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Pavilion plans go on display
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| MAKING THEIR POINTS: Investment director for Howard Holdings Geoff Sparrow, right, talking to Martin Hellier at the exhibition Pictures: Brian Jung/bj5785 |
HUNDREDS of residents have turned out to have their say on the Weymouth Pavilion redevelopment.
Plans for the multi-million pound scheme went on show in the town centre, attracting more than 300 people within the first three hours of the exhibition opening.
Visitors were asked to rate their level of support for the scheme on comment sheets and detail features they liked and disliked.
They were also asked to vote for a name and symbol for the development from a choice of Pavilion Wharf, King George Quay, Pier 50 and Royal Peninsula.
Exhibition visitors learned that the development would include an entertainment quarter featuring public space, shops and restaurants and that it would bring more than 300 jobs to the area.
A 140-bed four-star Hilton Hotel - the centrepiece of the scheme - would create 120 jobs.
An extra 30 jobs could be brought to the 290-berth marina, which would require separate planning permission from central government.
Developer Howard Holdings also unveiled a proposed amphitheatre for outdoor performances and a World Heritage Centre celebrating Weymouth's Jurassic Coast.
A 400-space car park would also be built below the podium deck.
More than 110 affordable homes would be made available for local people, while around 340 waterside apartments will be constructed. The development also promises a new-look Pavilion Theatre, a new ferry terminal, renewed and strengthened sea defences and a public pier extending into the bay.
Architects Barlow Henley pitch the scheme as a green development - with 20 per cent of the site's energy to be generated by wood fuel from Dorset woodlands.
The exhibition references a Bournemouth University study that predicted Weymouth could benefit by £11 million a year as a result of the development.
Geoff Sparrow, investment director of Howard Holdings, said: "The purpose of the exhibition is that people who want to object will object on the facts, not upon hearsay or misinformation.
"This development is going to create 400 jobs and 120 affordable homes."
Mr Sparrow said talks had been held with Weymouth and Portland Borough Council and Dorset County Council to develop traffic management plans for the scheme.
He added: "Unfortunately we have no say on the relief road.
"We've been working to come up with a solution and we'll be providing 800 parking spaces and only adding 300 or 400 cars to the town."
A formal planning application for the scheme will be submitted next month and councillors will vote on it in the autumn. At the same time a decision will be made about the marina.
Developers plan to finish building work by late 2011 in time for the 2012 Olympics.
Plans will remain on show at The Mulberry Centre in Commercial Road, Weymouth until Saturday and are available for viewing from 10am to 6pm.
10:51am Friday 18th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: genghis, portland on 11:41am Fri 18 Jul 08
Just seen a copy of the leaflet/brochure of the new development at work today. General feelings in the section I work in is extremely positive about it. Now let's get it built.
Just seen a copy of the leaflet/brochure of the new development at work today. General feelings in the section I work in is extremely positive about it. Now let's get it built.
Posted by: tiger, preston on 11:51am Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote]HUNDREDS of residents have turned out to have their say on the Weymouth Pavilion redevelopment.[/quote]
Presumably the comments will have fallen on deaf ears as usual.
[quote]Visitors were asked to rate their level of support for the scheme on comment sheets and detail features they liked and disliked.[/quote]
No public access to the harbour side of the marina, no facilities (toilets/seats/shelt
ers) shown on the public side of the marina.
[quote]They were also asked to vote for a name and symbol for the development from a choice of Pavilion Wharf, King George Quay, Pier 50 and Royal Peninsula.[/quote] 2012 is the 60th anniversary of HM Queeh Elizabeth ll, (the longest reigning monarch), why not a statue of HM in uniform on a horse as she used to be on trooping the colour? and perhaps a name comensurate with this milestone, Queen Elizabeth ll court.
Maybe Prince Charles could be persuaded to donate the Portland stone, and HM unveil it during the Olympics.
HUNDREDS of residents have turned out to have their say on the Weymouth Pavilion redevelopment.
Presumably the comments will have fallen on deaf ears as usual.
Visitors were asked to rate their level of support for the scheme on comment sheets and detail features they liked and disliked.
No public access to the harbour side of the marina, no facilities (toilets/seats/shelt
ers) shown on the public side of the marina.
They were also asked to vote for a name and symbol for the development from a choice of Pavilion Wharf, King George Quay, Pier 50 and Royal Peninsula.
2012 is the 60th anniversary of HM Queeh Elizabeth ll, (the longest reigning monarch), why not a statue of HM in uniform on a horse as she used to be on trooping the colour? and perhaps a name comensurate with this milestone, Queen Elizabeth ll court.
Maybe Prince Charles could be persuaded to donate the Portland stone, and HM unveil it during the Olympics.
Posted by: Ask Archie, Weymouth on 12:20pm Fri 18 Jul 08
They asked for public comments before and took no notice what so ever.HH and the council have this sown up it's not even worth the effort of commenting.We'll get what we are given and thats it.
They asked for public comments before and took no notice what so ever.HH and the council have this sown up it's not even worth the effort of commenting.We'll get what we are given and thats it.
Posted by: Dorset Beachcomber, Preston, Weymouth on 1:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08
All the stick-in-the-muds need to get real. The present site is tired and unattractive. Smaller resorts than Weymouth have far more updated public areas than us. Developers need to see a return in the form of flats and hotel to get the other areas we all want refurbished.
Let's stop moaning and get the site redeveloped. More delays mean higher costs. Weymouth's got to move on or it will die.
All the stick-in-the-muds need to get real. The present site is tired and unattractive. Smaller resorts than Weymouth have far more updated public areas than us. Developers need to see a return in the form of flats and hotel to get the other areas we all want refurbished.
Let's stop moaning and get the site redeveloped. More delays mean higher costs. Weymouth's got to move on or it will die.
Posted by: bluecat, Weymouth on 3:25pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I agree with Ask Archie. The council/Howard Holdings conglomerate has made up its mind and has ignored public opinion.
I agree with Ask Archie. The council/Howard Holdings conglomerate has made up its mind and has ignored public opinion.
Posted by: DingDonG, Wilds of Wiltshire on 6:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote]"We've been working to come up with a solution and we'll be providing 800 parking spaces and only adding 300 or 400 cars to the town."[/quote] Can't believe 300-400 cars..
140 bed hotel
110 affordable homes
340 waterside flats
290 berth marina
400 new jobs
Add that lot up, even if half don't have a car, it will be a fight for spaces BEFORE the rest of us arrive to enjoy the facilities!
"We've been working to come up with a solution and we'll be providing 800 parking spaces and only adding 300 or 400 cars to the town."
Can't believe 300-400 cars..
140 bed hotel
110 affordable homes
340 waterside flats
290 berth marina
400 new jobs
Add that lot up, even if half don't have a car, it will be a fight for spaces BEFORE the rest of us arrive to enjoy the facilities!
Posted by: Tom B., Weymouth/Brighton and Hove on 7:41pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I think that anyone who is against this plan needs their heads examining. Firstly Weymouth has become a dilapidated dump in areas such as the pavillion, which is pulling everything the town centres traders are trying to do to improve it downwards in an awful spiral of decline. At the moment the Pavillion is a drain on 'our' the tax payers money. I cannot believe making the site provide the town with money rather than draining it from it the economy is being apposed by a few backwards thinking people.
I agree that it needs to be built correctly, but with the worlds eyes on it soon I am sure it will be!
Weymouth is so behind compared to other places such as Brighton. I know this because unlike some I actually leave Weymouth!!!!!
all for it! hurahh!!!!
I think that anyone who is against this plan needs their heads examining. Firstly Weymouth has become a dilapidated dump in areas such as the pavillion, which is pulling everything the town centres traders are trying to do to improve it downwards in an awful spiral of decline. At the moment the Pavillion is a drain on 'our' the tax payers money. I cannot believe making the site provide the town with money rather than draining it from it the economy is being apposed by a few backwards thinking people.
I agree that it needs to be built correctly, but with the worlds eyes on it soon I am sure it will be!
Weymouth is so behind compared to other places such as Brighton. I know this because unlike some I actually leave Weymouth!!!!!
all for it! hurahh!!!!
Posted by: Tom B., Weymouth on 7:43pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth - [bold]quit moaning!!!!!![/bold]
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth -
quit moaning!!!!!! Posted by: DingDonG, Wilds of Wiltshire on 7:58pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Tom B.[/bold] wrote:
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth - [bold]quit moaning!!!!!![/bold] [/quote] Not a moan, just a mathematical fact!
Although I only lived in Weymouth for 40 years (old enough to remember the Ritz burning down)I do pop back often for a laugh!
Perhaps you should try it for a perspective view.
P.S. Agree with your comment 100%, I think you will find a lot of ex-locals look back in horror at all the oppertunities missed in the area over the decades.
Tom B. wrote:
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth - quit moaning!!!!!!
Not a moan, just a mathematical fact!
Although I only lived in Weymouth for 40 years (old enough to remember the Ritz burning down)I do pop back often for a laugh!
Perhaps you should try it for a perspective view.
P.S. Agree with your comment 100%, I think you will find a lot of ex-locals look back in horror at all the oppertunities missed in the area over the decades.
Posted by: Tom B., Weymouth on 9:11pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]DingDonG[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tom B.[/bold] wrote:
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth - [bold]quit moaning!!!!!![/bold] [/quote] Not a moan, just a mathematical fact!
Although I only lived in Weymouth for 40 years (old enough to remember the Ritz burning down)I do pop back often for a laugh!
Perhaps you should try it for a perspective view.
P.S. Agree with your comment 100%, I think you will find a lot of ex-locals look back in horror at all the oppertunities missed in the area over the decades.[/quote] Then I have you mistaken and fair play.
Absolutely correct about the missed opportunities , I'm glad finally we are about to make use of one :)
DingDonG wrote:
Tom B. wrote:
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth - quit moaning!!!!!!
Not a moan, just a mathematical fact!
Although I only lived in Weymouth for 40 years (old enough to remember the Ritz burning down)I do pop back often for a laugh!
Perhaps you should try it for a perspective view.
P.S. Agree with your comment 100%, I think you will find a lot of ex-locals look back in horror at all the oppertunities missed in the area over the decades.
Then I have you mistaken and fair play.
Absolutely correct about the missed opportunities , I'm glad finally we are about to make use of one :)
Posted by: Weyman, Preston on 9:42pm Fri 18 Jul 08
DingDonG is right - there is not enough parking. That is supposing the roads are adequate to get that number of cars in and out at all. Seeing this week's chaos, without the relief road Weymouth will come to a permanent standstill. Tiger is right, public facilities are lacking, it seems we the locals are only wanted if we have money to spend. Yes, we need something done with this site, but this proposal is not being properly discussed. It is not striking enough for a landmark building. Having said that, it could be worse, but is it really back to six storeys, or are we being misled again?
DingDonG is right - there is not enough parking. That is supposing the roads are adequate to get that number of cars in and out at all. Seeing this week's chaos, without the relief road Weymouth will come to a permanent standstill. Tiger is right, public facilities are lacking, it seems we the locals are only wanted if we have money to spend. Yes, we need something done with this site, but this proposal is not being properly discussed. It is not striking enough for a landmark building. Having said that, it could be worse, but is it really back to six storeys, or are we being misled again?
Posted by: Tru Belle, purbeck on 10:12pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]DingDonG[/bold] wrote:
[quote]"We've been working to come up with a solution and we'll be providing 800 parking spaces and only adding 300 or 400 cars to the town."[/quote] Can't believe 300-400 cars.. 140 bed hotel 110 affordable homes 340 waterside flats 290 berth marina 400 new jobs Add that lot up, even if half don't have a car, it will be a fight for spaces BEFORE the rest of us arrive to enjoy the facilities![/quote]
Please please think hard about the Jewel in the Crown that is designated for re developement- the present plans are definitely not easy on the eye.
Please use an aesthetic eye before you make a monumental error!!
DingDonG wrote:
"We've been working to come up with a solution and we'll be providing 800 parking spaces and only adding 300 or 400 cars to the town."
Can't believe 300-400 cars.. 140 bed hotel 110 affordable homes 340 waterside flats 290 berth marina 400 new jobs Add that lot up, even if half don't have a car, it will be a fight for spaces BEFORE the rest of us arrive to enjoy the facilities!
Please please think hard about the Jewel in the Crown that is designated for re developement- the present plans are definitely not easy on the eye.
Please use an aesthetic eye before you make a monumental error!!
Posted by: Robinson on 10:14pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]DingDonG[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tom B.[/bold] wrote:
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth - [bold]quit moaning!!!!!![/bold] [/quote] Not a moan, just a mathematical fact!
Although I only lived in Weymouth for 40 years (old enough to remember the Ritz burning down)I do pop back often for a laugh!
Perhaps you should try it for a perspective view.
P.S. Agree with your comment 100%, I think you will find a lot of ex-locals look back in horror at all the oppertunities missed in the area over the decades.[/quote] As another ex-local who makes the ocassional return I have to agree with you DingDonG. I'd also add that Weymouth gets what it deserves, as always.
DingDonG wrote:
Tom B. wrote:
Oh and dingdong* no offence but your not even from Weymouth - quit moaning!!!!!!
Not a moan, just a mathematical fact!
Although I only lived in Weymouth for 40 years (old enough to remember the Ritz burning down)I do pop back often for a laugh!
Perhaps you should try it for a perspective view.
P.S. Agree with your comment 100%, I think you will find a lot of ex-locals look back in horror at all the oppertunities missed in the area over the decades.
As another ex-local who makes the ocassional return I have to agree with you DingDonG. I'd also add that Weymouth gets what it deserves, as always.
Posted by: genghis, portland on 10:22am Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Weyman[/bold] wrote:
DingDonG is right - there is not enough parking. That is supposing the roads are adequate to get that number of cars in and out at all. Seeing this week's chaos, without the relief road Weymouth will come to a permanent standstill. Tiger is right, public facilities are lacking, it seems we the locals are only wanted if we have money to spend. Yes, we need something done with this site, but this proposal is not being properly discussed. It is not striking enough for a landmark building. Having said that, it could be worse, but is it really back to six storeys, or are we being misled again?[/quote] Totally agree, what is needed is more discussion and then more discussion with the people who disagree with the first discussion followed by more discussion etc etc. This formula has worked in the pastas anybody can see now with our nice new relief road. Oh wait, after 70 years the discussions are still going on.
Weyman wrote:
DingDonG is right - there is not enough parking. That is supposing the roads are adequate to get that number of cars in and out at all. Seeing this week's chaos, without the relief road Weymouth will come to a permanent standstill. Tiger is right, public facilities are lacking, it seems we the locals are only wanted if we have money to spend. Yes, we need something done with this site, but this proposal is not being properly discussed. It is not striking enough for a landmark building. Having said that, it could be worse, but is it really back to six storeys, or are we being misled again?
Totally agree, what is needed is more discussion and then more discussion with the people who disagree with the first discussion followed by more discussion etc etc. This formula has worked in the pastas anybody can see now with our nice new relief road. Oh wait, after 70 years the discussions are still going on.
Posted by: weymouthfox, Weymouth on 12:26pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Looking at the levels in the towers I feel we have been misled by the council and the developer. There looks to be nine stories in the tower plus the car park level plus about two levels below where the car park desk is above sea level. That actually makes 12 stories which is not what we were told. It looks like Marbella and won't fit Georgian Weymouth.
Looking at the levels in the towers I feel we have been misled by the council and the developer. There looks to be nine stories in the tower plus the car park level plus about two levels below where the car park desk is above sea level. That actually makes 12 stories which is not what we were told. It looks like Marbella and won't fit Georgian Weymouth.
Posted by: MIG, Poole on 1:50pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Before I start I apparently have to mention that I lived in Weymouth for over 30years, I also remember the Ritz burning down and the fact that the many people thought that it was a stupid place to rebuild the town's main theatre, and that was 50 years ago! They eventually had to build a car park at the back which was still too small.
If DingDong is who I think then he is related to someone involved in THAT decision, so he would have a very good idea what he is talking about.
This project is being described as a 'Sea front' development. The way I see it is yet another extension of the pier, the seventh and most radical in 100 years. How long before they enclose the whole beach area?
Before I start I apparently have to mention that I lived in Weymouth for over 30years, I also remember the Ritz burning down and the fact that the many people thought that it was a stupid place to rebuild the town's main theatre, and that was 50 years ago! They eventually had to build a car park at the back which was still too small.
If DingDong is who I think then he is related to someone involved in THAT decision, so he would have a very good idea what he is talking about.
This project is being described as a 'Sea front' development. The way I see it is yet another extension of the pier, the seventh and most radical in 100 years. How long before they enclose the whole beach area?
Posted by: genghis, portland on 12:55pm Sun 20 Jul 08
[quote][bold]weymouthfox[/bold] wrote:
Looking at the levels in the towers I feel we have been misled by the council and the developer. There looks to be nine stories in the tower plus the car park level plus about two levels below where the car park desk is above sea level. That actually makes 12 stories which is not what we were told. It looks like Marbella and won't fit Georgian Weymouth.[/quote] Georgian Weymouth. Isn't it about time we moved out of the 18th Century. Do you think the Georgians came to Tudor Weymouth and said "oh! Look at all the quaint Tudor buildings we must leave them all as they are?"
Don't know if anybody has noticed but the Georgian buildings aren't actually being touched. Not unless the Pavilion and the decaying site around it are being claimed by the NIMBY's as being classic Georgian buildings.
weymouthfox wrote:
Looking at the levels in the towers I feel we have been misled by the council and the developer. There looks to be nine stories in the tower plus the car park level plus about two levels below where the car park desk is above sea level. That actually makes 12 stories which is not what we were told. It looks like Marbella and won't fit Georgian Weymouth.
Georgian Weymouth. Isn't it about time we moved out of the 18th Century. Do you think the Georgians came to Tudor Weymouth and said "oh! Look at all the quaint Tudor buildings we must leave them all as they are?"
Don't know if anybody has noticed but the Georgian buildings aren't actually being touched. Not unless the Pavilion and the decaying site around it are being claimed by the NIMBY's as being classic Georgian buildings.
Posted by: Perry Winkle, Weymouth on 7:23pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Best thing to happen to Weymouth in years (in fact as long as I can remember). Do they want a hand with the work?
Best thing to happen to Weymouth in years (in fact as long as I can remember). Do they want a hand with the work?
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