Cuts needed at Weymouth and Portland to close £900,000 budget deficit

Councillor Ray Nowak is concerned about budget cuts to park service which could affect the future of the gardens at Easton

Councillor Ray Nowak is concerned about budget cuts to park service which could affect the future of the gardens at Easton

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REDUCING support for festivals, doing less work in parks and hiking up crematorium fees could help council chiefs balance the budget for the coming year.

Council tax will also be increased by just under 2 per cent to help Weymouth and Portland Borough Council close a budget gap of £900,000.

Efforts to save money and cut services are being done amid a grim financial outlook with the amount the council gets from the government being slashed more each year. By 2019/20 the authority will receive £4.7m less than it did at the beginning of the decade, taking into account inflation.

The council is facing further funding pressures, including the money it has to put aside to support the harbour and repair the quay walls.

Its partnership with west Dorset has saved money however and key decisions have been taken to reduce costs further including transferring the operation of the Pavilion, closing tourist information centres, redeveloping North Quay and marketing the Guildhall.

Proposals for balancing the budget for 2014/15 will be presented to the management committee tomorrow before the budget is set by full council on February 20.

Moves to rationalise the events programme have been criticised as the council stops funding summer firework displays and the kite festival.

However a group of volunteers led by Michael McManus has since come forward to take over the running of the kite festival and they are seeking sponsorship.

Trimming the parks and open spaces budget has also come under fire from Portland councillors who fear Victoria and Easton Gardens will close if the council stops maintaining them and hands them over to the community to run.

This proposal will be considered as part of the 2015/16 budget but a notice of motion to the committee will urge councillors to rethink the plan.

The motion, proposed by Councillor Paul Kimber, says: “We demand these gardens be kept open and that a budget for the maintenance of the gardens is maintained.”

Coun Ray Nowak has previously said the measure would have a ‘huge impact’ on Portland.

He said the Crown Estate, which owns both gardens, could decide to do something else with the land if it was not looked after.

Regarding the crematorium, the council wants to recoup some of the investment in the facilities so fees are being increased further.

The financial strategy for balancing the budget is based upon increasing the council tax by 1.99 per cent to generate £109,300, increasing the Band B charge by 8p a week.

Details of the full council tax bill for Weymouth and Portland residents will be known at the February 20 meeting.

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9:54am Mon 3 Feb 14

annotater says...

Being more efficient would achieve the same!
Being more efficient would achieve the same! annotater
  • Score: 10

10:21am Mon 3 Feb 14

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

Cutting out fripperies like the mayor and his entourage, reducing councillors expense claims, reducing duplication of posts in the various local authorities would also help!
Cutting out fripperies like the mayor and his entourage, reducing councillors expense claims, reducing duplication of posts in the various local authorities would also help! IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
  • Score: 15

10:22am Mon 3 Feb 14

Uptonian2 says...

I'm no financial expert but I presume that there are people who know what they are doing so how much money does Weymouth and Portland need to run things for the community?

How much money will be needed for next year and the year after, someone knows the answer, it can't be that difficult.

As for the Government cut backs, I really don't know how long the electorate will put up with it, people are standing on the edge of a big cliff and with the Government treading a very fine line between pushing you off and grabbing your shirt I'd hate to see this country go the way of Greece. A Riot in Weymouth wouldn't be good for Tourism would it?
I'm no financial expert but I presume that there are people who know what they are doing so how much money does Weymouth and Portland need to run things for the community? How much money will be needed for next year and the year after, someone knows the answer, it can't be that difficult. As for the Government cut backs, I really don't know how long the electorate will put up with it, people are standing on the edge of a big cliff and with the Government treading a very fine line between pushing you off and grabbing your shirt I'd hate to see this country go the way of Greece. A Riot in Weymouth wouldn't be good for Tourism would it? Uptonian2
  • Score: -3

10:37am Mon 3 Feb 14

Foursite says...

I don't share Ray Nowack' s concern over losing either Victoria or Easton gardens. We have had in place for a number of years "friends of both" I cant see them allowing it to happen So less of the scaremongering please Ray
I don't share Ray Nowack' s concern over losing either Victoria or Easton gardens. We have had in place for a number of years "friends of both" I cant see them allowing it to happen So less of the scaremongering please Ray Foursite
  • Score: 24

11:20am Mon 3 Feb 14

weymouthresident says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
Cutting out fripperies like the mayor and his entourage, reducing councillors expense claims, reducing duplication of posts in the various local authorities would also help!
Good idea.

What about reducing the extortionate rent for retail units. I was in Pavers, Poole, yesterday. The Weymouth shop was closed recently as the council had once again raised the rent and it was becoming to expensive. Yet another empty unit.

Surely it makes sense to reduce the rents and have the units occupied. This could attract more would-be retailers, rather than encouraging them all to leave like rats leaving the sinking ship that is Weymouth. It makes economic sense to have all units paying a lower rental than have so many empty and not generating any income at all.

You only have to look in Dorchester. It's thriving and growing. Very soon Weymouth will be nothing but a ghost town. The council is killing it!
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: Cutting out fripperies like the mayor and his entourage, reducing councillors expense claims, reducing duplication of posts in the various local authorities would also help![/p][/quote]Good idea. What about reducing the extortionate rent for retail units. I was in Pavers, Poole, yesterday. The Weymouth shop was closed recently as the council had once again raised the rent and it was becoming to expensive. Yet another empty unit. Surely it makes sense to reduce the rents and have the units occupied. This could attract more would-be retailers, rather than encouraging them all to leave like rats leaving the sinking ship that is Weymouth. It makes economic sense to have all units paying a lower rental than have so many empty and not generating any income at all. You only have to look in Dorchester. It's thriving and growing. Very soon Weymouth will be nothing but a ghost town. The council is killing it! weymouthresident
  • Score: 3

11:21am Mon 3 Feb 14

weymouthresident says...

Oops - too expensive!
Oops - too expensive! weymouthresident
  • Score: 1

11:37am Mon 3 Feb 14

shy talk says...

Victoria and Easton gardens Portland. Perhaps the Portland Town Council could help with precept, to help with maintaining the gardens. I suspect Weymouth and Portland Borough Council bean counters have factored in the precept (Tax) to save money.

They pay a precept let them use that attitude.

So if the cuts go ahead money from the percept, might well have to be spent if Portlander’s wanted to keep the gardens open. Yet again Portland is paying twice and losing services from the Council Tax.

Either scrap the Portland Town Council that is an expensive anachronism and the precept. You might save money but you might still lose the gardens and cuts in other services. The choice is yours.
Victoria and Easton gardens Portland. Perhaps the Portland Town Council could help with precept, to help with maintaining the gardens. I suspect Weymouth and Portland Borough Council bean counters have factored in the precept (Tax) to save money. They pay a precept let them use that attitude. So if the cuts go ahead money from the percept, might well have to be spent if Portlander’s wanted to keep the gardens open. Yet again Portland is paying twice and losing services from the Council Tax. Either scrap the Portland Town Council that is an expensive anachronism and the precept. You might save money but you might still lose the gardens and cuts in other services. The choice is yours. shy talk
  • Score: 5

12:57pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Get a grip says...

weymouthresident wrote:
IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
Cutting out fripperies like the mayor and his entourage, reducing councillors expense claims, reducing duplication of posts in the various local authorities would also help!
Good idea.

What about reducing the extortionate rent for retail units. I was in Pavers, Poole, yesterday. The Weymouth shop was closed recently as the council had once again raised the rent and it was becoming to expensive. Yet another empty unit.

Surely it makes sense to reduce the rents and have the units occupied. This could attract more would-be retailers, rather than encouraging them all to leave like rats leaving the sinking ship that is Weymouth. It makes economic sense to have all units paying a lower rental than have so many empty and not generating any income at all.

You only have to look in Dorchester. It's thriving and growing. Very soon Weymouth will be nothing but a ghost town. The council is killing it!
I am not a supporter of the council but do not blame them for something they have not done.


The council do not own the freehold of the shops in Weymouth centre. So they can not set or control the rents.

They are required to collect the business rates but do not set the level of rent.
[quote][p][bold]weymouthresident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: Cutting out fripperies like the mayor and his entourage, reducing councillors expense claims, reducing duplication of posts in the various local authorities would also help![/p][/quote]Good idea. What about reducing the extortionate rent for retail units. I was in Pavers, Poole, yesterday. The Weymouth shop was closed recently as the council had once again raised the rent and it was becoming to expensive. Yet another empty unit. Surely it makes sense to reduce the rents and have the units occupied. This could attract more would-be retailers, rather than encouraging them all to leave like rats leaving the sinking ship that is Weymouth. It makes economic sense to have all units paying a lower rental than have so many empty and not generating any income at all. You only have to look in Dorchester. It's thriving and growing. Very soon Weymouth will be nothing but a ghost town. The council is killing it![/p][/quote]I am not a supporter of the council but do not blame them for something they have not done. The council do not own the freehold of the shops in Weymouth centre. So they can not set or control the rents. They are required to collect the business rates but do not set the level of rent. Get a grip
  • Score: 16

1:30pm Mon 3 Feb 14

broadweybill says...

The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be. broadweybill
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Ray Nowak says...

Foursite wrote:
I don't share Ray Nowack' s concern over losing either Victoria or Easton gardens. We have had in place for a number of years "friends of both" I cant see them allowing it to happen So less of the scaremongering please Ray
I was not scaremongering but responding to a officer report last summer that said the Portland Gardens could make a significant saving if the Borough no longer maintain them . If because of reduced Government funding cuts have to be made , then there should be an overview of costs of all Borough gardens / open space etc. I said, and not just picking off Portland gardens . If I had said nothing the people of Portland would have asked why didn't you speak up Yes the friends of the gardens do a good job but they do not cut grass , maintain fencing or play equipment etc.
[quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote: I don't share Ray Nowack' s concern over losing either Victoria or Easton gardens. We have had in place for a number of years "friends of both" I cant see them allowing it to happen So less of the scaremongering please Ray[/p][/quote]I was not scaremongering but responding to a officer report last summer that said the Portland Gardens could make a significant saving if the Borough no longer maintain them . If because of reduced Government funding cuts have to be made , then there should be an overview of costs of all Borough gardens / open space etc. I said, and not just picking off Portland gardens . If I had said nothing the people of Portland would have asked why didn't you speak up Yes the friends of the gardens do a good job but they do not cut grass , maintain fencing or play equipment etc. Ray Nowak
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Mon 3 Feb 14

portlandboy says...

Some years ago I posted here that WPBC would eventually end up penniless because they saw fit to sell every money-earning asset they owned. If they didn't sell it, they had an outside company in to 'manage' it.
I don't own a crystal ball or anything like it, but simple economic sense tell you that, once you have sold everything, you have nothing. Nothing produces no income. Then you cannot fund your commitments, so you have to cut back.
You couldn't run any other business like that, so why do they think they can get away with it as a council?
Some years ago I posted here that WPBC would eventually end up penniless because they saw fit to sell every money-earning asset they owned. If they didn't sell it, they had an outside company in to 'manage' it. I don't own a crystal ball or anything like it, but simple economic sense tell you that, once you have sold everything, you have nothing. Nothing produces no income. Then you cannot fund your commitments, so you have to cut back. You couldn't run any other business like that, so why do they think they can get away with it as a council? portlandboy
  • Score: 3

6:33pm Mon 3 Feb 14

codlips says...

portlandboy wrote:
Some years ago I posted here that WPBC would eventually end up penniless because they saw fit to sell every money-earning asset they owned. If they didn't sell it, they had an outside company in to 'manage' it.
I don't own a crystal ball or anything like it, but simple economic sense tell you that, once you have sold everything, you have nothing. Nothing produces no income. Then you cannot fund your commitments, so you have to cut back.
You couldn't run any other business like that, so why do they think they can get away with it as a council?
Eerrmmm,they are a public service funded by central government,this government,for four years have slashed their budget by millions and are continuing to do so for the foreseeable future.They have no money.If the tories get in to power again next year you'll be able to have a proper moan then.Everything will be privatised creating cheap labour,the gardens will become a shambles (and the refuge collection,the seafront,our open spaces etc) but the tories and the private company directors wont give toss,said company directors will pay themselves well,the tories will reap in the taxes to line their and their cohorts pockets and the rich will get richer and the poor,well,they're get EVEN poorer.Have you not noticed this already happening in other services?
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: Some years ago I posted here that WPBC would eventually end up penniless because they saw fit to sell every money-earning asset they owned. If they didn't sell it, they had an outside company in to 'manage' it. I don't own a crystal ball or anything like it, but simple economic sense tell you that, once you have sold everything, you have nothing. Nothing produces no income. Then you cannot fund your commitments, so you have to cut back. You couldn't run any other business like that, so why do they think they can get away with it as a council?[/p][/quote]Eerrmmm,they are a public service funded by central government,this government,for four years have slashed their budget by millions and are continuing to do so for the foreseeable future.They have no money.If the tories get in to power again next year you'll be able to have a proper moan then.Everything will be privatised creating cheap labour,the gardens will become a shambles (and the refuge collection,the seafront,our open spaces etc) but the tories and the private company directors wont give toss,said company directors will pay themselves well,the tories will reap in the taxes to line their and their cohorts pockets and the rich will get richer and the poor,well,they're get EVEN poorer.Have you not noticed this already happening in other services? codlips
  • Score: 4

7:48pm Mon 3 Feb 14

PortlandandWeymouth says...

shy talk wrote:
Victoria and Easton gardens Portland. Perhaps the Portland Town Council could help with precept, to help with maintaining the gardens. I suspect Weymouth and Portland Borough Council bean counters have factored in the precept (Tax) to save money.

They pay a precept let them use that attitude.

So if the cuts go ahead money from the percept, might well have to be spent if Portlander’s wanted to keep the gardens open. Yet again Portland is paying twice and losing services from the Council Tax.

Either scrap the Portland Town Council that is an expensive anachronism and the precept. You might save money but you might still lose the gardens and cuts in other services. The choice is yours.
Maybe if the W&P charged the rest of Weymouth the precept, bringing it in line with Portland, then they would find the shortfall pretty quickly...
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: Victoria and Easton gardens Portland. Perhaps the Portland Town Council could help with precept, to help with maintaining the gardens. I suspect Weymouth and Portland Borough Council bean counters have factored in the precept (Tax) to save money. They pay a precept let them use that attitude. So if the cuts go ahead money from the percept, might well have to be spent if Portlander’s wanted to keep the gardens open. Yet again Portland is paying twice and losing services from the Council Tax. Either scrap the Portland Town Council that is an expensive anachronism and the precept. You might save money but you might still lose the gardens and cuts in other services. The choice is yours.[/p][/quote]Maybe if the W&P charged the rest of Weymouth the precept, bringing it in line with Portland, then they would find the shortfall pretty quickly... PortlandandWeymouth
  • Score: 2

8:07pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Is it me or is everything rubbish? says...

The council have NO control over rents charged for shops in the town.

The council DO NOT decide how much to charge in Business Rates, nor do they retain the money collected. The money goes to central Government.

People get what people deserve. If people continue to shop online and continue to make regular pilgrimage to the supermarkets, more shops will close.

Support independent retailers and the town will improve.
The council have NO control over rents charged for shops in the town. The council DO NOT decide how much to charge in Business Rates, nor do they retain the money collected. The money goes to central Government. People get what people deserve. If people continue to shop online and continue to make regular pilgrimage to the supermarkets, more shops will close. Support independent retailers and the town will improve. Is it me or is everything rubbish?
  • Score: 13

8:39pm Mon 3 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

broadweybill wrote:
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .
[quote][p][bold]broadweybill[/bold] wrote: The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.[/p][/quote]NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such . David_divenghy2
  • Score: 7

9:09pm Mon 3 Feb 14

codlips says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
broadweybill wrote:
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .
Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broadweybill[/bold] wrote: The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.[/p][/quote]NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .[/p][/quote]Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis? codlips
  • Score: -3

9:26pm Mon 3 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

codlips wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
broadweybill wrote:
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .
Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?
They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth.
[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broadweybill[/bold] wrote: The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.[/p][/quote]NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .[/p][/quote]Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?[/p][/quote]They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -3

10:13pm Mon 3 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
codlips wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
broadweybill wrote:
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .
Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?
They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth.
The usual far right wing spill and the ability to stop the political clock at the time that best suits their argument. No mention of thatcher turning the country from one that use to manufacture into a services sector built on credit and debt. It doesn't suit the right wing argument as it was thatcher that sold off our council house stock, allowing her friends in the city with the money to charge excessive private rents. And who picks up the majority of tab for private rent, the tax payer. One good thing at least DD isn't banging on about poor hard done by men!
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broadweybill[/bold] wrote: The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.[/p][/quote]NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .[/p][/quote]Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?[/p][/quote]They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth.[/p][/quote]The usual far right wing spill and the ability to stop the political clock at the time that best suits their argument. No mention of thatcher turning the country from one that use to manufacture into a services sector built on credit and debt. It doesn't suit the right wing argument as it was thatcher that sold off our council house stock, allowing her friends in the city with the money to charge excessive private rents. And who picks up the majority of tab for private rent, the tax payer. One good thing at least DD isn't banging on about poor hard done by men! woodsedge
  • Score: 5

11:01pm Mon 3 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

woodsedge wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
codlips wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
broadweybill wrote:
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .
Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?
They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth.
The usual far right wing spill and the ability to stop the political clock at the time that best suits their argument. No mention of thatcher turning the country from one that use to manufacture into a services sector built on credit and debt. It doesn't suit the right wing argument as it was thatcher that sold off our council house stock, allowing her friends in the city with the money to charge excessive private rents. And who picks up the majority of tab for private rent, the tax payer. One good thing at least DD isn't banging on about poor hard done by men!
Far right now? Oh well I guess the shaming language and infantile vitriol and hyperbole of the hundreds of threads you stalk me on has failed you, so outright libel now eh? Moron fish took the worm again.

Yes I remember the times before Thatcher Woodsedge, 3 day weeks, blackouts, marxist knuckle draggers and their thug Unions holding the country to ransom, rubbish piling high in the streets and America offering us food parcels because they had dragged us down to some communist cave existence. ( we won't mention about the children and what was going on with labour and their sick friends then either shall we, they're still trying to cover the full extent of that up) Miners blaming Tory's for pit closures when in fact Labour closed more pits than Thatcher ever did (Google it)

Manufacture? Oh you mean those pieces of junk like our cars so shoddily built by work-shy socialists, of the legions waiting for daddy welfare to wipe their backsides that Labour created to make them state dependent and vote-locked., nothing has changed with your kind. Labour waste it all, everyone else has to build us back up again.

Your kind are being starved out once again, that's why your screaming with hate.

Nighty nighty, i'll get a social worker to tuck you and give you your lithium.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broadweybill[/bold] wrote: The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.[/p][/quote]NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .[/p][/quote]Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?[/p][/quote]They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth.[/p][/quote]The usual far right wing spill and the ability to stop the political clock at the time that best suits their argument. No mention of thatcher turning the country from one that use to manufacture into a services sector built on credit and debt. It doesn't suit the right wing argument as it was thatcher that sold off our council house stock, allowing her friends in the city with the money to charge excessive private rents. And who picks up the majority of tab for private rent, the tax payer. One good thing at least DD isn't banging on about poor hard done by men![/p][/quote]Far right now? Oh well I guess the shaming language and infantile vitriol and hyperbole of the hundreds of threads you stalk me on has failed you, so outright libel now eh? Moron fish took the worm again. Yes I remember the times before Thatcher Woodsedge, 3 day weeks, blackouts, marxist knuckle draggers and their thug Unions holding the country to ransom, rubbish piling high in the streets and America offering us food parcels because they had dragged us down to some communist cave existence. ( we won't mention about the children and what was going on with labour and their sick friends then either shall we, they're still trying to cover the full extent of that up) Miners blaming Tory's for pit closures when in fact Labour closed more pits than Thatcher ever did (Google it) Manufacture? Oh you mean those pieces of junk like our cars so shoddily built by work-shy socialists, of the legions waiting for daddy welfare to wipe their backsides that Labour created to make them state dependent and vote-locked., nothing has changed with your kind. Labour waste it all, everyone else has to build us back up again. Your kind are being starved out once again, that's why your screaming with hate. Nighty nighty, i'll get a social worker to tuck you and give you your lithium. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 1

11:19pm Mon 3 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
codlips wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
broadweybill wrote:
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .
Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?
They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth.
The usual far right wing spill and the ability to stop the political clock at the time that best suits their argument. No mention of thatcher turning the country from one that use to manufacture into a services sector built on credit and debt. It doesn't suit the right wing argument as it was thatcher that sold off our council house stock, allowing her friends in the city with the money to charge excessive private rents. And who picks up the majority of tab for private rent, the tax payer. One good thing at least DD isn't banging on about poor hard done by men!
Far right now? Oh well I guess the shaming language and infantile vitriol and hyperbole of the hundreds of threads you stalk me on has failed you, so outright libel now eh? Moron fish took the worm again.

Yes I remember the times before Thatcher Woodsedge, 3 day weeks, blackouts, marxist knuckle draggers and their thug Unions holding the country to ransom, rubbish piling high in the streets and America offering us food parcels because they had dragged us down to some communist cave existence. ( we won't mention about the children and what was going on with labour and their sick friends then either shall we, they're still trying to cover the full extent of that up) Miners blaming Tory's for pit closures when in fact Labour closed more pits than Thatcher ever did (Google it)

Manufacture? Oh you mean those pieces of junk like our cars so shoddily built by work-shy socialists, of the legions waiting for daddy welfare to wipe their backsides that Labour created to make them state dependent and vote-locked., nothing has changed with your kind. Labour waste it all, everyone else has to build us back up again.

Your kind are being starved out once again, that's why your screaming with hate.

Nighty nighty, i'll get a social worker to tuck you and give you your lithium.
Wow, I bet you feel better now you have got that poison spew off your chest! Like I say selective political clock old chap and don't worry about the social worker tucking me in, I am married to one! Have a good night sleep and no bouncing off the rubber walls of the cell!
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broadweybill[/bold] wrote: The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.[/p][/quote]NO public money should be wasted on "Art projects" all the while a single pensioner is sitting cold in their homes unable to pay for their fuel, It was Labour that bankrupted this country, stupidity like the 100's of millions wasted on Art rubbish for their champagne socialist cronies under Labour , much of which now sits idle, like those who scroungers who live off the tax payers grants. Stop all public money being wasted on "fluff" let it earn its own way, your front line services would not be touched if money wasn't still being wasted on such .[/p][/quote]Oh it was all labours fault was it?Nowt to do with the bankers and the worldwide financial banking crisis?[/p][/quote]They was at fault too in many ways but it was Labour that blew all OUR tax money and national wealth.[/p][/quote]The usual far right wing spill and the ability to stop the political clock at the time that best suits their argument. No mention of thatcher turning the country from one that use to manufacture into a services sector built on credit and debt. It doesn't suit the right wing argument as it was thatcher that sold off our council house stock, allowing her friends in the city with the money to charge excessive private rents. And who picks up the majority of tab for private rent, the tax payer. One good thing at least DD isn't banging on about poor hard done by men![/p][/quote]Far right now? Oh well I guess the shaming language and infantile vitriol and hyperbole of the hundreds of threads you stalk me on has failed you, so outright libel now eh? Moron fish took the worm again. Yes I remember the times before Thatcher Woodsedge, 3 day weeks, blackouts, marxist knuckle draggers and their thug Unions holding the country to ransom, rubbish piling high in the streets and America offering us food parcels because they had dragged us down to some communist cave existence. ( we won't mention about the children and what was going on with labour and their sick friends then either shall we, they're still trying to cover the full extent of that up) Miners blaming Tory's for pit closures when in fact Labour closed more pits than Thatcher ever did (Google it) Manufacture? Oh you mean those pieces of junk like our cars so shoddily built by work-shy socialists, of the legions waiting for daddy welfare to wipe their backsides that Labour created to make them state dependent and vote-locked., nothing has changed with your kind. Labour waste it all, everyone else has to build us back up again. Your kind are being starved out once again, that's why your screaming with hate. Nighty nighty, i'll get a social worker to tuck you and give you your lithium.[/p][/quote]Wow, I bet you feel better now you have got that poison spew off your chest! Like I say selective political clock old chap and don't worry about the social worker tucking me in, I am married to one! Have a good night sleep and no bouncing off the rubber walls of the cell! woodsedge
  • Score: 6

6:19am Tue 4 Feb 14

JamesYoung says...

broadweybill wrote:
The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne.

Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.
The ONLY people to blame are Cameron and Osborne? Really?
So all of that debt that was built up between 1997 and 2007 was their fault?
The global financial crisis was their fault?
Come on, cause and effect!!!
[quote][p][bold]broadweybill[/bold] wrote: The cutbacks at the council and the reduction in frontline services and support for arts projects etc is down to one thing, and that is the Coalition government. It's such a shame to see things like the kite festival disappear and the only people to blame are Mr Cameron and Mr Osbourne. Please show your feelings at the ballot box in May 2015, I know I will be.[/p][/quote]The ONLY people to blame are Cameron and Osborne? Really? So all of that debt that was built up between 1997 and 2007 was their fault? The global financial crisis was their fault? Come on, cause and effect!!! JamesYoung
  • Score: 2

7:22am Tue 4 Feb 14

Genghis says...

It didn't take long for this one to get bogged down in the usual name calling and passing the buck exercise.

At least we all have the answer now. It's all the fault of the Tories, socailists, bleeding heart liberals, capitalists, bankers, workers, Europe, the world, and any other scapegoat you would like to name. Well that's all our problems solved then.

I've lived through several governments of various hues. The difference? There is none. They were all blinkered by their own political dogma, whether it worked or not. Solutions offered by other parties were usually ignored as this would have meant admitting a failure in their own world vision. Far better to blame the previous government(s) than admit a present policy is failing or that maybe one particular party doesn't have all the answers.
It didn't take long for this one to get bogged down in the usual name calling and passing the buck exercise. At least we all have the answer now. It's all the fault of the Tories, socailists, bleeding heart liberals, capitalists, bankers, workers, Europe, the world, and any other scapegoat you would like to name. Well that's all our problems solved then. I've lived through several governments of various hues. The difference? There is none. They were all blinkered by their own political dogma, whether it worked or not. Solutions offered by other parties were usually ignored as this would have meant admitting a failure in their own world vision. Far better to blame the previous government(s) than admit a present policy is failing or that maybe one particular party doesn't have all the answers. Genghis
  • Score: 10

9:21am Tue 4 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

Genghis wrote:
It didn't take long for this one to get bogged down in the usual name calling and passing the buck exercise.

At least we all have the answer now. It's all the fault of the Tories, socailists, bleeding heart liberals, capitalists, bankers, workers, Europe, the world, and any other scapegoat you would like to name. Well that's all our problems solved then.

I've lived through several governments of various hues. The difference? There is none. They were all blinkered by their own political dogma, whether it worked or not. Solutions offered by other parties were usually ignored as this would have meant admitting a failure in their own world vision. Far better to blame the previous government(s) than admit a present policy is failing or that maybe one particular party doesn't have all the answers.
Totally agree with you Genghis. That is why I made the point that it is to easy to pause the political clock at a time that suits any particular argument or political view. The truth of the matter is the political system is and has been for some considerable time, broken beyond repair. Until there is a system that serves the people instead of the current one where the people are just political fodder, then we will continue with spin, spin and more spin red, blue, Lib Dem and UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: It didn't take long for this one to get bogged down in the usual name calling and passing the buck exercise. At least we all have the answer now. It's all the fault of the Tories, socailists, bleeding heart liberals, capitalists, bankers, workers, Europe, the world, and any other scapegoat you would like to name. Well that's all our problems solved then. I've lived through several governments of various hues. The difference? There is none. They were all blinkered by their own political dogma, whether it worked or not. Solutions offered by other parties were usually ignored as this would have meant admitting a failure in their own world vision. Far better to blame the previous government(s) than admit a present policy is failing or that maybe one particular party doesn't have all the answers.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you Genghis. That is why I made the point that it is to easy to pause the political clock at a time that suits any particular argument or political view. The truth of the matter is the political system is and has been for some considerable time, broken beyond repair. Until there is a system that serves the people instead of the current one where the people are just political fodder, then we will continue with spin, spin and more spin red, blue, Lib Dem and UKIP. woodsedge
  • Score: 4

11:47am Wed 5 Feb 14

portlandboy says...

codlips wrote:
portlandboy wrote:
Some years ago I posted here that WPBC would eventually end up penniless because they saw fit to sell every money-earning asset they owned. If they didn't sell it, they had an outside company in to 'manage' it.
I don't own a crystal ball or anything like it, but simple economic sense tell you that, once you have sold everything, you have nothing. Nothing produces no income. Then you cannot fund your commitments, so you have to cut back.
You couldn't run any other business like that, so why do they think they can get away with it as a council?
Eerrmmm,they are a public service funded by central government,this government,for four years have slashed their budget by millions and are continuing to do so for the foreseeable future.They have no money.If the tories get in to power again next year you'll be able to have a proper moan then.Everything will be privatised creating cheap labour,the gardens will become a shambles (and the refuge collection,the seafront,our open spaces etc) but the tories and the private company directors wont give toss,said company directors will pay themselves well,the tories will reap in the taxes to line their and their cohorts pockets and the rich will get richer and the poor,well,they're get EVEN poorer.Have you not noticed this already happening in other services?
I agree that there has been a huge pressure put on local authorities by reduced central funding and I totally disagree with the wasy that the Government has cut it's contribution repeatedly without listening. But in Hampshire a local authority is managing to keep it's council tax frozen simply because it invested in property and public attractions some years ago. While the likes of W&PBC were selling things off, which is a once only option, others were investing for their future and are now reaping the rewards. Selling stock and simply spending all the proceeds is a quick-fix, short -term, one-way trip to financial failure and it is now proving to be so.
[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: Some years ago I posted here that WPBC would eventually end up penniless because they saw fit to sell every money-earning asset they owned. If they didn't sell it, they had an outside company in to 'manage' it. I don't own a crystal ball or anything like it, but simple economic sense tell you that, once you have sold everything, you have nothing. Nothing produces no income. Then you cannot fund your commitments, so you have to cut back. You couldn't run any other business like that, so why do they think they can get away with it as a council?[/p][/quote]Eerrmmm,they are a public service funded by central government,this government,for four years have slashed their budget by millions and are continuing to do so for the foreseeable future.They have no money.If the tories get in to power again next year you'll be able to have a proper moan then.Everything will be privatised creating cheap labour,the gardens will become a shambles (and the refuge collection,the seafront,our open spaces etc) but the tories and the private company directors wont give toss,said company directors will pay themselves well,the tories will reap in the taxes to line their and their cohorts pockets and the rich will get richer and the poor,well,they're get EVEN poorer.Have you not noticed this already happening in other services?[/p][/quote]I agree that there has been a huge pressure put on local authorities by reduced central funding and I totally disagree with the wasy that the Government has cut it's contribution repeatedly without listening. But in Hampshire a local authority is managing to keep it's council tax frozen simply because it invested in property and public attractions some years ago. While the likes of W&PBC were selling things off, which is a once only option, others were investing for their future and are now reaping the rewards. Selling stock and simply spending all the proceeds is a quick-fix, short -term, one-way trip to financial failure and it is now proving to be so. portlandboy
  • Score: 1

9:19am Thu 6 Feb 14

leo210856 says...

Its been said by many but until there is a major reform of the councils there is no way the books will ever be made to balance
The dilemma is that the councillors wont ever push for radical reform.
Some will say that we need say W&PBC or WDDC to be separate from DCC to enable democracy or ensure there is some sort of check mechanism in place . That may be a sound argument if there weren't so many individuals that sit on both district and county councils and some even sit on the third tier of local government as well.
Just think of the real savings that could be achieved by merging councils and stripping out one level of representation.
Its been said by many but until there is a major reform of the councils there is no way the books will ever be made to balance The dilemma is that the councillors wont ever push for radical reform. Some will say that we need say W&PBC or WDDC to be separate from DCC to enable democracy or ensure there is some sort of check mechanism in place . That may be a sound argument if there weren't so many individuals that sit on both district and county councils and some even sit on the third tier of local government as well. Just think of the real savings that could be achieved by merging councils and stripping out one level of representation. leo210856
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

JamesYoung says...

leo210856 wrote:
Its been said by many but until there is a major reform of the councils there is no way the books will ever be made to balance
The dilemma is that the councillors wont ever push for radical reform.
Some will say that we need say W&PBC or WDDC to be separate from DCC to enable democracy or ensure there is some sort of check mechanism in place . That may be a sound argument if there weren't so many individuals that sit on both district and county councils and some even sit on the third tier of local government as well.
Just think of the real savings that could be achieved by merging councils and stripping out one level of representation.
I don't think its true to say that there is no reform. I do think that there is a problem with vested interests, since so much employment depends on the public sector in this area. You are quite right that we need to get down to a single layer of government, because these conditions that we see now are not transient. Osborne has done a good job of selling everybody on the idea that we now have economic growth, but the bulk of the electorate don't understand that Britain's fortunes are inextricably linked to what is happening globally, and with talk of another Greek bail out, a second credit crunch (due to exposure of 4 European banks to Asian debt), slow downs in the BRICS countries, etc, etc, we are a long, long way from being on safe ground.
What i think most of us will agree on is that it presently makes no difference which party comes into power. They are all motivated by power only, all deferring to their donors, and all sing the same song about the benefits of high house prices. Anybody who seriously thinks that Labour will do any better than the current bunch is seriously deluded. I had an interesting chat with a Labour canvasser a few months ago - with a straight face, he blamed Thatcher for the housing bubble. Yet Thatcher's motivations were clear - rightly or wrongly, she believed in empowering the common man on the street. Every party since then has sought to impoverish him, intentionally or unintentionally.
[quote][p][bold]leo210856[/bold] wrote: Its been said by many but until there is a major reform of the councils there is no way the books will ever be made to balance The dilemma is that the councillors wont ever push for radical reform. Some will say that we need say W&PBC or WDDC to be separate from DCC to enable democracy or ensure there is some sort of check mechanism in place . That may be a sound argument if there weren't so many individuals that sit on both district and county councils and some even sit on the third tier of local government as well. Just think of the real savings that could be achieved by merging councils and stripping out one level of representation.[/p][/quote]I don't think its true to say that there is no reform. I do think that there is a problem with vested interests, since so much employment depends on the public sector in this area. You are quite right that we need to get down to a single layer of government, because these conditions that we see now are not transient. Osborne has done a good job of selling everybody on the idea that we now have economic growth, but the bulk of the electorate don't understand that Britain's fortunes are inextricably linked to what is happening globally, and with talk of another Greek bail out, a second credit crunch (due to exposure of 4 European banks to Asian debt), slow downs in the BRICS countries, etc, etc, we are a long, long way from being on safe ground. What i think most of us will agree on is that it presently makes no difference which party comes into power. They are all motivated by power only, all deferring to their donors, and all sing the same song about the benefits of high house prices. Anybody who seriously thinks that Labour will do any better than the current bunch is seriously deluded. I had an interesting chat with a Labour canvasser a few months ago - with a straight face, he blamed Thatcher for the housing bubble. Yet Thatcher's motivations were clear - rightly or wrongly, she believed in empowering the common man on the street. Every party since then has sought to impoverish him, intentionally or unintentionally. JamesYoung
  • Score: 0

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