STADIUM SHOCK: Plans unveiled to move Weymouth Football Club and build 200 homes on site

Dorset Echo: PLANS have been unveiled to build up to 200 homes on the site of Weymouth Football Club. PLANS have been unveiled to build up to 200 homes on the site of Weymouth Football Club.

PLANS have been unveiled to build up to 200 homes on the site of Weymouth Football Club.

The ambitious plans would see the stadium relocated to land near Lodmoor tip. Wessex Delivery LLP (WDP), which owns the land surrounding the stadium, is currently in talks with Weymouth Football Club and other stakeholders about the possibility of moving the club to Lodmoor.

The company said that this would be 'enabled through redevelopment of the existing Wessex grounds.'

The plans are to create a new community football facility for Weymouth Football Club as well as redevelop the old stadium site into a mixed use development, which would include 150-200 homes, the shop and village green.

The site is currently designated for leisure use under West Dorset planning guidelines but the owners have submitted it for consideration for residential development under the Alternative Submitted Sites Consultation as part of the new Draft Local Plan.

Duncan Johnston from Wessex Delivery LLP said: “In light of the 2012 Olympic Games, it is hoped that a sustainable community stadium will provide a sports legacy for Weymouth.

“Aside from providing a new sports facility, the two schemes will create new job opportunities, both during construction and following completion, and provide support to local businesses.”

The Board of Weymouth Football club issued a statement stating they had recently held discussions with WDP about the possibility of moving but felt 'under no compulsion' to move and said all plans would be looked at to see if they offered an 'improvement on the current stadium', in terms of 'community facilities, income producing potential, running costs, and spectator accommodation.'

The club's board added: “Any proposals made, to meet with the approval of the board, must also provide adequate safeguards on land ownership of the replacement stadium, as the current stadium is unencumbered freehold.”

Although the board said they had seen preliminary plans of the new stadium with 'some attractive features' in an 'adequate' location, but that there was a 'considerable way' to go before the design would be one the board would recommend.

It added: “Any proposals made, to meet with the approval of the board, must also provide adequate safeguards on land ownership of the replacement stadium, as the current stadium is unencumbered freehold.”

Members of the public are being invited to attend two consultation events to hear plans for the two sites. The first will focus on the proposed new stadium scheme and will take place at The Rembrandt Hotel on Dorchester Road, between 4.30pm - 7pm on Monday, December 3.

The second will focus on the existing Wessex Stadium site and will take place on Wednesday December 5, at St Aldhelm's Church Centre, Spa Road, between 4.30pm - 7pm.

People will be able to submit their comments on the plans until Sunday December 9, at 11pm. Then all the feedback will be collated and any amendments made before the formal planning application is submitted. nnewsdesk@dorsetecho.co.uk PANEL- Background WESSEX Delivery Partnership acquired the land surrounding the Bob Lucas Stadium from Wessex Park Limited in October 2008 for £500,000.

The company, which is linked to Morgan Sindall Investments, also possesses an option agreement with Weymouth FC on the current stadium and have been searching for possible sites to relocate the ground for the past four years - a move the Terras' board has backed strongly in recent times.

WDP has an option to acquire the Bob Lucas Stadium in exchange for providing a new stadium within five miles of the current ground; to be at a build cost of £7 million plus grants; and to be built to Football League standard.

WDP can exercise that option at any time up to 15 years from the date of the agreement in 2008.

Former club chief George Rolls, backed by current chairman Nigel Biddlecombe, then club secretary, and vice-chairman Mark Coleman, told supporters at a fans' forum back on October 1 of last year that the Terras 'would do everything they could to facilitate' such a move 'because that is what is best for the club.'

Rolls, Biddlecombe and Coleman also claimed at the meeting that a 4,000-seater stadium and any other profits made from the option agreement would help the club sustain a level of football it could afford.

However, Rolls did also say the option agreement would not be fully activated in its current form. He said: “There is an option agreement but realistically that is not going to happen.

“Every developer puts in the small print that everything has got to be financially viable and in this current climate we are not going to get £7million.”

Many Weymouth FC supporters are unhappy about the way Morgan Sindall and WDP acquired the land, which took place under the regime of controversial ex-Terras' chairman Malcolm Curtis.

The two companies also disappointed speedway fans after repossessing the site of the Weymouth Wildcats' former home in November 2010 following the club's failure to pay the rent.

Local businessman Harold Doonan tried to save the Wildcats in the months that followed but his offer of a new rental agreement was turned down by WDP who instead decided to leave the land unoccupied.

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9:42am Tue 20 Nov 12

stench says...

Goodbye WFC....

See you in the Dorset Saturday League soon!
Goodbye WFC.... See you in the Dorset Saturday League soon! stench

11:32am Tue 20 Nov 12

Crabber says...

Great News, hopefully they can negotiate a good package to enable them to clear any debts.
A ground with a Maximum Capacity to suit the clubs fan base around 1,500.. You will have a better ground than the Blues but you'll be in the same league .
Dorset Premier League
Great News, hopefully they can negotiate a good package to enable them to clear any debts. A ground with a Maximum Capacity to suit the clubs fan base around 1,500.. You will have a better ground than the Blues but you'll be in the same league . Dorset Premier League Crabber

11:46am Tue 20 Nov 12

Portland G says...

The headline on the front page of the echo readsb "Stadium shock". I don't see why. I am surprised it has taken this long to do something with the land, but I suppose they have had to design something. Any one in their right mind must have seen this coming. You don't leave prime land like this vacant for so long without good reason. Although I don't follow football I just hope the Terras get a good deal out of this and don't get seen off
The headline on the front page of the echo readsb "Stadium shock". I don't see why. I am surprised it has taken this long to do something with the land, but I suppose they have had to design something. Any one in their right mind must have seen this coming. You don't leave prime land like this vacant for so long without good reason. Although I don't follow football I just hope the Terras get a good deal out of this and don't get seen off Portland G

11:55am Tue 20 Nov 12

portlandboy says...

I don't have any concerns over the number of properties in the plans, but do the plans include some sort of additional resources for the local community such as the schools, doctors' surgeries and dentists etc? If the council planning dept could enforce the developers to donate an additional percentage of the development costs to such things, I think more people would accept large developments in their areas.
I don't have any concerns over the number of properties in the plans, but do the plans include some sort of additional resources for the local community such as the schools, doctors' surgeries and dentists etc? If the council planning dept could enforce the developers to donate an additional percentage of the development costs to such things, I think more people would accept large developments in their areas. portlandboy

12:01pm Tue 20 Nov 12

annotator1 says...

The town centre should be the place for the football groung.
The ASDA store ground sounds good to me ... ah yes, The Sydney Hall and Roller Skating on a Saturday morning ... The Football Ground and Raffles Club ... fights breaking out in the football ground between IQ challenged suporters ... all distant memories.
The town centre should be the place for the football groung. The ASDA store ground sounds good to me ... ah yes, The Sydney Hall and Roller Skating on a Saturday morning ... The Football Ground and Raffles Club ... fights breaking out in the football ground between IQ challenged suporters ... all distant memories. annotator1

12:34pm Tue 20 Nov 12

afcbJPR says...

I dont know the politics & finances behind this and everything esle that has gone before it with regard to The Terras but I do know that (with the exception of the view from the seats) there is precious little appealing about the Wessex Stadium.

If assurances are in place to build a new ground, surely it has to be better than what they currently have. And as for a location, anywhere is better than the edge of the Granby!
I dont know the politics & finances behind this and everything esle that has gone before it with regard to The Terras but I do know that (with the exception of the view from the seats) there is precious little appealing about the Wessex Stadium. If assurances are in place to build a new ground, surely it has to be better than what they currently have. And as for a location, anywhere is better than the edge of the Granby! afcbJPR

1:42pm Tue 20 Nov 12

acynic says...

Notwithstanding the inevitable politics from supporters and owners, I think everyone benefits from just such a move.
A brand new, accessible stadium would provide a great fillip for the club and it's players and supporters, a new start and something to be proud of.
The present Stadium site is ideal for a re-development on the scale of the one proposed. We've got to build somewhere and, if the plans achieve the standard of some of the newer developments in Weymouth, we have the perfect site for a new community.
Let's go for it!
Notwithstanding the inevitable politics from supporters and owners, I think everyone benefits from just such a move. A brand new, accessible stadium would provide a great fillip for the club and it's players and supporters, a new start and something to be proud of. The present Stadium site is ideal for a re-development on the scale of the one proposed. We've got to build somewhere and, if the plans achieve the standard of some of the newer developments in Weymouth, we have the perfect site for a new community. Let's go for it! acynic

2:01pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Trackerman says...

Just close WFC and be done with it!

Go to Dorchester FC the town where life is getting better.
Just close WFC and be done with it! Go to Dorchester FC the town where life is getting better. Trackerman

2:43pm Tue 20 Nov 12

tackleberry says...

At last WFC coming home, should never have gone to Dorchester, woops sorry West Dorset, 'same thing'. Now the problem is, that Dorchester lot lot has to grant planning for the Wessex, woops sorry again I ment West Dorset lot. Seems to me that has been the problem in the past, those northern lot don't want to pass planning that would help Weymouth. Pray we still have some brown envelopes left in the area after the Olympics.
At last WFC coming home, should never have gone to Dorchester, woops sorry West Dorset, 'same thing'. Now the problem is, that Dorchester lot lot has to grant planning for the Wessex, woops sorry again I ment West Dorset lot. Seems to me that has been the problem in the past, those northern lot don't want to pass planning that would help Weymouth. Pray we still have some brown envelopes left in the area after the Olympics. tackleberry

3:30pm Tue 20 Nov 12

bedpans says...

Merge Weymouth with Dorchesteter as this is the only sensible option.Neither side can really afford to compete at
their current levels so its time to look forward witout any silly bicketring.
The magpies ground will be quite sufficient for the numbers who now attend.This is a business opportunity and should not be passed by.
Merge Weymouth with Dorchesteter as this is the only sensible option.Neither side can really afford to compete at their current levels so its time to look forward witout any silly bicketring. The magpies ground will be quite sufficient for the numbers who now attend.This is a business opportunity and should not be passed by. bedpans

4:36pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Chav_Scum says...

bedpans wrote:
Merge Weymouth with Dorchesteter as this is the only sensible option.Neither side can really afford to compete at
their current levels so its time to look forward witout any silly bicketring.
The magpies ground will be quite sufficient for the numbers who now attend.This is a business opportunity and should not be passed by.
You must be joking? If you merged the Terras & Maggots you'd probably get even smaller crowds at the Avenue!
[quote][p][bold]bedpans[/bold] wrote: Merge Weymouth with Dorchesteter as this is the only sensible option.Neither side can really afford to compete at their current levels so its time to look forward witout any silly bicketring. The magpies ground will be quite sufficient for the numbers who now attend.This is a business opportunity and should not be passed by.[/p][/quote]You must be joking? If you merged the Terras & Maggots you'd probably get even smaller crowds at the Avenue! Chav_Scum

5:03pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Douglas Mc says...

Not all Chickerell residents welcome the 1200 new homes to be built already under the Local Plan as being far too many. They won't welcome any more especially with the loss of the allocated leisure land.

Are the Lodmoor sites proposed acceptable to W&P? Probably not.
Not all Chickerell residents welcome the 1200 new homes to be built already under the Local Plan as being far too many. They won't welcome any more especially with the loss of the allocated leisure land. Are the Lodmoor sites proposed acceptable to W&P? Probably not. Douglas Mc

5:13pm Tue 20 Nov 12

maximan says...

More worried about it being located next to Lodmoor dump, I can see the confusion that will be caused already
More worried about it being located next to Lodmoor dump, I can see the confusion that will be caused already maximan

6:26pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Caption Sensible says...

I like it!
I like it! Caption Sensible

6:41pm Tue 20 Nov 12

weymouthfox says...

Will Morgan Sindell really be allowed to build on the old rubbish tip? I can't see it myself and Weymouth Football Club may find themselves left homeless by the sharks.
Will Morgan Sindell really be allowed to build on the old rubbish tip? I can't see it myself and Weymouth Football Club may find themselves left homeless by the sharks. weymouthfox

7:37pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Caption Sensible says...

weymouthfox wrote:
Will Morgan Sindell really be allowed to build on the old rubbish tip? I can't see it myself and Weymouth Football Club may find themselves left homeless by the sharks.
It is a two-stage process. New ground first, then the housing.

Once thing is for certain; the club is going nowhere in its current location.
[quote][p][bold]weymouthfox[/bold] wrote: Will Morgan Sindell really be allowed to build on the old rubbish tip? I can't see it myself and Weymouth Football Club may find themselves left homeless by the sharks.[/p][/quote]It is a two-stage process. New ground first, then the housing. Once thing is for certain; the club is going nowhere in its current location. Caption Sensible

7:40pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Rodwellocal says...

I see the plan includes a village green. That bit is already in place on the site.
I see the plan includes a village green. That bit is already in place on the site. Rodwellocal

8:35pm Tue 20 Nov 12

bikemagic says...

Maybe the present location is not the best place for WFC and its supporters. But please some one tell me who on earth has deemed Lodmoor park area as suitable replacement location.

The proposed site is on one of the main routes into Weymouth, traffic would be a nightmare, not only that it would also be an eyesore and also it will be next to an area of scientific interest not to mention near an already built up residential area.

I appreciate that the WFC supporters would like to move to a better location but is it really about the supporters and WFC or is it really about he money that the land etc would generate for the owners of the land.

W&PBC please consider the majority of Weymouth residents and the visitors before making a rash decision that will indulge the wishes of a number of supporters and pick a more suitable site and not one right on the sea front.
Maybe the present location is not the best place for WFC and its supporters. But please some one tell me who on earth has deemed Lodmoor park area as suitable replacement location. The proposed site is on one of the main routes into Weymouth, traffic would be a nightmare, not only that it would also be an eyesore and also it will be next to an area of scientific interest not to mention near an already built up residential area. I appreciate that the WFC supporters would like to move to a better location but is it really about the supporters and WFC or is it really about he money that the land etc would generate for the owners of the land. W&PBC please consider the majority of Weymouth residents and the visitors before making a rash decision that will indulge the wishes of a number of supporters and pick a more suitable site and not one right on the sea front. bikemagic

9:40pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Get a grip says...

It will never happen.
It will never happen. Get a grip

9:41pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Mrs Grumps says...

Planned far too close to the nature reserve for my liking and, being a Chickerell resident, I don't want any more houses on the Chickerell side. There are too many planned here as it
is!
Planned far too close to the nature reserve for my liking and, being a Chickerell resident, I don't want any more houses on the Chickerell side. There are too many planned here as it is! Mrs Grumps

10:50pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

Lodmoor SHOULD have been left as I remember it in 1951, when I was 10, and roamed all over it, birdwatching. Now they want us - AND Nature - to have to put up with all the bellowing and cursing of society's lower orders, that seems inseparable from this dumb game....Perhaps if they could gag all the players and the fools who watch them, it mightn't be so bad - but there IS the serious traffic problem referred to by our friend Bikemagic above, and I also agree with Mrs Grump. Let's all hope that Get a grip's words will prove to be prophetic - though I would caution that humanoid stupidity IS limitless, and nowhere more so than when it comes from politicians or town/county councillors, ALL of whom would appear to be commerce-driven ....
Lodmoor SHOULD have been left as I remember it in 1951, when I was 10, and roamed all over it, birdwatching. Now they want us - AND Nature - to have to put up with all the bellowing and cursing of society's lower orders, that seems inseparable from this dumb game....Perhaps if they could gag all the players and the fools who watch them, it mightn't be so bad - but there IS the serious traffic problem referred to by our friend Bikemagic above, and I also agree with Mrs Grump. Let's all hope that Get a grip's words will prove to be prophetic - though I would caution that humanoid stupidity IS limitless, and nowhere more so than when it comes from politicians or town/county councillors, ALL of whom would appear to be commerce-driven .... Harpya Orkinus

8:50am Wed 21 Nov 12

PHonnor says...

Mrs Grumps wrote:
Planned far too close to the nature reserve for my liking and, being a Chickerell resident, I don't want any more houses on the Chickerell side. There are too many planned here as it is!
I remeber saying that when I grew up in Chickerell 30 years ago, before all the "new" housing, times change and people need housing. Instead of berating the idea of Lodmoor why dont people be constructive and actually come up with an alternative?
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Grumps[/bold] wrote: Planned far too close to the nature reserve for my liking and, being a Chickerell resident, I don't want any more houses on the Chickerell side. There are too many planned here as it is![/p][/quote]I remeber saying that when I grew up in Chickerell 30 years ago, before all the "new" housing, times change and people need housing. Instead of berating the idea of Lodmoor why dont people be constructive and actually come up with an alternative? PHonnor

11:01am Wed 21 Nov 12

Frank F says...

Why not knock down all the empty shops in Weymouth Town Centre and build it there instead. It will fill up Weymouth town instead of empty shops and it's central too.......;)
But seriously why does everything have to go on the other side of the town.All we get is houses and all the amenities and supermarkets are over the other side of town.If you don't have transport it's ASDA or bust as there are no buses going from Chickerell way or Fiveways to connect to the Dorchester road supermarkets and stores.Are we becoming the burbs out this way then or what?
Why not knock down all the empty shops in Weymouth Town Centre and build it there instead. It will fill up Weymouth town instead of empty shops and it's central too.......;) But seriously why does everything have to go on the other side of the town.All we get is houses and all the amenities and supermarkets are over the other side of town.If you don't have transport it's ASDA or bust as there are no buses going from Chickerell way or Fiveways to connect to the Dorchester road supermarkets and stores.Are we becoming the burbs out this way then or what? Frank F

11:26am Wed 21 Nov 12

westendcat says...

All sounds wonderful until negotiations start with Weymouth Council, the owners of Lodmoor? They could not do a property deal to save their lives.
All sounds wonderful until negotiations start with Weymouth Council, the owners of Lodmoor? They could not do a property deal to save their lives. westendcat

11:55am Wed 21 Nov 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

It's no good just keeping on saying "People need houses", and keep on building them as long as people mindlessly and uselessly persist in reproducing. Just look around the country - every single river estuary seems to have a port built on it. Waders and other birds NEED the estuaries for their food. This planet isn't just all about we aberrant chimpanzees, so we need to control
our numbers after a suitable reduction, by means of Population Control & Eugenics - it's the ONLY sane and logical way out of the mess we've made of the Earth. However, so long as we continue voting imbeciles into power, I don't suppose the necessary will happen anytime soon. David CaMORON recently said "Economics must come before everything else", in a speech to the Conspiracy of Braindead Imbeciles. Funny that - Drs Anne and Paul Ehrlich, both professors at Stanford University, specializing in these matters, said a few years ago: "When you hear a politician say that economics must come before ecology - you're listening to an idiot!!" As time goes by, children are going to suffer more and more from NDD, Nature Deficit Disorder, because so many thoughtless, self-centered people consider it socially acceptable to have more than one child - and THIS - FAR beyond anything else, is the ROOT CAUSE OF EVERY PROBLEM FACING US TODAY. Lack of housing, increased road accident rates, social tensions and violence, loss of countryside and Wildlife, starvation, war - it's ALL down to excessive numbers. And there are currently around 70 times more people in the UK than there should be on the entire planet. Remember: "One million = a species - SEVEN THOUSAND million = vermin." Ask any naturalist !! Ask Sir David Attenborough whether he would argue against my statement - go on, anyone who knows his phone number - just ask him !!
It's no good just keeping on saying "People need houses", and keep on building them as long as people mindlessly and uselessly persist in reproducing. Just look around the country - every single river estuary seems to have a port built on it. Waders and other birds NEED the estuaries for their food. This planet isn't just all about we aberrant chimpanzees, so we need to control our numbers after a suitable reduction, by means of Population Control & Eugenics - it's the ONLY sane and logical way out of the mess we've made of the Earth. However, so long as we continue voting imbeciles into power, I don't suppose the necessary will happen anytime soon. David CaMORON recently said "Economics must come before everything else", in a speech to the Conspiracy of Braindead Imbeciles. Funny that - Drs Anne and Paul Ehrlich, both professors at Stanford University, specializing in these matters, said a few years ago: "When you hear a politician say that economics must come before ecology - you're listening to an idiot!!" As time goes by, children are going to suffer more and more from NDD, Nature Deficit Disorder, because so many thoughtless, self-centered people consider it socially acceptable to have more than one child - and THIS - FAR beyond anything else, is the ROOT CAUSE OF EVERY PROBLEM FACING US TODAY. Lack of housing, increased road accident rates, social tensions and violence, loss of countryside and Wildlife, starvation, war - it's ALL down to excessive numbers. And there are currently around 70 times more people in the UK than there should be on the entire planet. Remember: "One million = a species - SEVEN THOUSAND million = vermin." Ask any naturalist !! Ask Sir David Attenborough whether he would argue against my statement - go on, anyone who knows his phone number - just ask him !! Harpya Orkinus

12:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Caption Sensible says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
It's no good just keeping on saying "People need houses", and keep on building them as long as people mindlessly and uselessly persist in reproducing. Just look around the country - every single river estuary seems to have a port built on it. Waders and other birds NEED the estuaries for their food. This planet isn't just all about we aberrant chimpanzees, so we need to control our numbers after a suitable reduction, by means of Population Control & Eugenics - it's the ONLY sane and logical way out of the mess we've made of the Earth. However, so long as we continue voting imbeciles into power, I don't suppose the necessary will happen anytime soon. David CaMORON recently said "Economics must come before everything else", in a speech to the Conspiracy of Braindead Imbeciles. Funny that - Drs Anne and Paul Ehrlich, both professors at Stanford University, specializing in these matters, said a few years ago: "When you hear a politician say that economics must come before ecology - you're listening to an idiot!!" As time goes by, children are going to suffer more and more from NDD, Nature Deficit Disorder, because so many thoughtless, self-centered people consider it socially acceptable to have more than one child - and THIS - FAR beyond anything else, is the ROOT CAUSE OF EVERY PROBLEM FACING US TODAY. Lack of housing, increased road accident rates, social tensions and violence, loss of countryside and Wildlife, starvation, war - it's ALL down to excessive numbers. And there are currently around 70 times more people in the UK than there should be on the entire planet. Remember: "One million = a species - SEVEN THOUSAND million = vermin." Ask any naturalist !! Ask Sir David Attenborough whether he would argue against my statement - go on, anyone who knows his phone number - just ask him !!
It is hard to know where to start with a mindset such as yours, but here goes…

Are you a Sierra Club, Council on Foreign Relations, WWF, FoE or Greenpeace member by any chance?

I take it you will be first in the queue when implementing your eugenics programme? You know, leading the way and all that… Hitler was in complete agreement with your philosophy by the way and would have approved wholeheartedly with your plans.

The fact that both you and I are still here completely discredits Paul Ehrlich’s hypothesis – do you not think?

Anyway, I am sure the Echo editor is grateful for your rational response to the plan to build a new football stadium and provide homes for “aberrant chimpanzees”. Why not make it a 99% reduction in the “vermin” and be done with it?

I will inform the asylum that you have escaped once again!
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: It's no good just keeping on saying "People need houses", and keep on building them as long as people mindlessly and uselessly persist in reproducing. Just look around the country - every single river estuary seems to have a port built on it. Waders and other birds NEED the estuaries for their food. This planet isn't just all about we aberrant chimpanzees, so we need to control our numbers after a suitable reduction, by means of Population Control & Eugenics - it's the ONLY sane and logical way out of the mess we've made of the Earth. However, so long as we continue voting imbeciles into power, I don't suppose the necessary will happen anytime soon. David CaMORON recently said "Economics must come before everything else", in a speech to the Conspiracy of Braindead Imbeciles. Funny that - Drs Anne and Paul Ehrlich, both professors at Stanford University, specializing in these matters, said a few years ago: "When you hear a politician say that economics must come before ecology - you're listening to an idiot!!" As time goes by, children are going to suffer more and more from NDD, Nature Deficit Disorder, because so many thoughtless, self-centered people consider it socially acceptable to have more than one child - and THIS - FAR beyond anything else, is the ROOT CAUSE OF EVERY PROBLEM FACING US TODAY. Lack of housing, increased road accident rates, social tensions and violence, loss of countryside and Wildlife, starvation, war - it's ALL down to excessive numbers. And there are currently around 70 times more people in the UK than there should be on the entire planet. Remember: "One million = a species - SEVEN THOUSAND million = vermin." Ask any naturalist !! Ask Sir David Attenborough whether he would argue against my statement - go on, anyone who knows his phone number - just ask him !![/p][/quote]It is hard to know where to start with a mindset such as yours, but here goes… Are you a Sierra Club, Council on Foreign Relations, WWF, FoE or Greenpeace member by any chance? I take it you will be first in the queue when implementing your eugenics programme? You know, leading the way and all that… Hitler was in complete agreement with your philosophy by the way and would have approved wholeheartedly with your plans. The fact that both you and I are still here completely discredits Paul Ehrlich’s hypothesis – do you not think? Anyway, I am sure the Echo editor is grateful for your rational response to the plan to build a new football stadium and provide homes for “aberrant chimpanzees”. Why not make it a 99% reduction in the “vermin” and be done with it? I will inform the asylum that you have escaped once again! Caption Sensible

1:18pm Wed 21 Nov 12

tarka says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Lodmoor SHOULD have been left as I remember it in 1951, when I was 10, and roamed all over it, birdwatching. Now they want us - AND Nature - to have to put up with all the bellowing and cursing of society's lower orders, that seems inseparable from this dumb game....Perhaps if they could gag all the players and the fools who watch them, it mightn't be so bad - but there IS the serious traffic problem referred to by our friend Bikemagic above, and I also agree with Mrs Grump. Let's all hope that Get a grip's words will prove to be prophetic - though I would caution that humanoid stupidity IS limitless, and nowhere more so than when it comes from politicians or town/county councillors, ALL of whom would appear to be commerce-driven ....
I am not a football follower but I can respect the pleasure supporters get from the game.

They say we should respect our senior citizens and I concur with that belief but when I read a reply like this narrow minded backward thinking biased point of view that is downright insulting to the majority of football supporter’s I question my compassion.

You may want to return to the 1950’s but I sure most people would not. I prefer to enjoy the benefits of progress and the satisfaction of knowing the better future my children will have.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Lodmoor SHOULD have been left as I remember it in 1951, when I was 10, and roamed all over it, birdwatching. Now they want us - AND Nature - to have to put up with all the bellowing and cursing of society's lower orders, that seems inseparable from this dumb game....Perhaps if they could gag all the players and the fools who watch them, it mightn't be so bad - but there IS the serious traffic problem referred to by our friend Bikemagic above, and I also agree with Mrs Grump. Let's all hope that Get a grip's words will prove to be prophetic - though I would caution that humanoid stupidity IS limitless, and nowhere more so than when it comes from politicians or town/county councillors, ALL of whom would appear to be commerce-driven ....[/p][/quote]I am not a football follower but I can respect the pleasure supporters get from the game. They say we should respect our senior citizens and I concur with that belief but when I read a reply like this narrow minded backward thinking biased point of view that is downright insulting to the majority of football supporter’s I question my compassion. You may want to return to the 1950’s but I sure most people would not. I prefer to enjoy the benefits of progress and the satisfaction of knowing the better future my children will have. tarka

1:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

The truth seems to have upset you, Caption "Ostrich" Sensible!! Not sure quite what inspired the "Sensible" bit !! Do you really despise children so much you would see them deprived of Nature - the only thing that makes it worthwhile living on this beleaguered planet ?? All things, as they say, in moderation - and 7billion is WAY beyond moderation. For the record, I am a 71 year old vegetarian woman who had enough imagination to think of a hobby that didn't involve pushing a pram. The idle-thinking, of course, always drag up the late lamented Fuhrer into any intelligent discussion on ways of achieving a sane and sustainable balance of hominid numbers in keeping with the size of the planet and the 10 million-odd other species with whom we are supposed to be sharing it. I DID say "Ask any naturalist" - meaning someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to life on Earth. Clearly you do not come within this bracket, and must therefore, regrettably, fit within the one covered by my axiom: "ALL children are born retards - then the more intelligent and perceptive among them develop an interest and passion for Nature, and are retards no longer."
What you and so many others of restricted intellectual endowment - which of course includes most 'businessmen', politicians and councillors - need to recognise is that you can't just keep on destroying your country/planet forever to match your economic greed and rising numbers - it may have escaped your/their notice, but we're all living on a finite planet, and we've already robbed the other species of many, many times our rightful share - which is why species are now becoming extinct at the rate of 3 per hour. That's 72 every single day - 26,280 per year. ALL BECAUSE OF "Homo horribilis ignoramus" and his obsession with QUANTITY rather than QUALITY ..!!
The truth seems to have upset you, Caption "Ostrich" Sensible!! Not sure quite what inspired the "Sensible" bit !! Do you really despise children so much you would see them deprived of Nature - the only thing that makes it worthwhile living on this beleaguered planet ?? All things, as they say, in moderation - and 7billion is WAY beyond moderation. For the record, I am a 71 year old vegetarian woman who had enough imagination to think of a hobby that didn't involve pushing a pram. The idle-thinking, of course, always drag up the late lamented Fuhrer into any intelligent discussion on ways of achieving a sane and sustainable balance of hominid numbers in keeping with the size of the planet and the 10 million-odd other species with whom we are supposed to be sharing it. I DID say "Ask any naturalist" - meaning someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to life on Earth. Clearly you do not come within this bracket, and must therefore, regrettably, fit within the one covered by my axiom: "ALL children are born retards - then the more intelligent and perceptive among them develop an interest and passion for Nature, and are retards no longer." What you and so many others of restricted intellectual endowment - which of course includes most 'businessmen', politicians and councillors - need to recognise is that you can't just keep on destroying your country/planet forever to match your economic greed and rising numbers - it may have escaped your/their notice, but we're all living on a finite planet, and we've already robbed the other species of many, many times our rightful share - which is why species are now becoming extinct at the rate of 3 per hour. That's 72 every single day - 26,280 per year. ALL BECAUSE OF "Homo horribilis ignoramus" and his obsession with QUANTITY rather than QUALITY ..!! Harpya Orkinus

1:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Khazimodo says...

Harpya Orkinus --- more like Panurus biarmicus
Harpya Orkinus --- more like Panurus biarmicus Khazimodo

2:49pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

Well, the Bearded Reedling is certainly a most attractive local species - though what connection it may have with myself is a little baffling. Perhaps an esoteric/cryptic link between "Bearded" and "Wisdom" ?? But I assure you, my selected name is vastly more appropriate - even if it does make the unlikely link between a bird and a cetacean ....:-)
Well, the Bearded Reedling is certainly a most attractive local species - though what connection it may have with myself is a little baffling. Perhaps an esoteric/cryptic link between "Bearded" and "Wisdom" ?? But I assure you, my selected name is vastly more appropriate - even if it does make the unlikely link between a bird and a cetacean ....:-) Harpya Orkinus

3:24pm Wed 21 Nov 12

sandman223 says...

Well I for one am bored of Harpya Orkinus's narrow minded comments............
Well I for one am bored of Harpya Orkinus's narrow minded comments............ sandman223

3:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Khazimodo says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Well, the Bearded Reedling is certainly a most attractive local species - though what connection it may have with myself is a little baffling. Perhaps an esoteric/cryptic link between "Bearded" and "Wisdom" ?? But I assure you, my selected name is vastly more appropriate - even if it does make the unlikely link between a bird and a cetacean ....:-)
Ah well you would call it a reedling if you checked it on Wikipedia...but it is obviously not the name used by the RSPB etc
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Well, the Bearded Reedling is certainly a most attractive local species - though what connection it may have with myself is a little baffling. Perhaps an esoteric/cryptic link between "Bearded" and "Wisdom" ?? But I assure you, my selected name is vastly more appropriate - even if it does make the unlikely link between a bird and a cetacean ....:-)[/p][/quote]Ah well you would call it a reedling if you checked it on Wikipedia...but it is obviously not the name used by the RSPB etc Khazimodo

4:01pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Get a grip says...

westendcat wrote:
All sounds wonderful until negotiations start with Weymouth Council, the owners of Lodmoor? They could not do a property deal to save their lives.
You make a good point, it was only the other week that the Echo reported that Weymouth Council had got themselves in a mix about the beach office.
[quote][p][bold]westendcat[/bold] wrote: All sounds wonderful until negotiations start with Weymouth Council, the owners of Lodmoor? They could not do a property deal to save their lives.[/p][/quote]You make a good point, it was only the other week that the Echo reported that Weymouth Council had got themselves in a mix about the beach office. Get a grip

4:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

westendcat says...

Get a Grip ..........what's the story about the beach office then? We need to have all the dodgy deals in the open.
Get a Grip ..........what's the story about the beach office then? We need to have all the dodgy deals in the open. westendcat

5:06pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

@ Khazimodo: You surely didn't think I would NEED to check what Panurus was on Wiki, did you ?? I've seen them often enough !! :-)
I think I'll leave this little hotbed now, though - the words "Pearls" and "Swine" spring all too readily to mind. Just don't anyone ever say I didn't try to kick a few minds into gear first - but I suppose that's rather a difficult task when alleged 'minds' are running on empty. And as for "narrow-minded" - that's the hallmark of the unthinking masses, who think only of their own material interests, and is the chief evil against which I fight. MY philosophy has ALWAYS been "Earth First!" since it is the ecology of Earth that keeps us all alive - for now !! Ignorance, which you all seem to regard as a virtue, is unravelling all that and destroying all the life-systems. Not something your average joe - or football fan - ever finds crossing his "mind"! As movie critic Mark Kermode said once on TV: "Culture is anything in the world except football!!" If we MUST have some kind of sports facility on the old tip, why not an Archery range - at least THAT'S a sport with some POINT to it - and spectators are not given to uncouth bellowing. Huh - SHEEPLE !! "Beh-heh-he-heh-heh!
!"
@ Khazimodo: You surely didn't think I would NEED to check what Panurus was on Wiki, did you ?? I've seen them often enough !! :-) I think I'll leave this little hotbed now, though - the words "Pearls" and "Swine" spring all too readily to mind. Just don't anyone ever say I didn't try to kick a few minds into gear first - but I suppose that's rather a difficult task when alleged 'minds' are running on empty. And as for "narrow-minded" - that's the hallmark of the unthinking masses, who think only of their own material interests, and is the chief evil against which I fight. MY philosophy has ALWAYS been "Earth First!" since it is the ecology of Earth that keeps us all alive - for now !! Ignorance, which you all seem to regard as a virtue, is unravelling all that and destroying all the life-systems. Not something your average joe - or football fan - ever finds crossing his "mind"! As movie critic Mark Kermode said once on TV: "Culture is anything in the world except football!!" If we MUST have some kind of sports facility on the old tip, why not an Archery range - at least THAT'S a sport with some POINT to it - and spectators are not given to uncouth bellowing. Huh - SHEEPLE !! "Beh-heh-he-heh-heh! !" Harpya Orkinus

5:17pm Wed 21 Nov 12

sandman223 says...

How has archery got more POINT to it than football?? silly comment!!

You also say: "ALL children are born retards - then the more intelligent and perceptive among them develop an interest and passion for Nature, and are retards no longer."

and then later.....

And as for "narrow-minded" - that's the hallmark of the unthinking masses, who think only of their own material interests, and is the chief evil against which I fight.

Contradiction i think!!! So because you disagree everyone else should??

Go and give your "narrow mind" a rest!!
How has archery got more POINT to it than football?? silly comment!! You also say: "ALL children are born retards - then the more intelligent and perceptive among them develop an interest and passion for Nature, and are retards no longer." and then later..... And as for "narrow-minded" - that's the hallmark of the unthinking masses, who think only of their own material interests, and is the chief evil against which I fight. Contradiction i think!!! So because you disagree everyone else should?? Go and give your "narrow mind" a rest!! sandman223

7:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Warren Roof says...

Clear the club of the parasites and start again. Put the club back in the hands of the fans or someone who isn't driven by personal gain. Just build a ground fit for purpose and the crowd that will attend. #ifyoubuildittheywil
lcome
Clear the club of the parasites and start again. Put the club back in the hands of the fans or someone who isn't driven by personal gain. Just build a ground fit for purpose and the crowd that will attend. #ifyoubuildittheywil lcome Warren Roof

8:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Caption Sensible says...

Definition of an Eco-fascist

A person who uses the unsubstantiated beliefs and sentiments of environmentalism to impose their political will onto the scientifically illiterate public to inflate their megalomanic sense of power. Usually at the public's detriment.

Eco-fascists are the de facto crusaders of what has become the religion of the political left; that is environmentalism. They use the guise of dogooderism and the pretense of being some kind of environmental saviour to justify their economically destructive actions much the same way Hitler did to justify his actions.

In the US Nancy Pelosi is acting as an eco-fascist by voting down congressional efforts to allocate water resources to California farmers who have historically been given access to these resources in favor of the delta smelt (a fish) that had been put on the "threatened" species list; thus favouring the fish over humankinds need to grow food.

Al Gore is one of the most notable and dogmatic eco-fascists for preaching his prophecy of "Truth" for his own self-agrandizement and his obvious agenda of demonizing the oil barons that defeated his political aspirations to the US Presidency, which he clearly felt entitled to.
Definition of an Eco-fascist A person who uses the unsubstantiated beliefs and sentiments of environmentalism to impose their political will onto the scientifically illiterate public to inflate their megalomanic sense of power. Usually at the public's detriment. Eco-fascists are the de facto crusaders of what has become the religion of the political left; that is environmentalism. They use the guise of dogooderism and the pretense of being some kind of environmental saviour to justify their economically destructive actions much the same way Hitler did to justify his actions. In the US Nancy Pelosi is acting as an eco-fascist by voting down congressional efforts to allocate water resources to California farmers who have historically been given access to these resources in favor of the delta smelt (a fish) that had been put on the "threatened" species list; thus favouring the fish over humankinds need to grow food. Al Gore is one of the most notable and dogmatic eco-fascists for preaching his prophecy of "Truth" for his own self-agrandizement and his obvious agenda of demonizing the oil barons that defeated his political aspirations to the US Presidency, which he clearly felt entitled to. Caption Sensible

8:14pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Get a grip says...

westendcat wrote:
Get a Grip ..........what's the story about the beach office then? We need to have all the dodgy deals in the open.
Westendcat It was all in the Echo but what we need to know is what is hidden from us.

Lack of proper maintenance, and keeping properties empty.
[quote][p][bold]westendcat[/bold] wrote: Get a Grip ..........what's the story about the beach office then? We need to have all the dodgy deals in the open.[/p][/quote]Westendcat It was all in the Echo but what we need to know is what is hidden from us. Lack of proper maintenance, and keeping properties empty. Get a grip

8:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Chav_Scum says...

I just love that as 'proof' that football fans are numbskulls we have a quote from some film critic?! How bizarre... Perhaps we should double check with that well known thicko - and avid Norwich supporter - Stephen Fry? Or maybe David Attenborough's brother Richard - yes, that incredibly 'uncouth' actor, film director, producer - and also former director of and now honorary Life President at Chelsea FC?
Harpya, whilst you post under the veil of an 'Earth First' philosophy (& I concede, beyond the aggression you make some valid points) your manner is screaming 'Ego First'!! You will never educate anyone by first stereotyping them as the 'unthinking masses', especially whilst you then go on to post completely unthinking statements yourself!
I just love that as 'proof' that football fans are numbskulls we have a quote from some film critic?! How bizarre... Perhaps we should double check with that well known thicko - and avid Norwich supporter - Stephen Fry? Or maybe David Attenborough's brother Richard - yes, that incredibly 'uncouth' actor, film director, producer - and also former director of and now honorary Life President at Chelsea FC? Harpya, whilst you post under the veil of an 'Earth First' philosophy (& I concede, beyond the aggression you make some valid points) your manner is screaming 'Ego First'!! You will never educate anyone by first stereotyping them as the 'unthinking masses', especially whilst you then go on to post completely unthinking statements yourself! Chav_Scum

10:05pm Wed 21 Nov 12

212 dorset says...

Another Echo non story, as this move will not happen.
Another Echo non story, as this move will not happen. 212 dorset

8:21am Thu 22 Nov 12

satisfecho says...

Chav_Scum wrote:
I just love that as 'proof' that football fans are numbskulls we have a quote from some film critic?! How bizarre... Perhaps we should double check with that well known thicko - and avid Norwich supporter - Stephen Fry? Or maybe David Attenborough's brother Richard - yes, that incredibly 'uncouth' actor, film director, producer - and also former director of and now honorary Life President at Chelsea FC?
Harpya, whilst you post under the veil of an 'Earth First' philosophy (& I concede, beyond the aggression you make some valid points) your manner is screaming 'Ego First'!! You will never educate anyone by first stereotyping them as the 'unthinking masses', especially whilst you then go on to post completely unthinking statements yourself!
Before classing football supporters as 'numbskulls' how many posting are actually Weymouth FC supporters?

To me, does not look like many.
[quote][p][bold]Chav_Scum[/bold] wrote: I just love that as 'proof' that football fans are numbskulls we have a quote from some film critic?! How bizarre... Perhaps we should double check with that well known thicko - and avid Norwich supporter - Stephen Fry? Or maybe David Attenborough's brother Richard - yes, that incredibly 'uncouth' actor, film director, producer - and also former director of and now honorary Life President at Chelsea FC? Harpya, whilst you post under the veil of an 'Earth First' philosophy (& I concede, beyond the aggression you make some valid points) your manner is screaming 'Ego First'!! You will never educate anyone by first stereotyping them as the 'unthinking masses', especially whilst you then go on to post completely unthinking statements yourself![/p][/quote]Before classing football supporters as 'numbskulls' how many posting are actually Weymouth FC supporters? To me, does not look like many. satisfecho

7:54pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Get a grip says...

Get a grip wrote:
westendcat wrote:
Get a Grip ..........what's the story about the beach office then? We need to have all the dodgy deals in the open.
Westendcat It was all in the Echo but what we need to know is what is hidden from us.

Lack of proper maintenance, and keeping properties empty.
A friend reminded me today, that the Weymouth Property Team advertised a opportunity to sell ice cream at Greenhill last Summer.

Who could mess this simple deal up, well they managed to do so.

You needed planning consent to correctly operate the opportunity.

But as the team had waited too late to advertise the deal there was no time left to apply in time.

If they could not even let a simple ice cream deal, what chance have they to conclude a major project like this?
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westendcat[/bold] wrote: Get a Grip ..........what's the story about the beach office then? We need to have all the dodgy deals in the open.[/p][/quote]Westendcat It was all in the Echo but what we need to know is what is hidden from us. Lack of proper maintenance, and keeping properties empty.[/p][/quote]A friend reminded me today, that the Weymouth Property Team advertised a opportunity to sell ice cream at Greenhill last Summer. Who could mess this simple deal up, well they managed to do so. You needed planning consent to correctly operate the opportunity. But as the team had waited too late to advertise the deal there was no time left to apply in time. If they could not even let a simple ice cream deal, what chance have they to conclude a major project like this? Get a grip

1:09am Fri 23 Nov 12

simon26r says...

Should have sold it to asda. Then made them pay for a new football club. Could have made millions.. Then jammed even more houses on the little car parking space at littlemoor. Then again the park and ride could house a few homes and save even more money.
Should have sold it to asda. Then made them pay for a new football club. Could have made millions.. Then jammed even more houses on the little car parking space at littlemoor. Then again the park and ride could house a few homes and save even more money. simon26r

1:30am Fri 23 Nov 12

Harpya Orkinus says...

The reason archery has some point - apart from the obvious pun in the statement - is that it has immense survival value, either in combat or, if you are of carnivorous leanings - to garner fresh meat or fish. In my pre-vegetarian days, I took a great many fish of at least 5 species with my bow, in both fresh and salt water. As regards football, I frequently heard my late father snort in amused contempt at the very notion of '22 grown men kicking a bladder of air around a field'. If, as a past partner averred: 'You're allowed to do any sport you like in this country - but it MUST involve a ball!', it seems a pity that a better choice couldn't have been made, such as baseball, which has an almost mystical charisma about it, going all the way back to Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio and, for all I know, further back even than that. Funny how I seem to draw so much negative flak whenever I comment on Echo features - only today a Swedish friend commented on one of my FB posts "You're spot on again - as usual!" and a day or so ago she said "You've hit it right on the nail!" She's not alone, either - similar appreciation comes in on a daily basis from Pretoria, France, California, Florida, India and a host of other locations. So, is it just Weymouth folk - or are most commenters on this thread into football ?
A final point, to Khazimodo: I call the Bearded Reedling such for the simple reason that it is not a member of the Paridae but the Panuridae - therefore it is incorrect to call it a 'Tit', especially since its nearest relatives are, astonishingly, the Larks. I am still baffled as to why you think its name would be appropriate to myself??
The reason archery has some point - apart from the obvious pun in the statement - is that it has immense survival value, either in combat or, if you are of carnivorous leanings - to garner fresh meat or fish. In my pre-vegetarian days, I took a great many fish of at least 5 species with my bow, in both fresh and salt water. As regards football, I frequently heard my late father snort in amused contempt at the very notion of '22 grown men kicking a bladder of air around a field'. If, as a past partner averred: 'You're allowed to do any sport you like in this country - but it MUST involve a ball!', it seems a pity that a better choice couldn't have been made, such as baseball, which has an almost mystical charisma about it, going all the way back to Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio and, for all I know, further back even than that. Funny how I seem to draw so much negative flak whenever I comment on Echo features - only today a Swedish friend commented on one of my FB posts "You're spot on again - as usual!" and a day or so ago she said "You've hit it right on the nail!" She's not alone, either - similar appreciation comes in on a daily basis from Pretoria, France, California, Florida, India and a host of other locations. So, is it just Weymouth folk - or are most commenters on this thread into football ? A final point, to Khazimodo: I call the Bearded Reedling such for the simple reason that it is not a member of the Paridae but the Panuridae - therefore it is incorrect to call it a 'Tit', especially since its nearest relatives are, astonishingly, the Larks. I am still baffled as to why you think its name would be appropriate to myself?? Harpya Orkinus

10:09am Fri 23 Nov 12

tarka says...

Harpya Orkinus

Pretoria, France, California, Florida, India YOU CHOOSE I WILL HELP YOU IMIGRATE

Bows and arrows !!

Have you always been a cabbage or just since you became a vegetarian

I do not know what planet you are on but it is not this one
Harpya Orkinus Pretoria, France, California, Florida, India YOU CHOOSE I WILL HELP YOU IMIGRATE Bows and arrows !! Have you always been a cabbage or just since you became a vegetarian I do not know what planet you are on but it is not this one tarka

1:16pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Hedgehogspring says...

Portland G wrote:
The headline on the front page of the echo readsb "Stadium shock". I don't see why. I am surprised it has taken this long to do something with the land, but I suppose they have had to design something. Any one in their right mind must have seen this coming. You don't leave prime land like this vacant for so long without good reason. Although I don't follow football I just hope the Terras get a good deal out of this and don't get seen off
"The headline on the front page of the echo reads "Stadium shock" "

Well of course it does, haven't you noticed Echo journalists are in a constant state of shock about everything that happens. "Residents SHOCKED at trouble in Littlemoor !!"..."SHOCK as roadworks cause traffic CHAOS !!"....."Heavy rain causes flooding SHOCK!!".....
That kind of thing. Its how the Echo journalists see the world....one shock at a time.
[quote][p][bold]Portland G[/bold] wrote: The headline on the front page of the echo readsb "Stadium shock". I don't see why. I am surprised it has taken this long to do something with the land, but I suppose they have had to design something. Any one in their right mind must have seen this coming. You don't leave prime land like this vacant for so long without good reason. Although I don't follow football I just hope the Terras get a good deal out of this and don't get seen off[/p][/quote]"The headline on the front page of the echo reads "Stadium shock" " Well of course it does, haven't you noticed Echo journalists are in a constant state of shock about everything that happens. "Residents SHOCKED at trouble in Littlemoor !!"..."SHOCK as roadworks cause traffic CHAOS !!"....."Heavy rain causes flooding SHOCK!!"..... That kind of thing. Its how the Echo journalists see the world....one shock at a time. Hedgehogspring

5:28pm Sun 25 Nov 12

mazandkaz says...

I seem to remember, not too long ago, proposals for WFC to move to Monmouth Avenue in the grounds of the rugby club. How much time and money was wasted in that little venture? I won't hold my breath in respect of the new "venture".
I seem to remember, not too long ago, proposals for WFC to move to Monmouth Avenue in the grounds of the rugby club. How much time and money was wasted in that little venture? I won't hold my breath in respect of the new "venture". mazandkaz

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