Weymouth and Portland worst affected as Dorset workers struggle to make living wage

PROTEST: Trade union members campaign for a living wage outside County Hall

CAMPAIGN: Neil Duncan-Jordan

INCREASE: Barry Thompson

First published in News by

ONE in four people working in Dorset earns less than the living wage, it has been revealed today.

And Weymouth and Portland is the worst-off area, with nearly 29 percent of workers earning less than £7.65 per hour.

The Trades Union Council has analysed official figures from the House of Commons Library which also show almost 21 percent of people working in West Dorset and 24.8 percent of workers in North Dorset earn less than the living wage.

The Living Wage for Dorset Campaign has operated for the past two years and is lobbying councils and businesses in the county to increase wages for the lowest-paid workers.

Discussing the figures, Neil Duncan-Jordan, LWD campaign chairman, said: “We have an agricultural sector, we have a large social care sector, and we have a large hospitality, hotel and leisure sector.

“Those are all predominantly low paid.”

Mr Duncan-Jordan said the campaign was targeted predominantly at high street names and businesses people have heard of.

The campaign recently lobbied Dorset County Council to pay all employees £7.65 an hour. Councillors decided to wait for a national review to take place before considering implementation of the scheme.

One Weymouth bar worker, who wishes to remain anonymous, said he earned £5.94 per hour.

The 19 year-old added: “Even if the minimum wage was slightly increased, it would be helpful. “What gets me is that a 21-year-old worker that still lives at home earns more than me, and I have more bills.”

The latest figures have been released to coincide with the 15th anniversary of the introduction of the minimum wage, as well as TUC’s Fair Pay Fortnight, which ends April 6. Nigel Costley, regional secretary of the South West TUC, said: “Working families are experiencing the biggest pressure on their living standards since Victorian times.

“Pay has been squeezed at all levels below the boardroom and it’s costing the South West’s economy dear.”

Barry Thompson, chairman of the Dorchester and District Labour Party, described the figures as scandalous.

He said: “I think the people who are on minimal wage should have their wages increased as soon as possible.

“There should be plans put in place to step it up, even if it is over a two year period.”

Mr Thompson said ‘big profitable companies’ have to face up to the responsibility. He added: “We’ve got to encourage them to do it.

“We have got to show that it is a social obligation.”

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9:06am Tue 1 Apr 14

cosmick says...

With open borders dont think that wages will rise, the idea is keep the poor poor. Keeps them working to make ends meet.
With open borders dont think that wages will rise, the idea is keep the poor poor. Keeps them working to make ends meet. cosmick
  • Score: 18

10:39am Tue 1 Apr 14

bigrand says...

O surprise
O surprise bigrand
  • Score: 3

10:52am Tue 1 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

It's not just uncontrolled excessive immigration that keeps wages low. The minimum wage gives employers a lower limit which they perceive as a target.

If anyone will do the job for the minimum wage that's all the employer will pay. If the employee thinks the job is worth more he'll get his P45 pretty sharpish and somone else will be brought in on minimum wage.
It's not just uncontrolled excessive immigration that keeps wages low. The minimum wage gives employers a lower limit which they perceive as a target. If anyone will do the job for the minimum wage that's all the employer will pay. If the employee thinks the job is worth more he'll get his P45 pretty sharpish and somone else will be brought in on minimum wage. JackJohnson
  • Score: 19

12:04pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dorset stuff says...

Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job. Dorset stuff
  • Score: -16

12:39pm Tue 1 Apr 14

portland rebel says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
did you not mean to say a decent employer rather than a decent job, or do you suffer with the 21st century epidemic (greed), do you not think that someone working 40hrs a week, should be able to feed, house & cloth themselves without government hand outs, if an employer cannot afford to pay a living wage they shouldnt be in business.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]did you not mean to say a decent employer rather than a decent job, or do you suffer with the 21st century epidemic (greed), do you not think that someone working 40hrs a week, should be able to feed, house & cloth themselves without government hand outs, if an employer cannot afford to pay a living wage they shouldnt be in business. portland rebel
  • Score: 28

12:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

If an employer doesn't pay a proper living wage he is using the peoples' money (via tax credits) to subsidise his business.
If an employer doesn't pay a proper living wage he is using the peoples' money (via tax credits) to subsidise his business. JackJohnson
  • Score: 26

1:34pm Tue 1 Apr 14

IslandJim1 says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap! IslandJim1
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Tue 1 Apr 14

The Fish says...

IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
You do not need to be 18 to work behind a bar - infact I do not think there is a minimum age at all, as long as they are under supervision of somebody over the age of 18.
[quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]You do not need to be 18 to work behind a bar - infact I do not think there is a minimum age at all, as long as they are under supervision of somebody over the age of 18. The Fish
  • Score: -14

2:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

IslandJim1 says...

The Fish wrote:
IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
You do not need to be 18 to work behind a bar - infact I do not think there is a minimum age at all, as long as they are under supervision of somebody over the age of 18.
I cant think of many bar's that would employ someone under the age of 18, just to require another member of staff to authorises there every action. Anyway this fact only compounds my point, it cast's the recruitment net further, if an unqualified 16-17 year old can do the same job as you, why would you warrant anything other than minimum wage?
[quote][p][bold]The Fish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]You do not need to be 18 to work behind a bar - infact I do not think there is a minimum age at all, as long as they are under supervision of somebody over the age of 18.[/p][/quote]I cant think of many bar's that would employ someone under the age of 18, just to require another member of staff to authorises there every action. Anyway this fact only compounds my point, it cast's the recruitment net further, if an unqualified 16-17 year old can do the same job as you, why would you warrant anything other than minimum wage? IslandJim1
  • Score: 5

3:10pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dorset stuff says...

portland rebel wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
did you not mean to say a decent employer rather than a decent job, or do you suffer with the 21st century epidemic (greed), do you not think that someone working 40hrs a week, should be able to feed, house & cloth themselves without government hand outs, if an employer cannot afford to pay a living wage they shouldnt be in business.
Something like Barwork has always been poorly paid as it does not require a great deal of specialist skill. I've done barwork, it's busy hard work but not difficult. So why should a pub pay someone £10 or £15 an hour for unskilled labour? Never going to happen with good reason. If you want to pay your rent/mortgage and feed your family etc then your need to get a higher paid job. Tha's the way it's always been. There is a job for all sorts of people, those that make do with a minimum wage job and those who choose to advance a career through further education to get a higher paid job. Just be thankful there is a minimum wage.
[quote][p][bold]portland rebel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]did you not mean to say a decent employer rather than a decent job, or do you suffer with the 21st century epidemic (greed), do you not think that someone working 40hrs a week, should be able to feed, house & cloth themselves without government hand outs, if an employer cannot afford to pay a living wage they shouldnt be in business.[/p][/quote]Something like Barwork has always been poorly paid as it does not require a great deal of specialist skill. I've done barwork, it's busy hard work but not difficult. So why should a pub pay someone £10 or £15 an hour for unskilled labour? Never going to happen with good reason. If you want to pay your rent/mortgage and feed your family etc then your need to get a higher paid job. Tha's the way it's always been. There is a job for all sorts of people, those that make do with a minimum wage job and those who choose to advance a career through further education to get a higher paid job. Just be thankful there is a minimum wage. Dorset stuff
  • Score: 5

4:37pm Tue 1 Apr 14

slayerofsacredcows says...

The situation is crazy. The Government has to top up the minimum wage, if the low paid workers need benefits. The International Company then offshores the profit, but pays no tax because he fiddles the transfer prices.
If the minimum wage equalled the living wage, then less would be paid out in benefits. Then either the price of the coffee or burger has to go up, yielding more VAT. Or if the customer won't pay more, then the International company has less profit to offshore. WIN WIN.
However this doesn't deal with minimum hours contracts and unfair split shifts.
The situation is crazy. The Government has to top up the minimum wage, if the low paid workers need benefits. The International Company then offshores the profit, but pays no tax because he fiddles the transfer prices. If the minimum wage equalled the living wage, then less would be paid out in benefits. Then either the price of the coffee or burger has to go up, yielding more VAT. Or if the customer won't pay more, then the International company has less profit to offshore. WIN WIN. However this doesn't deal with minimum hours contracts and unfair split shifts. slayerofsacredcows
  • Score: 8

4:38pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Seb Baker says...

Those of you making the point that employment is "just a market" - and that those who are low-paid should simply find a better job, are missing the point that there are MORE low-paid jobs now. The proportion of new jobs that are low-skilled and therefore low-paid is worrying, and this is pushing everyone's chances of "getting on" downward. The UK needs to become more competitive in the knowledge and technological industries, and our business and skills infrastructure need more investment - and not just in London and the South East. We don't just need more jobs, we need BETTER jobs - with full hours available for those that want it, and at levels of pay that can support a family. I'm afraid that this government's attempts to get unemployed people "off the books" with any job - no matter how part-time or poorly paid - rather than creating meaningful investment in industries and enterprise are unlikely to solve the structural problems in the UK economy; and my confidence in our own local MP to do much to create better jobs in Weymouth is even lower.
Those of you making the point that employment is "just a market" - and that those who are low-paid should simply find a better job, are missing the point that there are MORE low-paid jobs now. The proportion of new jobs that are low-skilled and therefore low-paid is worrying, and this is pushing everyone's chances of "getting on" downward. The UK needs to become more competitive in the knowledge and technological industries, and our business and skills infrastructure need more investment - and not just in London and the South East. We don't just need more jobs, we need BETTER jobs - with full hours available for those that want it, and at levels of pay that can support a family. I'm afraid that this government's attempts to get unemployed people "off the books" with any job - no matter how part-time or poorly paid - rather than creating meaningful investment in industries and enterprise are unlikely to solve the structural problems in the UK economy; and my confidence in our own local MP to do much to create better jobs in Weymouth is even lower. Seb Baker
  • Score: 9

6:15pm Tue 1 Apr 14

PHonnor says...

Minimum wage should not be used as a figure employers who make huge profits can get away with paying, problem being is its become the accepted norm.
Minimum wage should not be used as a figure employers who make huge profits can get away with paying, problem being is its become the accepted norm. PHonnor
  • Score: 11

8:07pm Tue 1 Apr 14

cj07589 says...

How about tax cuts for tag lowest payed save billions wasted annually on government red tape and EU nonsense, low tax economy's are proven to work.
How about tax cuts for tag lowest payed save billions wasted annually on government red tape and EU nonsense, low tax economy's are proven to work. cj07589
  • Score: 2

9:03pm Tue 1 Apr 14

trymybest says...

Why can't we have minimal hours per week, 35 hours per week is a fair starting point, as well as minimal wage or better, most shops are open from 6 to 11 six day aweek 17 hours a day so why are the poor shop workers over looked by everyone included their own so called union USDAW, sad thing is most new start are offered 10 hour contracts plus overtime.
Why can't we have minimal hours per week, 35 hours per week is a fair starting point, as well as minimal wage or better, most shops are open from 6 to 11 six day aweek 17 hours a day so why are the poor shop workers over looked by everyone included their own so called union USDAW, sad thing is most new start are offered 10 hour contracts plus overtime. trymybest
  • Score: 4

9:26pm Tue 1 Apr 14

ksmain says...

IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly.

Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.
[quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly. Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument. ksmain
  • Score: 0

8:36am Wed 2 Apr 14

IslandJim1 says...

ksmain wrote:
IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly.

Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.
My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time!
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly. Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time! IslandJim1
  • Score: 4

10:51pm Wed 2 Apr 14

siriem says...

IslandJim1 wrote:
ksmain wrote:
IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly.

Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.
My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time!
It's a good job apostrophes are free, otherwise you'd be broke even with 2 wages coming in!
I'm a grammar nazi - can't help myself - but I fully agree with you by the way.
[quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly. Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time![/p][/quote]It's a good job apostrophes are free, otherwise you'd be broke even with 2 wages coming in! I'm a grammar nazi - can't help myself - but I fully agree with you by the way. siriem
  • Score: 0

8:19am Thu 3 Apr 14

IslandJim1 says...

siriem wrote:
IslandJim1 wrote:
ksmain wrote:
IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly.

Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.
My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time!
It's a good job apostrophes are free, otherwise you'd be broke even with 2 wages coming in!
I'm a grammar nazi - can't help myself - but I fully agree with you by the way.
Thank you for the heads up, unfortunately its not something my spell check picks up. Spelling and grammar are my down fall, as I've had to point out many times its due to a well known condition. But hey, life goes on. I'm sure in regards to the above story many people use the same situation to try and justify their short comings in life. I personally keep it quiet, I can't stand being "labelled". I'm glad your in agreement, as my parents still quote "Want does not get, because its not what you need!". Your's, a hopefully thoroughly spell and grammar checked writer.
[quote][p][bold]siriem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly. Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time![/p][/quote]It's a good job apostrophes are free, otherwise you'd be broke even with 2 wages coming in! I'm a grammar nazi - can't help myself - but I fully agree with you by the way.[/p][/quote]Thank you for the heads up, unfortunately its not something my spell check picks up. Spelling and grammar are my down fall, as I've had to point out many times its due to a well known condition. But hey, life goes on. I'm sure in regards to the above story many people use the same situation to try and justify their short comings in life. I personally keep it quiet, I can't stand being "labelled". I'm glad your in agreement, as my parents still quote "Want does not get, because its not what you need!". Your's, a hopefully thoroughly spell and grammar checked writer. IslandJim1
  • Score: 4

10:05am Sat 5 Apr 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

IslandJim1 wrote:
ksmain wrote:
IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly.

Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.
My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time!
All excellent points Islandjim. Probably why i have no debts too, I don't follow the new world party line. We seem to be at a most peculiar time in social history?

It is as if Corporate and communism have blended into a bas**rd child to produce this generation, the next too I suspect.

Human Batteries with no individual thought.
[quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]This is half the problem and I think also why immigrants come here are get jobs as they are more willing to work even at lower wages. It is all about competing as a business as well and maybe to do that the wages are pitched accordingly. Also what is a living wage? To me it is a person who cannot fund the basics - cheap accommodation, food and clothes. I don't count a TV, car, phone, computer, washing machine, etc in that - these are luxury goods, affordable with a better wage. Problem is that what is one person's living wage can be another person's comfortable wage and you would likely get a different response from several different people. How then can you define it properly to construct an argument.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. I earn a good wage for the area, so does my partner. We pay our mortgage , run two economical hatchback's, can put away into a savings account and generally don't have to worry about money. What we don't do is have new phone's and ipads every 6 month's, go abroad every year, eat out/buy in takeaways on a double weekly basis, have a big night out every weekend...I'm not saying every person with money worries live's beyond there means, but I guarantee a vast majority (especially younger people) do...add in sky, broadband, netflicks, phone app's, new cloths/shoe's every week, tattoo's, smoking, magazines, cinema, unnecessary expensive car's (why do so many 18 year old drive massive 90's BMW's), store and credit cards ext ext and you have your own financial mess. A LIVING wage is alot less than this article make's out, that is once to get ride of all the crap you don't need at that point in time![/p][/quote]All excellent points Islandjim. Probably why i have no debts too, I don't follow the new world party line. We seem to be at a most peculiar time in social history? It is as if Corporate and communism have blended into a bas**rd child to produce this generation, the next too I suspect. Human Batteries with no individual thought. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 7

10:09am Sat 5 Apr 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

" I'm a grammar nazi - can't help myself - but I fully agree with you by the way."

So why the dashes in this sentence and lack of a capital letter? :-)
" I'm a grammar nazi - can't help myself - but I fully agree with you by the way." So why the dashes in this sentence and lack of a capital letter? :-) Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: 2

5:55pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
This is a very short sighted response. The only 'decent' jobs available in this area belong to those lucky enough to be well connected in the public sector or those with the moxy to run a business like building or cleaning etc.
I'd really love to know what you do for a living?
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]This is a very short sighted response. The only 'decent' jobs available in this area belong to those lucky enough to be well connected in the public sector or those with the moxy to run a business like building or cleaning etc. I'd really love to know what you do for a living? Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: 1

4:37pm Mon 7 Apr 14

February1948 says...

Seb Baker wrote:
Those of you making the point that employment is "just a market" - and that those who are low-paid should simply find a better job, are missing the point that there are MORE low-paid jobs now. The proportion of new jobs that are low-skilled and therefore low-paid is worrying, and this is pushing everyone's chances of "getting on" downward. The UK needs to become more competitive in the knowledge and technological industries, and our business and skills infrastructure need more investment - and not just in London and the South East. We don't just need more jobs, we need BETTER jobs - with full hours available for those that want it, and at levels of pay that can support a family. I'm afraid that this government's attempts to get unemployed people "off the books" with any job - no matter how part-time or poorly paid - rather than creating meaningful investment in industries and enterprise are unlikely to solve the structural problems in the UK economy; and my confidence in our own local MP to do much to create better jobs in Weymouth is even lower.
You are quite right, Seb Baker, but it all comes back to the low standards of education in the state sector over many decades. Children are now being taught by teachers who were themselves badly taught. What the UK needs are people with skills, real skills, not airy-fairy "degrees" from pseudo-universities. So many young people through no fault of their own, leave school without any basic skills such as changing a plug! The only way to rectify this sorry state is to go back to grammar schools and technical colleges; there's nothing wrong with selection. It sorts out those who want to become academics and those who would bring their technical and/or manual skills to the country. Perhaps we would then have the better jobs. And don't forget that some of those who are doing "bar work" are not doing so from choice, but because there is nothing else on offer and desperately want to better themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Seb Baker[/bold] wrote: Those of you making the point that employment is "just a market" - and that those who are low-paid should simply find a better job, are missing the point that there are MORE low-paid jobs now. The proportion of new jobs that are low-skilled and therefore low-paid is worrying, and this is pushing everyone's chances of "getting on" downward. The UK needs to become more competitive in the knowledge and technological industries, and our business and skills infrastructure need more investment - and not just in London and the South East. We don't just need more jobs, we need BETTER jobs - with full hours available for those that want it, and at levels of pay that can support a family. I'm afraid that this government's attempts to get unemployed people "off the books" with any job - no matter how part-time or poorly paid - rather than creating meaningful investment in industries and enterprise are unlikely to solve the structural problems in the UK economy; and my confidence in our own local MP to do much to create better jobs in Weymouth is even lower.[/p][/quote]You are quite right, Seb Baker, but it all comes back to the low standards of education in the state sector over many decades. Children are now being taught by teachers who were themselves badly taught. What the UK needs are people with skills, real skills, not airy-fairy "degrees" from pseudo-universities. So many young people through no fault of their own, leave school without any basic skills such as changing a plug! The only way to rectify this sorry state is to go back to grammar schools and technical colleges; there's nothing wrong with selection. It sorts out those who want to become academics and those who would bring their technical and/or manual skills to the country. Perhaps we would then have the better jobs. And don't forget that some of those who are doing "bar work" are not doing so from choice, but because there is nothing else on offer and desperately want to better themselves. February1948
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

IslandJim1 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.
I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink!
Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap!
In England we have a work culture where everybody looks down their nose at everybody else. There is absolutely no mutual respect. The thing that causes this is capitalism. There is a lot of sense in incentivising people to do better. There is no sense in making a huge swathe of people feel hopeless.
Trying to simplify employment by saying that a job is related to the unit cost of the product is nonsense. On that basis you could say that builders should be much better paid than doctors. How do you quantify what an artist does then?
[quote][p][bold]IslandJim1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: Some jobs only require the minimum wage. If you want to earn a decent wage get a decent job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. The echo ran an almost identical storey last week peddling the same thing. Why should a bar worker in Weymouth get paid more, the only qualification required is being 18, so there is no shortage of people able to carry out the same role. Skill x availability = pay, this has always been the way it goes, so why are people still surprised when they choose a KNOWN low paid profession that they aren't going to see any great financial reward. I was a barman at 18, as a stop gap while I finished college, to get a job that I knew would allow me to progress financially, I hope the 19 year old lad quoted is doing the same. BTW his pay is capped by how much you are whiling to pay for a pint, so moan all you want about minimum wage, but I've heard you moan louder when the government add's 1p tax to a drink! Portland Rebel, it has nothing to do with greed, its about putting the hard work in to better your prospects, not just hoping something amazing will fall in your lap![/p][/quote]In England we have a work culture where everybody looks down their nose at everybody else. There is absolutely no mutual respect. The thing that causes this is capitalism. There is a lot of sense in incentivising people to do better. There is no sense in making a huge swathe of people feel hopeless. Trying to simplify employment by saying that a job is related to the unit cost of the product is nonsense. On that basis you could say that builders should be much better paid than doctors. How do you quantify what an artist does then? Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: 0

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