Quick learner driver gets speeding fine ... on a driving lesson

Stacie Ralphes was caught and fined for speeding while on a driving lesson

Stacie Ralphes was caught and fined for speeding while on a driving lesson

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A LEARNER driver has told of her shock after receiving a fine for speeding while on a driving lesson.

Stacie Ralphes, 17, was on a lesson with the AA Driving School in Weymouth when she was clocked travelling at 36mph through a 30mph zone.

The Portland teenager had 12 hours of driving under her belt when the car she was learning to drive in was caught speeding along Lanehouse Rocks Road.

Health and social care student Stacie was flabbergasted to find that she was liable for the incident after receiving a speeding ticket from Dorset Police.

She was given the choice of taking three penalty points or attending a driver awareness course.

Stacie said: “I was shocked to find that the notification was in my name. I thought the driving instructor would have made sure that speeding didn’t happen as that’s what they are there for.

“I was angry and frustrated. I understand that I was partially responsible but I felt as a learner driver who has just started, I’ve been learning to deal with everything else involved in driving.”

The novice driver, who opted to attend a driver awareness course, was initially told she would have to fund the £110 course fee herself.

She said: “I’ve lost my confidence when driving through this. It has been a big setback.”

Stacie’s mum Beverley Riseboro, 38, is calling for the AA Driving School to make learner drivers aware that they are liable for offences while on lessons.

She said: “I think when you are paying so much money for driving lessons people should know that something like this could happen.

“I’m a single parent and Stacie is at college. I’m paying for everything so to get whacked like this with £110 to pay for a course is awful.

“Stacie wants to be in a job where she looks after old people or disabled children and she will need to drive.

“When this happened she said she didn’t want to go driving ever again.

“I find it incredible that after 12 hours of driving my daughter could be solely responsible for this.”

Stacie has now left the AA Driving School and has resumed her lessons with a different driving school.

• WHEN the Echo contacted the AA, a spokesman said the driving school will pay for Stacie’s driver awareness course as ‘a gesture of goodwill’.

The spokesman added: “We are sorry that this incident has happened while Stacie was under our instruction and appreciate that this has caused distress for her and her family.

“However, the law is clear that if a motoring offence is committed then the driver is liable for any penalty, such as points on their licence or attending an awareness course, even if they are a learner. It is illegal for anyone other than the driver to take the penalty.

“We are still working with the family to resolve their complaint and would be happy to give them a cheque for the cost to attend the course.”

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7:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

Mango man says...

You were speeding love, not the instructor, take some personal responsibility and cut the "I've lost confidence because of this" rubbish.
You were speeding love, not the instructor, take some personal responsibility and cut the "I've lost confidence because of this" rubbish. Mango man
  • Score: 150

7:46am Wed 26 Feb 14

cosmick says...

Must be a great DRIVING INSTRUCTOR.
Must be a great DRIVING INSTRUCTOR. cosmick
  • Score: -17

8:05am Wed 26 Feb 14

macca18 says...

The learner driver should be aware of speed limit as should the instructor .
The learner driver should be aware of speed limit as should the instructor . macca18
  • Score: 102

8:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

Sideshow Bob says...

Let's not forget though that the speedo is in front of the driver, not the instructor. It's the learners responsibility to keep to the speed limits, it's not as if it's her first lesson......
Let's not forget though that the speedo is in front of the driver, not the instructor. It's the learners responsibility to keep to the speed limits, it's not as if it's her first lesson...... Sideshow Bob
  • Score: 104

9:00am Wed 26 Feb 14

Get a grip says...

Slow down remember you could have killed someone.

PS grow up at take responsibility for you own actions.
Slow down remember you could have killed someone. PS grow up at take responsibility for you own actions. Get a grip
  • Score: 103

9:38am Wed 26 Feb 14

whatever66 says...

Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................
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Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ . whatever66
  • Score: -23

10:17am Wed 26 Feb 14

melcombe boy says...

It doesn't matter how old or experienced you are the speed cameras will get you.
You claim because you have only been driving for 12 hours that you should be exempt . The article fails to mention the hours that have to be spent revising for the theory test. If anything the laws of the road should be far fresher in your mind because you have just had to study them and pass a test to prove that. It could be argued that because of this you should be more aware and cautious in traffic.
After 12 hours of driving you should really be coordinated and proficient enough to use the brake pedal.
Maybe you should view this event as a bit of good luck. You have learnt a valuable life lesson about the pitfalls of driving.
It doesn't matter how old or experienced you are the speed cameras will get you. You claim because you have only been driving for 12 hours that you should be exempt . The article fails to mention the hours that have to be spent revising for the theory test. If anything the laws of the road should be far fresher in your mind because you have just had to study them and pass a test to prove that. It could be argued that because of this you should be more aware and cautious in traffic. After 12 hours of driving you should really be coordinated and proficient enough to use the brake pedal. Maybe you should view this event as a bit of good luck. You have learnt a valuable life lesson about the pitfalls of driving. melcombe boy
  • Score: 49

10:36am Wed 26 Feb 14

Get a grip says...

Oh dear I think you may be in trouble once more.

You are a learner driver but you are sitting in the drivers seat, the keys are in the ignition, yet no driver in the pasanger seat.

As you are clearly on the highway you are in charge of the car.

Also your insurance will be invalid.

Never mind you can blame the Echo and ask them to pay.
Oh dear I think you may be in trouble once more. You are a learner driver but you are sitting in the drivers seat, the keys are in the ignition, yet no driver in the pasanger seat. As you are clearly on the highway you are in charge of the car. Also your insurance will be invalid. Never mind you can blame the Echo and ask them to pay. Get a grip
  • Score: 30

11:05am Wed 26 Feb 14

blobby96 says...

WATCH THE BLOODY SPEEDO!!!
WATCH THE BLOODY SPEEDO!!! blobby96
  • Score: 35

11:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

chesil beach says...

OK for you lot to blame the learner driver BUT the instructor should also have a ticket for letting it happen that is the person in charge , i/e when you are with a learner you have to be sober / under the drink drive limit / so 2 tickets for speeding should be right,
OK for you lot to blame the learner driver BUT the instructor should also have a ticket for letting it happen that is the person in charge , i/e when you are with a learner you have to be sober / under the drink drive limit / so 2 tickets for speeding should be right, chesil beach
  • Score: -11

11:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

Get a grip says...

PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo Get a grip
  • Score: 20

11:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

shy talk says...

Perhaps all learner drivers should attend a Driver Awareness Course before getting behind the wheel.
Perhaps all learner drivers should attend a Driver Awareness Course before getting behind the wheel. shy talk
  • Score: 34

12:09pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Coxywey says...

When i took my lessons many moons ago my instructor as well as teaching me to drive also kept an eye on the speed i was doing and if he felt i was going to fast told me so i could adjust my speed; it is very much a large part of their responsibility to monitor your driving whilst they are in charge of your teaching, when you are a new driver you are focused on the road and what you are being told it is easy to go a little over the speed .limit and not realise, people need to remember how it was when they took lessons and stop berating this girl.
When i took my lessons many moons ago my instructor as well as teaching me to drive also kept an eye on the speed i was doing and if he felt i was going to fast told me so i could adjust my speed; it is very much a large part of their responsibility to monitor your driving whilst they are in charge of your teaching, when you are a new driver you are focused on the road and what you are being told it is easy to go a little over the speed .limit and not realise, people need to remember how it was when they took lessons and stop berating this girl. Coxywey
  • Score: 8

12:39pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mango man says...

whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................

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I've read books that are shorter than that sentence!
[quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]I've read books that are shorter than that sentence! Mango man
  • Score: 32

12:50pm Wed 26 Feb 14

wykie says...

Everyone caught at lane house was doing 36mph strange one big con
Everyone caught at lane house was doing 36mph strange one big con wykie
  • Score: -3

12:55pm Wed 26 Feb 14

paul2164 says...

I'm amazed that someone learning to drive gets a ticket when they're under the instruction of a qualified driving instructor! It should be the instructors duty to prevent this type of thing happening. They have an obligation to the student driver. The instructor has separate foot pedals so if he thought she was going too fast, he should have either told her to slow down or used his own brake. After all, she only had 12 hours of lessons. Give her a break!
Not really sure why the mobile camera is always down that hill anyway. Has there been any accidents or deaths there?
I ran a campaign in Aylesbury, which was very successful, that exposed unfair usage of the mobile speed cameras. It's not just about safety anymore, it's all about revenue and looking good to head office!
This poor girl should not have received the ticket because she was under instruction. Hence the giant red L plates!
I'm amazed that someone learning to drive gets a ticket when they're under the instruction of a qualified driving instructor! It should be the instructors duty to prevent this type of thing happening. They have an obligation to the student driver. The instructor has separate foot pedals so if he thought she was going too fast, he should have either told her to slow down or used his own brake. After all, she only had 12 hours of lessons. Give her a break! Not really sure why the mobile camera is always down that hill anyway. Has there been any accidents or deaths there? I ran a campaign in Aylesbury, which was very successful, that exposed unfair usage of the mobile speed cameras. It's not just about safety anymore, it's all about revenue and looking good to head office! This poor girl should not have received the ticket because she was under instruction. Hence the giant red L plates! paul2164
  • Score: -15

1:00pm Wed 26 Feb 14

youngpete says...

Lanehouse rocks is 1 big police con,just about everyone gets caught there,its not an accident hot spot & a lot of vehicles need a little run up to make the hill.
Lanehouse rocks is 1 big police con,just about everyone gets caught there,its not an accident hot spot & a lot of vehicles need a little run up to make the hill. youngpete
  • Score: -2

1:56pm Wed 26 Feb 14

RifRafDac says...

Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing!
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing! RifRafDac
  • Score: -4

1:58pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Laadeeda says...

shy talk wrote:
Perhaps all learner drivers should attend a Driver Awareness Course before getting behind the wheel.
Agree, or keep L plates on, (green or red), until driver awareness has been successfully completed.
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: Perhaps all learner drivers should attend a Driver Awareness Course before getting behind the wheel.[/p][/quote]Agree, or keep L plates on, (green or red), until driver awareness has been successfully completed. Laadeeda
  • Score: 10

1:58pm Wed 26 Feb 14

RifRafDac says...

paul2164 wrote:
I'm amazed that someone learning to drive gets a ticket when they're under the instruction of a qualified driving instructor! It should be the instructors duty to prevent this type of thing happening. They have an obligation to the student driver. The instructor has separate foot pedals so if he thought she was going too fast, he should have either told her to slow down or used his own brake. After all, she only had 12 hours of lessons. Give her a break!
Not really sure why the mobile camera is always down that hill anyway. Has there been any accidents or deaths there?
I ran a campaign in Aylesbury, which was very successful, that exposed unfair usage of the mobile speed cameras. It's not just about safety anymore, it's all about revenue and looking good to head office!
This poor girl should not have received the ticket because she was under instruction. Hence the giant red L plates!
Completely agree. People on here have nothing better to do, that's the problem. They are so perfect in their lives after all.
[quote][p][bold]paul2164[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed that someone learning to drive gets a ticket when they're under the instruction of a qualified driving instructor! It should be the instructors duty to prevent this type of thing happening. They have an obligation to the student driver. The instructor has separate foot pedals so if he thought she was going too fast, he should have either told her to slow down or used his own brake. After all, she only had 12 hours of lessons. Give her a break! Not really sure why the mobile camera is always down that hill anyway. Has there been any accidents or deaths there? I ran a campaign in Aylesbury, which was very successful, that exposed unfair usage of the mobile speed cameras. It's not just about safety anymore, it's all about revenue and looking good to head office! This poor girl should not have received the ticket because she was under instruction. Hence the giant red L plates![/p][/quote]Completely agree. People on here have nothing better to do, that's the problem. They are so perfect in their lives after all. RifRafDac
  • Score: -8

2:00pm Wed 26 Feb 14

JackJohnson says...

Surely the responsible person is the driving instructor or qualified driver when a learner is behind the wheel? In this case I would have expected the instructor to pick up the ticket and the learner to be advised to change their instructor.
Surely the responsible person is the driving instructor or qualified driver when a learner is behind the wheel? In this case I would have expected the instructor to pick up the ticket and the learner to be advised to change their instructor. JackJohnson
  • Score: -8

2:02pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Laadeeda says...

paul2164 wrote:
I'm amazed that someone learning to drive gets a ticket when they're under the instruction of a qualified driving instructor! It should be the instructors duty to prevent this type of thing happening. They have an obligation to the student driver. The instructor has separate foot pedals so if he thought she was going too fast, he should have either told her to slow down or used his own brake. After all, she only had 12 hours of lessons. Give her a break!
Not really sure why the mobile camera is always down that hill anyway. Has there been any accidents or deaths there?
I ran a campaign in Aylesbury, which was very successful, that exposed unfair usage of the mobile speed cameras. It's not just about safety anymore, it's all about revenue and looking good to head office!
This poor girl should not have received the ticket because she was under instruction. Hence the giant red L plates!
The driver is in charge of the vehicle and she should be conversant with the theory. which includes driving speed limits and road conditions. She will have taken hazard awareness and theory tests prior to getting behind the wheel.

No excuses - she was driving and she was responsible for the vehicles movement. Take it on the chin, pay your fine and get on with it, valuable lesson learnt - I hope!
[quote][p][bold]paul2164[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed that someone learning to drive gets a ticket when they're under the instruction of a qualified driving instructor! It should be the instructors duty to prevent this type of thing happening. They have an obligation to the student driver. The instructor has separate foot pedals so if he thought she was going too fast, he should have either told her to slow down or used his own brake. After all, she only had 12 hours of lessons. Give her a break! Not really sure why the mobile camera is always down that hill anyway. Has there been any accidents or deaths there? I ran a campaign in Aylesbury, which was very successful, that exposed unfair usage of the mobile speed cameras. It's not just about safety anymore, it's all about revenue and looking good to head office! This poor girl should not have received the ticket because she was under instruction. Hence the giant red L plates![/p][/quote]The driver is in charge of the vehicle and she should be conversant with the theory. which includes driving speed limits and road conditions. She will have taken hazard awareness and theory tests prior to getting behind the wheel. No excuses - she was driving and she was responsible for the vehicles movement. Take it on the chin, pay your fine and get on with it, valuable lesson learnt - I hope! Laadeeda
  • Score: 14

2:04pm Wed 26 Feb 14

muttleyhanna says...

Just take the 3 points, I did and had no effect on my insurance. Funny how you can break the law, by speeding, and then BUY you way out of the law by going on a course. They will forget about the points, yet happy to take more money from you, still as we all know speed camera's are nothing to do with making money.
Just take the 3 points, I did and had no effect on my insurance. Funny how you can break the law, by speeding, and then BUY you way out of the law by going on a course. They will forget about the points, yet happy to take more money from you, still as we all know speed camera's are nothing to do with making money. muttleyhanna
  • Score: -5

2:15pm Wed 26 Feb 14

shy talk says...

wykie wrote:
Everyone caught at lane house was doing 36mph strange one big con
The reason people are being caught speeding at 36 mph in a 30 mph zone. This is the threshold is set by the Dorset Camera Partnership. Between 30 to 35 mph you will not get a ticket.

The reason for this is your speedometer is not a calibrated instrument and they have to allow leeway. This applies to all speed limits up to 70 mph all having different thresholds.

The thresholds in a 30 mph zone are 36 to 42 mph driver awareness course or choose the fine and points on your licence. 43 to 55 mph fixed penalty. Above 56 mph you go to Court.
[quote][p][bold]wykie[/bold] wrote: Everyone caught at lane house was doing 36mph strange one big con[/p][/quote]The reason people are being caught speeding at 36 mph in a 30 mph zone. This is the threshold is set by the Dorset Camera Partnership. Between 30 to 35 mph you will not get a ticket. The reason for this is your speedometer is not a calibrated instrument and they have to allow leeway. This applies to all speed limits up to 70 mph all having different thresholds. The thresholds in a 30 mph zone are 36 to 42 mph driver awareness course or choose the fine and points on your licence. 43 to 55 mph fixed penalty. Above 56 mph you go to Court. shy talk
  • Score: 20

2:27pm Wed 26 Feb 14

melcombe boy says...

RifRafDac wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing!
She has brought it all on her self. If you allow the Echo to the run such a story then you have to be prepared to take the flak.
I think you need to get a grip if you go bleating to the Echo.
Embarrassing!
[quote][p][bold]RifRafDac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing![/p][/quote]She has brought it all on her self. If you allow the Echo to the run such a story then you have to be prepared to take the flak. I think you need to get a grip if you go bleating to the Echo. Embarrassing! melcombe boy
  • Score: 23

2:36pm Wed 26 Feb 14

RifRafDac says...

melcombe boy wrote:
RifRafDac wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing!
She has brought it all on her self. If you allow the Echo to the run such a story then you have to be prepared to take the flak.
I think you need to get a grip if you go bleating to the Echo.
Embarrassing!
Now get all your echo mates to back you up. Pathetic little man!
[quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RifRafDac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing![/p][/quote]She has brought it all on her self. If you allow the Echo to the run such a story then you have to be prepared to take the flak. I think you need to get a grip if you go bleating to the Echo. Embarrassing![/p][/quote]Now get all your echo mates to back you up. Pathetic little man! RifRafDac
  • Score: -21

2:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

portland rebel says...

the main lesson in motoring education , if they can fine you they will.
the main lesson in motoring education , if they can fine you they will. portland rebel
  • Score: 10

3:05pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Weymouth Ex-pat says...

I am slightly concerned about a couple of people on here who have talked about "needing a bit of a run-up" to get up and over Lanehouse. Haven't you heard of gears? That's what they're for. Maybe you need some driving refresher lessons.
I am slightly concerned about a couple of people on here who have talked about "needing a bit of a run-up" to get up and over Lanehouse. Haven't you heard of gears? That's what they're for. Maybe you need some driving refresher lessons. Weymouth Ex-pat
  • Score: 44

3:07pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Get a grip says...

Putting to one side inderviduals and this story I do wonder if the notion that it was not my responsibility has just gone too far.

Possibly newspapers should take a responsible attitude when running stories.
Putting to one side inderviduals and this story I do wonder if the notion that it was not my responsibility has just gone too far. Possibly newspapers should take a responsible attitude when running stories. Get a grip
  • Score: 13

3:18pm Wed 26 Feb 14

CoogarUK.com says...

I'm sure there's a great 'nut behind the wheel' joke here somewhere, if only I could be bothered to dig deep enough!
I'm sure there's a great 'nut behind the wheel' joke here somewhere, if only I could be bothered to dig deep enough! CoogarUK.com
  • Score: 8

3:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

melcombe boy says...

RifRafDac wrote:
melcombe boy wrote:
RifRafDac wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing!
She has brought it all on her self. If you allow the Echo to the run such a story then you have to be prepared to take the flak.
I think you need to get a grip if you go bleating to the Echo.
Embarrassing!
Now get all your echo mates to back you up. Pathetic little man!
Thanks for the compliment. Have a nice day.
[quote][p][bold]RifRafDac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melcombe boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RifRafDac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]Why do you care so much? So many comments about it now. Yes the girl has made a mistake and yes she has no excuses, she was the one driving the car. There is no need however to try and boost your own self esteem by ripping into some young girl who has made a mistake. I think you really need to get a grip if you are that bothered by someone not wearing a seat belt and that the life you live consists of making pathetic comments on a newspaper website. Embarrassing![/p][/quote]She has brought it all on her self. If you allow the Echo to the run such a story then you have to be prepared to take the flak. I think you need to get a grip if you go bleating to the Echo. Embarrassing![/p][/quote]Now get all your echo mates to back you up. Pathetic little man![/p][/quote]Thanks for the compliment. Have a nice day. melcombe boy
  • Score: 11

4:20pm Wed 26 Feb 14

seashellbill says...

Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence. seashellbill
  • Score: -3

4:52pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Kimberlin says...

As soon as I read this story I knew what was predictably going to be written underneath..

Yada yada .. She should accept the fine and stop moaning etc Yawn!

When I was on one of my first lessons I was driving so slowly that the woman in the car behind me started beeping her horn, then eventually revved the engine and passed us glaring out the window as she did so. Unfortunately for her she was going the same way as us and my instructor noticed her getting out of her car at the Verne car park . He told me to park up and then ripped in to this woman explaining that I was a learner and deserved to be cut some slack.

I was very grateful and as a result I myself am always extremely patient and courteous when I find myself behind a learner. So give the girl a break and then perhaps go back read what you've written and take a good look in something reflective?
As soon as I read this story I knew what was predictably going to be written underneath.. Yada yada .. She should accept the fine and stop moaning etc Yawn! When I was on one of my first lessons I was driving so slowly that the woman in the car behind me started beeping her horn, then eventually revved the engine and passed us glaring out the window as she did so. Unfortunately for her she was going the same way as us and my instructor noticed her getting out of her car at the Verne car park . He told me to park up and then ripped in to this woman explaining that I was a learner and deserved to be cut some slack. I was very grateful and as a result I myself am always extremely patient and courteous when I find myself behind a learner. So give the girl a break and then perhaps go back read what you've written and take a good look in something reflective? Kimberlin
  • Score: 3

5:04pm Wed 26 Feb 14

AlanGreening says...

seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?
[quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine? AlanGreening
  • Score: 5

6:24pm Wed 26 Feb 14

seashellbill says...

AlanGreening wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?
If she was prompted and ignored the prompt then I, as an instructor would have GENTLY used the dual controls to slow the car down and at the first opportunity asked the pupil to pull in to the side of the road and would have had a conversation about their speed! This girl had, apparently, only had 12 hours of tuition. I would have expected that by the time she was ready for her test, she would have been more speed aware.
[quote][p][bold]AlanGreening[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?[/p][/quote]If she was prompted and ignored the prompt then I, as an instructor would have GENTLY used the dual controls to slow the car down and at the first opportunity asked the pupil to pull in to the side of the road and would have had a conversation about their speed! This girl had, apparently, only had 12 hours of tuition. I would have expected that by the time she was ready for her test, she would have been more speed aware. seashellbill
  • Score: 3

6:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

AlanGreening says...

seashellbill wrote:
AlanGreening wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?
If she was prompted and ignored the prompt then I, as an instructor would have GENTLY used the dual controls to slow the car down and at the first opportunity asked the pupil to pull in to the side of the road and would have had a conversation about their speed! This girl had, apparently, only had 12 hours of tuition. I would have expected that by the time she was ready for her test, she would have been more speed aware.
Again, you do not know whether the girl ignored an instruction or whether she actually did slow down but not before she had been clocked by the camera so your criticism is unwarranted as it is based on supposition. It seems you just want a chance to say how good you used to be at the job.
[quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanGreening[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?[/p][/quote]If she was prompted and ignored the prompt then I, as an instructor would have GENTLY used the dual controls to slow the car down and at the first opportunity asked the pupil to pull in to the side of the road and would have had a conversation about their speed! This girl had, apparently, only had 12 hours of tuition. I would have expected that by the time she was ready for her test, she would have been more speed aware.[/p][/quote]Again, you do not know whether the girl ignored an instruction or whether she actually did slow down but not before she had been clocked by the camera so your criticism is unwarranted as it is based on supposition. It seems you just want a chance to say how good you used to be at the job. AlanGreening
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Atilla says...

If you went too fast when I learnt to drive you risked running over the bloke with the red flag!!
If you went too fast when I learnt to drive you risked running over the bloke with the red flag!! Atilla
  • Score: 7

7:18pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Redmic99 says...

Mango man wrote:
You were speeding love, not the instructor, take some personal responsibility and cut the "I've lost confidence because of this" rubbish.
How bloody patronising.......
[quote][p][bold]Mango man[/bold] wrote: You were speeding love, not the instructor, take some personal responsibility and cut the "I've lost confidence because of this" rubbish.[/p][/quote]How bloody patronising....... Redmic99
  • Score: -9

8:04pm Wed 26 Feb 14

JackJohnson says...

AlanGreening wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?
If she had been on a driving test an examiner would use dual controls if he/she thought it necessary to assure the safety of the vehicle and/or occupants and/or others. As the student (and instructor) are both under the impression that the test subject has sufficient knowledge and experience to pass a driving test then it could also be assumed that the subject is able to control the speed of the vehicle within the limits of the stretch of road he/she is on. It is, therefore, correct for the subject to be liable for the fine and points or driver awareness course. It should also be expected that he/she would fail the test.

However, where a driver not deemed experienced enough to take the test has broken the law it is, surely, unfair for them to take full responsibity. This is, perhaps, an area of motoring law that needs to be changed. Making anyone supervising a learner driver at least partially responsible should, in theory, help to improve the standard of driver training. That isn't going to happen any time soon though.
[quote][p][bold]AlanGreening[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?[/p][/quote]If she had been on a driving test an examiner would use dual controls if he/she thought it necessary to assure the safety of the vehicle and/or occupants and/or others. As the student (and instructor) are both under the impression that the test subject has sufficient knowledge and experience to pass a driving test then it could also be assumed that the subject is able to control the speed of the vehicle within the limits of the stretch of road he/she is on. It is, therefore, correct for the subject to be liable for the fine and points or driver awareness course. It should also be expected that he/she would fail the test. However, where a driver not deemed experienced enough to take the test has broken the law it is, surely, unfair for them to take full responsibity. This is, perhaps, an area of motoring law that needs to be changed. Making anyone supervising a learner driver at least partially responsible should, in theory, help to improve the standard of driver training. That isn't going to happen any time soon though. JackJohnson
  • Score: 0

8:28pm Wed 26 Feb 14

kay pickett says...

yawn yawn
yawn yawn kay pickett
  • Score: -5

9:13pm Wed 26 Feb 14

radiator says...

These speed camera vans seem to be always on a bottom of a hill and more so at Lanehouse where the road has a nasty little steep naps you could be braking all the way down and keeping to 30 and if you ease off the brake just for a few seconds you can easily be exceeding the limit.I am sure years ago that a police vehicle had to follow you for a certain distance if you were speeding before convicting, now it seems you can be had for speeding in a few yards
These speed camera vans seem to be always on a bottom of a hill and more so at Lanehouse where the road has a nasty little steep naps you could be braking all the way down and keeping to 30 and if you ease off the brake just for a few seconds you can easily be exceeding the limit.I am sure years ago that a police vehicle had to follow you for a certain distance if you were speeding before convicting, now it seems you can be had for speeding in a few yards radiator
  • Score: 3

9:48pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Billy1mate says...

It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie.
As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them.
It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie. As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them. Billy1mate
  • Score: 1

10:14pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Under35andout says...

hahahha get another and get banned within a year looooooooool
hahahha get another and get banned within a year looooooooool Under35andout
  • Score: -1

10:29pm Wed 26 Feb 14

paul2164 says...

seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
yeah well said!!
[quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]yeah well said!! paul2164
  • Score: -3

10:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

beverley.r says...

seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
finally someone gets my point!!
[quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]finally someone gets my point!! beverley.r
  • Score: -1

6:19am Thu 27 Feb 14

koeterwaals says...

portland rebel wrote:
the main lesson in motoring education , if they can fine you they will.
No, I think the lesson is, If you do something wrong they will fine you.
[quote][p][bold]portland rebel[/bold] wrote: the main lesson in motoring education , if they can fine you they will.[/p][/quote]No, I think the lesson is, If you do something wrong they will fine you. koeterwaals
  • Score: 6

8:57am Thu 27 Feb 14

martaaay2 says...

just missing a 'powered by fairy dust' sticker

Take your medicine girl dont go running to the local rag claming its not your fault, you will find these speed cameras in loads of great hiding places

By the way if you speed on your test repeatedly you may not even pass it, (that would also be your fault)
just missing a 'powered by fairy dust' sticker Take your medicine girl dont go running to the local rag claming its not your fault, you will find these speed cameras in loads of great hiding places By the way if you speed on your test repeatedly you may not even pass it, (that would also be your fault) martaaay2
  • Score: 8

9:13am Thu 27 Feb 14

thatguyyouknow says...

whaaaaa whaaaaaa - dry your tears kid and take responsibility for your actions. If you don't want to take responsibility for your actions then please stop learning to drive.
whaaaaa whaaaaaa - dry your tears kid and take responsibility for your actions. If you don't want to take responsibility for your actions then please stop learning to drive. thatguyyouknow
  • Score: 4

9:49am Thu 27 Feb 14

caz maz says...

Point one: You do NOT need to have passed your theory/hazard perception test to start learning to drive on the public highway! You need to have passed it by the time you do the practical test!

Point two: Been under instruction is just that, If you chose not to do as instructed its your problem!

Point three: It would depend where the speedo is mounted as to whether the instructor could see the speedo clearly if at all! (although considering the car would have been purchased with the idea it would be used to instruct learner drivers, one with a central digital speedo would have been the sensible option. and if not some sat navs will display the speed at which you are traveling but they are not always reliable.)

Point four: She was on a lesson..............
........I think she learnt hers the hard way but going on the driver awareness course will be some of the best instruction she will ever get...........with free tea and biscuits :-)
Point one: You do NOT need to have passed your theory/hazard perception test to start learning to drive on the public highway! You need to have passed it by the time you do the practical test! Point two: Been under instruction is just that, If you chose not to do as instructed its your problem! Point three: It would depend where the speedo is mounted as to whether the instructor could see the speedo clearly if at all! (although considering the car would have been purchased with the idea it would be used to instruct learner drivers, one with a central digital speedo would have been the sensible option. and if not some sat navs will display the speed at which you are traveling but they are not always reliable.) Point four: She was on a lesson.............. ........I think she learnt hers the hard way but going on the driver awareness course will be some of the best instruction she will ever get...........with free tea and biscuits :-) caz maz
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Bob Goulding says...

Billy1mate wrote:
It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie.
As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them.
As there is a strong likelihood that the awareness course will be run by AA Drive Tech the AA is in a no lose situation here. Perhaps their driving instructor should go on a refresher course as well.
[quote][p][bold]Billy1mate[/bold] wrote: It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie. As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them.[/p][/quote]As there is a strong likelihood that the awareness course will be run by AA Drive Tech the AA is in a no lose situation here. Perhaps their driving instructor should go on a refresher course as well. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Thu 27 Feb 14

hoopeybird says...

i have been concerned for a while now about driving instructors.Only this morning driving up the ridgeway there was a learner driver with a well known driving school-she was swapping lanes without indicating,nearly hit a moped,stopping suddenly and not moving off when the traffic flow allowed.She was very dangerous-but the instructor appeared to do nothing about it.It was his duty to make sure she drove safely.
What is the point of having an instructor if he/she doesnt instruct correctly.
The first few times i drove with my instructor-many moons ago-he used to brake for me to keep me within the limit and he would point out the limits.
The instructor wants sacking in this case i think.
i have been concerned for a while now about driving instructors.Only this morning driving up the ridgeway there was a learner driver with a well known driving school-she was swapping lanes without indicating,nearly hit a moped,stopping suddenly and not moving off when the traffic flow allowed.She was very dangerous-but the instructor appeared to do nothing about it.It was his duty to make sure she drove safely. What is the point of having an instructor if he/she doesnt instruct correctly. The first few times i drove with my instructor-many moons ago-he used to brake for me to keep me within the limit and he would point out the limits. The instructor wants sacking in this case i think. hoopeybird
  • Score: 5

1:18pm Thu 27 Feb 14

JamesYoung says...

beverley.r wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
finally someone gets my point!!
I get your point.
It's irrelevant.
It's hard to accurately judge speed from the passenger seat.
The girl concerned should have been aware of the highway code before she got in the car.
She could, quite literally, have killed somebody.
[quote][p][bold]beverley.r[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]finally someone gets my point!![/p][/quote]I get your point. It's irrelevant. It's hard to accurately judge speed from the passenger seat. The girl concerned should have been aware of the highway code before she got in the car. She could, quite literally, have killed somebody. JamesYoung
  • Score: 6

1:25pm Thu 27 Feb 14

snakesalive says...

I just followed an AA instructor on Chickerell Road coming to the lights by the army camp, this is a 30mph stretch of road and they had to be doing 40 as they pulled way ahead of me and I was doing 30. It is the instructor they have dual control so surely they must have some control on speed too.
I just followed an AA instructor on Chickerell Road coming to the lights by the army camp, this is a 30mph stretch of road and they had to be doing 40 as they pulled way ahead of me and I was doing 30. It is the instructor they have dual control so surely they must have some control on speed too. snakesalive
  • Score: 7

1:52pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Bob Goulding says...

JamesYoung wrote:
beverley.r wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
finally someone gets my point!!
I get your point.
It's irrelevant.
It's hard to accurately judge speed from the passenger seat.
The girl concerned should have been aware of the highway code before she got in the car.
She could, quite literally, have killed somebody.
Whilst I agree that speed awareness should be a key element of driver training from the off, it is actually not that difficult for a trained 'speed aware' instructor to fairly accurately judge the speed of a vehicle in which they spend several hours a day following the same routes. At relatively low speeds, a few mph over the limit is quite noticeable if you are looking for it.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beverley.r[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]finally someone gets my point!![/p][/quote]I get your point. It's irrelevant. It's hard to accurately judge speed from the passenger seat. The girl concerned should have been aware of the highway code before she got in the car. She could, quite literally, have killed somebody.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree that speed awareness should be a key element of driver training from the off, it is actually not that difficult for a trained 'speed aware' instructor to fairly accurately judge the speed of a vehicle in which they spend several hours a day following the same routes. At relatively low speeds, a few mph over the limit is quite noticeable if you are looking for it. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Thu 27 Feb 14

seashellbill says...

AlanGreening wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
AlanGreening wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?
If she was prompted and ignored the prompt then I, as an instructor would have GENTLY used the dual controls to slow the car down and at the first opportunity asked the pupil to pull in to the side of the road and would have had a conversation about their speed! This girl had, apparently, only had 12 hours of tuition. I would have expected that by the time she was ready for her test, she would have been more speed aware.
Again, you do not know whether the girl ignored an instruction or whether she actually did slow down but not before she had been clocked by the camera so your criticism is unwarranted as it is based on supposition. It seems you just want a chance to say how good you used to be at the job.
That's because I WAS good at my job - being amongst the top 10% of driving instructors in Britain! Hence I don't need to stay on my soap box, unlike you and so many other correspondents on this site.
[quote][p][bold]AlanGreening[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanGreening[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]How do you know she was not prompted to slow down then? I notice you say that you never had a pupil caught for any offences, not that they didn't commit any. As she was only just above the speed limit there would appear to be no reason for the instructor to intervene with the dual controls as I believe they are only meant to be used as a last resort. If she had been on a driving test would the examiner have used the dual controls and would you also believe that the examiner was liable for the points and fine?[/p][/quote]If she was prompted and ignored the prompt then I, as an instructor would have GENTLY used the dual controls to slow the car down and at the first opportunity asked the pupil to pull in to the side of the road and would have had a conversation about their speed! This girl had, apparently, only had 12 hours of tuition. I would have expected that by the time she was ready for her test, she would have been more speed aware.[/p][/quote]Again, you do not know whether the girl ignored an instruction or whether she actually did slow down but not before she had been clocked by the camera so your criticism is unwarranted as it is based on supposition. It seems you just want a chance to say how good you used to be at the job.[/p][/quote]That's because I WAS good at my job - being amongst the top 10% of driving instructors in Britain! Hence I don't need to stay on my soap box, unlike you and so many other correspondents on this site. seashellbill
  • Score: -5

3:06pm Thu 27 Feb 14

toyota777 says...

This is an utter disgrace,the instructor should have kept her under control he is teaching her to drive not getting a lift home ,teaching proper speed control in different circumstances is part of his job ,was he asleep? When I learnt to drive my instructor would have applied the brakes and told me to change down. Obviously judging by the amount of unsympathetic stupid remarks nobody else had to learn to drive, they were born drivers ha ha, I sympathise with the girl and think think the so-called instructor should pay the fine, he, not the learner is in charge of the vehicle.
This is an utter disgrace,the instructor should have kept her under control he is teaching her to drive not getting a lift home ,teaching proper speed control in different circumstances is part of his job ,was he asleep? When I learnt to drive my instructor would have applied the brakes and told me to change down. Obviously judging by the amount of unsympathetic stupid remarks nobody else had to learn to drive, they were born drivers ha ha, I sympathise with the girl and think think the so-called instructor should pay the fine, he, not the learner is in charge of the vehicle. toyota777
  • Score: 3

3:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Billy1mate says...

Bob Goulding wrote:
Billy1mate wrote: It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie. As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them.
As there is a strong likelihood that the awareness course will be run by AA Drive Tech the AA is in a no lose situation here. Perhaps their driving instructor should go on a refresher course as well.
The driver awareness course is run by the Dorset Scamera Partnership and the money goes to them not the AA. Incidentally, if points are accepted the fine goes to the Treasury and not the Scamera Partnership. Why should the driving instructor go on a 'refresher' course?
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billy1mate[/bold] wrote: It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie. As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them.[/p][/quote]As there is a strong likelihood that the awareness course will be run by AA Drive Tech the AA is in a no lose situation here. Perhaps their driving instructor should go on a refresher course as well.[/p][/quote]The driver awareness course is run by the Dorset Scamera Partnership and the money goes to them not the AA. Incidentally, if points are accepted the fine goes to the Treasury and not the Scamera Partnership. Why should the driving instructor go on a 'refresher' course? Billy1mate
  • Score: 6

3:34pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Billy1mate says...

toyota777 wrote:
This is an utter disgrace,the instructor should have kept her under control he is teaching her to drive not getting a lift home ,teaching proper speed control in different circumstances is part of his job ,was he asleep? When I learnt to drive my instructor would have applied the brakes and told me to change down. Obviously judging by the amount of unsympathetic stupid remarks nobody else had to learn to drive, they were born drivers ha ha, I sympathise with the girl and think think the so-called instructor should pay the fine, he, not the learner is in charge of the vehicle.
It is always someone elses fault.
[quote][p][bold]toyota777[/bold] wrote: This is an utter disgrace,the instructor should have kept her under control he is teaching her to drive not getting a lift home ,teaching proper speed control in different circumstances is part of his job ,was he asleep? When I learnt to drive my instructor would have applied the brakes and told me to change down. Obviously judging by the amount of unsympathetic stupid remarks nobody else had to learn to drive, they were born drivers ha ha, I sympathise with the girl and think think the so-called instructor should pay the fine, he, not the learner is in charge of the vehicle.[/p][/quote]It is always someone elses fault. Billy1mate
  • Score: 7

4:05pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Bob Goulding says...

Billy1mate wrote:
Bob Goulding wrote:
Billy1mate wrote: It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie. As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them.
As there is a strong likelihood that the awareness course will be run by AA Drive Tech the AA is in a no lose situation here. Perhaps their driving instructor should go on a refresher course as well.
The driver awareness course is run by the Dorset Scamera Partnership and the money goes to them not the AA. Incidentally, if points are accepted the fine goes to the Treasury and not the Scamera Partnership. Why should the driving instructor go on a 'refresher' course?
Okay, but it could quite as easily have been AA Drive Tech as they do operate in this area. The driving instructor is clearly not as speed aware as he/she should be and, given that that it is their job to teach speed awareness, amongst other things, they have clearly failed in this instance. I think there is a case for an offence of 'Instructing without due care and attention'.
[quote][p][bold]Billy1mate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billy1mate[/bold] wrote: It is always someone else's fault, take responsibility for your actions Stacie. As for the AA offering to pay, I would thank them.[/p][/quote]As there is a strong likelihood that the awareness course will be run by AA Drive Tech the AA is in a no lose situation here. Perhaps their driving instructor should go on a refresher course as well.[/p][/quote]The driver awareness course is run by the Dorset Scamera Partnership and the money goes to them not the AA. Incidentally, if points are accepted the fine goes to the Treasury and not the Scamera Partnership. Why should the driving instructor go on a 'refresher' course?[/p][/quote]Okay, but it could quite as easily have been AA Drive Tech as they do operate in this area. The driving instructor is clearly not as speed aware as he/she should be and, given that that it is their job to teach speed awareness, amongst other things, they have clearly failed in this instance. I think there is a case for an offence of 'Instructing without due care and attention'. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 2

4:12pm Thu 27 Feb 14

fluffyrabbit says...

toyota777 wrote:
This is an utter disgrace,the instructor should have kept her under control he is teaching her to drive not getting a lift home ,teaching proper speed control in different circumstances is part of his job ,was he asleep? When I learnt to drive my instructor would have applied the brakes and told me to change down. Obviously judging by the amount of unsympathetic stupid remarks nobody else had to learn to drive, they were born drivers ha ha, I sympathise with the girl and think think the so-called instructor should pay the fine, he, not the learner is in charge of the vehicle.
I agree with toyata777 and all of the other people on here sticking up for Stacie, as for all of the other people on here giving the young girl a hard time shame on you, she has learnt the hard way and she will never forget this. Let's hope it hasn't put her off driving as she wants her licence for her job!! Carry on driving Stacie, and at least other learner drivers now know about getting fined if they are speeding, but a good instructor will give her the proper tuition she needs!!
[quote][p][bold]toyota777[/bold] wrote: This is an utter disgrace,the instructor should have kept her under control he is teaching her to drive not getting a lift home ,teaching proper speed control in different circumstances is part of his job ,was he asleep? When I learnt to drive my instructor would have applied the brakes and told me to change down. Obviously judging by the amount of unsympathetic stupid remarks nobody else had to learn to drive, they were born drivers ha ha, I sympathise with the girl and think think the so-called instructor should pay the fine, he, not the learner is in charge of the vehicle.[/p][/quote]I agree with toyata777 and all of the other people on here sticking up for Stacie, as for all of the other people on here giving the young girl a hard time shame on you, she has learnt the hard way and she will never forget this. Let's hope it hasn't put her off driving as she wants her licence for her job!! Carry on driving Stacie, and at least other learner drivers now know about getting fined if they are speeding, but a good instructor will give her the proper tuition she needs!! fluffyrabbit
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Thu 27 Feb 14

whatever66 says...

Mango man wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................


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I've read books that are shorter than that sentence!
And your a div so be it.
Short enough for you.
[quote][p][bold]Mango man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]I've read books that are shorter than that sentence![/p][/quote]And your a div so be it. Short enough for you. whatever66
  • Score: -5

8:28pm Thu 27 Feb 14

luffy22 says...

whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................

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Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users
[quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users luffy22
  • Score: 5

8:38pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Ruedipr says...

seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
Bad enough that as an instructor you considered using dual controls to drive for your pupils. A good instructor only would use duals in real emergencies or maybe for demonstration purpose. I'd certainly agree with prompting the student to slow down, yet, we don't know the full story here. Apart from that not every instructor has duals - I have taught many learners in their own cars without such. It's not only about learning to drive but also learning to take responsibility, something that is dearly needed, even by full licence holders. The way this learner has reacted on her own fault only proves the case that to date she is unwilling to take responsibility. In one sentence she claims she's lost all her confidence and never wanted to get behind the wheel again, in another she boasts that she has left the AA to take lessons with someone else. Maybe with someone like you, who'd suck up to her. Hopefully the driver awareness course will help.
[quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]Bad enough that as an instructor you considered using dual controls to drive for your pupils. A good instructor only would use duals in real emergencies or maybe for demonstration purpose. I'd certainly agree with prompting the student to slow down, yet, we don't know the full story here. Apart from that not every instructor has duals - I have taught many learners in their own cars without such. It's not only about learning to drive but also learning to take responsibility, something that is dearly needed, even by full licence holders. The way this learner has reacted on her own fault only proves the case that to date she is unwilling to take responsibility. In one sentence she claims she's lost all her confidence and never wanted to get behind the wheel again, in another she boasts that she has left the AA to take lessons with someone else. Maybe with someone like you, who'd suck up to her. Hopefully the driver awareness course will help. Ruedipr
  • Score: 5

10:24pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Bob Goulding says...

Ruedipr wrote:
seashellbill wrote:
Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.
Bad enough that as an instructor you considered using dual controls to drive for your pupils. A good instructor only would use duals in real emergencies or maybe for demonstration purpose. I'd certainly agree with prompting the student to slow down, yet, we don't know the full story here. Apart from that not every instructor has duals - I have taught many learners in their own cars without such. It's not only about learning to drive but also learning to take responsibility, something that is dearly needed, even by full licence holders. The way this learner has reacted on her own fault only proves the case that to date she is unwilling to take responsibility. In one sentence she claims she's lost all her confidence and never wanted to get behind the wheel again, in another she boasts that she has left the AA to take lessons with someone else. Maybe with someone like you, who'd suck up to her. Hopefully the driver awareness course will help.
What a load of nonsense. The instructor is there to instruct which includes advising on speed control and, if necessary, taking action to reduce the speed of the vehicle. The dual controls are there for safety reasons and I have never been comfortable with the practice of unqualified instructors teaching inexperienced learners without them. How would you have stopped a vehicle in an emergency without dual controls? Don't say grab the hand brake because that would not have worked. Seems you have had a lucky escape. The instructor was clearly negligent in this case regardless of the action and/or subsequent attitude of pupil.
[quote][p][bold]Ruedipr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seashellbill[/bold] wrote: Give this girl a break - yes she was driving, yes she was speeding, BUT she was supposedly being "supervised" by an instructor who was getting paid serious money to teach her to drive safely and within the law, he should have been very aware of her speed and should have prompted her to slow down, or if necessary used the dual controls to slow the car down. That's an instructors role - I'm speaking as an ex instructor who taught hundreds of people to drive and never once had one caught for speeding, or any other motoring offence.[/p][/quote]Bad enough that as an instructor you considered using dual controls to drive for your pupils. A good instructor only would use duals in real emergencies or maybe for demonstration purpose. I'd certainly agree with prompting the student to slow down, yet, we don't know the full story here. Apart from that not every instructor has duals - I have taught many learners in their own cars without such. It's not only about learning to drive but also learning to take responsibility, something that is dearly needed, even by full licence holders. The way this learner has reacted on her own fault only proves the case that to date she is unwilling to take responsibility. In one sentence she claims she's lost all her confidence and never wanted to get behind the wheel again, in another she boasts that she has left the AA to take lessons with someone else. Maybe with someone like you, who'd suck up to her. Hopefully the driver awareness course will help.[/p][/quote]What a load of nonsense. The instructor is there to instruct which includes advising on speed control and, if necessary, taking action to reduce the speed of the vehicle. The dual controls are there for safety reasons and I have never been comfortable with the practice of unqualified instructors teaching inexperienced learners without them. How would you have stopped a vehicle in an emergency without dual controls? Don't say grab the hand brake because that would not have worked. Seems you have had a lucky escape. The instructor was clearly negligent in this case regardless of the action and/or subsequent attitude of pupil. Bob Goulding
  • Score: -2

10:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

whatever66 says...

luffy22 wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................


.
Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users
Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test
What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.
[quote][p][bold]luffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users[/p][/quote]Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them. whatever66
  • Score: -5

10:08am Fri 28 Feb 14

The man with the badge says...

shy talk wrote:
wykie wrote:
Everyone caught at lane house was doing 36mph strange one big con
The reason people are being caught speeding at 36 mph in a 30 mph zone. This is the threshold is set by the Dorset Camera Partnership. Between 30 to 35 mph you will not get a ticket.

The reason for this is your speedometer is not a calibrated instrument and they have to allow leeway. This applies to all speed limits up to 70 mph all having different thresholds.

The thresholds in a 30 mph zone are 36 to 42 mph driver awareness course or choose the fine and points on your licence. 43 to 55 mph fixed penalty. Above 56 mph you go to Court.
The threshold is set by the Association of Chief Police Officers not the Camera Partnership.
[quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wykie[/bold] wrote: Everyone caught at lane house was doing 36mph strange one big con[/p][/quote]The reason people are being caught speeding at 36 mph in a 30 mph zone. This is the threshold is set by the Dorset Camera Partnership. Between 30 to 35 mph you will not get a ticket. The reason for this is your speedometer is not a calibrated instrument and they have to allow leeway. This applies to all speed limits up to 70 mph all having different thresholds. The thresholds in a 30 mph zone are 36 to 42 mph driver awareness course or choose the fine and points on your licence. 43 to 55 mph fixed penalty. Above 56 mph you go to Court.[/p][/quote]The threshold is set by the Association of Chief Police Officers not the Camera Partnership. The man with the badge
  • Score: 1

10:20am Fri 28 Feb 14

The man with the badge says...

Someone has already mentioned it on here. Gears are there too, to help control the vehicle. A lower gear will help going up and down the hill. There is no excuse (no pun intended) for speeding down a hill. I am not perfect and I do occasionally exceed the speed limit, but not on purpose. Use a lower gear and accelerator sense in built up areas. I think there should be regular driver refreshers because things change all the time.
Someone has already mentioned it on here. Gears are there too, to help control the vehicle. A lower gear will help going up and down the hill. There is no excuse (no pun intended) for speeding down a hill. I am not perfect and I do occasionally exceed the speed limit, but not on purpose. Use a lower gear and accelerator sense in built up areas. I think there should be regular driver refreshers because things change all the time. The man with the badge
  • Score: 6

10:22am Fri 28 Feb 14

The man with the badge says...

Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo. The man with the badge
  • Score: 1

11:39am Fri 28 Feb 14

JackJohnson says...

The man with the badge wrote:
Someone has already mentioned it on here. Gears are there too, to help control the vehicle. A lower gear will help going up and down the hill. There is no excuse (no pun intended) for speeding down a hill. I am not perfect and I do occasionally exceed the speed limit, but not on purpose. Use a lower gear and accelerator sense in built up areas. I think there should be regular driver refreshers because things change all the time.
Using the engine correctly and selecting the correct gear for the conditions has been a fundamental driving skill ever since Herr Benz made his Benz Patent-Motorwagen in 1886. No need for a refresher course on that count. Just a bit of practice. Some people will get the hang of it in a few hours, some will need considerably more than the twelve hours this inexperienced driver had.

Most people will let one or more skills slip when something new is thrown into the mix for them to concentrate on. That's one reason the instructor is there. Obviously, controlling speed is one of most important things to watch out for - and one of the most important things to get back under control if the student has not already done so. If the instructor fails to do that he does not deserve to be in the instructor's seat. He's just ballast.
[quote][p][bold]The man with the badge[/bold] wrote: Someone has already mentioned it on here. Gears are there too, to help control the vehicle. A lower gear will help going up and down the hill. There is no excuse (no pun intended) for speeding down a hill. I am not perfect and I do occasionally exceed the speed limit, but not on purpose. Use a lower gear and accelerator sense in built up areas. I think there should be regular driver refreshers because things change all the time.[/p][/quote]Using the engine correctly and selecting the correct gear for the conditions has been a fundamental driving skill ever since Herr Benz made his Benz Patent-Motorwagen in 1886. No need for a refresher course on that count. Just a bit of practice. Some people will get the hang of it in a few hours, some will need considerably more than the twelve hours this inexperienced driver had. Most people will let one or more skills slip when something new is thrown into the mix for them to concentrate on. That's one reason the instructor is there. Obviously, controlling speed is one of most important things to watch out for - and one of the most important things to get back under control if the student has not already done so. If the instructor fails to do that he does not deserve to be in the instructor's seat. He's just ballast. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

12:55pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Ageed / not agreed says...

Mango man wrote:
You were speeding love, not the instructor, take some personal responsibility and cut the "I've lost confidence because of this" rubbish.
Like the ad says NO EXCUSE

deal with it.
[quote][p][bold]Mango man[/bold] wrote: You were speeding love, not the instructor, take some personal responsibility and cut the "I've lost confidence because of this" rubbish.[/p][/quote]Like the ad says NO EXCUSE deal with it. Ageed / not agreed
  • Score: 6

2:25pm Fri 28 Feb 14

sandbagger says...

The driving instructor supervising the learner in this case was, obviously, utterly INCOMPETENT. His or her LEGAL responsibility is to supervise the learner, in addition to instructing her in various driving skills.

Furthermore, the AA Driving School bosses are also obviously incompetent as the LAW allows for the case to be resolved without the girl having to take either a driver improvement course, pay a fine, let alone have penalty points applied to her licence. The AA should be ashamed of the standard of many of its instructors, some smoke in their car - illegally, others use hand held phones - illegally, some obstruct the highway by parking on footpaths - illegally. Quite what quality control procedures the AA exercises over their instructors is a complete mystery. I personally would not let any of them teach my family so much as tiddlywinks.
The driving instructor supervising the learner in this case was, obviously, utterly INCOMPETENT. His or her LEGAL responsibility is to supervise the learner, in addition to instructing her in various driving skills. Furthermore, the AA Driving School bosses are also obviously incompetent as the LAW allows for the case to be resolved without the girl having to take either a driver improvement course, pay a fine, let alone have penalty points applied to her licence. The AA should be ashamed of the standard of many of its instructors, some smoke in their car - illegally, others use hand held phones - illegally, some obstruct the highway by parking on footpaths - illegally. Quite what quality control procedures the AA exercises over their instructors is a complete mystery. I personally would not let any of them teach my family so much as tiddlywinks. sandbagger
  • Score: -1

2:25pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Get a grip says...

The man with the badge wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo.
Well I have looked up exceptions to wearing a seat belt.

There are very few in fact only 5 if you do not count medical conditions

None of the exceptions include sitting on car when havering your photo taken by the Echo moving or not.

So by default she should be wearing a seat belt.

Yes I know a bit silly but correct.

I know of someone who was convicted of drink drive as she sat in the car to get her handbag out but had no intention of driving the problem was that the keys were in the ignition

But no more on this subject
[quote][p][bold]The man with the badge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo.[/p][/quote]Well I have looked up exceptions to wearing a seat belt. There are very few in fact only 5 if you do not count medical conditions None of the exceptions include sitting on car when havering your photo taken by the Echo moving or not. So by default she should be wearing a seat belt. Yes I know a bit silly but correct. I know of someone who was convicted of drink drive as she sat in the car to get her handbag out but had no intention of driving the problem was that the keys were in the ignition But no more on this subject Get a grip
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Fri 28 Feb 14

The man with the badge says...

Get a grip wrote:
The man with the badge wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo.
Well I have looked up exceptions to wearing a seat belt.

There are very few in fact only 5 if you do not count medical conditions

None of the exceptions include sitting on car when havering your photo taken by the Echo moving or not.

So by default she should be wearing a seat belt.

Yes I know a bit silly but correct.

I know of someone who was convicted of drink drive as she sat in the car to get her handbag out but had no intention of driving the problem was that the keys were in the ignition

But no more on this subject
I assume you mean exemptions, not exceptions? Re the person you knew who was getting her handbag, there are offences of being in charge whilst over the prescribed limit. There is no necessity to be driving for that one. Perhaps she drove there whilst drunk?
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The man with the badge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo.[/p][/quote]Well I have looked up exceptions to wearing a seat belt. There are very few in fact only 5 if you do not count medical conditions None of the exceptions include sitting on car when havering your photo taken by the Echo moving or not. So by default she should be wearing a seat belt. Yes I know a bit silly but correct. I know of someone who was convicted of drink drive as she sat in the car to get her handbag out but had no intention of driving the problem was that the keys were in the ignition But no more on this subject[/p][/quote]I assume you mean exemptions, not exceptions? Re the person you knew who was getting her handbag, there are offences of being in charge whilst over the prescribed limit. There is no necessity to be driving for that one. Perhaps she drove there whilst drunk? The man with the badge
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Fri 28 Feb 14

echodorset3 says...

So, bullying the girl is the answer? How will telling the girl to 'grow up' help her? At the end of the day, she is having driving lessons to learn to drive. If the instructor had seen her speeding and had told her to slow down then she must have been driving faster than 36. The instructor should not have allowed the girl to go so dangerously over the speed limit in the first place.
The person that mentioned that their friend had been done for drink driving because they had been in the driving seat is a bad example as Stacie had not been drinking..
In all of these negative comments, I have seen very little constructive criticism. Sort yourselves out, you are all telling Stacie to grow up yet none of you have managed that yet yourselves! If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all..
The best thing she ever did was go to a different instructor, she has certainly learnt something from this.
You learn from your mistakes AND you learn from people not doing their jobs properly.
So, bullying the girl is the answer? How will telling the girl to 'grow up' help her? At the end of the day, she is having driving lessons to learn to drive. If the instructor had seen her speeding and had told her to slow down then she must have been driving faster than 36. The instructor should not have allowed the girl to go so dangerously over the speed limit in the first place. The person that mentioned that their friend had been done for drink driving because they had been in the driving seat is a bad example as Stacie had not been drinking.. In all of these negative comments, I have seen very little constructive criticism. Sort yourselves out, you are all telling Stacie to grow up yet none of you have managed that yet yourselves! If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.. The best thing she ever did was go to a different instructor, she has certainly learnt something from this. You learn from your mistakes AND you learn from people not doing their jobs properly. echodorset3
  • Score: 3

4:59pm Fri 28 Feb 14

JackJohnson says...

The man with the badge wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
The man with the badge wrote:
Get a grip wrote:
PS not wearing a seat belt.

Take a good look at the photo
I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo.
Well I have looked up exceptions to wearing a seat belt.

There are very few in fact only 5 if you do not count medical conditions

None of the exceptions include sitting on car when havering your photo taken by the Echo moving or not.

So by default she should be wearing a seat belt.

Yes I know a bit silly but correct.

I know of someone who was convicted of drink drive as she sat in the car to get her handbag out but had no intention of driving the problem was that the keys were in the ignition

But no more on this subject
I assume you mean exemptions, not exceptions? Re the person you knew who was getting her handbag, there are offences of being in charge whilst over the prescribed limit. There is no necessity to be driving for that one. Perhaps she drove there whilst drunk?
You can, in fact, be 'drunk in charge' of a vehicle while it's sitting in a car park and your'e sitting in the pub or restaurant. Hardly ever likely to happen but there it is.

In the case of this woman not wearing a seat belt it was foolish of the photographer to set up this shot.

a) She's sitting in the driving seat with the keys in the ignition,

b) She's an unqualified driver with no-one supervising (moving or not - with the keys in the ignition she could be in trouble)

Hopefully it's a private car park.
[quote][p][bold]The man with the badge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The man with the badge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: PS not wearing a seat belt. Take a good look at the photo[/p][/quote]I think you will find she's not actually moving. To use your own words, take a good look at the photo.[/p][/quote]Well I have looked up exceptions to wearing a seat belt. There are very few in fact only 5 if you do not count medical conditions None of the exceptions include sitting on car when havering your photo taken by the Echo moving or not. So by default she should be wearing a seat belt. Yes I know a bit silly but correct. I know of someone who was convicted of drink drive as she sat in the car to get her handbag out but had no intention of driving the problem was that the keys were in the ignition But no more on this subject[/p][/quote]I assume you mean exemptions, not exceptions? Re the person you knew who was getting her handbag, there are offences of being in charge whilst over the prescribed limit. There is no necessity to be driving for that one. Perhaps she drove there whilst drunk?[/p][/quote]You can, in fact, be 'drunk in charge' of a vehicle while it's sitting in a car park and your'e sitting in the pub or restaurant. Hardly ever likely to happen but there it is. In the case of this woman not wearing a seat belt it was foolish of the photographer to set up this shot. a) She's sitting in the driving seat with the keys in the ignition, b) She's an unqualified driver with no-one supervising (moving or not - with the keys in the ignition she could be in trouble) Hopefully it's a private car park. JackJohnson
  • Score: 3

6:06pm Fri 28 Feb 14

knickerlessparsons says...

It never fails to amaze me how so many of the posters on this site are woefully misinformed but still insist on posting for the most part, inane rubbish, in the hope that it gives credence to a subject they clearly know little about. Some also think it appropriate and right to publicly slate others personally whilst digressing away from the main subject matter.
Unless you are prepared to post something constructive, factual or indeed relevant to this story - please refrain from doing so.
Rant over!!
It never fails to amaze me how so many of the posters on this site are woefully misinformed but still insist on posting for the most part, inane rubbish, in the hope that it gives credence to a subject they clearly know little about. Some also think it appropriate and right to publicly slate others personally whilst digressing away from the main subject matter. Unless you are prepared to post something constructive, factual or indeed relevant to this story - please refrain from doing so. Rant over!! knickerlessparsons
  • Score: 1

9:34am Sat 1 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

whatever66 wrote:
luffy22 wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................



.
Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users
Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test
What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.
I'm guessing you struggled with the written test?
[quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]luffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users[/p][/quote]Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you struggled with the written test? JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

10:35am Sat 1 Mar 14

3rdAccount says...

Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles.

If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)......
Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles. If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)...... 3rdAccount
  • Score: 3

12:34pm Sat 1 Mar 14

whatever66 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
luffy22 wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................




.
Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users
Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test
What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.
I'm guessing you struggled with the written test?
I am guessing you have never sat one otherwise you would know it is done by computer's and I actually scored 100% so stick that in your pipe and smoke it better still go sit it and see if you can actually pass it I passed it when they first came in to operation. But you can sit there and judge people behind your little computers because you all so lack the skills of compassion anyway had enough of you all ripping this poor girl to pieces go try instead to take lesson with all the bad habits you have all picked up over the years and go sit the test as you obviously have nothing better else to do with your free time.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]luffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users[/p][/quote]Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing you struggled with the written test?[/p][/quote]I am guessing you have never sat one otherwise you would know it is done by computer's and I actually scored 100% so stick that in your pipe and smoke it better still go sit it and see if you can actually pass it I passed it when they first came in to operation. But you can sit there and judge people behind your little computers because you all so lack the skills of compassion anyway had enough of you all ripping this poor girl to pieces go try instead to take lesson with all the bad habits you have all picked up over the years and go sit the test as you obviously have nothing better else to do with your free time. whatever66
  • Score: -4

3:09pm Sat 1 Mar 14

adamrwood says...

Why do people not want to take responsibility for their actions? As far as I know, the instructor would also get points for aiding and abetting as he's the full licence holder. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy about his pupil giving him points and a fine. The instructor should be getting paid for his lesson, not paying out. I assume the girl didn't offer to pay her instructors fine for her actions!
Why do people not want to take responsibility for their actions? As far as I know, the instructor would also get points for aiding and abetting as he's the full licence holder. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy about his pupil giving him points and a fine. The instructor should be getting paid for his lesson, not paying out. I assume the girl didn't offer to pay her instructors fine for her actions! adamrwood
  • Score: 3

7:32pm Sat 1 Mar 14

beverley.r says...

adamrwood wrote:
Why do people not want to take responsibility for their actions? As far as I know, the instructor would also get points for aiding and abetting as he's the full licence holder. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy about his pupil giving him points and a fine. The instructor should be getting paid for his lesson, not paying out. I assume the girl didn't offer to pay her instructors fine for her actions!
that's because the instructor didn't get a fine!!! or points!!
[quote][p][bold]adamrwood[/bold] wrote: Why do people not want to take responsibility for their actions? As far as I know, the instructor would also get points for aiding and abetting as he's the full licence holder. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy about his pupil giving him points and a fine. The instructor should be getting paid for his lesson, not paying out. I assume the girl didn't offer to pay her instructors fine for her actions![/p][/quote]that's because the instructor didn't get a fine!!! or points!! beverley.r
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Sat 1 Mar 14

beverley.r says...

3rdAccount wrote:
Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles.

If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)......
don't pretend to know anything about my financial situation!! my single parent status isn't a sob story and neither am I ashamed by it! stacie's insurance is nowhere near a couple of grand as she is still a learner so has learners insurance, but obviously that's something else you know nothing about!
[quote][p][bold]3rdAccount[/bold] wrote: Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles. If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)......[/p][/quote]don't pretend to know anything about my financial situation!! my single parent status isn't a sob story and neither am I ashamed by it! stacie's insurance is nowhere near a couple of grand as she is still a learner so has learners insurance, but obviously that's something else you know nothing about! beverley.r
  • Score: -6

8:30pm Sat 1 Mar 14

3rdAccount says...

beverley.r wrote:
3rdAccount wrote:
Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles.

If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)......
don't pretend to know anything about my financial situation!! my single parent status isn't a sob story and neither am I ashamed by it! stacie's insurance is nowhere near a couple of grand as she is still a learner so has learners insurance, but obviously that's something else you know nothing about!
So why was it relevant to the story then - why even mention it?
[quote][p][bold]beverley.r[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3rdAccount[/bold] wrote: Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles. If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)......[/p][/quote]don't pretend to know anything about my financial situation!! my single parent status isn't a sob story and neither am I ashamed by it! stacie's insurance is nowhere near a couple of grand as she is still a learner so has learners insurance, but obviously that's something else you know nothing about![/p][/quote]So why was it relevant to the story then - why even mention it? 3rdAccount
  • Score: 7

10:16am Sun 2 Mar 14

luffy22 says...

whatever66 wrote:
luffy22 wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................



.
Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users
Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test
What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.
After 12 hours I knew how to control the car well enough to use a brake pedal whilst going down a hill.

It should be a prerequisite before a driver is allowed on the open roads that they can control a car / use a break / manage the speed of a car

Otherwise they are dangerous, what if a child you loved stepped out in front of her and the child was killed as this person could not use a break effectively?
I bet your comments would be different then!!!
[quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]luffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users[/p][/quote]Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.[/p][/quote]After 12 hours I knew how to control the car well enough to use a brake pedal whilst going down a hill. It should be a prerequisite before a driver is allowed on the open roads that they can control a car / use a break / manage the speed of a car Otherwise they are dangerous, what if a child you loved stepped out in front of her and the child was killed as this person could not use a break effectively? I bet your comments would be different then!!! luffy22
  • Score: 4

10:30am Sun 2 Mar 14

beverley.r says...

3rdAccount wrote:
beverley.r wrote:
3rdAccount wrote:
Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles.

If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)......
don't pretend to know anything about my financial situation!! my single parent status isn't a sob story and neither am I ashamed by it! stacie's insurance is nowhere near a couple of grand as she is still a learner so has learners insurance, but obviously that's something else you know nothing about!
So why was it relevant to the story then - why even mention it?
the echo asked to speak to stacie's parents regarding the matter! what was I supposed to do grab the nearest guy off the street and say this is her dad!! I did comment to my family at the time why that was mentioned but I didn't write the article and sure as hell didn't ask for that to be stated!!
[quote][p][bold]3rdAccount[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beverley.r[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3rdAccount[/bold] wrote: Love how the Echo always get the poor single mother sob story bit into these articles. If she can afford the couple of grad insurance a year to drive a car then this is peanuts (or 2x tanks of petrol)......[/p][/quote]don't pretend to know anything about my financial situation!! my single parent status isn't a sob story and neither am I ashamed by it! stacie's insurance is nowhere near a couple of grand as she is still a learner so has learners insurance, but obviously that's something else you know nothing about![/p][/quote]So why was it relevant to the story then - why even mention it?[/p][/quote]the echo asked to speak to stacie's parents regarding the matter! what was I supposed to do grab the nearest guy off the street and say this is her dad!! I did comment to my family at the time why that was mentioned but I didn't write the article and sure as hell didn't ask for that to be stated!! beverley.r
  • Score: -5

10:37am Sun 2 Mar 14

beverley.r says...

luffy22 wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
luffy22 wrote:
whatever66 wrote:
Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................




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Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users
Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test
What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.
After 12 hours I knew how to control the car well enough to use a brake pedal whilst going down a hill.

It should be a prerequisite before a driver is allowed on the open roads that they can control a car / use a break / manage the speed of a car

Otherwise they are dangerous, what if a child you loved stepped out in front of her and the child was killed as this person could not use a break effectively?
I bet your comments would be different then!!!
so surely the instructor is the professional person here then, he/she was the one that after 12 hours of driving with stacie decided that she was safe to be on the public roads! it's her decision as a professional where she is safe to be! just because you could control your speed after 12 hours doesn't mean everyone is the same. some people get it quicker than others and some people make mistakes and some people clearly don't!!
[quote][p][bold]luffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]luffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Lanehouse Rocks Road is a terrible road to come down very steep not really a good Road for a learner driver keep your speed at 30 whilst coming down the road don't feel so bad people who have passed there test fail to keep it at 30 hence why the speed camera's like to park there as easy picking's and going up the hill you need to build up speed to get to the top Everyone I have driven behind always build up speed to get to the top but by the time they reach the top they are doing 30 ...... I like the way the camera van always decides to hide and I am sure they are supposed to put some sort of sign out to make you aware that they are in the area but there never is would like too know where all the money they receive goes cause it certainly is not spent on the roads...... which as most of them have big pot holes I think its about time that if you damage your vehicle on one of these roads through the general lack of care We should start claiming of them................ .[/p][/quote]Its perfect for a learner driver, the reason for lessons is so she learning is so she can control a car on the road , if she cant control a car after 12 hours of driving lessons then she should NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE ROAD AT ALL, she is a danger to other road users[/p][/quote]Oh I see you was perfect after 12 hours of lesson's was you, I don't think so considering that most people take 25+ hours before they actually take their test What I was saying was that hill is very steep I know I drive down it often oh and I drive up it as well, It is really unsuitable for someone with 12 hours experience to be learning to drive what with the camera vultures always waiting behind some vehicle to catch some poor idiot who is coming down it too quickly. Oh by the way I have never had any points on my licence cause I can actually control my car cause I am an experienced driver. There is the other route towards town which she would of managed quite adequately without speeding had they gone that way. But as you are all such perfect drivers and never obviously been a learner. Lets hope your son or daughters never make the same mistake because as you can see you lot of hung drawn and quartered her with your kind words of compassion. I sure she will find such comfort in them.[/p][/quote]After 12 hours I knew how to control the car well enough to use a brake pedal whilst going down a hill. It should be a prerequisite before a driver is allowed on the open roads that they can control a car / use a break / manage the speed of a car Otherwise they are dangerous, what if a child you loved stepped out in front of her and the child was killed as this person could not use a break effectively? I bet your comments would be different then!!![/p][/quote]so surely the instructor is the professional person here then, he/she was the one that after 12 hours of driving with stacie decided that she was safe to be on the public roads! it's her decision as a professional where she is safe to be! just because you could control your speed after 12 hours doesn't mean everyone is the same. some people get it quicker than others and some people make mistakes and some people clearly don't!! beverley.r
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Sun 2 Mar 14

malkie says...

There are so many "experts" commenting on this article, so I am a bit loathe to comment myself, however, any driving instructor should be able to control his/her pupil's speed, either by verbal or mechanical (dual controls) means, so in my mind this is all down to lack of supervision. ie. negligence on the part of the driving school.
There are so many "experts" commenting on this article, so I am a bit loathe to comment myself, however, any driving instructor should be able to control his/her pupil's speed, either by verbal or mechanical (dual controls) means, so in my mind this is all down to lack of supervision. ie. negligence on the part of the driving school. malkie
  • Score: 2

1:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

char2492 says...

I only passed my driving test 4 years ago so I guess it's relatively recently, but I still believe it is correct that Stacie receive the fine and points/drivers awareness course. She is a local girl that presumably realises it is a 30mph speed limit in that area, and appreciates the slope of that particular area of road. After 12 hours I have to agree that she must be aware of the break pedal and would be competent in it's use.
The problem with people is that everyone wants to blame others for their mistakes. Yes the driving instructor is there to supervise her but he is not there to drive for her. Sticking to legal speed limits is a basic principle and is certainly not difficult to achieve. I do not profess to be the perfect driver, everyone makes mistakes but you should take the responsibility for those mistakes and not attempt to pass it off to another.
Stacie was in control of the vehicle, if she does not feel competent to stick to the speed limits stay off the roads and practice using pedals elsewhere.
I only passed my driving test 4 years ago so I guess it's relatively recently, but I still believe it is correct that Stacie receive the fine and points/drivers awareness course. She is a local girl that presumably realises it is a 30mph speed limit in that area, and appreciates the slope of that particular area of road. After 12 hours I have to agree that she must be aware of the break pedal and would be competent in it's use. The problem with people is that everyone wants to blame others for their mistakes. Yes the driving instructor is there to supervise her but he is not there to drive for her. Sticking to legal speed limits is a basic principle and is certainly not difficult to achieve. I do not profess to be the perfect driver, everyone makes mistakes but you should take the responsibility for those mistakes and not attempt to pass it off to another. Stacie was in control of the vehicle, if she does not feel competent to stick to the speed limits stay off the roads and practice using pedals elsewhere. char2492
  • Score: 1

6:29pm Tue 4 Mar 14

2539 says...

Laadeeda wrote:
shy talk wrote:
Perhaps all learner drivers should attend a Driver Awareness Course before getting behind the wheel.
Agree, or keep L plates on, (green or red), until driver awareness has been successfully completed.
I think that the Green "just passed" L-Plates should be compulsory for a 6 month minimum after passing practical driving test. Although 6 months is still a period of time far too short to have incurred competence on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Laadeeda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shy talk[/bold] wrote: Perhaps all learner drivers should attend a Driver Awareness Course before getting behind the wheel.[/p][/quote]Agree, or keep L plates on, (green or red), until driver awareness has been successfully completed.[/p][/quote]I think that the Green "just passed" L-Plates should be compulsory for a 6 month minimum after passing practical driving test. Although 6 months is still a period of time far too short to have incurred competence on the road. 2539
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Wed 5 Mar 14

cloton says...

char2492 wrote:
I only passed my driving test 4 years ago so I guess it's relatively recently, but I still believe it is correct that Stacie receive the fine and points/drivers awareness course. She is a local girl that presumably realises it is a 30mph speed limit in that area, and appreciates the slope of that particular area of road. After 12 hours I have to agree that she must be aware of the break pedal and would be competent in it's use.
The problem with people is that everyone wants to blame others for their mistakes. Yes the driving instructor is there to supervise her but he is not there to drive for her. Sticking to legal speed limits is a basic principle and is certainly not difficult to achieve. I do not profess to be the perfect driver, everyone makes mistakes but you should take the responsibility for those mistakes and not attempt to pass it off to another.
Stacie was in control of the vehicle, if she does not feel competent to stick to the speed limits stay off the roads and practice using pedals elsewhere.
How can you say that how absurd! I am currently doing my driving and i find it extremely difficult remembering clutch gears steering and speed when you first start it is very hard to have all this under control at once you are in the drivers car and under there instruction and half decent driver would not let there student go over the speed limit surely!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]char2492[/bold] wrote: I only passed my driving test 4 years ago so I guess it's relatively recently, but I still believe it is correct that Stacie receive the fine and points/drivers awareness course. She is a local girl that presumably realises it is a 30mph speed limit in that area, and appreciates the slope of that particular area of road. After 12 hours I have to agree that she must be aware of the break pedal and would be competent in it's use. The problem with people is that everyone wants to blame others for their mistakes. Yes the driving instructor is there to supervise her but he is not there to drive for her. Sticking to legal speed limits is a basic principle and is certainly not difficult to achieve. I do not profess to be the perfect driver, everyone makes mistakes but you should take the responsibility for those mistakes and not attempt to pass it off to another. Stacie was in control of the vehicle, if she does not feel competent to stick to the speed limits stay off the roads and practice using pedals elsewhere.[/p][/quote]How can you say that how absurd! I am currently doing my driving and i find it extremely difficult remembering clutch gears steering and speed when you first start it is very hard to have all this under control at once you are in the drivers car and under there instruction and half decent driver would not let there student go over the speed limit surely!!!!!!!!! cloton
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Ia2861 says...

Amazing how all these firms suddenly see sense when the Press gets involved.
Amazing how all these firms suddenly see sense when the Press gets involved. Ia2861
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Ia2861 says...

That's the trouble with these pathetic speed cameras. In the old days if a police officer caught them he would just have had a word.
That's the trouble with these pathetic speed cameras. In the old days if a police officer caught them he would just have had a word. Ia2861
  • Score: 0

1:09pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Ia2861 says...

Get a grip wrote:
Oh dear I think you may be in trouble once more. You are a learner driver but you are sitting in the drivers seat, the keys are in the ignition, yet no driver in the pasanger seat. As you are clearly on the highway you are in charge of the car. Also your insurance will be invalid. Never mind you can blame the Echo and ask them to pay.
Not clearly on the highway at all.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: Oh dear I think you may be in trouble once more. You are a learner driver but you are sitting in the drivers seat, the keys are in the ignition, yet no driver in the pasanger seat. As you are clearly on the highway you are in charge of the car. Also your insurance will be invalid. Never mind you can blame the Echo and ask them to pay.[/p][/quote]Not clearly on the highway at all. Ia2861
  • Score: 1

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