Update: Portlanders facing almost 1,000 per cent increase in council tax precept

Dorset Echo: Portlanders facing 1,000 per cent increase in council tax Portlanders facing 1,000 per cent increase in council tax

PORTLANDERS are facing a massive increase in their council tax.

Councillors have voted to hike up the town council precept by almost 1,000 per cent in a move to generate extra money for the island.

It will mean the precept bill for a Band D property will rise from around £14 to £150 a year.

That is the town council’s portion of the council tax – other authorities are still to decide their share of the bill.

The amount raised from the Portland precept will be more than £500,000.

A public meeting is being held in the next fortnight where councillors will explain the thinking behind the decision.

Feelings ran high at a meeting on Wednesday night as councillors argued the case for raising more money locally to fund services and community projects in the wake of borough and county council cuts.

It was also explained the government may ‘cap’ council tax next year so a big rise now was justified to avoid missing the chance of improving services.

But several members of the public who attended the meeting vented their anger.

Afterwards one resident, who wouldn’t give his name, said: “It’s outrageous. Decisions are being pushed through without residents being involved. There’s no democracy.

“Some people will struggle to pay this.”

Councillor Tim Munro argued the move would go a long way to helping Portland gain ‘financial independence’.

He said a sum could be set aside for strategic spending on the island while other money could support projects in each ward.

While the majority of councillors agree in principle there should be a rise in the council tax, not all believe there should be such a massive hike.

Mayor Les Ames, who chaired the meeting, said ‘feelings ran high’ and it was sometimes hard to maintain order. He described it as a ‘difficult’ evening.

Sensing members of the public wanted to speak on the item, Coun Ames invited them to have their say even though the opportunity had passed earlier in the meeting.

He said the decision to increase the council tax by so much ‘did not go down well’ with the public.

“A lot of people didn’t like it and I can understand why. I didn’t agree with it myself although I do think there should be an increase.

“My proposal was for a £50 increase but I was outvoted.”

Town clerk Ian Looker said: “I have been informed to instruct the borough the precept has been set.

“We are organising a public meeting in the next 14 days for members to explain to the public why they have agreed that increase on the precept which has gone up to £150 for a Band D property.”

Mr Looker said the precept would generate more than £500,000.

He said a plan had been sketched out into how that money could be spent and that the community would be involved in those decisions.

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1:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

While an £11.50 a month rise will cause pain for some people, to claim that this is a 1000% increase in council tax is a little misleading, since all of these charges arrive on one bill. With band D council tax equating to £1690 in 2013, this is actually just an 8% rise.
Still hard to swallow, undoubtedly, but different by a factor of 125 from the Echo story.
While an £11.50 a month rise will cause pain for some people, to claim that this is a 1000% increase in council tax is a little misleading, since all of these charges arrive on one bill. With band D council tax equating to £1690 in 2013, this is actually just an 8% rise. Still hard to swallow, undoubtedly, but different by a factor of 125 from the Echo story. JamesYoung

1:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Zummerzet Lad says...

Wonga would be proud!!
Wonga would be proud!! Zummerzet Lad

1:31pm Thu 16 Jan 14

February1948 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
While an £11.50 a month rise will cause pain for some people, to claim that this is a 1000% increase in council tax is a little misleading, since all of these charges arrive on one bill. With band D council tax equating to £1690 in 2013, this is actually just an 8% rise. Still hard to swallow, undoubtedly, but different by a factor of 125 from the Echo story.
That is perfectly correct but £11.50 might just be enough to tip some families over the edge. It would be interesting to learn how many householders on Portland are in arrears with their Council Tax and how hard they are being leaned on to find the money for this priority debt.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: While an £11.50 a month rise will cause pain for some people, to claim that this is a 1000% increase in council tax is a little misleading, since all of these charges arrive on one bill. With band D council tax equating to £1690 in 2013, this is actually just an 8% rise. Still hard to swallow, undoubtedly, but different by a factor of 125 from the Echo story.[/p][/quote]That is perfectly correct but £11.50 might just be enough to tip some families over the edge. It would be interesting to learn how many householders on Portland are in arrears with their Council Tax and how hard they are being leaned on to find the money for this priority debt. February1948

2:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

smilealoft44 says...

As usual the Echo prints a story with very little details or facts.
Most people who read this story have little understanding of how the local tax system works.
Why not go the extra mile and talk to each person who voted this through to explain their reasons for the outcome of this meeting.
Why was this required to increased by so much?
What will the money be spent on?
Is this because the goverment has made cuts that locals have to pick up the tab?
Have the councillors made a good / bad call, are they fit for retaining there seats at the next round of voting?
As usual the Echo prints a story with very little details or facts. Most people who read this story have little understanding of how the local tax system works. Why not go the extra mile and talk to each person who voted this through to explain their reasons for the outcome of this meeting. Why was this required to increased by so much? What will the money be spent on? Is this because the goverment has made cuts that locals have to pick up the tab? Have the councillors made a good / bad call, are they fit for retaining there seats at the next round of voting? smilealoft44

2:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Portlander10 says...

JamesYoung,

I think you may have mis-understood the point, the Portland Precept was £11.50 per year, not per month.
Surely if we are currently paying £11.50 per year to now be told we will pay £12.50 per month for 12 months totaling £150 per year then the Echo's claim is quite correct is it not??
Portlander10.
JamesYoung, I think you may have mis-understood the point, the Portland Precept was £11.50 per year, not per month. Surely if we are currently paying £11.50 per year to now be told we will pay £12.50 per month for 12 months totaling £150 per year then the Echo's claim is quite correct is it not?? Portlander10. Portlander10

2:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

schadwick says...

After this amount is approved..........it is going to be interesting to see what exactly the island will receive in improved services -
come on Portland get that Jurassica attraction built and make
yourselves some money........ I can see it outshining weymuff
After this amount is approved..........it is going to be interesting to see what exactly the island will receive in improved services - come on Portland get that Jurassica attraction built and make yourselves some money........ I can see it outshining weymuff schadwick

2:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

shy talk says...

Looking at the Dorset for You website at Portland Town Council charges for 2013/2014. A Band D property is charged £14.73.

So a proposed 1000% increase will cost £162.03 that is a £147.30 increase.

The Echo reporter’s figures do not add up and needs to check and research their figures before going to print.
Looking at the Dorset for You website at Portland Town Council charges for 2013/2014. A Band D property is charged £14.73. So a proposed 1000% increase will cost £162.03 that is a £147.30 increase. The Echo reporter’s figures do not add up and needs to check and research their figures before going to print. shy talk

2:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Weston7 says...

If this extra is to pay for services the County or Borough should be providing, then it is wrong.
If this extra is to pay for services the County or Borough should be providing, then it is wrong. Weston7

3:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

portland rebel says...

ok lets get rid of the town council its a total waste of money does very little for the island and is just a game for plastic wannabes, and for the services we receive from weymouth & weymouth borough council we should be paying 50% less than the rest of the boro.
ok lets get rid of the town council its a total waste of money does very little for the island and is just a game for plastic wannabes, and for the services we receive from weymouth & weymouth borough council we should be paying 50% less than the rest of the boro. portland rebel

3:41pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

I will need some convincing that what is essentially a parish council needs around £ 150 a year. Alternatively, if it does need that much, for instance because they do far more than a parish council, then it begs the question as to why we need 3 layers of local government.

Whatever the mathematics, this is a big increase. I am also unimpressed that they have yet to deign to even give an indication as to how they will spend the money.
I will need some convincing that what is essentially a parish council needs around £ 150 a year. Alternatively, if it does need that much, for instance because they do far more than a parish council, then it begs the question as to why we need 3 layers of local government. Whatever the mathematics, this is a big increase. I am also unimpressed that they have yet to deign to even give an indication as to how they will spend the money. Rocksalt

4:05pm Thu 16 Jan 14

captainsea says...

Mickey Mouse Councillors with Disneyland ideas!
Mickey Mouse Councillors with Disneyland ideas! captainsea

4:06pm Thu 16 Jan 14

arlbergbahn says...

I'm totally confused by this story and the subsequent discussion. Is it true or isn't it? Does it mean that people will have to pay more by the amount stated or not?
I'm totally confused by this story and the subsequent discussion. Is it true or isn't it? Does it mean that people will have to pay more by the amount stated or not? arlbergbahn

4:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

studentlocal says...

I would like to know which Councillors voted each way... that way they can feel my size 10 boot when it comes to the next election.
I would like to know which Councillors voted each way... that way they can feel my size 10 boot when it comes to the next election. studentlocal

4:27pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

studentlocal wrote:
I would like to know which Councillors voted each way... that way they can feel my size 10 boot when it comes to the next election.
Don't hold your breath. They haven't even put the minutes of meetings on their website since June.
[quote][p][bold]studentlocal[/bold] wrote: I would like to know which Councillors voted each way... that way they can feel my size 10 boot when it comes to the next election.[/p][/quote]Don't hold your breath. They haven't even put the minutes of meetings on their website since June. Rocksalt

4:35pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.
That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise. David_divenghy2

4:36pm Thu 16 Jan 14

studentlocal says...

Rocksalt wrote:
studentlocal wrote:
I would like to know which Councillors voted each way... that way they can feel my size 10 boot when it comes to the next election.
Don't hold your breath. They haven't even put the minutes of meetings on their website since June.
They seem efficient... Maybe we should give them more money??

In all seriousness though, they hoard all of the money away and occasionally splash out on civic ceremonies and events to which only other Mayors and civic leaders are invited. Truly a Council of the people...
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]studentlocal[/bold] wrote: I would like to know which Councillors voted each way... that way they can feel my size 10 boot when it comes to the next election.[/p][/quote]Don't hold your breath. They haven't even put the minutes of meetings on their website since June.[/p][/quote]They seem efficient... Maybe we should give them more money?? In all seriousness though, they hoard all of the money away and occasionally splash out on civic ceremonies and events to which only other Mayors and civic leaders are invited. Truly a Council of the people... studentlocal

4:43pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Can we see precisely what reasons were given for this rise and who voted what way please? This is supposedly a democracy isn't it?
Can we see precisely what reasons were given for this rise and who voted what way please? This is supposedly a democracy isn't it? David_divenghy2

4:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.
Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors. Rocksalt

4:54pm Thu 16 Jan 14

drsymes says...

Previously the precept for a band D property on the island was either £11 or £14 per year. This coming year it will rise to £150 per year. A rise of slightly more than the 8% that Mr Young is claiming. Without a calculator in front of me I think that £14 a year to £150 a year is about 1000% as stated by echo reporter.
Previously the precept for a band D property on the island was either £11 or £14 per year. This coming year it will rise to £150 per year. A rise of slightly more than the 8% that Mr Young is claiming. Without a calculator in front of me I think that £14 a year to £150 a year is about 1000% as stated by echo reporter. drsymes

4:58pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.
Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.
...still effectively civil servants collecting for the civil service that wants more money. I see they have not even bothered to update the minutes for over 6 months on the website. Perhaps there too busy out pending the money on jollies with the Mayor and some town twinning.?
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.[/p][/quote]...still effectively civil servants collecting for the civil service that wants more money. I see they have not even bothered to update the minutes for over 6 months on the website. Perhaps there too busy out pending the money on jollies with the Mayor and some town twinning.? David_divenghy2

5:22pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless.
It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless. Rocksalt

5:26pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/5959/1
896534.pdf

" But we think that local people should decide whether to accept an excessive council tax increase. The Localism Act therefore gives local communities the power to decide "

" Transparency is also a powerful preventative against waste and duplication". Does this mean minutes of meetings not updated for over 6 months? No information on what this rise is needed for?

" This means that local authorities will need to convince local voters, rather than central government of the case for excessive rises in council taxes." Where have they done that exactly? Who here is convinced that we need a 1000% rise?
https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/5959/1 896534.pdf " But we think that local people should decide whether to accept an excessive council tax increase. The Localism Act therefore gives local communities the power to decide " " Transparency is also a powerful preventative against waste and duplication". Does this mean minutes of meetings not updated for over 6 months? No information on what this rise is needed for? " This means that local authorities will need to convince local voters, rather than central government of the case for excessive rises in council taxes." Where have they done that exactly? Who here is convinced that we need a 1000% rise? David_divenghy2

5:26pm Thu 16 Jan 14

elloello1980 says...

drsymes wrote:
Previously the precept for a band D property on the island was either £11 or £14 per year. This coming year it will rise to £150 per year. A rise of slightly more than the 8% that Mr Young is claiming. Without a calculator in front of me I think that £14 a year to £150 a year is about 1000% as stated by echo reporter.
And what's your total council tax bill?

Go on, reach for that calculater :)
[quote][p][bold]drsymes[/bold] wrote: Previously the precept for a band D property on the island was either £11 or £14 per year. This coming year it will rise to £150 per year. A rise of slightly more than the 8% that Mr Young is claiming. Without a calculator in front of me I think that £14 a year to £150 a year is about 1000% as stated by echo reporter.[/p][/quote]And what's your total council tax bill? Go on, reach for that calculater :) elloello1980

5:34pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless.
Portland town council are all independent except for Two Labour and one "Nil" ?
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Portland town council are all independent except for Two Labour and one "Nil" ? David_divenghy2

5:38pm Thu 16 Jan 14

drsymes says...

Apologies elloello and Mr Young - When you read headline it does say council tax and not precept!!

Precept is 1000% rise, and i dont have a calculator so overall council tax including precept im assuming is 8%
Apologies elloello and Mr Young - When you read headline it does say council tax and not precept!! Precept is 1000% rise, and i dont have a calculator so overall council tax including precept im assuming is 8% drsymes

5:42pm Thu 16 Jan 14

melcombe boy says...

Rocksalt wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.
Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.
It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice.
Do a little bit of research!
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.[/p][/quote]It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice. Do a little bit of research! melcombe boy

5:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

melcombe boy wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.
Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.
It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice.
Do a little bit of research!
Has Portland council's money been cut by 1000% to warrant the rise? Any links to documents? Ta.
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.[/p][/quote]It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice. Do a little bit of research![/p][/quote]Has Portland council's money been cut by 1000% to warrant the rise? Any links to documents? Ta. David_divenghy2

6:05pm Thu 16 Jan 14

pj1 says...

Can nobody at the Dorset echo count?

The text of the "report" clearly states that it means the bill for a band D property will rise from around £14 to £150 a year.

Lessons for budding journalists:

1. Study English to at least A level
2. Read a good quality broadsheet every day
3. Make sure that you can tell the difference between 8% and 1,000%

Thanks for that fearless exposé.
Can nobody at the Dorset echo count? The text of the "report" clearly states that it means the bill for a band D property will rise from around £14 to £150 a year. Lessons for budding journalists: 1. Study English to at least A level 2. Read a good quality broadsheet every day 3. Make sure that you can tell the difference between 8% and 1,000% Thanks for that fearless exposé. pj1

6:06pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

melcombe boy wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.
Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.
It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice.
Do a little bit of research!
Melcombe Boy
My comment was pointing out that any decisions were nothing to do with civil servants. If you do your own research you will discover that budgets and cuts are the result of decisions made by politicians, not civil servants. Civil servants are employees who simply carry out decisions made by politicians.

Yes, I do understand that if central government politicians cut local government budgets then local councillors must either cut their own spending or increase revenue. Portland councillors have chosen to take the latter path. Given that they don't have responsibility for any of the most important services provided by local government I think this is very curious.

I appreciate that their are many people who probably would pay more in order to maintain or improve local services. They would probably want the money spent on education, adult or children's social services, possibly refuse collection, perhaps even better social housing. I know that if I have to pay another £150 that's what I would want to be spent on

Portland Town Council doesn't provide any of these, so I await with baited breath exactly what they are going to do with the money
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.[/p][/quote]It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice. Do a little bit of research![/p][/quote]Melcombe Boy My comment was pointing out that any decisions were nothing to do with civil servants. If you do your own research you will discover that budgets and cuts are the result of decisions made by politicians, not civil servants. Civil servants are employees who simply carry out decisions made by politicians. Yes, I do understand that if central government politicians cut local government budgets then local councillors must either cut their own spending or increase revenue. Portland councillors have chosen to take the latter path. Given that they don't have responsibility for any of the most important services provided by local government I think this is very curious. I appreciate that their are many people who probably would pay more in order to maintain or improve local services. They would probably want the money spent on education, adult or children's social services, possibly refuse collection, perhaps even better social housing. I know that if I have to pay another £150 that's what I would want to be spent on Portland Town Council doesn't provide any of these, so I await with baited breath exactly what they are going to do with the money Rocksalt

6:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Gordon Bennett says...

The amount of council tax I have to pay is already ludicrous. What do I get for it - virtually nothing. Where will this money go - even more cycle paths, a few more fireworks. Why do we even need 3 councils ? Do these councillors actually live on this planet ? Do they in no way comprehend the pressure on many families finances ? If this is voted through I suggest everybody on Portland refuse to pay it.
The amount of council tax I have to pay is already ludicrous. What do I get for it - virtually nothing. Where will this money go - even more cycle paths, a few more fireworks. Why do we even need 3 councils ? Do these councillors actually live on this planet ? Do they in no way comprehend the pressure on many families finances ? If this is voted through I suggest everybody on Portland refuse to pay it. Gordon Bennett

6:47pm Thu 16 Jan 14

doyle52 says...

Forget the precept stuff and all the dribble some do not understand and be real this rise will affect everyones bill and that is before the borough announce their rise which will happen as it always does . And they are losing money hand over fist so add the rises together and its probable that a band D will rise to a level people will struggle to pay? Now im sure if the ptc bank balance is extremely healthy once this rise takes affect will they not in turn say Portland can afford to have their own services and then drop theirs and then where will we be ?? Its bad enough now bugger all gets done!
Forget the precept stuff and all the dribble some do not understand and be real this rise will affect everyones bill and that is before the borough announce their rise which will happen as it always does . And they are losing money hand over fist so add the rises together and its probable that a band D will rise to a level people will struggle to pay? Now im sure if the ptc bank balance is extremely healthy once this rise takes affect will they not in turn say Portland can afford to have their own services and then drop theirs and then where will we be ?? Its bad enough now bugger all gets done! doyle52

8:11pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

I see that Brighton Council is holding a referendum because it wants to increase council tax by 4%. The BBC report suggests that local councils have to hold a referendum if they want an increase of more than 2%. This requirement was introduced by the government inn 2010.

Portland Town Council's proposed increase will add more than 2% to overall bills,, but there isn't any mention of a referendum. Why is this ?
I see that Brighton Council is holding a referendum because it wants to increase council tax by 4%. The BBC report suggests that local councils have to hold a referendum if they want an increase of more than 2%. This requirement was introduced by the government inn 2010. Portland Town Council's proposed increase will add more than 2% to overall bills,, but there isn't any mention of a referendum. Why is this ? Rocksalt

8:31pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
I see that Brighton Council is holding a referendum because it wants to increase council tax by 4%. The BBC report suggests that local councils have to hold a referendum if they want an increase of more than 2%. This requirement was introduced by the government inn 2010.

Portland Town Council's proposed increase will add more than 2% to overall bills,, but there isn't any mention of a referendum. Why is this ?
" Under rules set by the coalition government, any authority wanting to increase council tax by more than 2% must put their plans to a local vote."
Since the 2010 General Election, several councils in England have talked about holding referendums, but none have actually done so."

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-sus
sex-25765598

The rules:
http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/ukdsi/2013
/9780111532935?view=
plain
http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/ukpga/1992
/14/section/52Q
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: I see that Brighton Council is holding a referendum because it wants to increase council tax by 4%. The BBC report suggests that local councils have to hold a referendum if they want an increase of more than 2%. This requirement was introduced by the government inn 2010. Portland Town Council's proposed increase will add more than 2% to overall bills,, but there isn't any mention of a referendum. Why is this ?[/p][/quote]" Under rules set by the coalition government, any authority wanting to increase council tax by more than 2% must put their plans to a local vote." Since the 2010 General Election, several councils in England have talked about holding referendums, but none have actually done so." http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-sus sex-25765598 The rules: http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/ukdsi/2013 /9780111532935?view= plain http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/ukpga/1992 /14/section/52Q David_divenghy2

8:52pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless.
Portland town council are all independent except for Two Labour and one "Nil" ?
I think you will find that more than one stood as a Conservative Party candidate in the recent Weymouth & Portland Borough Elections. They may choose to describe themselves as Independent in the Town Council, but I assume that anyone who stands as a Conservative in another election will be a Conservative Party member.

I would bet a substantial sum that the majority of the other non Labour councillors are conservative ( ie.right leaning) even if not actually members of the Conservative party.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Portland town council are all independent except for Two Labour and one "Nil" ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find that more than one stood as a Conservative Party candidate in the recent Weymouth & Portland Borough Elections. They may choose to describe themselves as Independent in the Town Council, but I assume that anyone who stands as a Conservative in another election will be a Conservative Party member. I would bet a substantial sum that the majority of the other non Labour councillors are conservative ( ie.right leaning) even if not actually members of the Conservative party. Rocksalt

9:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless.
Portland town council are all independent except for Two Labour and one "Nil" ?
I think you will find that more than one stood as a Conservative Party candidate in the recent Weymouth & Portland Borough Elections. They may choose to describe themselves as Independent in the Town Council, but I assume that anyone who stands as a Conservative in another election will be a Conservative Party member.

I would bet a substantial sum that the majority of the other non Labour councillors are conservative ( ie.right leaning) even if not actually members of the Conservative party.
That was the Portland town council I was referring too not sure if they stood elsewhere? The big three are all as bad as each other regardless of political leanings. I wonder did the left leaning Labour Portland Councillors stand up and angrily refuse to accept such a large rise on behalf of the locals?

Anyway, best i can find out in short time is that it appears the 2% referendum does not apply to parish/town level councils at this time, but may do soon or further cuts higher up will effect? That's probably why many local councils are doing a smash and grab now whether they actually need it or not.

Worse still in February 2014 I think the county council are looking at a possible increase also? Are they refusing to pass on monies to local councils forcing them to make precept increases in advance ?
http://www.dorsetech
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In any event whether i got that right or not, I would still like to see exactly how they came to such a high amount and who voted what way?
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: It's also ironic that this increase is proposed by a council with a preponderance of Conservative ( with a big or little c) councillors. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Portland town council are all independent except for Two Labour and one "Nil" ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find that more than one stood as a Conservative Party candidate in the recent Weymouth & Portland Borough Elections. They may choose to describe themselves as Independent in the Town Council, but I assume that anyone who stands as a Conservative in another election will be a Conservative Party member. I would bet a substantial sum that the majority of the other non Labour councillors are conservative ( ie.right leaning) even if not actually members of the Conservative party.[/p][/quote]That was the Portland town council I was referring too not sure if they stood elsewhere? The big three are all as bad as each other regardless of political leanings. I wonder did the left leaning Labour Portland Councillors stand up and angrily refuse to accept such a large rise on behalf of the locals? Anyway, best i can find out in short time is that it appears the 2% referendum does not apply to parish/town level councils at this time, but may do soon or further cuts higher up will effect? That's probably why many local councils are doing a smash and grab now whether they actually need it or not. Worse still in February 2014 I think the county council are looking at a possible increase also? Are they refusing to pass on monies to local councils forcing them to make precept increases in advance ? http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1079630 0.Dorset_s_local_aut horities_could_be_se t_to_increase_counci l_tax/ In any event whether i got that right or not, I would still like to see exactly how they came to such a high amount and who voted what way? David_divenghy2

10:03pm Thu 16 Jan 14

wurzelbasher says...

Just think people of all the Foreign Aid we send out each year; about 7% of GDP. That is our money so, proud people, we are helping to save the world - from what no one knows!
Just think people of all the Foreign Aid we send out each year; about 7% of GDP. That is our money so, proud people, we are helping to save the world - from what no one knows! wurzelbasher

10:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

Portlander10 wrote:
JamesYoung,

I think you may have mis-understood the point, the Portland Precept was £11.50 per year, not per month.
Surely if we are currently paying £11.50 per year to now be told we will pay £12.50 per month for 12 months totaling £150 per year then the Echo's claim is quite correct is it not??
Portlander10.
No, i understood the point perfectly well.
The headline refers to a 1000% increase in council tax.
The band D council tax charge for WPBD is £1690. A 1000% increase in Council Tax would therefore mean the new bill will be £16,900.
I'm not arguing about affordability, simply pointing out that this is shoddy journalism.
[quote][p][bold]Portlander10[/bold] wrote: JamesYoung, I think you may have mis-understood the point, the Portland Precept was £11.50 per year, not per month. Surely if we are currently paying £11.50 per year to now be told we will pay £12.50 per month for 12 months totaling £150 per year then the Echo's claim is quite correct is it not?? Portlander10.[/p][/quote]No, i understood the point perfectly well. The headline refers to a 1000% increase in council tax. The band D council tax charge for WPBD is £1690. A 1000% increase in Council Tax would therefore mean the new bill will be £16,900. I'm not arguing about affordability, simply pointing out that this is shoddy journalism. JamesYoung

10:29pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Weston7 says...

Keep party politics out of this. Portland has always been independent (in the true sense) minded. Attack indiviuals for what they are and do, not what party or not they belong to.
Keep party politics out of this. Portland has always been independent (in the true sense) minded. Attack indiviuals for what they are and do, not what party or not they belong to. Weston7

10:34pm Thu 16 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

melcombe boy wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.
Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.
It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice.
Do a little bit of research!
Arguably the government has little choice either. By 2015, it will owe double the money that Labour owed when they left power (and they had to spend out to bail out the banks). I think the figure is presently around £20k for every man, woman and child in the country.
There are only three ways they can pay off that money. Increase taxes (which will cripple the economy), increase inflation (10% a year would have the real value of that debt in about 7 years - but bankrupt many families along the way), or go for a Cyprus style bail-in, with the government pinching your wealth.
The only other way is to cut services, which is the route they are going down.
If you google "IMF global wealth tax" you'll find that the International Monetary Fund is suggesting that governments stage a one off raid on the contents of peoples bank accounts, pension funds and shareholdings.
A very different picture to all the supposed growth in the high street, isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: That's the civil service, always pilfering your pockets to keep theirs full. There is no need for this rise.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the civil service or civil servants, (who work for central government ) or local council employees for that matter. This is down to local councillors.[/p][/quote]It is because of Government enforced cutbacks. The council has no choice. Do a little bit of research![/p][/quote]Arguably the government has little choice either. By 2015, it will owe double the money that Labour owed when they left power (and they had to spend out to bail out the banks). I think the figure is presently around £20k for every man, woman and child in the country. There are only three ways they can pay off that money. Increase taxes (which will cripple the economy), increase inflation (10% a year would have the real value of that debt in about 7 years - but bankrupt many families along the way), or go for a Cyprus style bail-in, with the government pinching your wealth. The only other way is to cut services, which is the route they are going down. If you google "IMF global wealth tax" you'll find that the International Monetary Fund is suggesting that governments stage a one off raid on the contents of peoples bank accounts, pension funds and shareholdings. A very different picture to all the supposed growth in the high street, isn't it. JamesYoung

10:36pm Thu 16 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

Weston7 wrote:
Keep party politics out of this. Portland has always been independent (in the true sense) minded. Attack indiviuals for what they are and do, not what party or not they belong to.
Isn't that what some posters ARE doing? Swapping parties after election is not how democracy is supposed to work, is it?
Although, democracy and political parties are a contradiction anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Weston7[/bold] wrote: Keep party politics out of this. Portland has always been independent (in the true sense) minded. Attack indiviuals for what they are and do, not what party or not they belong to.[/p][/quote]Isn't that what some posters ARE doing? Swapping parties after election is not how democracy is supposed to work, is it? Although, democracy and political parties are a contradiction anyway. JamesYoung

7:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

So, to recap, a council that has not published its minutes for 6 months wants to impose an enormous increase. And I see that in the minutes that are available that the council appeared to be in dispute with the internal auditors. This does not fill me with any confidence.

I also wonder what moral authority the councillors feel they have to make this decision. A good number of them stood in County Council and Borough elections in the last year or two and lost. They have no mandate.
So, to recap, a council that has not published its minutes for 6 months wants to impose an enormous increase. And I see that in the minutes that are available that the council appeared to be in dispute with the internal auditors. This does not fill me with any confidence. I also wonder what moral authority the councillors feel they have to make this decision. A good number of them stood in County Council and Borough elections in the last year or two and lost. They have no mandate. Rocksalt

11:32am Fri 17 Jan 14

portlandboy says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
I'm totally confused by this story and the subsequent discussion. Is it true or isn't it? Does it mean that people will have to pay more by the amount stated or not?
Residents of Portland have had to pay an extra amount on top of their WPBC Council Tax since it was introduced. It is called a precept. That means that if you have a property on Portland which is the same Tax band as one in Weymouth, you have to pay the extra charge (the precept) for the 'privilege' of having a Portland Town Council. The idea of the extra charge has always been to allow Portland to keep it's own Town Council, so that it can make decisions for the benefit of the Island, but that system no longer works in practice. The precept has always been a fairly low cost in relation to the overall Council Tax charge, at about £10 - £15 per year. Now it will cost £160 extra per year - which is an increase of more that 1000% on the current precept charge and is payable IN ADDITION to the standard CT charges.
So yes, Portland property owners will have to pay £160 per year more than owners of properties in Weymouth in the same CT band.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: I'm totally confused by this story and the subsequent discussion. Is it true or isn't it? Does it mean that people will have to pay more by the amount stated or not?[/p][/quote]Residents of Portland have had to pay an extra amount on top of their WPBC Council Tax since it was introduced. It is called a precept. That means that if you have a property on Portland which is the same Tax band as one in Weymouth, you have to pay the extra charge (the precept) for the 'privilege' of having a Portland Town Council. The idea of the extra charge has always been to allow Portland to keep it's own Town Council, so that it can make decisions for the benefit of the Island, but that system no longer works in practice. The precept has always been a fairly low cost in relation to the overall Council Tax charge, at about £10 - £15 per year. Now it will cost £160 extra per year - which is an increase of more that 1000% on the current precept charge and is payable IN ADDITION to the standard CT charges. So yes, Portland property owners will have to pay £160 per year more than owners of properties in Weymouth in the same CT band. portlandboy

12:27pm Fri 17 Jan 14

doyle52 says...

Well Well Well what a surprise we are on an open forum giving out the truth as we know it 100%. So what if we name a few people in Portland Town council that are ruining the place left right and centre.
That is our freedom and democratic right but low and behold truth hurts and then our comments get taken off ! Echo you should be ashamed of yourselves not letting people give out the real views!! Guys who have been on this know what comments were made but now you have muddied the waters and no more people will see where we are really going and who is responsible!! Tut Tut ! No matter though we all know and there are other sites,forums that will get mine and others correct views and thruth`s and these Councillors who i now cannot name in fear of a hand slap on the echo forum will be ousted in another place!!
Your forum is a waste of time if you do not let people make valued if not political reflections in fear of the same people we are trying to expose!!
What type of press is that and i shall tell you- One that lets these people hide under the rug without fear of reprisal or exposing them for what they really are and do and that is Wink Wink nudge nudge!!
Everybody who makes a comment on here shows guts and does not hide whether i agree with them or they disagree with me they stand up and be counted but do the guys that the article relates to do the same?
I think not !!! Thanks for nothing!
Well Well Well what a surprise we are on an open forum giving out the truth as we know it 100%. So what if we name a few people in Portland Town council that are ruining the place left right and centre. That is our freedom and democratic right but low and behold truth hurts and then our comments get taken off ! Echo you should be ashamed of yourselves not letting people give out the real views!! Guys who have been on this know what comments were made but now you have muddied the waters and no more people will see where we are really going and who is responsible!! Tut Tut ! No matter though we all know and there are other sites,forums that will get mine and others correct views and thruth`s and these Councillors who i now cannot name in fear of a hand slap on the echo forum will be ousted in another place!! Your forum is a waste of time if you do not let people make valued if not political reflections in fear of the same people we are trying to expose!! What type of press is that and i shall tell you- One that lets these people hide under the rug without fear of reprisal or exposing them for what they really are and do and that is Wink Wink nudge nudge!! Everybody who makes a comment on here shows guts and does not hide whether i agree with them or they disagree with me they stand up and be counted but do the guys that the article relates to do the same? I think not !!! Thanks for nothing! doyle52

12:35pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Foursite says...

Press censorship in a democracy,why were comments by foursite removed?
He was at the meeting and told the people what happened for real. not to be buttered up by an autocratic council..You can usually find Tim Munroe's car near his business Jacks Cafe parked on double yellows with a disabled parking permit in the windscreen Y7 TBM. allegedly belonging to his elderly mother many photo's available.follow us on facebook. He is doomed.
Press censorship in a democracy,why were comments by foursite removed? He was at the meeting and told the people what happened for real. not to be buttered up by an autocratic council..You can usually find Tim Munroe's car near his business Jacks Cafe parked on double yellows with a disabled parking permit in the windscreen Y7 TBM. allegedly belonging to his elderly mother many photo's available.follow us on facebook. He is doomed. Foursite

12:37pm Fri 17 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Seems yet again some censoring has been going on too at least 10 peoples comments removed?
Seems yet again some censoring has been going on too at least 10 peoples comments removed? David_divenghy2

1:44pm Fri 17 Jan 14

radiator says...

Is this proposed increase legal? I thought that central government had some control over council increases. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
Is this proposed increase legal? I thought that central government had some control over council increases. Perhaps someone could enlighten me. radiator

1:45pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Foursite says...

The Echo had every opportunity to be at the meeting,In fact they were slated by Munroe for not being there.My advice to those who do not like the comments that led to censorship is,"if you cant stand the heat,do the right thing and get out of the kitchen" Eric Pickles is closing the loophole,so he does acknowledge what this council has just imposed on their constituents is wrong.The council were told that on the night.
The Echo had every opportunity to be at the meeting,In fact they were slated by Munroe for not being there.My advice to those who do not like the comments that led to censorship is,"if you cant stand the heat,do the right thing and get out of the kitchen" Eric Pickles is closing the loophole,so he does acknowledge what this council has just imposed on their constituents is wrong.The council were told that on the night. Foursite

1:51pm Fri 17 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

radiator wrote:
Is this proposed increase legal? I thought that central government had some control over council increases. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
Read the thread above, the info is mostly there with links to information.
[quote][p][bold]radiator[/bold] wrote: Is this proposed increase legal? I thought that central government had some control over council increases. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.[/p][/quote]Read the thread above, the info is mostly there with links to information. David_divenghy2

2:14pm Fri 17 Jan 14

JamesYoung says...

Foursite wrote:
The Echo had every opportunity to be at the meeting,In fact they were slated by Munroe for not being there.My advice to those who do not like the comments that led to censorship is,"if you cant stand the heat,do the right thing and get out of the kitchen" Eric Pickles is closing the loophole,so he does acknowledge what this council has just imposed on their constituents is wrong.The council were told that on the night.
I don't really understand why the comments were edited, since it is a matter of public record who the councillors are.
So i've checked, and 33% of councillors on Portland Town Council have "Munro" in their surnames. Sorry, but this is clearly not a good thing for local democracy.
[quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote: The Echo had every opportunity to be at the meeting,In fact they were slated by Munroe for not being there.My advice to those who do not like the comments that led to censorship is,"if you cant stand the heat,do the right thing and get out of the kitchen" Eric Pickles is closing the loophole,so he does acknowledge what this council has just imposed on their constituents is wrong.The council were told that on the night.[/p][/quote]I don't really understand why the comments were edited, since it is a matter of public record who the councillors are. So i've checked, and 33% of councillors on Portland Town Council have "Munro" in their surnames. Sorry, but this is clearly not a good thing for local democracy. JamesYoung

2:17pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Rocksalt says...

Oh well, now the comments have gone people can at least look back at the council minutes to see who said what. Oh, hang on....
Oh well, now the comments have gone people can at least look back at the council minutes to see who said what. Oh, hang on.... Rocksalt

2:28pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Wilbraham says...

A few years ago there was a referendum to decide whether we wanted a town council. It was a very low turnout I think something like a 10% vote. There was a very small majority to keep the council. The Town Councillors are voted in by a tiny percentage of the electorate and have, therefore, no mandate to charge anything. The argument about percentages I find irrelevant. It is a big rise and we have not been asked and have not been told what the £500,000 is to be used for.
A few years ago there was a referendum to decide whether we wanted a town council. It was a very low turnout I think something like a 10% vote. There was a very small majority to keep the council. The Town Councillors are voted in by a tiny percentage of the electorate and have, therefore, no mandate to charge anything. The argument about percentages I find irrelevant. It is a big rise and we have not been asked and have not been told what the £500,000 is to be used for. Wilbraham

3:19pm Fri 17 Jan 14

portlandboy says...

radiator wrote:
Is this proposed increase legal? I thought that central government had some control over council increases. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
Capping is in place for Council Tax bills from central government, but precept increases are not. It is a loophole in the system which many town councils are exploiting to fund their shortfalls, or to offset future 'hardships' within the councils
[quote][p][bold]radiator[/bold] wrote: Is this proposed increase legal? I thought that central government had some control over council increases. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.[/p][/quote]Capping is in place for Council Tax bills from central government, but precept increases are not. It is a loophole in the system which many town councils are exploiting to fund their shortfalls, or to offset future 'hardships' within the councils portlandboy

3:57pm Fri 17 Jan 14

t.munro says...

Foursite wrote:
Press censorship in a democracy,why were comments by foursite removed? He was at the meeting and told the people what happened for real. not to be buttered up by an autocratic council..You can usually find Tim Munroe's car near his business Jacks Cafe parked on double yellows with a disabled parking permit in the windscreen Y7 TBM. allegedly belonging to his elderly mother many photo's available.follow us on facebook. He is doomed.
To correct any misapprehension.
The disabled badge that I use is mine.
It has a number, you are at liberty to take the number
and check.
I have not complained to the Echo about the comments
not have I requested them to remove any comments
nor has anyone else that has been mentioned on here,
I have no idea whom made the complaint.
They are your views and whilst I may disagree
with them, unless offensive or threatening, they
should be aired.
What I find regretable, is that you all choose to hid away
behind funny little names.
[quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote: Press censorship in a democracy,why were comments by foursite removed? He was at the meeting and told the people what happened for real. not to be buttered up by an autocratic council..You can usually find Tim Munroe's car near his business Jacks Cafe parked on double yellows with a disabled parking permit in the windscreen Y7 TBM. allegedly belonging to his elderly mother many photo's available.follow us on facebook. He is doomed.[/p][/quote]To correct any misapprehension. The disabled badge that I use is mine. It has a number, you are at liberty to take the number and check. I have not complained to the Echo about the comments not have I requested them to remove any comments nor has anyone else that has been mentioned on here, I have no idea whom made the complaint. They are your views and whilst I may disagree with them, unless offensive or threatening, they should be aired. What I find regretable, is that you all choose to hid away behind funny little names. t.munro

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