Proposal to move Weymouth and Portland council staff is slammed

Dorset Echo: Proposal to move council staff is slammed Proposal to move council staff is slammed

PLANS to move 100 Weymouth and Portland council staff to Dorchester have been slammed.

Councillors and trade representatives are calling for a rethink on proposals that would see nearly 100 Weymouth council workers relocated over the Ridgeway.

Staff could be based at West Dorset District Council when Weymouth and Portland Borough Council’s North Quay HQ closes, a report recommends.

Nearly 100 ‘back office’ staff would be relocated to the county town under the plan.

The report to councillors ahead of a meeting of Weymouth and Portland Borough Council’s management committee today recommends relocation to South Walks House as the most ‘cost effective solution’.

Mark Blunden, president of the Weymouth and Portland Chamber of Commerce, said he is ‘disappointed’ with the plan.

“This seems to be another example of jobs being bled from Weymouth to Dorchester.

“The more jobs we retain in Weymouth the better it is for the town.”

Nigel Reed, Weymouth Business Improvement District (BID) manager, said: “Every day these council workers come into town for a sandwich or a cup of coffee.

“If this goes ahead the council is officially taking away a boost of trade, even if you’ve got 100 people only spending £20 a week.

“There are plenty of offices above shops the council could look at using.”

The borough council, which shares services with the district council, has agreed ‘in principle’ to dispose of its North Quay site, which was built between 1968 and 1971 and has been used by the authority for 40 years.

Councillor Ray Banham, who represents Melcombe Regis, said he had concerns about the relocation recommendation.

“We don’t like it but it’s a matter of cost saving and retaining the services along with the front line staff,” he said.

Coun Christine James, who represents Westham North, said she wants the borough council to look at relocating locally.

“If we’ve got space we should try and relocate locally,” she said.

North Quay’s annual planned repairs and maintenance budget was £76,000 and the council has agreed to reduce that to £41,000 to produce a saving of £35,000 for this financial year.

Repair works have been identified that would cost more than £2million and require staff to move on a temporary basis, the report says.

It also suggests The Mulberry Centre in Commercial Road could be used for visitors to see council staff and make payments.

A civic suite for meetings could also be built in the town centre or an existing building could be converted, the report says.

'Maximum use of depot'

THE report, by the council’s director of environment David Evans, also says ‘maximum practical use’ should be made of the council-owned Crookhill Depot at Chickerell.

One of the report’s recommendations is to seek outline planning consent for the redevelopment of the prime waterside North Quay site.

The relocation of staff to the Crookhill Depot and South Walks House could happen early next year.

Staff have been consulted about the moves and were briefed on the contents of the report.

Councillors will decide on the recommendations at today’s meeting.

Savings of partnership

BOTH councils signed up to the WestWey Partnership in 2011.

The partnership working programme was devised to achieve £8.5million of savings over five years.

A total of 80 jobs were axed from both authorities to save money and a joint chief executive for the two authorities was appointed.

In October the Echo reported that a minibus taking council workers between offices in Weymouth and Dorchester cost £70,000 to run over the five month trial period it was in operation for.

Figures revealed that take-up was not as high as anticipated – out of 100 eligible workers just three people used the shuttle bus on one occasion and on average it was used by 40 workers a day.

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7:52am Tue 3 Dec 13

arlbergbahn says...

Why? It isn't exactly like relocating them to India, and if it means they can hurry up and wind up the incompetent Wey & P BC and either demolish or turn the offices into something potentially useful, surely the better it will be in the long run.
Why? It isn't exactly like relocating them to India, and if it means they can hurry up and wind up the incompetent Wey & P BC and either demolish or turn the offices into something potentially useful, surely the better it will be in the long run. arlbergbahn

8:12am Tue 3 Dec 13

Rocksalt says...

As a W&P Council Tax payer I would prefer that the jobs remained within the borough. Moving the jobs means moving money from W&P to Dorchester. That aside, I thought the general ideas was to locate back office functions in the cheapest available location. ( And cheapest is not determined by who happens to own a building on a particular day). I do not believe that property is cheaper in Dorchester than Weymouth.

As an aside, I actually support the idea of either a single county council with no District Councils (like Shropshire) or replacing the County Council and District Councils with new unitary authorities ( as in Bedfordshire). But you still wouldn't base back office functions in your most expensive location. What other business does that?
As a W&P Council Tax payer I would prefer that the jobs remained within the borough. Moving the jobs means moving money from W&P to Dorchester. That aside, I thought the general ideas was to locate back office functions in the cheapest available location. ( And cheapest is not determined by who happens to own a building on a particular day). I do not believe that property is cheaper in Dorchester than Weymouth. As an aside, I actually support the idea of either a single county council with no District Councils (like Shropshire) or replacing the County Council and District Councils with new unitary authorities ( as in Bedfordshire). But you still wouldn't base back office functions in your most expensive location. What other business does that? Rocksalt

8:17am Tue 3 Dec 13

stanichardie says...

The Land Registry is now half empty and prime for someone to go into and share. Surely it makes even more economic sense for 2 public bodies to share? The Weymouth Land Registry office may even close next year, so support from the council may help the Weymouth cause when the final sums are done.

PS - Yes, I know the building is in Chickerell, West Dorset!
The Land Registry is now half empty and prime for someone to go into and share. Surely it makes even more economic sense for 2 public bodies to share? The Weymouth Land Registry office may even close next year, so support from the council may help the Weymouth cause when the final sums are done. PS - Yes, I know the building is in Chickerell, West Dorset! stanichardie

8:36am Tue 3 Dec 13

marabout says...

Great idea. Bring these W&P workers to Dorchester and show them how to run an organisation.
Great idea. Bring these W&P workers to Dorchester and show them how to run an organisation. marabout

8:43am Tue 3 Dec 13

PHonnor says...

So the council gets "slammed" for coming up with ideas to plug the massive budget cuts it faces. People have bought up the idea of moving the council from a prime location so it can be sold of and the funds used to plug the gaps, what would people prefer, high council tax and business rates? Clearly the council have listened to peoples ideas so it may be worth making suggestions instead of critisising them without plans of your own. If people want the council to stay in the borough where is there already built that the council own they can move into because if they do not own it then they would need to pay for it to be brought up to standard and then rent, yes jobs would be lost to up the road but IMHO this is the lesser of the two evils.
So the council gets "slammed" for coming up with ideas to plug the massive budget cuts it faces. People have bought up the idea of moving the council from a prime location so it can be sold of and the funds used to plug the gaps, what would people prefer, high council tax and business rates? Clearly the council have listened to peoples ideas so it may be worth making suggestions instead of critisising them without plans of your own. If people want the council to stay in the borough where is there already built that the council own they can move into because if they do not own it then they would need to pay for it to be brought up to standard and then rent, yes jobs would be lost to up the road but IMHO this is the lesser of the two evils. PHonnor

8:55am Tue 3 Dec 13

Grimwade says...

Why build Civic offices in Weymouth ?
The Guildhall is up for sale, the Council have spent a lot of money there over the years and yet the offices attached to the Guildhall are used by a volunteer group, what rent they pay (if anything) will probably negate any cost against building or converting any where else.
The reception along the side where registry offices enquiries where is an ideal area for council/parking enquiries.
The offices are there, ok it might be a volunteer group doing some good, but times are hard, the council must be as well.
As for Civic reception area (l take it Mayors parlour etc.) what an ideal place, or is the Mayoral post on the chopping block as well ?
We are slowly losing our identity as an historic Borough with traditions going back to the 12th Century, just to be swallowed up.
Andy Blackwood says he cannot justify the car and the driver, but his group can vote for not saving the Borough £30k a year on all out elections.
watching remembrance day parades and other civic events including veterans day, this Borough does pomp and circumstance very well, and outside events very well.
l know Andy Blackwood does take the time to reply to answers, which l respect him for, how about the others, or are they just filling in their expense's forms, and not worrying about the Borough and just rolling over on their backs to be tickled by West Dorset ?
Why build Civic offices in Weymouth ? The Guildhall is up for sale, the Council have spent a lot of money there over the years and yet the offices attached to the Guildhall are used by a volunteer group, what rent they pay (if anything) will probably negate any cost against building or converting any where else. The reception along the side where registry offices enquiries where is an ideal area for council/parking enquiries. The offices are there, ok it might be a volunteer group doing some good, but times are hard, the council must be as well. As for Civic reception area (l take it Mayors parlour etc.) what an ideal place, or is the Mayoral post on the chopping block as well ? We are slowly losing our identity as an historic Borough with traditions going back to the 12th Century, just to be swallowed up. Andy Blackwood says he cannot justify the car and the driver, but his group can vote for not saving the Borough £30k a year on all out elections. watching remembrance day parades and other civic events including veterans day, this Borough does pomp and circumstance very well, and outside events very well. l know Andy Blackwood does take the time to reply to answers, which l respect him for, how about the others, or are they just filling in their expense's forms, and not worrying about the Borough and just rolling over on their backs to be tickled by West Dorset ? Grimwade

8:56am Tue 3 Dec 13

MattWey77 says...

100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use). MattWey77

9:35am Tue 3 Dec 13

vicky-13 says...

No parking problems at the current Land Registry Offices! And it is on a reasonable bus route. I thought the Land Registry site had already been considered and turned down because it fell outside the Borough or was this just a rumor. It would make more sense than Dorchester. The next thing we know we will be losing our borough status. I am all in favour of a single tier system for Dorset but would expect local sub offices.
No parking problems at the current Land Registry Offices! And it is on a reasonable bus route. I thought the Land Registry site had already been considered and turned down because it fell outside the Borough or was this just a rumor. It would make more sense than Dorchester. The next thing we know we will be losing our borough status. I am all in favour of a single tier system for Dorset but would expect local sub offices. vicky-13

9:36am Tue 3 Dec 13

Get a grip says...

W&P Council

RIP
W&P Council RIP Get a grip

9:37am Tue 3 Dec 13

Woodgate says...

'Slammed' ! I guess its only a matter of time before they 'rage' or recoil in 'horror' at this 'crisis'. Fact is that the consolidation of the WestWey council makes good economic and administrative sense. Weymouth desperately needs regeneration and should play to its strengths - having a convenient harbourside office for councillors to gaze out of the window from and for some staff to potter about in isn't one of them. WPBC needs to accelerate the disposal of obsolete property and get on with a strategy for attracting private investment in jobs and attractions in the borough - its not rocket science stuff to work out why more of Weymouth's spending is being drawn in by Dorchester is it ?
'Slammed' ! I guess its only a matter of time before they 'rage' or recoil in 'horror' at this 'crisis'. Fact is that the consolidation of the WestWey council makes good economic and administrative sense. Weymouth desperately needs regeneration and should play to its strengths - having a convenient harbourside office for councillors to gaze out of the window from and for some staff to potter about in isn't one of them. WPBC needs to accelerate the disposal of obsolete property and get on with a strategy for attracting private investment in jobs and attractions in the borough - its not rocket science stuff to work out why more of Weymouth's spending is being drawn in by Dorchester is it ? Woodgate

9:40am Tue 3 Dec 13

ziggystardust says...

This was always on the cards. It never made sense the size of the offices in Dorchester, now it makes perfect sense.

8.5m savings, hmm, the price of the harbour wall repairs..

Sadly we need to downsize, or pay more council tax, and it seems some people want neither.
This was always on the cards. It never made sense the size of the offices in Dorchester, now it makes perfect sense. 8.5m savings, hmm, the price of the harbour wall repairs.. Sadly we need to downsize, or pay more council tax, and it seems some people want neither. ziggystardust

10:22am Tue 3 Dec 13

rjimmer says...

MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
MattWey77 says...
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). @@@@@@Two double-decker buses on contract would be cheaper.
[quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]MattWey77 says... 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). @@@@@@Two double-decker buses on contract would be cheaper. rjimmer

11:04am Tue 3 Dec 13

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

With the availability of broadband today and the facility for exchange of documents by email together with conference calling over Skype, I don't see the need for geographical co-location of staff.
With the availability of broadband today and the facility for exchange of documents by email together with conference calling over Skype, I don't see the need for geographical co-location of staff. IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE

11:05am Tue 3 Dec 13

elloello1980 says...

ohh, they get angry when it's their jobs on the line..
ohh, they get angry when it's their jobs on the line.. elloello1980

11:34am Tue 3 Dec 13

The Fish says...

MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye
ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job!
[quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job! The Fish

12:14pm Tue 3 Dec 13

wykeregislad says...

let them move to dorchester, dont pay them travel expensences tough thats life at the end of the day most people travel to work and dont get expenses, and build something in its place that can bring in a profit to the town
let them move to dorchester, dont pay them travel expensences tough thats life at the end of the day most people travel to work and dont get expenses, and build something in its place that can bring in a profit to the town wykeregislad

12:15pm Tue 3 Dec 13

ziggystardust says...

The Fish wrote:
MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye

ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job!
Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken.

Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job![/p][/quote]Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken. Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense. ziggystardust

12:19pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Wrinklyrod says...

At first glance I thought "100 pen pushers losing their jobs at W&PBC." Yippee a reduction in my Council Tax.

No. The poor dears are not losing their jobs, only their 2 minute walk into town from their cushy car park.
At first glance I thought "100 pen pushers losing their jobs at W&PBC." Yippee a reduction in my Council Tax. No. The poor dears are not losing their jobs, only their 2 minute walk into town from their cushy car park. Wrinklyrod

12:29pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence.

This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi
ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester?

It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently.

This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.
It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough. Caption Sensible

12:44pm Tue 3 Dec 13

PHonnor says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.
We could start by electing an MP who will fight the boroughs corner and not take these cuts lying down!!
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]We could start by electing an MP who will fight the boroughs corner and not take these cuts lying down!! PHonnor

1:07pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

PHonnor wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote: It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.
We could start by electing an MP who will fight the boroughs corner and not take these cuts lying down!!
WE can start by fighting our own corner and not expecting others to do it all for us all the time.
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]We could start by electing an MP who will fight the boroughs corner and not take these cuts lying down!![/p][/quote]WE can start by fighting our own corner and not expecting others to do it all for us all the time. Caption Sensible

1:31pm Tue 3 Dec 13

dorch21 says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence.

This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi

ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester?

It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently.

This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.
Which is the county town! Enough said!

ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered!
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]Which is the county town! Enough said! ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered! dorch21

1:50pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Woodgate says...

dorch21 wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence.

This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi


ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester?

It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently.

This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.
Which is the county town! Enough said!

ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered!
I don't go along with this empire building and takeover theory. Tribal rivalries are irrelevant now. The inescapable fact is that we don't need 2 councils (3 inc DCC) with all their costs and agendas, each within a 10 mile radius. Rationalisation and improved efficiency is needed. Dorchester is a good hub location. W & P just need councillors and officers of the right calibre to ensure the biggest conurbation gets proper representation and its share of investment - therein lies the problem...
[quote][p][bold]dorch21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]Which is the county town! Enough said! ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered![/p][/quote]I don't go along with this empire building and takeover theory. Tribal rivalries are irrelevant now. The inescapable fact is that we don't need 2 councils (3 inc DCC) with all their costs and agendas, each within a 10 mile radius. Rationalisation and improved efficiency is needed. Dorchester is a good hub location. W & P just need councillors and officers of the right calibre to ensure the biggest conurbation gets proper representation and its share of investment - therein lies the problem... Woodgate

2:35pm Tue 3 Dec 13

woodsedge says...

ziggystardust wrote:
The Fish wrote:
MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye


ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job!
Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken.

Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.
These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time.
[quote][p][bold]ziggystardust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job![/p][/quote]Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken. Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.[/p][/quote]These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time. woodsedge

3:20pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Laadeeda says...

I simply see this as a method of keeping a council building in Dorchester going at the expense of Weymouth.

Wasn't there something in this marvellous rag some time ago regards the future of the council offices in Dorchester. Now they have found a use for it after all.!!!!

Cynical mode off!
I simply see this as a method of keeping a council building in Dorchester going at the expense of Weymouth. Wasn't there something in this marvellous rag some time ago regards the future of the council offices in Dorchester. Now they have found a use for it after all.!!!! Cynical mode off! Laadeeda

3:39pm Tue 3 Dec 13

CoogarUK.com says...

If you don't want yet another idea slammed then please don't pay for their transport costs again.
If you don't want yet another idea slammed then please don't pay for their transport costs again. CoogarUK.com

3:47pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Bertie_Wyke says...

Accommodation within the ground floor of the Land Registry building was considered about 2-3 years ago. It gained serious traction but eventually it became apparent that the rental costs would negate any savings from the move. In short, the Land Registry was asking too much.
Accommodation within the ground floor of the Land Registry building was considered about 2-3 years ago. It gained serious traction but eventually it became apparent that the rental costs would negate any savings from the move. In short, the Land Registry was asking too much. Bertie_Wyke

4:06pm Tue 3 Dec 13

stanichardie says...

Land Registry only lease the land....from the Council.
Land Registry only lease the land....from the Council. stanichardie

4:42pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Get a grip says...

I have just walked past the W&P building and all the lights were on but the building was empty.

I think they might have moved out already.
I have just walked past the W&P building and all the lights were on but the building was empty. I think they might have moved out already. Get a grip

5:53pm Tue 3 Dec 13

PHonnor says...

Woodgate wrote:
dorch21 wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence.

This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi



ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester?

It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently.

This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.
Which is the county town! Enough said!

ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered!
I don't go along with this empire building and takeover theory. Tribal rivalries are irrelevant now. The inescapable fact is that we don't need 2 councils (3 inc DCC) with all their costs and agendas, each within a 10 mile radius. Rationalisation and improved efficiency is needed. Dorchester is a good hub location. W & P just need councillors and officers of the right calibre to ensure the biggest conurbation gets proper representation and its share of investment - therein lies the problem...
I would of thought that being roughly the same size as WDDC population wise, any new merged council would have a 50/50 split with a reduced number of councillors from both areas.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorch21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]Which is the county town! Enough said! ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered![/p][/quote]I don't go along with this empire building and takeover theory. Tribal rivalries are irrelevant now. The inescapable fact is that we don't need 2 councils (3 inc DCC) with all their costs and agendas, each within a 10 mile radius. Rationalisation and improved efficiency is needed. Dorchester is a good hub location. W & P just need councillors and officers of the right calibre to ensure the biggest conurbation gets proper representation and its share of investment - therein lies the problem...[/p][/quote]I would of thought that being roughly the same size as WDDC population wise, any new merged council would have a 50/50 split with a reduced number of councillors from both areas. PHonnor

7:10pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

50/50 split? Do you honestly believe that?

It will be the end of Weymouth and Portland as an independent borough and yet more haemorrhaging of jobs. You should see the stream of red car tail lights leaving the borough in the morning, with precious little coming the other way. It is like the lifeblood of the town leaving, for another town's benefit...

Also what would happen for instance in the future when a W&PBC employee leaves or retires? The assimilation into one council would be slow but remorseless.

What kind of town with any sense of worth would allow itself to be governed by a competitor town? And what’s more, not even have its own town hall? That is village mentality, not Olympic Borough mentality. Even Chickerell has a town hall for goodness sake.
50/50 split? Do you honestly believe that? It will be the end of Weymouth and Portland as an independent borough and yet more haemorrhaging of jobs. You should see the stream of red car tail lights leaving the borough in the morning, with precious little coming the other way. It is like the lifeblood of the town leaving, for another town's benefit... Also what would happen for instance in the future when a W&PBC employee leaves or retires? The assimilation into one council would be slow but remorseless. What kind of town with any sense of worth would allow itself to be governed by a competitor town? And what’s more, not even have its own town hall? That is village mentality, not Olympic Borough mentality. Even Chickerell has a town hall for goodness sake. Caption Sensible

9:05pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

dorch21 wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence.

This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi


ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester?

It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently.

This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.
Which is the county town! Enough said!

ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered!
Yes, but not consistently at Weymouth's expense!
[quote][p][bold]dorch21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: It was blindingly obvious that the so-called merger between the two councils was nothing more than a takeover by West Dorset District Council of a larger authority lacking in self-esteem and confidence. This is once again asset stripping of Weymouth and Portland and a real downgrading in status of the Borough. Think about it; a borough that can trace its roots back to the 12th century and has an incredible (yet largely ignored history) and is easily the largest settlement in the area will not even have its own council to run its own affairs, how wrong is that!! Irrespective of what the views are of the present council, it is just plain wrong! Do you honestly think future opportunities/decisi ons that may affect one or the other area will go Weymouth and Portland’s way, if a joint council is based in Dorchester? It started with the relocation of the majority of the hospital services back in the 80’s and has gathered pace since. All the major constituent parts that make up a community of real status (medical/health, educational, retail, services, governance) will be based in Dorchester. No wonder Dorchester felt bold enough to apply for city status recently. This is nothing more than empire building and I say fight fire with fire. Resist this takeover, stand-up for Weymouth and Portland, and let’s aim for city status ourselves and let’s get this borough growing again and brimming with confidence and esteem. Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]Which is the county town! Enough said! ps: I do actually agree with the Land Registry option, far more logical & sensible which is why it will never be considered![/p][/quote]Yes, but not consistently at Weymouth's expense! Caption Sensible

10:27pm Tue 3 Dec 13

altozebedee says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
With the availability of broadband today and the facility for exchange of documents by email together with conference calling over Skype, I don't see the need for geographical co-location of staff.
I wonder if it has been looked into that instead of paying these 100 staff to travel up over the hill as IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE said about broadband and skype etc would it not be better to pay them and electricity allowance and they could work from home. thus keeping their money in Weymouth, keeping potentially an extra 100 cars in the rush hour traveling to Dorchester thus clogging up the roads between. Someone mentioned redundant buildings and offices, well how about the offices above the pavilion or if an office is needed about parking etc then the old tourist information building would be ideal.
Maybe we could look at building houses right the way between the two towns and make it into one big town thus solving the problem. we could even share one football club. now that would be another can of worms opened up if we were too explore that avenue again.
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: With the availability of broadband today and the facility for exchange of documents by email together with conference calling over Skype, I don't see the need for geographical co-location of staff.[/p][/quote]I wonder if it has been looked into that instead of paying these 100 staff to travel up over the hill as IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE said about broadband and skype etc would it not be better to pay them and electricity allowance and they could work from home. thus keeping their money in Weymouth, keeping potentially an extra 100 cars in the rush hour traveling to Dorchester thus clogging up the roads between. Someone mentioned redundant buildings and offices, well how about the offices above the pavilion or if an office is needed about parking etc then the old tourist information building would be ideal. Maybe we could look at building houses right the way between the two towns and make it into one big town thus solving the problem. we could even share one football club. now that would be another can of worms opened up if we were too explore that avenue again. altozebedee

10:03am Wed 4 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything.

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time! Caption Sensible

10:48am Wed 4 Dec 13

dorset & proud says...

Why are we assuming that all 100 staff are from Weymouth?

I understand that during the initial merger and subsequent closure of Stratton House, some departments moved from Dorchester to Weymouth and vice-versa.

WPBC has an office in a prime location ripe for development opportunity, their finances were pretty much screwed before joining up with WDDC so why not sell off the offices?
Why are we assuming that all 100 staff are from Weymouth? I understand that during the initial merger and subsequent closure of Stratton House, some departments moved from Dorchester to Weymouth and vice-versa. WPBC has an office in a prime location ripe for development opportunity, their finances were pretty much screwed before joining up with WDDC so why not sell off the offices? dorset & proud

12:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

MaidofDorset says...

My employer relocated me from Dorchester to Weymouth with no travelling costs. They made reasonable adjustments 'take your travelling time out of your lunch hour' ( I had to take the kids to school first). They told me I was lucky to still be in a job and a 7 mile journey is not at all unreasonable.
My employer relocated me from Dorchester to Weymouth with no travelling costs. They made reasonable adjustments 'take your travelling time out of your lunch hour' ( I had to take the kids to school first). They told me I was lucky to still be in a job and a 7 mile journey is not at all unreasonable. MaidofDorset

1:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

boobooweymouth says...

dorset & proud wrote:
Why are we assuming that all 100 staff are from Weymouth?

I understand that during the initial merger and subsequent closure of Stratton House, some departments moved from Dorchester to Weymouth and vice-versa.

WPBC has an office in a prime location ripe for development opportunity, their finances were pretty much screwed before joining up with WDDC so why not sell off the offices?
The offices are being sold off - see the North Quay documents on http://webapps-wpbc.
dorsetforyou.com/app
s/democracy/manageme
ntDocuments.asp for plans of what's proposed etc. That's the whole reason for the staff being relocated (incidentally there are more like 300 staff at North Quay, 100 is just the number of back-office staff)
[quote][p][bold]dorset & proud[/bold] wrote: Why are we assuming that all 100 staff are from Weymouth? I understand that during the initial merger and subsequent closure of Stratton House, some departments moved from Dorchester to Weymouth and vice-versa. WPBC has an office in a prime location ripe for development opportunity, their finances were pretty much screwed before joining up with WDDC so why not sell off the offices?[/p][/quote]The offices are being sold off - see the North Quay documents on http://webapps-wpbc. dorsetforyou.com/app s/democracy/manageme ntDocuments.asp for plans of what's proposed etc. That's the whole reason for the staff being relocated (incidentally there are more like 300 staff at North Quay, 100 is just the number of back-office staff) boobooweymouth

7:03pm Wed 4 Dec 13

JackJohnson says...

rjimmer wrote:
MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
MattWey77 says...
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). @@@@@@Two double-decker buses on contract would be cheaper.
Bear in mind that for some staff the distance from home to Dorchester will be less than home to the their current workplace. They will not get a travel allowance.

Also, it will take less than three years to identify and eliminate unnecessary duplication of jobs.
[quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]MattWey77 says... 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). @@@@@@Two double-decker buses on contract would be cheaper.[/p][/quote]Bear in mind that for some staff the distance from home to Dorchester will be less than home to the their current workplace. They will not get a travel allowance. Also, it will take less than three years to identify and eliminate unnecessary duplication of jobs. JackJohnson

8:16pm Wed 4 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
ziggystardust wrote:
The Fish wrote:
MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye



ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job!
Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken.

Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.
These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time.
I don't see this as a symptom of the public sector being broken, i see it as a symptom of the public sector trimming waste. If you saw the article in the Daily Telegraph lambasting Osborne for not being honest about the scale of the cuts we face (an extra 0.5% of GDP reduction every year until 2060 you'll start to see why this is necessary. A political football it may be, but it is a real issue.
That said, if there is an entitlement to reimbursement of costs, that should be honoured. Many of these people will be on low incomes. Over time i suspect we'll see roles consolidated and jobs being lost....but maybe not before the obvious merger with DCC happens.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ziggystardust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job![/p][/quote]Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken. Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.[/p][/quote]These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time.[/p][/quote]I don't see this as a symptom of the public sector being broken, i see it as a symptom of the public sector trimming waste. If you saw the article in the Daily Telegraph lambasting Osborne for not being honest about the scale of the cuts we face (an extra 0.5% of GDP reduction every year until 2060 you'll start to see why this is necessary. A political football it may be, but it is a real issue. That said, if there is an entitlement to reimbursement of costs, that should be honoured. Many of these people will be on low incomes. Over time i suspect we'll see roles consolidated and jobs being lost....but maybe not before the obvious merger with DCC happens. JamesYoung

8:19pm Wed 4 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything.

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew. JamesYoung

10:21pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything.

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town.

And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else.

If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.[/p][/quote]It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people). Caption Sensible

3:53pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Ray Nowak says...

Some Facts - the move from North Quay has all Party support , we all recognise the site has potential for more than an outdated Council Office.

Various options to relocate back office staff were considered but there were no costing's as per location , and I don't sign blank cheques.

If these 100 jobs are moved to Dorch then it will result in fewer job opportunities in Weymouth and Portland which already has too few 'living wage' jobs but tends to depend on seasonal work which results in low incomes and high benefit claims.

Portland council office is almost empty and is owned by WPBC so it has potential for back office staff , but that was not even considered until it was pressed but it was quickly dismissed as a building in poor condition and wrong location . Given that most back office work is electronic I don't understand the meaning of wrong location.

If we have 100 jobs moved to Dorch the spend by staff will shift away from our Borough

That's why I voted against the report and I wait to see a full and cost detail before I can support any option .
Some Facts - the move from North Quay has all Party support , we all recognise the site has potential for more than an outdated Council Office. Various options to relocate back office staff were considered but there were no costing's as per location , and I don't sign blank cheques. If these 100 jobs are moved to Dorch then it will result in fewer job opportunities in Weymouth and Portland which already has too few 'living wage' jobs but tends to depend on seasonal work which results in low incomes and high benefit claims. Portland council office is almost empty and is owned by WPBC so it has potential for back office staff , but that was not even considered until it was pressed but it was quickly dismissed as a building in poor condition and wrong location . Given that most back office work is electronic I don't understand the meaning of wrong location. If we have 100 jobs moved to Dorch the spend by staff will shift away from our Borough That's why I voted against the report and I wait to see a full and cost detail before I can support any option . Ray Nowak

11:45pm Thu 5 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything.

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town.

And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else.

If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).
I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way.
Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices).
Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them.
There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning?
My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester.
So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.[/p][/quote]It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like. JamesYoung

2:12am Fri 6 Dec 13

Oldgrumblebelly says...

A pint in Brewery Square, eh? What, all of us..?
A pint in Brewery Square, eh? What, all of us..? Oldgrumblebelly

9:47am Fri 6 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

Oldgrumblebelly wrote:
A pint in Brewery Square, eh? What, all of us..?
If you're all coming, it might have to be Tom Brown's.
[quote][p][bold]Oldgrumblebelly[/bold] wrote: A pint in Brewery Square, eh? What, all of us..?[/p][/quote]If you're all coming, it might have to be Tom Brown's. JamesYoung

12:20pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).
I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.
But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start).

Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)?

Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that.

Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.[/p][/quote]It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.[/p][/quote]But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start). Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)? Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that. Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town? Caption Sensible

5:15pm Fri 6 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).
I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.
But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start).

Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)?

Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that.

Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?
Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.[/p][/quote]It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.[/p][/quote]But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start). Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)? Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that. Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?[/p][/quote]Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth. JamesYoung

6:26pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).
I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.
But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start).

Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)?

Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that.

Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?
Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth.
Dorset County Council is not a Town.

And a good proportion (me included) of the remaining 64,900 people are working out of town. There is a massive net exodus (two roads out, one road in) of people leaving the Borough every single day. These people (including me) would like to be in my home town, spending money and maintaining, my home town. This proposal would just add to the jobs disparity between the two towns.

I think this letter writer sums the situation up quite nicely:

http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/yoursay
/yourletters/1086041
5.It_s_time_to_wake_
up/
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.[/p][/quote]It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.[/p][/quote]But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start). Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)? Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that. Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?[/p][/quote]Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth.[/p][/quote]Dorset County Council is not a Town. And a good proportion (me included) of the remaining 64,900 people are working out of town. There is a massive net exodus (two roads out, one road in) of people leaving the Borough every single day. These people (including me) would like to be in my home town, spending money and maintaining, my home town. This proposal would just add to the jobs disparity between the two towns. I think this letter writer sums the situation up quite nicely: http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/yoursay /yourletters/1086041 5.It_s_time_to_wake_ up/ Caption Sensible

8:01am Sat 7 Dec 13

woodsedge says...

Wow, still getting over the shock of an article on public sector workers where the 'locals' are not suggesting that they are strung up from a lamp post or something on the bottom of someone's shoe! Must be the festive spirit.
Wow, still getting over the shock of an article on public sector workers where the 'locals' are not suggesting that they are strung up from a lamp post or something on the bottom of someone's shoe! Must be the festive spirit. woodsedge

4:55pm Sat 7 Dec 13

westbaywonder says...

"There There" said the Mayor "Thats That"
"There There" said the Mayor "Thats That" westbaywonder

10:04pm Sat 7 Dec 13

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
ziggystardust wrote:
The Fish wrote:
MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye



ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job!
Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken.

Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.
These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time.
Coming from a union man, thanks but no thanks time to join the real world Woodsedge instead of blaming everybody else as usual.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ziggystardust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job![/p][/quote]Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken. Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.[/p][/quote]These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time.[/p][/quote]Coming from a union man, thanks but no thanks time to join the real world Woodsedge instead of blaming everybody else as usual. cj07589

11:32pm Sat 7 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).
I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.
But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start).

Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)?

Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that.

Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?
Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth.
Dorset County Council is not a Town.

And a good proportion (me included) of the remaining 64,900 people are working out of town. There is a massive net exodus (two roads out, one road in) of people leaving the Borough every single day. These people (including me) would like to be in my home town, spending money and maintaining, my home town. This proposal would just add to the jobs disparity between the two towns.

I think this letter writer sums the situation up quite nicely:

http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/yoursay

/yourletters/1086041

5.It_s_time_to_wake_

up/
You asked whether i could think of a town where the town hall was in another town. Dorset County Council is responsible for the whole county, so therefore, all of the towns other than Dorchester are in exactly this position.
All of us would like to work in the town where we live (i have to live in a run down London travelodge 3 days a week), but that's not the way the world is anymore. And i say again, Weymouth has lost 100 jobs. Even if we assume that only 50% of the people of Weymouth work, then that's still less that 0.3%.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.[/p][/quote]It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.[/p][/quote]But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start). Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)? Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that. Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?[/p][/quote]Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth.[/p][/quote]Dorset County Council is not a Town. And a good proportion (me included) of the remaining 64,900 people are working out of town. There is a massive net exodus (two roads out, one road in) of people leaving the Borough every single day. These people (including me) would like to be in my home town, spending money and maintaining, my home town. This proposal would just add to the jobs disparity between the two towns. I think this letter writer sums the situation up quite nicely: http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/yoursay /yourletters/1086041 5.It_s_time_to_wake_ up/[/p][/quote]You asked whether i could think of a town where the town hall was in another town. Dorset County Council is responsible for the whole county, so therefore, all of the towns other than Dorchester are in exactly this position. All of us would like to work in the town where we live (i have to live in a run down London travelodge 3 days a week), but that's not the way the world is anymore. And i say again, Weymouth has lost 100 jobs. Even if we assume that only 50% of the people of Weymouth work, then that's still less that 0.3%. JamesYoung

11:34pm Sat 7 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time!
Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.
It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).
I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.
But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start).

Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)?

Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that.

Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?
Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth.
Dorset County Council is not a Town.

And a good proportion (me included) of the remaining 64,900 people are working out of town. There is a massive net exodus (two roads out, one road in) of people leaving the Borough every single day. These people (including me) would like to be in my home town, spending money and maintaining, my home town. This proposal would just add to the jobs disparity between the two towns.

I think this letter writer sums the situation up quite nicely:

http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/yoursay

/yourletters/1086041

5.It_s_time_to_wake_

up/
The writer of this letter is an ex public sector employee who retired many years ago with a decent pension and probably a large pay off. To be frank, his views are outdated and its not for him to require that the next generation of tax payers maintain an inefficient infrasutrcutre.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Final words from me: Could you imagine Poole Town Hall being in Bournemouth and vice-versa? Civic pride and local autonomy would not allow it. So, share common resources yes, make financial savings where possible, but become one council? No way, I know which area would be far worse off and do you know what? Sometimes money is simply not everything. Weymouth and Portland Borough Council; raise your game and stop acquiescing all the time![/p][/quote]Sorry, but money is everything in this case. We simply must have a lean and efficient public sector and this is a step in the right direction. I live in Dorchester. It wouldn't have bothered me one iota if the staff in Dorchester had relocated to Weymouth. We are two towns almost within eyesight of each other. There is only this rivalry because of some silly old invisible boundary that somebody drew.[/p][/quote]It is not rivalry - it is history. Two separate places, two different histories, two different cultures. One a seaport, one a market town. And Weymouth has been pillaged for too long now. All services and functions are being removed piece by piece. I accept Weymouth has not done itself any favours but things are getting ridiculous. Soon there will be just housing and nothing else. If it was not for Weymouth folk there would not be any new fancy shops, restaurants etc., in Dorchester. Dorchester exists (in its present form) at Weymouth's expense (and people).[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, but i just don't see it that way. Of course, Brewery Square and its fancy new shops and restaurants depend on a catchment area that includes Weymouth (and probably Bridport, and possibly Sherborne, and certainly all the villages around and about). That's not in dispute. However, this was private investment and nothing to do with the council (in fact, in my view the Council took the prime retail space in Dorchester for their own offices). Turn a blind eye to restaurants and shops and you'll see loads of employment in Weymouth. Where is Dorchester's New Look HQ? Where is it's DEK printing machines? Where is Ultra? Where is TECAN? Where is Universal? We don't have them - Weymouth has them. There are 65,000 people living in Weymouth and Portland. You've lost 100 jobs to Dorchester. What are the other 64,900 people doing? And why does it take so long to get into Weymouth in the morning? My best friend works on Portland. Two drinking buddies work on the Granby. Another works near the Nothe. I'm sure you could name half a dozen people that commute to Dorchester. Weymouth is not being pillaged. The Granby is thriving. Sure, the town centre needs a revamp, but it's not all bad. At least you have skilled jobs on the Granby. Aside from the council and the hospital, there are few in Dorchester. So again, let's stop all this silly tribalism. Come over the the Ridgeway and i'll buy you a pint :-). At Brewery Square, if you like.[/p][/quote]But those 100 jobs are local governance-based (and would be just the start). Like a previous correspondent stated: If Weymouth & Portland Borough Council themselves are not going to invest in the borough, how can we expect outsiders to do so (or words to that effect)? Two separate town's, two separate council's. Share common resources but leave it at that. Do you know of any other town hall, being in another town?[/p][/quote]Yes. Dorset County Council is in Dorchester. It looks after people in Poole, Bridport and Weymouth.[/p][/quote]Dorset County Council is not a Town. And a good proportion (me included) of the remaining 64,900 people are working out of town. There is a massive net exodus (two roads out, one road in) of people leaving the Borough every single day. These people (including me) would like to be in my home town, spending money and maintaining, my home town. This proposal would just add to the jobs disparity between the two towns. I think this letter writer sums the situation up quite nicely: http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/yoursay /yourletters/1086041 5.It_s_time_to_wake_ up/[/p][/quote]The writer of this letter is an ex public sector employee who retired many years ago with a decent pension and probably a large pay off. To be frank, his views are outdated and its not for him to require that the next generation of tax payers maintain an inefficient infrasutrcutre. JamesYoung

4:58pm Sun 8 Dec 13

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
ziggystardust wrote:
The Fish wrote:
MattWey77 wrote:
100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong).

Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).
Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye




ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job!
Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken.

Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.
These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time.
Coming from a union man, thanks but no thanks time to join the real world Woodsedge instead of blaming everybody else as usual.
Thanks but no thanks for what!! If you mean joining the real world, then I gave up on you a long time ago!
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ziggystardust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattWey77[/bold] wrote: 100 staff (lets assume all who live in Weymouth), so that means 100 x 3 years of travel allowances to get to Dorchester.... Granted the distance isn't that far, but the staff are entitled to claim the allowance so I am sure they will (not saying that is wrong). Personally I think one central body of staff should be more efficient, but not over the overheads of getting them all together in one place is too great. As someone else mentioned.... plenty of office space in town (granted, there is less parking, but that might encourage more walking, cycling, public transport use).[/p][/quote]Why should they be entitled to travel allowance - a mere distance of 7/8 miles. In the private sector we do not get allowances and a lot of people travel a lot further from Weymouth, i.e. Poole/Bournemouth/Ye ovil. If they do'nt like it get another job![/p][/quote]Sadly, this is just another thing in the huge gap between how the public sector works and how the private sector operates, and it's why the public sector is so badly broken. Back on planet earth (the private sector), if my job was relocated 10 miles away, I would have the option of not signing the new contract of employment that stated my workplace and getting a new job, or accepting the change and commute. There would be no transport allowances or other nonsense.[/p][/quote]These workers are not getting presented with a new contract. The public sector is only broken because it is a political football that working people kick around, instead of holding those accountable for the problems working people face namely the politicians. The keyboard warriors, the far right and the left on this forum fall for it every time.[/p][/quote]Coming from a union man, thanks but no thanks time to join the real world Woodsedge instead of blaming everybody else as usual.[/p][/quote]Thanks but no thanks for what!! If you mean joining the real world, then I gave up on you a long time ago! woodsedge

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