Badger cull may come to Dorset says policing chief

DEBATE: PCC Martyn Underhill at the forum in Bridport

DEBATE: PCC Martyn Underhill at the forum in Bridport

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A BADGER cull will probably happen in Dorset next year, the man in charge of policing in the county has said.

Dorset’s Police and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill said it is likely it will happen in the county in 2015 following a pilot cull in Somerset and Gloucestershire last year.

A final decision from ministers is expected in a month’s time as it is understood the government is awaiting reports on the pilot schemes.

Dorset was set aside as a reserve site in case the pilot culls could not go ahead.

The scheme came under fire when the cull in both Somerset and Gloucestershire had to be extended after marksmen failed to shoot the target number of animals. Both culls failed to meet their targets.

The controversial culls were ordered to help prevent the spread of bovine TB in cattle.

The National Farmers’ Union (NFU) has warned the disease could ‘break the back’ of the livestock industry in the South West, which is the worst affected region in the country.

The cull is opposed by wildlife groups and campaigners – including Dorset Wildlife Trust which started vaccinating animals on its nature reserve last year to demonstrate it is a safe and humane alternative to badger culling.

Chief executive of the trust Simon Cripps said the fact the pilot culls finished with low numbers of badgers being shot strengthens the need for the government to support alternative methods to culling.

Speaking at a residents’ forum, PCC Martyn Underhill said: “It looks like the badger cull will be coming to Dorset. “There are always two sides to every story and it is certainly very divisive. We will be looking to stay in the middle of that dispute and not take sides.

“The debate on whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant because it's a government law and nothing to do with me. We comply with the law and we don't have a view on it but hopefully we won't have any disorder in Dorset.”

He confirmed the costs of policing any protests would be funded by central government.

Campaigners in Dorset have tried to push for different solutions to badger culling.

Members of the Dorset for Badger and Bovine Welfare, who have been touring the county in their ‘Badger Battle Bus’, say there is support from communities for alternatives to shooting.

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9:04pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Duckorange says...

Because - let's face it - the Somerset badger cull was such a raging success

/sarcasm
Because - let's face it - the Somerset badger cull was such a raging success /sarcasm Duckorange
  • Score: 23

11:47pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Isn't it SPECIESIST to murder Badgers just because they MAY act as vectors of an undesirable malady which may affect yet OTHER species ?? Last time I checked, we didn't have gunmen shooting people from the tropics arriving at our airports because they MAY bring malaria, beri-beri or sleeping sickness - or any of dozens of other lethal contagia - into our country. If it is acceptable to shoot one sentient person, but not another, on the basis of species membership, then this is a discriminatory prejudice which cannot be justified or rationalised on the basis of unadulterated logik. The big Badger murder is therefore illogikal..
Isn't it SPECIESIST to murder Badgers just because they MAY act as vectors of an undesirable malady which may affect yet OTHER species ?? Last time I checked, we didn't have gunmen shooting people from the tropics arriving at our airports because they MAY bring malaria, beri-beri or sleeping sickness - or any of dozens of other lethal contagia - into our country. If it is acceptable to shoot one sentient person, but not another, on the basis of species membership, then this is a discriminatory prejudice which cannot be justified or rationalised on the basis of unadulterated logik. The big Badger murder is therefore illogikal.. Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 19

5:59am Tue 21 Jan 14

ThomasFairfax says...

The Badger cull was a barbaric exercise in the gratuitous killing of animals, which had no justification, scientific or otherwise, when undertaken in Somerset or Gloucestershire or anywhere else.
It was a complete waste of animal life, money, time and resources which only proved that some people, but not all, could use a rifle expertly and some people but not all, could actually hit something. As this "blood sport farming lobby" government backed indulgence was a complete failure in Somerset or Gloucestershire , we can reasonably argue that it will be a complete failure in Dorset.
The only "success" that those in favour of the cull will achieve, is that an as yet unknown number of badgers will have been killed.
The Badger cull was a barbaric exercise in the gratuitous killing of animals, which had no justification, scientific or otherwise, when undertaken in Somerset or Gloucestershire or anywhere else. It was a complete waste of animal life, money, time and resources which only proved that some people, but not all, could use a rifle expertly and some people but not all, could actually hit something. As this "blood sport farming lobby" government backed indulgence was a complete failure in Somerset or Gloucestershire , we can reasonably argue that it will be a complete failure in Dorset. The only "success" that those in favour of the cull will achieve, is that an as yet unknown number of badgers will have been killed. ThomasFairfax
  • Score: 25

11:08am Tue 21 Jan 14

Mcilrae says...

After the 10 year randomised badger culling study and the two disastrous pilot culls in Somerset and Gloucestershire, we have proof that culling is unscientific and unworkable. If the cull does go ahead it will be a purely political move. Google "Dorset for Badger and Bovine Welfare" to find the group's website and social media, come to the next meeting in Dorchester on 5 Feb and together lets make sure we stop the cull for the sake of wildlife, livestock and communities in Dorset.
After the 10 year randomised badger culling study and the two disastrous pilot culls in Somerset and Gloucestershire, we have proof that culling is unscientific and unworkable. If the cull does go ahead it will be a purely political move. Google "Dorset for Badger and Bovine Welfare" to find the group's website and social media, come to the next meeting in Dorchester on 5 Feb and together lets make sure we stop the cull for the sake of wildlife, livestock and communities in Dorset. Mcilrae
  • Score: 27

11:41am Tue 21 Jan 14

arlbergbahn says...

"“The debate on whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant because it's a government law and nothing to do with me. "

Ah yes, the excuse that so many people have used in so many different ways through the ages.
"“The debate on whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant because it's a government law and nothing to do with me. " Ah yes, the excuse that so many people have used in so many different ways through the ages. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 9

11:53am Tue 21 Jan 14

elloello1980 says...

So we are having a cull here, based on a failed cull?!

See you on the frontline!!!
So we are having a cull here, based on a failed cull?! See you on the frontline!!! elloello1980
  • Score: 21

11:54am Tue 21 Jan 14

elloello1980 says...

Mcilrae wrote:
After the 10 year randomised badger culling study and the two disastrous pilot culls in Somerset and Gloucestershire, we have proof that culling is unscientific and unworkable. If the cull does go ahead it will be a purely political move. Google "Dorset for Badger and Bovine Welfare" to find the group's website and social media, come to the next meeting in Dorchester on 5 Feb and together lets make sure we stop the cull for the sake of wildlife, livestock and communities in Dorset.
thanks for the information, see you on the 5th
[quote][p][bold]Mcilrae[/bold] wrote: After the 10 year randomised badger culling study and the two disastrous pilot culls in Somerset and Gloucestershire, we have proof that culling is unscientific and unworkable. If the cull does go ahead it will be a purely political move. Google "Dorset for Badger and Bovine Welfare" to find the group's website and social media, come to the next meeting in Dorchester on 5 Feb and together lets make sure we stop the cull for the sake of wildlife, livestock and communities in Dorset.[/p][/quote]thanks for the information, see you on the 5th elloello1980
  • Score: 12

11:59am Tue 21 Jan 14

Dorset stuff says...

The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief.
The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief. Dorset stuff
  • Score: -28

1:05pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Rabbitman64 says...

elloello1980 wrote:
So we are having a cull here, based on a failed cull?!

See you on the frontline!!!
I will be joining the frontline in doing my best to trying to stop the Tory Murders as well as stopping the idiot Underhill! This could be a way of uniting the Community against Underhill who was elected by less than 10% of the population and has no credibility at all. If you have frustrations about other lousy Tory Policies then join UKuncut !
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: So we are having a cull here, based on a failed cull?! See you on the frontline!!![/p][/quote]I will be joining the frontline in doing my best to trying to stop the Tory Murders as well as stopping the idiot Underhill! This could be a way of uniting the Community against Underhill who was elected by less than 10% of the population and has no credibility at all. If you have frustrations about other lousy Tory Policies then join UKuncut ! Rabbitman64
  • Score: 13

1:46pm Tue 21 Jan 14

boobooweymouth says...

I thought the whole purpose the pilot culls was to determine if they were successful before broadening to other areas. By any definition they have failed, falling far short of targets & costing over £4000 per badger killed.

The policy isn't effective at achieving what it set out to and there are far better ways to be spending the money such as vaccination.

More info at http://blogs.rspca.o
rg.uk/insights/2014/
01/21/the-pilot-badg
er-culls-a-series-of
-unfortunate-events/
#.Ut54GVOnzcs

Mr Underhill is right that this will divide communities and cost a fortune to police. It will also cost the tories a lot of votes. Madness.
I thought the whole purpose the pilot culls was to determine if they were successful before broadening to other areas. By any definition they have failed, falling far short of targets & costing over £4000 per badger killed. The policy isn't effective at achieving what it set out to and there are far better ways to be spending the money such as vaccination. More info at http://blogs.rspca.o rg.uk/insights/2014/ 01/21/the-pilot-badg er-culls-a-series-of -unfortunate-events/ #.Ut54GVOnzcs Mr Underhill is right that this will divide communities and cost a fortune to police. It will also cost the tories a lot of votes. Madness. boobooweymouth
  • Score: 22

2:40pm Tue 21 Jan 14

arlbergbahn says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief.
So effectively the farmers are doing an effective enough job keeping them in check without the need for Government Assassins- er, Marksmen - supported by the Full Majesty of the Law to come blundering in, then?
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief.[/p][/quote]So effectively the farmers are doing an effective enough job keeping them in check without the need for Government Assassins- er, Marksmen - supported by the Full Majesty of the Law to come blundering in, then? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 3

2:43pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Dorset stuff says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief.
So effectively the farmers are doing an effective enough job keeping them in check without the need for Government Assassins- er, Marksmen - supported by the Full Majesty of the Law to come blundering in, then?
Pretty much but this makes it legal and will get rid of more of them and make farming safer.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief.[/p][/quote]So effectively the farmers are doing an effective enough job keeping them in check without the need for Government Assassins- er, Marksmen - supported by the Full Majesty of the Law to come blundering in, then?[/p][/quote]Pretty much but this makes it legal and will get rid of more of them and make farming safer. Dorset stuff
  • Score: -14

5:50pm Tue 21 Jan 14

cosmick says...

Time to stand up for our wildlife.
Time to stand up for our wildlife. cosmick
  • Score: 17

8:00pm Tue 21 Jan 14

rjimmer says...

If conservationists/pre
servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.
If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though. rjimmer
  • Score: -20

9:51pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Tinker2 says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief.
What utter rubbish you talk!
(from; Farmer, Countryman and someone that knows which way is up!)
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: The majority of the badgers you see on the side of the road did not get run over, they were shot by a farmer and put there. It's a common practice and has been going on for years. If I owned a farm with a dairy herd I would do the same. They are far from rare and cause untold misery to farmers. If you do actually hit one in a car they cause a great deal of damage and what they will do to chickens (as a chicken farmer will tell you) is beyond belief.[/p][/quote]What utter rubbish you talk! (from; Farmer, Countryman and someone that knows which way is up!) Tinker2
  • Score: 12

10:45pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

rjimmer wrote:
If conservationists/pre

servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.
We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!"
[quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.[/p][/quote]We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!" Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 9

1:33pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Dorsetdumpling says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
rjimmer wrote: If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.
We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!"
And just what planet are YOU from eh?

As with any apex predator, every badger living sits on a pyramid of the carcasses of other creatures that they have killed and eaten - but I suppose that they don't count in your world as they are for the most part squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy and therefore don't bring pleasure into your life?

Typical bunnyhugger nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.[/p][/quote]We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!"[/p][/quote]And just what planet are YOU from eh? As with any apex predator, every badger living sits on a pyramid of the carcasses of other creatures that they have killed and eaten - but I suppose that they don't count in your world as they are for the most part squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy and therefore don't bring pleasure into your life? Typical bunnyhugger nonsense. Dorsetdumpling
  • Score: -10

2:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

elloello1980 says...

Dorsetdumpling wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
rjimmer wrote: If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.
We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!"
And just what planet are YOU from eh? As with any apex predator, every badger living sits on a pyramid of the carcasses of other creatures that they have killed and eaten - but I suppose that they don't count in your world as they are for the most part squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy and therefore don't bring pleasure into your life? Typical bunnyhugger nonsense.
the difference is, survival and profit
[quote][p][bold]Dorsetdumpling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.[/p][/quote]We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!"[/p][/quote]And just what planet are YOU from eh? As with any apex predator, every badger living sits on a pyramid of the carcasses of other creatures that they have killed and eaten - but I suppose that they don't count in your world as they are for the most part squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy and therefore don't bring pleasure into your life? Typical bunnyhugger nonsense.[/p][/quote]the difference is, survival and profit elloello1980
  • Score: 5

7:15pm Wed 22 Jan 14

BlackWhite2 says...

What are the farmers going to blame when the badgers have all gone and their cattle still have bTB, eh? No doubt they'll attribute the fall in bTB incidence which occurred because they were pressured into adopting stricter biosecurity measures (by the EU) to the badger cull - even though it happened before the cull.
I am immensely disappointed with our farmers for not having accepted the scientists' extensive empirical report on badgers and bTB; now we will all suffer because of their lack of backbone in countering large land-owning vested interests - they & their cattle, our fractured countryside communities, taxpayers, wildlife, our childrens' children ...all for what Prof. Lord Krebs termed "a costly distraction" from really getting to grips with tackling bTB.
What HAVE you done -?
What are the farmers going to blame when the badgers have all gone and their cattle still have bTB, eh? No doubt they'll attribute the fall in bTB incidence which occurred because they were pressured into adopting stricter biosecurity measures (by the EU) to the badger cull - even though it happened before the cull. I am immensely disappointed with our farmers for not having accepted the scientists' extensive empirical report on badgers and bTB; now we will all suffer because of their lack of backbone in countering large land-owning vested interests - they & their cattle, our fractured countryside communities, taxpayers, wildlife, our childrens' children ...all for what Prof. Lord Krebs termed "a costly distraction" from really getting to grips with tackling bTB. What HAVE you done -? BlackWhite2
  • Score: 6

11:24pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Dorsetdumpling wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
rjimmer wrote: If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.
We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!"
And just what planet are YOU from eh?

As with any apex predator, every badger living sits on a pyramid of the carcasses of other creatures that they have killed and eaten - but I suppose that they don't count in your world as they are for the most part squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy and therefore don't bring pleasure into your life?

Typical bunnyhugger nonsense.
H'mmm.. "Squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy" - y.y.y.e.e.e s - not exactly the most scientific description I've ever encountered !! For your information, Badgers eat more Earthworms than anything else, and this is supplemented by cereals, beetles, fruit in autumn and some mammals, particularly young Rabbits dug out of their burrows, according to my reference books. For the record, I have nothing against invertebrates - I was fascinated by Silverfish from an early age, and still have a soft spot for Earwigs, Firebrats and Millipedes - along with a whole host of other arthropods from the microscopic Pseudoscorpions to the Lepidoptera and Odonata/Zygoptera. Also Coleoptera. I've kept a dozen or so species of Scorpions and three species of Rattlesnakes - so a being doesn't have to be cuddly to have someone like myself defending it.
Incidentally, if you think, by your sneering term Bunnyhugger, that I'm a softie, woolly-hatted namaste-merchant, I'm afraid you're confusing me with someone else - I'M the person who founded The Treehuggers (rather in the spirit of The Old Contemptibles, who came into being in response to the German leader's equally sneering comment about Britain's "contemptible little army") and the business of The Treehuggers is administering R and D (Retribution and Deterrence) where it is deemed by the individual to be appropriate. NO organisation, NO cells, NO orders NO membership lists - each person acts autonomously as he or she sees fit, guided solely by the principle that we don't own the Earth, we belong to it, and morally have no more rights than any other species in the Kingdom Animalia....
[quote][p][bold]Dorsetdumpling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rjimmer[/bold] wrote: If conservationists/pre servationists have their way, we will be over-run with vermin. There are much more effective and cheaper ways to do it than shooting, though.[/p][/quote]We ARE overrun with vermin - commonly referred to as "people", or, as I prefer to categorise them: "Arrogant, aberrant, clothed chimpanzees." If you are one of those benighted ones who hold that Other Species have fewer rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness than we chimps do (who dished out the rights in the first place !), then consider it from our own species' point of view: the pleasure that Wildlife brings into our lives is incalculable, making us glad to be alive - whereas the pleasure other people bring to our lives is close to doodley squat !! I rather like that cartoon that's going round, which neatly summarises the facts. The planet Saturn, with a doctor's little headlight mounted on its rings, is examining its patient, planet Earth, and saying in a very grave voice: "I'm very sorry, but I'm afraid you've got humans !!"[/p][/quote]And just what planet are YOU from eh? As with any apex predator, every badger living sits on a pyramid of the carcasses of other creatures that they have killed and eaten - but I suppose that they don't count in your world as they are for the most part squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy and therefore don't bring pleasure into your life? Typical bunnyhugger nonsense.[/p][/quote]H'mmm.. "Squishy, slimy, spiny or stingy" - y.y.y.e.e.e s - not exactly the most scientific description I've ever encountered !! For your information, Badgers eat more Earthworms than anything else, and this is supplemented by cereals, beetles, fruit in autumn and some mammals, particularly young Rabbits dug out of their burrows, according to my reference books. For the record, I have nothing against invertebrates - I was fascinated by Silverfish from an early age, and still have a soft spot for Earwigs, Firebrats and Millipedes - along with a whole host of other arthropods from the microscopic Pseudoscorpions to the Lepidoptera and Odonata/Zygoptera. Also Coleoptera. I've kept a dozen or so species of Scorpions and three species of Rattlesnakes - so a being doesn't have to be cuddly to have someone like myself defending it. Incidentally, if you think, by your sneering term Bunnyhugger, that I'm a softie, woolly-hatted namaste-merchant, I'm afraid you're confusing me with someone else - I'M the person who founded The Treehuggers (rather in the spirit of The Old Contemptibles, who came into being in response to the German leader's equally sneering comment about Britain's "contemptible little army") and the business of The Treehuggers is administering R and D (Retribution and Deterrence) where it is deemed by the individual to be appropriate. NO organisation, NO cells, NO orders NO membership lists - each person acts autonomously as he or she sees fit, guided solely by the principle that we don't own the Earth, we belong to it, and morally have no more rights than any other species in the Kingdom Animalia.... Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

Shame we can't gas some of the upper management at DCC. That would be far more productive.
Shame we can't gas some of the upper management at DCC. That would be far more productive. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Thu 23 Jan 14

WestDorsetLass says...

It just so happens that you can map the pattern of bTB with movements of cattle across the country - which indicates that the greatest vector of bTB is the bovines themselves. See: http://www.ulb.ac.be
/sciences/lubies/off
print/2005GilbertBTB
.pdf

According to DEFRA there is a statutory requirement for farmers to test bovines for TB before moving them, though how this is policed/implemented I don't know. Incidentally, other animals carry bTB, including deer and small mammals. Does this mean that the badger cull is the thin end of the wedge and the government intend to cull the rest of our wildlife?
It just so happens that you can map the pattern of bTB with movements of cattle across the country - which indicates that the greatest vector of bTB is the bovines themselves. See: http://www.ulb.ac.be /sciences/lubies/off print/2005GilbertBTB .pdf According to DEFRA there is a statutory requirement for farmers to test bovines for TB before moving them, though how this is policed/implemented I don't know. Incidentally, other animals carry bTB, including deer and small mammals. Does this mean that the badger cull is the thin end of the wedge and the government intend to cull the rest of our wildlife? WestDorsetLass
  • Score: 4

9:21am Fri 24 Jan 14

MaidofDorset says...

My farmer friend wonders how much disease is spread by the people who walk their dogs through his farm. Do they clean their feet before entering his land to avoid cross contamination from other farms? Do they even bother to worm Fido? Or pack up his mess?. And why do they let their dog dump just where he stands to open the gate?

Why the badger but not the fox/rabbit/owl/hedge
hog/squirrel?
My farmer friend wonders how much disease is spread by the people who walk their dogs through his farm. Do they clean their feet before entering his land to avoid cross contamination from other farms? Do they even bother to worm Fido? Or pack up his mess?. And why do they let their dog dump just where he stands to open the gate? Why the badger but not the fox/rabbit/owl/hedge hog/squirrel? MaidofDorset
  • Score: 5

1:15pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Zs47H_EvS
OA
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Zs47H_EvS OA Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 1

11:36pm Fri 24 Jan 14

EtaoinShrdlu says...

Don't these idiots realise the harm that will be done if badgers are culled? Where will Hall & Woodhouse get the raw material for their excellent Badger Beers? What will happen to the workers? What about the exports? Has anyone thought this through?
Don't these idiots realise the harm that will be done if badgers are culled? Where will Hall & Woodhouse get the raw material for their excellent Badger Beers? What will happen to the workers? What about the exports? Has anyone thought this through? EtaoinShrdlu
  • Score: 4

7:44am Sun 26 Jan 14

xweymuff says...

Maybe its time to cull the Tory scum just like they have been doing to all the unfortunates, since lying their way into power.
The sick and disabled, the poor, gods creatures, all of which are powerless to defend themselves.
Why have we all become so conditioned?
Its time to stand up and be counted.
Maybe its time to cull the Tory scum just like they have been doing to all the unfortunates, since lying their way into power. The sick and disabled, the poor, gods creatures, all of which are powerless to defend themselves. Why have we all become so conditioned? Its time to stand up and be counted. xweymuff
  • Score: 0

9:47am Mon 27 Jan 14

monkeydog says...

There's as much proof that deer spread TB to cattle as there is that badgers do it. Why not cull them? But, then, cattle faeces and urine spread TB to badgers so let's cull the cattle. We can't do that though and it's not because people care more about cattle than badgers or deer and it's not because they are intrinsically more important. It's because they represent profit and that is all that's important. Profit before life.
There's as much proof that deer spread TB to cattle as there is that badgers do it. Why not cull them? But, then, cattle faeces and urine spread TB to badgers so let's cull the cattle. We can't do that though and it's not because people care more about cattle than badgers or deer and it's not because they are intrinsically more important. It's because they represent profit and that is all that's important. Profit before life. monkeydog
  • Score: 1

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