Changes ahead in Weymouth road system as council chiefs bow to pressure

Dorset Echo: Changes to be made to road system in Weymouth could prevent traffic jams on Boot Hill Changes to be made to road system in Weymouth could prevent traffic jams on Boot Hill

COUNCIL chiefs are to finally act on concerns and make changes to Weymouth’s under-fire traffic system.

Three years after the scheme was laid out in an effort by Dorset County Council to improve traffic flows and reduce congestion in the run-up to the Olympics, officers have bowed to pressure from the community and decided to make alterations.

The council has previously held its ground on the issue and insisted the scheme was working.

But following a meeting with residents in which ‘clear safety concerns’ were raised, and a subsequent review of the system, the green light for change has been given.

This includes:

  • Traffic control and signal sequence at Boot Hill/Asda junction investigated and due to the closure of the fire station some physical changes in layout possible
  • A yellow hatched box added at the junction of Queen Street/ King Street Lane markings in Westwey Road on the approach to Asda junction made clearer
  • Signage revised for drivers to make access to seafront businesses easier to understand
  • Increase in signage for pedestrians from the rail and bus stations to the seafront and bus stops, and to encourage use of the subway.

The county council also says it will look to improve traffic flows on the seafront when passengers disembark from Condor Ferries’ vessels.

Measures here would be implemented in consultation with Condor and Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.

Former Park District community chairman Ken Whatley initially led calls for a public meeting so people could have their say on problems.

That didn’t happen, but he and fellow Park District resident Dave Burchill were invited to County Hall in October by council chief executive Debbie Ward who was keen to hear what they had to say.

This week they were invited back for a follow-up discussion where the changes were announced.

Mr Whatley said: “We are delighted that they have listened to what we had to say and are acting on it.

“Some changes will happen while other issues will be investigated which is good news.

“At long last they are doing something about it.

“It’s something I think many people have wanted and it was reflected in a poll on the Dorset Echo website when 95 per cent of people said the scheme wasn’t working. We are pleased our points have been taken on board and that we weren’t dismissed completely.”

DCC director for environment Miles Butler said: “Mr Whately and Mr Burchill raised some very valid points, some of which we will be able to address.

“There are some problems that require a change in drivers’ behaviour and that will take time.

“In this case we will make sure that signage is clear and where possible promote alternative routes.”

He added: “Managing traffic lights throughout the system is a balancing act. Changes in one area can significantly affect another part, so we have to be careful when modifications are implemented. “A balance has also to be maintained to ensure that pedestrians, drivers and other road users aren’t disadvantaged to any great extent.”

 

A ROADWORKS blitz to build the Weymouth Transport Package three years ago crippled the town.

The work started in the summer of 2010 and went on until the following summer.

It came at a bad time for businesses which were struggling in the recession.

Roads turned into a sea of temporary lights and traffic cones as work progressed on the scheme.

Main roads were reduced to single lanes as diggers tore at the tarmac and anger grew as drivers resorted to using ‘rat runs’ to escape the queues.

A meeting was called by businesses amid growing anger the roadworks were affecting trade.

Some threatened to stop paying rates in protest as the works were preventing customers from coming into town.

Anger was fuelled as utility companies used the opportunity before the Olympics to get schemes finished, leading to what seemed like an endless bout of roadworks.

Once it was finished there were claims the scheme had dented Weymouth’s image, affected trade and ruined businesses.

It spawned a humorous postcard, a T-shirt and an impromptu traffic light protest.

Roundabouts out & lights in

‘Intelligent’ traffic lights replaced roundabouts on the harbourside near Asda, the top of Boot Hill, either side of the Swannery Bridge and at the top of King Street during 2010-11 for the £18m Weymouth Transport Package.

It was funded by the Department of Transport as DCC looked to improve traffic flows.

Almost immediately, safety concerns were raised about the junction near Asda which was branded ‘dangerous’.

The council was prompted to tweak the junction with new markings.

Since then there have been complaints the system in general isn’t working with increased pollution, longer queues and extended journey times as well as unclear lane signage and increased ‘road rage’ at junctions.

Problem areas include the continued confusion about the layout at the Asda junction, gridlocked Weymouth Esplanade where two lanes have been replaced by one towards the Jubilee Clock, and congested Rodwell Road and Boot Hill due to sequencing of traffic lights.

Despite these problems, DCC said the transport package had resolved some issues including traffic congestion around Jubilee retail park.

It has also decreased the travel time from Weymouth to Dorchester and manages the majority of through traffic around the town.

A road safety audit is planned for July next year and traffic management will continue to be monitored to ensure the system efficiently manages traffic flow.

It’s long overdue, say traders

NEWS of the changes has been welcomed.

Weymouth and Portland Chamber of Commerce president Mark Blunden, right, said the changes were ‘long overdue.’ He said: “I’m really pleased because they’ve listened to what people have to say. We hope to see some improvement to keep everyone happy and make it safer. This is long overdue. It’s important to keep traffic flowing on the seafront and clearly there are problems on Boot Hill and at the Asda junction.” He added: “This has created problems for businesses. We have to make it easy as possible for people to come into town and park.”

Dave Price, centre, from the hoteliers association said: “We welcome the fact they’ve reviewed it and are going to make changes. It’s important the hatched box in King Street is actively monitored otherwise it will go back to what it was like before.”

Managing director of the Weyline taxi firm Ian Ferguson said: “There’s a plethora of different opinions about the junctions. People have been making a lot of noise about it and we would support moves to improve things. It’s better than doing nothing.”

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7:50am Fri 13 Dec 13

bentleyboy says...

At long last some good news for Weymouth- but why not also extend the underpass the right way from Kings Street to the main esplanade ? As it MAY possibly be slightly safer and easier to drive along the seafront next year, and MAY be slightly safer negotiating the numerous and confusing traffic lights, perhaps the dreadful laser light eyesores can be removed, and the beautiful old light strings reinstated ? I also hope the Palm trees will survive, as they were a very attractive and positive improvement when they were installed for the Olympics . They are looking a bit sad lately, and the number of empty shops show clearly the amazing prosperity from the Olympic legacy... Perhaps the Council will now turn the 'rocks on posts' into attractive rockeries and add some colourful plants to build some attractive features into the bleak roundabouts at either end of the bypass, rather than spending many hundreds of thousands of pounds on endless making cycle paths that few people ever use..
At long last some good news for Weymouth- but why not also extend the underpass the right way from Kings Street to the main esplanade ? As it MAY possibly be slightly safer and easier to drive along the seafront next year, and MAY be slightly safer negotiating the numerous and confusing traffic lights, perhaps the dreadful laser light eyesores can be removed, and the beautiful old light strings reinstated ? I also hope the Palm trees will survive, as they were a very attractive and positive improvement when they were installed for the Olympics . They are looking a bit sad lately, and the number of empty shops show clearly the amazing prosperity from the Olympic legacy... Perhaps the Council will now turn the 'rocks on posts' into attractive rockeries and add some colourful plants to build some attractive features into the bleak roundabouts at either end of the bypass, rather than spending many hundreds of thousands of pounds on endless making cycle paths that few people ever use.. bentleyboy

8:03am Fri 13 Dec 13

arlbergbahn says...

Oh, I give up on the useless Echo website. This seems to be exactly the same story as yesterday, but as it's been "Updated", all the comments from the story yesterday seem to have been deleted and it's all been reset. It really is utterly useless.
Oh, I give up on the useless Echo website. This seems to be exactly the same story as yesterday, but as it's been "Updated", all the comments from the story yesterday seem to have been deleted and it's all been reset. It really is utterly useless. arlbergbahn

8:31am Fri 13 Dec 13

ThomasFairfax says...

A faint glimmer of common sense seems to have emerged from the darkness of the council's indolence in recognising the obvious.
It's a start, but only just.
Only recently, a car collided with a large white van at the traffic lights next to the bus station garage, badly damaging the front suspension. With glass and other debris strewn across the road, both vehicles attempted to move off to a more convenient spot to exchange details, but in doing so another vehicle, clearly confused by the road markings, the position of the vehicles involved and no doubt the lights, narrowly avoided another collision with the white van. I have argued before that this whole traffic control system in Weymouth is both confusing and dangerous and needs changing, now..
A faint glimmer of common sense seems to have emerged from the darkness of the council's indolence in recognising the obvious. It's a start, but only just. Only recently, a car collided with a large white van at the traffic lights next to the bus station garage, badly damaging the front suspension. With glass and other debris strewn across the road, both vehicles attempted to move off to a more convenient spot to exchange details, but in doing so another vehicle, clearly confused by the road markings, the position of the vehicles involved and no doubt the lights, narrowly avoided another collision with the white van. I have argued before that this whole traffic control system in Weymouth is both confusing and dangerous and needs changing, now.. ThomasFairfax

9:30am Fri 13 Dec 13

rjimmer says...

bentleyboy says...
Perhaps the Council will now turn the 'rocks on posts' into attractive rockeries and add some colourful plants to build some attractive features into the bleak roundabouts at either end of the bypass. @@@@@ I expect the rocks will be covered in grass in time, due to getting plastered with Herring Gull crap and wind-blown seed. Will Health and Safety allow them to be cleaned without putting scaffolding up over the whole site, I wonder!
bentleyboy says... Perhaps the Council will now turn the 'rocks on posts' into attractive rockeries and add some colourful plants to build some attractive features into the bleak roundabouts at either end of the bypass. @@@@@ I expect the rocks will be covered in grass in time, due to getting plastered with Herring Gull crap and wind-blown seed. Will Health and Safety allow them to be cleaned without putting scaffolding up over the whole site, I wonder! rjimmer

9:39am Fri 13 Dec 13

mark@greenhill says...

Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station?

Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue!

Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy.

The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route.

As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park.

All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement.

Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career !
Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station? Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue! Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy. The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route. As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park. All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement. Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career ! mark@greenhill

9:47am Fri 13 Dec 13

bentleyboy says...

You are totally correct- They soon turned from the freshly excavated bright Purbeck rock into boring lumps of rubble so maybe rather than spending many more thousands of tax payers money cleaning them, they should now be smashed up altogether and used to fill the numerous potholes around the area.. I was amazed to see that they are actually lit up at night, turning them into a danger for drivers, negotiating the roundabout who must be distracted when they stare in wonderment at yet another Council folly.
You are totally correct- They soon turned from the freshly excavated bright Purbeck rock into boring lumps of rubble so maybe rather than spending many more thousands of tax payers money cleaning them, they should now be smashed up altogether and used to fill the numerous potholes around the area.. I was amazed to see that they are actually lit up at night, turning them into a danger for drivers, negotiating the roundabout who must be distracted when they stare in wonderment at yet another Council folly. bentleyboy

9:59am Fri 13 Dec 13

codlips says...

mark@greenhill wrote:
Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station?

Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue!

Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy.

The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route.

As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park.

All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement.

Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career !
I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.
[quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station? Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue! Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy. The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route. As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park. All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement. Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career ![/p][/quote]I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd. codlips

12:40pm Fri 13 Dec 13

shy talk says...

I presume this work will be carried out during the summer months.
I presume this work will be carried out during the summer months. shy talk

1:14pm Fri 13 Dec 13

FrancisKing says...

codlips wrote:
mark@greenhill wrote:
Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station?

Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue!

Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy.

The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route.

As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park.

All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement.

Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career !
I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.
The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'.
[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station? Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue! Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy. The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route. As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park. All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement. Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career ![/p][/quote]I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.[/p][/quote]The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'. FrancisKing

1:49pm Fri 13 Dec 13

RifRafDac says...

Have you old people got anything better to do than talk about roads? Clearly not.. There must be more important, relevant subjects to deliberate about? What boring lives people live.
Have you old people got anything better to do than talk about roads? Clearly not.. There must be more important, relevant subjects to deliberate about? What boring lives people live. RifRafDac

1:59pm Fri 13 Dec 13

RifRafDac says...

I agree its ridiculous. People talking about a road, how boring...
I agree its ridiculous. People talking about a road, how boring... RifRafDac

2:00pm Fri 13 Dec 13

bentleyboy says...

Unfortunately most people today use roads, and traffic is part of every day living for even pedestrians and young people. I feel that it is certainly a very relevant subject for people of all ages to discuss, and a very important one as it effects virtually every one living in Weymouth. It is obvious that at long last even the Council consider it to be important enough to try and get some order back into a flawed transport system.
Unfortunately most people today use roads, and traffic is part of every day living for even pedestrians and young people. I feel that it is certainly a very relevant subject for people of all ages to discuss, and a very important one as it effects virtually every one living in Weymouth. It is obvious that at long last even the Council consider it to be important enough to try and get some order back into a flawed transport system. bentleyboy

2:04pm Fri 13 Dec 13

anonanon0808 says...

Its just another excuse to spend money that we dont have. You should spend the money on something that weymouth need!! Bunch of stupid old people talking about a road!! Do something productive with your lives !!
Its just another excuse to spend money that we dont have. You should spend the money on something that weymouth need!! Bunch of stupid old people talking about a road!! Do something productive with your lives !! anonanon0808

2:05pm Fri 13 Dec 13

RifRafDac says...

bentleyboy wrote:
Unfortunately most people today use roads, and traffic is part of every day living for even pedestrians and young people. I feel that it is certainly a very relevant subject for people of all ages to discuss, and a very important one as it effects virtually every one living in Weymouth. It is obvious that at long last even the Council consider it to be important enough to try and get some order back into a flawed transport system.
Whilst we are on the subject, yes I agree the transport system is flawed. I drive and at times it as a nightmare.
[quote][p][bold]bentleyboy[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately most people today use roads, and traffic is part of every day living for even pedestrians and young people. I feel that it is certainly a very relevant subject for people of all ages to discuss, and a very important one as it effects virtually every one living in Weymouth. It is obvious that at long last even the Council consider it to be important enough to try and get some order back into a flawed transport system.[/p][/quote]Whilst we are on the subject, yes I agree the transport system is flawed. I drive and at times it as a nightmare. RifRafDac

4:00pm Fri 13 Dec 13

TenBobDylanThomasHardy says...

If you really think Roundabouts are the way forward suggest you visit Fford's Corner any evening twixt 4:00 and 6:00 for a reminder of what you're missing.
If you really think Roundabouts are the way forward suggest you visit Fford's Corner any evening twixt 4:00 and 6:00 for a reminder of what you're missing. TenBobDylanThomasHardy

4:13pm Fri 13 Dec 13

TenBobDylanThomasHardy says...

...or Mnaor roundabout
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4:54pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Redmic99 says...

Having lived in the borough now for just over 3 years I've come to the opinion that WPBC couldn't organise a boozing session in a pub.....and as for the chief executive I think she ought to spend more time at home darning her spouse's socks....(& this is not me being sexist as I'm sure there are lots more capable women out there who'd do a far better job than the current unelected and vastly overpaid incumbent).
Having lived in the borough now for just over 3 years I've come to the opinion that WPBC couldn't organise a boozing session in a pub.....and as for the chief executive I think she ought to spend more time at home darning her spouse's socks....(& this is not me being sexist as I'm sure there are lots more capable women out there who'd do a far better job than the current unelected and vastly overpaid incumbent). Redmic99

5:53pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Hippyhooker says...

bentleyboy wrote:
Unfortunately most people today use roads, and traffic is part of every day living for even pedestrians and young people. I feel that it is certainly a very relevant subject for people of all ages to discuss, and a very important one as it effects virtually every one living in Weymouth. It is obvious that at long last even the Council consider it to be important enough to try and get some order back into a flawed transport system.
I would say it's a safe bet 95% of the people who complain about Weymouths traffic system don't even drive, they just whinge for the sake of it, they are unwilling to move into the 21st century....Traffic lights oh my god what next...HD TV's ?
[quote][p][bold]bentleyboy[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately most people today use roads, and traffic is part of every day living for even pedestrians and young people. I feel that it is certainly a very relevant subject for people of all ages to discuss, and a very important one as it effects virtually every one living in Weymouth. It is obvious that at long last even the Council consider it to be important enough to try and get some order back into a flawed transport system.[/p][/quote]I would say it's a safe bet 95% of the people who complain about Weymouths traffic system don't even drive, they just whinge for the sake of it, they are unwilling to move into the 21st century....Traffic lights oh my god what next...HD TV's ? Hippyhooker

6:52am Sat 14 Dec 13

mark@greenhill says...

FrancisKing wrote:
codlips wrote:
mark@greenhill wrote:
Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station?

Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue!

Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy.

The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route.

As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park.

All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement.

Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career !
I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.
The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'.
What an utterly meaningless comment. Clearly made by a non driver.
[quote][p][bold]FrancisKing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station? Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue! Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy. The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route. As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park. All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement. Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career ![/p][/quote]I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.[/p][/quote]The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'.[/p][/quote]What an utterly meaningless comment. Clearly made by a non driver. mark@greenhill

8:34am Sat 14 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

When are people going to realise and get to the crux of the matter? You cannot get a quart into a pint pot!

Greater Weymouth has outgrown central Weymouth. Everything is funnelled into the centre of town and it is completely over-run. No matter how much tinkering goes on you are never going to solve the traffic issues unless you;

1. Build a new shopping area away from historic Melcombe Regis.

2. Make central Weymouth essentially car-free, hence allowing it to recover its historic and quirky nature.

3. Build a new route to Wyke/Portland, completely by-passing central Weymouth.

That's it!
When are people going to realise and get to the crux of the matter? You cannot get a quart into a pint pot! Greater Weymouth has outgrown central Weymouth. Everything is funnelled into the centre of town and it is completely over-run. No matter how much tinkering goes on you are never going to solve the traffic issues unless you; 1. Build a new shopping area away from historic Melcombe Regis. 2. Make central Weymouth essentially car-free, hence allowing it to recover its historic and quirky nature. 3. Build a new route to Wyke/Portland, completely by-passing central Weymouth. That's it! Caption Sensible

9:23am Sat 14 Dec 13

FrancisKing says...

mark@greenhill wrote:
FrancisKing wrote:
codlips wrote:
mark@greenhill wrote:
Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station?

Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue!

Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy.

The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route.

As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park.

All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement.

Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career !
I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.
The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'.
What an utterly meaningless comment. Clearly made by a non driver.
I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living.
[quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FrancisKing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station? Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue! Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy. The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route. As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park. All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement. Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career ![/p][/quote]I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.[/p][/quote]The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'.[/p][/quote]What an utterly meaningless comment. Clearly made by a non driver.[/p][/quote]I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living. FrancisKing

9:41am Sat 14 Dec 13

bentleyboy says...

I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living.

Then obviously you are the right person who can advise exactly why the Council are now changing the traffic light set up... and also give your expert thoughts on exactly what should be done to improve the dangerous Boot Hill / Asda junction to hopefully avoid more collisions for both drivers and pedestrians ?
I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living. Then obviously you are the right person who can advise exactly why the Council are now changing the traffic light set up... and also give your expert thoughts on exactly what should be done to improve the dangerous Boot Hill / Asda junction to hopefully avoid more collisions for both drivers and pedestrians ? bentleyboy

9:46am Sat 14 Dec 13

Black Raven says...

FrancisKing wrote:
mark@greenhill wrote:
FrancisKing wrote:
codlips wrote:
mark@greenhill wrote:
Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station?

Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue!

Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy.

The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route.

As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park.

All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement.

Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career !
I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.
The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'.
What an utterly meaningless comment. Clearly made by a non driver.
I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living.
Well that says it all really ! Transport planners out of touch with reality !
[quote][p][bold]FrancisKing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FrancisKing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: Whilst they are at it, will someone please tell me they will remove the ridiculous ban on turning left into King street from the train station? Driving from the seafront to collect/drop off at the station, you are then forced to drive out of town, or round the one way system to the statue! Both directions add miles to your journey and add traffic to roads already busy. The only alternative to return to Greenhill, is to break the law and ignore the Taxi only sign, which prevents people using the park district route. As it is, most people do disregard the sign, and add traffic to an already congested and pointless one way system through the park. All these crazy, wasteful, and congesting routes could be avoided by removing the ban on left turns along with the stupidly placed lump of tarmac extending from the pavement. Whoever designed that piece of road management really should be committed to digging ditches for the rest of his career ![/p][/quote]I agree,they have a weird fetish with no left turns,ie the boot hill left turns onto Wyke Rd and Chickerell Rd.[/p][/quote]The ban on left turns means that a pedestrian crossing to the left of the station exit can run at the same time as the exit. Otherwise there would be more congestion. So the left turn ban is not 'ridiculous'.[/p][/quote]What an utterly meaningless comment. Clearly made by a non driver.[/p][/quote]I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living.[/p][/quote]Well that says it all really ! Transport planners out of touch with reality ! Black Raven

11:10am Sat 14 Dec 13

ksmain says...

I have a suggestion for King Street:

1. Remove both the pedestrian crossings on King Street as, given where the car parks are situated in Weymouth and the 2 pedestrian crossings crossing the Esplanade - there is NO REASON FOR ANYBODY TO CROSS King Street.
2. Put a 7 foot high metal-barred railing all the way along the pavement on King Street making it physically impossible for any pedestrian to cross the road.
3. Make the whole of the Esplanade a one-way roundabout.

That should improve traffic flow no end.
I have a suggestion for King Street: 1. Remove both the pedestrian crossings on King Street as, given where the car parks are situated in Weymouth and the 2 pedestrian crossings crossing the Esplanade - there is NO REASON FOR ANYBODY TO CROSS King Street. 2. Put a 7 foot high metal-barred railing all the way along the pavement on King Street making it physically impossible for any pedestrian to cross the road. 3. Make the whole of the Esplanade a one-way roundabout. That should improve traffic flow no end. ksmain

11:22am Sat 14 Dec 13

lukew151 says...

This issue makes me really angry. There is nothing wrong with the Asda junction. If both drivers and pedestrians use the signals correctly then it is efficient and safe. Asking the council to spend money downgrading a modern junction is a tragedy, at a time when the council is cutting essential services to keep afloat. If you struggle to negotiate this junction, then can I politely suggest you consider some driving lessons.
This issue makes me really angry. There is nothing wrong with the Asda junction. If both drivers and pedestrians use the signals correctly then it is efficient and safe. Asking the council to spend money downgrading a modern junction is a tragedy, at a time when the council is cutting essential services to keep afloat. If you struggle to negotiate this junction, then can I politely suggest you consider some driving lessons. lukew151

11:40am Sat 14 Dec 13

bentleyboy says...

The Asda junction IS extremely dangerous for both drivers and pedestrians , so it is good that the Council to at long last respond that there IS a big problem and to improve things there soonest before someone is killed. Not every driver is perfect and it is extremely confusing for all. with faint white line give way makings and incorrectly timed lights adding to the problems.
The Asda junction IS extremely dangerous for both drivers and pedestrians , so it is good that the Council to at long last respond that there IS a big problem and to improve things there soonest before someone is killed. Not every driver is perfect and it is extremely confusing for all. with faint white line give way makings and incorrectly timed lights adding to the problems. bentleyboy

12:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

mark@greenhill says...

So, did FrancisKing have a hand the present design ?

He seems to be the only person that thinks the ban on turning left into King Street is a good idea?

The rest of us that have to use this stupidly designed junction, know that unless you wish to get caught in the traffic at the statue, or add miles to your journey by going to Morrisons roundabout, you are forced to break the law!

So, any traffic management scheme that adds to congestion and pollution to other areas, whilst making vehicles travel miles further than they needed to, has to be flawed?
So, did FrancisKing have a hand the present design ? He seems to be the only person that thinks the ban on turning left into King Street is a good idea? The rest of us that have to use this stupidly designed junction, know that unless you wish to get caught in the traffic at the statue, or add miles to your journey by going to Morrisons roundabout, you are forced to break the law! So, any traffic management scheme that adds to congestion and pollution to other areas, whilst making vehicles travel miles further than they needed to, has to be flawed? mark@greenhill

12:32pm Sat 14 Dec 13

bentleyboy says...

Hi Mark,
I agree totally with you, and basically the problems seem to centre on the stupidity of channelling all Esplanade traffic into one lane, due entirely to the crazy subway that was built in the wrong direction years ago, rather than allowing pedestrians to simply go to the esplanade sea front ! the present Kings Street traffic restrictions are total madness. Maybe something will at last be done.
Hi Mark, I agree totally with you, and basically the problems seem to centre on the stupidity of channelling all Esplanade traffic into one lane, due entirely to the crazy subway that was built in the wrong direction years ago, rather than allowing pedestrians to simply go to the esplanade sea front ! the present Kings Street traffic restrictions are total madness. Maybe something will at last be done. bentleyboy

3:05pm Sat 14 Dec 13

osmington4 says...

Another great c*** up by the wonderful WPBC mob. Well done boys not only have you cost local taxpayers a huge sum of wasted money, you have now also decided that you got in wrong in the first place......why you couldn`t have left things as they were will always be a mystery to me. Still I suppose the whole useless saga has provided employment. Every cloud has a silver lining and all of that.......
Another great c*** up by the wonderful WPBC mob. Well done boys not only have you cost local taxpayers a huge sum of wasted money, you have now also decided that you got in wrong in the first place......why you couldn`t have left things as they were will always be a mystery to me. Still I suppose the whole useless saga has provided employment. Every cloud has a silver lining and all of that....... osmington4

3:11pm Sat 14 Dec 13

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

mark@greenhill
I suspect that Francis King is also behind the idea of channelling traffic in Dorchester away from the B3150 in the centre of Dorchester and funnelling it through minor town roads so as to reduce pollution on the 3150 and move it to other roads, brilliant!
They should be planning a northern bypass for Dorchester.
mark@greenhill I suspect that Francis King is also behind the idea of channelling traffic in Dorchester away from the B3150 in the centre of Dorchester and funnelling it through minor town roads so as to reduce pollution on the 3150 and move it to other roads, brilliant! They should be planning a northern bypass for Dorchester. IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE

4:04pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Caption Sensible says...

osmington4 wrote:
Another great c*** up by the wonderful WPBC mob. Well done boys not only have you cost local taxpayers a huge sum of wasted money, you have now also decided that you got in wrong in the first place......why you couldn`t have left things as they were will always be a mystery to me. Still I suppose the whole useless saga has provided employment. Every cloud has a silver lining and all of that.......
You are blaming the wrong people - it was conceived and designed by Dorset County Council. A lot of whom do not even live in the borough...
[quote][p][bold]osmington4[/bold] wrote: Another great c*** up by the wonderful WPBC mob. Well done boys not only have you cost local taxpayers a huge sum of wasted money, you have now also decided that you got in wrong in the first place......why you couldn`t have left things as they were will always be a mystery to me. Still I suppose the whole useless saga has provided employment. Every cloud has a silver lining and all of that.......[/p][/quote]You are blaming the wrong people - it was conceived and designed by Dorset County Council. A lot of whom do not even live in the borough... Caption Sensible

7:18pm Sat 14 Dec 13

osmington4 says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
osmington4 wrote:
Another great c*** up by the wonderful WPBC mob. Well done boys not only have you cost local taxpayers a huge sum of wasted money, you have now also decided that you got in wrong in the first place......why you couldn`t have left things as they were will always be a mystery to me. Still I suppose the whole useless saga has provided employment. Every cloud has a silver lining and all of that.......
You are blaming the wrong people - it was conceived and designed by Dorset County Council. A lot of whom do not even live in the borough...
Aplogies, I must have mis-read it......please replace WPBC with DCC.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osmington4[/bold] wrote: Another great c*** up by the wonderful WPBC mob. Well done boys not only have you cost local taxpayers a huge sum of wasted money, you have now also decided that you got in wrong in the first place......why you couldn`t have left things as they were will always be a mystery to me. Still I suppose the whole useless saga has provided employment. Every cloud has a silver lining and all of that.......[/p][/quote]You are blaming the wrong people - it was conceived and designed by Dorset County Council. A lot of whom do not even live in the borough...[/p][/quote]Aplogies, I must have mis-read it......please replace WPBC with DCC. osmington4

7:38am Sun 15 Dec 13

monkeydog says...

Some of the pedestrian crossings are a lottery. At the junction of Rodwell Road and Rodwell Avenue there is no indication at all that it is safe to cross so you have to hope for the best.
Some of the pedestrian crossings are a lottery. At the junction of Rodwell Road and Rodwell Avenue there is no indication at all that it is safe to cross so you have to hope for the best. monkeydog

10:45am Sun 15 Dec 13

JamesYoung says...

I think one of the easiest aids to reduction of congestion would be the introduction of a US style "left on red" system, where you can turn left, even on a red light, after looking right and checking that it is safe to do so.
I think one of the easiest aids to reduction of congestion would be the introduction of a US style "left on red" system, where you can turn left, even on a red light, after looking right and checking that it is safe to do so. JamesYoung

12:29pm Sun 15 Dec 13

FrancisKing says...

mark@greenhill wrote:
So, did FrancisKing have a hand the present design ?

He seems to be the only person that thinks the ban on turning left into King Street is a good idea?

The rest of us that have to use this stupidly designed junction, know that unless you wish to get caught in the traffic at the statue, or add miles to your journey by going to Morrisons roundabout, you are forced to break the law!

So, any traffic management scheme that adds to congestion and pollution to other areas, whilst making vehicles travel miles further than they needed to, has to be flawed?
No, I did not have a hand in the design of the junction. My role in the project was to assist with the computer modelling of traffic flows. For what it is worth, I, like many of my colleagues, are in favour of roundabouts.

As for the specific junction design on King Street, called 'ridiculous' and 'stupidly designed', I explained why it was designed that way. I suspect that a survey of the junction indicated that very few people wanted to turn left at this junction, and hence the left turn was removed in order to give more capacity to the very busy through movement.
[quote][p][bold]mark@greenhill[/bold] wrote: So, did FrancisKing have a hand the present design ? He seems to be the only person that thinks the ban on turning left into King Street is a good idea? The rest of us that have to use this stupidly designed junction, know that unless you wish to get caught in the traffic at the statue, or add miles to your journey by going to Morrisons roundabout, you are forced to break the law! So, any traffic management scheme that adds to congestion and pollution to other areas, whilst making vehicles travel miles further than they needed to, has to be flawed?[/p][/quote]No, I did not have a hand in the design of the junction. My role in the project was to assist with the computer modelling of traffic flows. For what it is worth, I, like many of my colleagues, are in favour of roundabouts. As for the specific junction design on King Street, called 'ridiculous' and 'stupidly designed', I explained why it was designed that way. I suspect that a survey of the junction indicated that very few people wanted to turn left at this junction, and hence the left turn was removed in order to give more capacity to the very busy through movement. FrancisKing

12:32pm Sun 15 Dec 13

FrancisKing says...

bentleyboy wrote:
Hi Mark,
I agree totally with you, and basically the problems seem to centre on the stupidity of channelling all Esplanade traffic into one lane, due entirely to the crazy subway that was built in the wrong direction years ago, rather than allowing pedestrians to simply go to the esplanade sea front ! the present Kings Street traffic restrictions are total madness. Maybe something will at last be done.
Because of the maximum gradient of slope in the underpass, it could not be built to the sea front - there wasn't enough space.
[quote][p][bold]bentleyboy[/bold] wrote: Hi Mark, I agree totally with you, and basically the problems seem to centre on the stupidity of channelling all Esplanade traffic into one lane, due entirely to the crazy subway that was built in the wrong direction years ago, rather than allowing pedestrians to simply go to the esplanade sea front ! the present Kings Street traffic restrictions are total madness. Maybe something will at last be done.[/p][/quote]Because of the maximum gradient of slope in the underpass, it could not be built to the sea front - there wasn't enough space. FrancisKing

12:36pm Sun 15 Dec 13

FrancisKing says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
mark@greenhill
I suspect that Francis King is also behind the idea of channelling traffic in Dorchester away from the B3150 in the centre of Dorchester and funnelling it through minor town roads so as to reduce pollution on the 3150 and move it to other roads, brilliant!
They should be planning a northern bypass for Dorchester.
Ah! My powers at redirecting the traffic, when I don't even work for the council. Spooky!

A northern bypass would be good, but there are problems with this, if I recall.
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: mark@greenhill I suspect that Francis King is also behind the idea of channelling traffic in Dorchester away from the B3150 in the centre of Dorchester and funnelling it through minor town roads so as to reduce pollution on the 3150 and move it to other roads, brilliant! They should be planning a northern bypass for Dorchester.[/p][/quote]Ah! My powers at redirecting the traffic, when I don't even work for the council. Spooky! A northern bypass would be good, but there are problems with this, if I recall. FrancisKing

12:40pm Sun 15 Dec 13

FrancisKing says...

bentleyboy wrote:
I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living.

Then obviously you are the right person who can advise exactly why the Council are now changing the traffic light set up... and also give your expert thoughts on exactly what should be done to improve the dangerous Boot Hill / Asda junction to hopefully avoid more collisions for both drivers and pedestrians ?
I can only reiterate that DCC needs to share the traffic data, staging data and layout CAD so that we can examine matters for ourselves. Out there in the wild are transport planners like myself, and a surprisingly large number of well-informed citizens who can give it a bash.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.
[quote][p][bold]bentleyboy[/bold] wrote: I'm a transport planner, who works for a private engineering consultancy. I design traffic signals for a living. Then obviously you are the right person who can advise exactly why the Council are now changing the traffic light set up... and also give your expert thoughts on exactly what should be done to improve the dangerous Boot Hill / Asda junction to hopefully avoid more collisions for both drivers and pedestrians ?[/p][/quote]I can only reiterate that DCC needs to share the traffic data, staging data and layout CAD so that we can examine matters for ourselves. Out there in the wild are transport planners like myself, and a surprisingly large number of well-informed citizens who can give it a bash. Thanks for the vote of confidence. FrancisKing

12:51pm Sun 15 Dec 13

bentleyboy says...

Thanks for explaining that but surely if the Jubilee clock was moved over towards the sea, there would be lots more space there as the Esplanade is at its widest point. Unfortunately the subway put there is hardly used, is very dangerous at night and takes up so much of the Esplanade road. So if this was removed, then surely there would be lots more space for cars turning left off the Esplanade exactly as it was originally made for ! As there are traffic lights a a few yards along Kings Street, surely ample space already for pedestrians to cross there without a dangerous subway to negotiate.
Thanks for explaining that but surely if the Jubilee clock was moved over towards the sea, there would be lots more space there as the Esplanade is at its widest point. Unfortunately the subway put there is hardly used, is very dangerous at night and takes up so much of the Esplanade road. So if this was removed, then surely there would be lots more space for cars turning left off the Esplanade exactly as it was originally made for ! As there are traffic lights a a few yards along Kings Street, surely ample space already for pedestrians to cross there without a dangerous subway to negotiate. bentleyboy

7:39am Mon 16 Dec 13

mark@greenhill says...

FrancisKing

" I suspect that a survey of the junction indicated that very few people wanted to turn left at this junction, and hence the left turn was removed in order to give more capacity to the very busy through movement."

I think it was more like a case of stopping people using the Train Station car park to do a U turn.

I fail to see why preventing people turning left, should increase traffic flow for anyone?

Even the guys installing this junction at the time, thought it was a stupid idea, and couldn't think of one single good reason for the design as it is.

If the idea really was to improve the flow, then the sign banning everyone but taxis entering the park, is clearly wrong?

You cannot have a car park for dropping off people at the station, that effectively traps you into breaking the law?

Sorry, but your explanation of the design simply doesn't wash.
FrancisKing " I suspect that a survey of the junction indicated that very few people wanted to turn left at this junction, and hence the left turn was removed in order to give more capacity to the very busy through movement." I think it was more like a case of stopping people using the Train Station car park to do a U turn. I fail to see why preventing people turning left, should increase traffic flow for anyone? Even the guys installing this junction at the time, thought it was a stupid idea, and couldn't think of one single good reason for the design as it is. If the idea really was to improve the flow, then the sign banning everyone but taxis entering the park, is clearly wrong? You cannot have a car park for dropping off people at the station, that effectively traps you into breaking the law? Sorry, but your explanation of the design simply doesn't wash. mark@greenhill

10:00am Mon 16 Dec 13

Micke12 says...

Redmic99 wrote:
Having lived in the borough now for just over 3 years I've come to the opinion that WPBC couldn't organise a boozing session in a pub.....and as for the chief executive I think she ought to spend more time at home darning her spouse's socks....(& this is not me being sexist as I'm sure there are lots more capable women out there who'd do a far better job than the current unelected and vastly overpaid incumbent).
This has nothing to do with WPBC, it is all the work and bailiwick of Dorset County Council. If we are going to criticize somebody or organisation, let us get the right people in our comments.

But I have to agree that neither of these public bodies could organise a boozing session in a brewery, so what chance have we got of getting a decent roads system. They talk about putting the yellow hatched sign back on the King Street/Queen Street crossing, but that will make no difference as the drivers will do what they always do, ignore the law relating to yellow hatchings on roads, and of course, PC PLOD will just say that they do not have the manpower to police that area - why?? - because they are too busy on the major out of town routes trying to fleece motorists wallets for exceeding the speed limits by a couple of miles an hour.

That could be easily sorted out with 8 speed cameras strategically placed on the main runs in and out of Weymouth. result, loads of revenue, but more importantly, more police available in the town to police the traffic in the town centre. I suspect that if these police officers were to place themselves in plain cars at many of the crossing points in and around the town centre, they could make even more money - day after day, hour after hour,

I have seen drivers breaking the law in town, from not wearing seat belts, to using mobile phones and stopping on the pedestrian crossing point when their exit is not clear. According to my understanding of the highway code, it is an offence to stop actually on a crossing point, and you are supposed to leave the actual crossing point clear for pedestrians, and this means that if your exit point is not clear, you stay behind the stop line until the exit is clear. Perhaps someone will either confirm I am right or tell me if I am wrong.

When you do see a driver breaking the law, you tell a policeman and he then says were there any witnesses, you say, yes there were, but they have all gone their own way now, so PC PLOD says sorry mate, with only you as the witness, there is nothing we can do, but that is a load of bull as there are 4 cameras in that area all capable of looking at that junction, so the best witness is not used. The reason the police won't take it up is because the Crown Prosecution Service will only entertain prosecuting cases which are both winnable and in the public interest. Bring back the days when the Police Sergeant decided whether to charge or not. Oh, how I miss the days of Z-Cars and Dixon of Dock Green.
[quote][p][bold]Redmic99[/bold] wrote: Having lived in the borough now for just over 3 years I've come to the opinion that WPBC couldn't organise a boozing session in a pub.....and as for the chief executive I think she ought to spend more time at home darning her spouse's socks....(& this is not me being sexist as I'm sure there are lots more capable women out there who'd do a far better job than the current unelected and vastly overpaid incumbent).[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with WPBC, it is all the work and bailiwick of Dorset County Council. If we are going to criticize somebody or organisation, let us get the right people in our comments. But I have to agree that neither of these public bodies could organise a boozing session in a brewery, so what chance have we got of getting a decent roads system. They talk about putting the yellow hatched sign back on the King Street/Queen Street crossing, but that will make no difference as the drivers will do what they always do, ignore the law relating to yellow hatchings on roads, and of course, PC PLOD will just say that they do not have the manpower to police that area - why?? - because they are too busy on the major out of town routes trying to fleece motorists wallets for exceeding the speed limits by a couple of miles an hour. That could be easily sorted out with 8 speed cameras strategically placed on the main runs in and out of Weymouth. result, loads of revenue, but more importantly, more police available in the town to police the traffic in the town centre. I suspect that if these police officers were to place themselves in plain cars at many of the crossing points in and around the town centre, they could make even more money - day after day, hour after hour, I have seen drivers breaking the law in town, from not wearing seat belts, to using mobile phones and stopping on the pedestrian crossing point when their exit is not clear. According to my understanding of the highway code, it is an offence to stop actually on a crossing point, and you are supposed to leave the actual crossing point clear for pedestrians, and this means that if your exit point is not clear, you stay behind the stop line until the exit is clear. Perhaps someone will either confirm I am right or tell me if I am wrong. When you do see a driver breaking the law, you tell a policeman and he then says were there any witnesses, you say, yes there were, but they have all gone their own way now, so PC PLOD says sorry mate, with only you as the witness, there is nothing we can do, but that is a load of bull as there are 4 cameras in that area all capable of looking at that junction, so the best witness is not used. The reason the police won't take it up is because the Crown Prosecution Service will only entertain prosecuting cases which are both winnable and in the public interest. Bring back the days when the Police Sergeant decided whether to charge or not. Oh, how I miss the days of Z-Cars and Dixon of Dock Green. Micke12

8:57am Thu 19 Dec 13

minifish33 says...

RifRafDac wrote:
Have you old people got anything better to do than talk about roads? Clearly not.. There must be more important, relevant subjects to deliberate about? What boring lives people live.
On the subject of traffic, albeit not in the town centre, can anybody explain why you are not allowed to turn right on to Buxton Rd from the bottom of Cross Rd (by Holy Trinity junior school)?
Also, does anyone find it quite hard to spot a car turning right out of Portland Rd on to Wyke Rd, when you're approaching this silly mini roundabout from 'below' (coming up the hill from Camp Road)
I've had to approach that particular junction with a lot of care, several times. Is it just me...? Ha!
[quote][p][bold]RifRafDac[/bold] wrote: Have you old people got anything better to do than talk about roads? Clearly not.. There must be more important, relevant subjects to deliberate about? What boring lives people live.[/p][/quote]On the subject of traffic, albeit not in the town centre, can anybody explain why you are not allowed to turn right on to Buxton Rd from the bottom of Cross Rd (by Holy Trinity junior school)? Also, does anyone find it quite hard to spot a car turning right out of Portland Rd on to Wyke Rd, when you're approaching this silly mini roundabout from 'below' (coming up the hill from Camp Road) I've had to approach that particular junction with a lot of care, several times. Is it just me...? Ha! minifish33

8:59am Thu 19 Dec 13

minifish33 says...

minifish33 wrote:
RifRafDac wrote:
Have you old people got anything better to do than talk about roads? Clearly not.. There must be more important, relevant subjects to deliberate about? What boring lives people live.
On the subject of traffic, albeit not in the town centre, can anybody explain why you are not allowed to turn right on to Buxton Rd from the bottom of Cross Rd (by Holy Trinity junior school)?
Also, does anyone find it quite hard to spot a car turning right out of Portland Rd on to Wyke Rd, when you're approaching this silly mini roundabout from 'below' (coming up the hill from Camp Road)
I've had to approach that particular junction with a lot of care, several times. Is it just me...? Ha!
Apologies for including your quote RifRaf!
[quote][p][bold]minifish33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RifRafDac[/bold] wrote: Have you old people got anything better to do than talk about roads? Clearly not.. There must be more important, relevant subjects to deliberate about? What boring lives people live.[/p][/quote]On the subject of traffic, albeit not in the town centre, can anybody explain why you are not allowed to turn right on to Buxton Rd from the bottom of Cross Rd (by Holy Trinity junior school)? Also, does anyone find it quite hard to spot a car turning right out of Portland Rd on to Wyke Rd, when you're approaching this silly mini roundabout from 'below' (coming up the hill from Camp Road) I've had to approach that particular junction with a lot of care, several times. Is it just me...? Ha![/p][/quote]Apologies for including your quote RifRaf! minifish33

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