Grim forecast as Michael Fish warns of climate change threat

LECTURE: Michael Fish at the Corn Exchange   Picture: FINNBARR WEBSTER

LECTURE: Michael Fish at the Corn Exchange Picture: FINNBARR WEBSTER

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RISING sea levels flooding Weymouth and sweltering summers with little water were predicted in a 'scary' forecast by former weatherman Michael Fish.

He may have famously got it wrong in 1987, but Mr Fish's predictions could shake up the sceptics.

The former BBC forecaster, who played down the threat of a hurricane approaching Britain in 1987, gave a lecture on the threat of climate change to a packed audience at the Corn Exchange in Dorchester.

His appearance came as part of events to mark Climate Week.

Revealing data of computer models for the future based on current carbon dioxide emissions, Mr Fish warned of 'scary' weather systems facing the county - forecasting sweltering summers and drastic water shortages playing havoc with current farming practices.

He also painted a frightening scenario for a rise in sea levels that could devastate low-lying communities like Weymouth, West Bay and parts of Lyme Regis.

He said: “If we do nothing about climate change and just stay as we are now, sea levels could rise by a metre by the end of the century.”

Mr Fish added: “We could well see a six degree increase in temperatures over southern Britain by the end of the century.

“We could see 30C days in London increasing from the current rate of seven days a year to 50 days a year.

“And by the middle of the century, apart from on the highest Scottish mountains, snowfall could be unknown in the rest of the UK.”

Mr Fish acknowledged that none of the audience would ever know if the predictions were correct.

He said: “It won't be in any of our lifetimes whether we'll know if the models are right or wrong.

“I just hope that there is someone somewhere, some genius, who will come up with a new energy source that we haven't thought of. What we need is genius.”

Marking Climate Week

MICHAEL Fish, who became a national icon through his weather forecasts on the BBC and spent more than 40 years with the Meteorological Office, appeared at an event organised by Communities Living Sustainably in Dorset.

It came at the launch of Dorset Climate Week.

The charity revealed a five-point plan to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and slow climate change in Dorset.

The plans include:

  • Carshare Dorset - urging drivers not to make trips alone but to share a lift with a friend
  • Cycling instead of using the car or the bus
  • Regularly reading energy meters or switching to an energy monitor to save up to 10 per cent on bills
  • Switching to a green energy supplier
  • Growing your own food

For more details of Climate Week in Dorset, which runs until March 9, see clsdorset.org.uk

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3:49pm Tue 4 Mar 14

CoogarUK.com says...

Michael Fish still doesn't know what he's talking about.
Michael Fish still doesn't know what he's talking about. CoogarUK.com
  • Score: 24

4:58pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Budgie@home says...

So Michael Fish was paid to speak by a pressure group. Can anyone be surprised if he sang from their hymn sheet?
So Michael Fish was paid to speak by a pressure group. Can anyone be surprised if he sang from their hymn sheet? Budgie@home
  • Score: 26

5:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

arlbergbahn says...

Little water? Yeah, Mike, we can see that just by looking around us.
Little water? Yeah, Mike, we can see that just by looking around us. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 16

5:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

arlbergbahn says...

"Revealing data of computer models for the future based on current carbon dioxide emissions, Mr Fish warned of 'scary' weather systems facing the county - forecasting sweltering summers and drastic water shortages playing havoc with current farming practices."
For heavens sake, haven't they learned by now? The Met office have clearly demonstrated that it's impossible to make reliable forecasts based on computer models and simulations. Remember they were promising a "barbecue summer" in 2012? and it said in the paper the other say that the Experts had told councils that they could expect lower than average rainfall this winter. Come on now.
"Revealing data of computer models for the future based on current carbon dioxide emissions, Mr Fish warned of 'scary' weather systems facing the county - forecasting sweltering summers and drastic water shortages playing havoc with current farming practices." For heavens sake, haven't they learned by now? The Met office have clearly demonstrated that it's impossible to make reliable forecasts based on computer models and simulations. Remember they were promising a "barbecue summer" in 2012? and it said in the paper the other say that the Experts had told councils that they could expect lower than average rainfall this winter. Come on now. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 29

5:56pm Tue 4 Mar 14

arlbergbahn says...

Something else barmy I've just noticed as well:
"Cycling instead of using the car or the bus"

So now they're encouraging people NOT to use public transport? I wish they had smilies or emoticons here, this whole story could really do with a rolleyes.
Something else barmy I've just noticed as well: "Cycling instead of using the car or the bus" So now they're encouraging people NOT to use public transport? I wish they had smilies or emoticons here, this whole story could really do with a rolleyes. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 13

6:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

PossumGoose says...

Nasa have been trying for the last twenty years to reach a definitive “sea level”. It seems an impossible goal. So how do these people expect to measure “increasing sea levels”??
Nasa have been trying for the last twenty years to reach a definitive “sea level”. It seems an impossible goal. So how do these people expect to measure “increasing sea levels”?? PossumGoose
  • Score: 17

9:07pm Tue 4 Mar 14

osmington4 says...

I like the sound of a sweltering summer........
I like the sound of a sweltering summer........ osmington4
  • Score: 7

11:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Groaner says...

These Climate Alarmists confuse me.
They claim that the world is coming to an end but;

Since around 1850 the global temperature has risen by about 0.8 Dgrees Centigrade. That is not a lot, Some argue that is not statistically significant since the daily temperature is so variable, never mind the seasonal temperature changes.

The computer simulations or as they call them "Climate Models" show we should be a lot warmer. An unfortunate fact is that the temperature has not risen for nearly 20 years - but the models say it should.
Never let reality intrude into a belief.

If we are really lucky the temperatures may rise and we will be back to the Medieval temperatures, after surviving the cold spell known as the Little Ice Age from about 1600 to 1800.

Look at your teenage children. During their lifetime the global temperature has not changed. Despite what their teachers say.
These Climate Alarmists confuse me. They claim that the world is coming to an end but; Since around 1850 the global temperature has risen by about 0.8 Dgrees Centigrade. That is not a lot, Some argue that is not statistically significant since the daily temperature is so variable, never mind the seasonal temperature changes. The computer simulations or as they call them "Climate Models" show we should be a lot warmer. An unfortunate fact is that the temperature has not risen for nearly 20 years - but the models say it should. Never let reality intrude into a belief. If we are really lucky the temperatures may rise and we will be back to the Medieval temperatures, after surviving the cold spell known as the Little Ice Age from about 1600 to 1800. Look at your teenage children. During their lifetime the global temperature has not changed. Despite what their teachers say. Groaner
  • Score: 17

5:01am Wed 5 Mar 14

bigfatlad says...

Why is it that every Green I've ever met is a weirdo?
Why is it that every Green I've ever met is a weirdo? bigfatlad
  • Score: 7

7:27am Wed 5 Mar 14

livid99 says...

Look at what what the local area is made of - Limestone and Chalk, deposited in warm tropical seas. The climate has warmed and cooled many times in the past millions of years through natural cycles. Perhaps we are contributing with our CO2 emmissions, perhaps not. Who can say for sure. Future warming is just as likely to be part of a natural cycle which would have happened whether we were here or not. Would Michael Fish have said the same things if he was not being paid to say them ?
But if the politicians say it is our fault, then it must be - they are always right aren't they ?
Look at what what the local area is made of - Limestone and Chalk, deposited in warm tropical seas. The climate has warmed and cooled many times in the past millions of years through natural cycles. Perhaps we are contributing with our CO2 emmissions, perhaps not. Who can say for sure. Future warming is just as likely to be part of a natural cycle which would have happened whether we were here or not. Would Michael Fish have said the same things if he was not being paid to say them ? But if the politicians say it is our fault, then it must be - they are always right aren't they ? livid99
  • Score: 12

7:59am Wed 5 Mar 14

ThomasFairfax says...

This is the same Michael Fish who prophesied there would be "no hurricane" in 1987. Has his little piece of seaweed and the cockleshell forecast tools improved their accuracy over the last 27 years?
This is the same Michael Fish who prophesied there would be "no hurricane" in 1987. Has his little piece of seaweed and the cockleshell forecast tools improved their accuracy over the last 27 years? ThomasFairfax
  • Score: 7

10:18am Wed 5 Mar 14

Peter6 says...

Concidering that Weymouth town is built on mostly reclaimed land, his flood predictions are probibly correct. However I have been told that our climate will be similar to Canada as the gulf stream which keeps us warm is moving south due to all the cold water coming from the melting Icebergs due to global warming.
Concidering that Weymouth town is built on mostly reclaimed land, his flood predictions are probibly correct. However I have been told that our climate will be similar to Canada as the gulf stream which keeps us warm is moving south due to all the cold water coming from the melting Icebergs due to global warming. Peter6
  • Score: -4

11:59am Wed 5 Mar 14

Reformist says...

Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects. Reformist
  • Score: -1

12:14pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Caption Sensible says...

bigfatlad wrote:
Why is it that every Green I've ever met is a weirdo?
Eco-Fascist more like.

Check out the origins of the Green party in 1930s Germany and then again its renaissance in the late 1970s, early 1980s... Once again a prominent German taking the lead and former Nazi party member.

Most sane people will agree with a sensible environmental rationale for planet Earth, but these people are using the green agenda as a vehicle for their political aims and are too scared to reveal their true intentions to the voting public.
[quote][p][bold]bigfatlad[/bold] wrote: Why is it that every Green I've ever met is a weirdo?[/p][/quote]Eco-Fascist more like. Check out the origins of the Green party in 1930s Germany and then again its renaissance in the late 1970s, early 1980s... Once again a prominent German taking the lead and former Nazi party member. Most sane people will agree with a sensible environmental rationale for planet Earth, but these people are using the green agenda as a vehicle for their political aims and are too scared to reveal their true intentions to the voting public. Caption Sensible
  • Score: 6

12:40pm Wed 5 Mar 14

TenBobDylanThomasHardy says...

Reformist, most of them don't understand the difference between Climate and Weather.
Reformist, most of them don't understand the difference between Climate and Weather. TenBobDylanThomasHardy
  • Score: -4

1:05pm Wed 5 Mar 14

dorsetj says...

We had an ice age 2.6 million years ago - a significant and major change in climate that formed the glaciers etc, this was nothing to do with man, so why do we get blamed for the climate changing now??

Is it not just an easy argument to blame our current climate changes for our use of cars and the way we live our modern lives?
We had an ice age 2.6 million years ago - a significant and major change in climate that formed the glaciers etc, this was nothing to do with man, so why do we get blamed for the climate changing now?? Is it not just an easy argument to blame our current climate changes for our use of cars and the way we live our modern lives? dorsetj
  • Score: 4

1:13pm Wed 5 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

Reformist wrote:
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
I think you meant to apologise for being a head in the sand Climate Cult Discipline, but i'll take it as you meant it.
Many of the "driest, hottest, wettest" records come with the rider "since xxx". That means that these can be safely ignored.
We are going through climate change, undoubtedly. But there are plenty of examples that this has happened in the past.
My fundamental problem is this. If i say the sky will turn green tomorrow, and it doesn't, people would deem me to be wrong.
If i spent billions on computer models that said temperatures would rise, and they didn't, how can i be right?
[quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]I think you meant to apologise for being a head in the sand Climate Cult Discipline, but i'll take it as you meant it. Many of the "driest, hottest, wettest" records come with the rider "since xxx". That means that these can be safely ignored. We are going through climate change, undoubtedly. But there are plenty of examples that this has happened in the past. My fundamental problem is this. If i say the sky will turn green tomorrow, and it doesn't, people would deem me to be wrong. If i spent billions on computer models that said temperatures would rise, and they didn't, how can i be right? JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Wed 5 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Reformist wrote:
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
I think you meant to apologise for being a head in the sand Climate Cult Discipline, but i'll take it as you meant it.
Many of the "driest, hottest, wettest" records come with the rider "since xxx". That means that these can be safely ignored.
We are going through climate change, undoubtedly. But there are plenty of examples that this has happened in the past.
My fundamental problem is this. If i say the sky will turn green tomorrow, and it doesn't, people would deem me to be wrong.
If i spent billions on computer models that said temperatures would rise, and they didn't, how can i be right?
Disciple, not discipline. iPhone is part of the conspiracy, too, it seems.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]I think you meant to apologise for being a head in the sand Climate Cult Discipline, but i'll take it as you meant it. Many of the "driest, hottest, wettest" records come with the rider "since xxx". That means that these can be safely ignored. We are going through climate change, undoubtedly. But there are plenty of examples that this has happened in the past. My fundamental problem is this. If i say the sky will turn green tomorrow, and it doesn't, people would deem me to be wrong. If i spent billions on computer models that said temperatures would rise, and they didn't, how can i be right?[/p][/quote]Disciple, not discipline. iPhone is part of the conspiracy, too, it seems. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Wed 5 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

TenBobDylanThomasHar
dy
wrote:
Reformist, most of them don't understand the difference between Climate and Weather.
Including several members of the local Green Party, who have been anxious to tell us that recent storms are due to climate change, even though the scientists who support the theory have been very careful not to.
[quote][p][bold]TenBobDylanThomasHar dy[/bold] wrote: Reformist, most of them don't understand the difference between Climate and Weather.[/p][/quote]Including several members of the local Green Party, who have been anxious to tell us that recent storms are due to climate change, even though the scientists who support the theory have been very careful not to. JamesYoung
  • Score: 6

1:19pm Wed 5 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

PossumGoose wrote:
Nasa have been trying for the last twenty years to reach a definitive “sea level”. It seems an impossible goal. So how do these people expect to measure “increasing sea levels”??
Ah, now you see you've got this totally wrong.
NASA are trying to MEASURE sea level rise.
The IPCC are trying to MODEL it.
Measuring is no good, since it gives a definitive and inarguable position one way or the other.
Modelling is much better, because you can always announce that "the rate of change hasn't been as much as predicted", which infers that something bad is still happening, and sounds far better than "we got it wrong".
[quote][p][bold]PossumGoose[/bold] wrote: Nasa have been trying for the last twenty years to reach a definitive “sea level”. It seems an impossible goal. So how do these people expect to measure “increasing sea levels”??[/p][/quote]Ah, now you see you've got this totally wrong. NASA are trying to MEASURE sea level rise. The IPCC are trying to MODEL it. Measuring is no good, since it gives a definitive and inarguable position one way or the other. Modelling is much better, because you can always announce that "the rate of change hasn't been as much as predicted", which infers that something bad is still happening, and sounds far better than "we got it wrong". JamesYoung
  • Score: 6

1:42pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ewoods says...

Reformist wrote:
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country?
[quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country? ewoods
  • Score: -9

1:46pm Wed 5 Mar 14

dorsetj says...

ewoods wrote:
Reformist wrote:
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country?
I dont disagree that the climate is changing, as someone who's pastimes all involve being outdoors, I'm all too familiar with the fact that our climate is now wetter and warmer, I just argue the point that everyone blames the human race for causing it.
[quote][p][bold]ewoods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country?[/p][/quote]I dont disagree that the climate is changing, as someone who's pastimes all involve being outdoors, I'm all too familiar with the fact that our climate is now wetter and warmer, I just argue the point that everyone blames the human race for causing it. dorsetj
  • Score: 4

2:06pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ewoods says...

dorsetj wrote:
ewoods wrote:
Reformist wrote:
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country?
I dont disagree that the climate is changing, as someone who's pastimes all involve being outdoors, I'm all too familiar with the fact that our climate is now wetter and warmer, I just argue the point that everyone blames the human race for causing it.
So you are discarding all the research that has been done over the years, that clearly shows that the way the human race has lived has contributed to the freak weather patterns that are visible today?
[quote][p][bold]dorsetj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ewoods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country?[/p][/quote]I dont disagree that the climate is changing, as someone who's pastimes all involve being outdoors, I'm all too familiar with the fact that our climate is now wetter and warmer, I just argue the point that everyone blames the human race for causing it.[/p][/quote]So you are discarding all the research that has been done over the years, that clearly shows that the way the human race has lived has contributed to the freak weather patterns that are visible today? ewoods
  • Score: -10

2:30pm Wed 5 Mar 14

dorsetj says...

ewoods wrote:
dorsetj wrote:
ewoods wrote:
Reformist wrote:
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country?
I dont disagree that the climate is changing, as someone who's pastimes all involve being outdoors, I'm all too familiar with the fact that our climate is now wetter and warmer, I just argue the point that everyone blames the human race for causing it.
So you are discarding all the research that has been done over the years, that clearly shows that the way the human race has lived has contributed to the freak weather patterns that are visible today?
I do disagree with the research, because as I said before if we had an Ice Age 2.6 million years ago without man's meddling, why is it not possible for the climate to continue changing irrespective of what we do.

If you consider that only 29% of the Earth is land mass, and only 1% of that land is actually inhabited by humans, are we really causing so much damage? We're almost insignificant in percentage terms.
[quote][p][bold]ewoods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ewoods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with Reformist here. It is inescapable that over the past decade or so the weather has been going to extremes. Has everybody had their head in the sand in 2014 and not seen the terrific storms that have hit the country?[/p][/quote]I dont disagree that the climate is changing, as someone who's pastimes all involve being outdoors, I'm all too familiar with the fact that our climate is now wetter and warmer, I just argue the point that everyone blames the human race for causing it.[/p][/quote]So you are discarding all the research that has been done over the years, that clearly shows that the way the human race has lived has contributed to the freak weather patterns that are visible today?[/p][/quote]I do disagree with the research, because as I said before if we had an Ice Age 2.6 million years ago without man's meddling, why is it not possible for the climate to continue changing irrespective of what we do. If you consider that only 29% of the Earth is land mass, and only 1% of that land is actually inhabited by humans, are we really causing so much damage? We're almost insignificant in percentage terms. dorsetj
  • Score: 7

3:24pm Wed 5 Mar 14

elloello1980 says...

looks like a fish out of water
looks like a fish out of water elloello1980
  • Score: 1

3:27pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ewoods says...

You must be one of those 'headless chickens' our future king was talking about.
You must be one of those 'headless chickens' our future king was talking about. ewoods
  • Score: -6

4:27pm Wed 5 Mar 14

arlbergbahn says...

Reformist wrote:
Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
You can very much deny the kind of precise prediction that mr. F is making, though, that's the whole point that people have been saying. The whole business of "climate projections" and "models" can so easily be affected by all sorts of variables that how can they possibly make such categorical statements that the temperature will increase by this number of degrees, and there'll be this number of days each year when the temperature is over this amount, and so on? It's all assumptions based on their computer models, but they always say "it WILL" and "there's nothing we can do". It's the smugness that tends to irritate people.
And all this talk of "head in the sand sceptics" is the kind of thing that really gives the impression that the whole Climate change industry is like a religion, it's an article of faith that you must believe the Projections and anyone who disagrees is an Unbeliever.
[quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]You can very much deny the kind of precise prediction that mr. F is making, though, that's the whole point that people have been saying. The whole business of "climate projections" and "models" can so easily be affected by all sorts of variables that how can they possibly make such categorical statements that the temperature will increase by this number of degrees, and there'll be this number of days each year when the temperature is over this amount, and so on? It's all assumptions based on their computer models, but they always say "it WILL" and "there's nothing we can do". It's the smugness that tends to irritate people. And all this talk of "head in the sand sceptics" is the kind of thing that really gives the impression that the whole Climate change industry is like a religion, it's an article of faith that you must believe the Projections and anyone who disagrees is an Unbeliever. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 8

5:16pm Wed 5 Mar 14

elloello1980 says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
Reformist wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.
You can very much deny the kind of precise prediction that mr. F is making, though, that's the whole point that people have been saying. The whole business of "climate projections" and "models" can so easily be affected by all sorts of variables that how can they possibly make such categorical statements that the temperature will increase by this number of degrees, and there'll be this number of days each year when the temperature is over this amount, and so on? It's all assumptions based on their computer models, but they always say "it WILL" and "there's nothing we can do". It's the smugness that tends to irritate people. And all this talk of "head in the sand sceptics" is the kind of thing that really gives the impression that the whole Climate change industry is like a religion, it's an article of faith that you must believe the Projections and anyone who disagrees is an Unbeliever.
"Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country" - since records began, which is negligible relative to the beginning of the world (unless you're one of them religuos nuts that think the world is not that old)
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reformist[/bold] wrote: Sorry to be the only one here that isn't a head in the sand sceptic here. But are you saying there is no climate change? Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country? The climate is clearly changing and unstable. Argue all you like about the cause, but you can't deny the effects.[/p][/quote]You can very much deny the kind of precise prediction that mr. F is making, though, that's the whole point that people have been saying. The whole business of "climate projections" and "models" can so easily be affected by all sorts of variables that how can they possibly make such categorical statements that the temperature will increase by this number of degrees, and there'll be this number of days each year when the temperature is over this amount, and so on? It's all assumptions based on their computer models, but they always say "it WILL" and "there's nothing we can do". It's the smugness that tends to irritate people. And all this talk of "head in the sand sceptics" is the kind of thing that really gives the impression that the whole Climate change industry is like a religion, it's an article of faith that you must believe the Projections and anyone who disagrees is an Unbeliever.[/p][/quote]"Despite the last 10 years rewriting most of the records on hottest/ wettest/ coldest weather in this country" - since records began, which is negligible relative to the beginning of the world (unless you're one of them religuos nuts that think the world is not that old) elloello1980
  • Score: 7

7:12pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Budgie@home says...

I am sceptical about man made climate change (note man made), very much against wind turbines and solar, pro fracking and nuclear but is there any point in these posts? Do they do anything apart from getting it off our chests?
Good night all.
I am sceptical about man made climate change (note man made), very much against wind turbines and solar, pro fracking and nuclear but is there any point in these posts? Do they do anything apart from getting it off our chests? Good night all. Budgie@home
  • Score: 3

12:23am Thu 6 Mar 14

siratb says...

Climate change is a religion and industry now. Climate change scientists are funded by governments who then use their "results" to increase taxes.

Sure man does pump out too much CO2 and pollution, but this is inevitable with a population growing exponentially.

However in the past, there were continent sized volcanic eruptions lasting a MILLION YEARS which pumped out more CO2 than anything you could possibly generate by mankind. The earth survived, and as mentioned we have had massive swings in the climate for the past millions of years (before mankind in other words). It is only that last 25,000 years that have been relatively stable in climate terms, so it is no surprise that we get swings now and again.

These swings can be due to many things....for example the earth's position in the galaxy (the solar system is constantly moving) or the sun which pulsates cyclically. In fact is is highly likely extreme weather events (like we have just seen) are more likely to be caused by tidal forces than CO2.

My main gripe with "climate" science is that those that really believe in it, don't do anything about it. If you REALLY believe that man is causing CC, then you should hang up YOUR car keys, stop burning north sea gas to heat your home, put up solar panels and wind generators, and become self sufficient. Oh and stop charging that Ipod, ipad and stop using your computer......

Yea, it is never going to happen is it......
Climate change is a religion and industry now. Climate change scientists are funded by governments who then use their "results" to increase taxes. Sure man does pump out too much CO2 and pollution, but this is inevitable with a population growing exponentially. However in the past, there were continent sized volcanic eruptions lasting a MILLION YEARS which pumped out more CO2 than anything you could possibly generate by mankind. The earth survived, and as mentioned we have had massive swings in the climate for the past millions of years (before mankind in other words). It is only that last 25,000 years that have been relatively stable in climate terms, so it is no surprise that we get swings now and again. These swings can be due to many things....for example the earth's position in the galaxy (the solar system is constantly moving) or the sun which pulsates cyclically. In fact is is highly likely extreme weather events (like we have just seen) are more likely to be caused by tidal forces than CO2. My main gripe with "climate" science is that those that really believe in it, don't do anything about it. If you REALLY believe that man is causing CC, then you should hang up YOUR car keys, stop burning north sea gas to heat your home, put up solar panels and wind generators, and become self sufficient. Oh and stop charging that Ipod, ipad and stop using your computer...... Yea, it is never going to happen is it...... siratb
  • Score: 8

12:49pm Thu 6 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

ewoods wrote:
You must be one of those 'headless chickens' our future king was talking about.
And there we have the problem in one sentence.
Anybody who doesn't accept the consensus must be a headless chicken, because they don't accept the science.
There is of course an obvious counter argument: if the science was proven, then everybody would accept it.
I am reminded of the famous story of Ignaz Semmelweis, an Austrian surgeon who made the simple observation that mothers in wards managed by mid wives died less often than those in wards managed by doctors.
But everybody knew that doctors always got it right, so he was thrown into an asylum and murdered by an inmate. It took a while for his radical idea - washing hands between patients - took on.
Show me a consensus view and i'll show you an arrogant one, dismissive of very obvious flaws in its own hypothesis.
[quote][p][bold]ewoods[/bold] wrote: You must be one of those 'headless chickens' our future king was talking about.[/p][/quote]And there we have the problem in one sentence. Anybody who doesn't accept the consensus must be a headless chicken, because they don't accept the science. There is of course an obvious counter argument: if the science was proven, then everybody would accept it. I am reminded of the famous story of Ignaz Semmelweis, an Austrian surgeon who made the simple observation that mothers in wards managed by mid wives died less often than those in wards managed by doctors. But everybody knew that doctors always got it right, so he was thrown into an asylum and murdered by an inmate. It took a while for his radical idea - washing hands between patients - took on. Show me a consensus view and i'll show you an arrogant one, dismissive of very obvious flaws in its own hypothesis. JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

11:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

DAS99 says...

Four years ago I mistakenly thought the wheels had finally started to fall off the ;global warming' bandwagon. The infamous University of East Anglia emails should have been enough to out those fraudsters fronting this faux industry but astute re-branding from 'global warming' to 'climate change' and lack of media interest in the actual science (far less interesting and thus less paper sales) has meant the bandwagon rolls on with more momentum than ever.

Lets look back further shall we? Who remembers back when all we heard about was about the jetstream shifting north, it was absolutely fundamental to the climate model predictions that were being rammed down our throat. Now, as this was so intrinsic and in fact the very opposite has occurred, renders these predictions worthless. But hey, don't let that stop Mann, Gore and others. Change a few parameters but keep the desired outcome. Don't bother with any science or anything.

It has become almost comical...
Warm dry summers and mild snowless winters were supposed to be on the increase. Droughts would lead to massive water shortages, snow would be confined to distant memories of years gone by, this was the new world order. Then 2007 hit and we had progression of wet cool summers and cold snowy winters. The exact opposite was occurring.

So basically that in a nutshell tells us all we need to know. It matters not what the weather does, wet, dry, cold, windy, snowy, icy, extreme, mild, temperate. Whatever occurs, it will be because of 'climate change'.

Somebody once said to me, why would they bother to lie about these things. I told him to look at how unimaginably massive the industry has become. The taxes raised as a result, jobs, pensions and there it was, the penny dropped...

The politicians are to blame but hey, they're politicians so we come to expect it of them but what is most grating is the spineless lazy media, they are the true villains in all this.
Four years ago I mistakenly thought the wheels had finally started to fall off the ;global warming' bandwagon. The infamous University of East Anglia emails should have been enough to out those fraudsters fronting this faux industry but astute re-branding from 'global warming' to 'climate change' and lack of media interest in the actual science (far less interesting and thus less paper sales) has meant the bandwagon rolls on with more momentum than ever. Lets look back further shall we? Who remembers back when all we heard about was about the jetstream shifting north, it was absolutely fundamental to the climate model predictions that were being rammed down our throat. Now, as this was so intrinsic and in fact the very opposite has occurred, renders these predictions worthless. But hey, don't let that stop Mann, Gore and others. Change a few parameters but keep the desired outcome. Don't bother with any science or anything. It has become almost comical... Warm dry summers and mild snowless winters were supposed to be on the increase. Droughts would lead to massive water shortages, snow would be confined to distant memories of years gone by, this was the new world order. Then 2007 hit and we had progression of wet cool summers and cold snowy winters. The exact opposite was occurring. So basically that in a nutshell tells us all we need to know. It matters not what the weather does, wet, dry, cold, windy, snowy, icy, extreme, mild, temperate. Whatever occurs, it will be because of 'climate change'. Somebody once said to me, why would they bother to lie about these things. I told him to look at how unimaginably massive the industry has become. The taxes raised as a result, jobs, pensions and there it was, the penny dropped... The politicians are to blame but hey, they're politicians so we come to expect it of them but what is most grating is the spineless lazy media, they are the true villains in all this. DAS99
  • Score: 7

9:27am Fri 7 Mar 14

arlbergbahn says...

siratb wrote:
Climate change is a religion and industry now. Climate change scientists are funded by governments who then use their "results" to increase taxes.

Sure man does pump out too much CO2 and pollution, but this is inevitable with a population growing exponentially.

However in the past, there were continent sized volcanic eruptions lasting a MILLION YEARS which pumped out more CO2 than anything you could possibly generate by mankind. The earth survived, and as mentioned we have had massive swings in the climate for the past millions of years (before mankind in other words). It is only that last 25,000 years that have been relatively stable in climate terms, so it is no surprise that we get swings now and again.

These swings can be due to many things....for example the earth's position in the galaxy (the solar system is constantly moving) or the sun which pulsates cyclically. In fact is is highly likely extreme weather events (like we have just seen) are more likely to be caused by tidal forces than CO2.

My main gripe with "climate" science is that those that really believe in it, don't do anything about it. If you REALLY believe that man is causing CC, then you should hang up YOUR car keys, stop burning north sea gas to heat your home, put up solar panels and wind generators, and become self sufficient. Oh and stop charging that Ipod, ipad and stop using your computer......

Yea, it is never going to happen is it......
And the Climate Experts can never offer any helpful suggestions, can they. it's always "it's too late to do anything", "Climate Change is irreversible", "it's all your fault" (but not ours of course). it's basically like Fraser in Dad's Army:
"We're dooomed, doooomed".
[quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: Climate change is a religion and industry now. Climate change scientists are funded by governments who then use their "results" to increase taxes. Sure man does pump out too much CO2 and pollution, but this is inevitable with a population growing exponentially. However in the past, there were continent sized volcanic eruptions lasting a MILLION YEARS which pumped out more CO2 than anything you could possibly generate by mankind. The earth survived, and as mentioned we have had massive swings in the climate for the past millions of years (before mankind in other words). It is only that last 25,000 years that have been relatively stable in climate terms, so it is no surprise that we get swings now and again. These swings can be due to many things....for example the earth's position in the galaxy (the solar system is constantly moving) or the sun which pulsates cyclically. In fact is is highly likely extreme weather events (like we have just seen) are more likely to be caused by tidal forces than CO2. My main gripe with "climate" science is that those that really believe in it, don't do anything about it. If you REALLY believe that man is causing CC, then you should hang up YOUR car keys, stop burning north sea gas to heat your home, put up solar panels and wind generators, and become self sufficient. Oh and stop charging that Ipod, ipad and stop using your computer...... Yea, it is never going to happen is it......[/p][/quote]And the Climate Experts can never offer any helpful suggestions, can they. it's always "it's too late to do anything", "Climate Change is irreversible", "it's all your fault" (but not ours of course). it's basically like Fraser in Dad's Army: "We're dooomed, doooomed". arlbergbahn
  • Score: 3

3:18pm Fri 7 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

More climate change fear tactics. News flash.........the planets climate has changed and will continue to do so in the future, we simply need to adapt to manage and mitigate it's effects. Beside Michael has proven his inability to forecast relatively short term weather patterns what exactly makes him qualified to predict the future?
More climate change fear tactics. News flash.........the planets climate has changed and will continue to do so in the future, we simply need to adapt to manage and mitigate it's effects. Beside Michael has proven his inability to forecast relatively short term weather patterns what exactly makes him qualified to predict the future? cj07589
  • Score: 4

5:46pm Fri 7 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
siratb wrote:
Climate change is a religion and industry now. Climate change scientists are funded by governments who then use their "results" to increase taxes.

Sure man does pump out too much CO2 and pollution, but this is inevitable with a population growing exponentially.

However in the past, there were continent sized volcanic eruptions lasting a MILLION YEARS which pumped out more CO2 than anything you could possibly generate by mankind. The earth survived, and as mentioned we have had massive swings in the climate for the past millions of years (before mankind in other words). It is only that last 25,000 years that have been relatively stable in climate terms, so it is no surprise that we get swings now and again.

These swings can be due to many things....for example the earth's position in the galaxy (the solar system is constantly moving) or the sun which pulsates cyclically. In fact is is highly likely extreme weather events (like we have just seen) are more likely to be caused by tidal forces than CO2.

My main gripe with "climate" science is that those that really believe in it, don't do anything about it. If you REALLY believe that man is causing CC, then you should hang up YOUR car keys, stop burning north sea gas to heat your home, put up solar panels and wind generators, and become self sufficient. Oh and stop charging that Ipod, ipad and stop using your computer......

Yea, it is never going to happen is it......
And the Climate Experts can never offer any helpful suggestions, can they. it's always "it's too late to do anything", "Climate Change is irreversible", "it's all your fault" (but not ours of course). it's basically like Fraser in Dad's Army:
"We're dooomed, doooomed".
Just like in the 1970s, when Leonard Nimoy made a video warning us of an imminent ice age.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: Climate change is a religion and industry now. Climate change scientists are funded by governments who then use their "results" to increase taxes. Sure man does pump out too much CO2 and pollution, but this is inevitable with a population growing exponentially. However in the past, there were continent sized volcanic eruptions lasting a MILLION YEARS which pumped out more CO2 than anything you could possibly generate by mankind. The earth survived, and as mentioned we have had massive swings in the climate for the past millions of years (before mankind in other words). It is only that last 25,000 years that have been relatively stable in climate terms, so it is no surprise that we get swings now and again. These swings can be due to many things....for example the earth's position in the galaxy (the solar system is constantly moving) or the sun which pulsates cyclically. In fact is is highly likely extreme weather events (like we have just seen) are more likely to be caused by tidal forces than CO2. My main gripe with "climate" science is that those that really believe in it, don't do anything about it. If you REALLY believe that man is causing CC, then you should hang up YOUR car keys, stop burning north sea gas to heat your home, put up solar panels and wind generators, and become self sufficient. Oh and stop charging that Ipod, ipad and stop using your computer...... Yea, it is never going to happen is it......[/p][/quote]And the Climate Experts can never offer any helpful suggestions, can they. it's always "it's too late to do anything", "Climate Change is irreversible", "it's all your fault" (but not ours of course). it's basically like Fraser in Dad's Army: "We're dooomed, doooomed".[/p][/quote]Just like in the 1970s, when Leonard Nimoy made a video warning us of an imminent ice age. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

10:40am Sat 8 Mar 14

Caption Sensible says...

DAS99 wrote:
Four years ago I mistakenly thought the wheels had finally started to fall off the ;global warming' bandwagon. The infamous University of East Anglia emails should have been enough to out those fraudsters fronting this faux industry but astute re-branding from 'global warming' to 'climate change' and lack of media interest in the actual science (far less interesting and thus less paper sales) has meant the bandwagon rolls on with more momentum than ever.

Lets look back further shall we? Who remembers back when all we heard about was about the jetstream shifting north, it was absolutely fundamental to the climate model predictions that were being rammed down our throat. Now, as this was so intrinsic and in fact the very opposite has occurred, renders these predictions worthless. But hey, don't let that stop Mann, Gore and others. Change a few parameters but keep the desired outcome. Don't bother with any science or anything.

It has become almost comical...
Warm dry summers and mild snowless winters were supposed to be on the increase. Droughts would lead to massive water shortages, snow would be confined to distant memories of years gone by, this was the new world order. Then 2007 hit and we had progression of wet cool summers and cold snowy winters. The exact opposite was occurring.

So basically that in a nutshell tells us all we need to know. It matters not what the weather does, wet, dry, cold, windy, snowy, icy, extreme, mild, temperate. Whatever occurs, it will be because of 'climate change'.

Somebody once said to me, why would they bother to lie about these things. I told him to look at how unimaginably massive the industry has become. The taxes raised as a result, jobs, pensions and there it was, the penny dropped...

The politicians are to blame but hey, they're politicians so we come to expect it of them but what is most grating is the spineless lazy media, they are the true villains in all this.
Excellent!
[quote][p][bold]DAS99[/bold] wrote: Four years ago I mistakenly thought the wheels had finally started to fall off the ;global warming' bandwagon. The infamous University of East Anglia emails should have been enough to out those fraudsters fronting this faux industry but astute re-branding from 'global warming' to 'climate change' and lack of media interest in the actual science (far less interesting and thus less paper sales) has meant the bandwagon rolls on with more momentum than ever. Lets look back further shall we? Who remembers back when all we heard about was about the jetstream shifting north, it was absolutely fundamental to the climate model predictions that were being rammed down our throat. Now, as this was so intrinsic and in fact the very opposite has occurred, renders these predictions worthless. But hey, don't let that stop Mann, Gore and others. Change a few parameters but keep the desired outcome. Don't bother with any science or anything. It has become almost comical... Warm dry summers and mild snowless winters were supposed to be on the increase. Droughts would lead to massive water shortages, snow would be confined to distant memories of years gone by, this was the new world order. Then 2007 hit and we had progression of wet cool summers and cold snowy winters. The exact opposite was occurring. So basically that in a nutshell tells us all we need to know. It matters not what the weather does, wet, dry, cold, windy, snowy, icy, extreme, mild, temperate. Whatever occurs, it will be because of 'climate change'. Somebody once said to me, why would they bother to lie about these things. I told him to look at how unimaginably massive the industry has become. The taxes raised as a result, jobs, pensions and there it was, the penny dropped... The politicians are to blame but hey, they're politicians so we come to expect it of them but what is most grating is the spineless lazy media, they are the true villains in all this.[/p][/quote]Excellent! Caption Sensible
  • Score: 2

9:18pm Sat 8 Mar 14

rallymaster says...

At the end of the day, if it rains more,we will have to pay more tax,if its hotter than usual,we pay more tax,if its snows more,we pay more tax. I recently went on a long haul flight,and had to pay something like £150 green tax, does anyone know what it paid for?? I could understand if it went to pay for 50 trees to be planted,but I guess it didn't,eny excuse to get more money from us!
Ibet the next idea would be to tax the countries that have active volcanoes,pumping out all that carbon,ooo,dont forget the seas that boil 24/7 with methane,good little earner that one,and don't get me started on them termites!
At the end of the day, if it rains more,we will have to pay more tax,if its hotter than usual,we pay more tax,if its snows more,we pay more tax. I recently went on a long haul flight,and had to pay something like £150 green tax, does anyone know what it paid for?? I could understand if it went to pay for 50 trees to be planted,but I guess it didn't,eny excuse to get more money from us! Ibet the next idea would be to tax the countries that have active volcanoes,pumping out all that carbon,ooo,dont forget the seas that boil 24/7 with methane,good little earner that one,and don't get me started on them termites! rallymaster
  • Score: 1

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