Council workers to get their own bus as Weymouth to Dorchester park and ride is axed

LAST STOP: The X11 bus arrives at the Mount Pleasant Park and Ride in Weymouth

LAST STOP: The X11 bus arrives at the Mount Pleasant Park and Ride in Weymouth

First published in News Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

A PUBLIC park and ride service between Weymouth and Dorchester will be axed at the end of the month – but council workers will get their own minibus service instead.

West Dorset District Council said it will trial the minibus for three months but that it is not possible to work out what the cost would be to the taxpayer.

The X11 service, which leaders say was only a temporary measure during the development of West Dorset District Council’s controversial new offices in Dorchester’s Charles Street, will end on January 31.

The minibus will operate between the Mount Pleasant Park and Ride Site in Weymouth and Dorchester for district council employees.

West Dorset District Council Leader Robert Gould said: “The X11 service was introduced as a temporary measure while part of the Charles Street car park was unavailable during the construction of the new offices for West Dorset District Council and the new library and adult learning centre built for Dorset County Council. The building work is now complete and the X11 service will end on 31 January."

A Dorchester Town councillor has criticised the decision to lay on the minibus service for council staff who have seen their place of work move from Weymouth to Dorchester.

Coun David Taylor said: “I was a bit surprised to hear they are suspending the park and ride and putting in its place mini buses so the council workers are going to keep using the park and ride facilities and get ferried to and from work. This seems an outrageous waste of taxpayers’ funds to benefit and give more perks to council employees. I thought the role of West Dorset District Council was to serve its community and not the other way around.

“This regime seems to be out of touch with community needs and also should help with business and community, making travel easier and cheaper instead of once again removing a vital link between Dorchester and Weymouth.”

But the joint council partnership said it has saved £2m in the merge and the minibus service for its workers will be ‘green and cost effective’.

David Evans, director of environment for West Dorset District Council and Weymouth & Portland Borough Council, said: “The shared service partnership between the councils has saved local taxpayers £2 million a year and enabled both councils to protect essential services at a time when our funding from Government is falling.

“The two councils now share one workforce and many staff have seen their base location change or are required to travel between Weymouth and Dorchester.

“Providing a minibus service at peak times is a green and cost effective way to get staff who have a new work base to and from work.”

n The normal park and ride services from Mount Pleasant in to Weymouh are not affected.

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11:27am Fri 18 Jan 13

Isosceles says...

If you're employed and you receive non-cash benefits from your employer you will have to pay tax on them.
The workers using this service will be declaring it to HMRC, won't they?
Perhaps a quiet word to HMRC by a 'whistle-blower' might suffice.
http://www.hmrc.gov.
uk/reportingfraud/on
line.htm
If you're employed and you receive non-cash benefits from your employer you will have to pay tax on them. The workers using this service will be declaring it to HMRC, won't they? Perhaps a quiet word to HMRC by a 'whistle-blower' might suffice. http://www.hmrc.gov. uk/reportingfraud/on line.htm Isosceles
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11:34am Fri 18 Jan 13

Dorset Boy says...

Once again the Gould/Clark duo have shown scant regard for their employers, us the tax payers, it's a disgrace that they can get away with mis-use of our money. Is it possible I can have free use of the park and ride if I wish to go to Weymouth? I don't think so somehow.
Once again the Gould/Clark duo have shown scant regard for their employers, us the tax payers, it's a disgrace that they can get away with mis-use of our money. Is it possible I can have free use of the park and ride if I wish to go to Weymouth? I don't think so somehow. Dorset Boy
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11:43am Fri 18 Jan 13

tarka says...

Why not give out free hot drinks and bacon rolls on the bus they could save on buying breakfast as well.
Why not give out free hot drinks and bacon rolls on the bus they could save on buying breakfast as well. tarka
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11:53am Fri 18 Jan 13

portland rebel says...

once again this council has forgotten that they are there to serve the public, not for the public to serve the council.
if this was a private company moving from weymouth to dorch would the company do this for their employees, NO. so why when a council that is removing bus passes and services pandering to its staff.
absolutley disgusting.
once again this council has forgotten that they are there to serve the public, not for the public to serve the council. if this was a private company moving from weymouth to dorch would the company do this for their employees, NO. so why when a council that is removing bus passes and services pandering to its staff. absolutley disgusting. portland rebel
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11:55am Fri 18 Jan 13

shy talk says...

Will pensioners with bus passes, be able to use the bus service before nine as well?
Will pensioners with bus passes, be able to use the bus service before nine as well? shy talk
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12:35pm Fri 18 Jan 13

old-mo says...

With-hold your council tax till this council get a grip on themselves...

And stop wasting tax payers money...

Disgusting miss use of money...

Any other firm relocating give employee`s the chance of relocating, selling there home and buying or find a new job...
With-hold your council tax till this council get a grip on themselves... And stop wasting tax payers money... Disgusting miss use of money... Any other firm relocating give employee`s the chance of relocating, selling there home and buying or find a new job... old-mo
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4:10pm Fri 18 Jan 13

weymouthfox says...

Economies and cuts are things the council pushes onto the populace, while it carries on its profligate ways. First the South Walks Palace, now a free bus for Council employees to get to it. Meanwhile poor pensioners will have to pay the busfare to get to hospital before 9.30am. You hypocrites!
Economies and cuts are things the council pushes onto the populace, while it carries on its profligate ways. First the South Walks Palace, now a free bus for Council employees to get to it. Meanwhile poor pensioners will have to pay the busfare to get to hospital before 9.30am. You hypocrites! weymouthfox
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4:27pm Fri 18 Jan 13

bootedsw says...

whilst it does sound wrong relocation expenses might be in these peoples T&C's. When my job was transfered by my private employer from weymouth to winfrith i got excess fares for the difference in my daily costs. By running a bus it might be cheaper for them. Also the story does not say if the service will be free or just subsidised.
whilst it does sound wrong relocation expenses might be in these peoples T&C's. When my job was transfered by my private employer from weymouth to winfrith i got excess fares for the difference in my daily costs. By running a bus it might be cheaper for them. Also the story does not say if the service will be free or just subsidised. bootedsw
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5:15pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Joe_Bloggs says...

I was told by an X11 driver that only council employees could use it sounds like that was wrong.
How stupid are the new bus signs instead of the clock we now have a message for 95% of the time saying about the withdrawal of the X11 service, excuse me I am waiting for a bus so I don't need information about the park and ride.
The council have no idea what is going on outside of their lush new air conditioned offices.
Today the bus signs were showing buses running even though First were saying suspended due to snow, I asked First why and they informed me that they have no control over the signs only the council can do it. So today the X11 was cancelled so the employee did no go to work probably on full pay while we all stand around waiting for buses that modern signs say are coming but have been cancelled.
Get a grip council let First have control of the signs after all they use Facebook and Twitter to tell us what is going on so I am sure they would love to be able to remove a service or a bus when it is not running at least passengers would be informed.
I was told by an X11 driver that only council employees could use it sounds like that was wrong. How stupid are the new bus signs instead of the clock we now have a message for 95% of the time saying about the withdrawal of the X11 service, excuse me I am waiting for a bus so I don't need information about the park and ride. The council have no idea what is going on outside of their lush new air conditioned offices. Today the bus signs were showing buses running even though First were saying suspended due to snow, I asked First why and they informed me that they have no control over the signs only the council can do it. So today the X11 was cancelled so the employee did no go to work probably on full pay while we all stand around waiting for buses that modern signs say are coming but have been cancelled. Get a grip council let First have control of the signs after all they use Facebook and Twitter to tell us what is going on so I am sure they would love to be able to remove a service or a bus when it is not running at least passengers would be informed. Joe_Bloggs
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9:59am Sat 19 Jan 13

VaguelyPurple says...

Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.
Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in. VaguelyPurple
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10:01am Sat 19 Jan 13

VaguelyPurple says...

Joe_Bloggs wrote:
I was told by an X11 driver that only council employees could use it sounds like that was wrong.
How stupid are the new bus signs instead of the clock we now have a message for 95% of the time saying about the withdrawal of the X11 service, excuse me I am waiting for a bus so I don't need information about the park and ride.
The council have no idea what is going on outside of their lush new air conditioned offices.
Today the bus signs were showing buses running even though First were saying suspended due to snow, I asked First why and they informed me that they have no control over the signs only the council can do it. So today the X11 was cancelled so the employee did no go to work probably on full pay while we all stand around waiting for buses that modern signs say are coming but have been cancelled.
Get a grip council let First have control of the signs after all they use Facebook and Twitter to tell us what is going on so I am sure they would love to be able to remove a service or a bus when it is not running at least passengers would be informed.
When i saw them, they showed the information on the First website about which services were running and which weren't. They're quite a useful innovation, actually. More indignance for the sake of indignance?
[quote][p][bold]Joe_Bloggs[/bold] wrote: I was told by an X11 driver that only council employees could use it sounds like that was wrong. How stupid are the new bus signs instead of the clock we now have a message for 95% of the time saying about the withdrawal of the X11 service, excuse me I am waiting for a bus so I don't need information about the park and ride. The council have no idea what is going on outside of their lush new air conditioned offices. Today the bus signs were showing buses running even though First were saying suspended due to snow, I asked First why and they informed me that they have no control over the signs only the council can do it. So today the X11 was cancelled so the employee did no go to work probably on full pay while we all stand around waiting for buses that modern signs say are coming but have been cancelled. Get a grip council let First have control of the signs after all they use Facebook and Twitter to tell us what is going on so I am sure they would love to be able to remove a service or a bus when it is not running at least passengers would be informed.[/p][/quote]When i saw them, they showed the information on the First website about which services were running and which weren't. They're quite a useful innovation, actually. More indignance for the sake of indignance? VaguelyPurple
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11:15am Sat 19 Jan 13

portlandboy says...

I find this a totally outrageous situation. Having been out of work, I have been told that I must consider accepting work as far away as Bournemouth because that is considered a fair "travel to work" distance from Weymouth. When I asked about help with travel costs, I was told that if I got a job, I should be happy to have work and not expect the tax-payer to "chip in" to fund the travel.
I don't see that advice being carried out here and the distance is far less. Why don't they buy a train ticket and just be grateful that they have a job well within the "fair travel to work distance"?
By the way, most employers that offer relocation packages do so because they have moved to other counties or countries, not 10 miles up the road.
I find this a totally outrageous situation. Having been out of work, I have been told that I must consider accepting work as far away as Bournemouth because that is considered a fair "travel to work" distance from Weymouth. When I asked about help with travel costs, I was told that if I got a job, I should be happy to have work and not expect the tax-payer to "chip in" to fund the travel. I don't see that advice being carried out here and the distance is far less. Why don't they buy a train ticket and just be grateful that they have a job well within the "fair travel to work distance"? By the way, most employers that offer relocation packages do so because they have moved to other counties or countries, not 10 miles up the road. portlandboy
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11:18am Sat 19 Jan 13

opera lover says...

VaguelyPurple wrote:
Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.
Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users.
[quote][p][bold]VaguelyPurple[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.[/p][/quote]Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users. opera lover
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12:23pm Sat 19 Jan 13

portlandboy says...

opera lover wrote:
VaguelyPurple wrote:
Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.
Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users.
opera lover says:
" now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost?"

Why? Many people travel 30+ miles every day as normal travel to work distance. An extra 18 each day is no major expense if you car share. Hospital staff and other DCC staff who live on Portland or further afield who work in Dorchester pay their own costs, don't they? At the moment, council staff should be glad they have a job to travel to.
[quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VaguelyPurple[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.[/p][/quote]Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users.[/p][/quote]opera lover says: " now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost?" Why? Many people travel 30+ miles every day as normal travel to work distance. An extra 18 each day is no major expense if you car share. Hospital staff and other DCC staff who live on Portland or further afield who work in Dorchester pay their own costs, don't they? At the moment, council staff should be glad they have a job to travel to. portlandboy
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12:26pm Sat 19 Jan 13

portlandboy says...

...and patients who used to have treatment at Weymouth hospitals but now have to travel to Dorchester to receive treatment have never had any help due to "relocation".
...and patients who used to have treatment at Weymouth hospitals but now have to travel to Dorchester to receive treatment have never had any help due to "relocation". portlandboy
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2:19pm Sat 19 Jan 13

opera lover says...

I work for a private company who moved their Head Office 10 miles and had a shuttle bus for 4 years for the staff! I agree if you apply for a job somewhere then it's up to you to work out how you'll pay for it, all this is is the council giving their staff 3 months to adjust, it is common practice in both private and public sectors. I had a period of unemployment a few years ago and I agree it can be frustrating, but the problems of finding suitably paid work in a largely rural area that gives you a realistic net income at the end of the month is a slightly different issue to the council meeting it's employment law obligations to give their staff fair notice. My point is they could have offset this cost by making the X11 last til April. There are plenty of schemes that offer transport to those going to hospital appointments.
I work for a private company who moved their Head Office 10 miles and had a shuttle bus for 4 years for the staff! I agree if you apply for a job somewhere then it's up to you to work out how you'll pay for it, all this is is the council giving their staff 3 months to adjust, it is common practice in both private and public sectors. I had a period of unemployment a few years ago and I agree it can be frustrating, but the problems of finding suitably paid work in a largely rural area that gives you a realistic net income at the end of the month is a slightly different issue to the council meeting it's employment law obligations to give their staff fair notice. My point is they could have offset this cost by making the X11 last til April. There are plenty of schemes that offer transport to those going to hospital appointments. opera lover
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3:04pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Wuzzel says...

Bit rich for a Dorchester Town Councillor to comment about an outrageous waste of taxpayer's money.
West Dorset Council are holding their Council Tax this year but Dorchester Town Council will want more again and for what?
Bit rich for a Dorchester Town Councillor to comment about an outrageous waste of taxpayer's money. West Dorset Council are holding their Council Tax this year but Dorchester Town Council will want more again and for what? Wuzzel
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4:02pm Sat 19 Jan 13

trymybest says...

What time of day does the council staff start and finish there day at the council office, to justify having a bus run between Weymouth and Dorchester all day long completely empty, and where are the staff coming from to fill a minibus??, and is that also going back and forward empty all day long, at our expense. The last time l saw a bus that was free was to a holiday park.
What time of day does the council staff start and finish there day at the council office, to justify having a bus run between Weymouth and Dorchester all day long completely empty, and where are the staff coming from to fill a minibus??, and is that also going back and forward empty all day long, at our expense. The last time l saw a bus that was free was to a holiday park. trymybest
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5:27pm Sat 19 Jan 13

portlandboy says...

opera lover wrote:
I work for a private company who moved their Head Office 10 miles and had a shuttle bus for 4 years for the staff! I agree if you apply for a job somewhere then it's up to you to work out how you'll pay for it, all this is is the council giving their staff 3 months to adjust, it is common practice in both private and public sectors. I had a period of unemployment a few years ago and I agree it can be frustrating, but the problems of finding suitably paid work in a largely rural area that gives you a realistic net income at the end of the month is a slightly different issue to the council meeting it's employment law obligations to give their staff fair notice. My point is they could have offset this cost by making the X11 last til April. There are plenty of schemes that offer transport to those going to hospital appointments.
Firstly, I can't find any "law" that states an employer has to offer free relocation transport. In fact the law only allows for a person to decide whether to relocate or not. If they don't wish to agree, the law then states that redundancy must be offered to the employee. The council may have a package that offers more than this, but again I ask, why? And why can that not be removed by the council since money is SO tight that staff face redundancy any way?
Secondly, what "schemes" are available for patients to get from Weymouth (and other areas that have lost hospital services) to Dorchester, which are subsidised by the council, or anyone else? All patients have to pay for the voluntary hospital car service now that the service has been hit by cutbacks, even OAP's and those on previously qualifying benefits.
There is absolutely NO reason that the council MUST fund this travel, it's simply another little (TAXABLE) perk.
[quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: I work for a private company who moved their Head Office 10 miles and had a shuttle bus for 4 years for the staff! I agree if you apply for a job somewhere then it's up to you to work out how you'll pay for it, all this is is the council giving their staff 3 months to adjust, it is common practice in both private and public sectors. I had a period of unemployment a few years ago and I agree it can be frustrating, but the problems of finding suitably paid work in a largely rural area that gives you a realistic net income at the end of the month is a slightly different issue to the council meeting it's employment law obligations to give their staff fair notice. My point is they could have offset this cost by making the X11 last til April. There are plenty of schemes that offer transport to those going to hospital appointments.[/p][/quote]Firstly, I can't find any "law" that states an employer has to offer free relocation transport. In fact the law only allows for a person to decide whether to relocate or not. If they don't wish to agree, the law then states that redundancy must be offered to the employee. The council may have a package that offers more than this, but again I ask, why? And why can that not be removed by the council since money is SO tight that staff face redundancy any way? Secondly, what "schemes" are available for patients to get from Weymouth (and other areas that have lost hospital services) to Dorchester, which are subsidised by the council, or anyone else? All patients have to pay for the voluntary hospital car service now that the service has been hit by cutbacks, even OAP's and those on previously qualifying benefits. There is absolutely NO reason that the council MUST fund this travel, it's simply another little (TAXABLE) perk. portlandboy
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5:28pm Sat 19 Jan 13

portlandboy says...

https://www.gov.uk/e
mployer-relocation-y
our-rights
https://www.gov.uk/e mployer-relocation-y our-rights portlandboy
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5:41pm Sat 19 Jan 13

I'mavoter says...

VaguelyPurple wrote:
Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.
Yes I agree it does seem sense, and would indeed cut some traffic from the road, and free up car parking spaces. I do think however that these employees should contribute something towards the cost, as they would otherwise have to pay their transport costs to and from work, wouldn't they.
[quote][p][bold]VaguelyPurple[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree it does seem sense, and would indeed cut some traffic from the road, and free up car parking spaces. I do think however that these employees should contribute something towards the cost, as they would otherwise have to pay their transport costs to and from work, wouldn't they. I'mavoter
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6:47pm Sat 19 Jan 13

woodsedge says...

portlandboy wrote:
opera lover wrote:
I work for a private company who moved their Head Office 10 miles and had a shuttle bus for 4 years for the staff! I agree if you apply for a job somewhere then it's up to you to work out how you'll pay for it, all this is is the council giving their staff 3 months to adjust, it is common practice in both private and public sectors. I had a period of unemployment a few years ago and I agree it can be frustrating, but the problems of finding suitably paid work in a largely rural area that gives you a realistic net income at the end of the month is a slightly different issue to the council meeting it's employment law obligations to give their staff fair notice. My point is they could have offset this cost by making the X11 last til April. There are plenty of schemes that offer transport to those going to hospital appointments.
Firstly, I can't find any "law" that states an employer has to offer free relocation transport. In fact the law only allows for a person to decide whether to relocate or not. If they don't wish to agree, the law then states that redundancy must be offered to the employee. The council may have a package that offers more than this, but again I ask, why? And why can that not be removed by the council since money is SO tight that staff face redundancy any way?
Secondly, what "schemes" are available for patients to get from Weymouth (and other areas that have lost hospital services) to Dorchester, which are subsidised by the council, or anyone else? All patients have to pay for the voluntary hospital car service now that the service has been hit by cutbacks, even OAP's and those on previously qualifying benefits.
There is absolutely NO reason that the council MUST fund this travel, it's simply another little (TAXABLE) perk.
I love it when posters say things like the "law say's" and then do not state which part of the law they refer to and how it applies to their argument. And by the way if you are talking about an employer’s legal obligation to mitigate a dismissal in a redundancy situation, then you are referring to the Employment Rights Act 1996 and your statement is incorrect. Also an employer in a redundancy situation has a legal obligation to take into consideration location when offering any suitable alternative employment when in a redundancy situation. Never fails to amaze me how “council workers" are the vent of council tax payer’s anger and a catch all tag is applied, when all they do it is have the audacity to have a job with the council. Offering alternatives to transport issues in this situation are commonplace in both the private and public sector.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: I work for a private company who moved their Head Office 10 miles and had a shuttle bus for 4 years for the staff! I agree if you apply for a job somewhere then it's up to you to work out how you'll pay for it, all this is is the council giving their staff 3 months to adjust, it is common practice in both private and public sectors. I had a period of unemployment a few years ago and I agree it can be frustrating, but the problems of finding suitably paid work in a largely rural area that gives you a realistic net income at the end of the month is a slightly different issue to the council meeting it's employment law obligations to give their staff fair notice. My point is they could have offset this cost by making the X11 last til April. There are plenty of schemes that offer transport to those going to hospital appointments.[/p][/quote]Firstly, I can't find any "law" that states an employer has to offer free relocation transport. In fact the law only allows for a person to decide whether to relocate or not. If they don't wish to agree, the law then states that redundancy must be offered to the employee. The council may have a package that offers more than this, but again I ask, why? And why can that not be removed by the council since money is SO tight that staff face redundancy any way? Secondly, what "schemes" are available for patients to get from Weymouth (and other areas that have lost hospital services) to Dorchester, which are subsidised by the council, or anyone else? All patients have to pay for the voluntary hospital car service now that the service has been hit by cutbacks, even OAP's and those on previously qualifying benefits. There is absolutely NO reason that the council MUST fund this travel, it's simply another little (TAXABLE) perk.[/p][/quote]I love it when posters say things like the "law say's" and then do not state which part of the law they refer to and how it applies to their argument. And by the way if you are talking about an employer’s legal obligation to mitigate a dismissal in a redundancy situation, then you are referring to the Employment Rights Act 1996 and your statement is incorrect. Also an employer in a redundancy situation has a legal obligation to take into consideration location when offering any suitable alternative employment when in a redundancy situation. Never fails to amaze me how “council workers" are the vent of council tax payer’s anger and a catch all tag is applied, when all they do it is have the audacity to have a job with the council. Offering alternatives to transport issues in this situation are commonplace in both the private and public sector. woodsedge
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7:00pm Sat 19 Jan 13

opera lover says...

Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!
Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask! opera lover
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5:51pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Desk24 says...

Many will not use any park and ride because it means mixing with 'lower classes' and the seats are not clean enough. Many who feel they have worked hard to avoid having any interaction with people they deem 'not up to standard' will pay high parking charges to protect thier status and rights.
Many will not use any park and ride because it means mixing with 'lower classes' and the seats are not clean enough. Many who feel they have worked hard to avoid having any interaction with people they deem 'not up to standard' will pay high parking charges to protect thier status and rights. Desk24
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8:36pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Get a grip says...

The staff in the new office get their tea and coffee for free.

Yes the ratepayers are paying for this.
The staff in the new office get their tea and coffee for free. Yes the ratepayers are paying for this. Get a grip
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9:44pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Portland Bill says...

How many of us go to council meetings,no wonder they spend our money looking after them selves.
How many of us go to council meetings,no wonder they spend our money looking after them selves. Portland Bill
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8:12am Mon 21 Jan 13

VaguelyPurple says...

portlandboy wrote:
opera lover wrote:
VaguelyPurple wrote:
Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.
Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users.
opera lover says:
" now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost?"

Why? Many people travel 30+ miles every day as normal travel to work distance. An extra 18 each day is no major expense if you car share. Hospital staff and other DCC staff who live on Portland or further afield who work in Dorchester pay their own costs, don't they? At the moment, council staff should be glad they have a job to travel to.
heavens, yes, there's people that commute every day from like Southampton to London. Not to mention Weymouth/Dorchester to Bournemouth etc. i don't suppose they customarily expect the employer to compensate them.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VaguelyPurple[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.[/p][/quote]Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users.[/p][/quote]opera lover says: " now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost?" Why? Many people travel 30+ miles every day as normal travel to work distance. An extra 18 each day is no major expense if you car share. Hospital staff and other DCC staff who live on Portland or further afield who work in Dorchester pay their own costs, don't they? At the moment, council staff should be glad they have a job to travel to.[/p][/quote]heavens, yes, there's people that commute every day from like Southampton to London. Not to mention Weymouth/Dorchester to Bournemouth etc. i don't suppose they customarily expect the employer to compensate them. VaguelyPurple
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8:37am Mon 21 Jan 13

woodsedge says...

VaguelyPurple wrote:
portlandboy wrote:
opera lover wrote:
VaguelyPurple wrote:
Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.
Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users.
opera lover says:
" now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost?"

Why? Many people travel 30+ miles every day as normal travel to work distance. An extra 18 each day is no major expense if you car share. Hospital staff and other DCC staff who live on Portland or further afield who work in Dorchester pay their own costs, don't they? At the moment, council staff should be glad they have a job to travel to.
heavens, yes, there's people that commute every day from like Southampton to London. Not to mention Weymouth/Dorchester to Bournemouth etc. i don't suppose they customarily expect the employer to compensate them.
You completely miss the point. Yes, people do commute greater distances than Weymouth to Dorchester on a regular basis. But they accepted their contract of employment with the proviso that they would have additional travel. I am an example of this in that I live on Portland and my office is in Surrey. These workers had their place of work changed by their employer and the employer, being a reasonable employer, has made arrangements to compensate those employees. Try posting without attacking council workers who I would imagine are as pleased as anyone at this moment to have a job!
[quote][p][bold]VaguelyPurple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VaguelyPurple[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.[/p][/quote]Actually the buses between 0700 and 0830 are quite often full, I know because I use it! What hasn't been reported is that some people who work in Dorchester have been moved down to Weymouth, now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost? Although why they just can't extend the X11 for 3 months for 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon is beyond me. And why the minibus has started now is also a bit odd. I have to be honest as someone who's used the service from the start we do feel like second class users.[/p][/quote]opera lover says: " now fair's fair if you're suddenly told you're relocating by 9 miles then surely in the interim your employer has a duty to negate the cost?" Why? Many people travel 30+ miles every day as normal travel to work distance. An extra 18 each day is no major expense if you car share. Hospital staff and other DCC staff who live on Portland or further afield who work in Dorchester pay their own costs, don't they? At the moment, council staff should be glad they have a job to travel to.[/p][/quote]heavens, yes, there's people that commute every day from like Southampton to London. Not to mention Weymouth/Dorchester to Bournemouth etc. i don't suppose they customarily expect the employer to compensate them.[/p][/quote]You completely miss the point. Yes, people do commute greater distances than Weymouth to Dorchester on a regular basis. But they accepted their contract of employment with the proviso that they would have additional travel. I am an example of this in that I live on Portland and my office is in Surrey. These workers had their place of work changed by their employer and the employer, being a reasonable employer, has made arrangements to compensate those employees. Try posting without attacking council workers who I would imagine are as pleased as anyone at this moment to have a job! woodsedge
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11:57am Mon 21 Jan 13

Trackerman says...

I work in Christchurch live in Broadwey.
Who pays?

ME !!!!
I work in Christchurch live in Broadwey. Who pays? ME !!!! Trackerman
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12:21pm Mon 21 Jan 13

JONBOY47 says...

So, not only do council employyees have a cushy job with full pay when they go sick, with a pension that most people can only dream of, they are now to get what is effectively a chauffer driven service to take them to work paid for by the tax payer. In the meantime there is a park and ride service into Weymouth which 95% of the time has nobody on.

Can I have some, please?
So, not only do council employyees have a cushy job with full pay when they go sick, with a pension that most people can only dream of, they are now to get what is effectively a chauffer driven service to take them to work paid for by the tax payer. In the meantime there is a park and ride service into Weymouth which 95% of the time has nobody on. Can I have some, please? JONBOY47
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1:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Wellbalanced says...

So, Mr. Gould plays with our money yet again. No doubt with "full consultation" with those who pay his expenses. Would he pay my travel costs as well please? I have the misfortunate to work in the private sector and we pay our own way.
By the way, with regard to his latest wheeze to build 10,000 new homes in the Dorchester area, there's some nice land at Poyntington, where I believe he lives!
So, Mr. Gould plays with our money yet again. No doubt with "full consultation" with those who pay his expenses. Would he pay my travel costs as well please? I have the misfortunate to work in the private sector and we pay our own way. By the way, with regard to his latest wheeze to build 10,000 new homes in the Dorchester area, there's some nice land at Poyntington, where I believe he lives! Wellbalanced
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1:15pm Mon 21 Jan 13

JamesYoung says...

opera lover wrote:
Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!
https://www.gov.uk/e
mployer-relocation-y
our-rights

In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals.

Yet more waste of our money.
[quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask![/p][/quote]https://www.gov.uk/e mployer-relocation-y our-rights In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals. Yet more waste of our money. JamesYoung
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1:32pm Mon 21 Jan 13

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
opera lover wrote:
Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!
https://www.gov.uk/e

mployer-relocation-y

our-rights

In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals.

Yet more waste of our money.
I responded in general terms as I was not privy to to the circumstances i.e. contracts of employment, contractual mobility clauses, consultation meetings, collective agreement etc that would have been discussed/negotiated prior to the park and ride resolution. I am not sure what the "compensation" that you allude to is, and the contract of employment works both ways and can be breached equally by the employer. In relation to Employment Tribunals and reasonable distance of travel. Employment Tribunals are not just governed by a catch all 25 mile criteria. A tribunal would also take into account all relevant information including contract of employment, collective agreements, explicit and implied terms to employment contracts, custom and practice conditions etc. Tribunals can be costly with no guarantee of winning, again equally relevant to employer and employee, so to lose at tribunal could be costly to the tax payer. What a tribunal would expect is for the employer and the employee to reach a reasonable conclusion and it would appear that they have.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask![/p][/quote]https://www.gov.uk/e mployer-relocation-y our-rights In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals. Yet more waste of our money.[/p][/quote]I responded in general terms as I was not privy to to the circumstances i.e. contracts of employment, contractual mobility clauses, consultation meetings, collective agreement etc that would have been discussed/negotiated prior to the park and ride resolution. I am not sure what the "compensation" that you allude to is, and the contract of employment works both ways and can be breached equally by the employer. In relation to Employment Tribunals and reasonable distance of travel. Employment Tribunals are not just governed by a catch all 25 mile criteria. A tribunal would also take into account all relevant information including contract of employment, collective agreements, explicit and implied terms to employment contracts, custom and practice conditions etc. Tribunals can be costly with no guarantee of winning, again equally relevant to employer and employee, so to lose at tribunal could be costly to the tax payer. What a tribunal would expect is for the employer and the employee to reach a reasonable conclusion and it would appear that they have. woodsedge
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2:36pm Mon 21 Jan 13

portlandboy says...

opera lover "As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!"

Yes, I realise that one only has to ask and the volunteer transport scheme will get a patient to and from hospital appointments. My point here is that the patient PAYS to use the volunteer hospital car scheme.
I'd be far happier to see the council funding patient transport instead of council staff transport as, I guess, would many people.
opera lover "As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!" Yes, I realise that one only has to ask and the volunteer transport scheme will get a patient to and from hospital appointments. My point here is that the patient PAYS to use the volunteer hospital car scheme. I'd be far happier to see the council funding patient transport instead of council staff transport as, I guess, would many people. portlandboy
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2:25pm Tue 22 Jan 13

MaidofDorset says...

VaguelyPurple wrote:
Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.
If we had a cheap season ticket system to 'park and ride' our council, hospital and other town centre workers we'd have the town parking spaces free for shoppers.

Could never understand why the bus stopped when it got to the council offices and didn't continue up to the hospital.
[quote][p][bold]VaguelyPurple[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to be angry or outraged about this, once again? Surely a minibus service for council workers, whether those council workers are really necessary or not, is entirely laudable as it will cut down on the amount of traffic slightly? Would it be preferable for these Council workers to have to drive, & then taken up parking spaces? As regars the X11, again, why get outraged or indignant about that? It was an occasion to note in your diary if you ever saw anybody (apart from the driver) on one. Seems to me like another bad weather in teacup situation, such as papers, particularly the Dorset Echo and its usually indignant readership, are usually fond of indulging in.[/p][/quote]If we had a cheap season ticket system to 'park and ride' our council, hospital and other town centre workers we'd have the town parking spaces free for shoppers. Could never understand why the bus stopped when it got to the council offices and didn't continue up to the hospital. MaidofDorset
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9:22pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Desk24 says...

It makes sense to help people to work, so the council functions. I had no idea of......
It makes sense to help people to work, so the council functions. I had no idea of...... Desk24
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11:18am Wed 23 Jan 13

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
opera lover wrote:
Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!
https://www.gov.uk/e


mployer-relocation-y


our-rights

In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals.

Yet more waste of our money.
I responded in general terms as I was not privy to to the circumstances i.e. contracts of employment, contractual mobility clauses, consultation meetings, collective agreement etc that would have been discussed/negotiated prior to the park and ride resolution. I am not sure what the "compensation" that you allude to is, and the contract of employment works both ways and can be breached equally by the employer. In relation to Employment Tribunals and reasonable distance of travel. Employment Tribunals are not just governed by a catch all 25 mile criteria. A tribunal would also take into account all relevant information including contract of employment, collective agreements, explicit and implied terms to employment contracts, custom and practice conditions etc. Tribunals can be costly with no guarantee of winning, again equally relevant to employer and employee, so to lose at tribunal could be costly to the tax payer. What a tribunal would expect is for the employer and the employee to reach a reasonable conclusion and it would appear that they have.
You are quite right. Case history has distances of up to 50 miles being judged reasonable. I used the shortest distance that is commonly upheld.
Clearly, 8 miles is well within that, and well within what a normal working person in this area would consider a reasonable travel distance.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask![/p][/quote]https://www.gov.uk/e mployer-relocation-y our-rights In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals. Yet more waste of our money.[/p][/quote]I responded in general terms as I was not privy to to the circumstances i.e. contracts of employment, contractual mobility clauses, consultation meetings, collective agreement etc that would have been discussed/negotiated prior to the park and ride resolution. I am not sure what the "compensation" that you allude to is, and the contract of employment works both ways and can be breached equally by the employer. In relation to Employment Tribunals and reasonable distance of travel. Employment Tribunals are not just governed by a catch all 25 mile criteria. A tribunal would also take into account all relevant information including contract of employment, collective agreements, explicit and implied terms to employment contracts, custom and practice conditions etc. Tribunals can be costly with no guarantee of winning, again equally relevant to employer and employee, so to lose at tribunal could be costly to the tax payer. What a tribunal would expect is for the employer and the employee to reach a reasonable conclusion and it would appear that they have.[/p][/quote]You are quite right. Case history has distances of up to 50 miles being judged reasonable. I used the shortest distance that is commonly upheld. Clearly, 8 miles is well within that, and well within what a normal working person in this area would consider a reasonable travel distance. JamesYoung
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2:52pm Wed 23 Jan 13

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
opera lover wrote:
Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!
https://www.gov.uk/e



mployer-relocation-y



our-rights

In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals.

Yet more waste of our money.
I responded in general terms as I was not privy to to the circumstances i.e. contracts of employment, contractual mobility clauses, consultation meetings, collective agreement etc that would have been discussed/negotiated prior to the park and ride resolution. I am not sure what the "compensation" that you allude to is, and the contract of employment works both ways and can be breached equally by the employer. In relation to Employment Tribunals and reasonable distance of travel. Employment Tribunals are not just governed by a catch all 25 mile criteria. A tribunal would also take into account all relevant information including contract of employment, collective agreements, explicit and implied terms to employment contracts, custom and practice conditions etc. Tribunals can be costly with no guarantee of winning, again equally relevant to employer and employee, so to lose at tribunal could be costly to the tax payer. What a tribunal would expect is for the employer and the employee to reach a reasonable conclusion and it would appear that they have.
You are quite right. Case history has distances of up to 50 miles being judged reasonable. I used the shortest distance that is commonly upheld.
Clearly, 8 miles is well within that, and well within what a normal working person in this area would consider a reasonable travel distance.
There is case law where employees have won at tribunal with employers invoking mobility clauses with less than 20 miles (Blatchfords Solicitors v Berger and others, Cahuac and ors v Allen Amery Ltd ) and distance is a minor issue dependent on the other documents/procedures that I referred to in my earlier post. Also if the contract is silent on mobility then case law would support the employee not the employer, as the place of work would be deemed as being Weymouth and would become an implied part on an individual’s contract of employment and over a period of time custom & practice.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]opera lover[/bold] wrote: Thank you Woodsledge, we have no way of knowing what is put in those employees contracts. And just because the Council is being a good employer and not wanting to lose good staff is not a reason to condemn. They'd have to pay redundancy and go through a recruitment and training procedure, far more wasteful than putting on a bus as a temporary measure! As I said I am sorry you've had trouble getting work Portland Boy, but plenty of private sector companies would do the same thing. As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask![/p][/quote]https://www.gov.uk/e mployer-relocation-y our-rights In short, no automatic right to compensation and, in fact, refusal to travel a reasonable distance could be deemed as breach of contract. A reasonable distance has been found to be in excess of 25 miles in tribunals. Yet more waste of our money.[/p][/quote]I responded in general terms as I was not privy to to the circumstances i.e. contracts of employment, contractual mobility clauses, consultation meetings, collective agreement etc that would have been discussed/negotiated prior to the park and ride resolution. I am not sure what the "compensation" that you allude to is, and the contract of employment works both ways and can be breached equally by the employer. In relation to Employment Tribunals and reasonable distance of travel. Employment Tribunals are not just governed by a catch all 25 mile criteria. A tribunal would also take into account all relevant information including contract of employment, collective agreements, explicit and implied terms to employment contracts, custom and practice conditions etc. Tribunals can be costly with no guarantee of winning, again equally relevant to employer and employee, so to lose at tribunal could be costly to the tax payer. What a tribunal would expect is for the employer and the employee to reach a reasonable conclusion and it would appear that they have.[/p][/quote]You are quite right. Case history has distances of up to 50 miles being judged reasonable. I used the shortest distance that is commonly upheld. Clearly, 8 miles is well within that, and well within what a normal working person in this area would consider a reasonable travel distance.[/p][/quote]There is case law where employees have won at tribunal with employers invoking mobility clauses with less than 20 miles (Blatchfords Solicitors v Berger and others, Cahuac and ors v Allen Amery Ltd ) and distance is a minor issue dependent on the other documents/procedures that I referred to in my earlier post. Also if the contract is silent on mobility then case law would support the employee not the employer, as the place of work would be deemed as being Weymouth and would become an implied part on an individual’s contract of employment and over a period of time custom & practice. woodsedge
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4:44pm Wed 23 Jan 13

tarka says...

This forum can debate this all year but it still boils down to the fact is it morally right to expect the taxpayer to pay for workers transportation cost just because their place of work has moved a few miles.

What if the offices had been moved to Portland Bill (Similar distance), but still in Weymouth and Portland district.

It might have been easier to swallow if it was subsidised for a short period of time or the passengers paid a fare that covered the bus costs
This forum can debate this all year but it still boils down to the fact is it morally right to expect the taxpayer to pay for workers transportation cost just because their place of work has moved a few miles. What if the offices had been moved to Portland Bill (Similar distance), but still in Weymouth and Portland district. It might have been easier to swallow if it was subsidised for a short period of time or the passengers paid a fare that covered the bus costs tarka
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4:52pm Wed 23 Jan 13

wurzelbasher says...

This free mini bus for council workers really complements the financial monstrosity that has been built in Charles Street.
This free mini bus for council workers really complements the financial monstrosity that has been built in Charles Street. wurzelbasher
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5:35pm Wed 23 Jan 13

leo210856 says...

Can someone help me on this . I didnt think that the X11 was introduced for WDDC staff when the spaces were lost in Charles Street. Why would it be? Surely the staff were still working and parking in Stratton House or did they loose their spaces in advance?
Can someone help me on this . I didnt think that the X11 was introduced for WDDC staff when the spaces were lost in Charles Street. Why would it be? Surely the staff were still working and parking in Stratton House or did they loose their spaces in advance? leo210856
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6:49pm Wed 23 Jan 13

portlandboy says...

leo210856 wrote:
Can someone help me on this . I didnt think that the X11 was introduced for WDDC staff when the spaces were lost in Charles Street. Why would it be? Surely the staff were still working and parking in Stratton House or did they loose their spaces in advance?
Well, we all complain about the lack of planning at the council, so maybe this was them trying to "do their bit"?
[quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: Can someone help me on this . I didnt think that the X11 was introduced for WDDC staff when the spaces were lost in Charles Street. Why would it be? Surely the staff were still working and parking in Stratton House or did they loose their spaces in advance?[/p][/quote]Well, we all complain about the lack of planning at the council, so maybe this was them trying to "do their bit"? portlandboy
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2:17pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Joe_Bloggs says...

The latest I have is that this minibus is actually going to be 3 minibuses driven by contract drivers.
What cost is that going to be to the taxpayer.
We go without street lights during the early hours to fund this let alone other vital services.
The latest I have is that this minibus is actually going to be 3 minibuses driven by contract drivers. What cost is that going to be to the taxpayer. We go without street lights during the early hours to fund this let alone other vital services. Joe_Bloggs
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9:44pm Thu 24 Jan 13

baldyman47 says...

Although I normally like to moan about the Council, I personally think this is a great idea and will save money if enough Council employees use it. I may be wrong but if your work place is relocated I believe that you are entitled to claim additional travel costs against tax for a specified period until you relocate your home or take the additional costs on the chin. At 45p per mile for a 12 mile round trip that is a saving of £5.40 in tax relief. This scheme also employs a local driver too.
Although I normally like to moan about the Council, I personally think this is a great idea and will save money if enough Council employees use it. I may be wrong but if your work place is relocated I believe that you are entitled to claim additional travel costs against tax for a specified period until you relocate your home or take the additional costs on the chin. At 45p per mile for a 12 mile round trip that is a saving of £5.40 in tax relief. This scheme also employs a local driver too. baldyman47
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12:20am Fri 25 Jan 13

kildare43 says...

portlandboy wrote:
opera lover "As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!"

Yes, I realise that one only has to ask and the volunteer transport scheme will get a patient to and from hospital appointments. My point here is that the patient PAYS to use the volunteer hospital car scheme.
I'd be far happier to see the council funding patient transport instead of council staff transport as, I guess, would many people.
Wrong. where I live there is no bus service to Dorset Hospital. It takes 2 buses and over 2 hours to get there. I need to have an operation on my knee but have been told there are no cars on Saturdays (discharge day) so in spite of being on crutches I will have to find £72 round trip on taxis. Last year I had to have a colonoscopy without anaesthetic as I had to use public transport and the hospital could have refused treatment because I wasn't accompanied, and I am 70 years old and no family.

So people, don't be under any illusions that old people get everything, they do not.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: opera lover "As for Hospital transport my Grandfather and Great Aunt both used a voluntary service to get into DCH when a family member couldn't give them a lift, you just have to ask!" Yes, I realise that one only has to ask and the volunteer transport scheme will get a patient to and from hospital appointments. My point here is that the patient PAYS to use the volunteer hospital car scheme. I'd be far happier to see the council funding patient transport instead of council staff transport as, I guess, would many people.[/p][/quote]Wrong. where I live there is no bus service to Dorset Hospital. It takes 2 buses and over 2 hours to get there. I need to have an operation on my knee but have been told there are no cars on Saturdays (discharge day) so in spite of being on crutches I will have to find £72 round trip on taxis. Last year I had to have a colonoscopy without anaesthetic as I had to use public transport and the hospital could have refused treatment because I wasn't accompanied, and I am 70 years old and no family. So people, don't be under any illusions that old people get everything, they do not. kildare43
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