Harbour is a fiasco

Harbour is a fiasco

Harbour is a fiasco

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So it has happened, Condor is pulling out of Weymouth for the third time in its short history.

It was interesting to read that the MD just left the door ajar, in regard to Weymouth, for the long-term future of ferry services. Of course many locals would like to slam that door in Condor’s face but that would be unwise in business terms. The loss of Condor is a massive blow.

I would also blame successive local councils and their role in mis-managing the harbour assets over many decades.

Weymouth is the optimum route to the Channel Islands and the Cherbourg peninsular, yet councils have been unwilling or unable to attract ferry activities to the harbour, not to mention keep them, over a very long period.

I read with interest in the Echo that there is a ‘grand master plan’ for the town development including the harbour area, BUT it failed to mention that there is no money to carry out any scheme.

Perhaps the time has come to put the harbour into private hands, after all both Poole and Portland Port appear to be doing quite well from it.

It is a telling indictment against successive councils that we have landed in this sad situation.

We, the taxpayer now have to pay off the £4m spent on the harbour last year, which was essential to keep any ferry running, then find another £10m if we have any hope, however slim, of Condor returning, and yet councillors are trying to explain the Condor departure by saying they are optimistic that something will turn up and it will be an opportunity to develop for the future.

We live in a competitive world, and the present council set-up appears out of its depth when it comes to managing the town’s assets.

Weymouth is a lovely place to live, with a stunning beach and harbour, but it has to be managed if it is to survive let alone thrive in the future.

Was it ever put to Condor that they could raise the money for the new berth and then have free or greatly reduced harbour fees until they had been paid back their investment with interest?

I estimate that over recent decades, with the transfer of almost every MOD facility, plus many other agencies and companies, the jobs lost to the Weymouth and Portland area is in access of 5,000.

Now it is true that not all these moves could be put down to the local council, many were central government inspired, but successive local councils have presided over this catastrophic situation and they simply have to do better for the sake of the future of Weymouth and Portland.

DAVID PEACH, Coronation Road, Weymouth

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1:17pm Thu 28 Aug 14

shy talk says...

Agree totally. Successive inept councillors have been putting the harbour fees into the council’s central fund. And now they have decided to ring fence harbour fees, good decision but to late. It seems the council set low standards and fails to achieve them and do not seem to work well, when cornered.
Agree totally. Successive inept councillors have been putting the harbour fees into the council’s central fund. And now they have decided to ring fence harbour fees, good decision but to late. It seems the council set low standards and fails to achieve them and do not seem to work well, when cornered. shy talk
  • Score: 7

1:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

portland rebel says...

every thing this council goes near turns to sh*t.
every thing this council goes near turns to sh*t. portland rebel
  • Score: 15

11:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

melcombe boy says...

Of course Condor and Poole are blameless?
Of course Condor and Poole are blameless? melcombe boy
  • Score: 2

7:24am Fri 29 Aug 14

timgriffiths1962@gmail.com says...

What I have been saying for the past eight years????
What I have been saying for the past eight years???? timgriffiths1962@gmail.com
  • Score: -14

9:04am Fri 29 Aug 14

Rocksalt says...

Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts?

If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views.
Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts? If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views. Rocksalt
  • Score: 23

9:09am Fri 29 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Rocksalt wrote:
Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts?

If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views.
Why not ask your local rep these questions in an open letter.?
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts? If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views.[/p][/quote]Why not ask your local rep these questions in an open letter.? cosmick
  • Score: 5

9:19am Fri 29 Aug 14

JamesYoung says...

Rocksalt wrote:
Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts?

If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views.
Oh come, come, don't let facts get in the way of a good opinion :-).
As we saw with the Olympics, statistics are very easy to manipulate. Even though evidence from prior Olympics showed that "remote city" events attracted few spectators, the myth was perpetuated that Weymouth would be overrun with visitors. When that didn't happen, the statistics were still not questioned: instead, the naysayers (or truth speakers!) were blamed for putting people off.
What people don't appreciate is that these statistics, particularly when it comes to the items you refer to above, are not hard truths. So the council employees somebody to estimate the value of Condor to Weymouth. That person stands near the ferry terminal and asks passers by how long they've spent, how much they've spent, etc. The interviewees are keen to contribute and exaggerate their numbers. Then the interviewer strolls into a sea front hotel. The owner, who does benefit from overnight Condor passengers, exaggerates that benefit because he wants the council to take action to protect his business. The interviewer then multiplies that response by the number of hotels in the borough and comes out with a number that probably exceeds the number of passengers that Condor carries in a given season, but nobody cares, because the number seems to support what everybody already believes to be true.
I am fairly sure i could spend this afternoon in town and prove that a Space Port would be well used by the residents of Westham. Sure, they've always been interested in space tourism, sure, they'd be happy to pay £10000 for a trip. However, I can pretty much guarantee it would be a commercial flop....but only after the council had spent several hundreds of millions on building it.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts? If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views.[/p][/quote]Oh come, come, don't let facts get in the way of a good opinion :-). As we saw with the Olympics, statistics are very easy to manipulate. Even though evidence from prior Olympics showed that "remote city" events attracted few spectators, the myth was perpetuated that Weymouth would be overrun with visitors. When that didn't happen, the statistics were still not questioned: instead, the naysayers (or truth speakers!) were blamed for putting people off. What people don't appreciate is that these statistics, particularly when it comes to the items you refer to above, are not hard truths. So the council employees somebody to estimate the value of Condor to Weymouth. That person stands near the ferry terminal and asks passers by how long they've spent, how much they've spent, etc. The interviewees are keen to contribute and exaggerate their numbers. Then the interviewer strolls into a sea front hotel. The owner, who does benefit from overnight Condor passengers, exaggerates that benefit because he wants the council to take action to protect his business. The interviewer then multiplies that response by the number of hotels in the borough and comes out with a number that probably exceeds the number of passengers that Condor carries in a given season, but nobody cares, because the number seems to support what everybody already believes to be true. I am fairly sure i could spend this afternoon in town and prove that a Space Port would be well used by the residents of Westham. Sure, they've always been interested in space tourism, sure, they'd be happy to pay £10000 for a trip. However, I can pretty much guarantee it would be a commercial flop....but only after the council had spent several hundreds of millions on building it. JamesYoung
  • Score: 8

9:37am Fri 29 Aug 14

JamesYoung says...

cosmick wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts?

If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views.
Why not ask your local rep these questions in an open letter.?
Excellent idea. FOI Request submitted.

https://www.whatdoth
eyknow.com/request/v
alue_of_condor_to_th
e_weymouth/new
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: Another claim that it is a 'massive blow' to the economy. But I still haven't seen any credible figures. Where are the hard numbers ? How many people who live in the Borough were employed by Condor ? How much did they earn ? How many passengers stayed in Weymouth overnight ? How much did they spend per head during their stay ? How many local suppliers did Condor use ? What was the value of the contracts? If people can't or won't answer these questions then I don't see why they others should listen to their views.[/p][/quote]Why not ask your local rep these questions in an open letter.?[/p][/quote]Excellent idea. FOI Request submitted. https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/v alue_of_condor_to_th e_weymouth/new JamesYoung
  • Score: 8

4:54pm Fri 29 Aug 14

WykeReg says...

Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy?

In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth?

Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.
Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy? In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth? Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores. WykeReg
  • Score: 7

7:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

JamesYoung says...

WykeReg wrote:
Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy?

In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth?

Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.
Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.
[quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy? In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth? Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.[/p][/quote]Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth. JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

7:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

Oh get over it, it's one flipping ferry sailing a day. What has happened to people's sense of proportion for heaven's sake.
Oh get over it, it's one flipping ferry sailing a day. What has happened to people's sense of proportion for heaven's sake. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 18

7:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

* waits for Thomas Fairfax to post his blog again.*
* waits for Thomas Fairfax to post his blog again.* arlbergbahn
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Fri 29 Aug 14

I'mavoter says...

What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin.
Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth
Condor would not sign a long term contract.
We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go.
The council are busy and actively looking at options.
How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area .
There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.
What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin. Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth Condor would not sign a long term contract. We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go. The council are busy and actively looking at options. How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area . There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives. I'mavoter
  • Score: 19

10:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

JamesYoung says...

I'mavoter wrote:
What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin.
Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth
Condor would not sign a long term contract.
We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go.
The council are busy and actively looking at options.
How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area .
There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.
Spot on. I think the benefits to the local economy are overstated and chances are that within 5 years Condor would be wanting an even bigger ferry....and the council to fund an even bigger berth.
[quote][p][bold]I'mavoter[/bold] wrote: What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin. Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth Condor would not sign a long term contract. We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go. The council are busy and actively looking at options. How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area . There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think the benefits to the local economy are overstated and chances are that within 5 years Condor would be wanting an even bigger ferry....and the council to fund an even bigger berth. JamesYoung
  • Score: 13

10:52pm Fri 29 Aug 14

JamesYoung says...

I'mavoter wrote:
What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin.
Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth
Condor would not sign a long term contract.
We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go.
The council are busy and actively looking at options.
How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area .
There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.
Your "ferry to the isle of wight" idea might not be a bad one....although maybe not to the isle of wight.
Busy bank holiday friday, traffic jams all the way down the A31....or take a left down the M27 and drive onto a high speed ferry to Weymouth for your holidays.
It would be very seasonal, but might be feasible i guess.
[quote][p][bold]I'mavoter[/bold] wrote: What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin. Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth Condor would not sign a long term contract. We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go. The council are busy and actively looking at options. How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area . There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.[/p][/quote]Your "ferry to the isle of wight" idea might not be a bad one....although maybe not to the isle of wight. Busy bank holiday friday, traffic jams all the way down the A31....or take a left down the M27 and drive onto a high speed ferry to Weymouth for your holidays. It would be very seasonal, but might be feasible i guess. JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

10:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

WykeReg says...

JamesYoung wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy?

In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth?

Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.
Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.
Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here?

There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well.

Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy? In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth? Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.[/p][/quote]Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here? There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well. Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it. WykeReg
  • Score: 6

5:16pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I'mavoter wrote:
What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin.
Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth
Condor would not sign a long term contract.
We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go.
The council are busy and actively looking at options.
How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area .
There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.
Spot on. I think the benefits to the local economy are overstated and chances are that within 5 years Condor would be wanting an even bigger ferry....and the council to fund an even bigger berth.
That`s not quite right James. The rebuilding of berth 1, and its location at the entry of the harbour, would have allowed the ferry terminal to accommodate even bigger ships that the one that Condor have just bought - 10 million pounds may be a lot of money, but it would have "future proofed" the facility for decades.

However, we are where we are at the end of the day.

i am more optimistic than previously on Weymouth attracting a new operator though - contacts close to a number of UK transport giants (none currently involved in ferry operation) report that they are watching the situation here with great interest. Weymouth has many assets in that the offers the shortest sea crossing and is a permanent deep water facility offering instant access to the sea.

It would have to make commercial sense for them to consider making a move, and they would need to appease the Channel Islands authorities, but I do now have my fingers crossed.

Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'mavoter[/bold] wrote: What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin. Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth Condor would not sign a long term contract. We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go. The council are busy and actively looking at options. How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area . There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think the benefits to the local economy are overstated and chances are that within 5 years Condor would be wanting an even bigger ferry....and the council to fund an even bigger berth.[/p][/quote]That`s not quite right James. The rebuilding of berth 1, and its location at the entry of the harbour, would have allowed the ferry terminal to accommodate even bigger ships that the one that Condor have just bought - 10 million pounds may be a lot of money, but it would have "future proofed" the facility for decades. However, we are where we are at the end of the day. i am more optimistic than previously on Weymouth attracting a new operator though - contacts close to a number of UK transport giants (none currently involved in ferry operation) report that they are watching the situation here with great interest. Weymouth has many assets in that the offers the shortest sea crossing and is a permanent deep water facility offering instant access to the sea. It would have to make commercial sense for them to consider making a move, and they would need to appease the Channel Islands authorities, but I do now have my fingers crossed. Simon N. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: -1

12:09pm Sun 31 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold?

I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.
I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold? I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent. FerryFan
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

FerryFan wrote:
I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold?

I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.
They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them.

I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first.

Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity?

Cheers
Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold? I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.[/p][/quote]They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them. I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first. Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity? Cheers Simon N. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: -4

4:23pm Sun 31 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

I asked on a shipping forum about it , but it turned i to a bit of a "i know something but am not going to tell you" sort of thing - but in all seriousness they have been considered past their shelf life so wondered if they were off to the beaches. Hoping Mr F might elaborate on this, but not sure if can/will.
I asked on a shipping forum about it , but it turned i to a bit of a "i know something but am not going to tell you" sort of thing - but in all seriousness they have been considered past their shelf life so wondered if they were off to the beaches. Hoping Mr F might elaborate on this, but not sure if can/will. FerryFan
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Sun 31 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold?

I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.
They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them.

I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first.

Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity?

Cheers
Simon N.
Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!!

Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold? I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.[/p][/quote]They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them. I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first. Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity? Cheers Simon N.[/p][/quote]Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!! Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy. FerryFan
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Sun 31 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

I'mavoter wrote:
What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin.
Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth
Condor would not sign a long term contract.
We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go.
The council are busy and actively looking at options.
How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area .
There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.
Trips along the Jurassic coast to Poole were originally proposed several years back, as I recall, but they were vetoed by the Council on the grounds that the tidal race off St. Aldhelm's Head might make people seasick. This is true. (The real reason was that the Council were lobbied by the local boatmen running trips round Portland harbour who were afraid that any new service might compete with them in some way. This is also true.)
[quote][p][bold]I'mavoter[/bold] wrote: What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin. Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth Condor would not sign a long term contract. We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go. The council are busy and actively looking at options. How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area . There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.[/p][/quote]Trips along the Jurassic coast to Poole were originally proposed several years back, as I recall, but they were vetoed by the Council on the grounds that the tidal race off St. Aldhelm's Head might make people seasick. This is true. (The real reason was that the Council were lobbied by the local boatmen running trips round Portland harbour who were afraid that any new service might compete with them in some way. This is also true.) arlbergbahn
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I'mavoter wrote:
What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin.
Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth
Condor would not sign a long term contract.
We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go.
The council are busy and actively looking at options.
How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area .
There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.
Spot on. I think the benefits to the local economy are overstated and chances are that within 5 years Condor would be wanting an even bigger ferry....and the council to fund an even bigger berth.
That`s not quite right James. The rebuilding of berth 1, and its location at the entry of the harbour, would have allowed the ferry terminal to accommodate even bigger ships that the one that Condor have just bought - 10 million pounds may be a lot of money, but it would have "future proofed" the facility for decades.

However, we are where we are at the end of the day.

i am more optimistic than previously on Weymouth attracting a new operator though - contacts close to a number of UK transport giants (none currently involved in ferry operation) report that they are watching the situation here with great interest. Weymouth has many assets in that the offers the shortest sea crossing and is a permanent deep water facility offering instant access to the sea.

It would have to make commercial sense for them to consider making a move, and they would need to appease the Channel Islands authorities, but I do now have my fingers crossed.

Simon N.
Don't tell me First are thinking of going into ferry operation? Perhaps they're hoping for something to fill the gap once they lose their rail franchises. :-/
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'mavoter[/bold] wrote: What David Peach failed to mention in his letter, and people are so quick to blame the council, let's take a moment to look at the other side of the coin. Condor would not contribute anything towards the cost of the new berth Condor would not sign a long term contract. We must not allow any company to use 'bully-boy'tactics, ever ! Which is exactly what Condor were doing, and we must let them go. The council are busy and actively looking at options. How about a ferry to the Isle Of Wight ? Or boat trips around the Jurassic coast ? Or redevelope the whole area . There was life in Weymouth before Condor, and there will be life in Weymouth after Condor, albeit a bit different. Come on folks, look for positives, not always the negatives.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think the benefits to the local economy are overstated and chances are that within 5 years Condor would be wanting an even bigger ferry....and the council to fund an even bigger berth.[/p][/quote]That`s not quite right James. The rebuilding of berth 1, and its location at the entry of the harbour, would have allowed the ferry terminal to accommodate even bigger ships that the one that Condor have just bought - 10 million pounds may be a lot of money, but it would have "future proofed" the facility for decades. However, we are where we are at the end of the day. i am more optimistic than previously on Weymouth attracting a new operator though - contacts close to a number of UK transport giants (none currently involved in ferry operation) report that they are watching the situation here with great interest. Weymouth has many assets in that the offers the shortest sea crossing and is a permanent deep water facility offering instant access to the sea. It would have to make commercial sense for them to consider making a move, and they would need to appease the Channel Islands authorities, but I do now have my fingers crossed. Simon N.[/p][/quote]Don't tell me First are thinking of going into ferry operation? Perhaps they're hoping for something to fill the gap once they lose their rail franchises. :-/ arlbergbahn
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Sun 31 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

FerryFan wrote:
I asked on a shipping forum about it , but it turned i to a bit of a "i know something but am not going to tell you" sort of thing - but in all seriousness they have been considered past their shelf life so wondered if they were off to the beaches. Hoping Mr F might elaborate on this, but not sure if can/will.
there still seems to be a market for second hand high speed craft; Condor 10 is now is South korea, I believe, and some Mediterranean operators may well be interested, like they always used to make a ready market for old Sealink ships.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: I asked on a shipping forum about it , but it turned i to a bit of a "i know something but am not going to tell you" sort of thing - but in all seriousness they have been considered past their shelf life so wondered if they were off to the beaches. Hoping Mr F might elaborate on this, but not sure if can/will.[/p][/quote]there still seems to be a market for second hand high speed craft; Condor 10 is now is South korea, I believe, and some Mediterranean operators may well be interested, like they always used to make a ready market for old Sealink ships. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Sun 31 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

FerryFan wrote:
Simon Nicholas wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold?

I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.
They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them.

I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first.

Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity?

Cheers
Simon N.
Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!!

Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy.
yes it's me again, sorry, I know, isn't multiple posting tedious. I don't know if a vehicle ferry service would be viable (where would they get suitable vessels, suitable for open water crossings as well as being able to use the island slipways?), but a passenger service might be, with something the size of the Red Jets? They'd be much more flexible in terms of port facilities, they might even be able to use Swanage, Bournemouth and Yarmouth piers. That would make an interesting service, wouldn't it.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold? I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.[/p][/quote]They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them. I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first. Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity? Cheers Simon N.[/p][/quote]Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!! Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy.[/p][/quote]yes it's me again, sorry, I know, isn't multiple posting tedious. I don't know if a vehicle ferry service would be viable (where would they get suitable vessels, suitable for open water crossings as well as being able to use the island slipways?), but a passenger service might be, with something the size of the Red Jets? They'd be much more flexible in terms of port facilities, they might even be able to use Swanage, Bournemouth and Yarmouth piers. That would make an interesting service, wouldn't it. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 1

10:47am Mon 1 Sep 14

Preston North End says...

Until proper roads are built connecting Dorset East to West and North to South, business will continue to leach away. It's the issue that makes most other decisions ("Do A with the harbour" "No, do B") deckchair shuffling.
Until proper roads are built connecting Dorset East to West and North to South, business will continue to leach away. It's the issue that makes most other decisions ("Do A with the harbour" "No, do B") deckchair shuffling. Preston North End
  • Score: 3

11:19am Mon 1 Sep 14

melcombe boy says...

WykeReg wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy?

In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth?

Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.
Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.
Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here?

There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well.

Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.
Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge.
Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game.
At best we can hope for occasional visits.
[quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy? In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth? Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.[/p][/quote]Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here? There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well. Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.[/p][/quote]Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge. Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game. At best we can hope for occasional visits. melcombe boy
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Mon 1 Sep 14

FerryFan says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
Simon Nicholas wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold?

I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.
They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them.

I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first.

Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity?

Cheers
Simon N.
Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!!

Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy.
yes it's me again, sorry, I know, isn't multiple posting tedious. I don't know if a vehicle ferry service would be viable (where would they get suitable vessels, suitable for open water crossings as well as being able to use the island slipways?), but a passenger service might be, with something the size of the Red Jets? They'd be much more flexible in terms of port facilities, they might even be able to use Swanage, Bournemouth and Yarmouth piers. That would make an interesting service, wouldn't it.
It is a beautiful crossing on Waverley when I go across to the Wight on her - so looking forward to it, just so lovely to get on her at Bournemouth Pier and get off at Yarmouth, then return to Bournemouth!! Used to house sit in Totland and the house overlooked the Solent, used to love sitting in the garden with a glass of something in the summer watching the boats drift by. On Waverley just lovely to sit and watch both sides so even better from the sea!! Be so wonderful to be able to pop over to Yarmouth more regularly. Cowes easier at the moment, no train changes, but there is a free bus service to the port - or was, not sure if it is still free!!
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold? I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.[/p][/quote]They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them. I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first. Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity? Cheers Simon N.[/p][/quote]Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!! Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy.[/p][/quote]yes it's me again, sorry, I know, isn't multiple posting tedious. I don't know if a vehicle ferry service would be viable (where would they get suitable vessels, suitable for open water crossings as well as being able to use the island slipways?), but a passenger service might be, with something the size of the Red Jets? They'd be much more flexible in terms of port facilities, they might even be able to use Swanage, Bournemouth and Yarmouth piers. That would make an interesting service, wouldn't it.[/p][/quote]It is a beautiful crossing on Waverley when I go across to the Wight on her - so looking forward to it, just so lovely to get on her at Bournemouth Pier and get off at Yarmouth, then return to Bournemouth!! Used to house sit in Totland and the house overlooked the Solent, used to love sitting in the garden with a glass of something in the summer watching the boats drift by. On Waverley just lovely to sit and watch both sides so even better from the sea!! Be so wonderful to be able to pop over to Yarmouth more regularly. Cowes easier at the moment, no train changes, but there is a free bus service to the port - or was, not sure if it is still free!! FerryFan
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3:29pm Mon 1 Sep 14

FerryFan says...

Just tovadd myself to above post, Bournemouth Pier is so iffy when it comes to low water, Waverley often has to cancel landings. The only boats really suited to Bournemouth Pier were the Belles run by Dorset Cruises, due to their hull shape they were able to land in conditions others can't. Solent Scene is too big and the Jurassic Scene has gone elsewhere so there have been no boat trips from the Pier this summer which is a shame, hence why I am so looking forward to Waverley!! She fulfils more than just a nostalgic pleasure trip, she is getting me from A-B better than my normal options.

Weymouth - Swanage - Poole - Wight would be very welcome. Bournemouth, although the pier for me is five minutes away, it isn't worth running a regular service from there due to water levels.
Just tovadd myself to above post, Bournemouth Pier is so iffy when it comes to low water, Waverley often has to cancel landings. The only boats really suited to Bournemouth Pier were the Belles run by Dorset Cruises, due to their hull shape they were able to land in conditions others can't. Solent Scene is too big and the Jurassic Scene has gone elsewhere so there have been no boat trips from the Pier this summer which is a shame, hence why I am so looking forward to Waverley!! She fulfils more than just a nostalgic pleasure trip, she is getting me from A-B better than my normal options. Weymouth - Swanage - Poole - Wight would be very welcome. Bournemouth, although the pier for me is five minutes away, it isn't worth running a regular service from there due to water levels. FerryFan
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4:27pm Mon 1 Sep 14

WykeReg says...

melcombe boy wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy?

In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth?

Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.
Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.
Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here?

There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well.

Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.
Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge.
Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game.
At best we can hope for occasional visits.
The QE class carrier is 170 feet shorter than the Nimitz and only 22 feet narrower across the flight deck. If the US carrier couldn't enter Portsmouth then the QE is not much smaller and I would love to know how they will squeeze it in, turn it round and steer out again. Perhaps they are enlarging the little RN marina in Portsmouth - who knows?

The larger point of my comments is that folk in Weymouth are fixated on the ferry service. There are other uses for the Weymouth/Portland ports and it would be great if we had a community brainstorming session to come up with something more imaginative that would bring more skilled jobs into the town.
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy? In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth? Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.[/p][/quote]Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here? There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well. Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.[/p][/quote]Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge. Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game. At best we can hope for occasional visits.[/p][/quote]The QE class carrier is 170 feet shorter than the Nimitz and only 22 feet narrower across the flight deck. If the US carrier couldn't enter Portsmouth then the QE is not much smaller and I would love to know how they will squeeze it in, turn it round and steer out again. Perhaps they are enlarging the little RN marina in Portsmouth - who knows? The larger point of my comments is that folk in Weymouth are fixated on the ferry service. There are other uses for the Weymouth/Portland ports and it would be great if we had a community brainstorming session to come up with something more imaginative that would bring more skilled jobs into the town. WykeReg
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4:29pm Mon 1 Sep 14

WykeReg says...

melcombe boy wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy?

In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth?

Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.
Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.
Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here?

There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well.

Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.
Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge.
Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game.
At best we can hope for occasional visits.
The QE class carrier is 170 feet shorter than the Nimitz and only 22 feet narrower across the flight deck. If the US carrier couldn't enter Portsmouth then the QE is not much smaller and I would love to know how they will squeeze it in, turn it round and steer out again. Perhaps they are enlarging the little RN marina in Portsmouth - who knows?

The larger point of my comments is that folk in Weymouth are fixated on the ferry service. There are other uses for the Weymouth/Portland ports and it would be great if we had a community brainstorming session to come up with something more imaginative that would bring more skilled jobs into the town.
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy? In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth? Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.[/p][/quote]Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here? There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well. Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.[/p][/quote]Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge. Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game. At best we can hope for occasional visits.[/p][/quote]The QE class carrier is 170 feet shorter than the Nimitz and only 22 feet narrower across the flight deck. If the US carrier couldn't enter Portsmouth then the QE is not much smaller and I would love to know how they will squeeze it in, turn it round and steer out again. Perhaps they are enlarging the little RN marina in Portsmouth - who knows? The larger point of my comments is that folk in Weymouth are fixated on the ferry service. There are other uses for the Weymouth/Portland ports and it would be great if we had a community brainstorming session to come up with something more imaginative that would bring more skilled jobs into the town. WykeReg
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6:01pm Mon 1 Sep 14

FerryFan says...

I wouldn't say fixated - it has been a massive blow to Weymouth. Although I live in the Bournemouth/Poole area I grew up around Dorchester Weymouth and I used Weymouth ferries when I was a child so I know how important it is. Ferries are very part of the town, Condor or not, in my day it was Sealink's Maid of Kent. Cross channel ferries and Weymouth go together so it wouls be a shame to let this slip away.
I wouldn't say fixated - it has been a massive blow to Weymouth. Although I live in the Bournemouth/Poole area I grew up around Dorchester Weymouth and I used Weymouth ferries when I was a child so I know how important it is. Ferries are very part of the town, Condor or not, in my day it was Sealink's Maid of Kent. Cross channel ferries and Weymouth go together so it wouls be a shame to let this slip away. FerryFan
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11:10am Tue 2 Sep 14

Sicknfedup says...

The old, old question - where does the money come from to modernise the harbour - I know - do away with WPBC - let West Dorset take over - fortune saved - Simples!!
The old, old question - where does the money come from to modernise the harbour - I know - do away with WPBC - let West Dorset take over - fortune saved - Simples!! Sicknfedup
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2:04pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Bob Goulding says...

What puzzles me slightly is why anyone is surprised that the new vessel will operate out of Poole: in the first instance it was always going to. Even if funds could be found quickly it would still be at least two years before Berth 1 could be made available. The legal processes would take about a year, as would the construction works. I am sure Condor would move back at this point but, by then, their 10 year licence would have only 8 years to run leaving less time to recover the upgrade costs. I don’t for one minute think we have heard the last of this but it is about time W&PBC brought in some professional help to handle negotiations with Condor. Perhaps even as a first step to leasing Weymouth Harbour to a private operator.
What puzzles me slightly is why anyone is surprised that the new vessel will operate out of Poole: in the first instance it was always going to. Even if funds could be found quickly it would still be at least two years before Berth 1 could be made available. The legal processes would take about a year, as would the construction works. I am sure Condor would move back at this point but, by then, their 10 year licence would have only 8 years to run leaving less time to recover the upgrade costs. I don’t for one minute think we have heard the last of this but it is about time W&PBC brought in some professional help to handle negotiations with Condor. Perhaps even as a first step to leasing Weymouth Harbour to a private operator. Bob Goulding
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7:50pm Wed 3 Sep 14

arlbergbahn says...

FerryFan wrote:
arlbergbahn wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
Simon Nicholas wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold?

I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.
They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them.

I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first.

Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity?

Cheers
Simon N.
Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!!

Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy.
yes it's me again, sorry, I know, isn't multiple posting tedious. I don't know if a vehicle ferry service would be viable (where would they get suitable vessels, suitable for open water crossings as well as being able to use the island slipways?), but a passenger service might be, with something the size of the Red Jets? They'd be much more flexible in terms of port facilities, they might even be able to use Swanage, Bournemouth and Yarmouth piers. That would make an interesting service, wouldn't it.
It is a beautiful crossing on Waverley when I go across to the Wight on her - so looking forward to it, just so lovely to get on her at Bournemouth Pier and get off at Yarmouth, then return to Bournemouth!! Used to house sit in Totland and the house overlooked the Solent, used to love sitting in the garden with a glass of something in the summer watching the boats drift by. On Waverley just lovely to sit and watch both sides so even better from the sea!! Be so wonderful to be able to pop over to Yarmouth more regularly. Cowes easier at the moment, no train changes, but there is a free bus service to the port - or was, not sure if it is still free!!
From Southampton station? No, they charge for it now, albeit only £1, but it's now only half-hourly rather than every 15 mins.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: I am wondering what is going to happen to the present cats once the new ship is introduced, scrapped or sold? I like the idea of a service to the Isle of Wight myself, often suggested one from Bournemouth and Poole. Used to work on the island years ago and used the Lymington to Yarmouth route on the old C Class ferries. I do like the Wight, pity ot is such a pain to get to from here - Swanage slightly better!!! Will be taking Waverley to Yarmouth in a couple of weeks, she is lovely, but a ferry service between Weymouth or Poole/Wight would be excellent.[/p][/quote]They will not get scrapped FerryFan, they may no longer be up to Condor`s needs, but are still modern boats, with years left in them. I have thought about a Weymoutb - Isle of Wight link myself to be honest. It would be unknown territory for anyone willing to invest however, and a definite need would have to be identified first. Also, do any of the Isle of Wight ports actually have any spare capacity? Cheers Simon N.[/p][/quote]Adding to above - purely as was answering on the ipad in the middle of Bournemouth Air Festival, and was trying to find a quiet spot to type - well that and a nice bit of shade!!! Wight ports - considering Condor are part of the company that own Wightlink. Yarmouth has the one berth and that is constantly in use by the Lymington/Yarmouth ships, not sure about Fishbourne, think that is in constant use too - they are all pretty busy. Red Funnel have constant use of the Cowes route too. I like to think it is a great idea due to the fact of how difficult it is to get to the island, remember although I liked the ferry crossings through the beautiful Lymington river, the trains before hand did my head in!!! As said I did try and ask elsewhere, but it turned into a bit of silliness with no proper answer in the end - think people would be generally interested to know their future, they will find out eventually!!! Think the Wight ports are in continual use already though, both operators very busy.[/p][/quote]yes it's me again, sorry, I know, isn't multiple posting tedious. I don't know if a vehicle ferry service would be viable (where would they get suitable vessels, suitable for open water crossings as well as being able to use the island slipways?), but a passenger service might be, with something the size of the Red Jets? They'd be much more flexible in terms of port facilities, they might even be able to use Swanage, Bournemouth and Yarmouth piers. That would make an interesting service, wouldn't it.[/p][/quote]It is a beautiful crossing on Waverley when I go across to the Wight on her - so looking forward to it, just so lovely to get on her at Bournemouth Pier and get off at Yarmouth, then return to Bournemouth!! Used to house sit in Totland and the house overlooked the Solent, used to love sitting in the garden with a glass of something in the summer watching the boats drift by. On Waverley just lovely to sit and watch both sides so even better from the sea!! Be so wonderful to be able to pop over to Yarmouth more regularly. Cowes easier at the moment, no train changes, but there is a free bus service to the port - or was, not sure if it is still free!![/p][/quote]From Southampton station? No, they charge for it now, albeit only £1, but it's now only half-hourly rather than every 15 mins. arlbergbahn
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7:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

arlbergbahn says...

WykeReg wrote:
melcombe boy wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy?

In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth?

Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.
Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.
Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here?

There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well.

Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.
Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge.
Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game.
At best we can hope for occasional visits.
The QE class carrier is 170 feet shorter than the Nimitz and only 22 feet narrower across the flight deck. If the US carrier couldn't enter Portsmouth then the QE is not much smaller and I would love to know how they will squeeze it in, turn it round and steer out again. Perhaps they are enlarging the little RN marina in Portsmouth - who knows?

The larger point of my comments is that folk in Weymouth are fixated on the ferry service. There are other uses for the Weymouth/Portland ports and it would be great if we had a community brainstorming session to come up with something more imaginative that would bring more skilled jobs into the town.
They have been doing quite a lot of dredging at Portsmouth to accommodate them. (it's depth of water that's the issue, not the question of whether they could fit in the harbour.)
[quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: Weymouth and Portland, taken together, offer a range of port facilities that could extend beyond a fixation on ferries to the Channel Islands and France, important as they are. What else could be done to attract other users of the combined ports? Some cruise boats are coming and other types of vessels, but is anyone thinking more widely? How about the Royal Navy? In a year or so's time the new QE aircraft carrier will be entering service. This has to be homeported somewhere, probably in England. This ship is pretty big. Remember when the US Navy's carrier, George H.W. Bush , made a port call on its inaugural voyage a couple of years ago? It couldn't fit inside the RN base at Portsmouth so had to moor outside the harbor. The QE is somewhat smaller, but not so much. Why not build a base for it in Portland? Assuming the RN carrier is supported by other ships like the USN Carrier Strike Groups, you get maybe four ships coming in for the price of one. No doubt the MoD would put a deal of cash into this plan. Other ports may have a claim but are they any bigger than Portsmouth? Complete pie-in-the-sky thinking as I'm sure many will say. But so was heavier-than-air powered flight until those two bicycle mechanics made it happen. Imagination and dedication is all that's needed. And the government will pay for it all including maintenance facilities and stores.[/p][/quote]Sadly, what you are asking is for us to give up the jet age and return to bicycle powered flight. I'm not sure if you are local, but the Navy base was fairly large and to maintain security it would need to be large again. It would be a heavy investment, way beyond the cost of basing it in Portsmouth or Plymouth.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I didn't make the point clearly enough. As the QE is close to the size of the Nimitz-class carriers of the USN it, too, is likely to be too big to enter Portsmouth. I'm not familiar with Plymouth, but I'm guessing it may be a challenge to enter (and turn around) there as well. The ship has to be homeported somewhere and unless a large base already exists, one will have to be constructed at significant cost. The QE is not nuclear powered (like the Nimitz) but uses conventional gas turbine engines. More frequent port calls may have to be made for regular maintenance along with dry dock facilities for hull maintenance which probably don't exist since the Navy has never had a ship this large. Money will have to spent. Why not here? There is also the need for a nearby land base for the carrier air wing along with aircraft maintenance facilities. We can tick that box as well. Sometimes 'Back to the Future' is a viable option. If you can imagine it.[/p][/quote]Complete pie in the sky. The new carriers are to based in Portsmouth. That is a simple fact! It is also quite common knowledge. Do you honestly think that the Navy would build a ship and not have planned anywhere to berth it? Especially this late in the game. At best we can hope for occasional visits.[/p][/quote]The QE class carrier is 170 feet shorter than the Nimitz and only 22 feet narrower across the flight deck. If the US carrier couldn't enter Portsmouth then the QE is not much smaller and I would love to know how they will squeeze it in, turn it round and steer out again. Perhaps they are enlarging the little RN marina in Portsmouth - who knows? The larger point of my comments is that folk in Weymouth are fixated on the ferry service. There are other uses for the Weymouth/Portland ports and it would be great if we had a community brainstorming session to come up with something more imaginative that would bring more skilled jobs into the town.[/p][/quote]They have been doing quite a lot of dredging at Portsmouth to accommodate them. (it's depth of water that's the issue, not the question of whether they could fit in the harbour.) arlbergbahn
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