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Pavilion site review goes before council
A REVIEW that says the Weymouth Pavilion redevelopment will not harm the surrounding sea system is to go before councillors next week.
Members of Weymouth and Portland Borough Council's management committee will discuss the independent review by specialists Royal Haskoning, which examines a previous study into beach impacts such as sediment transportation and wave changes.
Councillor Howard Legg, spokesman for corporate affairs and special projects, said the review concluded there was nothing to hold development back.
He said: "The proposed distribution of sand from the development onto Weymouth beach will help protect the Esplanade from wave damage, especially in the future as sea levels rise due to climate change.
"It will also provide a wider beach for everyone to enjoy."
Councillors will be advised at next week's meeting that possible changes in sea level, wave direction or storminess as a result of global warming have all been accounted for.
Coun Legg added: "It is encouraging that the study and review show no detrimental effects to the harbour or beach."
Councillors are being advised to ask for the following documents as a condition of their agreement:
n Engineering drawings to show construction details and public safety equipment for marina
n A recalculated model to show the effect of a vertical wave screen instead of the rock armoured breakwater orignally proposed
n A detailed plan to show how sand will be placed to widen the beach
n A post-construction beach monitoring and management plan, including any changes to the beach or harbour
n A drawing showing berthing arrangements at marina
The review concludes the marina's impact on tidal flows will be small and pollutant release no worse than the same release within the existing harbour'.
Approval next week would mean developer Howard Holdings could proceed to the next stage of the planning application.
12:07pm Tuesday 28th August 2007
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CommentPosted by: Paul, Weymouth on 12:20pm Tue 28 Aug 07
[bold]Doesnt it make you laugh all these so called experts come in and give their opinions that no ham will be done.
What happened when they built and extended the Pavilion car park? The beach started moving.
Reckon the same will happen again and we will loose more of our loverly beach.
WELL DONE THE LOCAL NUMPTY COUNCIL.[/bold]
Doesnt it make you laugh all these so called experts come in and give their opinions that no ham will be done.
What happened when they built and extended the Pavilion car park? The beach started moving.
Reckon the same will happen again and we will loose more of our loverly beach.
WELL DONE THE LOCAL NUMPTY COUNCIL. Posted by: Oliver, Weymouth on 1:03pm Tue 28 Aug 07
[quote]Reckon the same will happen again and we will loose more of our loverly beach.[/quote]
These 'so called experts' are independent companies who have no benefit to gain by saying that no harm will be done. I suppose we should stop the Pavilion redevelopment because someone 'reckons will will lose more of our beach'. I suppose we can ignore two independent hydrological surveys that say otherwise because one person who [italic]obviously has an extensive team of experts at his disposal[/italic] has passed comment? By the way, the construction of the Pavilion car park didn't make us lose any of our beach - it in fact widened it - a process which has been going on for 140 years, before the Pavilion peninsula was even there. 'Well done the numpty council' indeed - they weren't involved in the independent reviews. Personally, I'd be much more inclined to trust a laboratory with 60 years of experience in hydraulics and an independent reviewer than some local who can't get their facts straight and has no background in hydraulics.
Reckon the same will happen again and we will loose more of our loverly beach.
These 'so called experts' are independent companies who have no benefit to gain by saying that no harm will be done. I suppose we should stop the Pavilion redevelopment because someone 'reckons will will lose more of our beach'. I suppose we can ignore two independent hydrological surveys that say otherwise because one person who
obviously has an extensive team of experts at his disposal has passed comment? By the way, the construction of the Pavilion car park didn't make us lose any of our beach - it in fact widened it - a process which has been going on for 140 years, before the Pavilion peninsula was even there. 'Well done the numpty council' indeed - they weren't involved in the independent reviews. Personally, I'd be much more inclined to trust a laboratory with 60 years of experience in hydraulics and an independent reviewer than some local who can't get their facts straight and has no background in hydraulics.
Posted by: beach bum, Weymouth on 4:09pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Its all well and good for the inital report, and subsequent review, saying that yes, the beach in the area of teh Pier Bandstand will experience erosion but that this can be dealt with by recycling material from where it will accumulate by the Pavilion, but if you actually read the reports they do not say how well the models used were calibrated, nor seem to give 'confidence' values.
You have to bear in mind that sediment transport in Weymouth Bay as a whole is porrly understood - just look at Preston Beach - the groyne at Greenhill was meant to stop material moving south, but since it was built, the material has gone in the opposite direction to that which was 'predicted'!!!!
I moved back here after several years away party because of the beach and views. If the council do go with this marina then they best be certain that what they are beig told has a very high confidence level atached to it. I wouldn't want to be the councillors who destroyed the beach!!!!
As an aside. Do we need a marina here at all? the harbour fills up a few times a year when I can see the benefits of it, but to have 150 permanent new berths that would seem likely to be little used seems a waste. Given how much it would cost to build and run, is it really worth it????????
Its all well and good for the inital report, and subsequent review, saying that yes, the beach in the area of teh Pier Bandstand will experience erosion but that this can be dealt with by recycling material from where it will accumulate by the Pavilion, but if you actually read the reports they do not say how well the models used were calibrated, nor seem to give 'confidence' values.
You have to bear in mind that sediment transport in Weymouth Bay as a whole is porrly understood - just look at Preston Beach - the groyne at Greenhill was meant to stop material moving south, but since it was built, the material has gone in the opposite direction to that which was 'predicted'!!!!
I moved back here after several years away party because of the beach and views. If the council do go with this marina then they best be certain that what they are beig told has a very high confidence level atached to it. I wouldn't want to be the councillors who destroyed the beach!!!!
As an aside. Do we need a marina here at all? the harbour fills up a few times a year when I can see the benefits of it, but to have 150 permanent new berths that would seem likely to be little used seems a waste. Given how much it would cost to build and run, is it really worth it????????
Posted by: ANDY, Weymouth on 4:18pm Tue 28 Aug 07
No we dont need another marina.
They will put one over by Osprey Quay.
Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well.
Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them.
Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
No we dont need another marina.
They will put one over by Osprey Quay.
Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well.
Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them.
Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
Posted by: Mike, Weymouth on 4:32pm Tue 28 Aug 07
I always understood that the building of the Pavilion car park etc had affected Weymouth beach. Perhaps Geoffrey Poole will comment. His work exposed the problem with beach at Greenhill and his valuable and learned opinion would be respected.
I always understood that the building of the Pavilion car park etc had affected Weymouth beach. Perhaps Geoffrey Poole will comment. His work exposed the problem with beach at Greenhill and his valuable and learned opinion would be respected.
Posted by: Oliver, Weymouth on 4:51pm Tue 28 Aug 07
No, Weymouth does not [italic]need[/italic] another marina, but if one isn't built there than some other form of sea defence would need to be built, which would look ugly and not fit in with the planned aesthetics of the site. A marina has the advantages of looking good, providing protection, being used for walking and providing more revenue to the site. I'd rather have a marina than a sea defence any day.
The council will be certain that what they are being told has a high level of confidence, that is why they are to discuss the study and the independent review, to ensure that everyone who knows about the hydrological regime of the bay is confident in their predictions.
The Groyne was meant to stop material moving south - but only the sediment to the north that was shipped in from the Isle of Wight in 1994. And that is exactly what it has done.
No, Weymouth does not
need another marina, but if one isn't built there than some other form of sea defence would need to be built, which would look ugly and not fit in with the planned aesthetics of the site. A marina has the advantages of looking good, providing protection, being used for walking and providing more revenue to the site. I'd rather have a marina than a sea defence any day.
The council will be certain that what they are being told has a high level of confidence, that is why they are to discuss the study and the independent review, to ensure that everyone who knows about the hydrological regime of the bay is confident in their predictions.
The Groyne was meant to stop material moving south - but only the sediment to the north that was shipped in from the Isle of Wight in 1994. And that is exactly what it has done.
Posted by: beach bum, Weymouth on 5:23pm Tue 28 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Oliver[/bold] wrote:
No, Weymouth does not [italic]need[/italic] another marina, but if one isn't built there than some other form of sea defence would need to be built, which would look ugly and not fit in with the planned aesthetics of the site. A marina has the advantages of looking good, providing protection, being used for walking and providing more revenue to the site. I'd rather have a marina than a sea defence any day. The council will be certain that what they are being told has a high level of confidence, that is why they are to discuss the study and the independent review, to ensure that everyone who knows about the hydrological regime of the bay is confident in their predictions. The Groyne was meant to stop material moving south - but only the sediment to the north that was shipped in from the Isle of Wight in 1994. And that is exactly what it has done.[/quote] Oliver
My point about the groyne was that it was meant to stop material moving south. However, it hasn't needed to since it was built as material has moved north to Bowleaze and has to be fetched back - completely against what was envisaged in 1994 which was based upon poor understanding of the processes in the bay!
Hence my concerns about the lack of new data used in the modelling done for this marina to improve this understanding!
Oliver wrote:
No, Weymouth does not need another marina, but if one isn't built there than some other form of sea defence would need to be built, which would look ugly and not fit in with the planned aesthetics of the site. A marina has the advantages of looking good, providing protection, being used for walking and providing more revenue to the site. I'd rather have a marina than a sea defence any day. The council will be certain that what they are being told has a high level of confidence, that is why they are to discuss the study and the independent review, to ensure that everyone who knows about the hydrological regime of the bay is confident in their predictions. The Groyne was meant to stop material moving south - but only the sediment to the north that was shipped in from the Isle of Wight in 1994. And that is exactly what it has done.
Oliver
My point about the groyne was that it was meant to stop material moving south. However, it hasn't needed to since it was built as material has moved north to Bowleaze and has to be fetched back - completely against what was envisaged in 1994 which was based upon poor understanding of the processes in the bay!
Hence my concerns about the lack of new data used in the modelling done for this marina to improve this understanding!
Posted by: oliver, Weymouth on 7:13pm Tue 28 Aug 07
I see. If the groyne wasn't there the new shingle would have moved south though. It has long been known that sediment regimes in Weymouth bay move north and south - I learned it in my Geography A level in 1989. However, the study taken out for the 1994 flood relief scheme was only there to determine whether shingle would be carried south onto Weymouth beach or not - they did not focus on what would happen north of the sea life centre. Despite the oversight in this previous study, understanding of sediment transport has still some a long way since 1994, not just in Weymouth bay but elsewhere too - hence I am still confident in the conclusions drawn by HR Wallingford - they have established a reputation for their accuracy in the scores of studies they have done since the 1940s. If they are wrong and we actually see reduced beach volumes - instead of a slight rise or an equilibrium reached - then using the dredged sand would counteract that.
I see. If the groyne wasn't there the new shingle would have moved south though. It has long been known that sediment regimes in Weymouth bay move north and south - I learned it in my Geography A level in 1989. However, the study taken out for the 1994 flood relief scheme was only there to determine whether shingle would be carried south onto Weymouth beach or not - they did not focus on what would happen north of the sea life centre. Despite the oversight in this previous study, understanding of sediment transport has still some a long way since 1994, not just in Weymouth bay but elsewhere too - hence I am still confident in the conclusions drawn by HR Wallingford - they have established a reputation for their accuracy in the scores of studies they have done since the 1940s. If they are wrong and we actually see reduced beach volumes - instead of a slight rise or an equilibrium reached - then using the dredged sand would counteract that.
Posted by: Mary Na, WEymouth on 8:27pm Tue 28 Aug 07
[quote][bold]ANDY[/bold] wrote:
No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway[/quote] Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.
ANDY wrote:
No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.
Posted by: Adi Nuff on 8:58pm Tue 28 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Mary Na[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ANDY[/bold] wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway[/quote] Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.[/quote] BRIGHTON---WHAT!!
This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton,
PLEASE engage brain.
Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton.
Please try harder, 0/10
Mary Na wrote:
ANDY wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.
BRIGHTON---WHAT!!
This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton,
PLEASE engage brain.
Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton.
Please try harder, 0/10
Posted by: Hilary, Rodwell on 9:38pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Has anyone noticed that according to the latest marina diagram (in the H R Wallingford report), not only has the marina changed its shape and angle in relation to the beach - jutting across the beach now rather than outward to sea as in the Howard Holdings Masterplan- but, horrors, the marina entrance now faces beachwards instead of seawards. Prevailing wave flows passing the marina entrance could thus carry pollution from it straight onto the Blue Flag Beach. Diesel,food, sewage could all end up there. The report claims that the polluting effect of the marina will be no worse than present pollution levels in the harbour, and that pollutants will be sufficiently diluted to be acceptable. Have you ever tried swimming in the harbour? Don't even think about it unless you enjoy being covered with oil and worse. Goodbye Blue Flag, hello Black Flag. Councillors, please read between the lines in these so-called research reports, don't just skim them. The quality of Weymouth's beach is too important to be left to "predictive modelling" which has proved wrong in the past.
And anyway, didn't Councillors themselves vote against a big marina a few months ago? How come it's being treated as a definite feature again? Truth is, Howard Holdings needs it to protect their investment on the pier from the weather; Councillors should be more concerned with its effects on Weymouth's beach.
Has anyone noticed that according to the latest marina diagram (in the H R Wallingford report), not only has the marina changed its shape and angle in relation to the beach - jutting across the beach now rather than outward to sea as in the Howard Holdings Masterplan- but, horrors, the marina entrance now faces beachwards instead of seawards. Prevailing wave flows passing the marina entrance could thus carry pollution from it straight onto the Blue Flag Beach. Diesel,food, sewage could all end up there. The report claims that the polluting effect of the marina will be no worse than present pollution levels in the harbour, and that pollutants will be sufficiently diluted to be acceptable. Have you ever tried swimming in the harbour? Don't even think about it unless you enjoy being covered with oil and worse. Goodbye Blue Flag, hello Black Flag. Councillors, please read between the lines in these so-called research reports, don't just skim them. The quality of Weymouth's beach is too important to be left to "predictive modelling" which has proved wrong in the past.
And anyway, didn't Councillors themselves vote against a big marina a few months ago? How come it's being treated as a definite feature again? Truth is, Howard Holdings needs it to protect their investment on the pier from the weather; Councillors should be more concerned with its effects on Weymouth's beach.
Posted by: Angie, Weymouth on 11:33pm Tue 28 Aug 07
Posted by: Adi Nuff on 8:58pm today
[quote][bold]Mary Na[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]ANDY[/bold] wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway[/quote] Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.[/quote] BRIGHTON---WHAT!! This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton, PLEASE engage brain. Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton. Please try harder, 0/10
Mary Na wrote:
ANDY wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.
BRIGHTON---WHAT!!
This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton,
PLEASE engage brain.
Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton.
Please try harder, 0/10
At last someone agrees with me that Weymouth is in fact Weymouth: not Brighton, London, Exeter or Bournemouth. SO, Weymouth & Portland, WHY KEEP COMPARING US WITH OTHER TOWNS AND CITIES in a bid to prove everywhere else is doing such a good job we should copy them! This council uses comparisons like mathematicians use statistics: to show whatever they want to, often to the detriment of a lovely resort.
Posted by: Adi Nuff on 8:58pm today
Mary Na wrote: ANDY wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.
BRIGHTON---WHAT!! This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton, PLEASE engage brain. Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton. Please try harder, 0/10
Mary Na wrote:
ANDY wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.
BRIGHTON---WHAT!!
This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton,
PLEASE engage brain.
Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton.
Please try harder, 0/10
At last someone agrees with me that Weymouth is in fact Weymouth: not Brighton, London, Exeter or Bournemouth. SO, Weymouth & Portland, WHY KEEP COMPARING US WITH OTHER TOWNS AND CITIES in a bid to prove everywhere else is doing such a good job we should copy them! This council uses comparisons like mathematicians use statistics: to show whatever they want to, often to the detriment of a lovely resort.
Posted by: Adi Nuff on 9:06am Wed 29 Aug 07
Angie, glad some one is listening.
My theory is that other people, non Dorset, are making decisions on their past job experience.This is why all high streets are starting to look identical,why housing estates are the most boring confection out, why Poundbury is a mishmash of the oddest trans- euro mix of skylines ever, and why our carefully constructed heritage is in the hands of utter idiots.
The plan for the sea front looks like a commonwealth ski jump!
The residents of Weymouth, many of whom are recent arrivals, do not give a tinkers cuss about anything in the area, disenfranchised is the word. People seem to take for granted that those who seem to be qualified to draw new faces for W+P, actually know nothing more than you or I do.
Angie, glad some one is listening.
My theory is that other people, non Dorset, are making decisions on their past job experience.This is why all high streets are starting to look identical,why housing estates are the most boring confection out, why Poundbury is a mishmash of the oddest trans- euro mix of skylines ever, and why our carefully constructed heritage is in the hands of utter idiots.
The plan for the sea front looks like a commonwealth ski jump!
The residents of Weymouth, many of whom are recent arrivals, do not give a tinkers cuss about anything in the area, disenfranchised is the word. People seem to take for granted that those who seem to be qualified to draw new faces for W+P, actually know nothing more than you or I do.
Posted by: Mary Na on 1:16pm Wed 29 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Adi Nuff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Mary Na[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]ANDY[/bold] wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway[/quote] Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.[/quote] BRIGHTON---WHAT!! This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton, PLEASE engage brain. Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton. Please try harder, 0/10[/quote] Been to Brighton recently have we? I would suggest you have not.
Let's let Weymouth rot eh?
Modernisation? Bah humbug!
Let's stick to the bucket and spade and the tackiness - for which we are well renowned for eh?
Adi Nuff wrote:
Mary Na wrote: ANDY wrote: No we dont need another marina. They will put one over by Osprey Quay. Also if Bincleaves gets developed there will be one there as well. Can only think that in order to sell these monsterous flats they want to build and sell them to rich outsiders that will need a parking space for their boats. Locals will not be able to afford them. Whats more there are too many yahties anyway
Wrong! No plans for a Marina at Bincleaves. And yes 'we' do need a marina - you only have to look at the one in Brighton to appreciate what benefits it brings.
BRIGHTON---WHAT!! This is Dorset , not Sussex,especially not messy mucky Brighton, PLEASE engage brain. Thank goodness we are not looking at the one in Brighton. Please try harder, 0/10
Been to Brighton recently have we? I would suggest you have not.
Let's let Weymouth rot eh?
Modernisation? Bah humbug!
Let's stick to the bucket and spade and the tackiness - for which we are well renowned for eh?
Posted by: Adi Nuff on 5:40pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Mary Na
Please pay attention.
To repeat myself,who wants W'mouth looking like Brighton, Bournmouth knocked the bucket and spade brigade as you call them, and look where that got them.
There is an expanse of beautiful sand fit for buckets and spades, paddling ,beach volley ball , you name it in Weymouth. Brighton does not have a lovely sandy beach right? Brighton to my mind is the personification of what thank goodness Weymouth isn't.
If you are not satisfied with Weymouth, there are coaches, trains, and boats to cart you off to which ever direction want ,just clear off.
0/20. Expelled!!
Mary Na
Please pay attention.
To repeat myself,who wants W'mouth looking like Brighton, Bournmouth knocked the bucket and spade brigade as you call them, and look where that got them.
There is an expanse of beautiful sand fit for buckets and spades, paddling ,beach volley ball , you name it in Weymouth. Brighton does not have a lovely sandy beach right? Brighton to my mind is the personification of what thank goodness Weymouth isn't.
If you are not satisfied with Weymouth, there are coaches, trains, and boats to cart you off to which ever direction want ,just clear off.
0/20. Expelled!!
Posted by: Mary Na on 8:32pm Wed 29 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Adi Nuff[/bold] wrote:
Mary Na Please pay attention. To repeat myself,who wants W'mouth looking like Brighton, Bournmouth knocked the bucket and spade brigade as you call them, and look where that got them. There is an expanse of beautiful sand fit for buckets and spades, paddling ,beach volley ball , you name it in Weymouth. Brighton does not have a lovely sandy beach right? Brighton to my mind is the personification of what thank goodness Weymouth isn't. If you are not satisfied with Weymouth, there are coaches, trains, and boats to cart you off to which ever direction want ,just clear off. 0/20. Expelled!![/quote] Brighton has just been voted the best place in the country in which to live - for a whole number of reasons; vibrancy, health, culture, diversity, arts, music scene, shopping, facilites, social scene, sports etc., etc.
We could actually learn a thing or two from that place.
But I can see what an ostrich you are! As you have that head of yours firmly entrenched within the sand!
Adi Nuff wrote:
Mary Na Please pay attention. To repeat myself,who wants W'mouth looking like Brighton, Bournmouth knocked the bucket and spade brigade as you call them, and look where that got them. There is an expanse of beautiful sand fit for buckets and spades, paddling ,beach volley ball , you name it in Weymouth. Brighton does not have a lovely sandy beach right? Brighton to my mind is the personification of what thank goodness Weymouth isn't. If you are not satisfied with Weymouth, there are coaches, trains, and boats to cart you off to which ever direction want ,just clear off. 0/20. Expelled!!
Brighton has just been voted the best place in the country in which to live - for a whole number of reasons; vibrancy, health, culture, diversity, arts, music scene, shopping, facilites, social scene, sports etc., etc.
We could actually learn a thing or two from that place.
But I can see what an ostrich you are! As you have that head of yours firmly entrenched within the sand!
Posted by: Andrew, Brighton / Dorchester on 12:43pm Thu 30 Aug 07
[quote][italic]Posted by Mary Na on 8:32pm Wed 29 Aug 07[/italic]
Brighton has just been voted the best place in the country in which to live - for a whole number of reasons; vibrancy, health, culture, diversity, arts, music scene, shopping, facilites, social scene, sports etc., etc.
We could actually learn a thing or two from that place.[/quote]
I suspect much of that is due to Brighton being a University Town (and I doubt that may students patronise the Marina).
Brighton and Hove's "success" is also due to its popularity as a retirement area for the wealthy (and perhaps for its famous 'Gay Scene" (see http://gay.brighton.
co.uk/)). That might not appeal to some of Weymouth's population, but there is no doubt that it is a sector of society that actively promotes the arts and crafts.
The town also takes care to preserve its heritage, something that is enhanced by limiting parking for (and thereby the use)of private motor cars. Out of Town park and ride systems are in use.
These are proper out of town facilities, not the ridiculous systems proposed by Dorset & weymouth councils, which involve getting a park and ride from within the town perimeters. (To achieve the same standard, Weymouth would have park and rides systems from Osmington to the East, and a shared park and ride to the North that would cater for both Dorchester and Weymouth.
he town council also has an excellent website - http://www.visitbrig
hton.com/default.asp
Posted by Mary Na on 8:32pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Brighton has just been voted the best place in the country in which to live - for a whole number of reasons; vibrancy, health, culture, diversity, arts, music scene, shopping, facilites, social scene, sports etc., etc.
We could actually learn a thing or two from that place.
I suspect much of that is due to Brighton being a University Town (and I doubt that may students patronise the Marina).
Brighton and Hove's "success" is also due to its popularity as a retirement area for the wealthy (and perhaps for its famous 'Gay Scene" (see http://gay.brighton.
co.uk/)). That might not appeal to some of Weymouth's population, but there is no doubt that it is a sector of society that actively promotes the arts and crafts.
The town also takes care to preserve its heritage, something that is enhanced by limiting parking for (and thereby the use)of private motor cars. Out of Town park and ride systems are in use.
These are proper out of town facilities, not the ridiculous systems proposed by Dorset & weymouth councils, which involve getting a park and ride from within the town perimeters. (To achieve the same standard, Weymouth would have park and rides systems from Osmington to the East, and a shared park and ride to the North that would cater for both Dorchester and Weymouth.
he town council also has an excellent website - http://www.visitbrig
hton.com/default.asp
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