Councillors heckled amid angry scenes at Portland council tax meeting

Dorset Echo: PACKED OUT: People crowded into All Saints Church for the meeting    Picture: GRAHAM HUNT PACKED OUT: People crowded into All Saints Church for the meeting Picture: GRAHAM HUNT

PORTLAND town councillors faced angry residents as they attempted to explain the reasoning behind their decision to hike up the council tax precept.

Around 600 people packed into All Saints Church at Easton last night for the discussion which saw councillors heckled and calls made for them to resign.

The decision to hike up the island precept by 1,000 per cent for a Band D property has caused widespread anger.

It would generate £500,000 for the town council to spend on the island and become more ‘financially independent’ in the wake of local authority cuts.

In response to concern in the community, a proposal is to be put forward at a council meeting next month urging councillors to start all over again with the budget and rescind any earlier decisions made about the precept.

At the meeting last night, Councillor Richard Denton-White told the crowd to ‘shut up’ as he was heckled while explaining that the extra money from the precept could pay for services such as the island caretaker.

But Portland Mayor Les Ames said such services were already paid for through borough council tax.

He said: “I would not agree that the Portland people should pay twice for something they should have of their own right.”

Chairing the meeting, John Ungley, a retired Queen’s Bench Master, threatened to throw people out of the meeting if they did not keep order.

Former councillor John Thorner, who has said he will go to prison rather than pay the increase, called for all the town councillors to resign.

He also presented a petition to the meeting signed by 3,000 people protesting against the precept hike.

Councillor Tim Munro said the move to increase the precept had been in response to a statement by Communities Secretary Eric Pickles that the town council precept could be capped, a decision he said South Dorset MP Richard Drax has since confirmed via email.

Coun Munro added: “If we want things to be done there has to be a payment somewhere.

“We would have liked to do this over a ten-year plan but there was an immediacy to it because that door was about to be shut.”

But borough councillor for Tophill East David Hawkins criticised the town council, saying they were suffering from ‘delusions of grandeur’.

He also said that the Munro family, who hold four seats on the town council, had acted like ‘their own political party’.

And Sandy West, who represents Underhill, said that many people simply could not afford to pay the increase.

Responding to complaints from residents, town councillors admitted there had been poor communication regarding the decision to increase the precept.

Resident Jess Nagel, a former borough mayor, said the lack of consultation had been ‘shameful.’

She told councillors: “You have alienated the whole of Portland because of what you have done.”

Coun Rod Wild said the minutes and agenda of meetings had not been published on the Portland Town Council website due to funding cuts by Weymouth and Portland Borough Council, but added that a ‘skeleton’ website is now being funded by the town council.

He added: “We do want to improve communication.”

Town councillor Andy Matthews admitted the situation ‘should have been handled better’.

He added: “It’s easy to say ‘let’s shut down the town council’ but at some point the borough and county councils will look to someone else to run services and if it is not us, then we will lose those services.”

Councillors will consider a proposal at a meeting on February 5 to start the budget process again.

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10:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

17th Earl of Fortuneswell says...

Non only did Denton-White tell people to shut up, he also dropped in the f-bomb in a church of all places.
Non only did Denton-White tell people to shut up, he also dropped in the f-bomb in a church of all places. 17th Earl of Fortuneswell

10:22pm Mon 27 Jan 14

smilealoft44 says...

The message given at this meeting was clear no above inflation tax rise. I belive all the councillors should resign and stand for re/ election on MAY 22.
Well done all the local public speakers.
Its nice to know that the MUNRO PARTY want to help ERIC PICKELS cut everything and pass the cost on again to locals. Some of who would have no chance of meeting the payments.
As for the chap who said he would have to choose between seeing his granddaughter or pay the tax , yes granddaughter comes first. You are not alone in having to make choices of how your money keeps your head above water.
The message given at this meeting was clear no above inflation tax rise. I belive all the councillors should resign and stand for re/ election on MAY 22. Well done all the local public speakers. Its nice to know that the MUNRO PARTY want to help ERIC PICKELS cut everything and pass the cost on again to locals. Some of who would have no chance of meeting the payments. As for the chap who said he would have to choose between seeing his granddaughter or pay the tax , yes granddaughter comes first. You are not alone in having to make choices of how your money keeps your head above water. smilealoft44

10:26pm Mon 27 Jan 14

DorsetUk2009 says...

17th Earl of Fortuneswell wrote:
Non only did Denton-White tell people to shut up, he also dropped in the f-bomb in a church of all places.
I had the pleasure of attending one of his previous speeches in castletown with a couple of friends and it was like watching "Wembley" from Fraggle Rock, even the shirt matched.
Could do worse than having a council full of Puppets.....oh wait a sec.....
[quote][p][bold]17th Earl of Fortuneswell[/bold] wrote: Non only did Denton-White tell people to shut up, he also dropped in the f-bomb in a church of all places.[/p][/quote]I had the pleasure of attending one of his previous speeches in castletown with a couple of friends and it was like watching "Wembley" from Fraggle Rock, even the shirt matched. Could do worse than having a council full of Puppets.....oh wait a sec..... DorsetUk2009

10:26pm Mon 27 Jan 14

bandit_300 says...

Angry scenes made worse by the complete lack of respect and total arrogance of Denton White who i may add is no gent but a mere gob ****! I cannot put it any more eliquent than that as there were 600+ witnesses who saw it including myself obviously. What i gained from the meeting was the people of Portland are getting made scapegoats to the accountancy system of the borough council i mean as in they set whatever budget they calculate what gets spent and what services go where. Now like most councils they have overspent our parish council sees fit to punish us for the boroughs inadequacies. I understand after listening that wpbc turn on the deaf mode and turn the other cheek and put the onus onto our town council. However why should we be made accountable for something we pay no part in but pay for ?? 12 councillors of which 1 came up with the idea but perhaps every one of them should of done the same and then all could of got put to the community for scrutiny and gauge what is best for us and then ptc would of had an overall better idea.
But we didnt get the chance and as far as i am concerned watching and listening to at least four of them tonight made me squirm with embarrasment thinking that they represent our island!! Now it is clear tonight as i sit here that this town council leaves a lot to be desired and surely must be over hauled with Denton white being chucked off straight away this guy is sick in the swede !! Resembled a drunk shouting like a loon and needed a swift smack in the chin if im honest and if was at the front i could and would of give him an early to sleep night. Everyone knows the feelings regarding Tim Munro and that is for all to see. Rod wild bumbling along and contradicting himself and having to justify his reasons for the tesco thing which normally means a liar trying to squirm himself out of things. R Barton has done good thing s for the island and Andy Matthews doesnt seem that bad and i cannot answer for the others as i did not see or hear them!! Would of been nice if they binned the screen show and got all 12 to speak oh sorry Christopher Robin but perhaps you should of stayed with Winnie cause you do speak a lot of Pooh !! Weird man, not of Portland and dunno who voted you in but they all must of been **** !!
February 5th then when all you present councillors should chuck out this stupid precept rise cause otherwise by Feb 6th this place is going to hang you out to dry i am afraid.
Angry scenes made worse by the complete lack of respect and total arrogance of Denton White who i may add is no gent but a mere gob ****! I cannot put it any more eliquent than that as there were 600+ witnesses who saw it including myself obviously. What i gained from the meeting was the people of Portland are getting made scapegoats to the accountancy system of the borough council i mean as in they set whatever budget they calculate what gets spent and what services go where. Now like most councils they have overspent our parish council sees fit to punish us for the boroughs inadequacies. I understand after listening that wpbc turn on the deaf mode and turn the other cheek and put the onus onto our town council. However why should we be made accountable for something we pay no part in but pay for ?? 12 councillors of which 1 came up with the idea but perhaps every one of them should of done the same and then all could of got put to the community for scrutiny and gauge what is best for us and then ptc would of had an overall better idea. But we didnt get the chance and as far as i am concerned watching and listening to at least four of them tonight made me squirm with embarrasment thinking that they represent our island!! Now it is clear tonight as i sit here that this town council leaves a lot to be desired and surely must be over hauled with Denton white being chucked off straight away this guy is sick in the swede !! Resembled a drunk shouting like a loon and needed a swift smack in the chin if im honest and if was at the front i could and would of give him an early to sleep night. Everyone knows the feelings regarding Tim Munro and that is for all to see. Rod wild bumbling along and contradicting himself and having to justify his reasons for the tesco thing which normally means a liar trying to squirm himself out of things. R Barton has done good thing s for the island and Andy Matthews doesnt seem that bad and i cannot answer for the others as i did not see or hear them!! Would of been nice if they binned the screen show and got all 12 to speak oh sorry Christopher Robin but perhaps you should of stayed with Winnie cause you do speak a lot of Pooh !! Weird man, not of Portland and dunno who voted you in but they all must of been **** !! February 5th then when all you present councillors should chuck out this stupid precept rise cause otherwise by Feb 6th this place is going to hang you out to dry i am afraid. bandit_300

10:32pm Mon 27 Jan 14

captainsea says...

captainsea says...

I have just returned from the meeting tonight and I now definitely think that Portland Town Council are not fit for purpose. The behaviour of Denton-White was that of an out of control child with ADHD. The town clerk is not fully legally qualified yet is expected to be the financially responsible officer. Munro spun his scaremongering stories and I swear poor old Les Ames was close to tears and was prepared to resign. What an arrogant man K Dutheridge is.

All members of the public who took to the floor expressed the feelings of the majority of the Portland public.
captainsea says... I have just returned from the meeting tonight and I now definitely think that Portland Town Council are not fit for purpose. The behaviour of Denton-White was that of an out of control child with ADHD. The town clerk is not fully legally qualified yet is expected to be the financially responsible officer. Munro spun his scaremongering stories and I swear poor old Les Ames was close to tears and was prepared to resign. What an arrogant man K Dutheridge is. All members of the public who took to the floor expressed the feelings of the majority of the Portland public. captainsea

10:37pm Mon 27 Jan 14

doyle52 says...

captainsea wrote:
captainsea says...

I have just returned from the meeting tonight and I now definitely think that Portland Town Council are not fit for purpose. The behaviour of Denton-White was that of an out of control child with ADHD. The town clerk is not fully legally qualified yet is expected to be the financially responsible officer. Munro spun his scaremongering stories and I swear poor old Les Ames was close to tears and was prepared to resign. What an arrogant man K Dutheridge is.

All members of the public who took to the floor expressed the feelings of the majority of the Portland public.
My son has Adhd captainsea and he is better behaved than Denton White ! That guy is a complete kcirp ! Yep Munro trying to scare everyone with the theory they are going to cut the beach road off and leave us to float off and be forgotten by the country ! Yes that Dutheridge fella is one strange arrogant cookie !!
[quote][p][bold]captainsea[/bold] wrote: captainsea says... I have just returned from the meeting tonight and I now definitely think that Portland Town Council are not fit for purpose. The behaviour of Denton-White was that of an out of control child with ADHD. The town clerk is not fully legally qualified yet is expected to be the financially responsible officer. Munro spun his scaremongering stories and I swear poor old Les Ames was close to tears and was prepared to resign. What an arrogant man K Dutheridge is. All members of the public who took to the floor expressed the feelings of the majority of the Portland public.[/p][/quote]My son has Adhd captainsea and he is better behaved than Denton White ! That guy is a complete kcirp ! Yep Munro trying to scare everyone with the theory they are going to cut the beach road off and leave us to float off and be forgotten by the country ! Yes that Dutheridge fella is one strange arrogant cookie !! doyle52

10:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

radiator says...

Firstly well done to the people in the church tonight for their good behavior although feelings were running high.
Thats more I can say for the disgusting behavior of Denton White what a pathetic little man Idont think we need persons like him representing us.Besides references several times about a bit of weed cleaning nothing was really set down on what the propose money would actually be spent
I got the general feeling that certain members should do the honourable thing and resign forthwith.
Firstly well done to the people in the church tonight for their good behavior although feelings were running high. Thats more I can say for the disgusting behavior of Denton White what a pathetic little man Idont think we need persons like him representing us.Besides references several times about a bit of weed cleaning nothing was really set down on what the propose money would actually be spent I got the general feeling that certain members should do the honourable thing and resign forthwith. radiator

10:52pm Mon 27 Jan 14

doyle52 says...

It has taken 40 years since the pudc days to get to this point where things have got worse and not better however we seem stuck in 1974 and go to bed and wake up in 1974 !! Nothing seems to have changed and still wpbc take the **** out of us and pay their top employees huge salaries to run the blessed borough council but the pure inept stance by them infuriates me. But after coming back from this meeting tonight it appears ptc have diluted themselves like a cheap squash really yellow and gives you a puketrid sweet aftertaste that makes you wanna spit ya teeth out ! So cannot for the life of me weigh up who makes me mad the most?? Them that ignores our councillors of 12 Or those who ignore their community of 13,000 + ?? 600 of them were there tonight,3000 signed a petition in a week so in 4 weeks 12,000 could have possibly could have signed that so ptc you have your answer of what to do and the numbers tell you these facts.
However your numbers do not tell us the real facts as they are guessed by a person who is not a accountant neither a fortune teller !! We pay wpbc our council tax and we get a description of what we get for our money but dont get it and have not done for some time.
So what gives us the guarantee that ptc wont do the same?? Simple in life there aint no guarantees !! So Denton White do yourself a favour do some of ya gobbing off to the other councillors and say NO LETS FORGET IT AND SHUT IT !! Hey Wayne Slob !!
It has taken 40 years since the pudc days to get to this point where things have got worse and not better however we seem stuck in 1974 and go to bed and wake up in 1974 !! Nothing seems to have changed and still wpbc take the **** out of us and pay their top employees huge salaries to run the blessed borough council but the pure inept stance by them infuriates me. But after coming back from this meeting tonight it appears ptc have diluted themselves like a cheap squash really yellow and gives you a puketrid sweet aftertaste that makes you wanna spit ya teeth out ! So cannot for the life of me weigh up who makes me mad the most?? Them that ignores our councillors of 12 Or those who ignore their community of 13,000 + ?? 600 of them were there tonight,3000 signed a petition in a week so in 4 weeks 12,000 could have possibly could have signed that so ptc you have your answer of what to do and the numbers tell you these facts. However your numbers do not tell us the real facts as they are guessed by a person who is not a accountant neither a fortune teller !! We pay wpbc our council tax and we get a description of what we get for our money but dont get it and have not done for some time. So what gives us the guarantee that ptc wont do the same?? Simple in life there aint no guarantees !! So Denton White do yourself a favour do some of ya gobbing off to the other councillors and say NO LETS FORGET IT AND SHUT IT !! Hey Wayne Slob !! doyle52

11:12pm Mon 27 Jan 14

peskykat says...

What is an Island Caretaker - is he a waste of money like a Mayor is ?
What is an Island Caretaker - is he a waste of money like a Mayor is ? peskykat

11:12pm Mon 27 Jan 14

banknote says...

Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor?

I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..
Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor? I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on.. banknote

11:34pm Mon 27 Jan 14

yellowhunter13 says...

Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap !
Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap ! yellowhunter13

11:50pm Mon 27 Jan 14

prestonpete says...

Tim, we know you and your family will be reading this. We want the Munro's out of PTC. Please leave. It's our isle, and we made it perfectly clear tonight that we want you to resign. Bring on the telephone calls demanding that he resign now. ! Look out Tim. We're not done yet.
Tim, we know you and your family will be reading this. We want the Munro's out of PTC. Please leave. It's our isle, and we made it perfectly clear tonight that we want you to resign. Bring on the telephone calls demanding that he resign now. ! Look out Tim. We're not done yet. prestonpete

12:05am Tue 28 Jan 14

yellowhunter13 says...

prestonpete wrote:
Tim, we know you and your family will be reading this. We want the Munro's out of PTC. Please leave. It's our isle, and we made it perfectly clear tonight that we want you to resign. Bring on the telephone calls demanding that he resign now. ! Look out Tim. We're not done yet.
I agree but tis just not he who needs to go in fact i feel the first one to go and now is Denton White !!! I have no personal opinion of TimMunro other than he is not the savior of Portland and neither are the others within his family and i have personal experience of Red house but ill leave that there however DW was rude,arrogant,vile, as well as a bad councillor but his performance was tragic so hes first out,second would be Tim for coming up with another poor performance of tom foolery and then would be beagle man wild another creep who noses everywhere is rude when trying to slime his way through various open meetings and get togethers. You live and learn and our lesson for this year is lets start again..
[quote][p][bold]prestonpete[/bold] wrote: Tim, we know you and your family will be reading this. We want the Munro's out of PTC. Please leave. It's our isle, and we made it perfectly clear tonight that we want you to resign. Bring on the telephone calls demanding that he resign now. ! Look out Tim. We're not done yet.[/p][/quote]I agree but tis just not he who needs to go in fact i feel the first one to go and now is Denton White !!! I have no personal opinion of TimMunro other than he is not the savior of Portland and neither are the others within his family and i have personal experience of Red house but ill leave that there however DW was rude,arrogant,vile, as well as a bad councillor but his performance was tragic so hes first out,second would be Tim for coming up with another poor performance of tom foolery and then would be beagle man wild another creep who noses everywhere is rude when trying to slime his way through various open meetings and get togethers. You live and learn and our lesson for this year is lets start again.. yellowhunter13

12:19am Tue 28 Jan 14

eastoner says...

The long and short of it is that you (the council) decide to try and implement 1000% hike in precept whilst a loophole in legislation existed.

There was no definate plan for the funds just an extra £500k that would be useful.

During tonights meeting the existance of the island caretaker was justified in that he did the verges on Portland Bill Road that DCC should do but haven't.

How about PTC do what their supposed to do and give the Isle a louder voice rather than and make the residents pay for poor service from above?

Failing that do what many of the meeting attendees wanted and disband.
The long and short of it is that you (the council) decide to try and implement 1000% hike in precept whilst a loophole in legislation existed. There was no definate plan for the funds just an extra £500k that would be useful. During tonights meeting the existance of the island caretaker was justified in that he did the verges on Portland Bill Road that DCC should do but haven't. How about PTC do what their supposed to do and give the Isle a louder voice rather than and make the residents pay for poor service from above? Failing that do what many of the meeting attendees wanted and disband. eastoner

12:47am Tue 28 Jan 14

Crabber says...

banknote wrote:
Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor?

I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..
Nope mate it was soe one Else that formed the Portland Party a Gentleman called Des Hunt.
Denton-White is an obnoxious little man who now get this when he first campaigned for Council did it on the back of the Green Party , advocating Bus Travel. Now this arrogant little excuse for a man travels everywhere by TAXI leaflet drops in Wyke, Shopping trips to the mainland he even used to travel frome Fortunewell to The Verne Prison & Back when he worked there. Blimey he even has his kids (poor things) taken & Picked up from School by TAXI.
I for one will be calling The Borough Solicitor in 8.5 hours and asking for a Code of Conduct Complaint form, A serving Councillor can be investigated if he has committed a Criminal Offense. Foul & Abusive Language in a Public Place is the offense. The F-Bomb was dropped to TWO Gentlemen who were with there wives & in front of several witness's. The will also be some massive repercussions over Munro's statement Re Richard Drax MP & Eric Pickles MP and the e-mail of confirmation.. Richard Drax MP's P/A was sat in the audience and went outside to call Mr Drax who couldn't attend because of Parliamentary Business, she returned a very determined lady....... Watch for the Press release. Onto what they want to spend OUR money. Swimming Lessons for Children no need to pay my children are grown & have children of their own. I learnt out Ham when I was 6 and mt old man threw me in 5 foot of water and said get to the shore or die. They are also trying to start a Civil War giving the Grove £20K Southwell £20K and Weston £80K. and Underhill £100k yeah like thats going to work, they'll riot on New Road I can see it now . They have no clue who is going to manage the Finances 80% of the Councillors present couldn't manage their dinners. I felt sorry for Cllrs Matthews,Barton ,Bradley & Ames who was warmly applauded on two occasions, these people joined with a few more could run the Isle & Royal Manor of Portland , The others Couldn't run a Bath for Gods sake... Dutheridge is a joke arrogant yes but still a joke
[quote][p][bold]banknote[/bold] wrote: Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor? I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..[/p][/quote]Nope mate it was soe one Else that formed the Portland Party a Gentleman called Des Hunt. Denton-White is an obnoxious little man who now get this when he first campaigned for Council did it on the back of the Green Party , advocating Bus Travel. Now this arrogant little excuse for a man travels everywhere by TAXI leaflet drops in Wyke, Shopping trips to the mainland he even used to travel frome Fortunewell to The Verne Prison & Back when he worked there. Blimey he even has his kids (poor things) taken & Picked up from School by TAXI. I for one will be calling The Borough Solicitor in 8.5 hours and asking for a Code of Conduct Complaint form, A serving Councillor can be investigated if he has committed a Criminal Offense. Foul & Abusive Language in a Public Place is the offense. The F-Bomb was dropped to TWO Gentlemen who were with there wives & in front of several witness's. The will also be some massive repercussions over Munro's statement Re Richard Drax MP & Eric Pickles MP and the e-mail of confirmation.. Richard Drax MP's P/A was sat in the audience and went outside to call Mr Drax who couldn't attend because of Parliamentary Business, she returned a very determined lady....... Watch for the Press release. Onto what they want to spend OUR money. Swimming Lessons for Children no need to pay my children are grown & have children of their own. I learnt out Ham when I was 6 and mt old man threw me in 5 foot of water and said get to the shore or die. They are also trying to start a Civil War giving the Grove £20K Southwell £20K and Weston £80K. and Underhill £100k yeah like thats going to work, they'll riot on New Road I can see it now . They have no clue who is going to manage the Finances 80% of the Councillors present couldn't manage their dinners. I felt sorry for Cllrs Matthews,Barton ,Bradley & Ames who was warmly applauded on two occasions, these people joined with a few more could run the Isle & Royal Manor of Portland , The others Couldn't run a Bath for Gods sake... Dutheridge is a joke arrogant yes but still a joke Crabber

1:13am Tue 28 Jan 14

peterstarr says...

I hope any money raised will not be wasted on portraits of MP's at a cost of £250k per portrait. No doubt you would have read in the past week scores of MP's have had their portraits painted for the aforementioned fee.It may not be relevant but it must be noted that the MPs are renowned for wasting other other peoples cash.Finally most of the mugs of MPs are hardly worthy of a painted portrait.
Happy New Year
Peter Starr
I hope any money raised will not be wasted on portraits of MP's at a cost of £250k per portrait. No doubt you would have read in the past week scores of MP's have had their portraits painted for the aforementioned fee.It may not be relevant but it must be noted that the MPs are renowned for wasting other other peoples cash.Finally most of the mugs of MPs are hardly worthy of a painted portrait. Happy New Year Peter Starr peterstarr

3:33am Tue 28 Jan 14

Under35andout says...

extra money from the precept could pay for services such as the island caretaker what will his job entail lol
extra money from the precept could pay for services such as the island caretaker what will his job entail lol Under35andout

7:25am Tue 28 Jan 14

dark side says...

The Meeting for me last night showed the true feeling how the people of Portland feel about this precept rise and the PTC,They made there point with reasonable calm.especially at time's when they were being shouted at and being told to Shut up.3000 people signed a petition in one week, and with the comment's people made I hope the PTC have taken this in? Up until the meeting I didn't want a Town council, After listening to councillor Mathews, talking about the future of town council's I'm prepared listen and to find out more. Having said that, the way the council has gone about this and the way some councillors have behaved. I don't no if the damage can be reversed? This is sad, because there are some very good councillor's, and the people OF Portland no who they are, and I hope they don't get tarred with the same brush. If the Council is going to survive ,there is a lot of work to do .And if they want to build bridges they must ,talk to the people in the community, Listen listen to them ,especially on a decision like this large precept rice.
There is one bridge I feel is broke beyond repair, There are certain councillors who should not be on the PTC,im not going to name names. You no who you are,You have lost the trust of the people who you represent, And are clearly out of touch with them. You say you want the best for Portland and to take the island forward. This will never happen as long as you are councillors. So for the good of PTC.... RESIGHN!!!!!!
The Meeting for me last night showed the true feeling how the people of Portland feel about this precept rise and the PTC,They made there point with reasonable calm.especially at time's when they were being shouted at and being told to Shut up.3000 people signed a petition in one week, and with the comment's people made I hope the PTC have taken this in? Up until the meeting I didn't want a Town council, After listening to councillor Mathews, talking about the future of town council's I'm prepared listen and to find out more. Having said that, the way the council has gone about this and the way some councillors have behaved. I don't no if the damage can be reversed? This is sad, because there are some very good councillor's, and the people OF Portland no who they are, and I hope they don't get tarred with the same brush. If the Council is going to survive ,there is a lot of work to do .And if they want to build bridges they must ,talk to the people in the community, Listen listen to them ,especially on a decision like this large precept rice. There is one bridge I feel is broke beyond repair, There are certain councillors who should not be on the PTC,im not going to name names. You no who you are,You have lost the trust of the people who you represent, And are clearly out of touch with them. You say you want the best for Portland and to take the island forward. This will never happen as long as you are councillors. So for the good of PTC.... RESIGHN!!!!!! dark side

7:25am Tue 28 Jan 14

islandman says...

I know little or nothing about this, but what I do know is this. If Portland Councilors anticipated this huge rise in CT, howcome they didn't introduce it in the run-up to the Olympics?. Oh I know, it would have given them worldwide bad publicity.
I know little or nothing about this, but what I do know is this. If Portland Councilors anticipated this huge rise in CT, howcome they didn't introduce it in the run-up to the Olympics?. Oh I know, it would have given them worldwide bad publicity. islandman

7:49am Tue 28 Jan 14

southwellman says...

Apart from the fact that none of the council knew what they were going to do with the money raised.. 100000 here 100000 there and if we want flowers then we can have flowers.. Umm people would like to be able to eat first.. What an angry little man DTW is.. We all need to attend the next election and drive this council out!
Apart from the fact that none of the council knew what they were going to do with the money raised.. 100000 here 100000 there and if we want flowers then we can have flowers.. Umm people would like to be able to eat first.. What an angry little man DTW is.. We all need to attend the next election and drive this council out! southwellman

7:56am Tue 28 Jan 14

jamie-c says...

lets knock the bridge down and claim independence..... sack the council and run it as a community by the people for the people
lets knock the bridge down and claim independence..... sack the council and run it as a community by the people for the people jamie-c

8:10am Tue 28 Jan 14

IslandJim1 says...

If people really want to show the Munro/Munro-Prices how they feel about them, without just making alot of noise, stop using Red House Estate Agency, they will get the hint then!
?
If people really want to show the Munro/Munro-Prices how they feel about them, without just making alot of noise, stop using Red House Estate Agency, they will get the hint then! ? IslandJim1

8:11am Tue 28 Jan 14

portland maid says...

Councillor Richard Denton-White, goodness, I watched you tell people to 'go forth and multiply, AND stick your fingers up. IN CHURCH?? Wow, just wow. This is not the behaviour we expect from someone who is supposed to represent Portland. I am stunned that the PTC's friend Mr Ungley threatened that he would make people leave when the audience dared to speak out of turn - he should have floored you for that disgusting unprovoked and out of control display.
As for the chap that wittered on about being poorly and trying to explain how it was right he got on the council through the side door - get knotted. Dunno who you are other than you are a "been here five minutes" foreigner. If you want our respect, go through the proper channels and get 'voted' in.
It seemed to me, to duck under the present loophole our council decided to grab what it could before it was made impossible. There was no solid reasoning for the hike, just that Weymouth Council wasn't completing its duties, and therefore we should pay again to get them done!! Now paying twice is not on the agenda for most people let alone us Portlanders that don't like paying full whack if we can get away with it!! Now, if we could dislocate our Isle from Weymouths grip and have an independent council there may have been a lot more interest, but no, just berks that have ill thought out ideas and have no clue what they are on the council for in the first place!!
As agreed by the people of Portland last night, the Weymouth council should be thoroughly ashamed of their refusal to complete their duties under the council tax, they should be aware they are in the firing line too and there will be recompense when we decide to march on you.
Ps - I vote every time I should, even when these layabouts don't bother giving out leaflets - in that case I go by what I know and the bulk of you aren't worth diddleysquat.
Councillor Richard Denton-White, goodness, I watched you tell people to 'go forth and multiply, AND stick your fingers up. IN CHURCH?? Wow, just wow. This is not the behaviour we expect from someone who is supposed to represent Portland. I am stunned that the PTC's friend Mr Ungley threatened that he would make people leave when the audience dared to speak out of turn - he should have floored you for that disgusting unprovoked and out of control display. As for the chap that wittered on about being poorly and trying to explain how it was right he got on the council through the side door - get knotted. Dunno who you are other than you are a "been here five minutes" foreigner. If you want our respect, go through the proper channels and get 'voted' in. It seemed to me, to duck under the present loophole our council decided to grab what it could before it was made impossible. There was no solid reasoning for the hike, just that Weymouth Council wasn't completing its duties, and therefore we should pay again to get them done!! Now paying twice is not on the agenda for most people let alone us Portlanders that don't like paying full whack if we can get away with it!! Now, if we could dislocate our Isle from Weymouths grip and have an independent council there may have been a lot more interest, but no, just berks that have ill thought out ideas and have no clue what they are on the council for in the first place!! As agreed by the people of Portland last night, the Weymouth council should be thoroughly ashamed of their refusal to complete their duties under the council tax, they should be aware they are in the firing line too and there will be recompense when we decide to march on you. Ps - I vote every time I should, even when these layabouts don't bother giving out leaflets - in that case I go by what I know and the bulk of you aren't worth diddleysquat. portland maid

8:38am Tue 28 Jan 14

chisweller says...

banknote wrote:
Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor?

I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..
Denton white is now a member of the Labour party. Des Hunt led the Portland Party back in the 80's, his idea was to break away from WPBC and join with our more natural neighbours in West Dorset. Denton-White tried to start an outfit called the citizen's party and get the national anthem changed from God Save the Queen to Blake's Jerusalem. Like his 'party his brush with Republicanism didn't last long although he's managed to get on PTC by the back door after repeatedly being rejected by the electorate. Several of the PTC are unelected and are more adept at self publicity than actually getting their hands dirty, they seem to like the moniker more than the job! The call for dissolution of the PTC is long overdue, it's an embarrassment and totally ineffectual, but then so are most of the councillors who represent us in other places. Be gone!
[quote][p][bold]banknote[/bold] wrote: Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor? I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..[/p][/quote]Denton white is now a member of the Labour party. Des Hunt led the Portland Party back in the 80's, his idea was to break away from WPBC and join with our more natural neighbours in West Dorset. Denton-White tried to start an outfit called the citizen's party and get the national anthem changed from God Save the Queen to Blake's Jerusalem. Like his 'party his brush with Republicanism didn't last long although he's managed to get on PTC by the back door after repeatedly being rejected by the electorate. Several of the PTC are unelected and are more adept at self publicity than actually getting their hands dirty, they seem to like the moniker more than the job! The call for dissolution of the PTC is long overdue, it's an embarrassment and totally ineffectual, but then so are most of the councillors who represent us in other places. Be gone! chisweller

8:53am Tue 28 Jan 14

Newground says...

If Munro WERE to resign.... would it be because he wants to spend less time with his family?
If Munro WERE to resign.... would it be because he wants to spend less time with his family? Newground

9:18am Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

While we have three tiers of local government the problem will be the same. Councillors shifting the buck to them over the water or them over the hill. Services are being cut throughout the borough and throughout Dorset. Portland Town Quango's decision to hike their precept by 1000% is solely their decision and isn't justified by service cuts that are affecting everybody in the county.

Yes we can vilify the few councillors that have been singled out as the prime instigators. However, this was a decision by the PTC as a whole. All of the councillors knew this idea was on the agenda and had been discussed. Yet none of them bothered informing us, the electorate and residents, about the bombshell they were about to drop on us. Our opinions should have been sought before the decision was taken They're all responsible for this mess.

So what to do? Get the councillors to resign seems to be the call from most. But what would that achieve? A new election to fill the vacancies and who will stand for that election? That councillors have been elected unopposed or have been co-opted to make up the numbers at the present time doesn't bode well for any new election. Nor is the idea of a council run by the people for the people where "people" means locals only. Don't want to shock too many people but the present PTC is made up of local people.

Unfortunately at present we have to run with what we have or what we vote in next time round. My own thoughts are that local authority organisation in Dorset needs to be looked at as a priority and the whole system shaken up and modified so that we only have one tier of local government. One council tax bill and one place where everybody knew that that is the place where the buck stops.
While we have three tiers of local government the problem will be the same. Councillors shifting the buck to them over the water or them over the hill. Services are being cut throughout the borough and throughout Dorset. Portland Town Quango's decision to hike their precept by 1000% is solely their decision and isn't justified by service cuts that are affecting everybody in the county. Yes we can vilify the few councillors that have been singled out as the prime instigators. However, this was a decision by the PTC as a whole. All of the councillors knew this idea was on the agenda and had been discussed. Yet none of them bothered informing us, the electorate and residents, about the bombshell they were about to drop on us. Our opinions should have been sought before the decision was taken They're all responsible for this mess. So what to do? Get the councillors to resign seems to be the call from most. But what would that achieve? A new election to fill the vacancies and who will stand for that election? That councillors have been elected unopposed or have been co-opted to make up the numbers at the present time doesn't bode well for any new election. Nor is the idea of a council run by the people for the people where "people" means locals only. Don't want to shock too many people but the present PTC is made up of local people. Unfortunately at present we have to run with what we have or what we vote in next time round. My own thoughts are that local authority organisation in Dorset needs to be looked at as a priority and the whole system shaken up and modified so that we only have one tier of local government. One council tax bill and one place where everybody knew that that is the place where the buck stops. Genghis

9:28am Tue 28 Jan 14

notweymouth says...

Interesting reference to the precept in this article:

http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/2262193
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t_up/
Interesting reference to the precept in this article: http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/2262193 .Police_to_investiga te_over_election_bus t_up/ notweymouth

9:32am Tue 28 Jan 14

notweymouth says...

Mr Denton-White alleges that a campaign leaflet distributed to Underhill homes by Coun Munro lost him the election.

He has filed a complaint to Weymouth police, who are carrying out enquiries into the allegation.

The leaflet suggested that if Mr Denton-White were elected council tax payers might see their precept for Portland Town Council increased from £6 to £146 - a claim Mr Denton-White denies.

The leaflet also suggested that Mr Denton-White was not as committed as Mr Munro to saving the Officers Field at Osprey Quay from housing development.

It said: Be clear that the only candidate fighting to save the Officers Field is me.' Mr Denton-White said: "The leaflet might well have made all the difference between winning and losing given the closeness of the result."

Mr Denton-White is now calling for the election to be declared null and void by the Electoral Commission.
Mr Denton-White alleges that a campaign leaflet distributed to Underhill homes by Coun Munro lost him the election. He has filed a complaint to Weymouth police, who are carrying out enquiries into the allegation. The leaflet suggested that if Mr Denton-White were elected council tax payers might see their precept for Portland Town Council increased from £6 to £146 - a claim Mr Denton-White denies. The leaflet also suggested that Mr Denton-White was not as committed as Mr Munro to saving the Officers Field at Osprey Quay from housing development. It said: Be clear that the only candidate fighting to save the Officers Field is me.' Mr Denton-White said: "The leaflet might well have made all the difference between winning and losing given the closeness of the result." Mr Denton-White is now calling for the election to be declared null and void by the Electoral Commission. notweymouth

9:34am Tue 28 Jan 14

Foursite says...

You Rickets Denton White have been given a role to support the people of Portland, We have taken you in from where ever you snuck in from.Your display performing like an uncontrollable half wit was plain to see.You blasphemed in our church thus insulting the Portland community,some who were married there, others have put families to rest from there.For once words fail me for a minute.

You know as do I that your days are numbered and Portland will become a better place when you are gone.Your performance was like that of a Long-ears trapped in the headlights of a Portland People Carrier
There comes a time when all PT Councilors addresses be verified and that they were not purchased or rented through Red-house. Dutheridge you asked for the meeting on Feb 5th to be held in your recently
purchased St Peters Church, you seconded this precept rise which raises the question "were you hoping that the church be given a project grant from the people of Portland?
The whole lot stinks and the net is closing in. any spelling mistakes ? tuff.
You Rickets Denton White have been given a role to support the people of Portland, We have taken you in from where ever you snuck in from.Your display performing like an uncontrollable half wit was plain to see.You blasphemed in our church thus insulting the Portland community,some who were married there, others have put families to rest from there.For once words fail me for a minute. You know as do I that your days are numbered and Portland will become a better place when you are gone.Your performance was like that of a Long-ears trapped in the headlights of a Portland People Carrier There comes a time when all PT Councilors addresses be verified and that they were not purchased or rented through Red-house. Dutheridge you asked for the meeting on Feb 5th to be held in your recently purchased St Peters Church, you seconded this precept rise which raises the question "were you hoping that the church be given a project grant from the people of Portland? The whole lot stinks and the net is closing in. any spelling mistakes ? tuff. Foursite

10:55am Tue 28 Jan 14

ThomasFairfax says...

Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched. ThomasFairfax

11:15am Tue 28 Jan 14

portlandboy says...

Mmm, no return messages from Munro today. What's up with him? Sleeping off a late, heavy one maybe? Seemed to have a lot to say on here last week
Mmm, no return messages from Munro today. What's up with him? Sleeping off a late, heavy one maybe? Seemed to have a lot to say on here last week portlandboy

11:25am Tue 28 Jan 14

February1948 says...

I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised. February1948

12:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

February1948 wrote:
I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered.

What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.
[quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.[/p][/quote]Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered. What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it. Genghis

1:35pm Tue 28 Jan 14

common cence says...

Genghis wrote:
February1948 wrote:
I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered.

What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.
Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old,
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.[/p][/quote]Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered. What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.[/p][/quote]Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old, common cence

1:50pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

common cence wrote:
Genghis wrote:
February1948 wrote:
I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered.

What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.
Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old,
That would make my suggestion of reorganising the various tiers of local government a lot easier. A council with no councillors would be ideal for removal.
[quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.[/p][/quote]Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered. What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.[/p][/quote]Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old,[/p][/quote]That would make my suggestion of reorganising the various tiers of local government a lot easier. A council with no councillors would be ideal for removal. Genghis

2:14pm Tue 28 Jan 14

wurzelbasher says...

yellowhunter13 wrote:
Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap !
Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out!
[quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap ![/p][/quote]Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out! wurzelbasher

2:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

wurzelbasher wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap !
Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out!
But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.
[quote][p][bold]wurzelbasher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap ![/p][/quote]Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out![/p][/quote]But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected. Genghis

2:21pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

common cence wrote:
Genghis wrote:
February1948 wrote:
I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered.

What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.
Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old,
I would call those people cowards.
[quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.[/p][/quote]Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered. What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.[/p][/quote]Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old,[/p][/quote]I would call those people cowards. David_divenghy2

3:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Laadeeda says...

ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
[quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum. Laadeeda

3:50pm Tue 28 Jan 14

yellowhunter13 says...

One councillor who gets red faced and now must be red with embarresment and whos family own red house another councillor who turned the air red with his foul language and now the rest of the council have been left red faced with sore red bottoms!!! Good job Red aint my favourite colour!!
Useless,arrogant,thi
ck,mindless,dim witted..............
One councillor who gets red faced and now must be red with embarresment and whos family own red house another councillor who turned the air red with his foul language and now the rest of the council have been left red faced with sore red bottoms!!! Good job Red aint my favourite colour!! Useless,arrogant,thi ck,mindless,dim witted.............. yellowhunter13

3:53pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
[quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been. David_divenghy2

4:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Laadeeda says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level. Laadeeda

4:07pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Laadeeda wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
Quite the opposite if you knew anything. I am merely applying the same logic you have been in-doctored with and display yourself. For some reason, those like you who use such ignorant terminology , malfunction when it is expressed the other way around.

If you "meant" it to apply to everyone, you would not have used that term. Would you.
[quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.[/p][/quote]Quite the opposite if you knew anything. I am merely applying the same logic you have been in-doctored with and display yourself. For some reason, those like you who use such ignorant terminology , malfunction when it is expressed the other way around. If you "meant" it to apply to everyone, you would not have used that term. Would you. David_divenghy2

4:10pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

Laadeeda wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.
[quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.[/p][/quote]Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed. Genghis

4:15pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Genghis wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.
The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.[/p][/quote]Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.[/p][/quote]The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done. David_divenghy2

4:23pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.
The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.
Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.[/p][/quote]Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.[/p][/quote]The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.[/p][/quote]Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion. Genghis

4:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.
The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.
Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion.
You really don't have the ability to reason do you. The phrase "man up" is no different then saying" women get back in the kitchen" . If you understood the cultural and historical meanings behind both phrases , you would accept that both are inappropriate. However, I suspect however you would like to now muddy the waters of the greater issue rather then accept you are wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.[/p][/quote]Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.[/p][/quote]The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.[/p][/quote]Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion.[/p][/quote]You really don't have the ability to reason do you. The phrase "man up" is no different then saying" women get back in the kitchen" . If you understood the cultural and historical meanings behind both phrases , you would accept that both are inappropriate. However, I suspect however you would like to now muddy the waters of the greater issue rather then accept you are wrong. David_divenghy2

4:28pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Shall we just call it a draw and get on with more important matters?
Shall we just call it a draw and get on with more important matters? David_divenghy2

4:39pm Tue 28 Jan 14

organizedconfusion says...

Denton-White is the one who many years back before the Olympics campaigned to (kill off) all tourism by having a Hotel & Guest House bedroom tax in Wey & Port (oh! we'll just go to Bmth, Swanage or Torquay then!!!) He campaigns on a left wing stance but I think much akin to 50's Russia - how did he manage to hoodwink my neighbours in to voting for him!!! Is it us or them? sometimes it's us - we are more stupid than we think.
Denton-White is the one who many years back before the Olympics campaigned to (kill off) all tourism by having a Hotel & Guest House bedroom tax in Wey & Port (oh! we'll just go to Bmth, Swanage or Torquay then!!!) He campaigns on a left wing stance but I think much akin to 50's Russia - how did he manage to hoodwink my neighbours in to voting for him!!! Is it us or them? sometimes it's us - we are more stupid than we think. organizedconfusion

4:55pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Foursite says...

February1948 wrote:
I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
I think this would come under the lenghtmans scheme that Rickets DW likes to boast about.what he don't say is that they have had this on the table for four years.They were given the money from WPBC (£30,000) they changed their minds and then gave it back !!! What a complete shambles.!
The only necks worth saving are of those that apologised to us.
Knowingly giving false information in order to extort money from the electorate is what I see has taken place.but no doubt their is a loophole to cover their butts somewhere, bye for now.
[quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.[/p][/quote]I think this would come under the lenghtmans scheme that Rickets DW likes to boast about.what he don't say is that they have had this on the table for four years.They were given the money from WPBC (£30,000) they changed their minds and then gave it back !!! What a complete shambles.! The only necks worth saving are of those that apologised to us. Knowingly giving false information in order to extort money from the electorate is what I see has taken place.but no doubt their is a loophole to cover their butts somewhere, bye for now. Foursite

5:04pm Tue 28 Jan 14

IslandJim1 says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.
The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.
Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion.
You really don't have the ability to reason do you. The phrase "man up" is no different then saying" women get back in the kitchen" . If you understood the cultural and historical meanings behind both phrases , you would accept that both are inappropriate. However, I suspect however you would like to now muddy the waters of the greater issue rather then accept you are wrong.
What a loan on wannabe PC drivel. Its a phrase, and not an offensive one, no more so then Buck up, which implies the same thing. If this is the kind of petty verbal jousting you think is worth while please take it else where so people don't have to trawl through it to see the on topic banter! Man up both of you!
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.[/p][/quote]Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.[/p][/quote]The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.[/p][/quote]Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion.[/p][/quote]You really don't have the ability to reason do you. The phrase "man up" is no different then saying" women get back in the kitchen" . If you understood the cultural and historical meanings behind both phrases , you would accept that both are inappropriate. However, I suspect however you would like to now muddy the waters of the greater issue rather then accept you are wrong.[/p][/quote]What a loan on wannabe PC drivel. Its a phrase, and not an offensive one, no more so then Buck up, which implies the same thing. If this is the kind of petty verbal jousting you think is worth while please take it else where so people don't have to trawl through it to see the on topic banter! Man up both of you! IslandJim1

5:25pm Tue 28 Jan 14

manyogie says...

No idea what this is about, however, bl#*day good show people of Portland, nice to see real passion about where you live and how it,s run.
No idea what this is about, however, bl#*day good show people of Portland, nice to see real passion about where you live and how it,s run. manyogie

5:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

IslandJim1 wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Laadeeda wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Councillors heckled !
They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.
At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!!

What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again.

As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song.

Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.
Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.
Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation.

The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.
Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.
The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.
Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion.
You really don't have the ability to reason do you. The phrase "man up" is no different then saying" women get back in the kitchen" . If you understood the cultural and historical meanings behind both phrases , you would accept that both are inappropriate. However, I suspect however you would like to now muddy the waters of the greater issue rather then accept you are wrong.
What a loan on wannabe PC drivel. Its a phrase, and not an offensive one, no more so then Buck up, which implies the same thing. If this is the kind of petty verbal jousting you think is worth while please take it else where so people don't have to trawl through it to see the on topic banter! Man up both of you!
When you can spell it right and understand whats behind it , come back with your debate. Until then lets keep things to what matters. Lets see if you can do either.
[quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Councillors heckled ! They may consider themselves fortunate indeed that they were not lynched.[/p][/quote]At least they weren't fleeced like what they are trying to do to us!!!! What is it we used to say at school. 'Sticks and stones'. Time to man up council. You made a massive **** up. Now take it on the chin - do the honourable thing - resign and let us get on with our lives again. As history has proved time and time again, a good orator - (Munro), has suckered the less intelligent - Wild and co to singing his song. Let democracy show them who rules. The ballot box IS your friend. Let us show what we think at the next referendum.[/p][/quote]Man up? Sorry i believe there is women on there,. I guess they are so useless that they don;t have to "woman up" right? They are as guilty and as crap as the men have been.[/p][/quote]Former member of the PC brigade are we? No wonder politicians have to so literally correct with pedants like yourself picking up on every generalisation. The point being irrespective of there gender, (is that OK with you), they should all, collectively give up their political aspirations as they are unfit to govern at even the most basic level.[/p][/quote]Some of us realised what you meant by the phrase, the councillors of all genders should take responsibility for their actions. I dread to suggest that any investigation into this whole matter will now be whitewashed.[/p][/quote]The term is unacceptable. However I think we all agree on the majority feeling and what needs to be done.[/p][/quote]Unacceptable to you maybe. No doubt human and mankind are as well but I'll leave all that PC stuff to you and others like you. After all diverting on to that has nothing to do with what's the main topic of discussion.[/p][/quote]You really don't have the ability to reason do you. The phrase "man up" is no different then saying" women get back in the kitchen" . If you understood the cultural and historical meanings behind both phrases , you would accept that both are inappropriate. However, I suspect however you would like to now muddy the waters of the greater issue rather then accept you are wrong.[/p][/quote]What a loan on wannabe PC drivel. Its a phrase, and not an offensive one, no more so then Buck up, which implies the same thing. If this is the kind of petty verbal jousting you think is worth while please take it else where so people don't have to trawl through it to see the on topic banter! Man up both of you![/p][/quote]When you can spell it right and understand whats behind it , come back with your debate. Until then lets keep things to what matters. Lets see if you can do either. David_divenghy2

5:39pm Tue 28 Jan 14

yellowhunter13 says...

Genghis wrote:
wurzelbasher wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap !
Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out!
But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.
Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!!
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wurzelbasher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap ![/p][/quote]Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out![/p][/quote]But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.[/p][/quote]Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!! yellowhunter13

5:48pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Genghis says...

yellowhunter13 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
wurzelbasher wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap !
Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out!
But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.
Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!!
I know how you feel. I once had the choice of voting for either Tim Munro or Richard Denton-White. I chose not to vote.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wurzelbasher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap ![/p][/quote]Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out![/p][/quote]But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.[/p][/quote]Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!![/p][/quote]I know how you feel. I once had the choice of voting for either Tim Munro or Richard Denton-White. I chose not to vote. Genghis

6:02pm Tue 28 Jan 14

yellowhunter13 says...

Genghis wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
wurzelbasher wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap !
Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out!
But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.
Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!!
I know how you feel. I once had the choice of voting for either Tim Munro or Richard Denton-White. I chose not to vote.
Yeah what a choice ! I was away when votes last done and locally i voted Mr Kimber who didnt have a vote for this precept so that was me screwed!
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wurzelbasher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap ![/p][/quote]Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out![/p][/quote]But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.[/p][/quote]Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!![/p][/quote]I know how you feel. I once had the choice of voting for either Tim Munro or Richard Denton-White. I chose not to vote.[/p][/quote]Yeah what a choice ! I was away when votes last done and locally i voted Mr Kimber who didnt have a vote for this precept so that was me screwed! yellowhunter13

6:34pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Crabber says...

SIMPLE QUESTION DID HE OR DID HE NOT LIE !!!!! over this e-mail?
Well you can judge for yourself

This is the Govn’s response to PTC’s problem, which I sent to the Town Hall yesterday afternoon.
I asked the clerk to distribute it to each of the 14 cllrs.
I also expressed my own view on the proposed precept rise for the first time, saying that I, too, found the proposal “utterly unreasonable”.
As you can read, Mr Lewis does NOT say that town and parish councils will be capped, but that PTC’s proposed hike could make it likely.
Warm regards,
Richard

Brandon Lewis:
"Every bit of local government needs to do its bit to keep down council tax and help hard-working people with the cost of living. Parish councils have never received central government funding and are self-financing, but such a large increase seems to me to be utterly unreasonable. Incidents like these make the case for council tax referendum protections to be extended to parish councils, and such an extension of direct democracy is something we are considering"



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SIMPLE QUESTION DID HE OR DID HE NOT LIE !!!!! over this e-mail? Well you can judge for yourself This is the Govn’s response to PTC’s problem, which I sent to the Town Hall yesterday afternoon. I asked the clerk to distribute it to each of the 14 cllrs. I also expressed my own view on the proposed precept rise for the first time, saying that I, too, found the proposal “utterly unreasonable”. As you can read, Mr Lewis does NOT say that town and parish councils will be capped, but that PTC’s proposed hike could make it likely. Warm regards, Richard Brandon Lewis: "Every bit of local government needs to do its bit to keep down council tax and help hard-working people with the cost of living. Parish councils have never received central government funding and are self-financing, but such a large increase seems to me to be utterly unreasonable. Incidents like these make the case for council tax referendum protections to be extended to parish councils, and such an extension of direct democracy is something we are considering" ____________________ ____________ UK Parliament Disclaimer: This e-mail is confidential to the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Any unauthorised use, disclosure, or copying is not permitted. This e-mail has been checked for viruses, but no liability is accepted for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Crabber

8:05pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ksmain says...

Crabber wrote:
banknote wrote:
Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor?

I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..
Nope mate it was soe one Else that formed the Portland Party a Gentleman called Des Hunt.
Denton-White is an obnoxious little man who now get this when he first campaigned for Council did it on the back of the Green Party , advocating Bus Travel. Now this arrogant little excuse for a man travels everywhere by TAXI leaflet drops in Wyke, Shopping trips to the mainland he even used to travel frome Fortunewell to The Verne Prison & Back when he worked there. Blimey he even has his kids (poor things) taken & Picked up from School by TAXI.
I for one will be calling The Borough Solicitor in 8.5 hours and asking for a Code of Conduct Complaint form, A serving Councillor can be investigated if he has committed a Criminal Offense. Foul & Abusive Language in a Public Place is the offense. The F-Bomb was dropped to TWO Gentlemen who were with there wives & in front of several witness's. The will also be some massive repercussions over Munro's statement Re Richard Drax MP & Eric Pickles MP and the e-mail of confirmation.. Richard Drax MP's P/A was sat in the audience and went outside to call Mr Drax who couldn't attend because of Parliamentary Business, she returned a very determined lady....... Watch for the Press release. Onto what they want to spend OUR money. Swimming Lessons for Children no need to pay my children are grown & have children of their own. I learnt out Ham when I was 6 and mt old man threw me in 5 foot of water and said get to the shore or die. They are also trying to start a Civil War giving the Grove £20K Southwell £20K and Weston £80K. and Underhill £100k yeah like thats going to work, they'll riot on New Road I can see it now . They have no clue who is going to manage the Finances 80% of the Councillors present couldn't manage their dinners. I felt sorry for Cllrs Matthews,Barton ,Bradley & Ames who was warmly applauded on two occasions, these people joined with a few more could run the Isle & Royal Manor of Portland , The others Couldn't run a Bath for Gods sake... Dutheridge is a joke arrogant yes but still a joke
Rioting on Portland eh? Will that also include looting and stealing? I can imagine that some on there will enjoy that. Aren't you over-reacting at bit over a few quid?
[quote][p][bold]Crabber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banknote[/bold] wrote: Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor? I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..[/p][/quote]Nope mate it was soe one Else that formed the Portland Party a Gentleman called Des Hunt. Denton-White is an obnoxious little man who now get this when he first campaigned for Council did it on the back of the Green Party , advocating Bus Travel. Now this arrogant little excuse for a man travels everywhere by TAXI leaflet drops in Wyke, Shopping trips to the mainland he even used to travel frome Fortunewell to The Verne Prison & Back when he worked there. Blimey he even has his kids (poor things) taken & Picked up from School by TAXI. I for one will be calling The Borough Solicitor in 8.5 hours and asking for a Code of Conduct Complaint form, A serving Councillor can be investigated if he has committed a Criminal Offense. Foul & Abusive Language in a Public Place is the offense. The F-Bomb was dropped to TWO Gentlemen who were with there wives & in front of several witness's. The will also be some massive repercussions over Munro's statement Re Richard Drax MP & Eric Pickles MP and the e-mail of confirmation.. Richard Drax MP's P/A was sat in the audience and went outside to call Mr Drax who couldn't attend because of Parliamentary Business, she returned a very determined lady....... Watch for the Press release. Onto what they want to spend OUR money. Swimming Lessons for Children no need to pay my children are grown & have children of their own. I learnt out Ham when I was 6 and mt old man threw me in 5 foot of water and said get to the shore or die. They are also trying to start a Civil War giving the Grove £20K Southwell £20K and Weston £80K. and Underhill £100k yeah like thats going to work, they'll riot on New Road I can see it now . They have no clue who is going to manage the Finances 80% of the Councillors present couldn't manage their dinners. I felt sorry for Cllrs Matthews,Barton ,Bradley & Ames who was warmly applauded on two occasions, these people joined with a few more could run the Isle & Royal Manor of Portland , The others Couldn't run a Bath for Gods sake... Dutheridge is a joke arrogant yes but still a joke[/p][/quote]Rioting on Portland eh? Will that also include looting and stealing? I can imagine that some on there will enjoy that. Aren't you over-reacting at bit over a few quid? ksmain

8:19pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

ksmain wrote:
Crabber wrote:
banknote wrote:
Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor?

I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..
Nope mate it was soe one Else that formed the Portland Party a Gentleman called Des Hunt.
Denton-White is an obnoxious little man who now get this when he first campaigned for Council did it on the back of the Green Party , advocating Bus Travel. Now this arrogant little excuse for a man travels everywhere by TAXI leaflet drops in Wyke, Shopping trips to the mainland he even used to travel frome Fortunewell to The Verne Prison & Back when he worked there. Blimey he even has his kids (poor things) taken & Picked up from School by TAXI.
I for one will be calling The Borough Solicitor in 8.5 hours and asking for a Code of Conduct Complaint form, A serving Councillor can be investigated if he has committed a Criminal Offense. Foul & Abusive Language in a Public Place is the offense. The F-Bomb was dropped to TWO Gentlemen who were with there wives & in front of several witness's. The will also be some massive repercussions over Munro's statement Re Richard Drax MP & Eric Pickles MP and the e-mail of confirmation.. Richard Drax MP's P/A was sat in the audience and went outside to call Mr Drax who couldn't attend because of Parliamentary Business, she returned a very determined lady....... Watch for the Press release. Onto what they want to spend OUR money. Swimming Lessons for Children no need to pay my children are grown & have children of their own. I learnt out Ham when I was 6 and mt old man threw me in 5 foot of water and said get to the shore or die. They are also trying to start a Civil War giving the Grove £20K Southwell £20K and Weston £80K. and Underhill £100k yeah like thats going to work, they'll riot on New Road I can see it now . They have no clue who is going to manage the Finances 80% of the Councillors present couldn't manage their dinners. I felt sorry for Cllrs Matthews,Barton ,Bradley & Ames who was warmly applauded on two occasions, these people joined with a few more could run the Isle & Royal Manor of Portland , The others Couldn't run a Bath for Gods sake... Dutheridge is a joke arrogant yes but still a joke
Rioting on Portland eh? Will that also include looting and stealing? I can imagine that some on there will enjoy that. Aren't you over-reacting at bit over a few quid?
TROLL ALERT.

Don't feed it.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crabber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banknote[/bold] wrote: Is that the Denton-White who once was a Liberal Democrat candidate and then went on to form his own political party (whatever happened to that?) and now resorts to swearing in church, plus he's not even an elected councillor? I suggest that he and the Munro clan resign, having totally misread the people of Portland. It really is time to stop this local government by one family - plus a foul-mouthed hanger-on..[/p][/quote]Nope mate it was soe one Else that formed the Portland Party a Gentleman called Des Hunt. Denton-White is an obnoxious little man who now get this when he first campaigned for Council did it on the back of the Green Party , advocating Bus Travel. Now this arrogant little excuse for a man travels everywhere by TAXI leaflet drops in Wyke, Shopping trips to the mainland he even used to travel frome Fortunewell to The Verne Prison & Back when he worked there. Blimey he even has his kids (poor things) taken & Picked up from School by TAXI. I for one will be calling The Borough Solicitor in 8.5 hours and asking for a Code of Conduct Complaint form, A serving Councillor can be investigated if he has committed a Criminal Offense. Foul & Abusive Language in a Public Place is the offense. The F-Bomb was dropped to TWO Gentlemen who were with there wives & in front of several witness's. The will also be some massive repercussions over Munro's statement Re Richard Drax MP & Eric Pickles MP and the e-mail of confirmation.. Richard Drax MP's P/A was sat in the audience and went outside to call Mr Drax who couldn't attend because of Parliamentary Business, she returned a very determined lady....... Watch for the Press release. Onto what they want to spend OUR money. Swimming Lessons for Children no need to pay my children are grown & have children of their own. I learnt out Ham when I was 6 and mt old man threw me in 5 foot of water and said get to the shore or die. They are also trying to start a Civil War giving the Grove £20K Southwell £20K and Weston £80K. and Underhill £100k yeah like thats going to work, they'll riot on New Road I can see it now . They have no clue who is going to manage the Finances 80% of the Councillors present couldn't manage their dinners. I felt sorry for Cllrs Matthews,Barton ,Bradley & Ames who was warmly applauded on two occasions, these people joined with a few more could run the Isle & Royal Manor of Portland , The others Couldn't run a Bath for Gods sake... Dutheridge is a joke arrogant yes but still a joke[/p][/quote]Rioting on Portland eh? Will that also include looting and stealing? I can imagine that some on there will enjoy that. Aren't you over-reacting at bit over a few quid?[/p][/quote]TROLL ALERT. Don't feed it. David_divenghy2

8:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Nomalice says...

Well that is that little engagement over and done with. Or is it? Like I said in previous a previous post, every time we turn a stone, something new and more ugly appears.
Personally, I can not see how ANY of the present encumbants can purport to represent this interests of the tax payers of this Island. They have either knowingly, assisted and colluded in an attempt to impose an unjust precept on their electorate. (See Richard Drax's echo statement). Or they have been led, in ignorance, to vote for something that they are not fully conversant with. Those that were absent from the meeting, could be excused, but had ample opportunity to distance themselves in the days before the Easton Meeting,but none came to my notice.
As for the way forward, I do not feel that I can trust any of them and feell,therefor that I am, without representation. The only way that this situation can be rectified, would be for a mass resignation of the present council. Candidates wishing to be elected to a new council could present themselves to the electorate on a ballot paper, which could also include a referendum, as to whether to dispose,completely,w
ith this layer of Local Government.

Well done everyone who created and supported this forum. It is testament to the success of communication and solidarity, both of which is, sadly, lacking within the PTC.
Well that is that little engagement over and done with. Or is it? Like I said in previous a previous post, every time we turn a stone, something new and more ugly appears. Personally, I can not see how ANY of the present encumbants can purport to represent this interests of the tax payers of this Island. They have either knowingly, assisted and colluded in an attempt to impose an unjust precept on their electorate. (See Richard Drax's echo statement). Or they have been led, in ignorance, to vote for something that they are not fully conversant with. Those that were absent from the meeting, could be excused, but had ample opportunity to distance themselves in the days before the Easton Meeting,but none came to my notice. As for the way forward, I do not feel that I can trust any of them and feell,therefor that I am, without representation. The only way that this situation can be rectified, would be for a mass resignation of the present council. Candidates wishing to be elected to a new council could present themselves to the electorate on a ballot paper, which could also include a referendum, as to whether to dispose,completely,w ith this layer of Local Government. Well done everyone who created and supported this forum. It is testament to the success of communication and solidarity, both of which is, sadly, lacking within the PTC. Nomalice

8:24pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Nomalice wrote:
Well that is that little engagement over and done with. Or is it? Like I said in previous a previous post, every time we turn a stone, something new and more ugly appears.
Personally, I can not see how ANY of the present encumbants can purport to represent this interests of the tax payers of this Island. They have either knowingly, assisted and colluded in an attempt to impose an unjust precept on their electorate. (See Richard Drax's echo statement). Or they have been led, in ignorance, to vote for something that they are not fully conversant with. Those that were absent from the meeting, could be excused, but had ample opportunity to distance themselves in the days before the Easton Meeting,but none came to my notice.
As for the way forward, I do not feel that I can trust any of them and feell,therefor that I am, without representation. The only way that this situation can be rectified, would be for a mass resignation of the present council. Candidates wishing to be elected to a new council could present themselves to the electorate on a ballot paper, which could also include a referendum, as to whether to dispose,completely,w

ith this layer of Local Government.

Well done everyone who created and supported this forum. It is testament to the success of communication and solidarity, both of which is, sadly, lacking within the PTC.
Then name yourself and come forward to represent.
[quote][p][bold]Nomalice[/bold] wrote: Well that is that little engagement over and done with. Or is it? Like I said in previous a previous post, every time we turn a stone, something new and more ugly appears. Personally, I can not see how ANY of the present encumbants can purport to represent this interests of the tax payers of this Island. They have either knowingly, assisted and colluded in an attempt to impose an unjust precept on their electorate. (See Richard Drax's echo statement). Or they have been led, in ignorance, to vote for something that they are not fully conversant with. Those that were absent from the meeting, could be excused, but had ample opportunity to distance themselves in the days before the Easton Meeting,but none came to my notice. As for the way forward, I do not feel that I can trust any of them and feell,therefor that I am, without representation. The only way that this situation can be rectified, would be for a mass resignation of the present council. Candidates wishing to be elected to a new council could present themselves to the electorate on a ballot paper, which could also include a referendum, as to whether to dispose,completely,w ith this layer of Local Government. Well done everyone who created and supported this forum. It is testament to the success of communication and solidarity, both of which is, sadly, lacking within the PTC.[/p][/quote]Then name yourself and come forward to represent. David_divenghy2

10:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

John New says...

Genghis wrote:
February1948 wrote:
I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered.

What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.
Unitary status was an option under discussion a few years ago (can't remember exact date but either late 90s or early 00s) and after all the due process consultation etc, for some reason we got lumbered with the status quo but Bournemouth and Poole got hived off for unitaries. No idea why, wilt shot got unitary at that same time, one Council with one policy makes most sense to me.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.[/p][/quote]Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered. What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.[/p][/quote]Unitary status was an option under discussion a few years ago (can't remember exact date but either late 90s or early 00s) and after all the due process consultation etc, for some reason we got lumbered with the status quo but Bournemouth and Poole got hived off for unitaries. No idea why, wilt shot got unitary at that same time, one Council with one policy makes most sense to me. John New

10:38pm Tue 28 Jan 14

John New says...

Genghis wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
wurzelbasher wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap !
Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out!
But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.
Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!!
I know how you feel. I once had the choice of voting for either Tim Munro or Richard Denton-White. I chose not to vote.
True democracies include a "none of the above" option which the UK doesn't, nor do we have a secret vote of MPs in London.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wurzelbasher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: Denton White the scumbag !! How dare he swear in church! Now if there is a god please could he make this turd of a creature mute overnight !! Well done to all the guys that stood up and spoke excluding the councillors as i have heard enough of them for the time being. As long as some of them remain i will not be voting again as i have fallen into their lie trap when they last went round at voting time this i will not be falling into that trap ![/p][/quote]Everyone should vote and the next Election will be a good time to help to vote these people out![/p][/quote]But you need somebody to vote for. If at the next election the only people that stand are the same ones as usual then, as usual, they will be the ones elected.[/p][/quote]Thanks genghis that is the point i was trying to get across as if they were left i wouldnt bother as total waste of space!![/p][/quote]I know how you feel. I once had the choice of voting for either Tim Munro or Richard Denton-White. I chose not to vote.[/p][/quote]True democracies include a "none of the above" option which the UK doesn't, nor do we have a secret vote of MPs in London. John New

11:16pm Tue 28 Jan 14

jerryhepburn says...

I stood as a candidate on portland a few years ago,for the conservative party alongside BUTCH NASH (RIP), i was unsucsesfull and never thanked the portland folk who did vote for me.For this i do apollagise and thank you all.
However, after reading these comments and hearing of the distress the portland town councillors have caused it makes me feel that i should have and needed to put a lot more effort in.
I remember chiswell ,abundent with shops, pubs and divers, not because of the navy, but because of the great diving off of chiswell beach, what happened to them?.i heard someone complained that they were getting changed in public view so put an end to it, why not provide facilities for this welcome sport?.why isnt chiswell still abundent like st ives?.
Easton is a beautifull square, with a park and flowerbeds, why is the portland market not held there?(buses do run from the hights to easton to solve parking problems), rather than the windswept hights?. why is portland so under advertised for tourism?,,This island is stunning and it deserves more from its representatives and remember,People bring communities together not councils..And the people of portland show how they can come together from the beach clean after the recent storms.
I live at the top of tillycombe road, and for the last six or so years have had to cut the grass,dig out the drains and clear fly tipping from the rear car park just to help make this area look better, not because i have been asked to, but because I wanted to, I have also uncovered a set of steps buried for more than twenty years going from verne road to the top bank.
I was'nt asked to,I did it because I wanted to.
No one formed a committee to for me to do this,I did it because I care about were I live.
I was born here as many of you reading this were, perhaps its time to get rid of these portland town councillors who it seems have other interests on their agenda, but how many of you are willing to clean up some of your own back yard, AND very carefully vote in, a person or persons who work for us,and not us for them?.We need to ask more questions about the candidates intentions and look more closely at their local interests. Jerry Hepburn.
I stood as a candidate on portland a few years ago,for the conservative party alongside BUTCH NASH (RIP), i was unsucsesfull and never thanked the portland folk who did vote for me.For this i do apollagise and thank you all. However, after reading these comments and hearing of the distress the portland town councillors have caused it makes me feel that i should have and needed to put a lot more effort in. I remember chiswell ,abundent with shops, pubs and divers, not because of the navy, but because of the great diving off of chiswell beach, what happened to them?.i heard someone complained that they were getting changed in public view so put an end to it, why not provide facilities for this welcome sport?.why isnt chiswell still abundent like st ives?. Easton is a beautifull square, with a park and flowerbeds, why is the portland market not held there?(buses do run from the hights to easton to solve parking problems), rather than the windswept hights?. why is portland so under advertised for tourism?,,This island is stunning and it deserves more from its representatives and remember,People bring communities together not councils..And the people of portland show how they can come together from the beach clean after the recent storms. I live at the top of tillycombe road, and for the last six or so years have had to cut the grass,dig out the drains and clear fly tipping from the rear car park just to help make this area look better, not because i have been asked to, but because I wanted to, I have also uncovered a set of steps buried for more than twenty years going from verne road to the top bank. I was'nt asked to,I did it because I wanted to. No one formed a committee to for me to do this,I did it because I care about were I live. I was born here as many of you reading this were, perhaps its time to get rid of these portland town councillors who it seems have other interests on their agenda, but how many of you are willing to clean up some of your own back yard, AND very carefully vote in, a person or persons who work for us,and not us for them?.We need to ask more questions about the candidates intentions and look more closely at their local interests. Jerry Hepburn. jerryhepburn

9:12am Wed 29 Jan 14

smilealoft44 says...

Jerry , stand again as an independant, no ties with other political partys and work for the good of PORTLAND. Now jusy find another 12 / 13 candidates.
Jerry , stand again as an independant, no ties with other political partys and work for the good of PORTLAND. Now jusy find another 12 / 13 candidates. smilealoft44

11:23am Wed 29 Jan 14

February1948 says...

Genghis wrote:
common cence wrote:
Genghis wrote:
February1948 wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.
Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered. What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.
Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old,
That would make my suggestion of reorganising the various tiers of local government a lot easier. A council with no councillors would be ideal for removal.
No, by real people I meant those who quietly go about their business, look after their neighbours, keep their immediate area clean and tidy and have no agenda of their own, and don't particularly want to be in the public eye. They are by no means "do gooders" and would probably make brilliant councillors but are usually "behind the scenes" people who would shy away from confrontational meetings such as the one under discussion. In other words, "island caretakers"!
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: I'm a Portlander by marriage and love the island. Can't wait to retire back to the family roots but may I ask exactly how much, per year, the Band D Council Tax will be after the 1000% increase? The islanders certainly have a fantastic sense of community and I always feel at home when I visit but I have been taken aback at the apparent arrogance of the Councillors and agree that it's time they all resigned and put some real people in control, people who aren't as quite remote from reality as those on the Council seem to be. As for an island caretaker - the people of Portland seem to caretake it very well themselves and I'm sure a rota of volunteer verge tidiers could be organised.[/p][/quote]Again there's the argument about getting the current councillors to resign and putting "real people" in control. You may agree or disagree with the current councillors but regardless they are real people. By real people do you mean the idealistic vision, often run out in the comments section, of those mythical beings with the wisdom of Solomon and a burning passion for all things Portland who wouldn't let the island get used so badly by the evil councillors? If so where were they? There have been plenty of unfilled vacancies on the PTC and none of them have ever stepped forward and offered themselves for election. That says to me that these ideal doers of good and protectors of Portland either don't exist or they just aren't that bothered. What we and the rest of Dorset need is a total reform of local government. One tier of local authority will suffice and let's scrap the rest of the talk shops. In particular let's scrap the quangos that think they can fund their grandiose schemes by dipping into our pockets whenever they feel like it.[/p][/quote]Why normal portland people dont put there name forward for p.t.c. is they dont want to be tared with the same brush as most of them all ready on there , What we need is for all that voted for the £150 is to leave and not stand again until they are 100 yrs old,[/p][/quote]That would make my suggestion of reorganising the various tiers of local government a lot easier. A council with no councillors would be ideal for removal.[/p][/quote]No, by real people I meant those who quietly go about their business, look after their neighbours, keep their immediate area clean and tidy and have no agenda of their own, and don't particularly want to be in the public eye. They are by no means "do gooders" and would probably make brilliant councillors but are usually "behind the scenes" people who would shy away from confrontational meetings such as the one under discussion. In other words, "island caretakers"! February1948

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