Vandals wreck popular wildlife centre

ATTACKS: Michelle Williams at Radipole RSPB centre

ATTACKS: Michelle Williams at Radipole RSPB centre

First published in News Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Reporter

‘MINDLESS’ vandals are being hunted after a spate of criminal damage at a popular wildlife spot in Weymouth.

Dorset Police are investigating and CCTV is being looked at after vandals targeted the RSPB Discovery Centre at Radipole Lake three times in a week.

Patrols around the reserve have been stepped up in a bid to prevent further attacks.

Staff said they don’t know if it’s the same person or a group targeting them each time.

In the first incident, the centre’s ‘bug hotel’, an educational resource, was smashed up. This was followed two days later by a raid when more damage was caused including bottles left for recycling being smashed, leaving the patio area covered in glass. Two days after that, a small fire was started in a reed bed at the lake.

Michelle Williams, centre manager for the Wild Weymouth Discovery Centre said staff worked hard to create a facility for both families and traditional bird watchers and a lot of what had been damaged had been created by local people.

She said: “On the Friday night, that was the worst lot. They’d been out on to the patio area and ripped off the gate to the pond dipping platform.

“They overturned all the recycling equipment and smashed the bottles over the patio.”

She added: “It was a real mess really.

“It’s mindless vandalism.”

The recent spate of crimes has meant that additional security measures are being looked into.

Mrs Williams said: “We are working closely with police to identify the culprits. CCTV footage from cameras in the area are being checked.”

The centre will also be looking to get CCTV or covert cameras on the reserve.

Mrs Williams said: “We will be stepping up patrols and would ask all members of the public to be vigilant and report any suspicious activity around the lake area to Dorset Police.”

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2:06pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Did they have CCTV?
Did they have CCTV? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 3

2:10pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact.
..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 5

2:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

H2o-hara says...

If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .
If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered . H2o-hara
  • Score: 9

2:28pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

H2o-hara wrote:
If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .
Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did.

Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be.
[quote][p][bold]H2o-hara[/bold] wrote: If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .[/p][/quote]Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did. Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 10

5:23pm Sat 12 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
H2o-hara wrote:
If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .
Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did.

Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be.
So what's would you suggest?
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]H2o-hara[/bold] wrote: If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .[/p][/quote]Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did. Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be.[/p][/quote]So what's would you suggest? JackJohnson
  • Score: -1

5:38pm Sat 12 Apr 14

westbaywonder says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
H2o-hara wrote:
If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .
Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did.

Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be.
So what's would you suggest?
A bloody good beating from day one and taught to have respect for other people,their property and your enviroment as we were!
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]H2o-hara[/bold] wrote: If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .[/p][/quote]Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did. Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be.[/p][/quote]So what's would you suggest?[/p][/quote]A bloody good beating from day one and taught to have respect for other people,their property and your enviroment as we were! westbaywonder
  • Score: 9

6:39pm Sat 12 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

westbaywonder wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
H2o-hara wrote:
If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .
Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did.

Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be.
So what's would you suggest?
A bloody good beating from day one and taught to have respect for other people,their property and your enviroment as we were!
My idea? Prison fails because no-one with criminal tendencies fears it

1st sentence: 'Soft' prison. 1st and only attempt at rehab. Include an introduction to what will happen next time.
2nd sentence: Hard prison with a time limited sentence. No more Mr Nice Guy. Knock some real fear of prison into them.
3rd sentence: Hard prison with no way out. For life regardless of offence. Life will be short.
[quote][p][bold]westbaywonder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]H2o-hara[/bold] wrote: If ever caught then make them do the repairs as well as name and shame them . As I don't suppose a prison sentence is going to even be considered .[/p][/quote]Well the shaming bit I don't think works, partly because many of these troubled "youth" have no shame and consider it "cred" being in the paper for wrong-doing, but I certainly agree with them being made to repair ( or labour for someone qualified doing it) and pay for the repairs themselves, then be made to do other civil work as the penalty above the damage they did. Prison is a complete failure for 99% of peoples rehabilitation, has been for centuries and always will be.[/p][/quote]So what's would you suggest?[/p][/quote]A bloody good beating from day one and taught to have respect for other people,their property and your enviroment as we were![/p][/quote]My idea? Prison fails because no-one with criminal tendencies fears it 1st sentence: 'Soft' prison. 1st and only attempt at rehab. Include an introduction to what will happen next time. 2nd sentence: Hard prison with a time limited sentence. No more Mr Nice Guy. Knock some real fear of prison into them. 3rd sentence: Hard prison with no way out. For life regardless of offence. Life will be short. JackJohnson
  • Score: -2

6:55pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Rocksalt says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact.
How.much would it cost ? To what extent would it deter vandals if it wasn't being 'live monitored ? And I suspect.that imcreases the cost exponentially. It's not difficult to cover your face and wear clothing without identifiable features. The streets of London, Manchester etc were all covered by cctv during the 2011 riots. Many people were identified and caught - most weren't.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: ..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact.[/p][/quote]How.much would it cost ? To what extent would it deter vandals if it wasn't being 'live monitored ? And I suspect.that imcreases the cost exponentially. It's not difficult to cover your face and wear clothing without identifiable features. The streets of London, Manchester etc were all covered by cctv during the 2011 riots. Many people were identified and caught - most weren't. Rocksalt
  • Score: -3

6:56pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Rocksalt says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact.
How.much would it cost ? To what extent would it deter vandals if it wasn't being 'live monitored ? And I suspect.that imcreases the cost exponentially. It's not difficult to cover your face and wear clothing without identifiable features. The streets of London, Manchester etc were all covered by cctv during the 2011 riots. Many people were identified and caught - most weren't.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: ..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact.[/p][/quote]How.much would it cost ? To what extent would it deter vandals if it wasn't being 'live monitored ? And I suspect.that imcreases the cost exponentially. It's not difficult to cover your face and wear clothing without identifiable features. The streets of London, Manchester etc were all covered by cctv during the 2011 riots. Many people were identified and caught - most weren't. Rocksalt
  • Score: -3

7:25pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Bring back the fkicnug BIRCH !! It might wake up some of these worthless parents, too, to see what their years of neglect have resulted in for their totally lowlife offspring. In public, shirt off, handcuffed to a board set at 45 degrees slope, with a big notice showing perp's name, address, age and offense. Pictures of the flogging featured in local paper !! Burly prison warder lays into his exposed back with a handful of thick, coarse, Birch twigs until the blood runs freely. Then salt is rubbed in. Perp is then told to put his shirt back on and run home to mamma, with the warning not to appear again before the court, or he won't get such kindly treatment in future.
THIS was how people were taught respect in Pappa's day - and it was still possible to get this punishment until recently on the Isle of Man, until they, too, went all soft on perps. They didn't HAVE much crime on the Isle of Man....
Bring back the fkicnug BIRCH !! It might wake up some of these worthless parents, too, to see what their years of neglect have resulted in for their totally lowlife offspring. In public, shirt off, handcuffed to a board set at 45 degrees slope, with a big notice showing perp's name, address, age and offense. Pictures of the flogging featured in local paper !! Burly prison warder lays into his exposed back with a handful of thick, coarse, Birch twigs until the blood runs freely. Then salt is rubbed in. Perp is then told to put his shirt back on and run home to mamma, with the warning not to appear again before the court, or he won't get such kindly treatment in future. THIS was how people were taught respect in Pappa's day - and it was still possible to get this punishment until recently on the Isle of Man, until they, too, went all soft on perps. They didn't HAVE much crime on the Isle of Man.... Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -2

9:51pm Sat 12 Apr 14

connie68 says...

And I expect they all are related to each other on the Isle of Man too!
And I expect they all are related to each other on the Isle of Man too! connie68
  • Score: -5

1:42am Sun 13 Apr 14

westbaywonder says...

connie68 wrote:
And I expect they all are related to each other on the Isle of Man too!
A little like various towns and villages in Dorset then.
[quote][p][bold]connie68[/bold] wrote: And I expect they all are related to each other on the Isle of Man too![/p][/quote]A little like various towns and villages in Dorset then. westbaywonder
  • Score: -2

11:15am Sun 13 Apr 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Rocksalt wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact.
How.much would it cost ? To what extent would it deter vandals if it wasn't being 'live monitored ? And I suspect.that imcreases the cost exponentially. It's not difficult to cover your face and wear clothing without identifiable features. The streets of London, Manchester etc were all covered by cctv during the 2011 riots. Many people were identified and caught - most weren't.
How much is that thatch roof? CCTV today is very very cheap compared to what it used to be, especially with I.P based camera systems.

With such systems and in such a location an alert notification built into nearly ever IP camera/system today can alert someone to something going on without the need for 24/7 live monitoring ( providing it is setup correctly) and of course capture the event on it's internal memory or connected storage system. They can even send the initial section of video showing what activated the camera off to a third party location securing it in case of theft of the entire system. Even if no land line/Internet is available a full sufficient 3G/4G setup can be done for as little as £15 a month currently using a PAYG AYCE package or contract.

There really is no excuse these days not to include CCTV in budgets, especially in vulnerable locations such as this, It is worth it and your insurance may be better off for it too.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: ..oh they didn't.. How many time have I said that people must get it . It costs so very little these days. Security is the last thing people want to spend money on but the first thing they say , "Doh !" about after the fact.[/p][/quote]How.much would it cost ? To what extent would it deter vandals if it wasn't being 'live monitored ? And I suspect.that imcreases the cost exponentially. It's not difficult to cover your face and wear clothing without identifiable features. The streets of London, Manchester etc were all covered by cctv during the 2011 riots. Many people were identified and caught - most weren't.[/p][/quote]How much is that thatch roof? CCTV today is very very cheap compared to what it used to be, especially with I.P based camera systems. With such systems and in such a location an alert notification built into nearly ever IP camera/system today can alert someone to something going on without the need for 24/7 live monitoring ( providing it is setup correctly) and of course capture the event on it's internal memory or connected storage system. They can even send the initial section of video showing what activated the camera off to a third party location securing it in case of theft of the entire system. Even if no land line/Internet is available a full sufficient 3G/4G setup can be done for as little as £15 a month currently using a PAYG AYCE package or contract. There really is no excuse these days not to include CCTV in budgets, especially in vulnerable locations such as this, It is worth it and your insurance may be better off for it too. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 4

5:39pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

http://www.corpun.co
m/imju6109.htm
http://www.corpun.co m/imju6109.htm Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -1

12:06pm Mon 14 Apr 14

February1948 says...

As has been mentioned in this thread, I believe the ONLY way is to make these named idiots (if they are ever found) do all the repair work themselves, pay for it all themselves, pay for the costs of those overseeing their work, and put it all on camera to be shown on the Internet. And put them in bright orange boiler suits with "I am without a brain" in big bold letters on the back!
Beating them won't do any good at all. They would proudly walk around the town showing off their bruises!
As has been mentioned in this thread, I believe the ONLY way is to make these named idiots (if they are ever found) do all the repair work themselves, pay for it all themselves, pay for the costs of those overseeing their work, and put it all on camera to be shown on the Internet. And put them in bright orange boiler suits with "I am without a brain" in big bold letters on the back! Beating them won't do any good at all. They would proudly walk around the town showing off their bruises! February1948
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

You could well have a good point there, February 1948 - although of course, we must remember that ignorance and a general lack of culture is seen as something of a virtue among the semi-educated young, and not a few stumblebum adults, too!! Hence we get the speech forms more appropriate to the gutter lowlife of the East End: *'i'is*, *see ya lay'ah !!" and *maw-eh waw-eff*, to give but a few daily examples one hears. With such a mindset, public shame would be deemed a great accolade, perceived among the less intellectually-endow
ed as enhancing their already somewhat dubious *street-cred*..
You could well have a good point there, February 1948 - although of course, we must remember that ignorance and a general lack of culture is seen as something of a virtue among the semi-educated young, and not a few stumblebum adults, too!! Hence we get the speech forms more appropriate to the gutter lowlife of the East End: *'i'is*, *see ya lay'ah !!" and *maw-eh waw-eff*, to give but a few daily examples one hears. With such a mindset, public shame would be deemed a great accolade, perceived among the less intellectually-endow ed as enhancing their already somewhat dubious *street-cred*.. Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Mon 14 Apr 14

oldbrock says...

February1948 wrote:
As has been mentioned in this thread, I believe the ONLY way is to make these named idiots (if they are ever found) do all the repair work themselves, pay for it all themselves, pay for the costs of those overseeing their work, and put it all on camera to be shown on the Internet. And put them in bright orange boiler suits with "I am without a brain" in big bold letters on the back!
Beating them won't do any good at all. They would proudly walk around the town showing off their bruises!
make them walk across a few yards of broken glass, they wont be able to walk about showing off ANYTHING
[quote][p][bold]February1948[/bold] wrote: As has been mentioned in this thread, I believe the ONLY way is to make these named idiots (if they are ever found) do all the repair work themselves, pay for it all themselves, pay for the costs of those overseeing their work, and put it all on camera to be shown on the Internet. And put them in bright orange boiler suits with "I am without a brain" in big bold letters on the back! Beating them won't do any good at all. They would proudly walk around the town showing off their bruises![/p][/quote]make them walk across a few yards of broken glass, they wont be able to walk about showing off ANYTHING oldbrock
  • Score: -1

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