Outrage at Dorset County Council's £11,000 a day agency bill

Outrage at Dorset County Council's £11,000 a day agency bill

Cllr Janet Dover

Barry Thompson

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Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

MORE THAN £11,000 a day has been spent on agency staff and consultants by Dorset County Council.

Figures which were handed to the audit and scrutiny committee show that the authority racked up a bill of more than £1million between October and December last year.

And nearly half of that – a total of £531,744 – was spent by the Dorset Waste Partnership.

Calculating the number of days within this period divided by the total amount, it means agency staff cost an estimated £11,709 a day.

The figures come to light as the council ploughs on with its Forward Together programme – a bid to cut £48m over the next three years.

In January, the Echo revealed that around 200 staff had already been made redundant.

But the overall reduction in posts has been nearly 500 with removing vacant posts and redeploying staff.

The Non-directly Employed Contract Workforce report for Quarter Three says that excluding the DWP cost, ‘expenditure on agency and consultancy staff has been stabilised at a significantly lower level than the previous three years’.

But critics say the ‘enormous amount’ of money being spent still isn’t good enough.

And living wage campaigners say if the council raised the income of its lowest paid workers, it would boost morale causing less sick time.

More than 70 per cent of the agency orders were made for unqualified social and healthcare staff.

But these only took up the second lowest chunk of the total, coming in at £79,416.

The most money was spent on admin and clerical roles, at a total cost of £160,384.95.

Cllr Janet Dover, Lib Dem leader, said: “Residents have just got their council tax bills – it’s gone up and they’re going to be looking for more value for money.

“Money is scarce and they want to make sure the county council is spending their money wisely.

“Agency staff are very expensive.

“We have to be asking why they are needed and make the council aware the public is looking.”

She said the council could be doing more to use the ‘expertise’ of its employees to cover consultancy work internally.

Barry Thompson from the Dorchester Labour Party said: “With all of the extra money they are paying on agency staff they should be looking at employing people on a proper wage.

“If you’re on a low wage, your morale is low and so you might call in sick.

“If those paid under the living wage were paid better, they’d have more incentive.”

The report says spending is in line with the previous quarter but ‘above average for the previous year, largely because of the additional requirements of the Dorset Waste Partnership (DWP) during implementation and roll out of the recycle for Dorset service’.

And although this spending is starting to reduce, ‘the increase in the need for front-line adult social worker assignments and hours reported last quarter is continuing’.

A spokesman for the Dorset Waste Partnership (DWP) said: “The vast proportion of agency staff costs for the DWP during October to December were for operational staff working on collecting waste and cleaning streets.

“However, the roll out of the new recycle for Dorset service also required some additional and temporary admin support.

“Operational agency costs should not be seen as additional to the cost of paying DWP staff.

“They are part of the overall staff bill for collecting waste and cleaning streets.

“Since December, however, the DWP has been employing operational staff in permanent positions as part of a move to reducing its use of agency workers.

“While this will have the effect of reducing agency costs, the work must still be done and the cost of DWP permanent staff will increase proportionately “The DWP is working hard to ensure its services are as efficient and effective as possible.”

Staff spend under review says council finance head

THE council’s head of corporate finance told councillors on the audit and scrutiny committee that the agency spend is ‘under review’.

Peter Illsley said: “Permanent appointments are being made now the new service is being established.

“This is really about giving visibility to the expenditure that we are incurring apart from the employed workforce.”

Chairman Trevor Jones said the council now has a ‘grip’ of the situation after new control measures were introduced.

He said: “The figures were misleading but caused a panic.

“As a result, new control procedures were introduced before new consultants were hired.

“What’s been revealed as a result of these figures is that we have now got a grip of it.”

Freelancer paid more than chief executive

DORSET County Council vowed to look at its agency spend in 2012 after an Echo investigation revealed one temporary worker earned more than the chief executive.

We found that 10 temporary workers had cost almost £1.3m in three years.

Last June, fresh figures showed that the bill for agency, consultancy and freelancers was £5m in 2012-2013 – working out at £95,961 a week, or £408,000 a month.

Union’s anger over ‘money wasted’

THE SPEND has been condemned as ‘money wasted’ by a council workers’ union representative. Pamela Jeffries of Unison, pictured, said there are still ‘far too many’ workers on zero hours contracts which makes them more likely to take time off sick, leading to a bigger agency spend.

She added: “Money wasted on agency staff could be channelled into having staff that are properly trained.

“There have been cutbacks, but if you cut back too far you cause the problems that mean you have to use agency staff.

“People go off sick and there’s no one to cover. Employees are having to overwork as it is.

“There will always be a need for short-term cover but staff are less likely to go off sick if they are treated sufficiently.

“This is not good enough. Money spent on agency staff is money wasted.”

THE KEY FACTS

  • In six months (June to December), 668 orders for unqualified health and social care agency workers were made by the council.
  • In Quarter 3, nearly 60 per cent of total orders for agency were made because of staff on short-term sick leave. This had increased by nine per cent on Quarter 2 n An additional £8,168 was spent on agency workers’ expenses from October to December.
  • In December, there were 19 agency workers who had been contracted to the council for more than two years.

SPEND BY DEPARTMENT

  • Dorset Waste Partnership - £531, 744.79
  • Environment - £237,310.36
  • Adult and Community  - £192,380.49
  • Children’s Services - £59,014.20
  • Corporate Resources - £56,813.43

THE top spend was for a project engineer in the environment sector. The set pay rate for this job was £18.48 per hour. The council ended up paying £28.50 – an extra £10.02 an hour. It cost £14,741.94 from October to December. This post was open from December 2011 to March 2, 2014.

Other high spends October-December

  • Children’s Services; social worker – £14,222.48 (£27 per hour)
  • Environment; Architect – £13,681.69 (£19 per hour)
  • Environment; Architectural technician – £13,510.55 (£25.62 per hour)
  • Children’s Services; Social worker – £13,501.41 (£30 per hour)
  • Environment; Senior/ principal engineer – £12,636.05 (£24.40 per hour)

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7:39am Sat 22 Mar 14

MaidofDorset says...

Sometimes cutting to the bone on staffing actually works out more expensive as agency staff are much more expensive and however well meaning not as useful as someone seconded from another department who knows the job.
Sometimes cutting to the bone on staffing actually works out more expensive as agency staff are much more expensive and however well meaning not as useful as someone seconded from another department who knows the job. MaidofDorset
  • Score: 3

8:26am Sat 22 Mar 14

cj07589 says...

Well this lot are experts in wasting other peoples money not exactly new news is it.
Well this lot are experts in wasting other peoples money not exactly new news is it. cj07589
  • Score: 9

8:47am Sat 22 Mar 14

cosmick says...

The people who run the bussiness should be given a NO AGENCY order if they cut to much be it on there head. My rates have gone up and these people waste it. Iwonder how many proper bussiness run with agency workers, ALAN SUGAR? VIRGIN,? Only firms with a cash cow use this type of workforce.
WE ARE BEING MUGGED EVERY DAY.
The people who run the bussiness should be given a NO AGENCY order if they cut to much be it on there head. My rates have gone up and these people waste it. Iwonder how many proper bussiness run with agency workers, ALAN SUGAR? VIRGIN,? Only firms with a cash cow use this type of workforce. WE ARE BEING MUGGED EVERY DAY. cosmick
  • Score: 15

8:58am Sat 22 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

I can tell you from first hand experience, that if you stopped the employment of all DCC agency workers from Monday, certain critical services would fall apart and certain vulnerable members of society would be at risk. Spending has not been reduced, it is merely a slight of hand exercise moving figures from one balance sheet onto another. Experienced knowledgable employees have been made redundant and either not replaced or replaced with people not accredited to do the job or by agency staff. If you take the case of a Social worker based on the hourly rate charged by an agency, DCC is paying nearly twice the salary they would pay for a substantive employee. Total false economics.
I can tell you from first hand experience, that if you stopped the employment of all DCC agency workers from Monday, certain critical services would fall apart and certain vulnerable members of society would be at risk. Spending has not been reduced, it is merely a slight of hand exercise moving figures from one balance sheet onto another. Experienced knowledgable employees have been made redundant and either not replaced or replaced with people not accredited to do the job or by agency staff. If you take the case of a Social worker based on the hourly rate charged by an agency, DCC is paying nearly twice the salary they would pay for a substantive employee. Total false economics. woodsedge
  • Score: 0

9:39am Sat 22 Mar 14

dontbuyit says...

And the same false economy is being practiced at the hospital. Top heavy with management and agency nurses paid 3 times the cost of staff nurses. Low morale amongst staff nurses driving them to leave requiring more agency nurses to fill the gaps.
And the same false economy is being practiced at the hospital. Top heavy with management and agency nurses paid 3 times the cost of staff nurses. Low morale amongst staff nurses driving them to leave requiring more agency nurses to fill the gaps. dontbuyit
  • Score: 19

9:49am Sat 22 Mar 14

Dave Aitch says...

Look for yourself.

"Internal applicants or agency workers within DCC only":

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Look for yourself. "Internal applicants or agency workers within DCC only": http://jobs.dorsetfo ryou.com/Jobs.aspx?p age=0&sSimple= Dave Aitch
  • Score: 5

10:49am Sat 22 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
"Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 1

11:34am Sat 22 Mar 14

marabout says...

We found that 10 temporary workers had cost almost £1.3m in three years.



Which averages at about £43,000 PA.

Which is pretty low for an agency worker. If DCC are paying their agency workers £43k per year then they are being very thrifty and canny with our money and they get my full support.
We found that 10 temporary workers had cost almost £1.3m in three years. Which averages at about £43,000 PA. Which is pretty low for an agency worker. If DCC are paying their agency workers £43k per year then they are being very thrifty and canny with our money and they get my full support. marabout
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Tinker2 says...

Dorset Waste Partnership, the biggest wasters of money. Bit ironic?
I wonder whether the whole contract should not have been put out for competitive 'outside' tendering?
Still a lot of work needed to be done on improving admin efficiency, performance and accountability. The only true way would be to form a single tier, unitary authority getting rid of the WDDC and WPBC, etc.
Sorry, cut out agency fees and jobs first, services second.
Dorset Waste Partnership, the biggest wasters of money. Bit ironic? I wonder whether the whole contract should not have been put out for competitive 'outside' tendering? Still a lot of work needed to be done on improving admin efficiency, performance and accountability. The only true way would be to form a single tier, unitary authority getting rid of the WDDC and WPBC, etc. Sorry, cut out agency fees and jobs first, services second. Tinker2
  • Score: 4

2:02pm Sat 22 Mar 14

WestDorsetLass says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more. WestDorsetLass
  • Score: 3

3:24pm Sat 22 Mar 14

weymouthfox says...

Dorset County Council are experts at wasing money, look at the expensive mess they have made at Overcombe and will shortly be starting with the wholly unecessary new islands. Add to this the Weymouth traffic system designed by Mr Matt Piles, now quietly promoted to Head of Roads, and you have a picture of the incompetance of the county council on a financial and on a practical plane What are our new county councillors doing about it?
Dorset County Council are experts at wasing money, look at the expensive mess they have made at Overcombe and will shortly be starting with the wholly unecessary new islands. Add to this the Weymouth traffic system designed by Mr Matt Piles, now quietly promoted to Head of Roads, and you have a picture of the incompetance of the county council on a financial and on a practical plane What are our new county councillors doing about it? weymouthfox
  • Score: 14

3:45pm Sat 22 Mar 14

siratb says...

Agency workers don't call in sick
Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension
Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working

Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job.

Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there?

24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments.
Agency workers don't call in sick Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job. Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there? 24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments. siratb
  • Score: 13

7:02pm Sat 22 Mar 14

3rdAccount says...

I know agency staff appear very expensive but remember you don't have to pay them holiday or sick pay.

There are a lot (and I mean a lot) of sick notes working at DCC (I know as I used to work there) so hiring agency staff probably works out cheaper.
I know agency staff appear very expensive but remember you don't have to pay them holiday or sick pay. There are a lot (and I mean a lot) of sick notes working at DCC (I know as I used to work there) so hiring agency staff probably works out cheaper. 3rdAccount
  • Score: 15

8:31pm Sat 22 Mar 14

vblack says...

siratb wrote:
Agency workers don't call in sick
Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension
Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working

Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job.

Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there?

24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments.
This is true when one factors in the pension. That makes me ask though, where the agency makes its money. Presumably in that they are not giving the worker the holiday pay, pension contribution or sick pay. Ah, so once again it is the worker who is exploited! Not sure the council should be colluding in that.
[quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: Agency workers don't call in sick Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job. Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there? 24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments.[/p][/quote]This is true when one factors in the pension. That makes me ask though, where the agency makes its money. Presumably in that they are not giving the worker the holiday pay, pension contribution or sick pay. Ah, so once again it is the worker who is exploited! Not sure the council should be colluding in that. vblack
  • Score: 6

10:27pm Sat 22 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

vblack wrote:
siratb wrote:
Agency workers don't call in sick
Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension
Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working

Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job.

Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there?

24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments.
This is true when one factors in the pension. That makes me ask though, where the agency makes its money. Presumably in that they are not giving the worker the holiday pay, pension contribution or sick pay. Ah, so once again it is the worker who is exploited! Not sure the council should be colluding in that.
Most agency staff do get sick and holiday pay as a result of the Agency Workers Directive. The agency pays.
[quote][p][bold]vblack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: Agency workers don't call in sick Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job. Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there? 24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments.[/p][/quote]This is true when one factors in the pension. That makes me ask though, where the agency makes its money. Presumably in that they are not giving the worker the holiday pay, pension contribution or sick pay. Ah, so once again it is the worker who is exploited! Not sure the council should be colluding in that.[/p][/quote]Most agency staff do get sick and holiday pay as a result of the Agency Workers Directive. The agency pays. JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

10:35pm Sat 22 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

I can't make head or tail of this story, there are so many figures quoted.
Is the cost £1m? What is the £1.7m? Are these costs over 3 months?
The word "outrage" appears yet again, but if we assume that all of DCC's 10,000 employees are paid the minimum wage, then the council spend around £32m a quarter. In other words, 3% of the total staffing bill was spent on agency staff. For the flexibility that they bring, i would say this was actually quite low. Many city businesses have 10-20% of the workforce as contractors.
As for the comment made earlier about the Living Wage providing better motivation, that's utter rubbish. I know of plenty of people in the IT industry who earn far more than the minimum wage but, because they've worked for their employer for some time and know the rules, do the minimum and take lots of sick leave. The Living Wage is a great thing and is morally the right thing to do, but we have created a system that is abused by many. I suspect the amount of sick leave taken for stress related reasons would drop massively if there was no sick pay forthcoming.
I can't make head or tail of this story, there are so many figures quoted. Is the cost £1m? What is the £1.7m? Are these costs over 3 months? The word "outrage" appears yet again, but if we assume that all of DCC's 10,000 employees are paid the minimum wage, then the council spend around £32m a quarter. In other words, 3% of the total staffing bill was spent on agency staff. For the flexibility that they bring, i would say this was actually quite low. Many city businesses have 10-20% of the workforce as contractors. As for the comment made earlier about the Living Wage providing better motivation, that's utter rubbish. I know of plenty of people in the IT industry who earn far more than the minimum wage but, because they've worked for their employer for some time and know the rules, do the minimum and take lots of sick leave. The Living Wage is a great thing and is morally the right thing to do, but we have created a system that is abused by many. I suspect the amount of sick leave taken for stress related reasons would drop massively if there was no sick pay forthcoming. JamesYoung
  • Score: 13

10:38pm Sat 22 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

woodsedge wrote:
I can tell you from first hand experience, that if you stopped the employment of all DCC agency workers from Monday, certain critical services would fall apart and certain vulnerable members of society would be at risk. Spending has not been reduced, it is merely a slight of hand exercise moving figures from one balance sheet onto another. Experienced knowledgable employees have been made redundant and either not replaced or replaced with people not accredited to do the job or by agency staff. If you take the case of a Social worker based on the hourly rate charged by an agency, DCC is paying nearly twice the salary they would pay for a substantive employee. Total false economics.
There is a place for agency workers - i.e., they provide additional capacity. It should not be the case that they are replacing permanent staff if there is a long term need.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: I can tell you from first hand experience, that if you stopped the employment of all DCC agency workers from Monday, certain critical services would fall apart and certain vulnerable members of society would be at risk. Spending has not been reduced, it is merely a slight of hand exercise moving figures from one balance sheet onto another. Experienced knowledgable employees have been made redundant and either not replaced or replaced with people not accredited to do the job or by agency staff. If you take the case of a Social worker based on the hourly rate charged by an agency, DCC is paying nearly twice the salary they would pay for a substantive employee. Total false economics.[/p][/quote]There is a place for agency workers - i.e., they provide additional capacity. It should not be the case that they are replacing permanent staff if there is a long term need. JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

9:53am Sun 23 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/10
060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/1006093
4.Sick_days_shocker_
as_county_council_is
_almost_twice_nation
al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/4057291
.__1_3_million_cost_
of_Dorset_County_Cou
ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres
s.com/2013/12/17/wom
en-take-almost-50-mo
re-short-term-sick-l
eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
[quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course) Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 2

11:16am Sun 23 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou

thecho.co.uk/news/10

060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/1006093

4.Sick_days_shocker_

as_county_council_is

_almost_twice_nation

al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/4057291

.__1_3_million_cost_

of_Dorset_County_Cou

ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres

s.com/2013/12/17/wom

en-take-almost-50-mo

re-short-term-sick-l

eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for.
Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)[/p][/quote]She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for. Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause. JamesYoung
  • Score: 14

12:34pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou


thecho.co.uk/news/10


060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech


o.co.uk/news/1006093


4.Sick_days_shocker_


as_county_council_is


_almost_twice_nation


al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech


o.co.uk/news/4057291


.__1_3_million_cost_


of_Dorset_County_Cou


ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres


s.com/2013/12/17/wom


en-take-almost-50-mo


re-short-term-sick-l


eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for.
Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.
Yeah the facts are irrelevant James.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)[/p][/quote]She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for. Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.[/p][/quote]Yeah the facts are irrelevant James. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Sun 23 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou


thecho.co.uk/news/10


060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech


o.co.uk/news/1006093


4.Sick_days_shocker_


as_county_council_is


_almost_twice_nation


al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech


o.co.uk/news/4057291


.__1_3_million_cost_


of_Dorset_County_Cou


ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres


s.com/2013/12/17/wom


en-take-almost-50-mo


re-short-term-sick-l


eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for.
Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.
James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)[/p][/quote]She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for. Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.[/p][/quote]James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue. woodsedge
  • Score: -1

2:31pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou



thecho.co.uk/news/10



060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech



o.co.uk/news/1006093



4.Sick_days_shocker_



as_county_council_is



_almost_twice_nation



al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech



o.co.uk/news/4057291



.__1_3_million_cost_



of_Dorset_County_Cou



ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres



s.com/2013/12/17/wom



en-take-almost-50-mo



re-short-term-sick-l



eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for.
Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.
James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue.
"Oh James, hold my hand and back me up please, while i call him some names and make up some more random obfuscation"
- Woodsedge.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)[/p][/quote]She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for. Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.[/p][/quote]James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue.[/p][/quote]"Oh James, hold my hand and back me up please, while i call him some names and make up some more random obfuscation" - Woodsedge. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Sun 23 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou




thecho.co.uk/news/10




060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech




o.co.uk/news/1006093




4.Sick_days_shocker_




as_county_council_is




_almost_twice_nation




al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech




o.co.uk/news/4057291




.__1_3_million_cost_




of_Dorset_County_Cou




ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres




s.com/2013/12/17/wom




en-take-almost-50-mo




re-short-term-sick-l




eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for.
Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.
James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue.
"Oh James, hold my hand and back me up please, while i call him some names and make up some more random obfuscation"
- Woodsedge.
Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)[/p][/quote]She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for. Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.[/p][/quote]James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue.[/p][/quote]"Oh James, hold my hand and back me up please, while i call him some names and make up some more random obfuscation" - Woodsedge.[/p][/quote]Oh dear. woodsedge
  • Score: -3

3:18pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

woodsedge wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou





thecho.co.uk/news/10





060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech





o.co.uk/news/1006093





4.Sick_days_shocker_





as_county_council_is





_almost_twice_nation





al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech





o.co.uk/news/4057291





.__1_3_million_cost_





of_Dorset_County_Cou





ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres





s.com/2013/12/17/wom





en-take-almost-50-mo





re-short-term-sick-l





eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for.
Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.
James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue.
"Oh James, hold my hand and back me up please, while i call him some names and make up some more random obfuscation"
- Woodsedge.
Oh dear.
Oh dear indeed, that's the best you can manage, as always.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)[/p][/quote]She's a woman with an impressive career history and exactly the right calibre of CEO the council should be looking for. Please, stop the rants. I agree with some of the stuff you post but your default position that everything is an issue of feminism does nothing for your cause.[/p][/quote]James, note the minus scores that follow Sigurd AKA David AKA Cecil on every thread! The new Sigurd character is because the last account got deleted for inappropriate comments, again! Best to ignore him James, you cannot debate with someone who obviously has a mental health issue.[/p][/quote]"Oh James, hold my hand and back me up please, while i call him some names and make up some more random obfuscation" - Woodsedge.[/p][/quote]Oh dear.[/p][/quote]Oh dear indeed, that's the best you can manage, as always. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Sun 23 Mar 14

wurzelbasher says...

This is what we have come to expect from this bunch of useless disorganised morons!
This is what we have come to expect from this bunch of useless disorganised morons! wurzelbasher
  • Score: 7

7:53pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Bert Fry says...

James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass,
Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).
James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass, Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate). Bert Fry
  • Score: 5

7:55pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Bert Fry wrote:
James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass,
Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).
Bert fry turned up on a woodsedge thread for backup again, funny that?
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass, Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).[/p][/quote]Bert fry turned up on a woodsedge thread for backup again, funny that? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Sun 23 Mar 14

woodsedge says...

Bert Fry wrote:
James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass,
Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).
Bert, the funny thing is that Sigurd is so paranoid that he thinks we are playing his game, two posters one person. I do agree with you that we shouldn't give him the attention he so obviously craves.
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass, Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).[/p][/quote]Bert, the funny thing is that Sigurd is so paranoid that he thinks we are playing his game, two posters one person. I do agree with you that we shouldn't give him the attention he so obviously craves. woodsedge
  • Score: 4

8:34pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass,
Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).
Bert, the funny thing is that Sigurd is so paranoid that he thinks we are playing his game, two posters one person. I do agree with you that we shouldn't give him the attention he so obviously craves.
Funny that.....
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass, Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).[/p][/quote]Bert, the funny thing is that Sigurd is so paranoid that he thinks we are playing his game, two posters one person. I do agree with you that we shouldn't give him the attention he so obviously craves.[/p][/quote]Funny that..... Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: -4

9:30pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Bert Fry says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
Bert Fry wrote:
James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass,
Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).
Bert, the funny thing is that Sigurd is so paranoid that he thinks we are playing his game, two posters one person. I do agree with you that we shouldn't give him the attention he so obviously craves.
Funny that.....
Funny that (sorry, couldn't resist)!
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: James, Woodsedge, Westdorsetlass, Please, please, please stop feeding the troll (it just takes me longer and longer to scroll through to the sensible debate).[/p][/quote]Bert, the funny thing is that Sigurd is so paranoid that he thinks we are playing his game, two posters one person. I do agree with you that we shouldn't give him the attention he so obviously craves.[/p][/quote]Funny that.....[/p][/quote]Funny that (sorry, couldn't resist)! Bert Fry
  • Score: -4

8:50am Mon 24 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
WestDorsetLass wrote:
Sigurd Hoberth wrote:
"Dorset Waste Partnership."

Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.
So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man.

Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.
Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious?

http://www.bournemou

thecho.co.uk/news/10

060934.print/

http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/1006093

4.Sick_days_shocker_

as_county_council_is

_almost_twice_nation

al_average/?ref=rc

http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/4057291

.__1_3_million_cost_

of_Dorset_County_Cou

ncil_sick_days/

http://j4mb.wordpres

s.com/2013/12/17/wom

en-take-almost-50-mo

re-short-term-sick-l

eave-than-men/

BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)
Just to recap, some food for thought on waste and one reason why so many agency staff are used. For some reason mangina's and agendists go into a mental breakdown of name calling and vitriol when all you do is post some honest facts and links relevant to the story?
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestDorsetLass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoberth[/bold] wrote: "Dorset Waste Partnership." Isn't that what the mostly female staffed, female led Council really is now? Just like our education system?..... Sooner or later denial will no longer be an option, they will keep blaming something else of course.[/p][/quote]So you think it's all the fault of women? Hate to tell you this but the director for corporate resources at DCC (which includes human resources) is a man. Grow up - we don't live in the stone age any more.[/p][/quote]Of course not entirely, but with over 80% of the workforce female and the following studies and info below, see if you can see something obvious? http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 060934.print/ http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1006093 4.Sick_days_shocker_ as_county_council_is _almost_twice_nation al_average/?ref=rc http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/4057291 .__1_3_million_cost_ of_Dorset_County_Cou ncil_sick_days/ http://j4mb.wordpres s.com/2013/12/17/wom en-take-almost-50-mo re-short-term-sick-l eave-than-men/ BTW, the one responsible for it all that the human resource guy has to answer to, is a woman. ( I suspect on 140k + extras though she is a victim still of course)[/p][/quote]Just to recap, some food for thought on waste and one reason why so many agency staff are used. For some reason mangina's and agendists go into a mental breakdown of name calling and vitriol when all you do is post some honest facts and links relevant to the story? Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 4

10:54am Mon 24 Mar 14

Lanedor says...

siratb wrote:
Agency workers don't call in sick
Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension
Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working

Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job.

Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there?

24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments.
I have read the comments regarding the use of Agency staff and agree with siratb's comment above. Agency workers rarely go sick (although they are entitled to SSP), rarely operate the easy options of working from home or flexi time and don't waste the day in the huge amount of needless meetings which seem to go on! More importantly - Agency staff will undertake the boring tasks that the council full time employees will not do!

The Council are to blame for this situation. Why have they allowed their full time employees to opt for voluntary redundancy schemes which offer them enhanced rates? Why do the Council only use one procurement company for their Agency staff? This in turn has created a monopoly and despite this company using others to supply them I am sure going direct to local firms would be a more cost effective option for all concerned.

With regard to the comment made by Pamela Jeffries - she should be ashamed of herself! Agency workers do have excellent skills as many have worked in private industry where they have to be 'up to speed' with everything. They are also hardworking and appreciate the fact that they have a job!

For the misinformed of you who read these comments, under the Agency Worker Regulations - agency workers now have considerable rights.
[quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: Agency workers don't call in sick Agency workers don't have contributions paid towards a pension Agency workers don't cost money when they are not working Frankly, for someone to "call in sick" because they have "low moral" means they are not fit for the job. Perhaps if DCC stopped paying people who called in sick with "bogus" reasons, then they could save some money there? 24.40 quid an hour for a "Senior" Engineer is not that much when you consider this is the total cost to the employer - no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension contributions, no other payments.[/p][/quote]I have read the comments regarding the use of Agency staff and agree with siratb's comment above. Agency workers rarely go sick (although they are entitled to SSP), rarely operate the easy options of working from home or flexi time and don't waste the day in the huge amount of needless meetings which seem to go on! More importantly - Agency staff will undertake the boring tasks that the council full time employees will not do! The Council are to blame for this situation. Why have they allowed their full time employees to opt for voluntary redundancy schemes which offer them enhanced rates? Why do the Council only use one procurement company for their Agency staff? This in turn has created a monopoly and despite this company using others to supply them I am sure going direct to local firms would be a more cost effective option for all concerned. With regard to the comment made by Pamela Jeffries - she should be ashamed of herself! Agency workers do have excellent skills as many have worked in private industry where they have to be 'up to speed' with everything. They are also hardworking and appreciate the fact that they have a job! For the misinformed of you who read these comments, under the Agency Worker Regulations - agency workers now have considerable rights. Lanedor
  • Score: 2

10:43am Wed 26 Mar 14

Dorset stuff says...

No story here, as usual. Just waiting for the "Ivory Tower" or "Fat cat" comments. Agency workers are needed, usually because the caliber of staff required is not available short notice to fill a post or in DWP's case they needed short term extra staff for a roll out of a new service. Some of the salaries posted above are to be honest fair and normal. The "Environment Architect" on £19 an hour is a bargain, £19 an hour is nothing.
The comments above regarding Men/Women in certain rolls is pointless and should be deleted.
The Echo is light on stories today so have dug out some old FOI or publicly available info to try and find a story and get everyone excited. Again, non story.
No story here, as usual. Just waiting for the "Ivory Tower" or "Fat cat" comments. Agency workers are needed, usually because the caliber of staff required is not available short notice to fill a post or in DWP's case they needed short term extra staff for a roll out of a new service. Some of the salaries posted above are to be honest fair and normal. The "Environment Architect" on £19 an hour is a bargain, £19 an hour is nothing. The comments above regarding Men/Women in certain rolls is pointless and should be deleted. The Echo is light on stories today so have dug out some old FOI or publicly available info to try and find a story and get everyone excited. Again, non story. Dorset stuff
  • Score: -3

8:44am Thu 27 Mar 14

bigfatlad says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I can't make head or tail of this story, there are so many figures quoted.
Is the cost £1m? What is the £1.7m? Are these costs over 3 months?
The word "outrage" appears yet again, but if we assume that all of DCC's 10,000 employees are paid the minimum wage, then the council spend around £32m a quarter. In other words, 3% of the total staffing bill was spent on agency staff. For the flexibility that they bring, i would say this was actually quite low. Many city businesses have 10-20% of the workforce as contractors.
As for the comment made earlier about the Living Wage providing better motivation, that's utter rubbish. I know of plenty of people in the IT industry who earn far more than the minimum wage but, because they've worked for their employer for some time and know the rules, do the minimum and take lots of sick leave. The Living Wage is a great thing and is morally the right thing to do, but we have created a system that is abused by many. I suspect the amount of sick leave taken for stress related reasons would drop massively if there was no sick pay forthcoming.
At a time when people on DWP sickness benefits are being bullied and having their benefits stopped, it is galling to read that local taxpayers are having to fund what appears to be a "skiver culture". I suggest that there is a maximum number of "sickies" that can be thrown before the employee is dismissed. It certainly happens in the private sector.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I can't make head or tail of this story, there are so many figures quoted. Is the cost £1m? What is the £1.7m? Are these costs over 3 months? The word "outrage" appears yet again, but if we assume that all of DCC's 10,000 employees are paid the minimum wage, then the council spend around £32m a quarter. In other words, 3% of the total staffing bill was spent on agency staff. For the flexibility that they bring, i would say this was actually quite low. Many city businesses have 10-20% of the workforce as contractors. As for the comment made earlier about the Living Wage providing better motivation, that's utter rubbish. I know of plenty of people in the IT industry who earn far more than the minimum wage but, because they've worked for their employer for some time and know the rules, do the minimum and take lots of sick leave. The Living Wage is a great thing and is morally the right thing to do, but we have created a system that is abused by many. I suspect the amount of sick leave taken for stress related reasons would drop massively if there was no sick pay forthcoming.[/p][/quote]At a time when people on DWP sickness benefits are being bullied and having their benefits stopped, it is galling to read that local taxpayers are having to fund what appears to be a "skiver culture". I suggest that there is a maximum number of "sickies" that can be thrown before the employee is dismissed. It certainly happens in the private sector. bigfatlad
  • Score: 4

1:23pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
No story here, as usual. Just waiting for the "Ivory Tower" or "Fat cat" comments. Agency workers are needed, usually because the caliber of staff required is not available short notice to fill a post or in DWP's case they needed short term extra staff for a roll out of a new service. Some of the salaries posted above are to be honest fair and normal. The "Environment Architect" on £19 an hour is a bargain, £19 an hour is nothing.
The comments above regarding Men/Women in certain rolls is pointless and should be deleted.
The Echo is light on stories today so have dug out some old FOI or publicly available info to try and find a story and get everyone excited. Again, non story.
Yes, lets delete FACTS because you don't like obvious FACTS from official sources that tell us much about female staff and their efficiency compared to men. Typical of today and the culture of Misandry.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: No story here, as usual. Just waiting for the "Ivory Tower" or "Fat cat" comments. Agency workers are needed, usually because the caliber of staff required is not available short notice to fill a post or in DWP's case they needed short term extra staff for a roll out of a new service. Some of the salaries posted above are to be honest fair and normal. The "Environment Architect" on £19 an hour is a bargain, £19 an hour is nothing. The comments above regarding Men/Women in certain rolls is pointless and should be deleted. The Echo is light on stories today so have dug out some old FOI or publicly available info to try and find a story and get everyone excited. Again, non story.[/p][/quote]Yes, lets delete FACTS because you don't like obvious FACTS from official sources that tell us much about female staff and their efficiency compared to men. Typical of today and the culture of Misandry. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 5

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