Women take to Dorchester streets to march against abuse (From Dorset Echo)

Now for a more balanced and fact based story...


http://www.youtube.c
om/user/manwomanmyth
/videos?view=0

http://www.avoicefor
men.com/

Today is international mens day, not that the Echo would want to stop spewing out false propaganda and agenda for 5 minutes and pay it any attention...

1 in 6 victims of domestic violence are Men, recent surveys showed womens domestic violence received over 56 million pounds form central government. Male victims received ZERO!

Sorry, my mistake that's old figures, it's actually 40% male victims and ZERO money.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/society/2010/s
ep/05/men-victims-do
mestic-violence

The last thing that we need is a gang of women taking to the streets showing force and threatening those who don't comply with their wishes.
What date does the parade when men will take to the streets of Dorchester in a show of force against domestic violence?
Equality is needed here.

hahahahaha!

Cecil, you really do hate women!

Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

stench wrote:
hahahahaha!

Cecil, you really do hate women!

Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

Trying to obfuscate the comment and its truth with shaming language and name calling don't work any more, hasn't anyone told you? Perhaps the dumb feminist tactics code book in the link I left will help you ?

Anyway must go, you are irrelevant but amusing.

cecilbdoomil wrote:

stench wrote: hahahahaha! Cecil, you really do hate women! Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

Trying to obfuscate the comment and its truth with shaming language and name calling don't work any more, hasn't anyone told you? Perhaps the dumb feminist tactics code book in the link I left will help you ? Anyway must go, you are irrelevant but amusing.

hahaha!

Still spend time to think of a reply :D

stench wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

stench wrote: hahahahaha! Cecil, you really do hate women! Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

Trying to obfuscate the comment and its truth with shaming language and name calling don't work any more, hasn't anyone told you? Perhaps the dumb feminist tactics code book in the link I left will help you ? Anyway must go, you are irrelevant but amusing.

hahaha!

Still spend time to think of a reply :D

Do grow up.

stench wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

stench wrote: hahahahaha! Cecil, you really do hate women! Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

Trying to obfuscate the comment and its truth with shaming language and name calling don't work any more, hasn't anyone told you? Perhaps the dumb feminist tactics code book in the link I left will help you ? Anyway must go, you are irrelevant but amusing.

hahaha!

Still spend time to think of a reply :D

Cecil has to go, he's got to drag his women back into his cave by her hair!!

woodsedge wrote:

stench wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

stench wrote: hahahahaha! Cecil, you really do hate women! Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

Trying to obfuscate the comment and its truth with shaming language and name calling don't work any more, hasn't anyone told you? Perhaps the dumb feminist tactics code book in the link I left will help you ? Anyway must go, you are irrelevant but amusing.

hahaha! Still spend time to think of a reply :D

Cecil has to go, he's got to drag his women back into his cave by her hair!!

hahaha!

I knew Cecil would come back with a further reply. couldnt resist to scroll through the pages to see

woodsedge wrote:

stench wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

stench wrote: hahahahaha! Cecil, you really do hate women! Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

Trying to obfuscate the comment and its truth with shaming language and name calling don't work any more, hasn't anyone told you? Perhaps the dumb feminist tactics code book in the link I left will help you ? Anyway must go, you are irrelevant but amusing.

hahaha! Still spend time to think of a reply :D

Cecil has to go, he's got to drag his women back into his cave by her hair!!

Nonetheless he has a valid point which is borne out by statistics. And those statistics come with a caveat too - under reporting is believed to be rife in male victims. We should deplore domestic violence in all its forms; we should not allow groups to mislead to support their own definition. Even Childline has been caught out stigmatising men with false statistics (in that case, failing to mention that many of the calls it was receiving were not from child victims of make violence, but from women askin for help to stop them beating their own kids).

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

stench wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

stench wrote: hahahahaha! Cecil, you really do hate women! Any chance, and BANG! you're on it like a tramp on chips!

Trying to obfuscate the comment and its truth with shaming language and name calling don't work any more, hasn't anyone told you? Perhaps the dumb feminist tactics code book in the link I left will help you ? Anyway must go, you are irrelevant but amusing.

hahaha! Still spend time to think of a reply :D

Cecil has to go, he's got to drag his women back into his cave by her hair!!

Nonetheless he has a valid point which is borne out by statistics. And those statistics come with a caveat too - under reporting is believed to be rife in male victims. We should deplore domestic violence in all its forms; we should not allow groups to mislead to support their own definition. Even Childline has been caught out stigmatising men with false statistics (in that case, failing to mention that many of the calls it was receiving were not from child victims of make violence, but from women askin for help to stop them beating their own kids).

Glad to see some sensible thinking still exists. "I must hate women", honestly if I had a pound for every feminist or mangina that come out with that cliche' I could pay for a male refuge myself !

More council tax payers money being wasted by non-jobbers on non-issues.

I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......
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whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......

................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......

................

Since when does truth lack compassion?

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......


................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......



................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

Okay lets read the article:

"The march will be the main event on a night of female only activities"

The Reclaim the Night event has been organised by the Women’s Action Network Dorset (WAND)

" to mark International End Violence Against Women Day."


The bigotry, misandry and sexism in the article is blatantly clear and frankly it should be illegal, if it was men, it would be.

As for blaming James's parenting for any shame his sons may feel should they be male victims of domestic violence, I suggest your ignorance towards male victims and what THEY go through is just as clear.

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......



................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

Woodsedge, if YOU took the time to read the literature, YOU would understand that men are often reluctant to come forward when they are victims. Whilst it is currently popular to blame male parents for every ill, in this case your comment just makes you sound silly. As a man, I am tired of these poorly conceived feminist crusades that mean every time I so much look at a child I am viewed with suspicion. Sexism against men is rampant in this country in everything from healthcare policy (you could save eight times as many men from aortic aneurism with one eighth of the money spent on breast cancer screening but they don't do it), to divorce courts, to media hype about dangerous men (a child is more likely to be killed by its mother). And to be frank, the ignorance of your reply is a pretty good indication of the damage this is doing to society. Yes domestic violence is terrible. But in the US, 70% of domestic abuse was caused by women. Source: American Journal of Public Health.

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......




................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

Woodsedge, if YOU took the time to read the literature, YOU would understand that men are often reluctant to come forward when they are victims. Whilst it is currently popular to blame male parents for every ill, in this case your comment just makes you sound silly. As a man, I am tired of these poorly conceived feminist crusades that mean every time I so much look at a child I am viewed with suspicion. Sexism against men is rampant in this country in everything from healthcare policy (you could save eight times as many men from aortic aneurism with one eighth of the money spent on breast cancer screening but they don't do it), to divorce courts, to media hype about dangerous men (a child is more likely to be killed by its mother). And to be frank, the ignorance of your reply is a pretty good indication of the damage this is doing to society. Yes domestic violence is terrible. But in the US, 70% of domestic abuse was caused by women. Source: American Journal of Public Health.

Didn't blame "male parents" for every ill, just your parenting skills and why you questioned why you believe your son wouldn't feel empowered enough to speak up. You really should avoid making unfounded headline statements as you do in most of your posts. We could all massage or cherry pick the statistics that best suit any particular argument. I speak from experience as I went through the civil courts to successfully get custody of my children from their mother because that was their wish. Although it will fall on death ears, stop making assumptions and accusing people of "ignorance". as an ex police officer who served in the Metropolitan police for 5 years I can assure you from experience and not massaged statistics that it is, in the majority of domestic violence situations, men who are the instigators and perpetrators of violence on women. may be you would understand the subject a little better if you spent some time volunteering in a women's hostel?

Well as a female who life has been destroyed through domestic violence I am glad those women have now found the strength to get on with there life.
And as for you poor men above if you have been beaten to a pulp by your wives but have not had the courage to go to the police i do feel sorry for you....
Just to let you know It takes a lot more courage to go to the police these bullies dont just threaten the individual they threaten your families as well that you feel you cant leave them for fear of what they will do...... If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did above thats how women supports groups started by the women that were victims themselves.

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......





................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

Woodsedge, if YOU took the time to read the literature, YOU would understand that men are often reluctant to come forward when they are victims. Whilst it is currently popular to blame male parents for every ill, in this case your comment just makes you sound silly. As a man, I am tired of these poorly conceived feminist crusades that mean every time I so much look at a child I am viewed with suspicion. Sexism against men is rampant in this country in everything from healthcare policy (you could save eight times as many men from aortic aneurism with one eighth of the money spent on breast cancer screening but they don't do it), to divorce courts, to media hype about dangerous men (a child is more likely to be killed by its mother). And to be frank, the ignorance of your reply is a pretty good indication of the damage this is doing to society. Yes domestic violence is terrible. But in the US, 70% of domestic abuse was caused by women. Source: American Journal of Public Health.

Didn't blame "male parents" for every ill, just your parenting skills and why you questioned why you believe your son wouldn't feel empowered enough to speak up. You really should avoid making unfounded headline statements as you do in most of your posts. We could all massage or cherry pick the statistics that best suit any particular argument. I speak from experience as I went through the civil courts to successfully get custody of my children from their mother because that was their wish. Although it will fall on death ears, stop making assumptions and accusing people of "ignorance". as an ex police officer who served in the Metropolitan police for 5 years I can assure you from experience and not massaged statistics that it is, in the majority of domestic violence situations, men who are the instigators and perpetrators of violence on women. may be you would understand the subject a little better if you spent some time volunteering in a women's hostel?

It seems easy for you to "poo-poo" other peoples facts without supplying source yourself and relying on an unproven claim about your short time as a policeman ?

On that note, I have had to help many men who have been treated appallingly by the police in D.V matters and know full well most forces operate an "arrest the man regardless" system, even when it is obvious he is the victim.

You might want to watch these videos below for some further information that rejects what you are saying. Much of it by the Founder of women's refuges, who I guess you know better than too ?

4 part video, this is part 1/4, look on the right hand side of the page for the rest.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=w5AOj6EhR
uY&feature=plcp

2 part related video: 1/2 here
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=wG12QLmWo
w0&feature=relmfu

Plenty of studies by official bodies have shown women are the primary instigators of domestic violence which you refuse to accept. These are covered in the videos above for source.

How do you volunteer at a woman's refuge when all men are banned from them, including boys over 12/13, how comes you didn't know that?


Out of curiosity,what judges did you sit before in the family court?

whatever66 wrote:
Well as a female who life has been destroyed through domestic violence I am glad those women have now found the strength to get on with there life.
And as for you poor men above if you have been beaten to a pulp by your wives but have not had the courage to go to the police i do feel sorry for you....
Just to let you know It takes a lot more courage to go to the police these bullies dont just threaten the individual they threaten your families as well that you feel you cant leave them for fear of what they will do...... If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did above thats how women supports groups started by the women that were victims themselves.

" If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did "


What an unpleasant female you are. Why do you not practice equality but instead practice misandry? Why do you not demand proportionate resources for victims groups regardless of the gender of the victims?

Careful your slip is showing..

cecilbdoomil wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
Well as a female who life has been destroyed through domestic violence I am glad those women have now found the strength to get on with there life.
And as for you poor men above if you have been beaten to a pulp by your wives but have not had the courage to go to the police i do feel sorry for you....
Just to let you know It takes a lot more courage to go to the police these bullies dont just threaten the individual they threaten your families as well that you feel you cant leave them for fear of what they will do...... If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did above thats how women supports groups started by the women that were victims themselves.

" If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did "


What an unpleasant female you are. Why do you not practice equality but instead practice misandry? Why do you not demand proportionate resources for victims groups regardless of the gender of the victims?

Careful your slip is showing..

I cannot be bothered with you a far as I am concerned you are a twisted individual.
Who needs help do you actually have a life I doubt it you spend far too much time commenting old propaganda and out of date facts who gives a **** what's happening in America we are talking about local issues and what's going on under everyone's noses in our own streets I'm glad your not my neighbour your all talk and
probably hid under your quilt while your wife banged on the door to help... loops so you won't be married cause your a sexiest horrid up yourself pig

whatever66 wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
Well as a female who life has been destroyed through domestic violence I am glad those women have now found the strength to get on with there life.
And as for you poor men above if you have been beaten to a pulp by your wives but have not had the courage to go to the police i do feel sorry for you....
Just to let you know It takes a lot more courage to go to the police these bullies dont just threaten the individual they threaten your families as well that you feel you cant leave them for fear of what they will do...... If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did above thats how women supports groups started by the women that were victims themselves.

" If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did "


What an unpleasant female you are. Why do you not practice equality but instead practice misandry? Why do you not demand proportionate resources for victims groups regardless of the gender of the victims?

Careful your slip is showing..

I cannot be bothered with you a far as I am concerned you are a twisted individual.
Who needs help do you actually have a life I doubt it you spend far too much time commenting old propaganda and out of date facts who gives a **** what's happening in America we are talking about local issues and what's going on under everyone's noses in our own streets I'm glad your not my neighbour your all talk and
probably hid under your quilt while your wife banged on the door to help... loops so you won't be married cause your a sexiest horrid up yourself pig

Whatever666 nice to have you out the feminist man-hate closet.

Your shaming language, name calling, false allegations and barley veiled seething hatred finally surfaced, the real agenda behind such groups, has been revealed in your words better than I could have hoped .

Thank you.

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......





................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

Woodsedge, if YOU took the time to read the literature, YOU would understand that men are often reluctant to come forward when they are victims. Whilst it is currently popular to blame male parents for every ill, in this case your comment just makes you sound silly. As a man, I am tired of these poorly conceived feminist crusades that mean every time I so much look at a child I am viewed with suspicion. Sexism against men is rampant in this country in everything from healthcare policy (you could save eight times as many men from aortic aneurism with one eighth of the money spent on breast cancer screening but they don't do it), to divorce courts, to media hype about dangerous men (a child is more likely to be killed by its mother). And to be frank, the ignorance of your reply is a pretty good indication of the damage this is doing to society. Yes domestic violence is terrible. But in the US, 70% of domestic abuse was caused by women. Source: American Journal of Public Health.

Didn't blame "male parents" for every ill, just your parenting skills and why you questioned why you believe your son wouldn't feel empowered enough to speak up. You really should avoid making unfounded headline statements as you do in most of your posts. We could all massage or cherry pick the statistics that best suit any particular argument. I speak from experience as I went through the civil courts to successfully get custody of my children from their mother because that was their wish. Although it will fall on death ears, stop making assumptions and accusing people of "ignorance". as an ex police officer who served in the Metropolitan police for 5 years I can assure you from experience and not massaged statistics that it is, in the majority of domestic violence situations, men who are the instigators and perpetrators of violence on women. may be you would understand the subject a little better if you spent some time volunteering in a women's hostel?

Um, no, actually the one making unfounded claims is in fact you. Although it us difficult to argue with somebody hiding behind a pseudonym, so far as I am aware you cannot know anything about my parenting skills. And whereas you offer no evidence beyond "I was a policeman and worked in a woman's hostel" (if you were a copper you would surely be reticent to accept this as evidence if roles were reversed) I have referenced an academic journal. If academic journals are to be accused of cherry picking then where should we look? Personally, my definition of ignorance is somebody who ignores statistics in favour of hyperbole. And until you show up on my doorstep with a warrant card then I'm not that inclined to believe what you've written. If, however, you are a retired copper then I hope police practice has evolved beyond accusing somebody of being a bad parent because they make the very valid point that males are less likely to report violence than females. But then maybe you are also of the view that female rape victims "asked for it"? Same logic, after all.

whatever66 wrote:
Well as a female who life has been destroyed through domestic violence I am glad those women have now found the strength to get on with there life.
And as for you poor men above if you have been beaten to a pulp by your wives but have not had the courage to go to the police i do feel sorry for you....
Just to let you know It takes a lot more courage to go to the police these bullies dont just threaten the individual they threaten your families as well that you feel you cant leave them for fear of what they will do...... If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did above thats how women supports groups started by the women that were victims themselves.

And you have my sympathies. However, you also need to recognise that there is an increasing tendency to stigmatise men. Some women's groups are twisting facts to justify an invalid argument. And men's groups do not receive any form of funding. Any victim of violence deserves sympathy and help. But we cannot demonise half the human race. If the current logic holds, women should not be left aloe with children as a few of them smother their kids.

Actually regarding the mountain of false propaganda against men in the media and from these sort of groups and while addressing women being alone with children and killer mothers, these videos cover these areas very well with more true facts.

Interviewing the Female founder of Kidscape and the Founder of women's refuges, who was sent death threats for speaking out against the lies and misandry in feminist groups BTW.

Video 1: Female child abusers how society is kept in the dark about it.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=nCpr3hr0K
30

The 1 in 4 lie, the Duluth model, male hatred promoted in women's refuges and women's violence towards children:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=uSjb0nK1x
Lo&feature=player_em
bedded

One thing that was overlooked in responses to the original article and of course in the articles propaganda itself, is the much larger barbaric practice of Male genital mutilation, or circumcision.

Once again the female equivalent gets all the coverage and cry's but males are completely ignored. This is despite it being undertaken on thousands of times more males than females and resulting in deaths and lifelong deformity in many cases.

One must ultimately look upon male circumcision, which is nearly always done to babies and very young boys, as an act of child abuse. It is made so by the fact that at these ages, the male child has no ability to say no, or to make an informed choice for themselves. It is something forced upon them.

Worse than that the practice on males is openly promoted under completely false pretenses with no proper scientific basis.

http://www.doctorsop
posingcircumcision.o
rg/pdf/Hill_2007.pdf


Well known misandrist feminist Hilary Clinton is currently trying to run a campaign for the FORCED butchery of over 28 million African males on the absurd basis that it will prevent HIV. .

http://www.avoicefor
men.com/a-voice-for-
men/clinton-determin
ed-to-push-28-millio
n-circumcisions/

An interview in the UK discussing the medical side of the matter.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=N8FwCRFyK
lQ&feature=channel&l
ist=UL

cecilbdoomil wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......






................

I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

Woodsedge, if YOU took the time to read the literature, YOU would understand that men are often reluctant to come forward when they are victims. Whilst it is currently popular to blame male parents for every ill, in this case your comment just makes you sound silly. As a man, I am tired of these poorly conceived feminist crusades that mean every time I so much look at a child I am viewed with suspicion. Sexism against men is rampant in this country in everything from healthcare policy (you could save eight times as many men from aortic aneurism with one eighth of the money spent on breast cancer screening but they don't do it), to divorce courts, to media hype about dangerous men (a child is more likely to be killed by its mother). And to be frank, the ignorance of your reply is a pretty good indication of the damage this is doing to society. Yes domestic violence is terrible. But in the US, 70% of domestic abuse was caused by women. Source: American Journal of Public Health.

Didn't blame "male parents" for every ill, just your parenting skills and why you questioned why you believe your son wouldn't feel empowered enough to speak up. You really should avoid making unfounded headline statements as you do in most of your posts. We could all massage or cherry pick the statistics that best suit any particular argument. I speak from experience as I went through the civil courts to successfully get custody of my children from their mother because that was their wish. Although it will fall on death ears, stop making assumptions and accusing people of "ignorance". as an ex police officer who served in the Metropolitan police for 5 years I can assure you from experience and not massaged statistics that it is, in the majority of domestic violence situations, men who are the instigators and perpetrators of violence on women. may be you would understand the subject a little better if you spent some time volunteering in a women's hostel?

It seems easy for you to "poo-poo" other peoples facts without supplying source yourself and relying on an unproven claim about your short time as a policeman ?

On that note, I have had to help many men who have been treated appallingly by the police in D.V matters and know full well most forces operate an "arrest the man regardless" system, even when it is obvious he is the victim.

You might want to watch these videos below for some further information that rejects what you are saying. Much of it by the Founder of women's refuges, who I guess you know better than too ?

4 part video, this is part 1/4, look on the right hand side of the page for the rest.

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=w5AOj6EhR

uY&feature=plcp

2 part related video: 1/2 here
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=wG12QLmWo

w0&feature=relmf
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Plenty of studies by official bodies have shown women are the primary instigators of domestic violence which you refuse to accept. These are covered in the videos above for source.

How do you volunteer at a woman's refuge when all men are banned from them, including boys over 12/13, how comes you didn't know that?


Out of curiosity,what judges did you sit before in the family court?

Oh dear Cecil, It would appear that you and James Young went to the same twisted school of life. I really do find it difficult to accept some males as being of the same sex as myself. One of the sources you rely upon to substantiate your narrow minded views is called the "The Great Female Con", and the other is "Man Woman & Myth, truth, lies and the war on men", not really unbiased opinion and the fact that you watch this trash probably says more about you than I ever could. How about some proper unbiased facts like 1 million women experience at least one incident of domestic abuse each year, Two women are killed each week by their partner or ex-partner, 54 per cent of women victims of serious sexual assault were assaulted by their partner or ex-partner, Women experience an average of 35 incidents of domestic violence before reporting an incident to the police, 76 per cent of all DV incidents are repeat source Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer QC. But then again facts do not really fit in with your male chauvinist principles. I am proud of the fact that I served as a police constable for 5 years in a force where 5 years served is the equivalent to 10 in any regional force. My comment about spending some time in a women’s refuge was flippant, although I would hazard a guess that you two are the very type of individuals that they want to protect these vulnerable women from.

whatever66 wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
Well as a female who life has been destroyed through domestic violence I am glad those women have now found the strength to get on with there life.
And as for you poor men above if you have been beaten to a pulp by your wives but have not had the courage to go to the police i do feel sorry for you....
Just to let you know It takes a lot more courage to go to the police these bullies dont just threaten the individual they threaten your families as well that you feel you cant leave them for fear of what they will do...... If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did above thats how women supports groups started by the women that were victims themselves.

" If your that up in arms that there is no help for Men get off you Lazy backsides and do something about it just like the women did "


What an unpleasant female you are. Why do you not practice equality but instead practice misandry? Why do you not demand proportionate resources for victims groups regardless of the gender of the victims?

Careful your slip is showing..

I cannot be bothered with you a far as I am concerned you are a twisted individual.
Who needs help do you actually have a life I doubt it you spend far too much time commenting old propaganda and out of date facts who gives a **** what's happening in America we are talking about local issues and what's going on under everyone's noses in our own streets I'm glad your not my neighbour your all talk and
probably hid under your quilt while your wife banged on the door to help... loops so you won't be married cause your a sexiest horrid up yourself pig

Hi Whatever66, just a short note you reassure you that not all men have the caveman mentality of Cecil and if it makes you feel any better I can reassure you that he is equally unpleasant on all threads on this web site. He certainly doesn't represent the vast majority of the male species and is something of a throwback. Perhaps he need to be taken down from his ivory tower and experience real life and some of the horrid experiences some women have had to endure

It always comes back to shaming language doesn't it :-) I am amused that you think videos primarily made by the words from the founders of women's refuges and kidscape, both of whom are women, are "trash" when they happen to agree with my debate. Funny that.eh ;-)


" I can reassure you that he is equally unpleasant on all threads on this web site "

really? do tell? You do know that white-knighting doesn't get you laid, just used, don't you ;-)

P.S

Those videos and sites are used for the simple reason that they are from the men's rights movement, a movement that is not a self absorbed hater of the opposite gender, instead it seeks proper equality and the diffusing of lies and propaganda by feminism which is a hate movement.

Hence why it asks for equal and proportionate funding for both, not just for men, unlike this article and a few commenter's which are clearly full of misandry and self.

Do you at any time see me or James asking only for male funding only? No. Do you see either of us saying that women do not deserve to be supported where it is genuine? No. You of course try to imply that it does, this is typical of the tactic employed by the feminist.

It also shows this intent clearly by the fact it uses WOMEN in its videos who have been VICTIMS themselves and who founded both women's refuges and such..


So according to you, those women are all cave dwelling scum that hate women?

" My comment about spending some time in a women’s refuge was flippant "


No your comment showed you don;t know what you are talking about and you don't wish to broach the fact that male discrimination is practiced by them.

I also noticed you failed to answer the question, what judges did you see in family court and what was your warrant number?

woodsedge wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

whatever66 wrote:
I do hope your daughters, sisters neices never experience having to go through it and if they do I hope your a bit more compassionate.......







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I also hope my sons don't, because they will be ashamed to speak out. I hope my grandsons aren't injured or murdered by their mothers, which is as likely as them falling victim to their fathers. I hope, if they divorce, their wives do not claim they are violent in order to deny acces to children thus ensuring more maintenance money. I have every sympathy for women in this situation, but it is not a uniquely female issue. If you need evidence of that, look at the level of violence in lesbian relationships, which dwarfs that in heterosexual relationships.

I suggest that if your son's "are ashamed to speak" it's down to bad parenting. Domestic violence is not right hetro sexual, bisexual or whatever. Perhaps you would like to read the article before you comment.

Woodsedge, if YOU took the time to read the literature, YOU would understand that men are often reluctant to come forward when they are victims. Whilst it is currently popular to blame male parents for every ill, in this case your comment just makes you sound silly. As a man, I am tired of these poorly conceived feminist crusades that mean every time I so much look at a child I am viewed with suspicion. Sexism against men is rampant in this country in everything from healthcare policy (you could save eight times as many men from aortic aneurism with one eighth of the money spent on breast cancer screening but they don't do it), to divorce courts, to media hype about dangerous men (a child is more likely to be killed by its mother). And to be frank, the ignorance of your reply is a pretty good indication of the damage this is doing to society. Yes domestic violence is terrible. But in the US, 70% of domestic abuse was caused by women. Source: American Journal of Public Health.

Didn't blame "male parents" for every ill, just your parenting skills and why you questioned why you believe your son wouldn't feel empowered enough to speak up. You really should avoid making unfounded headline statements as you do in most of your posts. We could all massage or cherry pick the statistics that best suit any particular argument. I speak from experience as I went through the civil courts to successfully get custody of my children from their mother because that was their wish. Although it will fall on death ears, stop making assumptions and accusing people of "ignorance". as an ex police officer who served in the Metropolitan police for 5 years I can assure you from experience and not massaged statistics that it is, in the majority of domestic violence situations, men who are the instigators and perpetrators of violence on women. may be you would understand the subject a little better if you spent some time volunteering in a women's hostel?

It seems easy for you to "poo-poo" other peoples facts without supplying source yourself and relying on an unproven claim about your short time as a policeman ?

On that note, I have had to help many men who have been treated appallingly by the police in D.V matters and know full well most forces operate an "arrest the man regardless" system, even when it is obvious he is the victim.

You might want to watch these videos below for some further information that rejects what you are saying. Much of it by the Founder of women's refuges, who I guess you know better than too ?

4 part video, this is part 1/4, look on the right hand side of the page for the rest.

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=w5AOj6EhR


uY&feature=plcp

2 part related video: 1/2 here
http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=wG12QLmWo


w0&feature=relmf

u

Plenty of studies by official bodies have shown women are the primary instigators of domestic violence which you refuse to accept. These are covered in the videos above for source.

How do you volunteer at a woman's refuge when all men are banned from them, including boys over 12/13, how comes you didn't know that?


Out of curiosity,what judges did you sit before in the family court?

Oh dear Cecil, It would appear that you and James Young went to the same twisted school of life. I really do find it difficult to accept some males as being of the same sex as myself. One of the sources you rely upon to substantiate your narrow minded views is called the "The Great Female Con", and the other is "Man Woman & Myth, truth, lies and the war on men", not really unbiased opinion and the fact that you watch this trash probably says more about you than I ever could. How about some proper unbiased facts like 1 million women experience at least one incident of domestic abuse each year, Two women are killed each week by their partner or ex-partner, 54 per cent of women victims of serious sexual assault were assaulted by their partner or ex-partner, Women experience an average of 35 incidents of domestic violence before reporting an incident to the police, 76 per cent of all DV incidents are repeat source Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer QC. But then again facts do not really fit in with your male chauvinist principles. I am proud of the fact that I served as a police constable for 5 years in a force where 5 years served is the equivalent to 10 in any regional force. My comment about spending some time in a women’s refuge was flippant, although I would hazard a guess that you two are the very type of individuals that they want to protect these vulnerable women from.

1. At no point have i denied that violence against women occurs, nor that is abhorrent;
2. My crime, in your eyes, seems to lie in highlighting that men are also victims of domestic violence;
3. In response to this, you have accused me of being a poor parent;
4. You have also lied - and been called out - about working in a woman's refuge;
5. Now you've gone one step further, accusing me of being violent myself!
I don't know if you served 5 years in the Met or not, but i do know this: if you were a policeman, you are a shocking example of one. At least i hope you are.
The British Crime Survey (a Home Office publication based on feedback from the police amongst others) states that 6% of all women and 4% of all men experienced domestic violence last year. That's 900,000 female victims and 600,000 males. That alone should be enough to convince you that domestic abuse is by no means a male only problem. Fatalities - about 90 female victims a year and 22 male - again, Home Office figures. That is the only point i have sought to make here - both sexes are victims, but the whole focus is on males as perpetrators, as it is on males as perpetrators of paedophilia (although 20% of women are paedophiles) and the same as it is on violence against children (3 children lose their lives every week through abuse or neglect -and 47% of these are killed by their mothers). And yet, feminist groups and misguided policemen would have us all believe that it is a male only problem (possibly because their access to funding depends on it).
I have explained the evidence on which my argument depends. Would you now please provide evidence to explain how you come to the conclusion that i must be a poor parent and violent towards my partner? You are perhaps fortune that i'm not Lord McAlpine!

OK guys (or should I say girls) I admit you had me going there. Probably one of the few that were being taken in but the entertainment remains the same. Cecil (or perhaps Cecilia?) you overplayed your hand with the Hilary Clinton reference ; one that even the most rabid Tea Party Republican would have thought twice about & after that James (Janet?) just sounded a bit false after the first few (v good) bits of spile. Nevertheless I’ve mailed the thread to Private Eye on the basis that it was quite a brilliant set of postings & far better than their own spoof equivalent (done however at the point I truly thought that you two were a pair of Batman & Robin costume wearing misogynists).

Capitalist piglet wrote:
OK guys (or should I say girls) I admit you had me going there. Probably one of the few that were being taken in but the entertainment remains the same. Cecil (or perhaps Cecilia?) you overplayed your hand with the Hilary Clinton reference ; one that even the most rabid Tea Party Republican would have thought twice about & after that James (Janet?) just sounded a bit false after the first few (v good) bits of spile. Nevertheless I’ve mailed the thread to Private Eye on the basis that it was quite a brilliant set of postings & far better than their own spoof equivalent (done however at the point I truly thought that you two were a pair of Batman & Robin costume wearing misogynists).

Celia and Janet, brilliant and the desciption of a pair of misogynists is spot on, it's amazing that in this day and age that there still remains these genetic throwbacks. Not so sure about Private Eye, more like front page of the Daily Mail!!

woodsedge wrote:

Capitalist piglet wrote:
OK guys (or should I say girls) I admit you had me going there. Probably one of the few that were being taken in but the entertainment remains the same. Cecil (or perhaps Cecilia?) you overplayed your hand with the Hilary Clinton reference ; one that even the most rabid Tea Party Republican would have thought twice about & after that James (Janet?) just sounded a bit false after the first few (v good) bits of spile. Nevertheless I’ve mailed the thread to Private Eye on the basis that it was quite a brilliant set of postings & far better than their own spoof equivalent (done however at the point I truly thought that you two were a pair of Batman & Robin costume wearing misogynists).

Celia and Janet, brilliant and the desciption of a pair of misogynists is spot on, it's amazing that in this day and age that there still remains these genetic throwbacks. Not so sure about Private Eye, more like front page of the Daily Mail!!

Woodsedge, i note that you have chosen not to reply to my direct question and instead stick to ad hominems. You lie, you slander and you hurl insults.

I think this thread has shown the immature, spiteful, desperate and bitter side of western women, especially the hate movement of feminism that is behind women's refuges and that has polluted and manipulated society.

All I asked was proper equality and you can all see the response . Britain has the culture, society and country it deserves. Now get ready for the pay back that's coming ladies....

It is also not un-noticed the Echo has deleted over 100 comments from this thread...no doubt on the request of the same stinking hate agenda of women.


The British press reflects the stinking cesspit and lies/censorship of the country this has become.

I expect your sympathies Lie with the pedophile on the front page of the echo today or is that womans and young girls fault!!!!!!!!!!

I mean after all your all for men are'nt you cecilbdoomil........
both twisted in your own little ways........

be careful how you answer now as your mouth so often gets ytou in trouble............