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9:31am Friday 4th July 2008

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By Arron Hendy »

Police bid to curb 24-hour
boozing collapses

POLICE plans to end 24-hour drinking in Weymouth have been left in tatters after a licensee withdrew his support.

“I was told everyone will be signed-up to this but they haven’t. So I will not be closing at 4am. The financial loss would result in the loss of jobs and I’m not prepared to do it. If they’ve got a policing problem they should resolve and not start affecting people’s trades.”

Landlord Steve Parker

An agreement for the town's pubs and nightclubs to close at 4am was due to come into force from tonight.

But at the 11th hour Dorothy Inn landlord Steve Parker opted out of the scheme, throwing it into doubt.

Inspector Pete Meteau, Weymouth and Portland section commander, had hoped to confirm the start of the initiative at a meeting at the Rendezvous.

But Mr Parker told the audience of licensees, ambulance personnel and security teams he was withdrawing.

He had previously agreed - but changed his mind after learning Tuatara had not signed up and the Rum Shack had not been approached.

Mr Parker said: "I was told everyone will be signed-up to this but they haven't. So I will not be closing at 4am.

"The financial loss would result in the loss of jobs and I'm not prepared to do it. If they've got a policing problem they should resolve it and not start affecting people's trades."

Thirteen licence-holders in Weymouth had signed up, including Banus, Harry's, Dusk and the Lazy Lizard.

They agreed to close at 4am for a trial period after police reported a rise in violent crime in the town between 3am and 6am.

The plans were devised to prevent tourists enjoying morning walks from witnessing anti-social behaviour by people still out from the night before.

Insp Meteau, the driving force behind the scheme, had expected it to be brought in tonight.

He said: "I'm very, very disappointed as the Dorothy Inn was signed up like everyone else.

"We worked hard to get support from all the necessary licensees but as we were set to launch it seems that a minority could not sign up to the scheme.

"As it is a voluntary agreement, if one place is open later it puts everyone else at a disadvantage.

"All is not lost however - we have support from 99 per cent of the licensees in Weymouth town centre.

"They felt that by volunteering for this scheme they'd be helping to reduce alcohol-related disorder that is associated with night time drinking."

He added: "This was an unexpected and unforeseen hiccup.

"I am confident and very hopeful that this scheme will go ahead - we just have a little bit more work to do to make it happen.

"Take it from me, this isn't the end of the story."

Violent crime has fallen since 24-hour drinking was introduced in November 2005 - but it has risen by 44.5 per cent between 3am and 6am.

Weymouth and Portland alcohol licensing enforcement officer Mike McCabe was upset with the postponement of the voluntary scheme.

"I just think it's disappointing that one venue can take such a stance," he said. "It shows his lack of commitment to stopping alcohol-related crime and disorder."

Under the plans Weymouth nightspots would have stopped admitting at 3am in order to reduce the number of people moving between venues.

The Swan Inn manager Kim Newstead, who signed the agreement, said it should still go ahead.

She added: "The problem we have in Weymouth is from 3am onwards. We're lucky to have an inspector that wants to address it. This scheme is the right way to do it."


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Morse, Chickerell says...
9:49am Fri 4 Jul 08

What a petty, narrow minded, stance to adopt Mr. parker!

dorsetlad, Dorset says...
10:28am Fri 4 Jul 08

I say use the same system that is used in some American States, charge the pubs for policing. That will make landlords/nightclub owners think a little, would most definatley reduce incidence and allow the police to be more productive

WykeSon, Wykie says...
10:32am Fri 4 Jul 08

Well Done Mr Parker

I hate it when these "Bobbies" talk percentages. A 44.5% increase in crime between 3 and 6am when the Clubs used to "kick out" at 2am, means to me a tiny increase on when most people were cuddling their pillows.

Captain Sensible, Near Muff says...
10:58am Fri 4 Jul 08

Why does anyone need to drink at 0400 in the morning?, I would have thought 0200hrs was quite late enough, anyone drinking after that will surely be completely buttered anyway.

Morse, Chickerell says...
11:14am Fri 4 Jul 08

Captain Sensible wrote:
Why does anyone need to drink at 0400 in the morning?, I would have thought 0200hrs was quite late enough, anyone drinking after that will surely be completely buttered anyway.
That has no bearing on the matter Captain, just as long as they're still putting money in the till behind the bar.
That's all that matters to both licensees and breweries!

mindy, weymouth says...
6:53pm Fri 4 Jul 08

What pathetic excuses Mr Parker has come up with. Loss of finances v injury, violence and a bad name for the town. All of which incidently is probably the cause of his serving the alcohol and not a policing problem. Mr Parker is the cause - he is no role model.

The Spy, Here says...
1:47am Sat 5 Jul 08

Why does anyone need to drink at 0400 in the morning?

Just an observation. In the real world, where some people work shifts, myself included, 04.00 is an evening out. Not everyone is programmed into a 09.00 'til 05.00 routine. It is the shift workers that keep the days running, ie; most people expect fresh bread and milk in the morning, or even a (decent) paper to read.

overcombebeach, Weymouth says...
2:06am Sat 5 Jul 08

I consider that Mr Parker is an irresponsible landlord. His motives are pure greed. The Police Inspector and his team and other partners are doing their level best to make our town a better place for all of us. I think that Mr Parker’s licence should be reviewed – is he a fit person to hold a licence? He should be working with the police – not against them. He says “If they've got a policing problem they should resolve it and not start affecting people's trades." Well Mr Parker... you are the policing problem and I welcome any action that the police take to resolve it – you are affecting the level of the police available in the early hours as they are dealing with the problems that your establishment cause. It is a pity that the police are not able to bill you each time they are called to your premises for drunken and loutish behaviour. It is not fair on all the towns’ Council Tax payers – it is us that are subsidising your business!

Alan Barrington, Weymouth says...
7:42am Sat 5 Jul 08

I remember the last time they tried to "regulate" club entrance times. The latest you could get into a night club was 0030 - and that backfired big time and increased the problem of violence. If they regulate again what we'll see next year are the headlines "More violent crime between 0200 and 0400". Stop nannying us and let people get on with their lives.

If there are violent / abusive / drunk idiots out there, arrest them but not the ones out enjoying a few early morning pints.

Small minded Weymouth living in it's small world yet again (I've lived here 38 years and see it all the time).

Think I might go to the Dorothy for a pint now :)


steve parker, weymouth says...
9:26am Tue 8 Jul 08

Morse wrote:
What a petty, narrow minded, stance to adopt Mr. parker!
quote
would it be petty minded mr MORSE if it were you in my shoes with the pending thought of having to tell between 5-7 staff that they have no hours due to the closing times how would you fell ???

steve parker, weymouth says...
9:33am Tue 8 Jul 08

dorsetlad wrote:
I say use the same system that is used in some American States, charge the pubs for policing. That will make landlords/nightclub owners think a little, would most definatley reduce incidence and allow the police to be more productive
hello dorsetlad well i'm happy to say i agree with you on that and to bring it to your attension i had mentioned to the police about paying for an additional bobby to work lates on the weymouth esplanade and the cost to be split between other late venues on the weymouth sea front. one late venue other than the dorothy's had agreed to pay aswell. how ever the police officer that we spoke to rejected the idear (very sad)

steve parker, weymouth says...
9:44am Tue 8 Jul 08

mindy wrote:
What pathetic excuses Mr Parker has come up with. Loss of finances v injury, violence and a bad name for the town. All of which incidently is probably the cause of his serving the alcohol and not a policing problem. Mr Parker is the cause - he is no role model.
PATHETIC ??? how can it be pathetic to what to keep your staff's hours and job . VIOLENCE well if you take a look at my customer's you would see teahers/solicitors/d
octors/prison officer/ o and lets nots forget the OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS that use the venue , if my venue was such a place of violence would all use this venue .. PLEASE COME AND VEIW FOR YOUR SELF

Morse, Chickerell says...
9:01am Wed 9 Jul 08

steve parker wrote:
Morse wrote: What a petty, narrow minded, stance to adopt Mr. parker!
quote
would it be petty minded mr MORSE if it were you in my shoes with the pending thought of having to tell between 5-7 staff that they have no hours due to the closing times how would you fell ???
Regrettable, but part of life's pattern I'm afraid Mr. Parker.

mindy, weymouth says...
4:09pm Wed 9 Jul 08

steve parker wrote:
mindy wrote: What pathetic excuses Mr Parker has come up with. Loss of finances v injury, violence and a bad name for the town. All of which incidently is probably the cause of his serving the alcohol and not a policing problem. Mr Parker is the cause - he is no role model.
PATHETIC ??? how can it be pathetic to what to keep your staff's hours and job . VIOLENCE well if you take a look at my customer's you would see teahers/solicitors/d octors/prison officer/ o and lets nots forget the OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS that use the venue , if my venue was such a place of violence would all use this venue .. PLEASE COME AND VEIW FOR YOUR SELF
Teacher, doctors, solicitors and off duty police at 4am in your place - education, medical assistance and legal advice - sounds just what your place needs.

Weymouth Mouth., Weymouth says...
10:46am Thu 10 Jul 08

Thankyou Steve!!!

That is all.

goldie, weymouth says...
8:56pm Thu 10 Jul 08

All of you, who have complained about the attitude of Mr Parker, should get off your high horses & visit the venue before you pass judgement. Insp Pete Meteau mentions the violence on the seafront but you do realise there are a few venues on the said stripe of seafront. Surely you canÂ’t expect us to believe every piece of trouble is from one venue. I have been in the said venue at night true only to 3am, (not in a drunken state before there are comments about the late hour), during my time in there I have witnessed the doormen refuse entry to people they have decided as too drunk to served, so IÂ’m sorry I donÂ’t believe Mr Parker is money greedy if he was surely heÂ’d serve anyone. As for people saying tough on the loss of hours for the staff,

Posted by: Morse, Chickerell on 9:01am Wed 9 Jul 08
steve parker wrote:
Morse wrote: What a petty, narrow minded, stance to adopt Mr. parker!
quote
would it be petty minded mr MORSE if it were you in my shoes with the pending thought of having to tell between 5-7 staff that they have no hours due to the closing times how would you fell ???
Regrettable, but part of life's pattern I'm afraid Mr. Parker.

ThatÂ’s all very well but how would you like to the person told theyÂ’re hours have been cut or that they have lost the few extra hours they had. Bare in mind most of the bar staff are in second jobs as are most people nowadays due to rising living costs, those few extra pounds can mean a lot to the standard of living to those people.

More importantly who has the right to tell people what they can or cannot do with their free time, true there are some who go overboard with their drinking but most just want to go out and relaxed even if it means until the early hours. If you wanted a drink after work (finishing at say 5) no one says a word but if you work late shifts and fancy a pint youÂ’re suddenly a drunk or a troublemaker.

The one thing I donÂ’t understand is how one venue can stop a scheme when they say
Quote “"All is not lost however - we have support from 99 per cent of the licensees in Weymouth town centre.”
But before that they said “Thirteen licence-holders in Weymouth had signed up, including Banus, Harry's, Dusk and the Lazy Lizard.”
I might be wrong but surely 13 pubs = 13% but my maths could be wrong.

goldie, weymouth says...
8:41am Sat 12 Jul 08

One more point, most of those venues that have signed this partition do in fact close around the 4 am time line so it really have no impact on them or their trade. Another small point that has me wondering is why is it only the DorothyÂ’s that seem to be the main focus of this Inspector, is it more personal that they are letting on. Going back over all the articles to do with this, it seems to be more about the DorothyÂ’s & Mr Parker than anything else. It could be me but donÂ’t we have more than one venue with 24hr licence and what do they say about this. Is anyone asking them?

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STILL HOPEFUL: Coun Peter Farrell, left, Inspector Pete Meteau, right, and representatives of the street pastors, licensees and ambulance service Pictures: FINNBARR WEBSTER/F6857 DEFIANT: Dorothy Inn landlord Steve Parker

STILL HOPEFUL: Coun Peter Farrell, left, Inspector Pete Meteau, right, and representatives of the street pastors, licensees and ambulance service Pictures: FINNBARR WEBSTER/F6857

DEFIANT: Dorothy Inn landlord Steve Parker




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