MP raises concerns over government change to benefit system (From Dorset Echo)

Housing benefit is already being paid directly to the claimant.

For the first time in my life I have had to go on benefits since being made redundant, the system is already a mess, advisers sadly don't know their jobs it's one big rabbit hole

Oh dear! Drax was obviously in the South of France when Call Me Dave, Gidders & IBS held the meeting on this one! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT RICHARD!!
Get the (non)working class off of their Council/HA secure tenancy, into the hands of the career private LLs (of which our establishment figures, their friends & family are of course a part), just in time for the rent payment rules to be changed again. They'll then do another publicised round of further subsided Right To Buy/ Right to Acquire to get rid of as much docial housing as possible.
Hey presto - before we know it, the tax payer money being paid to our poor/ vulnerable/ elderly/ lazy ends up in the pocket of private LLs for a rent double that of what HAs were charging. Communities destabilised is an added extra.
...& lets not forget Labour here, as it was their propaganda that is still in the mindset of the potential tenants here that prioritise their mobile & cable bills above their rent...
A tag team of corrupt & self serving vermin the lot of them.
But hey, what's the point of being in power if it doesn't make you money? ;-)

Get us out of the EU that would save us a LOT more money.

Conservative traitors.

VOTE UKIP.

Drax what about your private landlord and employer chummies? Because of the gross high rents and poor wages on top of everything else, it does not pay to work any more.

A while back I did a calculation and for the basic rate of pay around here doing a 40 hour a week job I was over £20 a week WORSE OFF then being on benefits when everything was taken into account.

THAT is the problem.

Chav_Scum wrote:
Oh dear! Drax was obviously in the South of France when Call Me Dave, Gidders & IBS held the meeting on this one! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT RICHARD!!
Get the (non)working class off of their Council/HA secure tenancy, into the hands of the career private LLs (of which our establishment figures, their friends & family are of course a part), just in time for the rent payment rules to be changed again. They'll then do another publicised round of further subsided Right To Buy/ Right to Acquire to get rid of as much docial housing as possible.
Hey presto - before we know it, the tax payer money being paid to our poor/ vulnerable/ elderly/ lazy ends up in the pocket of private LLs for a rent double that of what HAs were charging. Communities destabilised is an added extra.
...& lets not forget Labour here, as it was their propaganda that is still in the mindset of the potential tenants here that prioritise their mobile & cable bills above their rent...
A tag team of corrupt & self serving vermin the lot of them.
But hey, what's the point of being in power if it doesn't make you money? ;-)

Chav-scum,

As you also posted a perfectly reasonable comment on the feminist propaganda article "the sisterhood" yesterday I thought I would point this out.

It had all it's comments deleted and further comments blocked when their hypocrisy was pointed out, all backed with links to prove it, all done quite reasonably, no foul language or undue rudeness, unlike some of their supporters.

To top that...when I pointed this out to you on the Gypsy camp article to bring it to your attention, they have deleted and blocked all comments there too.

This behaviour speaks clearly as to their honesty and integrity, not only of these women's groups but of this Newspaper.

You starting to see what level of garbage us guys are up against ?

I do see, though, unfortunately for us masses, I don't agree it is an individual issue.
The censorship from our supposedly free speaking media is evident on a variety of issues, which are led by both males and females.
I think guys *may* be up against it on this subject. Women will be facing similar brickwalls on many others.
But the more we can be distracted on male v female, white v black (or more recently, Islam) workers v the economically inactive ... ooh, sorry I forgot what we were talking about - TOWIE just came on telly - .... oh yeah, we're not looking at the actual causes or puppet masters in these situations.

Chav_Scum wrote:
I do see, though, unfortunately for us masses, I don't agree it is an individual issue.
The censorship from our supposedly free speaking media is evident on a variety of issues, which are led by both males and females.
I think guys *may* be up against it on this subject. Women will be facing similar brickwalls on many others.
But the more we can be distracted on male v female, white v black (or more recently, Islam) workers v the economically inactive ... ooh, sorry I forgot what we were talking about - TOWIE just came on telly - .... oh yeah, we're not looking at the actual causes or puppet masters in these situations.

Indeed but with this issue, I find Conjurer and the distraction are often one and the same.

TOWIE..!!! On my grief ! :-)

oops. Typo, I meant to say Conjurer and victim are one and the same...**** TOWIE.....

Stop people flooding into this country for the sole purpose of living off our benefits, there you go Mr Drax, welfare bill reduced by at least 50% in one easy move.

misshls wrote:
For the first time in my life I have had to go on benefits since being made redundant, the system is already a mess, advisers sadly don't know their jobs it's one big rabbit hole

its not that the advisors dont know their jobs, but that they have to follow orders from above which are unworkable.

Here is another radicle idea that will be right up Drax&Co's street.

As they like to privatise everything and everyone, why not privatise the benefits system. Would save lots of money then by getting rid of all the middle managers of this massively over-managed, yet poorly managed public service.

Here is a question for you all. What is the ratio of normal staff to management staff in this service. My bet is one manager to 14 staff, with most of the managers sitting on their fat arses all day doing very little for mountainous pay and very, very generous pensions, the likes of which they would never get in the private sector.

Get rid of the excess managers, some 7 levels of management within this department, and this would reduce the governments DSS bill by some 8 million a year. not much in the grand scale of things, but it would be a start.

The benefits system with it's different types of benefits is or may be confusing if you don't understand how to get what you are entitled to, but with their being one payment that includes all the benefits and council tax/rent payments, is surely going to lead to more confusion, as people see all this money in their banks, and because it is noted on the bank account transaction as 'universal Credit' they will assume, either because they do not truly know, or because they would sooner have their beer or drugs, that all that money is for them and them alone, no rent or council tax included, whereas we all know that this will include every benefit within the one payment. This is a recipe for disaster and can only have one end result - more confusion resulting in more anger and possibly riots the like of which we have not really seen since the Brixton and Toxteth riots.

Dave and co in this government are doing everyone, and I mean, everyone, a dis-service and killing the countries chance of recovery.

Forget the matters needing cutting down at home. how about we reduce quite significantly, the amount of money we give away to these places like India and Pakistan, whilst they laugh at us and get business from customer service help desks for UK customers, because over here, it would cost the minimum wage of £6.00 or more per hour, whereas over there they get paid less than £2.00 per hour. Not rocket science to see why businesses prefer to base their call centres over there.

The cost of things in this country is too high, meaning that the wages have to be high, and that will not encourage business owners to maintain their businesses over here.

Why are prices so high - simples - HM Government think that higher prices will lead to greater tax revenues which they think is a good idea, but as soon as a business moves away to another country because of the high costs, the revenue from both the employer and the employee that the tax man was getting has disappeared, thereby taking money out of the exchequer and having to pay extra money to the redundant employees.

That's it, rant over for the day, so now I can go to bed, knowing that I have had my say. Good night all and sweet dreams. Watch out for that snow they forecast for tomorrow. Just cut back on that speed when driving to work, and remember, think, if that car in front of you stops suddenly, can you stop in time. Leave an extra 20 feet between you and the car in front. Sweet Dreams and goodnight.

I think a back bencher MP such as Richard Drax has a very difficult time getting his message across re the financial problems we have in South Dorset, he also has a very truculent boss Cameron and equally so Chancellor Osborne.

We were spoilt when Lord Jim Knight was our MP and Minister... he was able to feed back and use his influence to try to empower S Dorset. He did a good job on the whole.

One just has to feel so sorry for Richard Drax, whose heart is in the right place , but is at the mercy of his party politics.

Mr Cameron uses his own childish party politics rather than usiing his Premiership as a power source to assist all members of the public no matter what party they belong to.

Mr Cameron appears to be a peevish narrow minded party centred boss. Poor old Mr Drax!!

Hardy Lass wrote:
I think a back bencher MP such as Richard Drax has a very difficult time getting his message across re the financial problems we have in South Dorset, he also has a very truculent boss Cameron and equally so Chancellor Osborne.

We were spoilt when Lord Jim Knight was our MP and Minister... he was able to feed back and use his influence to try to empower S Dorset. He did a good job on the whole.

One just has to feel so sorry for Richard Drax, whose heart is in the right place , but is at the mercy of his party politics.

Mr Cameron uses his own childish party politics rather than usiing his Premiership as a power source to assist all members of the public no matter what party they belong to.

Mr Cameron appears to be a peevish narrow minded party centred boss. Poor old Mr Drax!!

I agree. My political leanings are to the right but i have to say that regardless of that, Jim Knight was an asset to the area. I met him a couple of times and he offered (and delivered) support for a project that a friend and i were working on at the time.
I had high hopes for Cameron but he's just a bumbling clown.
Drax seems to get a lot of unjustified stick just because he has inherited money.

Micke12 wrote:
Here is another radicle idea that will be right up Drax&Co's street.

As they like to privatise everything and everyone, why not privatise the benefits system. Would save lots of money then by getting rid of all the middle managers of this massively over-managed, yet poorly managed public service.

Here is a question for you all. What is the ratio of normal staff to management staff in this service. My bet is one manager to 14 staff, with most of the managers sitting on their fat arses all day doing very little for mountainous pay and very, very generous pensions, the likes of which they would never get in the private sector.

Get rid of the excess managers, some 7 levels of management within this department, and this would reduce the governments DSS bill by some 8 million a year. not much in the grand scale of things, but it would be a start.

The benefits system with it's different types of benefits is or may be confusing if you don't understand how to get what you are entitled to, but with their being one payment that includes all the benefits and council tax/rent payments, is surely going to lead to more confusion, as people see all this money in their banks, and because it is noted on the bank account transaction as 'universal Credit' they will assume, either because they do not truly know, or because they would sooner have their beer or drugs, that all that money is for them and them alone, no rent or council tax included, whereas we all know that this will include every benefit within the one payment. This is a recipe for disaster and can only have one end result - more confusion resulting in more anger and possibly riots the like of which we have not really seen since the Brixton and Toxteth riots.

Dave and co in this government are doing everyone, and I mean, everyone, a dis-service and killing the countries chance of recovery.

Forget the matters needing cutting down at home. how about we reduce quite significantly, the amount of money we give away to these places like India and Pakistan, whilst they laugh at us and get business from customer service help desks for UK customers, because over here, it would cost the minimum wage of £6.00 or more per hour, whereas over there they get paid less than £2.00 per hour. Not rocket science to see why businesses prefer to base their call centres over there.

The cost of things in this country is too high, meaning that the wages have to be high, and that will not encourage business owners to maintain their businesses over here.

Why are prices so high - simples - HM Government think that higher prices will lead to greater tax revenues which they think is a good idea, but as soon as a business moves away to another country because of the high costs, the revenue from both the employer and the employee that the tax man was getting has disappeared, thereby taking money out of the exchequer and having to pay extra money to the redundant employees.

That's it, rant over for the day, so now I can go to bed, knowing that I have had my say. Good night all and sweet dreams. Watch out for that snow they forecast for tomorrow. Just cut back on that speed when driving to work, and remember, think, if that car in front of you stops suddenly, can you stop in time. Leave an extra 20 feet between you and the car in front. Sweet Dreams and goodnight.

The danger with this is that privatising the service would inevitably come with privatisation of benefit assessment. Despite my frequent rantings on here, the decision to outsource sick assessment to ATOS Origin has been a national shame.

I think prices are high over here for two reasons. Firstly, the public sector is too large and inefficient. Secondly, our obsession with house prices has created governments that will do anything to stop house prices falling.

If they did fall to reasonable levels (ignore the hype about there not being enough houses, because there are plenty) then labour costs would drop too.

As for the public sector, the first thing i think that needs to happen is a restoration of what i think used to be called Crown Immunity. That is, anything that is owned by the Crown (ie HM Govt) cannot be sued.

This would enable the enormous amounts of red tape in the health and social care systems to be dramatically cut back and would allow doctors, nurses and others to focus on their jobs.

Of course, hand in hand with that we'd have to accept, as individuals, that when mistakes are made and our relatives die or suffer injury, there would be no legal recourse. However, arguably the number of cases would fall if doctors and nurses had more time to do their jobs.