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| The vision for Weymouth Pavilion remains unchanged, says Howard Holdings |
A PROPERTY developer is pushing on with the proposed redevelopment of Weymouth Pavilion despite concerns over another of its proposed South West projects.
Plans by Howard Holdings Ltd to revitalise Newquay town centre at a cost of £127 million may not proceed after the local council raised concerns over the future of the scheme in the present financial climate.
A spokesman for the developers said they were focusing their efforts on Weymouth.
Howard Holdings corporate director Jonathan Hulls said: "There are no doubts at all over the future of the Weymouth Pavilion development.
"This is because the scheme is at a far more developed stage than the one in Newquay, which was in its very early phases and had not even been at a formal planning stage.
"This is why Howard Holdings is now concentrating all of its efforts on the Weymouth Pavilion scheme."
The developer had recently discussed plans to work with Restormel Borough Council to demolish Newquay's town library, council offices and tourist information centre and replace them with a cinema, bowling alley, multi-storey car park and 10,000 sq ft of retail space.
But the council leader Coun Annette Egerton said that the council will be holding talks with Howard Holdings to discuss the future of the scheme.
She said: "Given the issues facing us in the current economic climate, we do have some concerns with regards to the future of this development. We have therefore requested a meeting with Howard Holdings to discuss the project and to identify any implications, if any, on the Newquay scheme."
In Dorset, protesters have been critical of the Howard Holdings proposals for the regeneration of Weymouth Pavilion, including a new marina, hotel and shops.
Mr Hulls said: "I think the protesters have had their say over the Weymouth Pavilion project and it is still going ahead.
"We will still be submitting the formal planning application for the Pavilion project next week to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council as planned."
No one from Weymouth and Portland Borough Council was willing to comment on the situation.
10:51am Wednesday 6th August 2008
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CommentPosted by: maximus, Weymouth on 10:54am Wed 6 Aug 08
What will we end up with if a similar situation to that in Crossways arises part way through the development?
What will we end up with if a similar situation to that in Crossways arises part way through the development?
Posted by: Hilary, Rodwell on 11:37am Wed 6 Aug 08
Why is "no-one from WPBC willing to comment"? Sounds like they've got a problem. Or have their lips been stitched up, rather like the pier?
Why is "no-one from WPBC willing to comment"? Sounds like they've got a problem. Or have their lips been stitched up, rather like the pier?
Posted by: tiger, preston on 11:43am Wed 6 Aug 08
[quote]In Dorset, protesters have been critical of the Howard Holdings proposals for the regeneration of Weymouth Pavilion, including a new marina, hotel and shops.
Mr Hulls said: "I think the protesters have had their say over the Weymouth Pavilion project and it is still going ahead.[/quote]
The Marina is subject to Harbour Commissioners consent, in the early stages we were told that the development could only be viable if the Marina was part of the project.
At the exhibition I was advised that the development was going ahead with or without the Marina.
The plans did not show any lighting, seating or public toilets on the new pier. Should permission not be granted for the Marina then there will not be any pier.
This area needs development, but develop it for its original purpose.. [bold]pleasure[/bold] and let the paymasters (the Council Tax payers) derive some benefit.
Where is the money coming from? [bold]Northern Rock[/bold] in trouble again, £12m allocated but not yet invested in other financial institutions, what are the reserves for??
In Dorset, protesters have been critical of the Howard Holdings proposals for the regeneration of Weymouth Pavilion, including a new marina, hotel and shops.
Mr Hulls said: "I think the protesters have had their say over the Weymouth Pavilion project and it is still going ahead.
The Marina is subject to Harbour Commissioners consent, in the early stages we were told that the development could only be viable if the Marina was part of the project.
At the exhibition I was advised that the development was going ahead with or without the Marina.
The plans did not show any lighting, seating or public toilets on the new pier. Should permission not be granted for the Marina then there will not be any pier.
This area needs development, but develop it for its original purpose..
pleasure and let the paymasters (the Council Tax payers) derive some benefit.
Where is the money coming from?
Northern Rock in trouble again, £12m allocated but not yet invested in other financial institutions, what are the reserves for??
Posted by: tiger, preston on 12:10pm Wed 6 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Hilary[/bold] wrote:
Why is "no-one from WPBC willing to comment"? Sounds like they've got a problem. Or have their lips been stitched up, rather like the pier?[/quote] [quote]Plans by Howard Holdings Ltd to revitalise Newquay town centre at a cost of £127 million may not proceed after the local council raised concerns over the future of the scheme in the present financial climate.[/quote] Local Council seeing the light perhaps.
The developers are concentrating their efforts on Weymouth.
For efforts read finances??[quote]Howard Holdings corporate director Jonathan Hulls said: "There are no doubts at all over the future of the Weymouth Pavilion development.[/quote] of course not, the agreement was made in 2007. [quote]The developer had recently discussed plans to work with Restormel Borough Council to demolish Newquay's town library, council offices and tourist information centre and replace them with a cinema, bowling alley, multi-storey car park and 10,000 sq ft of retail space.
But the council leader Coun Annette Egerton said that the council will be holding talks with Howard Holdings to discuss the future of the scheme.[/quote]
What's this? a Council Leader being sensible?
[quote]Mr Hulls said: "I think the protesters have had their say over the Weymouth Pavilion project and it is still going ahead.[/quote] Just goes to prove they were not listening.
[bold]bold[/bold] HILARY[bold]boldSorry if your comment is out of place, I haven't got the hang of this yet, perhaps little brown envelopes are the answer.[/bold]
Hilary wrote:
Why is "no-one from WPBC willing to comment"? Sounds like they've got a problem. Or have their lips been stitched up, rather like the pier?
Plans by Howard Holdings Ltd to revitalise Newquay town centre at a cost of £127 million may not proceed after the local council raised concerns over the future of the scheme in the present financial climate.
Local Council seeing the light perhaps.
The developers are concentrating their efforts on Weymouth.
For efforts read finances??
Howard Holdings corporate director Jonathan Hulls said: "There are no doubts at all over the future of the Weymouth Pavilion development.
of course not, the agreement was made in 2007.
The developer had recently discussed plans to work with Restormel Borough Council to demolish Newquay's town library, council offices and tourist information centre and replace them with a cinema, bowling alley, multi-storey car park and 10,000 sq ft of retail space.
But the council leader Coun Annette Egerton said that the council will be holding talks with Howard Holdings to discuss the future of the scheme.
What's this? a Council Leader being sensible?
Mr Hulls said: "I think the protesters have had their say over the Weymouth Pavilion project and it is still going ahead.
Just goes to prove they were not listening.
HILARY
boldSorry if your comment is out of place, I haven't got the hang of this yet, perhaps little brown envelopes are the answer. Posted by: maximus, Weymouth on 12:55pm Wed 6 Aug 08
[bold]tiger, preston[/bold] Perhaps the problem is not 'little brown envelopes' but 'big, well stuffed brown envelopes'?
tiger, preston Perhaps the problem is not 'little brown envelopes' but 'big, well stuffed brown envelopes'?
Posted by: techie, Weymouth on 2:01pm Wed 6 Aug 08
[quote]what are the reserves for??[/quote]
Not again! I would refer you to CIPFA (the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy) and their 2003 guidance note on local authority reserves:
[quote]The requirement for financial reserves is acknowledged in statute. Sections 32 and 43 of the Local Government Finance Act 1992 require billing and precepting authorities in England and Wales to have regard to the level of reserves needed for meeting estimated future expenditure when calculating the budget requirement.[/quote]
Also:
[quote]For each reserve held by a local authority there should be a clear protocol
setting out:
• the reason for/purpose of the reserve
• how and when the reserve can be used
• procedures for the reserve’s management and control
• a process and timescale for review of the reserve to ensure continuing
relevance and adequacy.[/quote]
So there you go. All you need to do now is go and ask your councillor the question "What are the reserves for?"
what are the reserves for??
Not again! I would refer you to CIPFA (the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy) and their 2003 guidance note on local authority reserves:
The requirement for financial reserves is acknowledged in statute. Sections 32 and 43 of the Local Government Finance Act 1992 require billing and precepting authorities in England and Wales to have regard to the level of reserves needed for meeting estimated future expenditure when calculating the budget requirement.
Also:
For each reserve held by a local authority there should be a clear protocol
setting out:
• the reason for/purpose of the reserve
• how and when the reserve can be used
• procedures for the reserve’s management and control
• a process and timescale for review of the reserve to ensure continuing
relevance and adequacy.
So there you go. All you need to do now is go and ask your councillor the question "What are the reserves for?"
Posted by: easyplaces, WEYMOUTH, DORSET on 3:26pm Wed 6 Aug 08
Maximus, who is filling your brown envelopes? No pone could up with so much bilge consistently for so long with out being paid. Maximus is a Roman pseudonym what are we to read into that?
Maximus, who is filling your brown envelopes? No pone could up with so much bilge consistently for so long with out being paid. Maximus is a Roman pseudonym what are we to read into that?
Posted by: easyplaces, WEYMOUTH, DORSET on 3:30pm Wed 6 Aug 08
For years Weymouth's agenda has been controlled by negative backward thinkers. At last they have been defeated. Finally they have been sent packing. Their only resort now is to make absolutely pathetic comments, spread lies and abuse well meaning people.
At last the future looks great.
For years Weymouth's agenda has been controlled by negative backward thinkers. At last they have been defeated. Finally they have been sent packing. Their only resort now is to make absolutely pathetic comments, spread lies and abuse well meaning people.
At last the future looks great.
Posted by: weymouthfox, Weymouth on 5:14pm Wed 6 Aug 08
Big brown envelopes? You have to wonder how this project is still alive despite the immense amount of public opinion against it. Surely any banker advancing 200 million will be concerned by the strength of the opposition? Probably the biggest danger is that Howard Holdings get their planning permission, because councillors are whipped into line, but then wait five years to start.
Big brown envelopes? You have to wonder how this project is still alive despite the immense amount of public opinion against it. Surely any banker advancing 200 million will be concerned by the strength of the opposition? Probably the biggest danger is that Howard Holdings get their planning permission, because councillors are whipped into line, but then wait five years to start.
Posted by: Hilary, Rodwell on 11:56pm Wed 6 Aug 08
And what has happened since the rather premature announcement that Hilton hotels are the chosen hotel operators? Nothing but a big silence from Hilton since then. Probably just wishful thinking by HH and the Council. The idea of a Hilton in Weymouth is as unlikely as a Hilton on the moon (the "Stilton Hilton").
And what has happened since the rather premature announcement that Hilton hotels are the chosen hotel operators? Nothing but a big silence from Hilton since then. Probably just wishful thinking by HH and the Council. The idea of a Hilton in Weymouth is as unlikely as a Hilton on the moon (the "Stilton Hilton").
Posted by: techie, Weymouth on 10:06am Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote]Probably just wishful thinking by HH and the Council.[/quote]
Oh for goodness sake. If Howard have agreed outline terms with Hilton it's hardly wishful thinking.
[quote]The idea of a Hilton in Weymouth is as unlikely as a Hilton on the moon (the "Stilton Hilton").[/quote]
Sorry, this sort of nonsense starts to wind me up. Exactly why can or should there not be a Hilton (or any other major hotel) in Weymouth? Positive mental attitude!
Probably just wishful thinking by HH and the Council.
Oh for goodness sake. If Howard have agreed outline terms with Hilton it's hardly wishful thinking.
The idea of a Hilton in Weymouth is as unlikely as a Hilton on the moon (the "Stilton Hilton").
Sorry, this sort of nonsense starts to wind me up. Exactly why can or should there not be a Hilton (or any other major hotel) in Weymouth? Positive mental attitude!
Posted by: Brett Favre#4, Weymouth on 10:27am Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Hilary[/bold] wrote:
And what has happened since the rather premature announcement that Hilton hotels are the chosen hotel operators? Nothing but a big silence from Hilton since then. Probably just wishful thinking by HH and the Council. The idea of a Hilton in Weymouth is as unlikely as a Hilton on the moon (the "Stilton Hilton").[/quote] Hilary - you are the epitomy of everything that holds back Weymouth as a thriving, vibrant and progressive seaside town. Your very narrow minded and ill informed comment makes you look incredibly foolish.
Why exactly should Weymouth not have a Hilton hotel? If Bradford, Blackpool and Bracknell can have one, why can't Weymouth? Maybe if you venture outside of your small world instead of peeping from behind your net curtains then you may realise that the majority of Hilton hotels are perfectly affordable to exactly the type of visitors Weymouth recieves each year. They aren't all 5 star and on Park Lane!! If Hilton decide against taking the site there will be a host of other people waiting in line to take it - Radisson, Thistle, Best Western and Holiday Inn all spring to mind.
Hilary wrote:
And what has happened since the rather premature announcement that Hilton hotels are the chosen hotel operators? Nothing but a big silence from Hilton since then. Probably just wishful thinking by HH and the Council. The idea of a Hilton in Weymouth is as unlikely as a Hilton on the moon (the "Stilton Hilton").
Hilary - you are the epitomy of everything that holds back Weymouth as a thriving, vibrant and progressive seaside town. Your very narrow minded and ill informed comment makes you look incredibly foolish.
Why exactly should Weymouth not have a Hilton hotel? If Bradford, Blackpool and Bracknell can have one, why can't Weymouth? Maybe if you venture outside of your small world instead of peeping from behind your net curtains then you may realise that the majority of Hilton hotels are perfectly affordable to exactly the type of visitors Weymouth recieves each year. They aren't all 5 star and on Park Lane!! If Hilton decide against taking the site there will be a host of other people waiting in line to take it - Radisson, Thistle, Best Western and Holiday Inn all spring to mind.
Posted by: Tim Weymouth Boy, Weymouth on 10:38am Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]weymouthfox[/bold] wrote:
Big brown envelopes? You have to wonder how this project is still alive despite the immense amount of public opinion against it. Surely any banker advancing 200 million will be concerned by the strength of the opposition? Probably the biggest danger is that Howard Holdings get their planning permission, because councillors are whipped into line, but then wait five years to start.[/quote] what you call a small OAP group "the immense amount of public opinion against it" I don't think so. It's going ahead face it!!
weymouthfox wrote:
Big brown envelopes? You have to wonder how this project is still alive despite the immense amount of public opinion against it. Surely any banker advancing 200 million will be concerned by the strength of the opposition? Probably the biggest danger is that Howard Holdings get their planning permission, because councillors are whipped into line, but then wait five years to start.
what you call a small OAP group "the immense amount of public opinion against it" I don't think so. It's going ahead face it!!
Posted by: Iona, Dorset on 3:54pm Tue 12 Aug 08
Planning Approval is the contractual trigger that will give HH control.
Planning Approval is the contractual trigger that will give HH control.
Posted by: sf4, weymouth on 1:33am Tue 19 Aug 08
Mr Hull
A week has past and still no planning application! Are you still full of hot air? We are waiting for a public enquirey? Which the public of Weymouth and Portland are entitled to! Come on, let's get on with it!
Mr Hull
A week has past and still no planning application! Are you still full of hot air? We are waiting for a public enquirey? Which the public of Weymouth and Portland are entitled to! Come on, let's get on with it!
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