Developer wins planning appeal to build on Weymouth open space

Dorset Echo: Malcolm Brown,  planning director at Sibbett Gregory Malcolm Brown, planning director at Sibbett Gregory

A DEVELOPER has won its case to build homes on open space in Weymouth.

A government inspector has ruled in favour of Betterment Properties which has proposed a major development at Curtis Fields near Lanehouse.

An application for planning permission was submitted to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council last year but Betterment referred it to the Planning Inspectorate after the council’s planning committee deferred the decision so members could visit the site. Councillors later said the application should be rejected.

Part of Curtis Fields, also known as Markham and Little Francis, is also subject to an ongoing battle by campaigners to get it re-registered as a Town Green, but this area is not included in the proposed development.

An eight-day appeal into whether planning permission should be granted for Betterment’s scheme was held at the sailing academy in November 2013 with planning inspector Christina Downes in the chair.

She said the arguments to be discussed would include whether the proposals are needed to meet the borough’s requirement for affordable housing, the effect on the function of the site as an open gap, as well as design, layout and highways issues.

Betterment argued the council had adopted a ‘dismissive attitude’ towards the application which it said was ‘sustainable’.

The council said there had been significant objections to the plan, which was earmarked for an ‘important open gap’.

The inspector has decided to grant planning permission for the scheme, which includes demolition of existing derelict farm buildings and the formation of 64 residential dwellings, 19 flats, a convenience store, and office premises together with alterations to the existing watercourse, drainage, highways and landscaping. Outline permission was also granted for a second phase of development for a further 97 dwellings.

The inspector said the development would make an important impact on the shortfall of housing required over the next five years.

Malcolm Brown Planning Director at Sibbett Gregory, which acted on behalf of Betterment, said: “Based on the requirement for the provision of housing over the next five years in Weymouth and Portland, combined with the limited supply of development land, the scheme offered obvious benefits to the borough with negligible impact.

“It was for this reason that we considered Weymouth and Portland Borough Councils’ decision to reject the application was flawed.”

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8:49am Tue 21 Jan 14

Dont JustSitThereVote says...

More second homes and retirement flats then... It will be interesting to know how many of these houses will actually be taken by local people.
More second homes and retirement flats then... It will be interesting to know how many of these houses will actually be taken by local people. Dont JustSitThereVote

9:10am Tue 21 Jan 14

PHonnor says...

Its all well and good the Government issuing figures on how many houses a local authority has to build the the problem with Weymouth is there is limited space. W&PBC is surrounded on 3 sides by WDDC and the sea the other, other than a boundry chance I cant see how the council will keep up with the requirement for new housing in the borough.
Its all well and good the Government issuing figures on how many houses a local authority has to build the the problem with Weymouth is there is limited space. W&PBC is surrounded on 3 sides by WDDC and the sea the other, other than a boundry chance I cant see how the council will keep up with the requirement for new housing in the borough. PHonnor

10:29am Tue 21 Jan 14

bargain price says...

Money talks louder than the country side, unfortunately that's the world we live in now . Its a shame
Money talks louder than the country side, unfortunately that's the world we live in now . Its a shame bargain price

10:49am Tue 21 Jan 14

elloello1980 says...

"affordable housing"

Do they mean housing for the jobless, or unaffordable housing for those working?
"affordable housing" Do they mean housing for the jobless, or unaffordable housing for those working? elloello1980

12:13pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Caption Sensible says...

PHonnor wrote:
Its all well and good the Government issuing figures on how many houses a local authority has to build the the problem with Weymouth is there is limited space. W&PBC is surrounded on 3 sides by WDDC and the sea the other, other than a boundry chance I cant see how the council will keep up with the requirement for new housing in the borough.
Time for Weymouth & Portland to extend its boundaries. The town has to be given the opportunity to grow. It's either outwards or upwards.
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: Its all well and good the Government issuing figures on how many houses a local authority has to build the the problem with Weymouth is there is limited space. W&PBC is surrounded on 3 sides by WDDC and the sea the other, other than a boundry chance I cant see how the council will keep up with the requirement for new housing in the borough.[/p][/quote]Time for Weymouth & Portland to extend its boundaries. The town has to be given the opportunity to grow. It's either outwards or upwards. Caption Sensible

3:31pm Tue 21 Jan 14

JACKC says...

OH WHAT A SURPRISE......anothe
r green space gone to a greedy developer who claims to be helping with the housing crisis. Typical result in Weymouth. Affordable housing my a..!!!! Bargain Price... you have hit the nail on the head with 'money talks'. Always has, always will, especially in Weymouth and surrounding areas.
OH WHAT A SURPRISE......anothe r green space gone to a greedy developer who claims to be helping with the housing crisis. Typical result in Weymouth. Affordable housing my a..!!!! Bargain Price... you have hit the nail on the head with 'money talks'. Always has, always will, especially in Weymouth and surrounding areas. JACKC

5:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

cosmick says...

Dont JustSitThereVote wrote:
More second homes and retirement flats then... It will be interesting to know how many of these houses will actually be taken by local people.
The inspector should of made it a condition that these houses are for LOCAL people. Good hard working people.
[quote][p][bold]Dont JustSitThereVote[/bold] wrote: More second homes and retirement flats then... It will be interesting to know how many of these houses will actually be taken by local people.[/p][/quote]The inspector should of made it a condition that these houses are for LOCAL people. Good hard working people. cosmick

6:19pm Tue 21 Jan 14

toyota777 says...

It's happening all over the country with greedy developers getting their own way.
It's happening all over the country with greedy developers getting their own way. toyota777

8:07pm Tue 21 Jan 14

rjimmer says...

Well Done, Mervyn!
Well Done, Mervyn! rjimmer

9:42pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Tinker2 says...

To my mind Betterment Properties have been a solid and progressive local firm of property developers over many years. They have consistently provided much needed local housing and this new development of 160+ houses will I am sure play a vital role in addressing Weymouth's housing needs over the forthcoming years. This will be at no cost to the Council and I expect Betterment will have to provide some enhancements and facilities, not least that I understand a large expance of green space will be left for all to enjoy.
To my mind Betterment Properties have been a solid and progressive local firm of property developers over many years. They have consistently provided much needed local housing and this new development of 160+ houses will I am sure play a vital role in addressing Weymouth's housing needs over the forthcoming years. This will be at no cost to the Council and I expect Betterment will have to provide some enhancements and facilities, not least that I understand a large expance of green space will be left for all to enjoy. Tinker2

9:51pm Tue 21 Jan 14

osmington4 says...

How sad........but inevitable as we all know that "money talks". The start of many more to come housing developments on and around Weymouth all brought about by greed and a desire to ruin every open, green space. At the cost to land that is lost forever only to be bulldozed and tarmaced over......Apalling result.
How sad........but inevitable as we all know that "money talks". The start of many more to come housing developments on and around Weymouth all brought about by greed and a desire to ruin every open, green space. At the cost to land that is lost forever only to be bulldozed and tarmaced over......Apalling result. osmington4

10:00pm Tue 21 Jan 14

osmington4 says...

Tinker2 wrote:
To my mind Betterment Properties have been a solid and progressive local firm of property developers over many years. They have consistently provided much needed local housing and this new development of 160+ houses will I am sure play a vital role in addressing Weymouth's housing needs over the forthcoming years. This will be at no cost to the Council and I expect Betterment will have to provide some enhancements and facilities, not least that I understand a large expance of green space will be left for all to enjoy.
Surely Betterment should be made to provide another school (complete with paid for teaching staff) another gp surgery (fully equipped with dr`s, nurses etc), to support the infrastructure of this ghastly, new development (that none of the locals wanted or supported).........W
eymouth in it`s current state just, simply does not have the means to deal with more people and the scope that goes with that.
[quote][p][bold]Tinker2[/bold] wrote: To my mind Betterment Properties have been a solid and progressive local firm of property developers over many years. They have consistently provided much needed local housing and this new development of 160+ houses will I am sure play a vital role in addressing Weymouth's housing needs over the forthcoming years. This will be at no cost to the Council and I expect Betterment will have to provide some enhancements and facilities, not least that I understand a large expance of green space will be left for all to enjoy.[/p][/quote]Surely Betterment should be made to provide another school (complete with paid for teaching staff) another gp surgery (fully equipped with dr`s, nurses etc), to support the infrastructure of this ghastly, new development (that none of the locals wanted or supported).........W eymouth in it`s current state just, simply does not have the means to deal with more people and the scope that goes with that. osmington4

10:32pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Tinker2 says...

osmington4 wrote:
How sad........but inevitable as we all know that "money talks". The start of many more to come housing developments on and around Weymouth all brought about by greed and a desire to ruin every open, green space. At the cost to land that is lost forever only to be bulldozed and tarmaced over......Apalling result.
Osmington, sounds like you are not a supporter of the capitalist society in which we live?
Down with Developers and greed! - well the fact is every business has to make profit to survive. You could say it has a 'duty' to make money.
Property developers will employ a whole network of trades, they will be buying huge amounts of materials; this is what supports workers and industry. Developers undertake commercial risk as it is underatken at their own expence. The houses will be for locals, or people moving to the area. More houses = more property tax to the authority. More people = more footfall and spend in the town.
Is it not better to infill some of the urban space between existing town development, rather than expanding out in to the real open green space, which is the countryside?
[quote][p][bold]osmington4[/bold] wrote: How sad........but inevitable as we all know that "money talks". The start of many more to come housing developments on and around Weymouth all brought about by greed and a desire to ruin every open, green space. At the cost to land that is lost forever only to be bulldozed and tarmaced over......Apalling result.[/p][/quote]Osmington, sounds like you are not a supporter of the capitalist society in which we live? Down with Developers and greed! - well the fact is every business has to make profit to survive. You could say it has a 'duty' to make money. Property developers will employ a whole network of trades, they will be buying huge amounts of materials; this is what supports workers and industry. Developers undertake commercial risk as it is underatken at their own expence. The houses will be for locals, or people moving to the area. More houses = more property tax to the authority. More people = more footfall and spend in the town. Is it not better to infill some of the urban space between existing town development, rather than expanding out in to the real open green space, which is the countryside? Tinker2

11:11pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

What should be kept in mind at all times is that the current hominid population of Weymouth is a little on the heavy side for the entire United Kingdom, according to figures I calculated in the 1970s, which concluded that about 50-60,000 persons would be ecologically acceptable for our little archipelago, and about a million for the whole planet. Two or three years after I arrived at this conclusion, some other scientists publicly stated that, in their opinion, the number of people the land-mass of Gt Britain could reasonably be expected to support, by producing all our own food and not degrading our environment, would be circa 50,000 - slightly less than my own estimate. We neither need, nor WANT, additional people in our town, which is bursting at the seams already. Keep building more houses, and more people will keep flooding in. Politicians are, of course, both stupid and ignorant (greedy, too!) - it's what they do - but one day, when even THEY can see that trashing all our countryside is NOT the answer to our INSANELY-rising population, perhaps we'll see some far-sighted people DEMANDING PCE & E: Population Control, Eugeniks and Euthanasia. To do so will mean behaving like the intelligent mammal we like to claim to be..
What should be kept in mind at all times is that the current hominid population of Weymouth is a little on the heavy side for the entire United Kingdom, according to figures I calculated in the 1970s, which concluded that about 50-60,000 persons would be ecologically acceptable for our little archipelago, and about a million for the whole planet. Two or three years after I arrived at this conclusion, some other scientists publicly stated that, in their opinion, the number of people the land-mass of Gt Britain could reasonably be expected to support, by producing all our own food and not degrading our environment, would be circa 50,000 - slightly less than my own estimate. We neither need, nor WANT, additional people in our town, which is bursting at the seams already. Keep building more houses, and more people will keep flooding in. Politicians are, of course, both stupid and ignorant (greedy, too!) - it's what they do - but one day, when even THEY can see that trashing all our countryside is NOT the answer to our INSANELY-rising population, perhaps we'll see some far-sighted people DEMANDING PCE & E: Population Control, Eugeniks and Euthanasia. To do so will mean behaving like the intelligent mammal we like to claim to be.. Harpya Orkinus

8:44am Wed 22 Jan 14

osmington4 says...

Tinker2 wrote:
osmington4 wrote:
How sad........but inevitable as we all know that "money talks". The start of many more to come housing developments on and around Weymouth all brought about by greed and a desire to ruin every open, green space. At the cost to land that is lost forever only to be bulldozed and tarmaced over......Apalling result.
Osmington, sounds like you are not a supporter of the capitalist society in which we live?
Down with Developers and greed! - well the fact is every business has to make profit to survive. You could say it has a 'duty' to make money.
Property developers will employ a whole network of trades, they will be buying huge amounts of materials; this is what supports workers and industry. Developers undertake commercial risk as it is underatken at their own expence. The houses will be for locals, or people moving to the area. More houses = more property tax to the authority. More people = more footfall and spend in the town.
Is it not better to infill some of the urban space between existing town development, rather than expanding out in to the real open green space, which is the countryside?
Yes absolutely down with developers and greed because that`s all they`re interested in......money, money and more money.
It would better to look for other means to support a society, rather than obliterating every green field in site. At the rate we`re going there will be nothing left to build on, the UK will resemble a giant car park from Space. We have a duty to preserve what we have left, NOT as you wrote a duty to make money....what a complete load of baloney.
I feel sad that you can only see the money making side of the argument.
Check out the above quote by Harypa, see it all makes sense.
[quote][p][bold]Tinker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osmington4[/bold] wrote: How sad........but inevitable as we all know that "money talks". The start of many more to come housing developments on and around Weymouth all brought about by greed and a desire to ruin every open, green space. At the cost to land that is lost forever only to be bulldozed and tarmaced over......Apalling result.[/p][/quote]Osmington, sounds like you are not a supporter of the capitalist society in which we live? Down with Developers and greed! - well the fact is every business has to make profit to survive. You could say it has a 'duty' to make money. Property developers will employ a whole network of trades, they will be buying huge amounts of materials; this is what supports workers and industry. Developers undertake commercial risk as it is underatken at their own expence. The houses will be for locals, or people moving to the area. More houses = more property tax to the authority. More people = more footfall and spend in the town. Is it not better to infill some of the urban space between existing town development, rather than expanding out in to the real open green space, which is the countryside?[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely down with developers and greed because that`s all they`re interested in......money, money and more money. It would better to look for other means to support a society, rather than obliterating every green field in site. At the rate we`re going there will be nothing left to build on, the UK will resemble a giant car park from Space. We have a duty to preserve what we have left, NOT as you wrote a duty to make money....what a complete load of baloney. I feel sad that you can only see the money making side of the argument. Check out the above quote by Harypa, see it all makes sense. osmington4

1:11pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Caption Sensible says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
What should be kept in mind at all times is that the current hominid population of Weymouth is a little on the heavy side for the entire United Kingdom, according to figures I calculated in the 1970s, which concluded that about 50-60,000 persons would be ecologically acceptable for our little archipelago, and about a million for the whole planet. Two or three years after I arrived at this conclusion, some other scientists publicly stated that, in their opinion, the number of people the land-mass of Gt Britain could reasonably be expected to support, by producing all our own food and not degrading our environment, would be circa 50,000 - slightly less than my own estimate. We neither need, nor WANT, additional people in our town, which is bursting at the seams already. Keep building more houses, and more people will keep flooding in. Politicians are, of course, both stupid and ignorant (greedy, too!) - it's what they do - but one day, when even THEY can see that trashing all our countryside is NOT the answer to our INSANELY-rising population, perhaps we'll see some far-sighted people DEMANDING PCE & E: Population Control, Eugeniks and Euthanasia. To do so will mean behaving like the intelligent mammal we like to claim to be..
You belong in 1930's Nazi Germany.

People like you scare me.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: What should be kept in mind at all times is that the current hominid population of Weymouth is a little on the heavy side for the entire United Kingdom, according to figures I calculated in the 1970s, which concluded that about 50-60,000 persons would be ecologically acceptable for our little archipelago, and about a million for the whole planet. Two or three years after I arrived at this conclusion, some other scientists publicly stated that, in their opinion, the number of people the land-mass of Gt Britain could reasonably be expected to support, by producing all our own food and not degrading our environment, would be circa 50,000 - slightly less than my own estimate. We neither need, nor WANT, additional people in our town, which is bursting at the seams already. Keep building more houses, and more people will keep flooding in. Politicians are, of course, both stupid and ignorant (greedy, too!) - it's what they do - but one day, when even THEY can see that trashing all our countryside is NOT the answer to our INSANELY-rising population, perhaps we'll see some far-sighted people DEMANDING PCE & E: Population Control, Eugeniks and Euthanasia. To do so will mean behaving like the intelligent mammal we like to claim to be..[/p][/quote]You belong in 1930's Nazi Germany. People like you scare me. Caption Sensible

7:30pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
What should be kept in mind at all times is that the current hominid population of Weymouth is a little on the heavy side for the entire United Kingdom, according to figures I calculated in the 1970s, which concluded that about 50-60,000 persons would be ecologically acceptable for our little archipelago, and about a million for the whole planet. Two or three years after I arrived at this conclusion, some other scientists publicly stated that, in their opinion, the number of people the land-mass of Gt Britain could reasonably be expected to support, by producing all our own food and not degrading our environment, would be circa 50,000 - slightly less than my own estimate. We neither need, nor WANT, additional people in our town, which is bursting at the seams already. Keep building more houses, and more people will keep flooding in. Politicians are, of course, both stupid and ignorant (greedy, too!) - it's what they do - but one day, when even THEY can see that trashing all our countryside is NOT the answer to our INSANELY-rising population, perhaps we'll see some far-sighted people DEMANDING PCE & E: Population Control, Eugeniks and Euthanasia. To do so will mean behaving like the intelligent mammal we like to claim to be..
You belong in 1930's Nazi Germany.

People like you scare me.
If you're one of those clods of severely limited intellectual resources, then I suppose we shouldn't be too astonished at your very typical and predictable response!! Every thickie and his uncle will instantly respond "Oh, HITLER thought of that !!" as predictably as if there were a button to push that operated their collective sheeple minds - or maybe that should read "mouths" !! DUMMKOPFS !! No less a personage than Plato thought only the very best genetic specimens should be permitted to breed - and THAT was around 2500 years before onkel Adolf was as much as a glint in grandfather Schickelgruber's eye !! Try to look at things through new eyes, and think for yourself, too !! The point is, ANY naturalist sees that the numbers of our species are DRASTICALLY out of balance with that of Earth's OTHER tenants, and that life on this planet isn't all about US. Since our numbers need seriously reducing, and if governments refuse to accept their responsibilities, then FPDs (Freelance Population Downsizers) will have to do so instead. The only problem with that is that they won't be able to afford the luxury of being selective. The more intelligent and ecologically aware will always support PCE & E. Population Control: you can't meaningfully argue that THAT isn't necessary, unless you're happy to live on an almost artificial planet with NO Wildlife (ie INTERESTING species) surviving at all ?? Remember, five or six thousand years ago, Britain was forested all over. Now that moron of an "Environment Minister", Paterson, thinks even the remaining one or two percent of ancient forest shouldn't be sacrosanct !! Eugeniks: comes from the Greek, and means "to be born well" - no problem with THAT, surely ?? You have the right to be born as near perfect as possible. You should NOT be born requiring eyeglasses, for example, or having other demonstrably inheritable flaws, defects or propensity for cancer or other incapacitating diseases.
Euthanasia: again from Greek, and meaning "to die well." I am in my 73rd year, have an IQ that is midway between "Very Superior Intellect" and "Genius" and have never felt a hankering to add to Earth's burden of "clothed chimps" - maybe there's a link between these two facts ??!! I have also always intended to end my own life, since about my early teens. No sense in dragging things uselessly on to the point where you just lay down and die, like a sick cow in the straw !! So what's to be scared of ??
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: What should be kept in mind at all times is that the current hominid population of Weymouth is a little on the heavy side for the entire United Kingdom, according to figures I calculated in the 1970s, which concluded that about 50-60,000 persons would be ecologically acceptable for our little archipelago, and about a million for the whole planet. Two or three years after I arrived at this conclusion, some other scientists publicly stated that, in their opinion, the number of people the land-mass of Gt Britain could reasonably be expected to support, by producing all our own food and not degrading our environment, would be circa 50,000 - slightly less than my own estimate. We neither need, nor WANT, additional people in our town, which is bursting at the seams already. Keep building more houses, and more people will keep flooding in. Politicians are, of course, both stupid and ignorant (greedy, too!) - it's what they do - but one day, when even THEY can see that trashing all our countryside is NOT the answer to our INSANELY-rising population, perhaps we'll see some far-sighted people DEMANDING PCE & E: Population Control, Eugeniks and Euthanasia. To do so will mean behaving like the intelligent mammal we like to claim to be..[/p][/quote]You belong in 1930's Nazi Germany. People like you scare me.[/p][/quote]If you're one of those clods of severely limited intellectual resources, then I suppose we shouldn't be too astonished at your very typical and predictable response!! Every thickie and his uncle will instantly respond "Oh, HITLER thought of that !!" as predictably as if there were a button to push that operated their collective sheeple minds - or maybe that should read "mouths" !! DUMMKOPFS !! No less a personage than Plato [?427-?347 BCE] thought only the very best genetic specimens should be permitted to breed - and THAT was around 2500 years before onkel Adolf was as much as a glint in grandfather Schickelgruber's eye !! Try to look at things through new eyes, and think for yourself, too !! The point is, ANY naturalist sees that the numbers of our species are DRASTICALLY out of balance with that of Earth's OTHER tenants, and that life on this planet isn't all about US. Since our numbers need seriously reducing, and if governments refuse to accept their responsibilities, then FPDs (Freelance Population Downsizers) will have to do so instead. The only problem with that is that they won't be able to afford the luxury of being selective. The more intelligent and ecologically aware will always support PCE & E. Population Control: you can't meaningfully argue that THAT isn't necessary, unless you're happy to live on an almost artificial planet with NO Wildlife (ie INTERESTING species) surviving at all ?? Remember, five or six thousand years ago, Britain was forested all over. Now that moron of an "Environment Minister", Paterson, thinks even the remaining one or two percent of ancient forest shouldn't be sacrosanct !! Eugeniks: comes from the Greek, and means "to be born well" - no problem with THAT, surely ?? You have the right to be born as near perfect as possible. You should NOT be born requiring eyeglasses, for example, or having other demonstrably inheritable flaws, defects or propensity for cancer or other incapacitating diseases. Euthanasia: again from Greek, and meaning "to die well." I am in my 73rd year, have an IQ that is midway between "Very Superior Intellect" and "Genius" and have never felt a hankering to add to Earth's burden of "clothed chimps" - maybe there's a link between these two facts ??!! I have also always intended to end my own life, since about my early teens. No sense in dragging things uselessly on to the point where you just lay down and die, like a sick cow in the straw !! So what's to be scared of ?? Harpya Orkinus

2:54pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

Why don't you do it now Harpya Orkinus? You are clearly making no contribution to the conservation of the Earth's resources, which, by your reckoning, makes you excess to requirement.
Why don't you do it now Harpya Orkinus? You are clearly making no contribution to the conservation of the Earth's resources, which, by your reckoning, makes you excess to requirement. Bob Goulding

11:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

fixbike says...

my family use those fields for walking our dog so will not be happy to see them go .but i do see the need for more housing unless every man and woman stop reproducing we will all ways need more housing . but i think what should have been done would have been a deal for the house to be built and to save the rest of the open space which is over there. if you go to the top of the fields you can see the paths that everyone uses just the other day there was some kids with a homemade go cart going down the hill where else could you do that and when it snows go over there and see the kids playing. these BIG open spaces are needed within a town not on the edge. but we live in a growing society and houses ARE NEEDED for everyone so there need to be some give and take.
my family use those fields for walking our dog so will not be happy to see them go .but i do see the need for more housing unless every man and woman stop reproducing we will all ways need more housing . but i think what should have been done would have been a deal for the house to be built and to save the rest of the open space which is over there. if you go to the top of the fields you can see the paths that everyone uses just the other day there was some kids with a homemade go cart going down the hill where else could you do that and when it snows go over there and see the kids playing. these BIG open spaces are needed within a town not on the edge. but we live in a growing society and houses ARE NEEDED for everyone so there need to be some give and take. fixbike

11:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Bob Goulding wrote:
Why don't you do it now Harpya Orkinus? You are clearly making no contribution to the conservation of the Earth's resources, which, by your reckoning, makes you excess to requirement.
Oh dear - ANOTHER comment I've heard SO many times before !! I suppose that's what one must expect when discussing matters of planetary importance before an audience of dalits !!
I guess you must be one of the zombies (pretend-Carnivore too, no doubt !!) or sheeple who has never had an original thought in his life. My, my - I'll bet employers just LOVE you - a gift from on high !! If you've had the insight to be able to discern that I despise humanity, but are baffled as to why, it's because there are so many zombies like yourself out there, who can only think of me,me, me and, of course, making mini-me ad infinitum, too.
From about 1952-1959, there was a lovely little haymeadow at the bottom of Beaumont and Weymouth Bay Avenues, where I spent most of my time when I wasn't roaming across Lodmoor, Southdown Hill, Long Copse and Two Mile Copse. SOME bright spark (Weymouth Corporation ??) in their wisdom, destroyed the haymeadow, which we kids called "Hayward's Field," to swamp under yet more housing. Bad idea. VERY BAD IDEA !! If you are going to bring little retards into the world, you MUST respect what they hold dear - and any kid worth the having is BOUND to gravitate towards Nature, or there is a serious defect in cognitive functionality..

THAT was probably where it all began, the tipping point, although I was already becoming disgusted - and angry - at what chimp overpopulation was doing to the planet I love so much. It has now filled me with a deep sadness for the past 62 years, and I doubt a day passes but the mindless destruction is on my mind. Do they no longer teach Natural History in schools these days ?? If so, that would account for the fact that probably 80% of people are still retards !!
As the distinguished Australian philosopher, Professor Peter Singer's greatest contribution to Earth and her children was his book, "Animal Liberation," which inspired Animal Rights campaigners (probably with assistance from his other noted book, "Practical Ethics"), so mine will be "The Fifth Horseman" (whose name is Retribution), if it manages to get into print. If not - well, its key ideas, FPDs and The Treehuggers are already gaining a substantial following around the world. One day, the very mention of The Treehuggers will make big, strong men go shaky at the knees and reach for a bottle of strong drink, the while looking nervously over their shoulders lest any past vandalism against Wildlife and Wilderness has come to the notice of Nature's allies..
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: Why don't you do it now Harpya Orkinus? You are clearly making no contribution to the conservation of the Earth's resources, which, by your reckoning, makes you excess to requirement.[/p][/quote]Oh dear - ANOTHER comment I've heard SO many times before !! I suppose that's what one must expect when discussing matters of planetary importance before an audience of dalits !! I guess you must be one of the zombies (pretend-Carnivore too, no doubt !!) or sheeple who has never had an original thought in his life. My, my - I'll bet employers just LOVE you - a gift from on high !! If you've had the insight to be able to discern that I despise humanity, but are baffled as to why, it's because there are so many zombies like yourself out there, who can only think of me,me, me and, of course, making mini-me ad infinitum, too. From about 1952-1959, there was a lovely little haymeadow at the bottom of Beaumont and Weymouth Bay Avenues, where I spent most of my time when I wasn't roaming across Lodmoor, Southdown Hill, Long Copse and Two Mile Copse. SOME bright spark (Weymouth Corporation ??) in their wisdom, destroyed the haymeadow, which we kids called "Hayward's Field," to swamp under yet more housing. Bad idea. VERY BAD IDEA !! If you are going to bring little retards into the world, you MUST respect what they hold dear - and any kid worth the having is BOUND to gravitate towards Nature, or there is a serious defect in cognitive functionality.. THAT was probably where it all began, the tipping point, although I was already becoming disgusted - and angry - at what chimp overpopulation was doing to the planet I love so much. It has now filled me with a deep sadness for the past 62 years, and I doubt a day passes but the mindless destruction is on my mind. Do they no longer teach Natural History in schools these days ?? If so, that would account for the fact that probably 80% of people are still retards !! As the distinguished Australian philosopher, Professor Peter Singer's greatest contribution to Earth and her children was his book, "Animal Liberation," which inspired Animal Rights campaigners (probably with assistance from his other noted book, "Practical Ethics"), so mine will be "The Fifth Horseman" (whose name is Retribution), if it manages to get into print. If not - well, its key ideas, FPDs and The Treehuggers are already gaining a substantial following around the world. One day, the very mention of The Treehuggers will make big, strong men go shaky at the knees and reach for a bottle of strong drink, the while looking nervously over their shoulders lest any past vandalism against Wildlife and Wilderness has come to the notice of Nature's allies.. Harpya Orkinus

12:04am Fri 24 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

fixbike wrote:
my family use those fields for walking our dog so will not be happy to see them go .but i do see the need for more housing unless every man and woman stop reproducing we will all ways need more housing . but i think what should have been done would have been a deal for the house to be built and to save the rest of the open space which is over there. if you go to the top of the fields you can see the paths that everyone uses just the other day there was some kids with a homemade go cart going down the hill where else could you do that and when it snows go over there and see the kids playing. these BIG open spaces are needed within a town not on the edge. but we live in a growing society and houses ARE NEEDED for everyone so there need to be some give and take.
Nature has been "taken from" in this country for about the past six thousand years - how much MORE do you want ?? Once taken (stolen) not one inch is EVER given back. Can you not see that if we continue as we are, we'll all be living in gigantic skyscrapers like so many Termite mounds. Suicide and mental illness rates will soar, because that's what happens when you're forced away from Nature. There's even a name for the condition - didn't you know ?? It's called "Nature Deficit Disorder." Ancient forest (ie, naturally generated and not artificially planted and selected by chimps in a monoculture of trees, each four meters from the next in all directions) is now down to 2% of its original extent in this country - yet David CaMORON's environment minister says we should not treat it as sacrosanct. Obviously HE does not see woodlands planted by chimps as somehow tainted, sullied, blighted and degraded - odd, that !!

The fields under discussion were, I understand, once known as the "Archery fields," where locals could go and unwind with a little longbow practice - why has THAT right (AND legal requirement !!) somehow been lost ?? The major current use seems to be as a dogs' lavatory, its occasional use by go-karting kids and snowboarders notwithstanding.

Trust me - if the world adopted PCE and E tomorrow, life could only get better for everyone, as the evidence would swiftly demonstrate within a handful of years. DON'T let the tory-tories, tory-socialistas, tory-communistas, tory-republikans or tory-demokrats try to tell you any differently - THEY rely on YOUR stupidity and lack of knowledge about the REAL agenda that's going on behind the scenes to further THEIR selfish aims. Never forget, THEIR bottom line is ££££$$$$ - and to them, NOTHING else matters !!
[quote][p][bold]fixbike[/bold] wrote: my family use those fields for walking our dog so will not be happy to see them go .but i do see the need for more housing unless every man and woman stop reproducing we will all ways need more housing . but i think what should have been done would have been a deal for the house to be built and to save the rest of the open space which is over there. if you go to the top of the fields you can see the paths that everyone uses just the other day there was some kids with a homemade go cart going down the hill where else could you do that and when it snows go over there and see the kids playing. these BIG open spaces are needed within a town not on the edge. but we live in a growing society and houses ARE NEEDED for everyone so there need to be some give and take.[/p][/quote]Nature has been "taken from" in this country for about the past six thousand years - how much MORE do you want ?? Once taken (stolen) not one inch is EVER given back. Can you not see that if we continue as we are, we'll all be living in gigantic skyscrapers like so many Termite mounds. Suicide and mental illness rates will soar, because that's what happens when you're forced away from Nature. There's even a name for the condition - didn't you know ?? It's called "Nature Deficit Disorder." Ancient forest (ie, naturally generated and not artificially planted and selected by chimps in a monoculture of trees, each four meters from the next in all directions) is now down to 2% of its original extent in this country - yet David CaMORON's environment minister says we should not treat it as sacrosanct. Obviously HE does not see woodlands planted by chimps as somehow tainted, sullied, blighted and degraded - odd, that !! The fields under discussion were, I understand, once known as the "Archery fields," where locals could go and unwind with a little longbow practice - why has THAT right (AND legal requirement !!) somehow been lost ?? The major current use seems to be as a dogs' lavatory, its occasional use by go-karting kids and snowboarders notwithstanding. Trust me - if the world adopted PCE and E tomorrow, life could only get better for everyone, as the evidence would swiftly demonstrate within a handful of years. DON'T let the tory-tories, tory-socialistas, tory-communistas, tory-republikans or tory-demokrats try to tell you any differently - THEY rely on YOUR stupidity and lack of knowledge about the REAL agenda that's going on behind the scenes to further THEIR selfish aims. Never forget, THEIR bottom line is ££££$$$$ - and to them, NOTHING else matters !! Harpya Orkinus

12:07pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Bob Goulding wrote:
Why don't you do it now Harpya Orkinus? You are clearly making no contribution to the conservation of the Earth's resources, which, by your reckoning, makes you excess to requirement.
Oh dear - ANOTHER comment I've heard SO many times before !! I suppose that's what one must expect when discussing matters of planetary importance before an audience of dalits !!
I guess you must be one of the zombies (pretend-Carnivore too, no doubt !!) or sheeple who has never had an original thought in his life. My, my - I'll bet employers just LOVE you - a gift from on high !! If you've had the insight to be able to discern that I despise humanity, but are baffled as to why, it's because there are so many zombies like yourself out there, who can only think of me,me, me and, of course, making mini-me ad infinitum, too.
From about 1952-1959, there was a lovely little haymeadow at the bottom of Beaumont and Weymouth Bay Avenues, where I spent most of my time when I wasn't roaming across Lodmoor, Southdown Hill, Long Copse and Two Mile Copse. SOME bright spark (Weymouth Corporation ??) in their wisdom, destroyed the haymeadow, which we kids called "Hayward's Field," to swamp under yet more housing. Bad idea. VERY BAD IDEA !! If you are going to bring little retards into the world, you MUST respect what they hold dear - and any kid worth the having is BOUND to gravitate towards Nature, or there is a serious defect in cognitive functionality..

THAT was probably where it all began, the tipping point, although I was already becoming disgusted - and angry - at what chimp overpopulation was doing to the planet I love so much. It has now filled me with a deep sadness for the past 62 years, and I doubt a day passes but the mindless destruction is on my mind. Do they no longer teach Natural History in schools these days ?? If so, that would account for the fact that probably 80% of people are still retards !!
As the distinguished Australian philosopher, Professor Peter Singer's greatest contribution to Earth and her children was his book, "Animal Liberation," which inspired Animal Rights campaigners (probably with assistance from his other noted book, "Practical Ethics"), so mine will be "The Fifth Horseman" (whose name is Retribution), if it manages to get into print. If not - well, its key ideas, FPDs and The Treehuggers are already gaining a substantial following around the world. One day, the very mention of The Treehuggers will make big, strong men go shaky at the knees and reach for a bottle of strong drink, the while looking nervously over their shoulders lest any past vandalism against Wildlife and Wilderness has come to the notice of Nature's allies..
Dalits? Wrong continent I'm afraid. My IQ is 147 by the way.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: Why don't you do it now Harpya Orkinus? You are clearly making no contribution to the conservation of the Earth's resources, which, by your reckoning, makes you excess to requirement.[/p][/quote]Oh dear - ANOTHER comment I've heard SO many times before !! I suppose that's what one must expect when discussing matters of planetary importance before an audience of dalits !! I guess you must be one of the zombies (pretend-Carnivore too, no doubt !!) or sheeple who has never had an original thought in his life. My, my - I'll bet employers just LOVE you - a gift from on high !! If you've had the insight to be able to discern that I despise humanity, but are baffled as to why, it's because there are so many zombies like yourself out there, who can only think of me,me, me and, of course, making mini-me ad infinitum, too. From about 1952-1959, there was a lovely little haymeadow at the bottom of Beaumont and Weymouth Bay Avenues, where I spent most of my time when I wasn't roaming across Lodmoor, Southdown Hill, Long Copse and Two Mile Copse. SOME bright spark (Weymouth Corporation ??) in their wisdom, destroyed the haymeadow, which we kids called "Hayward's Field," to swamp under yet more housing. Bad idea. VERY BAD IDEA !! If you are going to bring little retards into the world, you MUST respect what they hold dear - and any kid worth the having is BOUND to gravitate towards Nature, or there is a serious defect in cognitive functionality.. THAT was probably where it all began, the tipping point, although I was already becoming disgusted - and angry - at what chimp overpopulation was doing to the planet I love so much. It has now filled me with a deep sadness for the past 62 years, and I doubt a day passes but the mindless destruction is on my mind. Do they no longer teach Natural History in schools these days ?? If so, that would account for the fact that probably 80% of people are still retards !! As the distinguished Australian philosopher, Professor Peter Singer's greatest contribution to Earth and her children was his book, "Animal Liberation," which inspired Animal Rights campaigners (probably with assistance from his other noted book, "Practical Ethics"), so mine will be "The Fifth Horseman" (whose name is Retribution), if it manages to get into print. If not - well, its key ideas, FPDs and The Treehuggers are already gaining a substantial following around the world. One day, the very mention of The Treehuggers will make big, strong men go shaky at the knees and reach for a bottle of strong drink, the while looking nervously over their shoulders lest any past vandalism against Wildlife and Wilderness has come to the notice of Nature's allies..[/p][/quote]Dalits? Wrong continent I'm afraid. My IQ is 147 by the way. Bob Goulding

1:24pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

I kind of like "dalits" as a concise term, preferable, some think, to the earlier label "the untouchables !!" IS it the wrong continent ?? Perhaps I should use the English equivalents of "working class," "lower classes," or "peasants !!"

As for your (not bad !!) IQ - I beat you by 8 !!

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Zs47H_EvS
OA
I kind of like "dalits" as a concise term, preferable, some think, to the earlier label "the untouchables !!" IS it the wrong continent ?? Perhaps I should use the English equivalents of "working class," "lower classes," or "peasants !!" As for your (not bad !!) IQ - I beat you by 8 !! http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Zs47H_EvS OA Harpya Orkinus

3:40pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Bob Goulding says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I kind of like "dalits" as a concise term, preferable, some think, to the earlier label "the untouchables !!" IS it the wrong continent ?? Perhaps I should use the English equivalents of "working class," "lower classes," or "peasants !!"

As for your (not bad !!) IQ - I beat you by 8 !!

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=Zs47H_EvS

OA
Well done. Seems the difference between genius and insanity is a mere 8 points. I will have to be careful not to attempt to improve my score.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I kind of like "dalits" as a concise term, preferable, some think, to the earlier label "the untouchables !!" IS it the wrong continent ?? Perhaps I should use the English equivalents of "working class," "lower classes," or "peasants !!" As for your (not bad !!) IQ - I beat you by 8 !! http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Zs47H_EvS OA[/p][/quote]Well done. Seems the difference between genius and insanity is a mere 8 points. I will have to be careful not to attempt to improve my score. Bob Goulding

7:55pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

If I'm insane, then you may lay the blame SQUARELY at the feet of selfish "breeders," since their Crimes Against Nature have preyed on my mind since the age of about 11 or 12, when I first read about chimp overpopulation. So, you're 8 IQ points below me and Carole Vordermann, and we're both about 5 below the estimated IQ of Albert Einstein, which I understand was 160. There's a British actress, whose name escapes me at the moment, who scores 175 - quite phenomenal - female, of course !!

So, the dumbass masses destroy their country, put livestock through unimaginable HELL in slaughterhouses so that knuckle-dragging, unevolved, soulless, uncaring corpse-munchers can pretend to be true Carnivores by eating meat, cause global warming, think it's OK to kill Other Species (but not THEM !!), often just for the hell of it, pollute the entire planet and cheerfully exterminate hundreds of species - and I'M the insane one, for objecting so vociferously to it ?? Uh-huh - right !!

What was it Einstein said ? Ah, yes: "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits !!"

By the by - until WW2 came along to wreck so many things (PaPAH always said we should never have gone to war with Hitler !!) I think you'll find that all the leading intellectuals AND aristocracy in the UK were overwhelmingly in favor of Eugeniks - for example: Bertrand Russell, TE Lawrence (of Arabia!!), Henry Williamson, George Bernard Shaw to name but a very few !! So why are the unlettered peasants so much in favor of mediocrity - THAT is the question ?? Always QUANTITY before QUALITY with them !!
If I'm insane, then you may lay the blame SQUARELY at the feet of selfish "breeders," since their Crimes Against Nature have preyed on my mind since the age of about 11 or 12, when I first read about chimp overpopulation. So, you're 8 IQ points below me and Carole Vordermann, and we're both about 5 below the estimated IQ of Albert Einstein, which I understand was 160. There's a British actress, whose name escapes me at the moment, who scores 175 - quite phenomenal - female, of course !! So, the dumbass masses destroy their country, put livestock through unimaginable HELL in slaughterhouses so that knuckle-dragging, unevolved, soulless, uncaring corpse-munchers can pretend to be true Carnivores by eating meat, cause global warming, think it's OK to kill Other Species (but not THEM !!), often just for the hell of it, pollute the entire planet and cheerfully exterminate hundreds of species - and I'M the insane one, for objecting so vociferously to it ?? Uh-huh - right !! What was it Einstein said ? Ah, yes: "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits !!" By the by - until WW2 came along to wreck so many things (PaPAH always said we should never have gone to war with Hitler !!) I think you'll find that all the leading intellectuals AND aristocracy in the UK were overwhelmingly in favor of Eugeniks - for example: Bertrand Russell, TE Lawrence (of Arabia!!), Henry Williamson, George Bernard Shaw to name but a very few !! So why are the unlettered peasants so much in favor of mediocrity - THAT is the question ?? Always QUANTITY before QUALITY with them !! Harpya Orkinus

8:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Caption Sensible says...

Harpya Orkinus,

You may have a high IQ but you clearly lack any form of empathy for the human species and are very insulting.

You will of course voluntarily vacate your "chimps" cage so that it can be flattened and returned back to nature?

P.s. You are not the only person with a high IQ around here! Yours is easily matched.
Harpya Orkinus, You may have a high IQ but you clearly lack any form of empathy for the human species and are very insulting. You will of course voluntarily vacate your "chimps" cage so that it can be flattened and returned back to nature? P.s. You are not the only person with a high IQ around here! Yours is easily matched. Caption Sensible

9:08pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Empathy with aberrant chimps - Zero, zilch, nada, nichts, nichto, rien, ingenting. - and THAT is because of my knowledge of them, NOT my IQ !! Which latter, incidentally, could statistically be matched by 700 fellow chimps locally - assuming a population of 70,000 - but exceeding it would take rather more exhaustive searching, I fear !!
Empathy with Nature - absolutely IMMEASURABLE !!
But I tire of this unfruitful discourse - the words "pearls" and "swine" keep coming into my mind. I'm off to Farceybook, to message my contact in S California, advising against attempting to convert. As Longfellow had his character say in "Hiawatha" (cribbed, of course, to some extent, from Elias Lonnrot's "Kalevala" or Land of the Heroes!): "Big words do not smite like warclubs, boastful breath is not a bowstring.."
And on that note, I'll bid you all farewell so you may return to the fond embrace of your spouses - and, of course, your tenth-rate offspring.. :D
Empathy with aberrant chimps - Zero, zilch, nada, nichts, nichto, rien, ingenting. - and THAT is because of my knowledge of them, NOT my IQ !! Which latter, incidentally, could statistically be matched by 700 fellow chimps locally - assuming a population of 70,000 - but exceeding it would take rather more exhaustive searching, I fear !! Empathy with Nature - absolutely IMMEASURABLE !! But I tire of this unfruitful discourse - the words "pearls" and "swine" keep coming into my mind. I'm off to Farceybook, to message my contact in S California, advising against attempting to convert. As Longfellow had his character say in "Hiawatha" (cribbed, of course, to some extent, from Elias Lonnrot's "Kalevala" or Land of the Heroes!): "Big words do not smite like warclubs, boastful breath is not a bowstring.." And on that note, I'll bid you all farewell so you may return to the fond embrace of your spouses - and, of course, your tenth-rate offspring.. :D Harpya Orkinus

12:15am Sat 25 Jan 14

Dellymort says...

I'm going to miss the countryside, and the wildlife, considering there'll be hardly any left in a few years.

But my main take away from this page is Harpya Orkinus' wonderful prose. You are, obviously, a fictional character, no? Thank you for the laughs anyway.
I'm going to miss the countryside, and the wildlife, considering there'll be hardly any left in a few years. But my main take away from this page is Harpya Orkinus' wonderful prose. You are, obviously, a fictional character, no? Thank you for the laughs anyway. Dellymort

12:24pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Caption Sensible says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Empathy with aberrant chimps - Zero, zilch, nada, nichts, nichto, rien, ingenting. - and THAT is because of my knowledge of them, NOT my IQ !! Which latter, incidentally, could statistically be matched by 700 fellow chimps locally - assuming a population of 70,000 - but exceeding it would take rather more exhaustive searching, I fear !!
Empathy with Nature - absolutely IMMEASURABLE !!
But I tire of this unfruitful discourse - the words "pearls" and "swine" keep coming into my mind. I'm off to Farceybook, to message my contact in S California, advising against attempting to convert. As Longfellow had his character say in "Hiawatha" (cribbed, of course, to some extent, from Elias Lonnrot's "Kalevala" or Land of the Heroes!): "Big words do not smite like warclubs, boastful breath is not a bowstring.."
And on that note, I'll bid you all farewell so you may return to the fond embrace of your spouses - and, of course, your tenth-rate offspring.. :D
So, in summary... You believe that because a local developer wishes to legitimately build on a small area of land in Weymouth, 99.9% of the human population should be eradicated (you excluded of course). I can see the logic and reasoning in your argument (not!).
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Empathy with aberrant chimps - Zero, zilch, nada, nichts, nichto, rien, ingenting. - and THAT is because of my knowledge of them, NOT my IQ !! Which latter, incidentally, could statistically be matched by 700 fellow chimps locally - assuming a population of 70,000 - but exceeding it would take rather more exhaustive searching, I fear !! Empathy with Nature - absolutely IMMEASURABLE !! But I tire of this unfruitful discourse - the words "pearls" and "swine" keep coming into my mind. I'm off to Farceybook, to message my contact in S California, advising against attempting to convert. As Longfellow had his character say in "Hiawatha" (cribbed, of course, to some extent, from Elias Lonnrot's "Kalevala" or Land of the Heroes!): "Big words do not smite like warclubs, boastful breath is not a bowstring.." And on that note, I'll bid you all farewell so you may return to the fond embrace of your spouses - and, of course, your tenth-rate offspring.. :D[/p][/quote]So, in summary... You believe that because a local developer wishes to legitimately build on a small area of land in Weymouth, 99.9% of the human population should be eradicated (you excluded of course). I can see the logic and reasoning in your argument (not!). Caption Sensible

3:12pm Sat 25 Jan 14

fixbike says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Empathy with aberrant chimps - Zero, zilch, nada, nichts, nichto, rien, ingenting. - and THAT is because of my knowledge of them, NOT my IQ !! Which latter, incidentally, could statistically be matched by 700 fellow chimps locally - assuming a population of 70,000 - but exceeding it would take rather more exhaustive searching, I fear !!
Empathy with Nature - absolutely IMMEASURABLE !!
But I tire of this unfruitful discourse - the words "pearls" and "swine" keep coming into my mind. I'm off to Farceybook, to message my contact in S California, advising against attempting to convert. As Longfellow had his character say in "Hiawatha" (cribbed, of course, to some extent, from Elias Lonnrot's "Kalevala" or Land of the Heroes!): "Big words do not smite like warclubs, boastful breath is not a bowstring.."
And on that note, I'll bid you all farewell so you may return to the fond embrace of your spouses - and, of course, your tenth-rate offspring.. :D
Harpya Orkinus think you should go and write a few books that no one will read or maybe join the council because more c#''p comes out of your mouth than all theirs put together.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Empathy with aberrant chimps - Zero, zilch, nada, nichts, nichto, rien, ingenting. - and THAT is because of my knowledge of them, NOT my IQ !! Which latter, incidentally, could statistically be matched by 700 fellow chimps locally - assuming a population of 70,000 - but exceeding it would take rather more exhaustive searching, I fear !! Empathy with Nature - absolutely IMMEASURABLE !! But I tire of this unfruitful discourse - the words "pearls" and "swine" keep coming into my mind. I'm off to Farceybook, to message my contact in S California, advising against attempting to convert. As Longfellow had his character say in "Hiawatha" (cribbed, of course, to some extent, from Elias Lonnrot's "Kalevala" or Land of the Heroes!): "Big words do not smite like warclubs, boastful breath is not a bowstring.." And on that note, I'll bid you all farewell so you may return to the fond embrace of your spouses - and, of course, your tenth-rate offspring.. :D[/p][/quote]Harpya Orkinus think you should go and write a few books that no one will read or maybe join the council because more c#''p comes out of your mouth than all theirs put together. fixbike

4:48pm Tue 4 Feb 14

taffyinexile says...

There's plenty of space for man on this planet. We just have to spend the money on areas that are not as pleasant as where we live. As an example Dubai.

However, having said that there is plenty of space on this planet, there just isn't any room in the UK for all those that came here from other countries as equally sustainable, but with less 'free benefits' that this country gives out.

Send back all those that did not/do not have guaranteed employment before they came/come to this country.

Just like Australia did in the seventies and eighties.

We wouldn't need to build all the houses the government claim are required if we stopped all the 'free loaders' entering our little no longer great, but still highly desired country.

Where else would they get the same amount of free benefits, the moment they step onto England's 'hallowed soil'.
There's plenty of space for man on this planet. We just have to spend the money on areas that are not as pleasant as where we live. As an example Dubai. However, having said that there is plenty of space on this planet, there just isn't any room in the UK for all those that came here from other countries as equally sustainable, but with less 'free benefits' that this country gives out. Send back all those that did not/do not have guaranteed employment before they came/come to this country. Just like Australia did in the seventies and eighties. We wouldn't need to build all the houses the government claim are required if we stopped all the 'free loaders' entering our little no longer great, but still highly desired country. Where else would they get the same amount of free benefits, the moment they step onto England's 'hallowed soil'. taffyinexile

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