Growing concerns over traffic system in town

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CAMPAIGNERS are hopeful that council chiefs will make changes to Weymouth’s much criticised traffic system after they agreed to review it.

Dorset County Council has been under pressure to sort out the ‘intelligent’ light-controlled system following a barrage of complaints that it isn’t working or that at least certain aspects need changing.

Park District resident and former community group leader Ken Whatley initially led calls for a public meeting amid growing concerns. That hasn’t happened – although council officers did invite him to County Hall for discussions.

While they haven’t confirmed changes will be made, chief executive Debbie Ward promised to look at it again, acknowledging ‘safety concerns’ which had been raised.

She will be reporting back to Mr Whatley and another resident, Dave Burchill, at a private meeting tomorrow.

Traffic lights replaced main roundabouts during 2010-11 for the Weymouth Transport Package as DCC looked to improve traffic flows in the run-up to the Olympics.

But there has been criticism of increased congestion and problem junctions. A poll on our website found that 95 per cent of people agreed the scheme wasn’t working.

The local Green Party said its own surveys indicated more than two thirds of people thought the junctions near Asda and on Boot Hill did not work.

At an earlier meeting with DCC, Mr Whatley and Mr Burchill complained there had been a ‘criminal waste’ of £18million on the Weymouth Transport Pack-age and claimed the system was ‘worse than before’ with increased pollution, longer queues and extended journey times.

They raised a number of points including: n Gridlock on the Esplanade.

  •  Unclear lane signage.
  • Efficient floral roundabouts replaced by ‘ugly’ junctions surrounded by weeds.
  •  ‘Dangerous’ right turn at Asda junction.
  • Queues around Boot Hill and need for improved traffic light sequencing.
  • Blocked King Street/Queen Street junction.
  • No bus/rail interchange Mr Whatley said: “The council officers said they would look at the issues we had raised. Whether they will do anything about it is another matter but we’ll see what they say at our next meeting.

“They didn’t say no but they didn’t say yes either.

“There may be things that can be tweaked.”

Mr Burchill said he was surprised at the earlier meeting to hear that council officers admitted there were issues that could be addressed.

Chief executive of Dorset County Council, Debbie Ward, said: “Mr Whatley and Mr Burchill have raised clear safety concerns, in particular at the Asda junction and in the King Street corridor. We have agreed to review the issues raised and we will be speaking to the colleagues in the borough council as it affects Weymouth seafront.

“I have also agreed to meet again to exchange information and clarify if any changes can be made.

“We are pleased to have met Mr Whatley and Mr Burchill and to have listened to their concerns.”

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6:23am Wed 11 Dec 13

Polyvista says...

The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS!
The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS! Polyvista

7:18am Wed 11 Dec 13

The Fish says...

Polyvista wrote:
The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS!
You obviously cannot remeber the 'dead' period when waiting to get out from ASDA up Boot hill - in the old days you could be waiting for ages (10+ minutes) as the through traffic was continuous going down Boot hill or queueing along Westway road for an eternity - at least now that wait is considerably reduced with the lights. Yes the lights need adjusting to stop traffic crossing each other but they are much better than the roundabouts before.
[quote][p][bold]Polyvista[/bold] wrote: The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS![/p][/quote]You obviously cannot remeber the 'dead' period when waiting to get out from ASDA up Boot hill - in the old days you could be waiting for ages (10+ minutes) as the through traffic was continuous going down Boot hill or queueing along Westway road for an eternity - at least now that wait is considerably reduced with the lights. Yes the lights need adjusting to stop traffic crossing each other but they are much better than the roundabouts before. The Fish

8:07am Wed 11 Dec 13

arlbergbahn says...

I like the slogan on the back of the van in the no doubt carefully chosen picture to illustrate this story: "Complete Madness". :D
I like the slogan on the back of the van in the no doubt carefully chosen picture to illustrate this story: "Complete Madness". :D arlbergbahn

8:14am Wed 11 Dec 13

arlbergbahn says...

However, please note the Council people don't say that they'll think about ways to make it more efficient and reduce congestion; what they say is "“Mr Whatley and Mr Burchill have raised clear safety concerns, in particular at the Asda junction and in the King Street corridor." And what i suspect that probably means is that the Council will decide to put in MORE traffic lights, since we all know that the way to improve safety, in the minds of politicians, is simply to slow traffic down.
However, please note the Council people don't say that they'll think about ways to make it more efficient and reduce congestion; what they say is "“Mr Whatley and Mr Burchill have raised clear safety concerns, in particular at the Asda junction and in the King Street corridor." And what i suspect that probably means is that the Council will decide to put in MORE traffic lights, since we all know that the way to improve safety, in the minds of politicians, is simply to slow traffic down. arlbergbahn

9:49am Wed 11 Dec 13

melcombe boy says...

Mass hysteria by people who refuse to take their rose tinted spectacles off! I wonder if the moaners are the same people who don't understand the rules of the road when the lanes merge on the Ridgeway!
Fact. The traffic was abysmal when the system was controlled by roundabouts. People have such short memories.
The lights aren't perfect but with a bit of positive thinking instead of the hysterical criticism the problems can be ironed out.
Mass hysteria by people who refuse to take their rose tinted spectacles off! I wonder if the moaners are the same people who don't understand the rules of the road when the lanes merge on the Ridgeway! Fact. The traffic was abysmal when the system was controlled by roundabouts. People have such short memories. The lights aren't perfect but with a bit of positive thinking instead of the hysterical criticism the problems can be ironed out. melcombe boy

9:54am Wed 11 Dec 13

annotater says...

In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work!
Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer.
In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work! Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer. annotater

10:17am Wed 11 Dec 13

melcombe boy says...

annotater wrote:
In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work!
Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer.
Can you show the statistical proof to back your claims!
[quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work! Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer.[/p][/quote]Can you show the statistical proof to back your claims! melcombe boy

10:24am Wed 11 Dec 13

keely1469 says...

It would be alot easier if all the lights run on the same system, the best ones are the ones at the end of Abbotsbury Road one direction of traffic at a time, the others are all criss cross.
It would be alot easier if all the lights run on the same system, the best ones are the ones at the end of Abbotsbury Road one direction of traffic at a time, the others are all criss cross. keely1469

10:46am Wed 11 Dec 13

monkeydog says...

The Fish wrote:
Polyvista wrote:
The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS!
You obviously cannot remeber the 'dead' period when waiting to get out from ASDA up Boot hill - in the old days you could be waiting for ages (10+ minutes) as the through traffic was continuous going down Boot hill or queueing along Westway road for an eternity - at least now that wait is considerably reduced with the lights. Yes the lights need adjusting to stop traffic crossing each other but they are much better than the roundabouts before.
It is quicker leaving Asda to go up Boot Hill, as you say, but it is far more dangerous than it used to be. I have seen many drivers following the wrong route because they don't understand the layout. The real problem is that approaching Asda from Rodwell Road is much slower than it was with the roundabouts, with unnecessary delays at Wyke Road. Roundabouts are far more efficient and safer than junctions and are being installed throughout Europe because of this. What has happened in Weymouth is due to the conservative and rigid thinking of planners and politicians and has life worse for many local people.
[quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Polyvista[/bold] wrote: The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS![/p][/quote]You obviously cannot remeber the 'dead' period when waiting to get out from ASDA up Boot hill - in the old days you could be waiting for ages (10+ minutes) as the through traffic was continuous going down Boot hill or queueing along Westway road for an eternity - at least now that wait is considerably reduced with the lights. Yes the lights need adjusting to stop traffic crossing each other but they are much better than the roundabouts before.[/p][/quote]It is quicker leaving Asda to go up Boot Hill, as you say, but it is far more dangerous than it used to be. I have seen many drivers following the wrong route because they don't understand the layout. The real problem is that approaching Asda from Rodwell Road is much slower than it was with the roundabouts, with unnecessary delays at Wyke Road. Roundabouts are far more efficient and safer than junctions and are being installed throughout Europe because of this. What has happened in Weymouth is due to the conservative and rigid thinking of planners and politicians and has life worse for many local people. monkeydog

10:47am Wed 11 Dec 13

scubadude says...

I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle.
How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?
I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle. How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth? scubadude

10:51am Wed 11 Dec 13

monkeydog says...

melcombe boy wrote:
annotater wrote:
In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work!
Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer.
Can you show the statistical proof to back your claims!
You can find evidence to back up anything, as we see on this comments board all the time, but you could look at http://safety.fhwa.d
ot.gov, the US Federal Highway Commission site, where they say this - 'The USDOT's Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) has identified modern roundabout intersections as one of nine proven life-saving roadway safety strategies. Modern roundabouts are not only safer than traditional signalized and stop-controlled intersections, where appropriate and properly designed, roundabouts operate more efficiently, often have lower life cycle costs, and result in increased fuel efficiency.'
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work! Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer.[/p][/quote]Can you show the statistical proof to back your claims![/p][/quote]You can find evidence to back up anything, as we see on this comments board all the time, but you could look at http://safety.fhwa.d ot.gov, the US Federal Highway Commission site, where they say this - 'The USDOT's Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) has identified modern roundabout intersections as one of nine proven life-saving roadway safety strategies. Modern roundabouts are not only safer than traditional signalized and stop-controlled intersections, where appropriate and properly designed, roundabouts operate more efficiently, often have lower life cycle costs, and result in increased fuel efficiency.' monkeydog

10:52am Wed 11 Dec 13

arlbergbahn says...

scubadude wrote:
I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle.
How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?
What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle. How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?[/p][/quote]What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible. arlbergbahn

11:01am Wed 11 Dec 13

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

Another example of non-intelligent lights is when the lights at the end of Newstead Road turn green to allow a left turn into Westwey Road and then a pedestrian pushes the button to cross Westwey Road (quite legally) and the pedestrian crossing lights turn red impeding the flow. Those vehicles in Newstead Road expecting to go through the green lights are unable to do so. Why aren't these sets of lights co-ordinated?
Another example of non-intelligent lights is when the lights at the end of Newstead Road turn green to allow a left turn into Westwey Road and then a pedestrian pushes the button to cross Westwey Road (quite legally) and the pedestrian crossing lights turn red impeding the flow. Those vehicles in Newstead Road expecting to go through the green lights are unable to do so. Why aren't these sets of lights co-ordinated? IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE

11:08am Wed 11 Dec 13

Ron 45076 says...

I can think of many towns in the South West that £16m would transform their traffic problems.Weymouth has been very lucky to receive this sort of money.What a boost the new A354 is,no more queuing from Upwey to Weymouth any more.
People complain about Boot Hill and King Street,but the rest is far better than before.
I can think of many towns in the South West that £16m would transform their traffic problems.Weymouth has been very lucky to receive this sort of money.What a boost the new A354 is,no more queuing from Upwey to Weymouth any more. People complain about Boot Hill and King Street,but the rest is far better than before. Ron 45076

11:27am Wed 11 Dec 13

scubadude says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
scubadude wrote:
I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle.
How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?
What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.
No, that is not what a Green light means- hand you license back at the Police station please or avail yourself of the Highway Code. Green = Proceed when safe to do so, it is NOT permission to Go irrespective. You have demonstrated what is obvious driving around here- Many people do not know or have forgotten how to drive, they indicate in Turn Right only lanes but not at ordinary junctions, they put their FOG lights on when it rains and they assume Green means GO, no wonder they are terrified by a simple junction, I'd hate to seem them on the M25 or Hemel's Magic Roundabout :-)
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle. How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?[/p][/quote]What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.[/p][/quote]No, that is not what a Green light means- hand you license back at the Police station please or avail yourself of the Highway Code. Green = Proceed when safe to do so, it is NOT permission to Go irrespective. You have demonstrated what is obvious driving around here- Many people do not know or have forgotten how to drive, they indicate in Turn Right only lanes but not at ordinary junctions, they put their FOG lights on when it rains and they assume Green means GO, no wonder they are terrified by a simple junction, I'd hate to seem them on the M25 or Hemel's Magic Roundabout :-) scubadude

11:49am Wed 11 Dec 13

17th Earl of Fortuneswell says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
scubadude wrote: I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle. How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?
What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.
That isn't necessarily the fault of the lights though is it ? If their filter arrow isn't lit they should not proceed with their manouevre unless safe to do so.
That to me is driver error not the the lights themselves. The Chickerell Road into Lanehouse Rocks traffic light set up is exactly the same format (as are thousands up and down the land) but no-one **** and goes about that one. You are of course attempting to complete only one manouevre regardless of how many sets of lights are present and I cannot understand why people find this junction so confusing.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle. How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?[/p][/quote]What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.[/p][/quote]That isn't necessarily the fault of the lights though is it ? If their filter arrow isn't lit they should not proceed with their manouevre unless safe to do so. That to me is driver error not the the lights themselves. The Chickerell Road into Lanehouse Rocks traffic light set up is exactly the same format (as are thousands up and down the land) but no-one **** and goes about that one. You are of course attempting to complete only one manouevre regardless of how many sets of lights are present and I cannot understand why people find this junction so confusing. 17th Earl of Fortuneswell

12:02pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Get a grip says...

scubadude wrote:
arlbergbahn wrote:
scubadude wrote:
I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle.
How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?
What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.
No, that is not what a Green light means- hand you license back at the Police station please or avail yourself of the Highway Code. Green = Proceed when safe to do so, it is NOT permission to Go irrespective. You have demonstrated what is obvious driving around here- Many people do not know or have forgotten how to drive, they indicate in Turn Right only lanes but not at ordinary junctions, they put their FOG lights on when it rains and they assume Green means GO, no wonder they are terrified by a simple junction, I'd hate to seem them on the M25 or Hemel's Magic Roundabout :-)
You have correctly identified one of the main problems with the traffic in Weymouth being the lack of understanding of many drivers.


My particular hate is drivers who put on thier Fog lights in all conditions this is a particular Weymouth habit.

For those that are confused a hint may be in the name Fog lights, side lights or these lights will make me look good lights
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle. How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?[/p][/quote]What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.[/p][/quote]No, that is not what a Green light means- hand you license back at the Police station please or avail yourself of the Highway Code. Green = Proceed when safe to do so, it is NOT permission to Go irrespective. You have demonstrated what is obvious driving around here- Many people do not know or have forgotten how to drive, they indicate in Turn Right only lanes but not at ordinary junctions, they put their FOG lights on when it rains and they assume Green means GO, no wonder they are terrified by a simple junction, I'd hate to seem them on the M25 or Hemel's Magic Roundabout :-)[/p][/quote]You have correctly identified one of the main problems with the traffic in Weymouth being the lack of understanding of many drivers. My particular hate is drivers who put on thier Fog lights in all conditions this is a particular Weymouth habit. For those that are confused a hint may be in the name Fog lights, side lights or these lights will make me look good lights Get a grip

12:17pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

1. Weymouth has outgrown its mediaeval town centre, bite the bullet and build a new shopping area elsewhere e.g. west of the town.

2. Make central Weymouth mainly traffic-free and allow it to develop a more leisurely/historic character.

3. Build a new route to Portland.
1. Weymouth has outgrown its mediaeval town centre, bite the bullet and build a new shopping area elsewhere e.g. west of the town. 2. Make central Weymouth mainly traffic-free and allow it to develop a more leisurely/historic character. 3. Build a new route to Portland. Caption Sensible

12:43pm Wed 11 Dec 13

tedbungy says...

My job means I normaly cover 600 miles a week some times more. I have had a LGV licence, I was always told to drive defencivly Iam 57 years old so I have a lot of driving under my belt. The of driving in and around Weymouth is very poor, I dont know why all I know is I take a lot more care driving in my home town. Fog lights have alredy been mentioned, roundabouts !!! the amount of time I have had a near miss on one, I have given up counting, some but not all cant grasp when to indicate, when to stop, when to go or when to pull out and as to parking, when and where I want seems to be the norm. Lastly when some one gives way is it so hard to say thank you
My job means I normaly cover 600 miles a week some times more. I have had a LGV licence, I was always told to drive defencivly Iam 57 years old so I have a lot of driving under my belt. The of driving in and around Weymouth is very poor, I dont know why all I know is I take a lot more care driving in my home town. Fog lights have alredy been mentioned, roundabouts !!! the amount of time I have had a near miss on one, I have given up counting, some but not all cant grasp when to indicate, when to stop, when to go or when to pull out and as to parking, when and where I want seems to be the norm. Lastly when some one gives way is it so hard to say thank you tedbungy

1:00pm Wed 11 Dec 13

codlips says...

Traffic lights on the old roundabouts would of done the job and would've cost nowt compared to the millions wasted on this ugly system,we had trees and flowers all year round on the old roundabouts,now we have an acre of tarmac and sparse,manky shrubs on beds full of weeds,makes King St and bottom of Boot Hill look a right old **** hole!
Traffic lights on the old roundabouts would of done the job and would've cost nowt compared to the millions wasted on this ugly system,we had trees and flowers all year round on the old roundabouts,now we have an acre of tarmac and sparse,manky shrubs on beds full of weeds,makes King St and bottom of Boot Hill look a right old **** hole! codlips

1:12pm Wed 11 Dec 13

monkeydog says...

codlips wrote:
Traffic lights on the old roundabouts would of done the job and would've cost nowt compared to the millions wasted on this ugly system,we had trees and flowers all year round on the old roundabouts,now we have an acre of tarmac and sparse,manky shrubs on beds full of weeds,makes King St and bottom of Boot Hill look a right old **** hole!
Well said. Traffic lights, on the roundabouts, for busy periods would have done a good job.
[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: Traffic lights on the old roundabouts would of done the job and would've cost nowt compared to the millions wasted on this ugly system,we had trees and flowers all year round on the old roundabouts,now we have an acre of tarmac and sparse,manky shrubs on beds full of weeds,makes King St and bottom of Boot Hill look a right old **** hole![/p][/quote]Well said. Traffic lights, on the roundabouts, for busy periods would have done a good job. monkeydog

1:34pm Wed 11 Dec 13

boobooweymouth says...

Every slow news day this gets regurgitated. It's been two years now and it works fine. Move on!
Every slow news day this gets regurgitated. It's been two years now and it works fine. Move on! boobooweymouth

2:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Laadeeda says...

Get a grip wrote:
scubadude wrote:
arlbergbahn wrote:
scubadude wrote:
I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle.
How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?
What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.
No, that is not what a Green light means- hand you license back at the Police station please or avail yourself of the Highway Code. Green = Proceed when safe to do so, it is NOT permission to Go irrespective. You have demonstrated what is obvious driving around here- Many people do not know or have forgotten how to drive, they indicate in Turn Right only lanes but not at ordinary junctions, they put their FOG lights on when it rains and they assume Green means GO, no wonder they are terrified by a simple junction, I'd hate to seem them on the M25 or Hemel's Magic Roundabout :-)
You have correctly identified one of the main problems with the traffic in Weymouth being the lack of understanding of many drivers.


My particular hate is drivers who put on thier Fog lights in all conditions this is a particular Weymouth habit.

For those that are confused a hint may be in the name Fog lights, side lights or these lights will make me look good lights
Regards your comments re; 'fog lights', manufactures have got around the problem by calling them ' high intensity lights' thereby circumventing the ambiguity regards having the ''fog' lights on when the visibility is over the weather criteria for fog lights to be used.

As for the traffic lights and getting around Weymouth. Not good but better than it was. One of the initial comments regards the 10 minute dead zone at the Asda roundabout. Do Not want to go back to that!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I'd like to meet someone who thinks the ASDA lights are dangerous- so I could tear up their driving license, frankly if they are unable to negotiate a VERY simple light controlled junction they should not be in charge of a road vehicle. How do these people cope when they drive elsewhere, or as I suspect do they never leave Weymouth?[/p][/quote]What, so when the lights change and you think that means it's safe to go on, you suddenly find someone turning right across your path? Yeah, really safe and sensible.[/p][/quote]No, that is not what a Green light means- hand you license back at the Police station please or avail yourself of the Highway Code. Green = Proceed when safe to do so, it is NOT permission to Go irrespective. You have demonstrated what is obvious driving around here- Many people do not know or have forgotten how to drive, they indicate in Turn Right only lanes but not at ordinary junctions, they put their FOG lights on when it rains and they assume Green means GO, no wonder they are terrified by a simple junction, I'd hate to seem them on the M25 or Hemel's Magic Roundabout :-)[/p][/quote]You have correctly identified one of the main problems with the traffic in Weymouth being the lack of understanding of many drivers. My particular hate is drivers who put on thier Fog lights in all conditions this is a particular Weymouth habit. For those that are confused a hint may be in the name Fog lights, side lights or these lights will make me look good lights[/p][/quote]Regards your comments re; 'fog lights', manufactures have got around the problem by calling them ' high intensity lights' thereby circumventing the ambiguity regards having the ''fog' lights on when the visibility is over the weather criteria for fog lights to be used. As for the traffic lights and getting around Weymouth. Not good but better than it was. One of the initial comments regards the 10 minute dead zone at the Asda roundabout. Do Not want to go back to that!!!!! Laadeeda

3:39pm Wed 11 Dec 13

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

Re fog lights
https://www.gov.uk/d
riving-adverse-weath
er-conditions-226-to
-237/fog-234-to-236
Highway code 236 says You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.
Re fog lights https://www.gov.uk/d riving-adverse-weath er-conditions-226-to -237/fog-234-to-236 Highway code 236 says You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves. IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE

5:50pm Wed 11 Dec 13

CoogarUK.com says...

I've lost count of the number of traffic schemes Weymouth has introduced since I first became 'roadworthy' in the mid-'70s, none of them any good really. Must be their Holy Grail.
I've lost count of the number of traffic schemes Weymouth has introduced since I first became 'roadworthy' in the mid-'70s, none of them any good really. Must be their Holy Grail. CoogarUK.com

6:59pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Hippyhooker says...

The traffic system is fine, the drivers obviously not so good if a set of lights confuses them !
The traffic system is fine, the drivers obviously not so good if a set of lights confuses them ! Hippyhooker

6:59pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Get a grip says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
Re fog lights
https://www.gov.uk/d

riving-adverse-weath

er-conditions-226-to

-237/fog-234-to-236
Highway code 236 says You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.
Thanks
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: Re fog lights https://www.gov.uk/d riving-adverse-weath er-conditions-226-to -237/fog-234-to-236 Highway code 236 says You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.[/p][/quote]Thanks Get a grip

7:56pm Wed 11 Dec 13

qwertypoop says...

boobooweymouth wrote:
Every slow news day this gets regurgitated. It's been two years now and it works fine. Move on!
yeah very true but it dont hide the fact the lights are poorly designed , living on fraggle its easier/ cheaper AND quicker to go to dorchester shopping than weymouth - not to mention more choice of shops ....
[quote][p][bold]boobooweymouth[/bold] wrote: Every slow news day this gets regurgitated. It's been two years now and it works fine. Move on![/p][/quote]yeah very true but it dont hide the fact the lights are poorly designed , living on fraggle its easier/ cheaper AND quicker to go to dorchester shopping than weymouth - not to mention more choice of shops .... qwertypoop

8:10pm Wed 11 Dec 13

FrancisKing says...

monkeydog wrote:
codlips wrote:
Traffic lights on the old roundabouts would of done the job and would've cost nowt compared to the millions wasted on this ugly system,we had trees and flowers all year round on the old roundabouts,now we have an acre of tarmac and sparse,manky shrubs on beds full of weeds,makes King St and bottom of Boot Hill look a right old **** hole!
Well said. Traffic lights, on the roundabouts, for busy periods would have done a good job.
No. The roundabouts were too small for traffic lights. It is a technical thing to do with space for vehicles in front of the circulating stop lines. This was why the roundabouts were removed.

The council needs to provide turning counts and staging diagrams so that the public can reach their own conclusions.
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: Traffic lights on the old roundabouts would of done the job and would've cost nowt compared to the millions wasted on this ugly system,we had trees and flowers all year round on the old roundabouts,now we have an acre of tarmac and sparse,manky shrubs on beds full of weeds,makes King St and bottom of Boot Hill look a right old **** hole![/p][/quote]Well said. Traffic lights, on the roundabouts, for busy periods would have done a good job.[/p][/quote]No. The roundabouts were too small for traffic lights. It is a technical thing to do with space for vehicles in front of the circulating stop lines. This was why the roundabouts were removed. The council needs to provide turning counts and staging diagrams so that the public can reach their own conclusions. FrancisKing

8:20pm Wed 11 Dec 13

ksmain says...

monkeydog wrote:
The Fish wrote:
Polyvista wrote:
The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS!
You obviously cannot remeber the 'dead' period when waiting to get out from ASDA up Boot hill - in the old days you could be waiting for ages (10+ minutes) as the through traffic was continuous going down Boot hill or queueing along Westway road for an eternity - at least now that wait is considerably reduced with the lights. Yes the lights need adjusting to stop traffic crossing each other but they are much better than the roundabouts before.
It is quicker leaving Asda to go up Boot Hill, as you say, but it is far more dangerous than it used to be. I have seen many drivers following the wrong route because they don't understand the layout. The real problem is that approaching Asda from Rodwell Road is much slower than it was with the roundabouts, with unnecessary delays at Wyke Road. Roundabouts are far more efficient and safer than junctions and are being installed throughout Europe because of this. What has happened in Weymouth is due to the conservative and rigid thinking of planners and politicians and has life worse for many local people.
Here we go again - the non-existent traffic problem.

The statement above sums it all up really - one traffic problem is resolved only for another problem to emerge elsewhere, and that will be EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS when they 'solve' the current round of 'problems'.

I would like to partially echo what someone else has already mentioned. Many of the traffic problems are caused by:

1. The fact that Weymouth is the 'end-of-the-line - where are you all expecting the traffic to go to - the sea?
2. the fact that there an increasing numbers of cars on the road - and will continue to be.
3. That some people make unneceesary trips in the car that could probably use public transport.
4. The poor standard of driving round here - poor lane discipline at the traffic lights, people not filtering properly or ignorantly racing ahead of others at the traffic lights, pure ignorance of the rules of the highway code, failure to use indicators properly, etc, etc. I believe someone above mentioned this.
5. The refusal of a number of pedestrians to use the pedestrian crossings on King Street properly. I had one person yesterday cross right in front of me yesterday at a point just 4 yards from the pedestrian crossing which was red. And the number of people who risk their lives crossing at the top of King Strreet - use the underpass or the Traffic Lights either side to cross to the prom and back.

But I cannot see what they can do to Kings Street to improve it - it is the ONLY main road through Weymouth, and whatever you do it will just cause queuing elsewhere!

Get real folks!!!
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Polyvista[/bold] wrote: The Weymouth, not so intellegent, Traffic Lights system is much worse that the previous Roundabout system. Almost everyone recognises that this system foisted upon us makes journeys across Weymouth longer and more fraught with danger. With Roundabous everyone knows the priorities and there is no 'dead' period with all traffic at a standstill. With the Traffic Lights and the very short 2 into 1 'merge' lanes, traffic comes at you from boith sides and is downright dangerous. With todays knowledge traffic systems should be designed to be SAFER not MORE DANGEROUS![/p][/quote]You obviously cannot remeber the 'dead' period when waiting to get out from ASDA up Boot hill - in the old days you could be waiting for ages (10+ minutes) as the through traffic was continuous going down Boot hill or queueing along Westway road for an eternity - at least now that wait is considerably reduced with the lights. Yes the lights need adjusting to stop traffic crossing each other but they are much better than the roundabouts before.[/p][/quote]It is quicker leaving Asda to go up Boot Hill, as you say, but it is far more dangerous than it used to be. I have seen many drivers following the wrong route because they don't understand the layout. The real problem is that approaching Asda from Rodwell Road is much slower than it was with the roundabouts, with unnecessary delays at Wyke Road. Roundabouts are far more efficient and safer than junctions and are being installed throughout Europe because of this. What has happened in Weymouth is due to the conservative and rigid thinking of planners and politicians and has life worse for many local people.[/p][/quote]Here we go again - the non-existent traffic problem. The statement above sums it all up really - one traffic problem is resolved only for another problem to emerge elsewhere, and that will be EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS when they 'solve' the current round of 'problems'. I would like to partially echo what someone else has already mentioned. Many of the traffic problems are caused by: 1. The fact that Weymouth is the 'end-of-the-line - where are you all expecting the traffic to go to - the sea? 2. the fact that there an increasing numbers of cars on the road - and will continue to be. 3. That some people make unneceesary trips in the car that could probably use public transport. 4. The poor standard of driving round here - poor lane discipline at the traffic lights, people not filtering properly or ignorantly racing ahead of others at the traffic lights, pure ignorance of the rules of the highway code, failure to use indicators properly, etc, etc. I believe someone above mentioned this. 5. The refusal of a number of pedestrians to use the pedestrian crossings on King Street properly. I had one person yesterday cross right in front of me yesterday at a point just 4 yards from the pedestrian crossing which was red. And the number of people who risk their lives crossing at the top of King Strreet - use the underpass or the Traffic Lights either side to cross to the prom and back. But I cannot see what they can do to Kings Street to improve it - it is the ONLY main road through Weymouth, and whatever you do it will just cause queuing elsewhere! Get real folks!!! ksmain

9:43pm Wed 11 Dec 13

ohsweetjesusholymarymothertheycan'tbeseriouscanthey? says...

melcombe boy wrote:
annotater wrote:
In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work!
Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer.
Can you show the statistical proof to back your claims!
In the original plans for the junction changes, it was highlighted that although roundabouts are a more effective way of dealing with traffic normally, the volume of traffic in Weymouth could only be dealt with more efficiently by them by increasing their size. There is not the room to do this as we are bound by water and a town, and thus The lights were brought in to ease the congestion. They have undoubtedly done this,although it would appear that again rather alot of people cannot remember queing from Preston to get through town, or from Morrisons to get to Boot Hill. The lights work perfectly well if you pay attention to what is going on around you, something which is apparently too much ask drivers today.
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: In the defense of the town planners, if you give a planner the wrong information, it is not their fault if it doesn't work! Roundabouts are still proven to be more efficient than traffic light but I have to say, when the lights fail, there is never an issue and the traffic flows faster and safer.[/p][/quote]Can you show the statistical proof to back your claims![/p][/quote]In the original plans for the junction changes, it was highlighted that although roundabouts are a more effective way of dealing with traffic normally, the volume of traffic in Weymouth could only be dealt with more efficiently by them by increasing their size. There is not the room to do this as we are bound by water and a town, and thus The lights were brought in to ease the congestion. They have undoubtedly done this,although it would appear that again rather alot of people cannot remember queing from Preston to get through town, or from Morrisons to get to Boot Hill. The lights work perfectly well if you pay attention to what is going on around you, something which is apparently too much ask drivers today. ohsweetjesusholymarymothertheycan'tbeseriouscanthey?

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