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Outrage over rejection of free swimming for over-60s

10:30am Wednesday 1st October 2008

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THE dismissal of a scheme to allow free swimming for pensioners in Weymouth and Portland has sparked outrage.

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council's management committee rejected a proposal to introduce free swimming in local authority pools for over-60s earlier this month.

Members of the committee cited the need to protect the business of privately owned pools as well as the prospect of taxpayers eventually footing the bill as reasons for turning down the plan.

The council's Labour group has condemned the rejection of the scheme, which would have been supported financially by grants from the government, Dorset County Council and the Primary Care Trust. Group leader Paul Kimber said: "We feel it was an opportunity that needed more investigating and clearly we are concerned that over-60s will be missing out.

"Other local authorities are able to take this challenge up and we just seemed to resign ourselves to not doing anything about it.

"With the Olympics coming up are we really sending out the right messages? We could have the best trained juniors in the world but then our pensioners will be the worst provided for."

Coun Kimber added that 300 out of 354 councils nationwide had signed up to the scheme.

The Government urged councils nationwide to sign up the new scheme to make swimming free for over-60s.

It has offered grants to pay for the scheme and Dorset County Council and Dorset's Primary Care Trust have offered financial backing.

The council's spokesman for leisure, tourism and community facilities Brendan Webster - a Liberal Democrat councillor - was unable to attend the meeting but said he would have spoken up in favour of the free swimming scheme.

He said: "It's an opportunity to see if we can actually meet one of our 2012 objectives to get more people engaged in sporting and leisure activities across all parts of the community.

"It would also have allowed us to open the door to exploring further opportunities for younger people and two further pots of money that could be used to improve our facilities. It was a zero cost opportunity to try it out for a couple of years as the cost would have been covered by grants.

"At the end of the day if it had to be withdrawn it wouldn't be the end of the world."

West Dorset, Purbeck and North Dorset district councils have all backed the free swimming scheme. South Dorset MP Jim Knight said he was also disappointed with Weymouth and Portland's decision.

He said: "I was very pleased that West Dorset have chosen to go with the scheme, which comes with considerable amounts of government money "In the end I can only interpret this as a political decision by the Tories who run Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.

"Not only would those people who currently enjoy going swimming not have to pay but it would encourage more pensioners to be active and live a healthier life."

Management committee chairman and leader of the council's Conservative group Mike Goodman defended the committee's move.

He said: "There are lots of people who are going already who would like it for nothing but we found no evidence that any more people would go if it was free."

Coun Goodman said members had spoken to owners of the pool at Osprey Leisure Centre in Portland, who had expressed concerns over the possible impacts of the scheme and felt other pools might feel the same.

He added: "The package is only scheduled for two years, with no guarantee of long-term funding beyond that.

"We were not prepared to then be faced with a massive charge to keep it going or saying to people they cannot have it anymore.

"We don't like turning away money but the bottom line is we could see the risks and we had no evidence there would be any benefit in hard to reach groups."


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maximus, Weymouth says...
11:05am Wed 1 Oct 08

Unfortunately there is no such thing as 'free swimming', the costs have to be met, either from local or national taxes (unless you swim in the sea). Chesil Beach is not recommended.

weymouthfred, weymouth says...
11:39am Wed 1 Oct 08

It seems the Tories on Weymouth and Portland council haven't got the message from Cameron that the Tories are now supposed to be a 'caring, sharing' party. Same old Tories!

william barnes, Dorchester says...
11:39am Wed 1 Oct 08

What a backward country we are? I listen on Radio 4 this morning to how Angora looks after its older citizens - free swimming and exercise classes, free public transport to leisure centres. As a result older people live healthier, longer lives ( 83 on average ) and need less medical services, hospitalisation and residency in care homes...ie less costs to the state overall.
As to the comment about no evidence to suggest that people would go if it were free - why not put it to the test? I suspect a lot more people would go.

yogi, weymouth says...
11:40am Wed 1 Oct 08

This is things to come if the tories get in at the next election,
all that has been done for the over 60s will be lost like free buses free tv license(over 75s).
Be warned..

genghis, portland says...
11:57am Wed 1 Oct 08

He said: "There are lots of people who are going already who would like it for nothing but we found no evidence that any more people would go if it was free."

So if it's only going to be taken up by pensioners who already use the pool it's hardly going to be a great loss in income. If no additional people take up the offer what is the loss there?

By not accepting this scheme Weymouth and Portland do indeed lose. We lose the Government grant that is available for this project.

Voice Of Reason, Weymouth says...
12:22pm Wed 1 Oct 08

Genghis- I AGREE with you! If so few people are going to use it, where is the harm in offering it? By refusing it, you will only generate bad feeling. Any loss income will be met by central Government- OK, this is tax payers money, but it has already been allocated to this cause, and won't be used for the starving orphans or nurses etc.

samt, Dorchester says...
12:41pm Wed 1 Oct 08

Stop moaning older people - you lot always get things free, while the rest of us hard working people have to support you and still pay for ourselves! Nice one W&PBC

Mikeman, Portland says...
12:41pm Wed 1 Oct 08

Coun Kimber added that 300 out of 354 councils nationwide had signed up to the scheme.
So does this mean that Weymouth & Portland Council know something that all these other councils don’t & I bet all the other councils are not getting the extra support from their County Council and Primary Care Trust .& just what has it to do with Osprey or anybody else. No this is the usual cop out from our council, you scratch my back & I will scratch yours & here’s a little brown envelope for your trouble

Ask Archie, Weymouth says...
1:01pm Wed 1 Oct 08

W&PBC cannot afford the subsidy required for the free bus passes which is SUPPOSED to be financed by the goverment.Why should they take on something else that they may not be able to afford,and could mean the cutting of other services so that OAP@S can have a "dip".

Tilly Mint, Weymouth says...
1:01pm Wed 1 Oct 08

What kind of mad people vote to turn down 2 years of free swimming!!! This is what I have come to expect from our local council. Yesterday they were in the Echo deciding not to put up the car parking charges because this year no one came to Weymouth. As the charges have stayed the same, no one will come next year either. what has happened to the council? who are all these people calling themselves councillors but you can never talk to them and What a stupid comment from Councillor Goodman

Albo, Wyke Regis says...
1:07pm Wed 1 Oct 08

So, will they also turn down the free swimming for kids scheme which is due to start in the next couple of years?

Mikeman, Portland says...
1:13pm Wed 1 Oct 08

Albo wrote:
So, will they also turn down the free swimming for kids scheme which is due to start in the next couple of years?
Yes Albothey will.

Ask Archie, Weymouth says...
1:13pm Wed 1 Oct 08

Albo wrote:
So, will they also turn down the free swimming for kids scheme which is due to start in the next couple of years?
If the council can't afford it then yes they should.If the goverment wants t go down the free swimming road then they should nationalise all swimming pools,and take away the cost from the local population.Why should we have to pay for visiting oap's and youngsters to have a swim?

Wykeite, Weymouth says...
4:07pm Wed 1 Oct 08

Ask Archie wrote:
W&PBC cannot afford the subsidy required for the free bus passes which is SUPPOSED to be financed by the goverment.Why should they take on something else that they may not be able to afford,and could mean the cutting of other services so that OAP@S can have a "dip".
Spot on Archie. There is a huge shortfall in the free bus schemes nationwide for councils, thus, as a consequence, sensible local councils will not sign up for other 'subsidised' services that the Government offers. I don’t blame W&PBC stance on this issue, we only have our present Government to blame and their schemes that they do not support to the hilt.

biggestoaf, Weymouth says...
4:13pm Wed 1 Oct 08

And yet so many other councils manage to run these subsidised services. Makes you wonder why it's so difficult for W+PBC. Perhaps there's a lack of will?

genghis, portland says...
4:48pm Wed 1 Oct 08

If the Government, and by that I don't necessarily mean the current one but any from the past as well, spend money on foreign aid what is the usual outcry? What about us? Charity should begin at home. If a Government spends money inside this country what is the cry? I see it's all going to the inner cities us here in the sticks never get our fair share!

Yet now a grant is available for the benefit of people in Weymouth and Portland. What does the unelected Tory Council do? They reject it. Yes I can see their arguments about what happens if the subsidy isn't enough. Who's left with the bill? That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be to announce it as an experiment for the period of the grant. If it works out that it can be funded, all well and good. If it looks as if it's going to be an albatross around our necks then it can be ended at the end of the trial period. We wouldn't have lost anything but at least some of our population would have benefited from some Government money for a change.

If it's good enough for West Dorset, if it's good enough for North Dorset and if it's good enough for 298 other Councils then surely it should be good enough for us? But I forgot, West Dorset and North Dorset have Tory run Councils that were at least elected to get the best for their population and are therefore accountable to their population.

genghis, portland says...
5:41pm Wed 1 Oct 08

samt wrote:
Stop moaning older people - you lot always get things free, while the rest of us hard working people have to support you and still pay for ourselves! Nice one W&PBC
Does it occur to you that while you were growing up who were paying the taxes then? That's right the people that you are knocking paid for your free education, free dental treatment, free NHS treatment and so much more. (NB provided of course that you went to a state school and used the NHS). Why shouldn't they get a few freebies in return?

Juggsy, Cockville says...
5:54pm Wed 1 Oct 08

OAP's swimming eh? I bet that would be a dirty pool. Send them out to The Bill!!

KB, Weymouth says...
5:56pm Wed 1 Oct 08

To Samt.
Grow up pillock.You will be old one day, but then again your senile now so you won't notice.

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