New council tax precept agreed on Portland after community backlash

Dorset Echo: PACKED: The audience for the council meeting at All Saints Church.  Picture: FINNBARR WEBSTER PACKED: The audience for the council meeting at All Saints Church. Picture: FINNBARR WEBSTER

COUNCILLORS have bowed to intense public pressure and scrapped a controversial decision to put up the Portland council tax precept by 1,000 per cent.

They agreed to rescind all decisions and instead supported a modest rise of 1.99 per cent on a Band D property – a decision later described by a campaigner as a ‘victory for the people.’ The increase is in line with what has been agreed by the borough and county councils.

The decision came at a council meeting attended by about 300 people held at All Saints Church in Easton this evening. The meeting was frequently punctuated by heckling, cheering and applause from the audience as people made their feelings known.

Feelings ran so high that a show of hands on ‘no confidence’ in the council was put forward and supported by many in the crowd.

Resident Tony Weldon addressed Councillor Richard Denton-White’s behaviour and language at a previous meeting and Mayor Les Ames apologised on behalf of the council.

Some councillors could not attend, including Tim Munro, who originally proposed the 1,000 per cent increase.

A move to hike up the island charge by such a huge amount to generate £500,000 for the town council started a revolt on Portland and councillors found themselves under great pressure to think again.

There were angry scenes at a meeting last month as calls were made for councillors to resign. Local Government minister Brandon Lewis even got involved, calling the increase ‘utterly unreasonable.’ Responding to the community backlash, councillors decided to start again, and a proposal this evening to rescind all decisions was unanimously agreed.

Cllr Ray Nowak then proposed a 2 per cent increase which would put an extra 29p on a Band D bill. However, amid angry scenes, it was turned down with five votes for and six against.

A motion brought by Cllrs Les Ames, Andy Matthews and Rachel Barton proposed a 42.6 per cent increase. But this was voted against with three votes for and eight against.

Cllr Nowak then proposed an increase of 1.99 per cent, which was passed with eight votes for, two against and one abstention.

This was greeted with loud cheers from the audience. All other business on the agenda was deferred to a meeting next Tuesday at the council offices.

Speaking afterwards, resident John Thorner, who earlier had handed in a protest petition containing 3,042 signatures, said the new precept was a ‘victory for the people of Portland.’ He added: “It’s fantastic.”

Resident Lorraine McKendry said: “It’s what we wanted totally, but it took a long time to get there.”

Cllr Nowak said the council needed to work on its rapport with the community as at the moment it was at ‘rock bottom.’

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8:08am Wed 12 Feb 14

Ich bin ein Kimberliner says...

New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/404822
New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/404822 Ich bin ein Kimberliner
  • Score: 9

8:08am Wed 12 Feb 14

cosmick says...

Welcome to the real world. Now lets get rid of a few dreamers who caused this trouble.
Welcome to the real world. Now lets get rid of a few dreamers who caused this trouble. cosmick
  • Score: 11

8:10am Wed 12 Feb 14

cosmick says...

Ich bin ein Kimberliner wrote:
New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor

you.com/404822
PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA.
[quote][p][bold]Ich bin ein Kimberliner[/bold] wrote: New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/404822[/p][/quote]PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA. cosmick
  • Score: 7

9:08am Wed 12 Feb 14

Wilbraham says...

Ich bin ein Kimberliner wrote:
New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor

you.com/404822
Unless there are resignations the next time there is an election for PTC is May 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Ich bin ein Kimberliner[/bold] wrote: New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/404822[/p][/quote]Unless there are resignations the next time there is an election for PTC is May 2015. Wilbraham
  • Score: 6

9:17am Wed 12 Feb 14

Tillydog says...

Not sure I would call it a victory for the people,although John Thorner
done a great job as did all others involved in the petitions 3,000 is
abound a fifth of the Island population
.The others could not care less,which is a great shame
Ray Nowak's 2% is following the party line and he told us through these pages that he will not be standing again.
When you have Amanda Munroe and Richard Denton-White voting for 42.6% it was obvious they could not be trusted therefore 2% was inevitable.

I bet Morocco Tim will be laughing his shorts off. A hollow victory.
Dog Bless Portland and all it's people.x
Not sure I would call it a victory for the people,although John Thorner done a great job as did all others involved in the petitions 3,000 is abound a fifth of the Island population .The others could not care less,which is a great shame Ray Nowak's 2% is following the party line and he told us through these pages that he will not be standing again. When you have Amanda Munroe and Richard Denton-White voting for 42.6% it was obvious they could not be trusted therefore 2% was inevitable. I bet Morocco Tim will be laughing his shorts off. A hollow victory. Dog Bless Portland and all it's people.x Tillydog
  • Score: 16

9:55am Wed 12 Feb 14

chesil beach says...

P T C cannot be trusted , The best thing would be to get rid or the P T C it is not needed , Anyone that was at the meeting last night could see what a shambles it is in , And a lot of people have a lot of respect for Les Ames as i do myself BUT its time for him to go , You P T Councillors have made a monster cockup , Most people can now see no future for this council ,
P T C cannot be trusted , The best thing would be to get rid or the P T C it is not needed , Anyone that was at the meeting last night could see what a shambles it is in , And a lot of people have a lot of respect for Les Ames as i do myself BUT its time for him to go , You P T Councillors have made a monster cockup , Most people can now see no future for this council , chesil beach
  • Score: 13

10:25am Wed 12 Feb 14

studentlocal says...

cosmick wrote:
Ich bin ein Kimberliner wrote:
New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor


you.com/404822
PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA.
There are already enough nut-jobs in the council already.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ich bin ein Kimberliner[/bold] wrote: New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/404822[/p][/quote]PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA.[/p][/quote]There are already enough nut-jobs in the council already. studentlocal
  • Score: 2

10:46am Wed 12 Feb 14

captainsea says...

Last night's Portland Town Council meeting was more like a circus full of clowns trying to impress the audience.Well they failed miserably and Portland people power fought and won a victory over those incumbents. We also discovered that they have acted illegally by allowing an unelected person to chair the previous meeting,

Yet again Dutheridge & Denton-White were their usual arrogant selves in trying to justify there position.

The minutes that were handed out make very interesting reading and bully boy Munro's insistence on changing the wording are there in black and white for all to see. Perhaps they should purchase a tape machine and record the meeting for the sake of clarity and accuracy. Also a calculator or adding machine as their sums don't add up nor did the voting at one stage!

Sorry, but it has to be said but Les Ames needs to give up now as his performance last night exposed his frailty. Yes he has served the Island well but at 90 plus years of age he should leave with some dignity.
Last night's Portland Town Council meeting was more like a circus full of clowns trying to impress the audience.Well they failed miserably and Portland people power fought and won a victory over those incumbents. We also discovered that they have acted illegally by allowing an unelected person to chair the previous meeting, Yet again Dutheridge & Denton-White were their usual arrogant selves in trying to justify there position. The minutes that were handed out make very interesting reading and bully boy Munro's insistence on changing the wording are there in black and white for all to see. Perhaps they should purchase a tape machine and record the meeting for the sake of clarity and accuracy. Also a calculator or adding machine as their sums don't add up nor did the voting at one stage! Sorry, but it has to be said but Les Ames needs to give up now as his performance last night exposed his frailty. Yes he has served the Island well but at 90 plus years of age he should leave with some dignity. captainsea
  • Score: 24

11:19am Wed 12 Feb 14

shy talk says...

Why is it that Portland Town Council spends the precept Tax? On work that should be carried out by Dorset County Council and Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.

In effect Portlanders are paying twice for the same services. For example maintenance of pavements, Mayor, Sea wall Improvements.

“The Government is encouraging Town Councils to take on even wider powers but to do so requires the Council to agree to approved levels of competence. The Town Council does not have all these in place” (Ref: Portland Town Council proposal leaflet). So I read this as they admit do not have approved levels of competence.

Portland Town Council is an expensive anachronism and should go.
Why is it that Portland Town Council spends the precept Tax? On work that should be carried out by Dorset County Council and Weymouth and Portland Borough Council. In effect Portlanders are paying twice for the same services. For example maintenance of pavements, Mayor, Sea wall Improvements. “The Government is encouraging Town Councils to take on even wider powers but to do so requires the Council to agree to approved levels of competence. The Town Council does not have all these in place” (Ref: Portland Town Council proposal leaflet). So I read this as they admit do not have approved levels of competence. Portland Town Council is an expensive anachronism and should go. shy talk
  • Score: 15

11:22am Wed 12 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

studentlocal wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Ich bin ein Kimberliner wrote:
New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor



you.com/404822
PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA.
There are already enough nut-jobs in the council already.
Quite agree, anyone who thinks UKIP are the answer to Portlands or for that matter the UK's problems are frankly deluded.
[quote][p][bold]studentlocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ich bin ein Kimberliner[/bold] wrote: New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/404822[/p][/quote]PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA.[/p][/quote]There are already enough nut-jobs in the council already.[/p][/quote]Quite agree, anyone who thinks UKIP are the answer to Portlands or for that matter the UK's problems are frankly deluded. woodsedge
  • Score: -6

2:20pm Wed 12 Feb 14

cosmick says...

Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP. cosmick
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ray Nowak says...

Tillydog wrote:
Not sure I would call it a victory for the people,although John Thorner
done a great job as did all others involved in the petitions 3,000 is
abound a fifth of the Island population
.The others could not care less,which is a great shame
Ray Nowak's 2% is following the party line and he told us through these pages that he will not be standing again.
When you have Amanda Munroe and Richard Denton-White voting for 42.6% it was obvious they could not be trusted therefore 2% was inevitable.

I bet Morocco Tim will be laughing his shorts off. A hollow victory.
Dog Bless Portland and all it's people.x
To be clear , it was suggested that I was on electioneering , I replied that I was not seeking election this year . The PTC elections are in 2015 and my term on WPBC is to 2016 . I will decide nearer the time if to put my name for election or not. Meanwhile I will do all I can to do the best within my abilities for Portland on both Councils.
[quote][p][bold]Tillydog[/bold] wrote: Not sure I would call it a victory for the people,although John Thorner done a great job as did all others involved in the petitions 3,000 is abound a fifth of the Island population .The others could not care less,which is a great shame Ray Nowak's 2% is following the party line and he told us through these pages that he will not be standing again. When you have Amanda Munroe and Richard Denton-White voting for 42.6% it was obvious they could not be trusted therefore 2% was inevitable. I bet Morocco Tim will be laughing his shorts off. A hollow victory. Dog Bless Portland and all it's people.x[/p][/quote]To be clear , it was suggested that I was on electioneering , I replied that I was not seeking election this year . The PTC elections are in 2015 and my term on WPBC is to 2016 . I will decide nearer the time if to put my name for election or not. Meanwhile I will do all I can to do the best within my abilities for Portland on both Councils. Ray Nowak
  • Score: -5

4:18pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Newground says...

Two clear winners emerge from this situation.

First, the Munro family -- at least two of whom have beards -- showed they are great visionaries and want only the best for Portland. Unfortunately, the people of people lack their ambition and failed to seize the nettle. Never mind. The Munros listened, intently, and drove this more modest, though acceptable, precept rise.

(Red) hats off to all of them!

Then there's this Denton-White character. A huge intellect -- a veritable giant among men. Indeed. it was a sad loss to our schools when he finished teaching but we should thank our lucky stars that he continues to give such sterling public service. And a tough guy, too! Wow. There's certainly no messing with him.If he bumped into Mike Tyson on a wet and windy night you know who would be scurrying, bandy-legged, into the bunny holes! (Be off, Tyso!)

Thanks for the ride, Rich. Don't let the naysayers get you down. Portland needs you.
Two clear winners emerge from this situation. First, the Munro family -- at least two of whom have beards -- showed they are great visionaries and want only the best for Portland. Unfortunately, the people of people lack their ambition and failed to seize the nettle. Never mind. The Munros listened, intently, and drove this more modest, though acceptable, precept rise. (Red) hats off to all of them! Then there's this Denton-White character. A huge intellect -- a veritable giant among men. Indeed. it was a sad loss to our schools when he finished teaching but we should thank our lucky stars that he continues to give such sterling public service. And a tough guy, too! Wow. There's certainly no messing with him.If he bumped into Mike Tyson on a wet and windy night you know who would be scurrying, bandy-legged, into the bunny holes! (Be off, Tyso!) Thanks for the ride, Rich. Don't let the naysayers get you down. Portland needs you. Newground
  • Score: -10

5:19pm Wed 12 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

cosmick wrote:
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Woodsedge will probably declare you one of my alleged "Pseudonyms" as he keeps declaring invisible people appear whenever things do not go his way or someone disagrees with him.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge will probably declare you one of my alleged "Pseudonyms" as he keeps declaring invisible people appear whenever things do not go his way or someone disagrees with him. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 6

5:43pm Wed 12 Feb 14

craigbastow1@outlook.com says...

whats crabbers view on all this , he seems to have gone quiet or has he lost his balance !
whats crabbers view on all this , he seems to have gone quiet or has he lost his balance ! craigbastow1@outlook.com
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Woodsedge will probably declare you one of my alleged "Pseudonyms" as he keeps declaring invisible people appear whenever things do not go his way or someone disagrees with him.
David, I am sorry but I do not know what you are on about!
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge will probably declare you one of my alleged "Pseudonyms" as he keeps declaring invisible people appear whenever things do not go his way or someone disagrees with him.[/p][/quote]David, I am sorry but I do not know what you are on about! woodsedge
  • Score: -1

7:29pm Wed 12 Feb 14

portland rebel says...

i gather the vote of no confidence was like water off a ducks back.
i gather the vote of no confidence was like water off a ducks back. portland rebel
  • Score: 3

7:40pm Wed 12 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.[/p][/quote]Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP. woodsedge
  • Score: -3

8:25pm Wed 12 Feb 14

cosmick says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.
Woodsedge i take on board all your comments. I will not make any comments on what you think is the way forward other than bullet points, i have no worries about any party votes being split as i will be working only to get where possile a UKIP member elected. They may as you say be a protest vote for some voters we will not know until the 2015 election. I agree with you that working people should be united i agree that we work for a fair society. I recognise we live in a globle economy. I cannot agree with you on immigration as i know that people from the E/U drive down wages for the working people who you want to unite. The E/U workers who come here to work are able to pay taxes on money earnt here in there country of origin at a lesser rate than in this counrty. If we are talking immigration of skills needed i am not against it, but self employed car cleaners, big issue sellers are not a benifit to our country.
The party that can put this country back on track i belive is UKIP and i will do what i can to get them elected.
If you attended the UKIP MEETING at DORCHESTER next week you could see that the people who attend are not nutters but normal people trying to do there best for local people and our country.
Points made by others on the way forward should all be read and taken on board to stop silly comments and have good understanding of other peoples points of view. Regards Steve.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.[/p][/quote]Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge i take on board all your comments. I will not make any comments on what you think is the way forward other than bullet points, i have no worries about any party votes being split as i will be working only to get where possile a UKIP member elected. They may as you say be a protest vote for some voters we will not know until the 2015 election. I agree with you that working people should be united i agree that we work for a fair society. I recognise we live in a globle economy. I cannot agree with you on immigration as i know that people from the E/U drive down wages for the working people who you want to unite. The E/U workers who come here to work are able to pay taxes on money earnt here in there country of origin at a lesser rate than in this counrty. If we are talking immigration of skills needed i am not against it, but self employed car cleaners, big issue sellers are not a benifit to our country. The party that can put this country back on track i belive is UKIP and i will do what i can to get them elected. If you attended the UKIP MEETING at DORCHESTER next week you could see that the people who attend are not nutters but normal people trying to do there best for local people and our country. Points made by others on the way forward should all be read and taken on board to stop silly comments and have good understanding of other peoples points of view. Regards Steve. cosmick
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Wed 12 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.
Woodsedge, why don't you tell him how you think they are all fascist ultra right racists? I am sure Cosmick will be glad to hear you think that of him too.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.[/p][/quote]Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge, why don't you tell him how you think they are all fascist ultra right racists? I am sure Cosmick will be glad to hear you think that of him too. David_divenghy2
  • Score: 0

9:03pm Wed 12 Feb 14

woodsedge says...

David_divenghy2 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.
Woodsedge, why don't you tell him how you think they are all fascist ultra right racists? I am sure Cosmick will be glad to hear you think that of him too.
David old chap, why don't you leave two people alone to have an adult conversation without you interjecting with your usual dirge there's a good chap.
[quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.[/p][/quote]Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge, why don't you tell him how you think they are all fascist ultra right racists? I am sure Cosmick will be glad to hear you think that of him too.[/p][/quote]David old chap, why don't you leave two people alone to have an adult conversation without you interjecting with your usual dirge there's a good chap. woodsedge
  • Score: 1

9:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

David_divenghy2 says...

woodsedge wrote:
David_divenghy2 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are.
UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND.
If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time.
If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.
Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.
Woodsedge, why don't you tell him how you think they are all fascist ultra right racists? I am sure Cosmick will be glad to hear you think that of him too.
David old chap, why don't you leave two people alone to have an adult conversation without you interjecting with your usual dirge there's a good chap.
That's all you got Woodsedge, every time debate and fact rears it's head you resort to playground tactics.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David_divenghy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Well Woodsedge and Studentlocal lets hear what you think is the way forward you seem set on having ago about UKIP but the truth is UKIP is the way forward. The liblabcon mob have been exposed and do little for the British or there way of life. SO come on give us your views then we can decide how bright you both are. UKIP has taken seats all over the country and will take more on MAY 22ND. If you want this country to keep going downhill then vote again the same as you did last time. If you want change, the welfare budget not being shared with the E/U members, Schools talking English, jobs for us then vote and support UKIP.[/p][/quote]Cosmick, I do not deny that there needs to be a change in UK politics. I am not a supporter of Labour, the Lib's and certainly not the Tory's. I am also a realist and I fully anticipate that UKIP will pick up more seats in the European elections. I also think UKIP will split both labour and Tory votes come the General Election and what would have been safe seats will swing to the left or to the right. That said and in my opinion they will be the protest party for thousands of people that are disillusioned in the current political system. Again in my opinion, UKIP are as unfit to rule the country as are the other mainstream parties. I often get accused of being from the looney left, I can assure you that this is not true. I am just sick to the back teeth of the 'reality game show' type spin politics we now have in this country and I want change, but the change I want is one that unites working people, gives us a fair society, recognises that we live in a global economy, views immigration as a positive thing and I am afraid that in my opinion that is not UKIP.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge, why don't you tell him how you think they are all fascist ultra right racists? I am sure Cosmick will be glad to hear you think that of him too.[/p][/quote]David old chap, why don't you leave two people alone to have an adult conversation without you interjecting with your usual dirge there's a good chap.[/p][/quote]That's all you got Woodsedge, every time debate and fact rears it's head you resort to playground tactics. David_divenghy2
  • Score: -4

8:16am Thu 13 Feb 14

Ich bin ein Kimberliner says...

Wilbraham wrote:
Ich bin ein Kimberliner wrote:
New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor


you.com/404822
Unless there are resignations the next time there is an election for PTC is May 2015.
Well spotted! I had actually forgotten what year it was - possibly all the hot air and bile that's been circulating recently made me woozy. Sort of like a local politics Dutch Oven.

The intent of the post is true though: now people have remembered the real-world potential of local politics, hopefully more people from a greater cross-section of our community will get involved.
[quote][p][bold]Wilbraham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ich bin ein Kimberliner[/bold] wrote: New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/404822[/p][/quote]Unless there are resignations the next time there is an election for PTC is May 2015.[/p][/quote]Well spotted! I had actually forgotten what year it was - possibly all the hot air and bile that's been circulating recently made me woozy. Sort of like a local politics Dutch Oven. The intent of the post is true though: now people have remembered the real-world potential of local politics, hopefully more people from a greater cross-section of our community will get involved. Ich bin ein Kimberliner
  • Score: 2

8:46am Thu 13 Feb 14

Ich bin ein Kimberliner says...

woodsedge wrote:
studentlocal wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Ich bin ein Kimberliner wrote:
New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor




you.com/404822
PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA.
There are already enough nut-jobs in the council already.
Quite agree, anyone who thinks UKIP are the answer to Portlands or for that matter the UK's problems are frankly deluded.
People think you can trust big-brands. I happen to disagree. Liberal, Labour, Conservative, UKIP - it's like following a football team or favouring a brand of soap. When it gets down to really grass-roots, these parties can't really offer anything extra or special. Maybe people just find it easier to vote for someone representing a big name? The powers of PTU being so limited, you don't really get the real deal. Party politics is just a side-show this low down the democratic food chain.

The harder thing to do is to be pragmatic: to listen to all parties and then choose the platform the person is standing on based on what is best for you and family or job or whatever - and whether you can trust them to do what they're saying they'll do. I say it's harder this way because you have to take the time to actually listen and think. Then you might have to challenge your own prejudices about the 'brand' parties, because you might end up voting against your natural inclinations.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]studentlocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ich bin ein Kimberliner[/bold] wrote: New brooms required! Council Elections are being held on 22nd May. Who's up for it? Info about what it's all about and who can apply here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/404822[/p][/quote]PHONE THE UKIP OFFICE ON PORTLAND. AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL AREA.[/p][/quote]There are already enough nut-jobs in the council already.[/p][/quote]Quite agree, anyone who thinks UKIP are the answer to Portlands or for that matter the UK's problems are frankly deluded.[/p][/quote]People think you can trust big-brands. I happen to disagree. Liberal, Labour, Conservative, UKIP - it's like following a football team or favouring a brand of soap. When it gets down to really grass-roots, these parties can't really offer anything extra or special. Maybe people just find it easier to vote for someone representing a big name? The powers of PTU being so limited, you don't really get the real deal. Party politics is just a side-show this low down the democratic food chain. The harder thing to do is to be pragmatic: to listen to all parties and then choose the platform the person is standing on based on what is best for you and family or job or whatever - and whether you can trust them to do what they're saying they'll do. I say it's harder this way because you have to take the time to actually listen and think. Then you might have to challenge your own prejudices about the 'brand' parties, because you might end up voting against your natural inclinations. Ich bin ein Kimberliner
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Bob Goulding says...

Tillydog wrote:
Not sure I would call it a victory for the people,although John Thorner
done a great job as did all others involved in the petitions 3,000 is
abound a fifth of the Island population
.The others could not care less,which is a great shame
Ray Nowak's 2% is following the party line and he told us through these pages that he will not be standing again.
When you have Amanda Munroe and Richard Denton-White voting for 42.6% it was obvious they could not be trusted therefore 2% was inevitable.

I bet Morocco Tim will be laughing his shorts off. A hollow victory.
Dog Bless Portland and all it's people.x
Actually 3,000 is nearly 25% of the population, including children.
[quote][p][bold]Tillydog[/bold] wrote: Not sure I would call it a victory for the people,although John Thorner done a great job as did all others involved in the petitions 3,000 is abound a fifth of the Island population .The others could not care less,which is a great shame Ray Nowak's 2% is following the party line and he told us through these pages that he will not be standing again. When you have Amanda Munroe and Richard Denton-White voting for 42.6% it was obvious they could not be trusted therefore 2% was inevitable. I bet Morocco Tim will be laughing his shorts off. A hollow victory. Dog Bless Portland and all it's people.x[/p][/quote]Actually 3,000 is nearly 25% of the population, including children. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 0

12:02pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Pauldavid says...

Thank God the call for a vote of no confidence & resignations was ignored on the night. If the council had resigned en masse or been dismissed we would have been stuck with the £150 precept with no council in place to remove it - that would have been a bit of a pyrrhic victory for people power wouldn't it!

What we should now do perhaps is ensure that we get the mayor we want when Les hangs up whatever town mayors hang up. Perhaps another petition expressing who we want, or more importantly who we don't want in the position, would be the first steps in remodelling PTC. Unless of cause the general consensus is that we don't need PTC at all?

We live in interesting times, I hope to see you all at the next Borough council meeting (20th Feb, Weymouth) where we can became a vociferous and, perhaps, important Portland lobby group.
Thank God the call for a vote of no confidence & resignations was ignored on the night. If the council had resigned en masse or been dismissed we would have been stuck with the £150 precept with no council in place to remove it - that would have been a bit of a pyrrhic victory for people power wouldn't it! What we should now do perhaps is ensure that we get the mayor we want when Les hangs up whatever town mayors hang up. Perhaps another petition expressing who we want, or more importantly who we don't want in the position, would be the first steps in remodelling PTC. Unless of cause the general consensus is that we don't need PTC at all? We live in interesting times, I hope to see you all at the next Borough council meeting (20th Feb, Weymouth) where we can became a vociferous and, perhaps, important Portland lobby group. Pauldavid
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Throckape says...

We dont want anybody..
Read the minutes. PTC does nothing, has no governing clout and is just one more unnecessary level of government.

I say get rid of this residual dinosaur of placebo govenment. The community has shown many times it can come together when needed
We dont want anybody.. Read the minutes. PTC does nothing, has no governing clout and is just one more unnecessary level of government. I say get rid of this residual dinosaur of placebo govenment. The community has shown many times it can come together when needed Throckape
  • Score: 0

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