Portland's council tax precept to be set again after community uproar

Portland's council tax precept to be set again after community uproar

ANGRY RESIDENTS: A packed council meeting earlier this week

PROPOSAL: Tim Munro

First published in News by

UNDER fire Portland councillors are due to start setting the island’s council tax precept again after a community backlash.

All Saints Church at Easton, which was the venue for a fiery public meeting attended by more than 600 people earlier this week, has been chosen again to host a meeting next Wednesday.

This time it is for a town council budget setting meeting as members come together amid growing anger over an earlier decision to hike up the island precept by 1,000 per cent for a Band D property.

The town council has been under immense pressure to rethink the decision as residents revolt against the small authority.

There were angry scenes at the public meeting as councillors were heckled and calls were made for them to resign.

Local Government Minister Brandon Lewis waded into the debate, describing the increase as ‘utterly unreasonable.’ A petition containing more than 3,000 signatures urging councillors to reconsider and set a ‘fair’ precept will be officially presented to the meeting.

In a bid to appease residents, it has been proposed the council scrap decisions made about the budget and precept in the last couple of months and start again with a clean sheet.

Councillor Tim Munro, who led the original proposal to hike up the precept to get more money for the island in the wake of local authority cuts, will put forward the special resolution to rescind earlier decisions.

He admitted this week the council had not engaged with the community or communicated its message effectively and this was a way of correcting things.

Councillors will then decide the new precept. Coun Ray Nowak will suggest it is set at 2 per cent which would take a Band D from £14.73 to £15.02.

Coun Nowak said he had proposed a two per cent increase on the basis that this is the inflation figure that borough and county councils have to limit their increase in council tax.

He said a low increase would demonstrate that the town council has listened to the community.

Councillors Les Ames, Andy Matthews and Rachel Barton will also urge councillors to consider their proposal to increase the bill for a Band D to £21 a year, an increase of 42.6 per cent. This would give a precept of £72,305.

The three councillors said limiting the rise to a two per cent rise wouldn’t be enough to move the council forward to prepare for changes in the public sector.

The trio said increasing it to the amount they have suggested would ensure the council maintains its present progress including carrying on with the island caretaker and the Neighbourhood Plan, as well as delivering a ‘competent, accountable council.’ The meeting is at All Saints Church, Easton at 7pm on Wednesday, February 5.

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10:15am Sat 1 Feb 14

common cence says...

No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock, common cence
  • Score: 12

10:17am Sat 1 Feb 14

Foursite says...

For many years whilst working on the mainland I have been the butt of many (jokes) because of my Portland heritage. whether I have a tail,webbed feet or even if my brother is my father.I did not realise this sort of thing was still going on.I am absolutely disgusted by Tim Munros response to Ray Nowaks email.There is no room for this sort of language from any PTC councillor whether they were born on Portland or not.PTC are being influenced by this sort of racist view by a man who once worked on the mainland representing Portland @ WPBC and DCC.I am Portland born and bred and welcome anyone living on Portland who is eligible to stand for council if as long as they have the best interest of Portland and all of its people at heart.The new neighbourhood plan is so vital to the people of Portland to express their concernes,and let the plan know what we want for the future
A 50% increase would give us this and I support it. £7 a year that is 14 copies of this paper.and that will give us a lot more power than we presently have. Please get behind it.Foursite
For many years whilst working on the mainland I have been the butt of many (jokes) because of my Portland heritage. whether I have a tail,webbed feet or even if my brother is my father.I did not realise this sort of thing was still going on.I am absolutely disgusted by Tim Munros response to Ray Nowaks email.There is no room for this sort of language from any PTC councillor whether they were born on Portland or not.PTC are being influenced by this sort of racist view by a man who once worked on the mainland representing Portland @ WPBC and DCC.I am Portland born and bred and welcome anyone living on Portland who is eligible to stand for council if as long as they have the best interest of Portland and all of its people at heart.The new neighbourhood plan is so vital to the people of Portland to express their concernes,and let the plan know what we want for the future A 50% increase would give us this and I support it. £7 a year that is 14 copies of this paper.and that will give us a lot more power than we presently have. Please get behind it.Foursite Foursite
  • Score: 28

10:21am Sat 1 Feb 14

chesil beach says...

No increase why pay twice , Get rid of P.T.C.
No increase why pay twice , Get rid of P.T.C. chesil beach
  • Score: 4

10:53am Sat 1 Feb 14

Wilbraham says...

Neighbourhood plan with no powers to implement it. Where was Officers field in the plan ?
I've seen it all before it just gives a few people something to do for a few months. Let's have a 0 precept and everyone works to improve Portland as several community groups do already.
Neighbourhood plan with no powers to implement it. Where was Officers field in the plan ? I've seen it all before it just gives a few people something to do for a few months. Let's have a 0 precept and everyone works to improve Portland as several community groups do already. Wilbraham
  • Score: 9

11:13am Sat 1 Feb 14

notweymouth says...

PTC = Pay Twice Council
PTC = Pay Twice Council notweymouth
  • Score: 8

11:42am Sat 1 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

If they think this shows they have "listened" they must be more arrogant than anyone though. They didn't "listen" they was **** well told!

If they are "listening" the Munro's will be out.
If they think this shows they have "listened" they must be more arrogant than anyone though. They didn't "listen" they was **** well told! If they are "listening" the Munro's will be out. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 6

11:46am Sat 1 Feb 14

minesascotch says...

Trying to hit the pockets of Portland people Mr Monro was not a good Idea maybe now its time for the Islanders to hit yours after all there are many other estate agency offices one could use.
Trying to hit the pockets of Portland people Mr Monro was not a good Idea maybe now its time for the Islanders to hit yours after all there are many other estate agency offices one could use. minesascotch
  • Score: 5

2:18pm Sat 1 Feb 14

radiator says...

I do hope that they get the PA system sorted out this time as the last meeting was reminiscent of an episode of the wheel tappers and shunters club, come to think of it that program was hosted by a comic.
It doesnt look like Munro and his cartel look like resigning so does any one know how they can be legally thrown out as I reckon he still has aspirations to be mayor and I dont think the good people of Portland wants some one like him in office.
I do hope that they get the PA system sorted out this time as the last meeting was reminiscent of an episode of the wheel tappers and shunters club, come to think of it that program was hosted by a comic. It doesnt look like Munro and his cartel look like resigning so does any one know how they can be legally thrown out as I reckon he still has aspirations to be mayor and I dont think the good people of Portland wants some one like him in office. radiator
  • Score: 5

2:58pm Sat 1 Feb 14

shy talk says...

Go to www.portlanders.co.u
k and click on Portland Town Council proposal leaflet. Sums up Portlander’s are paying twice for services.
Go to www.portlanders.co.u k and click on Portland Town Council proposal leaflet. Sums up Portlander’s are paying twice for services. shy talk
  • Score: 0

3:03pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Genghis says...

Sorry, no increase should be necessary or if it is, it shouldn't be any more than the rate of inflation. The lesson that should have been taken from this fiasco is that the more councils we have the more of our money they want for their little, and costly, schemes.

We don't need three tiers of local government. We definitely don't need a quango like PTC who just want to carry on with their plans regardless. Wake up councillors! Most of us cannot afford to go on endlessly supplying funds to every little junta in the county. Reform local government and stop the unnecessary spending.
Sorry, no increase should be necessary or if it is, it shouldn't be any more than the rate of inflation. The lesson that should have been taken from this fiasco is that the more councils we have the more of our money they want for their little, and costly, schemes. We don't need three tiers of local government. We definitely don't need a quango like PTC who just want to carry on with their plans regardless. Wake up councillors! Most of us cannot afford to go on endlessly supplying funds to every little junta in the county. Reform local government and stop the unnecessary spending. Genghis
  • Score: 3

3:52pm Sat 1 Feb 14

ksmain says...

common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
[quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it. ksmain
  • Score: -2

4:01pm Sat 1 Feb 14

common cence says...

There is a chance not to be missed , Take the MUNROES and THE DENTON/ WHITE bloke and a couple more to be the first to use the new portland illegal immigiation centre (the verne) There would be plenty of locals coming forward to drive them to ANY airport and even pay there fare to get RID,
There is a chance not to be missed , Take the MUNROES and THE DENTON/ WHITE bloke and a couple more to be the first to use the new portland illegal immigiation centre (the verne) There would be plenty of locals coming forward to drive them to ANY airport and even pay there fare to get RID, common cence
  • Score: 0

4:04pm Sat 1 Feb 14

ksmain says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
If they think this shows they have "listened" they must be more arrogant than anyone though. They didn't "listen" they was **** well told!

If they are "listening" the Munro's will be out.
The hilarious thing is that you guys voted them in - didn't you?
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: If they think this shows they have "listened" they must be more arrogant than anyone though. They didn't "listen" they was **** well told! If they are "listening" the Munro's will be out.[/p][/quote]The hilarious thing is that you guys voted them in - didn't you? ksmain
  • Score: -1

4:12pm Sat 1 Feb 14

yellowhunter13 says...

ksmain wrote:
common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up.
A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool !
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.[/p][/quote]You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up. A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool ! yellowhunter13
  • Score: 3

4:13pm Sat 1 Feb 14

common cence says...

ksmain wrote:
common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
You are right , Weymouth should not pay, But weymouth and portland b/c should keep the place up together , The same as they should for littlemore/ westham / wyke / The only place that gets looked after is the seafront / beach / and town area/ Now we have to pay for the harbour for the select few rich of the town, No one is asking weymouth to pay for portland council and right again SCRAP it, We want our fair share of weymouth and portland b/c
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.[/p][/quote]You are right , Weymouth should not pay, But weymouth and portland b/c should keep the place up together , The same as they should for littlemore/ westham / wyke / The only place that gets looked after is the seafront / beach / and town area/ Now we have to pay for the harbour for the select few rich of the town, No one is asking weymouth to pay for portland council and right again SCRAP it, We want our fair share of weymouth and portland b/c common cence
  • Score: 1

4:13pm Sat 1 Feb 14

yellowhunter13 says...

ksmain wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
If they think this shows they have "listened" they must be more arrogant than anyone though. They didn't "listen" they was **** well told!

If they are "listening" the Munro's will be out.
The hilarious thing is that you guys voted them in - didn't you?
Troll alert !! Keep on laughing ksmain about our situation if thats what turns you on weirdo !!
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: If they think this shows they have "listened" they must be more arrogant than anyone though. They didn't "listen" they was **** well told! If they are "listening" the Munro's will be out.[/p][/quote]The hilarious thing is that you guys voted them in - didn't you?[/p][/quote]Troll alert !! Keep on laughing ksmain about our situation if thats what turns you on weirdo !! yellowhunter13
  • Score: 1

4:18pm Sat 1 Feb 14

bandit_300 says...

yellowhunter13 wrote:
ksmain wrote:
common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up.
A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool !
Yes certainly agree with that one as i have noticed this person that really should learn a few things must be a child of 5 that slipped through the echo`s net.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.[/p][/quote]You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up. A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool ![/p][/quote]Yes certainly agree with that one as i have noticed this person that really should learn a few things must be a child of 5 that slipped through the echo`s net. bandit_300
  • Score: 1

4:25pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Wilbraham says...

ksmain wrote:
common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
The borough do not pay for PTC. A few years ago they did but this was withdrawn and it is now funded by the PTC precept.

We pay for DCC and W&PBC for the same services as you do.

I have been told by people who know these things that it is not easy to scrap them.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.[/p][/quote]The borough do not pay for PTC. A few years ago they did but this was withdrawn and it is now funded by the PTC precept. We pay for DCC and W&PBC for the same services as you do. I have been told by people who know these things that it is not easy to scrap them. Wilbraham
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Sat 1 Feb 14

bandit_300 says...

I do agree with you guys that are not happy or do not want to pay any extra precept and i am not going to get into it but we all know how we got here.
As was on the forums last night it is totally true they have been watching us put comments on here so Hi Ray and Munro !!! I want them out as much as any of you and in my eyes they should be gone already! I want the services we already pay wpbc for like everyone on Portland. But those services even if we had all of them would still not be enough and if we wanted more which we 100% need as Les aymes said after speaking to them they say if we want it we have to pay etc etc.
Now they are saying pay extra on top of what we pay them now which i for one am not prepared to do and neither should we.
I would never in a million years want to pay 1000% either and would not expect anyone else to. I am in a position where i know a fair bit about the neighbourhood plan however it should be called the community plan because us the public of Portland have the chance to give our ideas and our ways of thinking to it rather than having certain things rammed down our throat by councillors. With it we could really make the best of us and the island and would have our say on how we want this place to be or what we would like on it etc. Without it the reign and the powers will go back to the council and the island will be open to all kinds of development etc and we will have no power to stop it.
The island caretaker i am not an advocate for as it probably needs three or four of them to do the whole island but thats another story.
If we have no rise then we can basically leave the running of the island to the same idiots that have created this mess !! 1000% rise is a load of crap ! 2% rise is something a certain councillor has dreamt up as he knows that will leave us no better off then now but make us think we have won the argument but they will be on top. 50% or whatever which is £7 per year would enable us to have our say totally .
I do agree with you guys that are not happy or do not want to pay any extra precept and i am not going to get into it but we all know how we got here. As was on the forums last night it is totally true they have been watching us put comments on here so Hi Ray and Munro !!! I want them out as much as any of you and in my eyes they should be gone already! I want the services we already pay wpbc for like everyone on Portland. But those services even if we had all of them would still not be enough and if we wanted more which we 100% need as Les aymes said after speaking to them they say if we want it we have to pay etc etc. Now they are saying pay extra on top of what we pay them now which i for one am not prepared to do and neither should we. I would never in a million years want to pay 1000% either and would not expect anyone else to. I am in a position where i know a fair bit about the neighbourhood plan however it should be called the community plan because us the public of Portland have the chance to give our ideas and our ways of thinking to it rather than having certain things rammed down our throat by councillors. With it we could really make the best of us and the island and would have our say on how we want this place to be or what we would like on it etc. Without it the reign and the powers will go back to the council and the island will be open to all kinds of development etc and we will have no power to stop it. The island caretaker i am not an advocate for as it probably needs three or four of them to do the whole island but thats another story. If we have no rise then we can basically leave the running of the island to the same idiots that have created this mess !! 1000% rise is a load of crap ! 2% rise is something a certain councillor has dreamt up as he knows that will leave us no better off then now but make us think we have won the argument but they will be on top. 50% or whatever which is £7 per year would enable us to have our say totally . bandit_300
  • Score: 6

6:30pm Sat 1 Feb 14

ksmain says...

yellowhunter13 wrote:
ksmain wrote:
common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up.
A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool !
I will respond to you, but will not stoop to the abuse and childish name-calling of your post above.

1. This is a comments section of the Echo and is open to comments from everyone on any article they choose to comment on. Please let me know if the rules say any different?
2. Vote in a new PTC if you don't like if - after all you did vote the last one in by democratic vote?
3. I am sure that some residents in Weymouth don't get what they pay for either - so stop moaning.
[quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.[/p][/quote]You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up. A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool ![/p][/quote]I will respond to you, but will not stoop to the abuse and childish name-calling of your post above. 1. This is a comments section of the Echo and is open to comments from everyone on any article they choose to comment on. Please let me know if the rules say any different? 2. Vote in a new PTC if you don't like if - after all you did vote the last one in by democratic vote? 3. I am sure that some residents in Weymouth don't get what they pay for either - so stop moaning. ksmain
  • Score: 2

7:34pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Wilbraham says...

ksmain wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
ksmain wrote:
common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up.
A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool !
I will respond to you, but will not stoop to the abuse and childish name-calling of your post above.

1. This is a comments section of the Echo and is open to comments from everyone on any article they choose to comment on. Please let me know if the rules say any different?
2. Vote in a new PTC if you don't like if - after all you did vote the last one in by democratic vote?
3. I am sure that some residents in Weymouth don't get what they pay for either - so stop moaning.
5 members of the PTC are co-opted. 3 were elected and the other 6 were elected unopposed. If we are guilty of anything then it is letting this situation develop.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.[/p][/quote]You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up. A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool ![/p][/quote]I will respond to you, but will not stoop to the abuse and childish name-calling of your post above. 1. This is a comments section of the Echo and is open to comments from everyone on any article they choose to comment on. Please let me know if the rules say any different? 2. Vote in a new PTC if you don't like if - after all you did vote the last one in by democratic vote? 3. I am sure that some residents in Weymouth don't get what they pay for either - so stop moaning.[/p][/quote]5 members of the PTC are co-opted. 3 were elected and the other 6 were elected unopposed. If we are guilty of anything then it is letting this situation develop. Wilbraham
  • Score: 4

10:25pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Genghis says...

Wilbraham wrote:
ksmain wrote:
yellowhunter13 wrote:
ksmain wrote:
common cence wrote:
No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,
Because you run a separate council.

Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.
You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up.
A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool !
I will respond to you, but will not stoop to the abuse and childish name-calling of your post above.

1. This is a comments section of the Echo and is open to comments from everyone on any article they choose to comment on. Please let me know if the rules say any different?
2. Vote in a new PTC if you don't like if - after all you did vote the last one in by democratic vote?
3. I am sure that some residents in Weymouth don't get what they pay for either - so stop moaning.
5 members of the PTC are co-opted. 3 were elected and the other 6 were elected unopposed. If we are guilty of anything then it is letting this situation develop.
Correct. For a proper choice to be made there should be at least two candidates standing for each seat available. From what I recall, last time in Underhill we had five candidates for four seats. It must have been the same or worse elsewhere, as councillors were co-opted on to the council after the election That isn't undemocratic, it's within the rules to get the council up to strength.

So for all those saying that the councillors should resign or we should vote them out at the next election, the first step is that there needs to be more people standing as candidates before that can happen.

And to pick up on a point made by ksmain. He's quite correct when he says that services are also just as bad in Weymouth. It's not a Portland vs Weymouth thing as some keep trying to make out. It's not W&PBC making us pay twice for services that are being cut throughout the borough. Indeed the whole county is suffering from similar cuts. No, it's Portland Town Council making us pay twice for those services by adding on to the precept.
[quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yellowhunter13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]common cence[/bold] wrote: No increase . Why o why are we paying twice , Portland town council should be squaring up to W P B C to get the services that we pay for and have paid for over the years , All that ptc have done in the last couple of years is drag Portland down and make portland a laughing stock,[/p][/quote]Because you run a separate council. Why should the residents of Weymouth pay to run Portland Council. We don't live there. If you don't want to pay for your own council - scrap it.[/p][/quote]You really are a stupid **** ksmain!! Always on here getting into our business and making crap comments. Residents of Weymouth are not paying for us you dumb **** we pay our council tax twice one lot to wpbc and to our own parish. You however just pay the once if we wnat to gripe about whats happening over here thats our right. You however should dig a massive whole in the ground jump in it and cover yourself up. A total tawt !!! Thats for you if you have a mirror ! Tool ![/p][/quote]I will respond to you, but will not stoop to the abuse and childish name-calling of your post above. 1. This is a comments section of the Echo and is open to comments from everyone on any article they choose to comment on. Please let me know if the rules say any different? 2. Vote in a new PTC if you don't like if - after all you did vote the last one in by democratic vote? 3. I am sure that some residents in Weymouth don't get what they pay for either - so stop moaning.[/p][/quote]5 members of the PTC are co-opted. 3 were elected and the other 6 were elected unopposed. If we are guilty of anything then it is letting this situation develop.[/p][/quote]Correct. For a proper choice to be made there should be at least two candidates standing for each seat available. From what I recall, last time in Underhill we had five candidates for four seats. It must have been the same or worse elsewhere, as councillors were co-opted on to the council after the election That isn't undemocratic, it's within the rules to get the council up to strength. So for all those saying that the councillors should resign or we should vote them out at the next election, the first step is that there needs to be more people standing as candidates before that can happen. And to pick up on a point made by ksmain. He's quite correct when he says that services are also just as bad in Weymouth. It's not a Portland vs Weymouth thing as some keep trying to make out. It's not W&PBC making us pay twice for services that are being cut throughout the borough. Indeed the whole county is suffering from similar cuts. No, it's Portland Town Council making us pay twice for those services by adding on to the precept. Genghis
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10:41am Sun 2 Feb 14

Foursite says...

I support all the people who believe they are paying twice,our precept was initially set for keeping our council,and then the wages of the town clerk.I agree with Paul Kimber that we should keep our council, it is so much part of Portland history. Id is obvious that councillors must go,and they know who they are,accepting a 2% rise will not cover what we are getting at the moment, costs have gone up ,so we will be getting rid of the recently appointed caretaker,and the NEW neighbourhood plan that we have fought for and the potential to control what you the people want on our Island, so please take part in formulating it. PTC must be modernised,and have people within it to fight our corner. something we have not got at the moment. The books and constitution needs looking at by fresh minds and faces Les Ames has been a loyal servant to Portland for a very long time,he is slowly being pushed behind by the bullying of the Munro,Denton/White (cartel?). Sadley his grand age may mean he is not as sharpI as he once was but I believe he has (as a kimberlin) the best interst of all Portland people at heart. We must allow him the dignity of modernising PTC and not allow Portland Town council to go under on his watch.
I know who I would much rather trust so please get behind them.
I support all the people who believe they are paying twice,our precept was initially set for keeping our council,and then the wages of the town clerk.I agree with Paul Kimber that we should keep our council, it is so much part of Portland history. Id is obvious that councillors must go,and they know who they are,accepting a 2% rise will not cover what we are getting at the moment, costs have gone up ,so we will be getting rid of the recently appointed caretaker,and the NEW neighbourhood plan that we have fought for and the potential to control what you the people want on our Island, so please take part in formulating it. PTC must be modernised,and have people within it to fight our corner. something we have not got at the moment. The books and constitution needs looking at by fresh minds and faces Les Ames has been a loyal servant to Portland for a very long time,he is slowly being pushed behind by the bullying of the Munro,Denton/White (cartel?). Sadley his grand age may mean he is not as sharpI as he once was but I believe he has (as a kimberlin) the best interst of all Portland people at heart. We must allow him the dignity of modernising PTC and not allow Portland Town council to go under on his watch. I know who I would much rather trust so please get behind them. Foursite
  • Score: 25

5:15pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Wilbraham says...

Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only. Wilbraham
  • Score: 2

7:54pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bandit_300 says...

Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
[quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way. bandit_300
  • Score: 0

8:25pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Wilbraham says...

bandit_300 wrote:
Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
Landowners have the land. Planning laws have the power over plans. The people who fought for the Francis Farm in Weymouth could tell you all about it. I appreciate the work that has gone into the Neighbourhood plan and I'm sure the people involved have the best of intentions but at the end of the day it is Owners/planning and cash that makes the decisions. The government have eased the way for developers to progress there plans regardless of the local feeling.
[quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.[/p][/quote]Landowners have the land. Planning laws have the power over plans. The people who fought for the Francis Farm in Weymouth could tell you all about it. I appreciate the work that has gone into the Neighbourhood plan and I'm sure the people involved have the best of intentions but at the end of the day it is Owners/planning and cash that makes the decisions. The government have eased the way for developers to progress there plans regardless of the local feeling. Wilbraham
  • Score: 1

8:53pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Genghis says...

bandit_300 wrote:
Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates.

And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.
[quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.[/p][/quote]So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates. And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice. Genghis
  • Score: 0

9:15pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bandit_300 says...

Wilbraham wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
Landowners have the land. Planning laws have the power over plans. The people who fought for the Francis Farm in Weymouth could tell you all about it. I appreciate the work that has gone into the Neighbourhood plan and I'm sure the people involved have the best of intentions but at the end of the day it is Owners/planning and cash that makes the decisions. The government have eased the way for developers to progress there plans regardless of the local feeling.
I cant not agree with you and you are correct however if you could possibly help or save one or a few pieces of land or stop or change a development for the better of your local area or the island itself would it not be better to try or just leave it totally to other people? As in councils or landowners .
The reason why this place has hit the skids over the past number of years is because we have turned the other cheek and let people get away with far to much. I know of two areas at least that never had correct planning permission however not one person said anything when building started and when i eventually realised it i complained but to **** late. I was told by a councillor that there had been some mistakes at the planning offices and the development must have slipped through the net. Whether that is true or not i probably will never know .
[quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.[/p][/quote]Landowners have the land. Planning laws have the power over plans. The people who fought for the Francis Farm in Weymouth could tell you all about it. I appreciate the work that has gone into the Neighbourhood plan and I'm sure the people involved have the best of intentions but at the end of the day it is Owners/planning and cash that makes the decisions. The government have eased the way for developers to progress there plans regardless of the local feeling.[/p][/quote]I cant not agree with you and you are correct however if you could possibly help or save one or a few pieces of land or stop or change a development for the better of your local area or the island itself would it not be better to try or just leave it totally to other people? As in councils or landowners . The reason why this place has hit the skids over the past number of years is because we have turned the other cheek and let people get away with far to much. I know of two areas at least that never had correct planning permission however not one person said anything when building started and when i eventually realised it i complained but to **** late. I was told by a councillor that there had been some mistakes at the planning offices and the development must have slipped through the net. Whether that is true or not i probably will never know . bandit_300
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bandit_300 says...

Genghis wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates.

And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.
Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past.
We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.[/p][/quote]So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates. And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.[/p][/quote]Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past. We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all. bandit_300
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Genghis says...

bandit_300 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates.

And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.
Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past.
We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all.
The ideal council made up from normal people such as cooks, taxi drivers, cleaners or whatever. Or much the same system as we already have. Regardless of all the bile that is thrown at them, our present councillors are normal people with normal every day lives. You may not agree with them, you may not like them particularly, but sorry, they are ordinary residents with one exception. Up to now they are the only ones that have got up and stood as candidates. Wishful thinking of an ideal world and a council full of what you consider as the right type of candidates will not produce those candidates in reality.
[quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.[/p][/quote]So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates. And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.[/p][/quote]Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past. We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all.[/p][/quote]The ideal council made up from normal people such as cooks, taxi drivers, cleaners or whatever. Or much the same system as we already have. Regardless of all the bile that is thrown at them, our present councillors are normal people with normal every day lives. You may not agree with them, you may not like them particularly, but sorry, they are ordinary residents with one exception. Up to now they are the only ones that have got up and stood as candidates. Wishful thinking of an ideal world and a council full of what you consider as the right type of candidates will not produce those candidates in reality. Genghis
  • Score: -1

10:24pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bandit_300 says...

Genghis wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates.

And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.
Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past.
We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all.
The ideal council made up from normal people such as cooks, taxi drivers, cleaners or whatever. Or much the same system as we already have. Regardless of all the bile that is thrown at them, our present councillors are normal people with normal every day lives. You may not agree with them, you may not like them particularly, but sorry, they are ordinary residents with one exception. Up to now they are the only ones that have got up and stood as candidates. Wishful thinking of an ideal world and a council full of what you consider as the right type of candidates will not produce those candidates in reality.
Sorry but i will disagree with you all the time i am afraid. Not all but those few normal people you say are on the council are not normal are they !! They are not out for the good of the island i can assure you otherwise we would not be here and over the past couple of weeks debating that. Its also not wishful thinkin it can be a reality but without wanting to get in an arguement if all have the same give up attitude i see on here what bloody chance have we got plus if we all loved it why are people like you and i and others on here why waste the time. And i would like to say if i was to stand for a council spot i could assure you my normal status would remain and i would want what is best for the island its people and the history and future of it. I know without giving anything away that certain members of the council are not after what we normal people as you put it want. And to categorise these people with me or others is an insult !
I do not want any come backs from you as its a given you and i are not cut from the same cloth.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.[/p][/quote]So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates. And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.[/p][/quote]Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past. We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all.[/p][/quote]The ideal council made up from normal people such as cooks, taxi drivers, cleaners or whatever. Or much the same system as we already have. Regardless of all the bile that is thrown at them, our present councillors are normal people with normal every day lives. You may not agree with them, you may not like them particularly, but sorry, they are ordinary residents with one exception. Up to now they are the only ones that have got up and stood as candidates. Wishful thinking of an ideal world and a council full of what you consider as the right type of candidates will not produce those candidates in reality.[/p][/quote]Sorry but i will disagree with you all the time i am afraid. Not all but those few normal people you say are on the council are not normal are they !! They are not out for the good of the island i can assure you otherwise we would not be here and over the past couple of weeks debating that. Its also not wishful thinkin it can be a reality but without wanting to get in an arguement if all have the same give up attitude i see on here what bloody chance have we got plus if we all loved it why are people like you and i and others on here why waste the time. And i would like to say if i was to stand for a council spot i could assure you my normal status would remain and i would want what is best for the island its people and the history and future of it. I know without giving anything away that certain members of the council are not after what we normal people as you put it want. And to categorise these people with me or others is an insult ! I do not want any come backs from you as its a given you and i are not cut from the same cloth. bandit_300
  • Score: 0

6:41am Mon 3 Feb 14

Genghis says...

bandit_300 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
bandit_300 wrote:
Wilbraham wrote:
Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.
What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.
So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates.

And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.
Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past.
We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all.
The ideal council made up from normal people such as cooks, taxi drivers, cleaners or whatever. Or much the same system as we already have. Regardless of all the bile that is thrown at them, our present councillors are normal people with normal every day lives. You may not agree with them, you may not like them particularly, but sorry, they are ordinary residents with one exception. Up to now they are the only ones that have got up and stood as candidates. Wishful thinking of an ideal world and a council full of what you consider as the right type of candidates will not produce those candidates in reality.
Sorry but i will disagree with you all the time i am afraid. Not all but those few normal people you say are on the council are not normal are they !! They are not out for the good of the island i can assure you otherwise we would not be here and over the past couple of weeks debating that. Its also not wishful thinkin it can be a reality but without wanting to get in an arguement if all have the same give up attitude i see on here what bloody chance have we got plus if we all loved it why are people like you and i and others on here why waste the time. And i would like to say if i was to stand for a council spot i could assure you my normal status would remain and i would want what is best for the island its people and the history and future of it. I know without giving anything away that certain members of the council are not after what we normal people as you put it want. And to categorise these people with me or others is an insult !
I do not want any come backs from you as its a given you and i are not cut from the same cloth.
No they are very normal people and I for one don't want to make them feel that they are special, they'd love that. In reality they are no better or worse than the rest of us. We can agree or disagree with them, and I strongly disagree with them, but you just cannot say that they are not out for the good of the island. You have your vision for the island, I have mine and they have theirs. They are doing what they believe is best for the island, in this instance though virtually everybody else opposes that vision and their policies to achieve it. That's politics for you.

As for the ideal council made up of what you term as normal folk, with no egos and with only the good of the island and it's population in mind. That idea has been trotted out year after year but, every year at election time, the only people on the ballot sheet are the ones that are on the council at the present time. So, in one way at least I would agree with you that they are not normal. They are not normal because they do actually get off their backsides and stand as candidates.
[quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bandit_300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: Keep the Town Council and we will be in the same position in a few years hence. What happened in the old days should not be used as a yardstick as we cannot go back in time. The Neighbourhood plan is a dream sheet which will be overridden by the people who have the real power which is not PTC. Look what happened to Officers field. PTC are an advisory body only.[/p][/quote]What people are you thinking about who have the real power then? The more everyday people like yourself who come forward to take part in the neighbour hood plan then it will be for the better do you not think ? Or are we going to do what we all have before as in voting this useless PTC in and then bleet about it years down the line? Surely if we dont try then were not going to lose anything but could gain something. Im not having a go at you Wilbraham just trying to gauge why we all dont go for it in some way.[/p][/quote]So what is the alternative to voting in this useless PTC then? As has been pointed out over and over again we get the same people on the PTC for the simple reason, they are the only ones who ever put themselves forward as candidates. And no I don't want the 1000% increase in the precept as proposed by some nor do I want the 50% increase as proposed by others. What I want is a reduction in the number of local authorities that dip their hands in to my pockets. Two or three are far too many. One will suffice.[/p][/quote]Not sure of the alternative but i and others have had a few thoughts off this forum on the subject and i am sure us normal folk do have the brains and the man/woman power to come up with something far better than ptc and you can create your own council without having the same political people involved. made up of cooks,taxi drivers,cleaners or whatever and we can have members who are not party affiliated as well so no we dont have to do the same old rubbish as we have done in the past. We are not going to get anything with the money we pay wpbc and probably in an ideal world we would pay Council tax for just PTC and have our own island services but thats been and gone so the only way we can affect change is to get it for ourselves. Im trying to forget about the money side of things and concentrate on the true reasons why they want the money. Never in a million years do i know why Munro came up with that as he knew we all would tell him to bugger off. I feel there is a game afoot and have my suspicions and they aint good at all.[/p][/quote]The ideal council made up from normal people such as cooks, taxi drivers, cleaners or whatever. Or much the same system as we already have. Regardless of all the bile that is thrown at them, our present councillors are normal people with normal every day lives. You may not agree with them, you may not like them particularly, but sorry, they are ordinary residents with one exception. Up to now they are the only ones that have got up and stood as candidates. Wishful thinking of an ideal world and a council full of what you consider as the right type of candidates will not produce those candidates in reality.[/p][/quote]Sorry but i will disagree with you all the time i am afraid. Not all but those few normal people you say are on the council are not normal are they !! They are not out for the good of the island i can assure you otherwise we would not be here and over the past couple of weeks debating that. Its also not wishful thinkin it can be a reality but without wanting to get in an arguement if all have the same give up attitude i see on here what bloody chance have we got plus if we all loved it why are people like you and i and others on here why waste the time. And i would like to say if i was to stand for a council spot i could assure you my normal status would remain and i would want what is best for the island its people and the history and future of it. I know without giving anything away that certain members of the council are not after what we normal people as you put it want. And to categorise these people with me or others is an insult ! I do not want any come backs from you as its a given you and i are not cut from the same cloth.[/p][/quote]No they are very normal people and I for one don't want to make them feel that they are special, they'd love that. In reality they are no better or worse than the rest of us. We can agree or disagree with them, and I strongly disagree with them, but you just cannot say that they are not out for the good of the island. You have your vision for the island, I have mine and they have theirs. They are doing what they believe is best for the island, in this instance though virtually everybody else opposes that vision and their policies to achieve it. That's politics for you. As for the ideal council made up of what you term as normal folk, with no egos and with only the good of the island and it's population in mind. That idea has been trotted out year after year but, every year at election time, the only people on the ballot sheet are the ones that are on the council at the present time. So, in one way at least I would agree with you that they are not normal. They are not normal because they do actually get off their backsides and stand as candidates. Genghis
  • Score: 1

10:09am Mon 3 Feb 14

Tillydog says...

The Portland Town Council alongside the Portland Community Partnership and W&PBC are putting together something called the NEIGHBOURHOOD PLAN.
Since April 2012, local communities are able to lead the future of their area through the preparation of neighbourhood development plans. That means that YOU as a member of the Community can decide
what YOU want to see on Portland. Although a town or parish councils must lead the proposal, it is community engagement that will ultimately decide what goes in it.
Do you think the Island needs more housing? Maybe it needs a certain type of housing (affordable to match local wages or larger more expensive houses to attract more professional people)? Do you think
we need the Western Link Road? Maybe you think that there are areas of land that should be preserved on the Island? Should future development be around tourism?
If we have to build more houses maybe we should insist that planners must include a new chemist, dentists, opticians, school, open play area for children etc.
The Portland Town Council alongside the Portland Community Partnership and W&PBC are putting together something called the NEIGHBOURHOOD PLAN. Since April 2012, local communities are able to lead the future of their area through the preparation of neighbourhood development plans. That means that YOU as a member of the Community can decide what YOU want to see on Portland. Although a town or parish councils must lead the proposal, it is community engagement that will ultimately decide what goes in it. Do you think the Island needs more housing? Maybe it needs a certain type of housing (affordable to match local wages or larger more expensive houses to attract more professional people)? Do you think we need the Western Link Road? Maybe you think that there are areas of land that should be preserved on the Island? Should future development be around tourism? If we have to build more houses maybe we should insist that planners must include a new chemist, dentists, opticians, school, open play area for children etc. Tillydog
  • Score: 5

10:10am Mon 3 Feb 14

Tillydog says...

Dog Bless Portland and all its people. x
Dog Bless Portland and all its people. x Tillydog
  • Score: 5

1:36pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Nomalice says...

Tillydog wrote:
The Portland Town Council alongside the Portland Community Partnership and W&PBC are putting together something called the NEIGHBOURHOOD PLAN.
Since April 2012, local communities are able to lead the future of their area through the preparation of neighbourhood development plans. That means that YOU as a member of the Community can decide
what YOU want to see on Portland. Although a town or parish councils must lead the proposal, it is community engagement that will ultimately decide what goes in it.
Do you think the Island needs more housing? Maybe it needs a certain type of housing (affordable to match local wages or larger more expensive houses to attract more professional people)? Do you think
we need the Western Link Road? Maybe you think that there are areas of land that should be preserved on the Island? Should future development be around tourism?
If we have to build more houses maybe we should insist that planners must include a new chemist, dentists, opticians, school, open play area for children etc.
"Parish Councils must lead on Community Proposals". Anyone out there who was not at the December PTC meeting,aware of the Precept Hike Proposal.
Perhaps there were people who WERE THERE,who were unaware of the proposal.

It is hard to disagree with any of Tillydogs points. Uncontrolled development leads to a reduction in the quality of services we receive, ( Tried to make a Doctors' Appointment lately?).

Disposal of two levels of local government would allow the voter to know exactly who was responsible for fighting for Portlands' interests on DCC.
No need for a chain of toing and froing and suggestions / complaints etc.,being lost in the process.
[quote][p][bold]Tillydog[/bold] wrote: The Portland Town Council alongside the Portland Community Partnership and W&PBC are putting together something called the NEIGHBOURHOOD PLAN. Since April 2012, local communities are able to lead the future of their area through the preparation of neighbourhood development plans. That means that YOU as a member of the Community can decide what YOU want to see on Portland. Although a town or parish councils must lead the proposal, it is community engagement that will ultimately decide what goes in it. Do you think the Island needs more housing? Maybe it needs a certain type of housing (affordable to match local wages or larger more expensive houses to attract more professional people)? Do you think we need the Western Link Road? Maybe you think that there are areas of land that should be preserved on the Island? Should future development be around tourism? If we have to build more houses maybe we should insist that planners must include a new chemist, dentists, opticians, school, open play area for children etc.[/p][/quote]"Parish Councils must lead on Community Proposals". Anyone out there who was not at the December PTC meeting,aware of the Precept Hike Proposal. Perhaps there were people who WERE THERE,who were unaware of the proposal. It is hard to disagree with any of Tillydogs points. Uncontrolled development leads to a reduction in the quality of services we receive, ( Tried to make a Doctors' Appointment lately?). Disposal of two levels of local government would allow the voter to know exactly who was responsible for fighting for Portlands' interests on DCC. No need for a chain of toing and froing and suggestions / complaints etc.,being lost in the process. Nomalice
  • Score: 3

9:56am Wed 5 Feb 14

Foursite says...

Those of you that have been keeping up with this story will know it was I Foursite that broke it through these pages.I attended the PTC meeting on 15th Jan and this paper did not.

You will also know that because the Munro family advertise their businesses within this paper they were able to have posts removed because of the effect they could or have had on their business.
I call this press censorship and a very dangerous path we are treading regarding our democracy.

When you are told, you will pay a 1,000% increase in any tax and that has been set and cannot be removed, some get very angry as I did.The fact that my comments were removed is testament to how well thought out this ridiculous hike was.I have no shame in releasing the story, after all, the men at the top are saying "we are all in this together" The Munro family deserve all they get.
But beware people,if such a family are able to censor what we read locally,press censorship by any business is likely because they advertise within that paper.Business is controlling our lives and that is destroying
the very fabric of our society that is why governments support business. is it not ?.to take the onus away from them. See you there. Foursite.
Those of you that have been keeping up with this story will know it was I Foursite that broke it through these pages.I attended the PTC meeting on 15th Jan and this paper did not. You will also know that because the Munro family advertise their businesses within this paper they were able to have posts removed because of the effect they could or have had on their business. I call this press censorship and a very dangerous path we are treading regarding our democracy. When you are told, you will pay a 1,000% increase in any tax and that has been set and cannot be removed, some get very angry as I did.The fact that my comments were removed is testament to how well thought out this ridiculous hike was.I have no shame in releasing the story, after all, the men at the top are saying "we are all in this together" The Munro family deserve all they get. But beware people,if such a family are able to censor what we read locally,press censorship by any business is likely because they advertise within that paper.Business is controlling our lives and that is destroying the very fabric of our society that is why governments support business. is it not ?.to take the onus away from them. See you there. Foursite. Foursite
  • Score: 2

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