Harbour wall repairs will take 40 years to pay off

Dorset Echo: REPAIRS: Construction work at Weymouth Ferry Terminal REPAIRS: Construction work at Weymouth Ferry Terminal

The bill to repair Weymouth’s harbour walls could take up to 40 years to pay off.

A report to Weymouth and Portland’s management committee, which will meet tomorrow, says the cost of repairs to ferry berth three was £4.8million.

Further repairs are set to cost another £3.6million.

The report recommends that councillors approve paying £800,000 of the bill from capital receipts and a further £180,000 per year for 40 years through ‘internal borrowing’.

It says: “The cost of the repairs to berth three now totals £4.8million, which is a further £330,000 more than previously reported and this additional expenditure needs to be funded.

“In addition to the main harbour budget, there is a funding requirement for repairs to the harbour walls over the next 15 years.

“There is also a need for further funding of £3.6million for repairs.”

The report states that further improvements to the walls will be needed in order to secure a longer term agreement with Condor, but recommends that these improvements are funded by the agreement.

Chairman of the harbour management board Councillor Dominic Lonsdale said the additional improvements are part of an ‘ongoing repair plan’.

He said: “This is nothing new. When the area around berth three was being surveyed more than a year ago, there was survey work done right around the harbour as well.

“What was identified then were the parts that needed doing now and what could be done later and it came down to a 15-year plan at a manageable cost.”

He added: “Not all of the work needed doing immediately so there is a plan in place for maintaining the walls and doing the initial work.”

Coun Lonsdale said not enough money had been put into the upkeep of the walls in the past.

He added: “That is now catching up with us.”

Condor pulled out of Weymouth, switching services to Poole in March 2012, after cracks appeared in the harbour wall.

Emergency repair work began, which was originally estimated to cost £50,000.

But this wasn’t successful and a major works programme costing £2million began in April, 2012.

The bill for these repairs more than doubled.

Condor resumed sailing from Weymouth in July this year.

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7:45am Mon 2 Dec 13

Parliamentarian says...

Surely just a case of upping the council tax?
Surely just a case of upping the council tax? Parliamentarian

8:04am Mon 2 Dec 13

AManFromMars says...

Parliamentarian wrote:
Surely just a case of upping the council tax?
How about upping the harbour fees instead?
[quote][p][bold]Parliamentarian[/bold] wrote: Surely just a case of upping the council tax?[/p][/quote]How about upping the harbour fees instead? AManFromMars

8:27am Mon 2 Dec 13

arlbergbahn says...

AManFromMars wrote:
Parliamentarian wrote:
Surely just a case of upping the council tax?
How about upping the harbour fees instead?
it'd make no difference to visitors to the Marina, which is a separate concern, the only thing that would do would be to put the less wealthy yachtsmen off visiting Weymouth. Putting up prices is nearly always counterproductive in the long term.
[quote][p][bold]AManFromMars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parliamentarian[/bold] wrote: Surely just a case of upping the council tax?[/p][/quote]How about upping the harbour fees instead?[/p][/quote]it'd make no difference to visitors to the Marina, which is a separate concern, the only thing that would do would be to put the less wealthy yachtsmen off visiting Weymouth. Putting up prices is nearly always counterproductive in the long term. arlbergbahn

8:41am Mon 2 Dec 13

The Fish says...

AManFromMars wrote:
Parliamentarian wrote:
Surely just a case of upping the council tax?
How about upping the harbour fees instead?
If the harbour fees collected previously had been used to maintain the harbour, rather than go into central coffers, then we would not be in this mess now.
[quote][p][bold]AManFromMars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parliamentarian[/bold] wrote: Surely just a case of upping the council tax?[/p][/quote]How about upping the harbour fees instead?[/p][/quote]If the harbour fees collected previously had been used to maintain the harbour, rather than go into central coffers, then we would not be in this mess now. The Fish

9:02am Mon 2 Dec 13

marabout says...

The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us.

Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.
The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us. Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon. marabout

9:27am Mon 2 Dec 13

GMax says...

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ??
If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ?
Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !!
.
GMax.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ?? If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ? Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !! . GMax. GMax

9:32am Mon 2 Dec 13

rjimmer says...

marabout wrote:
The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us.

Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.
Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax?
[quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us. Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.[/p][/quote]Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax? rjimmer

9:47am Mon 2 Dec 13

This-is-Weymouth says...

GMax wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ??
If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ?
Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !!
.
GMax.
Condor is the port’s major customer and contributes more than £7.7million a year to the Weymouth and Portland economy. Not £7.7 million in fees to the cowboys on North Quay. Source- Dorset Echo.
[quote][p][bold]GMax[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ?? If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ? Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !! . GMax.[/p][/quote]Condor is the port’s major customer and contributes more than £7.7million a year to the Weymouth and Portland economy. Not £7.7 million in fees to the cowboys on North Quay. Source- Dorset Echo. This-is-Weymouth

10:05am Mon 2 Dec 13

RobinofLocksley says...

GMax wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ??
If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ?
Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !!
.
GMax.
From the Echo recently:
"As Weymouth port’s biggest customer, Condor – which returned in July – brings at least £7.7million a year to the local economy. "

I recall Condor used to pay around £700,00 annually (?), but I haven't seen a published figure since the new agreement was made.

Can anyone explain what 'internal borrowing' actually means?
[quote][p][bold]GMax[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ?? If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ? Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !! . GMax.[/p][/quote]From the Echo recently: "As Weymouth port’s biggest customer, Condor – which returned in July – brings at least £7.7million a year to the local economy. " I recall Condor used to pay around £700,00 annually (?), but I haven't seen a published figure since the new agreement was made. Can anyone explain what 'internal borrowing' actually means? RobinofLocksley

10:40am Mon 2 Dec 13

common cence says...

Sell the harbour, North quay offices , Greenhill gardens , Weymouth beach,and anything else to give W P B C staff a bigger pension and dont be so selfish,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Sell the harbour, North quay offices , Greenhill gardens , Weymouth beach,and anything else to give W P B C staff a bigger pension and dont be so selfish,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, common cence

12:17pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

People need to understand that Weymouth & Portland Borough Council is effectively bankrupt and has been for a while now. In the great scheme of things these repairs are not overly expensive but if you have no money to start with the opposite is true.

There is good reason why the council will be soon be operating out of Dorchester and that all assets are being sold off and services removed or reduced – lack of money.

You only have to visit other south coast towns and cities to realise how remarkably poor Weymouth’s waterfront areas are (particularly the Backwater) and how underdeveloped and utilised they are. We are miles behind the likes of Southampton, Portsmouth, Poole, Bournemouth, Plymouth and Brighton.

The sooner the council gets out of the property business and sticks to simple core services the better in my opinion. The council has been nothing but a hindrance to this areas development for too long now. It is time they stepped aside and let others who know what they are doing take over.
People need to understand that Weymouth & Portland Borough Council is effectively bankrupt and has been for a while now. In the great scheme of things these repairs are not overly expensive but if you have no money to start with the opposite is true. There is good reason why the council will be soon be operating out of Dorchester and that all assets are being sold off and services removed or reduced – lack of money. You only have to visit other south coast towns and cities to realise how remarkably poor Weymouth’s waterfront areas are (particularly the Backwater) and how underdeveloped and utilised they are. We are miles behind the likes of Southampton, Portsmouth, Poole, Bournemouth, Plymouth and Brighton. The sooner the council gets out of the property business and sticks to simple core services the better in my opinion. The council has been nothing but a hindrance to this areas development for too long now. It is time they stepped aside and let others who know what they are doing take over. Caption Sensible

12:43pm Mon 2 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

This-is-Weymouth wrote:
GMax wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ??
If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ?
Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !!
.
GMax.
Condor is the port’s major customer and contributes more than £7.7million a year to the Weymouth and Portland economy. Not £7.7 million in fees to the cowboys on North Quay. Source- Dorset Echo.
Which is a very important point. Numbers like this should be regarded suspiciously.
Keen university student approaches ferry passenger and asks how much he is planning on spending while passing through Weymouth. The ferry passenger wants to be helpful, so picks a number out of thin air. More likely, there is a tick box on the questionnaire that says "£0-25", "£26-50", etc. So the real answer could be £0 or it could be £49.99. Which means the contribution to the economy could be £7.7m, or it could be precisely nothing.
I'm not suggesting that Condor is not important, it clearly is. I'm just saying that it is phenomenally hard to work out the contribution.
[quote][p][bold]This-is-Weymouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GMax[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ?? If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ? Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !! . GMax.[/p][/quote]Condor is the port’s major customer and contributes more than £7.7million a year to the Weymouth and Portland economy. Not £7.7 million in fees to the cowboys on North Quay. Source- Dorset Echo.[/p][/quote]Which is a very important point. Numbers like this should be regarded suspiciously. Keen university student approaches ferry passenger and asks how much he is planning on spending while passing through Weymouth. The ferry passenger wants to be helpful, so picks a number out of thin air. More likely, there is a tick box on the questionnaire that says "£0-25", "£26-50", etc. So the real answer could be £0 or it could be £49.99. Which means the contribution to the economy could be £7.7m, or it could be precisely nothing. I'm not suggesting that Condor is not important, it clearly is. I'm just saying that it is phenomenally hard to work out the contribution. JamesYoung

1:44pm Mon 2 Dec 13

ziggystardust says...

Sounds like the sort of cost associated with being a harbour town that wants to attract big operators.

Either we pay it and have condor operate from here, or we don't and they go elsewhere.

Not much choice really.
Sounds like the sort of cost associated with being a harbour town that wants to attract big operators. Either we pay it and have condor operate from here, or we don't and they go elsewhere. Not much choice really. ziggystardust

2:06pm Mon 2 Dec 13

jmc1 says...

rjimmer wrote:
marabout wrote:
The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us.

Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.
Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax?
Quote;Blue badge users,don't pay council tax,where did you dig that little story up from.
Oh how I wish that was true.
[quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us. Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.[/p][/quote]Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax?[/p][/quote]Quote;Blue badge users,don't pay council tax,where did you dig that little story up from. Oh how I wish that was true. jmc1

8:00pm Mon 2 Dec 13

rjimmer says...

jmc1 wrote:
rjimmer wrote:
marabout wrote:
The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us.

Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.
Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax?
Quote;Blue badge users,don't pay council tax,where did you dig that little story up from.
Oh how I wish that was true.
Read it again.
[quote][p][bold]jmc1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us. Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.[/p][/quote]Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax?[/p][/quote]Quote;Blue badge users,don't pay council tax,where did you dig that little story up from. Oh how I wish that was true.[/p][/quote]Read it again. rjimmer

8:04pm Mon 2 Dec 13

rjimmer says...

Condor should have gone to Portland. If it is a myth, as someone suggested, that ferry users don't cause traffic congestion, then they must be passing through the town at times very close to departure and arrival times, so they don't hang around to spend much, unless they stay in a guesthouse overnight.
Condor should have gone to Portland. If it is a myth, as someone suggested, that ferry users don't cause traffic congestion, then they must be passing through the town at times very close to departure and arrival times, so they don't hang around to spend much, unless they stay in a guesthouse overnight. rjimmer

8:41am Tue 3 Dec 13

Get a grip says...

GMax wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ??
If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ?
Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !!
.
GMax.
The £7 million talked about is the total benign to the town.

We have never been told how much condor pay
[quote][p][bold]GMax[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we all read in a previous story about all this that Condor brings in about £7M a year in fees ?? If this is so then how do they explain it taking 40 years to pay of they repair bill ? Oh well, maybe it's just me being silly !! . GMax.[/p][/quote]The £7 million talked about is the total benign to the town. We have never been told how much condor pay Get a grip

9:28am Tue 3 Dec 13

jmc1 says...

rjimmer wrote:
jmc1 wrote:
rjimmer wrote:
marabout wrote:
The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us.

Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.
Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax?
Quote;Blue badge users,don't pay council tax,where did you dig that little story up from.
Oh how I wish that was true.
Read it again.
I have read it again,explain,read it again
[quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jmc1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: The harbour is the heart and soul of our community and therefore the burden of these repairs shuold be borne by all of us. Lets stick an extra fiver on the council tax and get these repairs completed soon.[/p][/quote]Will that apply to those harbour users that park on Westwey Rd with blue badges in the window and don't pay Council Tax?[/p][/quote]Quote;Blue badge users,don't pay council tax,where did you dig that little story up from. Oh how I wish that was true.[/p][/quote]Read it again.[/p][/quote]I have read it again,explain,read it again jmc1

12:44pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Throckape says...

The money for the upkeep has been paid many times over in previous years, why should we have to pay even more...
The money for the upkeep has been paid many times over in previous years, why should we have to pay even more... Throckape

6:01pm Sat 7 Dec 13

westbaywonder says...

Brilliant management, like living in a cottage with a thatched roof and not keeping money aside for its repair and replacement which anyone with an ounce of sense would know is sooner or later going to be needed.

So citizens where has the money gone??
Brilliant management, like living in a cottage with a thatched roof and not keeping money aside for its repair and replacement which anyone with an ounce of sense would know is sooner or later going to be needed. So citizens where has the money gone?? westbaywonder

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