Retail giant M&S commits to Dorchester's Charles Street scheme

Dorset Echo: Retail giant M&S commits to Dorchester's Charles Street scheme Retail giant M&S commits to Dorchester's Charles Street scheme

DEVELOPERS Simons have confirmed retail giant Marks and Spencer has agreed to take an anchor store in the proposed Charles Street development in Dorchester town centre.

The development firm behind the controversial scheme has revealed it has been in negotiations with M&S over the second anchor store, after Waitrose signed up to the development back in 2011.

Simons says the size of the store and servicing arrangements have now been agreed and described the deal as a display of confidence in the town’s retailing future.

The proposed building will boast around 22,000 square feet of trading space over two floors including a Simply Food section at ground floor level and a cafe on the first floor.

The three-storey building will also have a collect by car facility accessed from an undercroft car parking level.

Mark Hawthorne from Simons Developments said: “We are delighted to have exchanged contracts with M&S and this is a substantial step towards getting the scheme to work and on site.

“We also have a number of other positive conversations ongoing with other retailers and Simons will be looking to present our latest proposals to the general public in due course.”

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12:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

mr commonsense says...

Could somebody explain what an undercroft car parking level is? Perhaps this is gobbly gook for an underground car park for at least 500 cars or did I dream that ???
Could somebody explain what an undercroft car parking level is? Perhaps this is gobbly gook for an underground car park for at least 500 cars or did I dream that ??? mr commonsense
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2:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

shy talk says...

Lets hope M&S do not “up anchor” from Weymouth then.
Lets hope M&S do not “up anchor” from Weymouth then. shy talk
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4:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

ArnieSG says...

mr commonsense wrote:
Could somebody explain what an undercroft car parking level is? Perhaps this is gobbly gook for an underground car park for at least 500 cars or did I dream that ???
An undercroft is traditionally a cellar or storage room, often brick-lined and vaulted, and used for storage in buildings since medieval times. In modern usage, an undercroft is generally a ground (street-level) area which is relatively open to the sides, but covered by the building above
[quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Could somebody explain what an undercroft car parking level is? Perhaps this is gobbly gook for an underground car park for at least 500 cars or did I dream that ???[/p][/quote]An undercroft is traditionally a cellar or storage room,[1] often brick-lined and vaulted, and used for storage in buildings since medieval times. In modern usage, an undercroft is generally a ground (street-level) area which is relatively open to the sides, but covered by the building above ArnieSG
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4:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Diesel Dog says...

Hope the planning committee think about access issues involving Trucks servicing this development are better than Brewers Square. ie Doors which only open onto pavements and hit passing pedestrians because there is no glass in them for the person opening them to see out. Vehicles reversing in areas with pedestrians and lifts which break down so goods cannot be delivered rubbish collected.
Hope the planning committee think about access issues involving Trucks servicing this development are better than Brewers Square. ie Doors which only open onto pavements and hit passing pedestrians because there is no glass in them for the person opening them to see out. Vehicles reversing in areas with pedestrians and lifts which break down so goods cannot be delivered rubbish collected. Diesel Dog
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4:18pm Mon 6 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

Diesel Dog wrote:
Hope the planning committee think about access issues involving Trucks servicing this development are better than Brewers Square. ie Doors which only open onto pavements and hit passing pedestrians because there is no glass in them for the person opening them to see out. Vehicles reversing in areas with pedestrians and lifts which break down so goods cannot be delivered rubbish collected.
Oh don't worry, this is all being planned by WDDC. They've had 30 years to get this right.
[quote][p][bold]Diesel Dog[/bold] wrote: Hope the planning committee think about access issues involving Trucks servicing this development are better than Brewers Square. ie Doors which only open onto pavements and hit passing pedestrians because there is no glass in them for the person opening them to see out. Vehicles reversing in areas with pedestrians and lifts which break down so goods cannot be delivered rubbish collected.[/p][/quote]Oh don't worry, this is all being planned by WDDC. They've had 30 years to get this right. JamesYoung
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4:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

I'm amazed. I never thought this would go ahead.
While i'm pleased that it is, it just proves what many of us have been saying for years - this development will suck the life out of the high street and leave it full of pound shops. We were assured it wouldn't, but i can't see M&S maintaining a presence in South Street too.
I'm amazed. I never thought this would go ahead. While i'm pleased that it is, it just proves what many of us have been saying for years - this development will suck the life out of the high street and leave it full of pound shops. We were assured it wouldn't, but i can't see M&S maintaining a presence in South Street too. JamesYoung
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4:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

mr commonsense says...

Thank you ArnieSG. So no new car parking, very good thinking on the part of the planners.
Has anyone noticed the car park by WDDC offices where if you walk around it you will notice there is room for at least 20 more cars, clearly this was forward thinking.
Thank you ArnieSG. So no new car parking, very good thinking on the part of the planners. Has anyone noticed the car park by WDDC offices where if you walk around it you will notice there is room for at least 20 more cars, clearly this was forward thinking. mr commonsense
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5:41pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Simon Nicholas says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I'm amazed. I never thought this would go ahead.
While i'm pleased that it is, it just proves what many of us have been saying for years - this development will suck the life out of the high street and leave it full of pound shops. We were assured it wouldn't, but i can't see M&S maintaining a presence in South Street too.
From experience, I can`t see a major retailer such as Marks & Spencers maintaining two retail sites so close together, They tried it in Cardiff Queen Street several years back, where the catchment area is huge compared to Dorchester, and it was just was not viable then, and that was pre-recession and with a lot less on line activity!

Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed. I never thought this would go ahead. While i'm pleased that it is, it just proves what many of us have been saying for years - this development will suck the life out of the high street and leave it full of pound shops. We were assured it wouldn't, but i can't see M&S maintaining a presence in South Street too.[/p][/quote]From experience, I can`t see a major retailer such as Marks & Spencers maintaining two retail sites so close together, They tried it in Cardiff Queen Street several years back, where the catchment area is huge compared to Dorchester, and it was just was not viable then, and that was pre-recession and with a lot less on line activity! Simon N. Simon Nicholas
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6:47pm Mon 6 Jan 14

CoogarUK.com says...

While I am now prepared to admit that the UK economy has turned the corner and as a result things are beginning to look much brighter for Dorchester, this will only result in yet another empty town centre (South Street) store for the Dorchester BID to try and fill. Perfect for more 'indies' in the longer term?
While I am now prepared to admit that the UK economy has turned the corner and as a result things are beginning to look much brighter for Dorchester, this will only result in yet another empty town centre (South Street) store for the Dorchester BID to try and fill. Perfect for more 'indies' in the longer term? CoogarUK.com
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7:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

CoogarUK.com wrote:
While I am now prepared to admit that the UK economy has turned the corner and as a result things are beginning to look much brighter for Dorchester, this will only result in yet another empty town centre (South Street) store for the Dorchester BID to try and fill. Perfect for more 'indies' in the longer term?
I'm not so sure the economy has turned the corner.
You may have noted the telegraph article a couple of weeks ago saying that mortgage equity withdrawal was up 25% in the last 3 months of the year.
People taking money out of their houses to pay for Christmas?
A recovery built on debt?
A government debt pile that will have doubled to £1.4tn by 2016.
I'd go so far as to say that this is a dead cat bounce and far worse is yet to come.
A rise in interest rates is all it will take (don't forget that regardless of Osborne and Carnage tell you, it is the market, not the government, that really controls interest rates).
[quote][p][bold]CoogarUK.com[/bold] wrote: While I am now prepared to admit that the UK economy has turned the corner and as a result things are beginning to look much brighter for Dorchester, this will only result in yet another empty town centre (South Street) store for the Dorchester BID to try and fill. Perfect for more 'indies' in the longer term?[/p][/quote]I'm not so sure the economy has turned the corner. You may have noted the telegraph article a couple of weeks ago saying that mortgage equity withdrawal was up 25% in the last 3 months of the year. People taking money out of their houses to pay for Christmas? A recovery built on debt? A government debt pile that will have doubled to £1.4tn by 2016. I'd go so far as to say that this is a dead cat bounce and far worse is yet to come. A rise in interest rates is all it will take (don't forget that regardless of Osborne and Carnage tell you, it is the market, not the government, that really controls interest rates). JamesYoung
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10:31pm Mon 6 Jan 14

ziggystardust says...

shy talk wrote:
Lets hope M&S do not “up anchor” from Weymouth then.
Why would they, Weymouth M&S is always busy, and they know that the area can sustain two of them..

This is just nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: Lets hope M&S do not “up anchor” from Weymouth then.[/p][/quote]Why would they, Weymouth M&S is always busy, and they know that the area can sustain two of them.. This is just nonsense. ziggystardust
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11:48pm Mon 6 Jan 14

high68 says...

just means an empty store in south street and don't forget waitrose move in to a new store too, so there current store will be empty, unless the developer has someone lined up?
just means an empty store in south street and don't forget waitrose move in to a new store too, so there current store will be empty, unless the developer has someone lined up? high68
  • Score: 5

2:43pm Tue 7 Jan 14

RobinofLocksley says...

M&S and Waitrose must see this as an advantageous move, or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps I'm being a bit cynical, but I can't help wondering how much they were 'incentivised'.
M&S and Waitrose must see this as an advantageous move, or they wouldn't be doing it. Perhaps I'm being a bit cynical, but I can't help wondering how much they were 'incentivised'. RobinofLocksley
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4:07pm Tue 7 Jan 14

CoogarUK.com says...

high68 wrote:
just means an empty store in south street and don't forget waitrose move in to a new store too, so there current store will be empty, unless the developer has someone lined up?
Just like I alluded to above.

I had heard that M&S would be moving into the store being vacated by Waitrose but as that is part of the Tudor Arcade development am not sure how likely that would be in reality.
[quote][p][bold]high68[/bold] wrote: just means an empty store in south street and don't forget waitrose move in to a new store too, so there current store will be empty, unless the developer has someone lined up?[/p][/quote]Just like I alluded to above. I had heard that M&S would be moving into the store being vacated by Waitrose but as that is part of the Tudor Arcade development am not sure how likely that would be in reality. CoogarUK.com
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