Shocking and shameful – teen gambler who stole from great grandparents jailed

ONLINE GAMBLING: Kieran Lackenby stole from family to fund his habit

ONLINE GAMBLING: Kieran Lackenby stole from family to fund his habit

First published in News Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Dorchester reporter

A TEENAGER who stole thousands of pounds from his elderly great grandparents to fund his online gambling habit has been jailed.

Kieran Reece Lackenby, 18, was sentenced to two years in prison for what a judge described as ‘shocking’ and ‘shameful’ offences that left his relatives, who are in their 90s, broken hearted.

Prosecutor Sadie Rizzo told the court that Lackenby had admitted two offences of theft and a charge of burglary, with the offending beginning when the defendant went to live with his great grandparents at their Weymouth home in September last year.

He said in October it was discovered he had been using his great grandfather’s card for online gambling games, with transactions totalling nearly £2,000.

Lackenby admitted to what he had done and his great grandparents forgave him but the following month his great grandmother discovered her card had been taken and when she contacted her bank found online transactions had taken place totalling over £900.

The card had also been used to withdraw £300 in cash and £81.76 had been spent at various establishments.

The matter was reported to the police and Lackenby was interviewed and made admissions but again he was forgiven by his great grandparents after he offered to help around the house by way of recompense.

However, it later emerged that between December 9 and December 17 Lackenby had repeatedly taken his great grandmother’s card from her purse in the early hours and gone out to withdraw cash, with the withdrawals totalling £1,600.

The matter was again referred to the police but Lackenby failed to attend for a non custodial interview.

His great grandfather said about the offences: “I feel sick to my stomach, he had betrayed us completely.

“It breaks my heart he could do this to us.”

Lackenby, of Cromwell Road, Weymouth, eventually surrendered himself to police on January 3 this year but while on bail for the original offences of theft he broke into his grandparents house on the night of January 12 and stole his great grandmother’s card again before going to a cash point and withdrawing £200.

Christopher Gair, mitigating, said his client – who had no previous convictions – had turned to gaming machines at a young age and was kicked out of his family home as a result of his habit.

He said: “Kieran Lackenby is an immature 18-year-old man who has an illness of the 21st century and that illness is an addiction to these gaming sites.”

Judge Roger Jarvis told the defendant: “It really is shocking to hear how it is that your great grandparents, both in their 90s, elderly and vulnerable, forgave you and you abused their trust again and again.”

‘An increasing problem’

FIGURES released by gambling advice service GamCare show that online gambling is becoming an increasing problem for younger people.

Last year the service revealed the number of 18 to 35-year-olds contacting its advice service had risen for a third year in a row, with more than 60 per cent of calls coming from that age group.

A total of 8.813 people contacted the charity over the 12 months, with the charity saying smartphone and online betting had played a major part in the rise of young people developing gambling problems.

Anyone who needs advice on gambling issues can visit gamcare.org.uk or call the helpline on 0808 8020 133.

GamCare has also launched a website, bigdeal.org.uk, which is specifically designed to educate young people aged between 12 and 18 about the risks of gambling and offer advice and support.

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10:56am Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 10

12:23pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support ? I would be interested to know if this is a family or single parent household ?

Meanwhile in the news at the same time i see a young Female did the exact same crime but stole a massive Thirty five thousand pounds life savings from her wheelchair-bound 89 year old dementia suffering Grandmother so she could buy designer clothes. She then threatens her parents with a knife when caught.......

She only gets 12 months!

Misandry at work again.
He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support ? I would be interested to know if this is a family or single parent household ? Meanwhile in the news at the same time i see a young Female did the exact same crime but stole a massive Thirty five thousand pounds life savings from her wheelchair-bound 89 year old dementia suffering Grandmother so she could buy designer clothes. She then threatens her parents with a knife when caught....... She only gets 12 months! Misandry at work again. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 23

1:36pm Sat 8 Feb 14

blue78 says...

Well a bit of a contradiction there don't you think? "A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about" but yet you feel the need to comment and criticize his family life when you know nothing other than what's in this report. I know this family and have done for over 20 years and it doesn't matter how well you've bought your children up you can't control what they do later down the line, all you can do is deal with the situation the best way you know how. I know that this is not the way Kieran was bought up but it happened and no amount of people with their opinions will change this the only thing you are doing is causing more heartache :(
Well a bit of a contradiction there don't you think? "A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about" but yet you feel the need to comment and criticize his family life when you know nothing other than what's in this report. I know this family and have done for over 20 years and it doesn't matter how well you've bought your children up you can't control what they do later down the line, all you can do is deal with the situation the best way you know how. I know that this is not the way Kieran was bought up but it happened and no amount of people with their opinions will change this the only thing you are doing is causing more heartache :( blue78
  • Score: 12

2:03pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

blue78 wrote:
Well a bit of a contradiction there don't you think? "A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about" but yet you feel the need to comment and criticize his family life when you know nothing other than what's in this report. I know this family and have done for over 20 years and it doesn't matter how well you've bought your children up you can't control what they do later down the line, all you can do is deal with the situation the best way you know how. I know that this is not the way Kieran was bought up but it happened and no amount of people with their opinions will change this the only thing you are doing is causing more heartache :(
While I respect your opinion, kicking the lad out of the house when he has an addictive problem is no answer is it, neither is jailing him for an excessive Two years on a "first offence" an answer either! Would they have done the same if it had been an 18 year old Daughter?

The reason so many young men are going off the line is the way society and people in general treat them, useful when they are being good drones, a disposable asset or a nuisance the minute they have a problem or need help.

Get the lad some proper help.
[quote][p][bold]blue78[/bold] wrote: Well a bit of a contradiction there don't you think? "A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about" but yet you feel the need to comment and criticize his family life when you know nothing other than what's in this report. I know this family and have done for over 20 years and it doesn't matter how well you've bought your children up you can't control what they do later down the line, all you can do is deal with the situation the best way you know how. I know that this is not the way Kieran was bought up but it happened and no amount of people with their opinions will change this the only thing you are doing is causing more heartache :([/p][/quote]While I respect your opinion, kicking the lad out of the house when he has an addictive problem is no answer is it, neither is jailing him for an excessive Two years on a "first offence" an answer either! Would they have done the same if it had been an 18 year old Daughter? The reason so many young men are going off the line is the way society and people in general treat them, useful when they are being good drones, a disposable asset or a nuisance the minute they have a problem or need help. Get the lad some proper help. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 4

2:09pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tinkywinky1 says...

You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course!
You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course! Tinkywinky1
  • Score: 9

2:24pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

He was not kicked out because of his 'gambling addiction' and he comes from a very loving family who have all been devastated by what he has one. But of course - anything written in a newspaper MUST be true and there couldn't possibly be any more to it.
He was not kicked out because of his 'gambling addiction' and he comes from a very loving family who have all been devastated by what he has one. But of course - anything written in a newspaper MUST be true and there couldn't possibly be any more to it. Tish92
  • Score: 12

2:26pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

*done
*done Tish92
  • Score: 2

2:30pm Sat 8 Feb 14

carlospicywiener says...

Kieran was not kicked out because of his gaming addiction. Do you think cash withdrawals are for online gaming?
ALL of his family tried to help him again and again, but once he became an adult, there's only so much you can do(you can lead a horse to water etc).... And why do some people assume single parent? A single parent can't bring up well behaved children? It's easy to judge if you don't know, we've all been guilty of it, but don't assume to know the facts. Believe it or not, even papers don't get everything 100% right.
Kieran was not kicked out because of his gaming addiction. Do you think cash withdrawals are for online gaming? ALL of his family tried to help him again and again, but once he became an adult, there's only so much you can do(you can lead a horse to water etc).... And why do some people assume single parent? A single parent can't bring up well behaved children? It's easy to judge if you don't know, we've all been guilty of it, but don't assume to know the facts. Believe it or not, even papers don't get everything 100% right. carlospicywiener
  • Score: 10

2:38pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Tinkywinky1 wrote:
You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course!
I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time.

I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.
[quote][p][bold]Tinkywinky1[/bold] wrote: You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course![/p][/quote]I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time. I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 6

2:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

carlospicywiener says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Tinkywinky1 wrote:
You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course!
I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time.

I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.
I agree that people need help but what do you do when they refuse to accept they have any kind of a problem, won't talk to professionals and are over 18?
As I have said, if you read mine again. He was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. He was also supported by his entire family... Parents, Grandparents, Great Grandparents, etc etc they put up with more than most would. Unfortunately, there are no easy or clear cut answers.
There is only so much you can do for people without actually living their life for them!
It's just very sad.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinkywinky1[/bold] wrote: You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course![/p][/quote]I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time. I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.[/p][/quote]I agree that people need help but what do you do when they refuse to accept they have any kind of a problem, won't talk to professionals and are over 18? As I have said, if you read mine again. He was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. He was also supported by his entire family... Parents, Grandparents, Great Grandparents, etc etc they put up with more than most would. Unfortunately, there are no easy or clear cut answers. There is only so much you can do for people without actually living their life for them! It's just very sad. carlospicywiener
  • Score: 16

2:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

armoriem says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it. armoriem
  • Score: 23

3:14pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway.

Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake.
[quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway. Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 4

3:44pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Schrodinger's Cat says...

armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper.
I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.
[quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with. Schrodinger's Cat
  • Score: 7

3:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper.
I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.
A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself.

The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.
[quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.[/p][/quote]A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation.
'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation. Tish92
  • Score: 4

4:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Tish92 wrote:
'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation.
I'm not the one who keeps dragging his parents back into it, the likes of you are the ones who are doing that, I gave but one sentence to that as a question . I was more intent on discussing the sentencing, the treatment of boys by the state, the gender discrimination by courts and an opinion on dealing with such problems.
[quote][p][bold]Tish92[/bold] wrote: 'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation.[/p][/quote]I'm not the one who keeps dragging his parents back into it, the likes of you are the ones who are doing that, I gave but one sentence to that as a question . I was more intent on discussing the sentencing, the treatment of boys by the state, the gender discrimination by courts and an opinion on dealing with such problems. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -1

5:27pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

If you'd have stuck to what you actually knew rather than trying to gossip no one would have responded and you wouldn't have various people (who know what they're talking about) correcting you. 'The likes of me' being a member of this family who hoped that people would have the decency not to post stupid and thoughtless comments.
If you'd have stuck to what you actually knew rather than trying to gossip no one would have responded and you wouldn't have various people (who know what they're talking about) correcting you. 'The likes of me' being a member of this family who hoped that people would have the decency not to post stupid and thoughtless comments. Tish92
  • Score: 8

5:28pm Sat 8 Feb 14

123klh456 says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Tish92 wrote:
'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation.
I'm not the one who keeps dragging his parents back into it, the likes of you are the ones who are doing that, I gave but one sentence to that as a question . I was more intent on discussing the sentencing, the treatment of boys by the state, the gender discrimination by courts and an opinion on dealing with such problems.
You brought it up in the first place, if you were more intent on commenting about the sentencing then don't comment on the family situation, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because most of what you have said has been incorrect, What Kieran has done is wrong, you have no idea why he was kicked out, the newspaper wasn't going to tell you everything, just what was relevant to the story and makes good reading. he has a massively loving & close family, always has had.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tish92[/bold] wrote: 'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation.[/p][/quote]I'm not the one who keeps dragging his parents back into it, the likes of you are the ones who are doing that, I gave but one sentence to that as a question . I was more intent on discussing the sentencing, the treatment of boys by the state, the gender discrimination by courts and an opinion on dealing with such problems.[/p][/quote]You brought it up in the first place, if you were more intent on commenting about the sentencing then don't comment on the family situation, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about because most of what you have said has been incorrect, What Kieran has done is wrong, you have no idea why he was kicked out, the newspaper wasn't going to tell you everything, just what was relevant to the story and makes good reading. he has a massively loving & close family, always has had. 123klh456
  • Score: 7

5:31pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

I'll leave you lot to Mumsnet and jeremy Kyle.
I'll leave you lot to Mumsnet and jeremy Kyle. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -8

5:41pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

Hopefully that will be the last of the keyboard warrior. Sad really he was so invested on commenting on a story he had no connection to on a Saturday afternoon.
Hopefully that will be the last of the keyboard warrior. Sad really he was so invested on commenting on a story he had no connection to on a Saturday afternoon. Tish92
  • Score: 2

5:51pm Sat 8 Feb 14

JurassicCoast says...

Thoughts are with friends and family. That David needs to find himself a hobby.
Thoughts are with friends and family. That David needs to find himself a hobby. JurassicCoast
  • Score: 9

5:56pm Sat 8 Feb 14

mumsnuffkn says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support ? I would be interested to know if this is a family or single parent household ?

Meanwhile in the news at the same time i see a young Female did the exact same crime but stole a massive Thirty five thousand pounds life savings from her wheelchair-bound 89 year old dementia suffering Grandmother so she could buy designer clothes. She then threatens her parents with a knife when caught.......

She only gets 12 months!

Misandry at work again.
You are entitled to your opinions David but you do not know his parents. They are wonderful people who dearly love their son and have been very supportive toward him only to have him throw it all back in their face and have suffered so much through his actions and behaviour toward them and the rest of his family. There is also more to the story, he has stolen from myself and my family (and others I have recently discovered)
after I had him stay round for Christmas, only to later realise he was hiding from the police at the time. His poor mum was at her wits end & been through a terrible time because of him. If you knew him, your opinion would be very different. If he had not been sentenced he would have carried on hurting people, betraying their trust & stealing from them & may well have come to a sticky end. Hopefully when he comes out he will have realised he needs to change his ways if he is to have any chance of a good future ahead of him.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support ? I would be interested to know if this is a family or single parent household ? Meanwhile in the news at the same time i see a young Female did the exact same crime but stole a massive Thirty five thousand pounds life savings from her wheelchair-bound 89 year old dementia suffering Grandmother so she could buy designer clothes. She then threatens her parents with a knife when caught....... She only gets 12 months! Misandry at work again.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to your opinions David but you do not know his parents. They are wonderful people who dearly love their son and have been very supportive toward him only to have him throw it all back in their face and have suffered so much through his actions and behaviour toward them and the rest of his family. There is also more to the story, he has stolen from myself and my family (and others I have recently discovered) after I had him stay round for Christmas, only to later realise he was hiding from the police at the time. His poor mum was at her wits end & been through a terrible time because of him. If you knew him, your opinion would be very different. If he had not been sentenced he would have carried on hurting people, betraying their trust & stealing from them & may well have come to a sticky end. Hopefully when he comes out he will have realised he needs to change his ways if he is to have any chance of a good future ahead of him. mumsnuffkn
  • Score: 16

6:16pm Sat 8 Feb 14

mumsnuffkn says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support ? I would be interested to know if this is a family or single parent household ?

Meanwhile in the news at the same time i see a young Female did the exact same crime but stole a massive Thirty five thousand pounds life savings from her wheelchair-bound 89 year old dementia suffering Grandmother so she could buy designer clothes. She then threatens her parents with a knife when caught.......

She only gets 12 months!

Misandry at work again.
You are entitled to your opinion David but you do not know him or his parents and are making assumptions here & how on earth would being from a single parent family make a difference? You are been very biased & offensive toward single parent families. As it happens, his parents are wonderful, hard working, caring parents who love him dearly & have been very supportive to their son, only to have him throw it all back in their faces & have suffered so much through his actions & behavior toward them and other family members. He has also stolen from myself and my family (and others I have recently found out) after I had him stay at my home over Christmas. That is the kind of lad he is, your opinion would be very different if you knew him and his lovely parents. If he had not been sentenced, he would have carried on hurting people, betraying their kindness & trust by stealing from them & may well have come to a sticky end if he'd picked on the wrong one eventually. Hopefully when he comes out of prison he will have realised how very selfish & wrong he has been & will change his ways. If not, there is no happy future ahead for him or his future victims.
As for this female you mention that got a lesser sentence, yes I do agree with you on that, 12 months was too lenient.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support ? I would be interested to know if this is a family or single parent household ? Meanwhile in the news at the same time i see a young Female did the exact same crime but stole a massive Thirty five thousand pounds life savings from her wheelchair-bound 89 year old dementia suffering Grandmother so she could buy designer clothes. She then threatens her parents with a knife when caught....... She only gets 12 months! Misandry at work again.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to your opinion David but you do not know him or his parents and are making assumptions here & how on earth would being from a single parent family make a difference? You are been very biased & offensive toward single parent families. As it happens, his parents are wonderful, hard working, caring parents who love him dearly & have been very supportive to their son, only to have him throw it all back in their faces & have suffered so much through his actions & behavior toward them and other family members. He has also stolen from myself and my family (and others I have recently found out) after I had him stay at my home over Christmas. That is the kind of lad he is, your opinion would be very different if you knew him and his lovely parents. If he had not been sentenced, he would have carried on hurting people, betraying their kindness & trust by stealing from them & may well have come to a sticky end if he'd picked on the wrong one eventually. Hopefully when he comes out of prison he will have realised how very selfish & wrong he has been & will change his ways. If not, there is no happy future ahead for him or his future victims. As for this female you mention that got a lesser sentence, yes I do agree with you on that, 12 months was too lenient. mumsnuffkn
  • Score: 13

6:18pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Vivacious Nutcase says...

There was no gambling addiction. Infact that is a perversion of the course of justice. Heart goes out to his mother who I hear is absolutely devastated and clearly tried her best and shouldn't beat herself up over the ill deeds of her son. When anyone reaches adulthood they accept the consequences of their actions, they know what will get you into trouble and what will earn them the kudos of being a good civilian. What is absolute gold are some of the comments on here from people who assume to know certain things and go by exactly what the media is telling them. Open your eyes small minded folk of weymouth and for once 'see the bigger picture'. He was able to lie quite effectively about where he got his money from and was also hiding from the police without anyone knowing that he was even in this predicament. Heart also goes out to his poor great grandparents who clearly worked very hard for their pension.
There was no gambling addiction. Infact that is a perversion of the course of justice. Heart goes out to his mother who I hear is absolutely devastated and clearly tried her best and shouldn't beat herself up over the ill deeds of her son. When anyone reaches adulthood they accept the consequences of their actions, they know what will get you into trouble and what will earn them the kudos of being a good civilian. What is absolute gold are some of the comments on here from people who assume to know certain things and go by exactly what the media is telling them. Open your eyes small minded folk of weymouth and for once 'see the bigger picture'. He was able to lie quite effectively about where he got his money from and was also hiding from the police without anyone knowing that he was even in this predicament. Heart also goes out to his poor great grandparents who clearly worked very hard for their pension. Vivacious Nutcase
  • Score: 14

6:39pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Vivacious Nutcase wrote:
There was no gambling addiction. Infact that is a perversion of the course of justice. Heart goes out to his mother who I hear is absolutely devastated and clearly tried her best and shouldn't beat herself up over the ill deeds of her son. When anyone reaches adulthood they accept the consequences of their actions, they know what will get you into trouble and what will earn them the kudos of being a good civilian. What is absolute gold are some of the comments on here from people who assume to know certain things and go by exactly what the media is telling them. Open your eyes small minded folk of weymouth and for once 'see the bigger picture'. He was able to lie quite effectively about where he got his money from and was also hiding from the police without anyone knowing that he was even in this predicament. Heart also goes out to his poor great grandparents who clearly worked very hard for their pension.
Interesting. So is the lawyer lying, the prosecution incompetent or the Echo making it up?
[quote][p][bold]Vivacious Nutcase[/bold] wrote: There was no gambling addiction. Infact that is a perversion of the course of justice. Heart goes out to his mother who I hear is absolutely devastated and clearly tried her best and shouldn't beat herself up over the ill deeds of her son. When anyone reaches adulthood they accept the consequences of their actions, they know what will get you into trouble and what will earn them the kudos of being a good civilian. What is absolute gold are some of the comments on here from people who assume to know certain things and go by exactly what the media is telling them. Open your eyes small minded folk of weymouth and for once 'see the bigger picture'. He was able to lie quite effectively about where he got his money from and was also hiding from the police without anyone knowing that he was even in this predicament. Heart also goes out to his poor great grandparents who clearly worked very hard for their pension.[/p][/quote]Interesting. So is the lawyer lying, the prosecution incompetent or the Echo making it up? David_divenghy2
  • Score: -3

6:43pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

Kieran lied.
Kieran lied. Tish92
  • Score: 5

6:51pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Equilibrium says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway.

Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake.
The story quite clearly describes 4 separate acts of theft/burglary from vulnerable elderly relatives, including breaking into their home whilst they slept, whilst on bail. The sentence passed is not one for a first time offence then, is it? How else do you protect vulnerable elderly victims from somebody who has repeatedly targetted them despite the threat of ongoing Police action and bail hanging over him? Stats can be made to look however the author choses, to suit their agenda - but even if they are factually correct, basing assumptions on 70% is shortsighted and quite frankly insulting to those affected by the lad's actions. Your mistake was not making a general statement regarding society's problems - but making this personal and then using generalisations to underpin your argument against an individual set of circumstances you know very little about.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway. Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake.[/p][/quote]The story quite clearly describes 4 separate acts of theft/burglary from vulnerable elderly relatives, including breaking into their home whilst they slept, whilst on bail. The sentence passed is not one for a first time offence then, is it? How else do you protect vulnerable elderly victims from somebody who has repeatedly targetted them despite the threat of ongoing Police action and bail hanging over him? Stats can be made to look however the author choses, to suit their agenda - but even if they are factually correct, basing assumptions on 70% is shortsighted and quite frankly insulting to those affected by the lad's actions. Your mistake was not making a general statement regarding society's problems - but making this personal and then using generalisations to underpin your argument against an individual set of circumstances you know very little about. Equilibrium
  • Score: 9

6:53pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Vivacious Nutcase says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Vivacious Nutcase wrote:
There was no gambling addiction. Infact that is a perversion of the course of justice. Heart goes out to his mother who I hear is absolutely devastated and clearly tried her best and shouldn't beat herself up over the ill deeds of her son. When anyone reaches adulthood they accept the consequences of their actions, they know what will get you into trouble and what will earn them the kudos of being a good civilian. What is absolute gold are some of the comments on here from people who assume to know certain things and go by exactly what the media is telling them. Open your eyes small minded folk of weymouth and for once 'see the bigger picture'. He was able to lie quite effectively about where he got his money from and was also hiding from the police without anyone knowing that he was even in this predicament. Heart also goes out to his poor great grandparents who clearly worked very hard for their pension.
Interesting. So is the lawyer lying, the prosecution incompetent or the Echo making it up?
Well basically all 3 of them, the system is incompetent and I have proof of that. The echo makes up a 'story' (notice how every headline is referred to as a story and not a solid fact) again incompetence and something I know for a fact. And lawyers? Lying? Never, it's only in their f***ing job description. Nothing is fact, we're hearing the side that those in power want us to hear. Don't be put to sleep people as that is what makes us more easily controlled, As well as a lack of serious intelligence in some areas. If you didn't know that then congratulations and welcome to the possibility of living life with your eyes WIDE open.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vivacious Nutcase[/bold] wrote: There was no gambling addiction. Infact that is a perversion of the course of justice. Heart goes out to his mother who I hear is absolutely devastated and clearly tried her best and shouldn't beat herself up over the ill deeds of her son. When anyone reaches adulthood they accept the consequences of their actions, they know what will get you into trouble and what will earn them the kudos of being a good civilian. What is absolute gold are some of the comments on here from people who assume to know certain things and go by exactly what the media is telling them. Open your eyes small minded folk of weymouth and for once 'see the bigger picture'. He was able to lie quite effectively about where he got his money from and was also hiding from the police without anyone knowing that he was even in this predicament. Heart also goes out to his poor great grandparents who clearly worked very hard for their pension.[/p][/quote]Interesting. So is the lawyer lying, the prosecution incompetent or the Echo making it up?[/p][/quote]Well basically all 3 of them, the system is incompetent and I have proof of that. The echo makes up a 'story' (notice how every headline is referred to as a story and not a solid fact) again incompetence and something I know for a fact. And lawyers? Lying? Never, it's only in their f***ing job description. Nothing is fact, we're hearing the side that those in power want us to hear. Don't be put to sleep people as that is what makes us more easily controlled, As well as a lack of serious intelligence in some areas. If you didn't know that then congratulations and welcome to the possibility of living life with your eyes WIDE open. Vivacious Nutcase
  • Score: 11

6:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Tish92 wrote:
Kieran lied.
Oh? I only ask after that comment because it says in the article, " He said in October it was discovered he had been using his great grandfather’s card for online gambling games" ?

So is the Prosecution making it up or is the Echo lying?
[quote][p][bold]Tish92[/bold] wrote: Kieran lied.[/p][/quote]Oh? I only ask after that comment because it says in the article, " He said in October it was discovered he had been using his great grandfather’s card for online gambling games" ? So is the Prosecution making it up or is the Echo lying? David_divenghy2
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Equilibrium wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway.

Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake.
The story quite clearly describes 4 separate acts of theft/burglary from vulnerable elderly relatives, including breaking into their home whilst they slept, whilst on bail. The sentence passed is not one for a first time offence then, is it? How else do you protect vulnerable elderly victims from somebody who has repeatedly targetted them despite the threat of ongoing Police action and bail hanging over him? Stats can be made to look however the author choses, to suit their agenda - but even if they are factually correct, basing assumptions on 70% is shortsighted and quite frankly insulting to those affected by the lad's actions. Your mistake was not making a general statement regarding society's problems - but making this personal and then using generalisations to underpin your argument against an individual set of circumstances you know very little about.
So you too are also now claiming the Lawyer is lying or the Echo about previous? This is getting interesting.....
[quote][p][bold]Equilibrium[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway. Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake.[/p][/quote]The story quite clearly describes 4 separate acts of theft/burglary from vulnerable elderly relatives, including breaking into their home whilst they slept, whilst on bail. The sentence passed is not one for a first time offence then, is it? How else do you protect vulnerable elderly victims from somebody who has repeatedly targetted them despite the threat of ongoing Police action and bail hanging over him? Stats can be made to look however the author choses, to suit their agenda - but even if they are factually correct, basing assumptions on 70% is shortsighted and quite frankly insulting to those affected by the lad's actions. Your mistake was not making a general statement regarding society's problems - but making this personal and then using generalisations to underpin your argument against an individual set of circumstances you know very little about.[/p][/quote]So you too are also now claiming the Lawyer is lying or the Echo about previous? This is getting interesting..... David_divenghy2
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

He used the card for a variety of things, very few of the details are written here just those that are most shocking. That is just the nature of journalism, don't take it all as fact. The lies were clearly seen through as the prosecution got their conviction.
He used the card for a variety of things, very few of the details are written here just those that are most shocking. That is just the nature of journalism, don't take it all as fact. The lies were clearly seen through as the prosecution got their conviction. Tish92
  • Score: 15

7:21pm Sat 8 Feb 14

carlospicywiener says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Tish92 wrote:
Kieran lied.
Oh? I only ask after that comment because it says in the article, " He said in October it was discovered he had been using his great grandfather’s card for online gambling games" ?

So is the Prosecution making it up or is the Echo lying?
The prosecution got it wrong, trust me. Some gaming but no gambling. Either, the Echo misheard/misread or because there was a guilty plea, neither lawyer is going to go too deep into it even though the details were sitting infront of the lawyers as to exactly where money was spent. Maybe they didn't check the websites out, they just took his word (because a judge can be more leniant with a known addiction rather than calculated selfish actions)
I appreciate you are going by what was written, but as people have said... Papers don't always get things right and you don't know the details. I do and now, you know a bit more too.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tish92[/bold] wrote: Kieran lied.[/p][/quote]Oh? I only ask after that comment because it says in the article, " He said in October it was discovered he had been using his great grandfather’s card for online gambling games" ? So is the Prosecution making it up or is the Echo lying?[/p][/quote]The prosecution got it wrong, trust me. Some gaming but no gambling. Either, the Echo misheard/misread or because there was a guilty plea, neither lawyer is going to go too deep into it even though the details were sitting infront of the lawyers as to exactly where money was spent. Maybe they didn't check the websites out, they just took his word (because a judge can be more leniant with a known addiction rather than calculated selfish actions) I appreciate you are going by what was written, but as people have said... Papers don't always get things right and you don't know the details. I do and now, you know a bit more too. carlospicywiener
  • Score: 8

7:34pm Sat 8 Feb 14

carlospicywiener says...

David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour. carlospicywiener
  • Score: 10

7:42pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
[quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -9

7:45pm Sat 8 Feb 14

lottielozi says...

i myself got kicked out of my house at 16 i am a female yet it was the kick up the backside that i needed, i do not blame the parents for kicking him out some times there is nothing a parent can do specially when they have younger children to think about. i havnt been to prison i got my self somewhere to live got a job and learnt to be an adult. its quite clear that he may have been to influenced by video games or peers, or had some sort of issue. How could anyone blame the parents that like saying a very normal loving family who raised there child just like anyone else and he turns into a murder its the parents fault, NO we choice to be who we are he clearly had chances to change but couldn't and instead of getting the boy help in the 1st place no they send him on his way he need help professional help prison will just make things worse.

and previously being a single mum i took offence to the comment at the top being a single mum doesn't not differ to being a family people need to know facts not just what some reporter thinks i didn't realize he knew the ins and outs of the family
i myself got kicked out of my house at 16 i am a female yet it was the kick up the backside that i needed, i do not blame the parents for kicking him out some times there is nothing a parent can do specially when they have younger children to think about. i havnt been to prison i got my self somewhere to live got a job and learnt to be an adult. its quite clear that he may have been to influenced by video games or peers, or had some sort of issue. How could anyone blame the parents that like saying a very normal loving family who raised there child just like anyone else and he turns into a murder its the parents fault, NO we choice to be who we are he clearly had chances to change but couldn't and instead of getting the boy help in the 1st place no they send him on his way he need help professional help prison will just make things worse. and previously being a single mum i took offence to the comment at the top being a single mum doesn't not differ to being a family people need to know facts not just what some reporter thinks i didn't realize he knew the ins and outs of the family lottielozi
  • Score: 8

7:51pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

lottielozi wrote:
i myself got kicked out of my house at 16 i am a female yet it was the kick up the backside that i needed, i do not blame the parents for kicking him out some times there is nothing a parent can do specially when they have younger children to think about. i havnt been to prison i got my self somewhere to live got a job and learnt to be an adult. its quite clear that he may have been to influenced by video games or peers, or had some sort of issue. How could anyone blame the parents that like saying a very normal loving family who raised there child just like anyone else and he turns into a murder its the parents fault, NO we choice to be who we are he clearly had chances to change but couldn't and instead of getting the boy help in the 1st place no they send him on his way he need help professional help prison will just make things worse.

and previously being a single mum i took offence to the comment at the top being a single mum doesn't not differ to being a family people need to know facts not just what some reporter thinks i didn't realize he knew the ins and outs of the family
Always one late-comer who does not bother reading all the comments. . I suggest you check the official stats, while i agree it is not always the case, it is the case that it nearly always is. The facts prove support it, the numbers I already posted.
[quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: i myself got kicked out of my house at 16 i am a female yet it was the kick up the backside that i needed, i do not blame the parents for kicking him out some times there is nothing a parent can do specially when they have younger children to think about. i havnt been to prison i got my self somewhere to live got a job and learnt to be an adult. its quite clear that he may have been to influenced by video games or peers, or had some sort of issue. How could anyone blame the parents that like saying a very normal loving family who raised there child just like anyone else and he turns into a murder its the parents fault, NO we choice to be who we are he clearly had chances to change but couldn't and instead of getting the boy help in the 1st place no they send him on his way he need help professional help prison will just make things worse. and previously being a single mum i took offence to the comment at the top being a single mum doesn't not differ to being a family people need to know facts not just what some reporter thinks i didn't realize he knew the ins and outs of the family[/p][/quote]Always one late-comer who does not bother reading all the comments. . I suggest you check the official stats, while i agree it is not always the case, it is the case that it nearly always is. The facts prove support it, the numbers I already posted. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -6

7:54pm Sat 8 Feb 14

lottielozi says...

and may i add it isnt always the mothers fault they are a single mum thats like saying a women who was married for 4 years had a child and they broke up meaning she became a single mum sorry but i think bringing that into it is obviously coming from someone who has never made a mistake never been out of line and a clearly paints everyone this the same brush
and may i add it isnt always the mothers fault they are a single mum thats like saying a women who was married for 4 years had a child and they broke up meaning she became a single mum sorry but i think bringing that into it is obviously coming from someone who has never made a mistake never been out of line and a clearly paints everyone this the same brush lottielozi
  • Score: 10

7:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

lottielozi says...

no david i read it all and i know this boy he was a lovely young boy who was unfortunately pulled toward gambling and other things which them seem to have left out of the paper they also left out that he has younger siblings so i think his parents where in the right he was an adult and they had to protect there younger children
no david i read it all and i know this boy he was a lovely young boy who was unfortunately pulled toward gambling and other things which them seem to have left out of the paper they also left out that he has younger siblings so i think his parents where in the right he was an adult and they had to protect there younger children lottielozi
  • Score: 10

7:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

TomTheWhyGuy says...

I would assume these 'online gambling games' would be in actual fact typical video games with an in-game purchasable content element to them. Whether this constitutes gambling (as some of these games are very much regulated by randomly allocated virtual items and varied, indefinite content distribution) is a matter of semantics. As for using the money for more than simply fuelling this 'gambling addiction' I can attest to knowing that the stolen money was used for a whole host of other things beyond just 'gambling'. While his sentence may seem harsh considering the reporting of this as his 'first offence' more people than only the grandparents were stolen from or forced into difficult financial situations as a direct consequence of his actions. I hope the reality and consequence of his actions will help enable and accommodate a reformation of his behaviour, for the sake of himself and all those involved.
I would assume these 'online gambling games' would be in actual fact typical video games with an in-game purchasable content element to them. Whether this constitutes gambling (as some of these games are very much regulated by randomly allocated virtual items and varied, indefinite content distribution) is a matter of semantics. As for using the money for more than simply fuelling this 'gambling addiction' I can attest to knowing that the stolen money was used for a whole host of other things beyond just 'gambling'. While his sentence may seem harsh considering the reporting of this as his 'first offence' more people than only the grandparents were stolen from or forced into difficult financial situations as a direct consequence of his actions. I hope the reality and consequence of his actions will help enable and accommodate a reformation of his behaviour, for the sake of himself and all those involved. TomTheWhyGuy
  • Score: 14

8:00pm Sat 8 Feb 14

carlospicywiener says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey.
It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case.
People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin
g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts?
Either you are too stubborn to stop
Too stupid to realise
Or, heartless enough to keep it up!
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.[/p][/quote]Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey. It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case. People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts? Either you are too stubborn to stop Too stupid to realise Or, heartless enough to keep it up! carlospicywiener
  • Score: 14

8:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

lottielozi wrote:
and may i add it isnt always the mothers fault they are a single mum thats like saying a women who was married for 4 years had a child and they broke up meaning she became a single mum sorry but i think bringing that into it is obviously coming from someone who has never made a mistake never been out of line and a clearly paints everyone this the same brush
I agree with that first bit, have I said otherwise? The facts are the facts, 70% of juvenile offenders come from single parent homes, 96% of those single parents are mothers. In turn you claim the other is making suppositions, then do the same yourself.
[quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: and may i add it isnt always the mothers fault they are a single mum thats like saying a women who was married for 4 years had a child and they broke up meaning she became a single mum sorry but i think bringing that into it is obviously coming from someone who has never made a mistake never been out of line and a clearly paints everyone this the same brush[/p][/quote]I agree with that first bit, have I said otherwise? The facts are the facts, 70% of juvenile offenders come from single parent homes, 96% of those single parents are mothers. In turn you claim the other is making suppositions, then do the same yourself. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -6

8:05pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

carlospicywiener wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey.
It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case.
People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin

g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts?
Either you are too stubborn to stop
Too stupid to realise
Or, heartless enough to keep it up!
Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?
[quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.[/p][/quote]Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey. It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case. People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts? Either you are too stubborn to stop Too stupid to realise Or, heartless enough to keep it up![/p][/quote]Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.? David_divenghy2
  • Score: -6

8:14pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Equilibrium says...

David. There is a difference between 1st time offences and first time convictions. He was convicted of 2 separate thefts and 1 count of burglary. This is not one conviction for one offence. It also involves repeatedly targetting vulnerable victims, who tried to help him - whilst on bail. This increases the gravity of circumstances that simply have to be taken into conseration when passing sentence. You hide behind your generalisations whilst knowing very little about the background behind this or how the law works. Give it a rest.
David. There is a difference between 1st time offences and first time convictions. He was convicted of 2 separate thefts and 1 count of burglary. This is not one conviction for one offence. It also involves repeatedly targetting vulnerable victims, who tried to help him - whilst on bail. This increases the gravity of circumstances that simply have to be taken into conseration when passing sentence. You hide behind your generalisations whilst knowing very little about the background behind this or how the law works. Give it a rest. Equilibrium
  • Score: 5

8:18pm Sat 8 Feb 14

lottielozi says...

david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family lottielozi
  • Score: 5

8:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Equilibrium wrote:
David. There is a difference between 1st time offences and first time convictions. He was convicted of 2 separate thefts and 1 count of burglary. This is not one conviction for one offence. It also involves repeatedly targetting vulnerable victims, who tried to help him - whilst on bail. This increases the gravity of circumstances that simply have to be taken into conseration when passing sentence. You hide behind your generalisations whilst knowing very little about the background behind this or how the law works. Give it a rest.
I am well ware of what constitutes prior convictions and how they are taking when sentencing, that is why based on the report that this was his first conviction, I was surprised of the sentence for that.

Other offences are not convictions until tried and found guilty, you are right of course the number and nature of those offences will make a difference to sentencing but I am still surprised at its length, especially when you consider the gravity of the offence the young lady did that was the same but involved violence and 35k but she got 100% less sentence.
[quote][p][bold]Equilibrium[/bold] wrote: David. There is a difference between 1st time offences and first time convictions. He was convicted of 2 separate thefts and 1 count of burglary. This is not one conviction for one offence. It also involves repeatedly targetting vulnerable victims, who tried to help him - whilst on bail. This increases the gravity of circumstances that simply have to be taken into conseration when passing sentence. You hide behind your generalisations whilst knowing very little about the background behind this or how the law works. Give it a rest.[/p][/quote]I am well ware of what constitutes prior convictions and how they are taking when sentencing, that is why based on the report that this was his first conviction, I was surprised of the sentence for that. Other offences are not convictions until tried and found guilty, you are right of course the number and nature of those offences will make a difference to sentencing but I am still surprised at its length, especially when you consider the gravity of the offence the young lady did that was the same but involved violence and 35k but she got 100% less sentence. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -5

8:29pm Sat 8 Feb 14

carlospicywiener says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey.
It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case.
People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin


g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts?
Either you are too stubborn to stop
Too stupid to realise
Or, heartless enough to keep it up!
Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?
If you are such a champion of the people, why don't you go to the Crown Court and report this 'serious accusation?'
As was quoted before, to the judge, it is semantics. A minor point in the case, whether it be gambling or gaming where the money was spent.
It was only pointed out to yourself to highlight the fact he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction.
What would you like to hear?..... You're great! You win. You are the hero of the internet who inspires all with your continuous negative quotes on the pages of the Echo because you have no life away from your keyboard.
I wish I was like you!
Happy?
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.[/p][/quote]Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey. It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case. People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts? Either you are too stubborn to stop Too stupid to realise Or, heartless enough to keep it up![/p][/quote]Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?[/p][/quote]If you are such a champion of the people, why don't you go to the Crown Court and report this 'serious accusation?' As was quoted before, to the judge, it is semantics. A minor point in the case, whether it be gambling or gaming where the money was spent. It was only pointed out to yourself to highlight the fact he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. What would you like to hear?..... You're great! You win. You are the hero of the internet who inspires all with your continuous negative quotes on the pages of the Echo because you have no life away from your keyboard. I wish I was like you! Happy? carlospicywiener
  • Score: 8

8:30pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

I'm not sure you understand how the justice system works, or even the press, your comments make no sense. Defence lawyers work with the defendant and they will build their case together.The prosecution's job is then to pick it apart to find the truth from the lies and eventually one side will win the case when all is said and done. If everyone was honest all the time there'd be no need for the 2 sides in a court case. The prosecution found out what they needed and from that he was sentenced. Newspapers print whatever the hell they want. I don't know what scandal you are hoping to find here.
I'm not sure you understand how the justice system works, or even the press, your comments make no sense. Defence lawyers work with the defendant and they will build their case together.The prosecution's job is then to pick it apart to find the truth from the lies and eventually one side will win the case when all is said and done. If everyone was honest all the time there'd be no need for the 2 sides in a court case. The prosecution found out what they needed and from that he was sentenced. Newspapers print whatever the hell they want. I don't know what scandal you are hoping to find here. Tish92
  • Score: 5

8:32pm Sat 8 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey.
It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case.
People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin


g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts?
Either you are too stubborn to stop
Too stupid to realise
Or, heartless enough to keep it up!
Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?
My sympathy is with the family not with someone who has CHOSEN to steal from the family that has raised him. Only David could attempt to turn this into 'men are victimised' and continualy post links to misogynist web sites. Really pleasing to see the good people of Dorset Exposé David for what he is.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.[/p][/quote]Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey. It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case. People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts? Either you are too stubborn to stop Too stupid to realise Or, heartless enough to keep it up![/p][/quote]Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?[/p][/quote]My sympathy is with the family not with someone who has CHOSEN to steal from the family that has raised him. Only David could attempt to turn this into 'men are victimised' and continualy post links to misogynist web sites. Really pleasing to see the good people of Dorset Exposé David for what he is. woodsedge
  • Score: 7

8:36pm Sat 8 Feb 14

carlospicywiener says...

woodsedge wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey.
It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case.
People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin



g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts?
Either you are too stubborn to stop
Too stupid to realise
Or, heartless enough to keep it up!
Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?
My sympathy is with the family not with someone who has CHOSEN to steal from the family that has raised him. Only David could attempt to turn this into 'men are victimised' and continualy post links to misogynist web sites. Really pleasing to see the good people of Dorset Exposé David for what he is.
I notice he likes his gender discrimination. Even though he has no access to the full case files.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.[/p][/quote]Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey. It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case. People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts? Either you are too stubborn to stop Too stupid to realise Or, heartless enough to keep it up![/p][/quote]Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?[/p][/quote]My sympathy is with the family not with someone who has CHOSEN to steal from the family that has raised him. Only David could attempt to turn this into 'men are victimised' and continualy post links to misogynist web sites. Really pleasing to see the good people of Dorset Exposé David for what he is.[/p][/quote]I notice he likes his gender discrimination. Even though he has no access to the full case files. carlospicywiener
  • Score: 5

8:45pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations
hipsfoundation.org/W
eb/News/News.aspx?ne
ws=106&RedirectUrl=~
/Web/News/Default.as
px

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/women/mother-
tongue/9025234/Singl
e-parent-families-re
ach-two-million.html
[quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectUrl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html David_divenghy2
  • Score: 0

8:50pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

carlospicywiener wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey.
It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case.
People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin




g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts?
Either you are too stubborn to stop
Too stupid to realise
Or, heartless enough to keep it up!
Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?
My sympathy is with the family not with someone who has CHOSEN to steal from the family that has raised him. Only David could attempt to turn this into 'men are victimised' and continualy post links to misogynist web sites. Really pleasing to see the good people of Dorset Exposé David for what he is.
I notice he likes his gender discrimination. Even though he has no access to the full case files.
The discrimination was comparing it to another case of the same crime but with a higher level of circumstances and also included threats with a knife but she only got half the sentence this lad did. Are you saying he took a knife to people now?
[quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.[/p][/quote]Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey. It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case. People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts? Either you are too stubborn to stop Too stupid to realise Or, heartless enough to keep it up![/p][/quote]Because they are serious accusations and in the public interest to ask in a public forum. Why are you having a go at others for continuing it and do the same yourself.?[/p][/quote]My sympathy is with the family not with someone who has CHOSEN to steal from the family that has raised him. Only David could attempt to turn this into 'men are victimised' and continualy post links to misogynist web sites. Really pleasing to see the good people of Dorset Exposé David for what he is.[/p][/quote]I notice he likes his gender discrimination. Even though he has no access to the full case files.[/p][/quote]The discrimination was comparing it to another case of the same crime but with a higher level of circumstances and also included threats with a knife but she only got half the sentence this lad did. Are you saying he took a knife to people now? David_divenghy2
  • Score: -4

9:09pm Sat 8 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

In my opinion the best thing to do is not to give David the attention he so obviously craves. Just let him ramble on and on and let his sudonyms continue to gives his extremist views the plus scores. My thoughts are with the family and let's hope that prison teaches him a valuable lesson.
In my opinion the best thing to do is not to give David the attention he so obviously craves. Just let him ramble on and on and let his sudonyms continue to gives his extremist views the plus scores. My thoughts are with the family and let's hope that prison teaches him a valuable lesson. woodsedge
  • Score: 4

9:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Genghis says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations

hipsfoundation.org/W

eb/News/News.aspx?ne

ws=106&RedirectU
rl=~
/Web/News/Default.as

px

http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/women/mother-

tongue/9025234/Singl

e-parent-families-re

ach-two-million.html
And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories. Genghis
  • Score: 13

9:12pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

woodsedge wrote:
In my opinion the best thing to do is not to give David the attention he so obviously craves. Just let him ramble on and on and let his sudonyms continue to gives his extremist views the plus scores. My thoughts are with the family and let's hope that prison teaches him a valuable lesson.
As always woodesdge has nothing to contribute to the discussion or any worthwhile facts to add, just hyyperbole, and vitriol.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: In my opinion the best thing to do is not to give David the attention he so obviously craves. Just let him ramble on and on and let his sudonyms continue to gives his extremist views the plus scores. My thoughts are with the family and let's hope that prison teaches him a valuable lesson.[/p][/quote]As always woodesdge has nothing to contribute to the discussion or any worthwhile facts to add, just hyyperbole, and vitriol. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -3

9:13pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations


hipsfoundation.org/W


eb/News/News.aspx?ne


ws=106&RedirectU

rl=~
/Web/News/Default.as


px

http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/women/mother-


tongue/9025234/Singl


e-parent-families-re


ach-two-million.html
And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -3

9:27pm Sat 8 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

David, can you please tell as everyone on the thread has taken your comments apart, who is actually giving you positive votes ;-)
David, can you please tell as everyone on the thread has taken your comments apart, who is actually giving you positive votes ;-) woodsedge
  • Score: 6

9:33pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

woodsedge wrote:
David, can you please tell as everyone on the thread has taken your comments apart, who is actually giving you positive votes ;-)
I imagine those who agree with all or parts of it but do not want to get involved in a thread full of Chinese whispers, emotive responses and nasties like you woodsedge.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: David, can you please tell as everyone on the thread has taken your comments apart, who is actually giving you positive votes ;-)[/p][/quote]I imagine those who agree with all or parts of it but do not want to get involved in a thread full of Chinese whispers, emotive responses and nasties like you woodsedge. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -6

9:48pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Genghis says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations



hipsfoundation.org/W



eb/News/News.aspx?ne



ws=106&RedirectU


rl=~
/Web/News/Default.as



px

http://www.telegraph



.co.uk/women/mother-



tongue/9025234/Singl



e-parent-families-re



ach-two-million.html
And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.
Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.[/p][/quote]Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories. Genghis
  • Score: 9

9:58pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations




hipsfoundation.org/W




eb/News/News.aspx?ne




ws=106&RedirectU



rl=~
/Web/News/Default.as




px

http://www.telegraph




.co.uk/women/mother-




tongue/9025234/Singl




e-parent-families-re




ach-two-million.html
And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.
Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.
Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.[/p][/quote]Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -5

10:12pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Genghis says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations





hipsfoundation.org/W





eb/News/News.aspx?ne





ws=106&RedirectU




rl=~
/Web/News/Default.as





px

http://www.telegraph





.co.uk/women/mother-





tongue/9025234/Singl





e-parent-families-re





ach-two-million.html
And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.
Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.
Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.
Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.[/p][/quote]Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it. Genghis
  • Score: 11

10:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations






hipsfoundation.org/W






eb/News/News.aspx?ne






ws=106&RedirectU





rl=~
/Web/News/Default.as






px

http://www.telegraph






.co.uk/women/mother-






tongue/9025234/Singl






e-parent-families-re






ach-two-million.html
And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.
Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.
Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.
Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it.
I agree Ghengis it isn't. Not sure if you are aware but the Echo have been publicly challenged to an interview/discussion on behalf of those other matters we speak of, but refuse to step up to it. Until they do I will continue to challenge articles that touch on or involve those issues, or articles which are clearly propaganda or bias in their content. This will continue all the while they are bias in their balance of coverage on such issues. That is not really linked to this so I agree, a matter for another place. Maybe you could ask the Echo why they won't come to the table?
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.[/p][/quote]Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it.[/p][/quote]I agree Ghengis it isn't. Not sure if you are aware but the Echo have been publicly challenged to an interview/discussion on behalf of those other matters we speak of, but refuse to step up to it. Until they do I will continue to challenge articles that touch on or involve those issues, or articles which are clearly propaganda or bias in their content. This will continue all the while they are bias in their balance of coverage on such issues. That is not really linked to this so I agree, a matter for another place. Maybe you could ask the Echo why they won't come to the table? David_divenghy2
  • Score: -3

10:26pm Sat 8 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

http://www.relations






hipsfoundation.org/W






eb/News/News.aspx?ne






ws=106&RedirectU





rl=~
/Web/News/Default.as






px

http://www.telegraph






.co.uk/women/mother-






tongue/9025234/Singl






e-parent-families-re






ach-two-million.html
And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.
Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.
Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.
Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it.
Don't hold your breath Genghis, David would rather tag his skewed views onto issues that have no real relevance to his misogynistic views. If he was to write a letter or article it would either not reach the paper to it being discriminatory or it would just be countless links to misogyny web sites.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.[/p][/quote]Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it.[/p][/quote]Don't hold your breath Genghis, David would rather tag his skewed views onto issues that have no real relevance to his misogynistic views. If he was to write a letter or article it would either not reach the paper to it being discriminatory or it would just be countless links to misogyny web sites. woodsedge
  • Score: 4

10:33pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Tinker2 says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.
A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.
David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded.
There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?)
I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.[/p][/quote]A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.[/p][/quote]David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded. There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?) I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction. Tinker2
  • Score: 10

10:34pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

woodsedge wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Genghis wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
lottielozi wrote:
david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family
Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least.

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And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected.

Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.
Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.
Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.
Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.
Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it.
Don't hold your breath Genghis, David would rather tag his skewed views onto issues that have no real relevance to his misogynistic views. If he was to write a letter or article it would either not reach the paper to it being discriminatory or it would just be countless links to misogyny web sites.
Well we certainly won't hold our breath on you turning up if any facts and source might b e raised woodsedge.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lottielozi[/bold] wrote: david can you please provide the website that is on please. also that means nearly every single mum yet alot do not choice to be single mums my childs dad was perfect before we had out child then he did some awful stuff to me it was safer and healthier to become a single mum, and if you look into it alot of them women where left single due to the father being put in prison such a great roll model so dont blame single mothers blame the men that dont want to know or would rather be in prison or other reasons to protect the child, but this is not the case as he is not from a single mother family and his parents are hard working lovely family and i came from a family not a single mum yet i got into the wrong crowd and become a horrible person but my parents kicking me out made me see sense before i lost my family[/p][/quote]Yeah sure, you can try these, there are numerous sites official and unofficial with these stats on if you Google. These two provide source at least. http://www.relations hipsfoundation.org/W eb/News/News.aspx?ne ws=106&RedirectU rl=~ /Web/News/Default.as px http://www.telegraph .co.uk/women/mother- tongue/9025234/Singl e-parent-families-re ach-two-million.html[/p][/quote]And those statistics are irrelevant to this story because as several people have pointed out above, the young man in question does not come from a broken family or a single parent family. You seem to specialise in trying to turn any story into a platform for your views and your views only and you are totally oblivious to the hurt and distress you cause to the families affected. Yes you do have some valid points to raise. But raise them in a letter on that specific subject or write an article for the OHEC. You can then debate the issues in a proper manner without attaching them to unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Ghengis, i gave them on request of another. it is relevant to things raised in this thread, though I expect you haven;lt bothered reading it all.[/p][/quote]Bot quite read all at the moment because I do have other things I'm trying to complete tonight.but I've got them saved. I've also found some other reading matter on the subject as well which is also saved.. Like I say write a letter or article and debate it properly rather than continually hijacking completely unrelated stories.[/p][/quote]Not hijacking anything Ghengis, most of my comments have simply been replying to people who seem to give a different version of events in each comment or contradict something they said earlier. The other stories you speak of usually dishonest propaganda in their own right, so i will give links and facts/sources to dispute them or raise awareness to show they are misleading. If you do not agree , by all means debate the facts and provide source to show me wrong. I don't have a problem with that, never have.[/p][/quote]Sorry, this isn't the place to debate those issues. Write your article or letter where it can be presented in it's own right not just tagged on to any article that takes your fancy. .I look forward to it.[/p][/quote]Don't hold your breath Genghis, David would rather tag his skewed views onto issues that have no real relevance to his misogynistic views. If he was to write a letter or article it would either not reach the paper to it being discriminatory or it would just be countless links to misogyny web sites.[/p][/quote]Well we certainly won't hold our breath on you turning up if any facts and source might b e raised woodsedge. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -4

11:06pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

Tinker2 wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.
A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.
David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded.
There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?)
I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.
Thank you for your more considered and reasoned approach. Obviously my initial thoughts and opinions are based on what is available to the reader, some of which I stand by still.

It was discussed and conceded early on that the family situation was not what (based on good grounds) one supposed it might be, hence it was phrased as a question.. The kicking out bit i still stand by, but that is what I would do, only an opinion and rightfully you point out there may be other factors not informed of here, this I also accept, so again an opinion rather than a judgment.

I did recognise that and try to move on to other aspects of what I raised but it proved impossible due to some repeating what had already been established and causing obfuscation. I still think the sentence is too harsh for a first conviction not involving violence, I still absolutely believe that sentencing is highly discriminatory against young men and the other case i mentioned gives a good example, let alone the figures available which show more.

Of course one has sympathy with the parents and of course what he has done is very wrong. I only fear that after my own experiences and my own knowledge of our dreadful "reform " system it does not make him worse. I am sure after hearing more, he will have the support system from his family that is so vital to someone coming out of prison but I also hope that he is not let down as countless thousands are while in prison and on coming out. As you say any addiction needs proper treatment, I hope he gets it.
[quote][p][bold]Tinker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.[/p][/quote]A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.[/p][/quote]David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded. There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?) I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your more considered and reasoned approach. Obviously my initial thoughts and opinions are based on what is available to the reader, some of which I stand by still. It was discussed and conceded early on that the family situation was not what (based on good grounds) one supposed it might be, hence it was phrased as a question.. The kicking out bit i still stand by, but that is what I would do, only an opinion and rightfully you point out there may be other factors not informed of here, this I also accept, so again an opinion rather than a judgment. I did recognise that and try to move on to other aspects of what I raised but it proved impossible due to some repeating what had already been established and causing obfuscation. I still think the sentence is too harsh for a first conviction not involving violence, I still absolutely believe that sentencing is highly discriminatory against young men and the other case i mentioned gives a good example, let alone the figures available which show more. Of course one has sympathy with the parents and of course what he has done is very wrong. I only fear that after my own experiences and my own knowledge of our dreadful "reform " system it does not make him worse. I am sure after hearing more, he will have the support system from his family that is so vital to someone coming out of prison but I also hope that he is not let down as countless thousands are while in prison and on coming out. As you say any addiction needs proper treatment, I hope he gets it. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 3

11:42pm Sat 8 Feb 14

mumsnuffkn says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
Tinkywinky1 wrote:
You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course!
I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time.

I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.
I'm with you Tinkywinky, David, I have to say you appear very arrogant to say your assumptions are often correct, get off that high horse of yours! You are still sticking to the repetitive so called 'statistics' that most people have the sense to realise are often very inaccurate, Your assumptions in this case were very wrong & hurtful to the family who have already suffered so much. You should bow your head in shame & apologise to the family for your ignorant comments. As Tinkywinky says, pray this never happens to yourself.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinkywinky1[/bold] wrote: You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course![/p][/quote]I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time. I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.[/p][/quote]I'm with you Tinkywinky, David, I have to say you appear very arrogant to say your assumptions are often correct, get off that high horse of yours! You are still sticking to the repetitive so called 'statistics' that most people have the sense to realise are often very inaccurate, Your assumptions in this case were very wrong & hurtful to the family who have already suffered so much. You should bow your head in shame & apologise to the family for your ignorant comments. As Tinkywinky says, pray this never happens to yourself. mumsnuffkn
  • Score: 3

11:54pm Sat 8 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

mumsnuffkn wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Tinkywinky1 wrote:
You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course!
I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time.

I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.
I'm with you Tinkywinky, David, I have to say you appear very arrogant to say your assumptions are often correct, get off that high horse of yours! You are still sticking to the repetitive so called 'statistics' that most people have the sense to realise are often very inaccurate, Your assumptions in this case were very wrong & hurtful to the family who have already suffered so much. You should bow your head in shame & apologise to the family for your ignorant comments. As Tinkywinky says, pray this never happens to yourself.
From reason to obfuscation again...

My arrogant assumptions you refer too are correct and they are official stats based on the actual numbers taken of those inside . You can't handle that and have insecurities about it ,then go tell it to the the 96% who create the 70% . Now if you go join Mumsnet, they will validate you there. Night night.
[quote][p][bold]mumsnuffkn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinkywinky1[/bold] wrote: You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course![/p][/quote]I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time. I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.[/p][/quote]I'm with you Tinkywinky, David, I have to say you appear very arrogant to say your assumptions are often correct, get off that high horse of yours! You are still sticking to the repetitive so called 'statistics' that most people have the sense to realise are often very inaccurate, Your assumptions in this case were very wrong & hurtful to the family who have already suffered so much. You should bow your head in shame & apologise to the family for your ignorant comments. As Tinkywinky says, pray this never happens to yourself.[/p][/quote]From reason to obfuscation again... My arrogant assumptions you refer too are correct and they are official stats based on the actual numbers taken of those inside . You can't handle that and have insecurities about it ,then go tell it to the the 96% who create the 70% . Now if you go join Mumsnet, they will validate you there. Night night. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -4

12:28am Sun 9 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

Youropinions are what they are but I'll say again - he has no addiction.
Youropinions are what they are but I'll say again - he has no addiction. Tish92
  • Score: 5

12:28am Sun 9 Feb 14

Tish92 says...

Your opinions are what they are but I'll say again - he has no addiction.
Your opinions are what they are but I'll say again - he has no addiction. Tish92
  • Score: 4

12:52am Sun 9 Feb 14

fedupweymouth says...

Oh David we have subjected to your opinion all night, Please find something else to do with your time, You know nothing about Kieran's family, Kieran or the case so just leave them alone and go and annoy someone else. This poor family have enough to cope with and you are just making it a whole lot worse. We all agree you are the font of all knowledge but read the replies no one cares no one appreciates your replies and what you trying to achieve. Let them deal with it and move on.
Oh David we have subjected to your opinion all night, Please find something else to do with your time, You know nothing about Kieran's family, Kieran or the case so just leave them alone and go and annoy someone else. This poor family have enough to cope with and you are just making it a whole lot worse. We all agree you are the font of all knowledge but read the replies no one cares no one appreciates your replies and what you trying to achieve. Let them deal with it and move on. fedupweymouth
  • Score: 10

12:59am Sun 9 Feb 14

mumsnuffkn says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
mumsnuffkn wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Tinkywinky1 wrote:
You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course!
I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time.

I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.
I'm with you Tinkywinky, David, I have to say you appear very arrogant to say your assumptions are often correct, get off that high horse of yours! You are still sticking to the repetitive so called 'statistics' that most people have the sense to realise are often very inaccurate, Your assumptions in this case were very wrong & hurtful to the family who have already suffered so much. You should bow your head in shame & apologise to the family for your ignorant comments. As Tinkywinky says, pray this never happens to yourself.
From reason to obfuscation again...

My arrogant assumptions you refer too are correct and they are official stats based on the actual numbers taken of those inside . You can't handle that and have insecurities about it ,then go tell it to the the 96% who create the 70% . Now if you go join Mumsnet, they will validate you there. Night night.
David, you just cannot admit you were wrong in this case, completely ignorant of the facts & going off on a tangent with these so called statistics, The fact is Keiren got what was coming to him & probably to his own benefit the way things were heading. You still cannot see the hurt you have caused his family through your assumptions & careless comments. I am guessing by all your posts that you yourself have suffered by being kicked out of your parents home & maybe even have been in prison. We all know the law is an **** & is very unfair & if you have suffered wrongly through the system then my heart goes out to you but in this particular case, you are wrong.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mumsnuffkn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinkywinky1[/bold] wrote: You seem to assume that because it's written in the paper you are given so therefore know all of the facts about both of these stories, when it comes across quite clearly that you know nothing about either yet are quite happy to sit and judge the families and assume it was a single parent family. This is the Typical small minded arrogant attitude of people nowadays. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family but then again if it ever did you would clearly have the perfect solutions that would deal with it straight away without it ever coming to this of course![/p][/quote]I have declared no such thing. My assumption is very often correct and the facts and statistics back that up, for example the Youth Justice board stated 70%+ of young offenders come from lone parent families, so such an assumption is perfectly logical and fair to make. However if you read the comment, I declared it a possibility that needs qualifying, hence phrasing it as a question, not a statement. I agree with you that this is not the case all the time. I stand by my opinion in any event, kicking problems out and locking them up is not the answer especially when they have no previous and an addictive problem.[/p][/quote]I'm with you Tinkywinky, David, I have to say you appear very arrogant to say your assumptions are often correct, get off that high horse of yours! You are still sticking to the repetitive so called 'statistics' that most people have the sense to realise are often very inaccurate, Your assumptions in this case were very wrong & hurtful to the family who have already suffered so much. You should bow your head in shame & apologise to the family for your ignorant comments. As Tinkywinky says, pray this never happens to yourself.[/p][/quote]From reason to obfuscation again... My arrogant assumptions you refer too are correct and they are official stats based on the actual numbers taken of those inside . You can't handle that and have insecurities about it ,then go tell it to the the 96% who create the 70% . Now if you go join Mumsnet, they will validate you there. Night night.[/p][/quote]David, you just cannot admit you were wrong in this case, completely ignorant of the facts & going off on a tangent with these so called statistics, The fact is Keiren got what was coming to him & probably to his own benefit the way things were heading. You still cannot see the hurt you have caused his family through your assumptions & careless comments. I am guessing by all your posts that you yourself have suffered by being kicked out of your parents home & maybe even have been in prison. We all know the law is an **** & is very unfair & if you have suffered wrongly through the system then my heart goes out to you but in this particular case, you are wrong. mumsnuffkn
  • Score: 5

2:22am Sun 9 Feb 14

s.bernett says...

Tinker2 wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.
A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.
David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded.
There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?)
I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.
I am also inclined to agree on that. must say , oh boy, I don't think I have seen a few people repeat themselves so needlessly on something that was cleared up many comments back. I think David had the patience of Jobe wading through hat lot trying to get any sense out of them.
[quote][p][bold]Tinker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.[/p][/quote]A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.[/p][/quote]David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded. There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?) I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.[/p][/quote]I am also inclined to agree on that. must say , oh boy, I don't think I have seen a few people repeat themselves so needlessly on something that was cleared up many comments back. I think David had the patience of Jobe wading through hat lot trying to get any sense out of them. s.bernett
  • Score: 8

4:53am Sun 9 Feb 14

123klh456 says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
In my opinion the best thing to do is not to give David the attention he so obviously craves. Just let him ramble on and on and let his sudonyms continue to gives his extremist views the plus scores. My thoughts are with the family and let's hope that prison teaches him a valuable lesson.
As always woodesdge has nothing to contribute to the discussion or any worthwhile facts to add, just hyyperbole, and vitriol.
David. I think you're a massive douche, I believe this is because you come from a broken family that has ignored you, and you look for your much needed attention elsewhere (Ahem... Here) to make yourself feel like Sherlock?? (I'm not complementing you by calling you Sherlock because you failed at it.) I think that you are completely unaware of life in general because you have been so lonely and don't really know how to interact with other human beings. Your bestfriend was definitely a frog you found at the bottom of your garden. Your mother & father gave you no support and that's why you insist on playing the victim (by victimising the entire male race as an 'insurance'/'safety net' when people start setting you straight) Also, you now live alone and you don't get out much. Now, the statistics, you have spent roughly 80% of your childhood playing alone or being teased and 98% of your entire life pointlessly trying to be correct and clever.

All of what I just said is complete bologne, but do you see, the point I'm making is that is what it feels like for someone to talk about you and your family without knowing ANYTHING, you still won't understand because you're not going through anything at the moment (Oh look, another assumption.) You might well have your own problems, and GOOD FOR YOU, I don't really care, I'm not going to pry. But it doesn't excuse the fact you are causing more heartache and distress to a number of people.

Give up, and don't bother replying because I can't be bothered talking to you about something you know nothing about.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: In my opinion the best thing to do is not to give David the attention he so obviously craves. Just let him ramble on and on and let his sudonyms continue to gives his extremist views the plus scores. My thoughts are with the family and let's hope that prison teaches him a valuable lesson.[/p][/quote]As always woodesdge has nothing to contribute to the discussion or any worthwhile facts to add, just hyyperbole, and vitriol.[/p][/quote]David. I think you're a massive douche, I believe this is because you come from a broken family that has ignored you, and you look for your much needed attention elsewhere (Ahem... Here) to make yourself feel like Sherlock?? (I'm not complementing you by calling you Sherlock because you failed at it.) I think that you are completely unaware of life in general because you have been so lonely and don't really know how to interact with other human beings. Your bestfriend was definitely a frog you found at the bottom of your garden. Your mother & father gave you no support and that's why you insist on playing the victim (by victimising the entire male race as an 'insurance'/'safety net' when people start setting you straight) Also, you now live alone and you don't get out much. Now, the statistics, you have spent roughly 80% of your childhood playing alone or being teased and 98% of your entire life pointlessly trying to be correct and clever. All of what I just said is complete bologne, but do you see, the point I'm making is that is what it feels like for someone to talk about you and your family without knowing ANYTHING, you still won't understand because you're not going through anything at the moment (Oh look, another assumption.) You might well have your own problems, and GOOD FOR YOU, I don't really care, I'm not going to pry. But it doesn't excuse the fact you are causing more heartache and distress to a number of people. Give up, and don't bother replying because I can't be bothered talking to you about something you know nothing about. 123klh456
  • Score: 2

9:32am Sun 9 Feb 14

not too distant says...

Nice little arguement you're all having then is it? Dont fall out over this little thieving, lying scumbag. He will make an idiot of anyone who defends, befriends, or helps him... Just like he's already made idiots out of some of you commenters here...!
Nice little arguement you're all having then is it? Dont fall out over this little thieving, lying scumbag. He will make an idiot of anyone who defends, befriends, or helps him... Just like he's already made idiots out of some of you commenters here...! not too distant
  • Score: 1

12:06pm Sun 9 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

s.bernett wrote:
Tinker2 wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.
A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.
David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded.
There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?)
I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.
I am also inclined to agree on that. must say , oh boy, I don't think I have seen a few people repeat themselves so needlessly on something that was cleared up many comments back. I think David had the patience of Jobe wading through hat lot trying to get any sense out of them.
Thanks, it did give me a bit of a headache but revealed what I expected.
[quote][p][bold]s.bernett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.[/p][/quote]A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.[/p][/quote]David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded. There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?) I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.[/p][/quote]I am also inclined to agree on that. must say , oh boy, I don't think I have seen a few people repeat themselves so needlessly on something that was cleared up many comments back. I think David had the patience of Jobe wading through hat lot trying to get any sense out of them.[/p][/quote]Thanks, it did give me a bit of a headache but revealed what I expected. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -4

1:02pm Sun 9 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
s.bernett wrote:
Tinker2 wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.
A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.
David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded.
There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?)
I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.
I am also inclined to agree on that. must say , oh boy, I don't think I have seen a few people repeat themselves so needlessly on something that was cleared up many comments back. I think David had the patience of Jobe wading through hat lot trying to get any sense out of them.
Thanks, it did give me a bit of a headache but revealed what I expected.
You certainly revealed what I already knew about you and now the posters on this thread know. You grasp on reality is slightly tenuous and your links to your misogynistic web sites are even more tenuous!
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s.bernett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]Quite simply one of the most eloquent and sensible posts I've seen on this site. It should be taken by David as a cue to keep his ill-judged thoughts to himself (but it won't and he'll probably reply to this post as well.) It should also be compulsory reading for anyone who is tempted to make premature judgements and comments on stories in the Echo without knowing any more details than are printed in the paper. I'd like to think for every David there are ten other people who do not rise to simplistic judgements but can try to empathise with the very painful situation that this family are trying to cope with.[/p][/quote]A judgment is not being made. an opinion is, that is why it is a public forum. If people don't like that complain to the paper for allowing it or correct the information they published that is wrong, by adding the corrections yourself. The knee-jerk reactions to comments made as "questions" (presuming any of you know what a question marks means?) says a lot. The only facts I have stated, I have given official stats for because they are facts, if you dispute them take it up with the relevant authority. My opinion on the sentencing and the gender bias in sentencing is fact and well based and my opinion on whether to kick out or lock up people being any good , is just that, my opinion, of which like anyone, I am entitled.[/p][/quote]David, I find myself in agreement with your general comments and references to the statistics. In my opinion a well balanced and sensible view. However, in particular cases, such as this, their will of course always be specifics. A fact to which you have already conceeded. There are no winners in these types of situation. 2 years is harsh (he will be detained for 1 and should get HDC before that, if a qualified suitable address of residence can be provided?) I would hope that he would make the best use of his time inside; completing courses and participating in counselling to address his gambling addiction.[/p][/quote]I am also inclined to agree on that. must say , oh boy, I don't think I have seen a few people repeat themselves so needlessly on something that was cleared up many comments back. I think David had the patience of Jobe wading through hat lot trying to get any sense out of them.[/p][/quote]Thanks, it did give me a bit of a headache but revealed what I expected.[/p][/quote]You certainly revealed what I already knew about you and now the posters on this thread know. You grasp on reality is slightly tenuous and your links to your misogynistic web sites are even more tenuous! woodsedge
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Sun 9 Feb 14

sandman223 says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
armoriem wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess.

Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.
Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.
The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway.

Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake.
What a load of rubbish!! Where you get your figures from astounds me, very inaccurate! Also what are you banging on about in reference to if a girl had done the same thing? Why have you even mentioned this?
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]armoriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: A boy who obviously has background and issues and some you may not know about, the usual stupid answer, yep lock him up so he can be of no use, learn nothing except even worse ways! Funny how they rarely do that to females for the same crimes isn't it, they are always treated as victims of something in fact Judges have now been "instructed" to give more lenient sentences for women! . No mention of his parental status? I suspect I can guess. Over half of young men in prison have psychiatric problems and related disorders but when males have such issue they are treated as a problem to society and flung aside. As always its easier for our legal/penal system and government/corporate cronies to profit from the social decay they cause then do something about what causes it.[/p][/quote]Well David if you guessed that his parental status was that of two decent, hard working parents then you would have guessed correctly but I doubt that you did preferring instead the stereotypical image of a deadbeat single mum on benefits because this would fit in with what you think you know and feel qualified to comment upon. Sadly I have to shatter your assumptions and tell you that this young man came from a stable and loving home in what is considered a 'good' area. He never wanted for anything as a child, he was not brought up around the dregs of society and the parents tried everything in their power to help him once the addiction took hold and he began to steal and abuse their trust to fund his habit. Asking him to leave the family home was the last heart breaking resort, 'tough love' it's called, hoping that a dose of the cold reality of being on your own in the world would bring him to his senses and he would turn his life around. Sadly it didn't and despite every single member of his family trying to help he now finds himself facing the consequences of his actions. Meanwhile his family face the indignity of having his crimes splashed across the internet and the newspapers for all to see and comment upon. Can you imagine David what it is like to live with the knowledge that the child you bore and tried your very best to raise as a decent member of society turned into a person who repeatedly steals from elderly family members? Can you imagine waking up each morning and realising that your son doing time was not just a bad dream? Can you imagine the soul searching and and frustrating hours of wondering where you went wrong for him to turn out like this? Can you imagine too the fingers pointing at you, the hushed conversations of neighbours and work colleagues? And can you imagine David reading comments from strangers about your assumed inadequacies as a parent? Until you, or anyone else, can imagine any of the above or know all of the facts behind this sorry situation then just read the story and count yourself lucky you are not living it.[/p][/quote]The "stereotype" as you call it is a fact. . 70%+ of young offenders come from single parent backgrounds and over 96%+ of single parents are mothers. So i'm afraid you have to take that up with the fact s of life and the official statistics, if you don't like that. In any event it transpires my question (not statement of fact) was answered and it is not the case anyway. Yes I can understand all you have said very well. However the point I was making is that Two years is excessive for a first offence of this nature and that kicking out or locking up rarely if ever helps with this kind of offender. I do sympathise of course and my opinion is aimed as as much towards the legal system/ penal system as much as anything else. Perhaps instead of locking him up in prison some form of residential therapeutic help would be better? I know a little of prisons and spoke with many involved, , when it comes to reform, they are mostly a non-starter. That's why they are known as warehouses for society's problems. NO way to fix anything. Lets hope that will not be the case here for his sake.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish!! Where you get your figures from astounds me, very inaccurate! Also what are you banging on about in reference to if a girl had done the same thing? Why have you even mentioned this? sandman223
  • Score: 4

3:49pm Sun 9 Feb 14

sandman223 says...

carlospicywiener wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
carlospicywiener wrote:
David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.
Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.
Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey.
It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case.
People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin

g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts?
Either you are too stubborn to stop
Too stupid to realise
Or, heartless enough to keep it up!
Dsvid is a "know it all" or at least he can use google and believe every stat that is on the internet. Look through most of the threads on this site, you will see his name crop up many times with agruementative comments just for his own entertainment. He thrives on a reaction to keep his obviously sad and lonely life going.

I would also suggest not taking much notice of the positive votes on his comments, anyone can do this for themselves by logging out of your account and voting as a guest on as many devices that have internet access.
[quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carlospicywiener[/bold] wrote: David, you are only succeeding in frustrating people at a very sensitive time. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour.[/p][/quote]Not surprising one inquires further when accusations of potentially very serious wrong-doings, incompetence or misleading are made toward defence, prosecution or the Echo by some people here.[/p][/quote]Why do YOU need to inquire further? Other than being nosey. It is a minor point in the law whether it was a gaming or gambling website. There are more important parts to this case. People were just pointing out to you that he was not kicked out for a gambling addiction. As I have said you are frustrating/upsettin g a lot of people. Are you happy to keep this up? Are you pleased with your efforts? Either you are too stubborn to stop Too stupid to realise Or, heartless enough to keep it up![/p][/quote]Dsvid is a "know it all" or at least he can use google and believe every stat that is on the internet. Look through most of the threads on this site, you will see his name crop up many times with agruementative comments just for his own entertainment. He thrives on a reaction to keep his obviously sad and lonely life going. I would also suggest not taking much notice of the positive votes on his comments, anyone can do this for themselves by logging out of your account and voting as a guest on as many devices that have internet access. sandman223
  • Score: 9

6:43pm Sun 9 Feb 14

123klh456 says...

not too distant wrote:
Nice little arguement you're all having then is it? Dont fall out over this little thieving, lying scumbag. He will make an idiot of anyone who defends, befriends, or helps him... Just like he's already made idiots out of some of you commenters here...!
the only reason people are arguing is because people burst in with assumptions about family that are incorrect, I think people forget these are real people, real people's lives and feelings.
Did you know Kieran?
[quote][p][bold]not too distant[/bold] wrote: Nice little arguement you're all having then is it? Dont fall out over this little thieving, lying scumbag. He will make an idiot of anyone who defends, befriends, or helps him... Just like he's already made idiots out of some of you commenters here...![/p][/quote]the only reason people are arguing is because people burst in with assumptions about family that are incorrect, I think people forget these are real people, real people's lives and feelings. Did you know Kieran? 123klh456
  • Score: 6

11:41pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Dellymort says...

Wow. I'd have thought people would be more sensitive to the family, who are obviously the victims in the situation. People like David are the reason I left Weymouth, there are some vulnerable people that have suffered and all he can do is berate the family?! Shame on you.

My thoughts are with the family, who are (if you hadn't read from previous comments), wonderfully caring people.

Oh, and who'd have thought that the press would've blown things out of proportion? Doesn't sound very British to me... Ha.
Wow. I'd have thought people would be more sensitive to the family, who are obviously the victims in the situation. People like David are the reason I left Weymouth, there are some vulnerable people that have suffered and all he can do is berate the family?! Shame on you. My thoughts are with the family, who are (if you hadn't read from previous comments), wonderfully caring people. Oh, and who'd have thought that the press would've blown things out of proportion? Doesn't sound very British to me... Ha. Dellymort
  • Score: 10

11:24am Mon 10 Feb 14

weymos says...

Dellymort has made the right comment here and here it should end. There is a Family involved here, of which I know very well. OK a YOUNG lad has gone astray a bit, but surely we all have at some point in some way, maybe not so serious. But please give the Family a break and let them come to terms with what's happened and allow them to rebuild their shattered lives and in turn hopefully re build bridges, looking to the future. Thoughts are with Sa and Ni right now :( xx
Dellymort has made the right comment here and here it should end. There is a Family involved here, of which I know very well. OK a YOUNG lad has gone astray a bit, but surely we all have at some point in some way, maybe not so serious. But please give the Family a break and let them come to terms with what's happened and allow them to rebuild their shattered lives and in turn hopefully re build bridges, looking to the future. Thoughts are with Sa and Ni right now :( xx weymos
  • Score: 6

12:44pm Mon 10 Feb 14

weymos says...

Tish92 wrote:
'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation.
Sorry Tish92, mis read your post and voted negative, should have been positive ....... Sorry :( x
[quote][p][bold]Tish92[/bold] wrote: 'He has no previous convictions either, yet is kicked out of his home before this happened for this addiction? Is it any surprise he is the way he is and it got worse with such a lack of parental support?' That's not just an opinion but a pretty outlandish assumption from someone who knows so little of the situation. He does not have an addiction, was given numerous chances by various family members and actively chose to take advantage of those most vulnerable. You don't know the half of it so leave his parents out of it and let everyone have chance to deal with what has happened to the family. This was a lose-lose situation.[/p][/quote]Sorry Tish92, mis read your post and voted negative, should have been positive ....... Sorry :( x weymos
  • Score: 4

12:00pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Micke12 says...

Right, time for some home truths based on personal experience, which I am not proud of.

I was brought up in a very loving and caring environment, with two loving parents, brother, sister and grand parents, but I went off the rails massively.

I had a gambling problem (fruit machines) , which for years, I denied and did nothing about. Like a lot of gamblers, I stole from relatives and friends, committed numerous crimes to feed the habit and then spent time in custody for it.

Up until the 1990s, I had a pattern of gambling, crime and imprisonment. I then married a Weymouth lady in 1992 and moved to Weymouth. As a gambler, who at that time had not admitted they had a problem, things carried on as usual, and eventually I was arrested by a local policeman for theft from a bank account to which I had no authority to use or withdraw money from, and at this point, I finally admitted that I had a problem with gambling.

After admitting the problem to a police officer during questioning at the police station, I was pointed towards what was then known as Gambler's Anonymous, and from that point on, I have not gambled on any machine or any other type of gambling - I don't even do the lottery or the Grand National.

Since then, having admitted the problem and getting the right help, with the self commitment to break the habit, I know that the problem, which is accepted to be an illness, will never be cured, and would only need one bad thing to happen to return to gambling. I have, however, been clear of gambling for some 20 years.

The moral of this story is - You may be brought up, or dragged up, but neither means you will or won't be a gambler, just as it means you will be an alcoholic - it is just how some of us view our lives and the chemical make up of our thinking processes. Every one of us has the potential to be a compulsive gambler or a compulsive alcoholic - it has nothing to do with how you were brought up, it is just you and how you are in your thought processes.

I am not proud of what I did, but I can understand what this lad is going through in his thought processes. But, and this is fact, unless he admits that he has a problem and has the ball's to tackle the problem head on, then he will always have this problem.

I do, however, think that 2 years custody for what he did was wrong, not in principle, but in practice. It is a fact that most first time custody people who have either gambling or alcohol related illnesses will only learn how to commit more crime as prison will not tackle the root cause of the problem that got the person there in the first place.

Judges have it in their power to issue supervision orders with the condition that the offender attends addiction management courses, and these will work if the offender wants them to, but in order to do that, the person must first admit the problem. Imprisoning someone who has an illness is wrong in principle unless the incarceration is aimed at tackling the problems. If this young man had been sentenced to custody at Dorchester Prison, then the Enhanced Thinking Skills course that they ran might have provided this man with the help he needed to recognise he has a problem, but no doubt, Exeter or Winchester prisons do not have this course available It does work, as I have done it, but as with any of these course, you have to be open minded and want to change. After 20 plus years of gambling, prison and back again, I took the course and my whole life changed.

I know some of you might think that this is to much exposure of someone's past, but sometimes, doing so in an open way helps other people who may have the same or similar problems.
Right, time for some home truths based on personal experience, which I am not proud of. I was brought up in a very loving and caring environment, with two loving parents, brother, sister and grand parents, but I went off the rails massively. I had a gambling problem (fruit machines) , which for years, I denied and did nothing about. Like a lot of gamblers, I stole from relatives and friends, committed numerous crimes to feed the habit and then spent time in custody for it. Up until the 1990s, I had a pattern of gambling, crime and imprisonment. I then married a Weymouth lady in 1992 and moved to Weymouth. As a gambler, who at that time had not admitted they had a problem, things carried on as usual, and eventually I was arrested by a local policeman for theft from a bank account to which I had no authority to use or withdraw money from, and at this point, I finally admitted that I had a problem with gambling. After admitting the problem to a police officer during questioning at the police station, I was pointed towards what was then known as Gambler's Anonymous, and from that point on, I have not gambled on any machine or any other type of gambling - I don't even do the lottery or the Grand National. Since then, having admitted the problem and getting the right help, with the self commitment to break the habit, I know that the problem, which is accepted to be an illness, will never be cured, and would only need one bad thing to happen to return to gambling. I have, however, been clear of gambling for some 20 years. The moral of this story is - You may be brought up, or dragged up, but neither means you will or won't be a gambler, just as it means you will be an alcoholic - it is just how some of us view our lives and the chemical make up of our thinking processes. Every one of us has the potential to be a compulsive gambler or a compulsive alcoholic - it has nothing to do with how you were brought up, it is just you and how you are in your thought processes. I am not proud of what I did, but I can understand what this lad is going through in his thought processes. But, and this is fact, unless he admits that he has a problem and has the ball's to tackle the problem head on, then he will always have this problem. I do, however, think that 2 years custody for what he did was wrong, not in principle, but in practice. It is a fact that most first time custody people who have either gambling or alcohol related illnesses will only learn how to commit more crime as prison will not tackle the root cause of the problem that got the person there in the first place. Judges have it in their power to issue supervision orders with the condition that the offender attends addiction management courses, and these will work if the offender wants them to, but in order to do that, the person must first admit the problem. Imprisoning someone who has an illness is wrong in principle unless the incarceration is aimed at tackling the problems. If this young man had been sentenced to custody at Dorchester Prison, then the Enhanced Thinking Skills course that they ran might have provided this man with the help he needed to recognise he has a problem, but no doubt, Exeter or Winchester prisons do not have this course available It does work, as I have done it, but as with any of these course, you have to be open minded and want to change. After 20 plus years of gambling, prison and back again, I took the course and my whole life changed. I know some of you might think that this is to much exposure of someone's past, but sometimes, doing so in an open way helps other people who may have the same or similar problems. Micke12
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6:02pm Thu 13 Feb 14

123klh456 says...

Mick, I'm not dismissing your entire comment, I did read it, and just wanna say well done for getting yourself sorted out, a lot of people could learn from you x
But, Kieran doesn't have a gambling issue...x
Mick, I'm not dismissing your entire comment, I did read it, and just wanna say well done for getting yourself sorted out, a lot of people could learn from you x But, Kieran doesn't have a gambling issue...x 123klh456
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12:20pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Micke12 says...

123klh456 wrote:
Mick, I'm not dismissing your entire comment, I did read it, and just wanna say well done for getting yourself sorted out, a lot of people could learn from you x
But, Kieran doesn't have a gambling issue...x
I appreciate what you say about me getting it sorted, but challenge your statement that Keiren does not have a gambling problem, as the first part of this story expressly states that he does.

'A TEENAGER who stole thousands of pounds from his elderly great grandparents to fund his "online gambling" habit has been jailed.'

So unless the echo is lying to us, or you know something that we do not, I have to say that you are incorrect.

If you do know something that we don't then perhaps you would be good enough to let us know. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]123klh456[/bold] wrote: Mick, I'm not dismissing your entire comment, I did read it, and just wanna say well done for getting yourself sorted out, a lot of people could learn from you x But, Kieran doesn't have a gambling issue...x[/p][/quote]I appreciate what you say about me getting it sorted, but challenge your statement that Keiren does not have a gambling problem, as the first part of this story expressly states that he does. 'A TEENAGER who stole thousands of pounds from his elderly great grandparents to fund his "online gambling" habit has been jailed.' So unless the echo is lying to us, or you know something that we do not, I have to say that you are incorrect. If you do know something that we don't then perhaps you would be good enough to let us know. Thanks. Micke12
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