Carer jailed over attempt to steal £8,000 from 96-year-old

Michael Frampton

Michael Frampton

First published in News

A CARER who attempted to steal £8,000 from a man in his 90s has been jailed.

Michael Frampton, 26, was branded ‘reprehensible’ as he was sentenced at Dorchester Crown Court for offences of theft and fraud by false representation.

Carolyn Branford-Wood, prosecuting, told the court that the victim was 96 at the time of the offence and is now 97.

She said that the elderly man, who lived in Weymouth, had been receiving care in his home from a local company since March last year.

On July 10 he received a call from his bank asking if he had written a cheque for £8,000.

When he denied having written such a cheque the police were contacted and it was found a cheque was missing from a chequebook in a bureau in the victim’s hallway.

Frampton, of Cecil Street, Yeovil, was arrested at his home on February 10 and immediately admitted taking the cheque from the victim’s home when he was there in his role as a carer and attempting to pay it into his partner’s account two weeks later.

He insisted his partner knew nothing of the incident.

Miss Branford-Wood said the event had a lasting impact on the victim and caused him to feel unsafe in his own home, to the extent that he had now moved into residential care.

She added: “He placed his entire trust in the carers.”

David Freeland, mitigating, said that Frampton was a man of previous good character who had experienced a difficult time in the build up to the offence, with family bereavements and illness of family members.

He said his client had built up debts and had committed the offence on impulse but had immediately realised what he had done was wrong.

Mr Freeland said: “He’s extremely remorseful.

“He says he feels horrible that he made the victim feel the way that he does and he is deeply ashamed of those actions.”

Judge Roger Jarvis sentenced Frampton to a total of 12 months in prison for the two offences.

He said one of the concerning features of the case was that not only had Frampton stolen the chequebook in a moment of impulse, but some time later he had gone on to fraudulently write out the cheque.

• CHIEF officer at Age UK Dorchester Di Lawrence said she was ‘shocked and disgusted’ to hear of Frampton’s offending.

She added: “We see so much of this. Most people are honest but there is a handful of people who are not.

“It’s horrible because it just means older people tend not to trust anyone or they leave themselves wide open.”

Mrs Lawrence said she would urge anyone inviting carers into their home to make sure they have undergone all the necessary checks, but said even that sadly does not protect people completely.

She said: “Even then it is quite difficult because people who seem straightforward can turn out not to be.”

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10:33am Sat 26 Apr 14

JamesYoung says...

"He immediately realised what he had done was wrong".
No, sorry, he didn't. At any point in the two weeks between stealing the cheque and paying it into his partner's bank account, he could have returned it or torn it up, nobody would have been any the wiser and even if they were, he'd have been respected for doing the right thing. I suspect the realisation was "oh, i've been caught".
It's about time these people were sent down for a lot, lot longer as a deterrent to others.
"He immediately realised what he had done was wrong". No, sorry, he didn't. At any point in the two weeks between stealing the cheque and paying it into his partner's bank account, he could have returned it or torn it up, nobody would have been any the wiser and even if they were, he'd have been respected for doing the right thing. I suspect the realisation was "oh, i've been caught". It's about time these people were sent down for a lot, lot longer as a deterrent to others. JamesYoung
  • Score: 44

12:01pm Sat 26 Apr 14

anika says...

shame the banks aren't more vigilant when an elderly person is withdrawing a large amount of cash - if they had been maybe those two elderly people who were recently scammed would still have their money. Some banks are good and some are not.

I know everyone can't do this but we always made sure we were in the house when a carer visited. Just too tempting for some.
shame the banks aren't more vigilant when an elderly person is withdrawing a large amount of cash - if they had been maybe those two elderly people who were recently scammed would still have their money. Some banks are good and some are not. I know everyone can't do this but we always made sure we were in the house when a carer visited. Just too tempting for some. anika
  • Score: 17

1:15pm Sat 26 Apr 14

portland maid says...

what an abhorrent LITTLE man. Disgusting behaviour, & repentant ? hardly. so of the 12 months he will probs do 6, it would have taken him years to save that up the proper way - that should be his sentence time. This was no punishment at all.
what an abhorrent LITTLE man. Disgusting behaviour, & repentant ? hardly. so of the 12 months he will probs do 6, it would have taken him years to save that up the proper way - that should be his sentence time. This was no punishment at all. portland maid
  • Score: 19

3:08pm Sat 26 Apr 14

lilbug says...

Disgrace to all!! I am a carer and money is tight but that is just too far, our clients put faith and all their trust in us and when one carer does something like that it gives us all a bad name and other clients start to question our trust too.. I really hope his is also made to pay it back or the sentence is pointless and hes learn sod all..
Disgrace to all!! I am a carer and money is tight but that is just too far, our clients put faith and all their trust in us and when one carer does something like that it gives us all a bad name and other clients start to question our trust too.. I really hope his is also made to pay it back or the sentence is pointless and hes learn sod all.. lilbug
  • Score: 18

4:49pm Sat 26 Apr 14

DignifiedAlsatian says...

anika wrote:
shame the banks aren't more vigilant when an elderly person is withdrawing a large amount of cash - if they had been maybe those two elderly people who were recently scammed would still have their money. Some banks are good and some are not.

I know everyone can't do this but we always made sure we were in the house when a carer visited. Just too tempting for some.
Why bother getting a carer if you're able to be there all the time? Why not look after the elderly relative yourself?
[quote][p][bold]anika[/bold] wrote: shame the banks aren't more vigilant when an elderly person is withdrawing a large amount of cash - if they had been maybe those two elderly people who were recently scammed would still have their money. Some banks are good and some are not. I know everyone can't do this but we always made sure we were in the house when a carer visited. Just too tempting for some.[/p][/quote]Why bother getting a carer if you're able to be there all the time? Why not look after the elderly relative yourself? DignifiedAlsatian
  • Score: -10

5:04pm Sat 26 Apr 14

oldbrock says...

pathetic idiot, the old facebranding and one hand smashed with a lump hammer would be a right and proper treatment for this piece of rubbish BUT our caring society cares more for his rights than any of us who TRY to be law abiding, we get the society do-gooders foist on us
pathetic idiot, the old facebranding and one hand smashed with a lump hammer would be a right and proper treatment for this piece of rubbish BUT our caring society cares more for his rights than any of us who TRY to be law abiding, we get the society do-gooders foist on us oldbrock
  • Score: 7

7:23pm Sat 26 Apr 14

anika says...

DignifiedAlsatian wrote:
anika wrote:
shame the banks aren't more vigilant when an elderly person is withdrawing a large amount of cash - if they had been maybe those two elderly people who were recently scammed would still have their money. Some banks are good and some are not.

I know everyone can't do this but we always made sure we were in the house when a carer visited. Just too tempting for some.
Why bother getting a carer if you're able to be there all the time? Why not look after the elderly relative yourself?
You clearly have never been in the position of looking after a relative 24 hours a day. One person cannot do it on their own - it took me and 2 (yes 2) carers. Don't judge if you don't know what you're talking about.
[quote][p][bold]DignifiedAlsatian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anika[/bold] wrote: shame the banks aren't more vigilant when an elderly person is withdrawing a large amount of cash - if they had been maybe those two elderly people who were recently scammed would still have their money. Some banks are good and some are not. I know everyone can't do this but we always made sure we were in the house when a carer visited. Just too tempting for some.[/p][/quote]Why bother getting a carer if you're able to be there all the time? Why not look after the elderly relative yourself?[/p][/quote]You clearly have never been in the position of looking after a relative 24 hours a day. One person cannot do it on their own - it took me and 2 (yes 2) carers. Don't judge if you don't know what you're talking about. anika
  • Score: 12

8:57pm Sat 26 Apr 14

1967 says...

this man is a wonderful husband to a wife who is very ill and a brilliant dad,to 2 young boys one of which has a heart condition, he made one mistake and the people who love him and no his reasons understand why he tried to do it!! he never got any money from his action just attempted it for the sake of his family a desperate action and totally out of character,but as it has involved a pensioner he has been made an example of and will pay the price for the rest of his life, but like I said his loved ones no him and just because he made a mistake it doesn't make him a bad person! so to all those people who judge and are obviously perfect and have never done anything wrong in their lives carry on!!
this man is a wonderful husband to a wife who is very ill and a brilliant dad,to 2 young boys one of which has a heart condition, he made one mistake and the people who love him and no his reasons understand why he tried to do it!! he never got any money from his action just attempted it for the sake of his family a desperate action and totally out of character,but as it has involved a pensioner he has been made an example of and will pay the price for the rest of his life, but like I said his loved ones no him and just because he made a mistake it doesn't make him a bad person! so to all those people who judge and are obviously perfect and have never done anything wrong in their lives carry on!! 1967
  • Score: -30

9:20pm Sat 26 Apr 14

connie68 says...

1967 wrote:
this man is a wonderful husband to a wife who is very ill and a brilliant dad,to 2 young boys one of which has a heart condition, he made one mistake and the people who love him and no his reasons understand why he tried to do it!! he never got any money from his action just attempted it for the sake of his family a desperate action and totally out of character,but as it has involved a pensioner he has been made an example of and will pay the price for the rest of his life, but like I said his loved ones no him and just because he made a mistake it doesn't make him a bad person! so to all those people who judge and are obviously perfect and have never done anything wrong in their lives carry on!!
He may be a wonderful husband and a brilliant father, but when someone puts their total trust in you to be able to care for then, you do NOT treat anyone with the utter disgrace that he did, to have the audacity to take his cheque book, write a cheque for £8000 is beyond being a wonderful person. This poor man now has lost all trust in people in his final years here so much so he is scared and unsafe in his own home, and having to be cared for residentially.
Totally disgusting in my eyes, well done the bank too.
[quote][p][bold]1967[/bold] wrote: this man is a wonderful husband to a wife who is very ill and a brilliant dad,to 2 young boys one of which has a heart condition, he made one mistake and the people who love him and no his reasons understand why he tried to do it!! he never got any money from his action just attempted it for the sake of his family a desperate action and totally out of character,but as it has involved a pensioner he has been made an example of and will pay the price for the rest of his life, but like I said his loved ones no him and just because he made a mistake it doesn't make him a bad person! so to all those people who judge and are obviously perfect and have never done anything wrong in their lives carry on!![/p][/quote]He may be a wonderful husband and a brilliant father, but when someone puts their total trust in you to be able to care for then, you do NOT treat anyone with the utter disgrace that he did, to have the audacity to take his cheque book, write a cheque for £8000 is beyond being a wonderful person. This poor man now has lost all trust in people in his final years here so much so he is scared and unsafe in his own home, and having to be cared for residentially. Totally disgusting in my eyes, well done the bank too. connie68
  • Score: 43

9:36pm Sat 26 Apr 14

1967 says...

connie68 wrote:
1967 wrote:
this man is a wonderful husband to a wife who is very ill and a brilliant dad,to 2 young boys one of which has a heart condition, he made one mistake and the people who love him and no his reasons understand why he tried to do it!! he never got any money from his action just attempted it for the sake of his family a desperate action and totally out of character,but as it has involved a pensioner he has been made an example of and will pay the price for the rest of his life, but like I said his loved ones no him and just because he made a mistake it doesn't make him a bad person! so to all those people who judge and are obviously perfect and have never done anything wrong in their lives carry on!!
He may be a wonderful husband and a brilliant father, but when someone puts their total trust in you to be able to care for then, you do NOT treat anyone with the utter disgrace that he did, to have the audacity to take his cheque book, write a cheque for £8000 is beyond being a wonderful person. This poor man now has lost all trust in people in his final years here so much so he is scared and unsafe in his own home, and having to be cared for residentially.
Totally disgusting in my eyes, well done the bank too.
ALL ENTITLED TO OUR OPINIONS!
[quote][p][bold]connie68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1967[/bold] wrote: this man is a wonderful husband to a wife who is very ill and a brilliant dad,to 2 young boys one of which has a heart condition, he made one mistake and the people who love him and no his reasons understand why he tried to do it!! he never got any money from his action just attempted it for the sake of his family a desperate action and totally out of character,but as it has involved a pensioner he has been made an example of and will pay the price for the rest of his life, but like I said his loved ones no him and just because he made a mistake it doesn't make him a bad person! so to all those people who judge and are obviously perfect and have never done anything wrong in their lives carry on!![/p][/quote]He may be a wonderful husband and a brilliant father, but when someone puts their total trust in you to be able to care for then, you do NOT treat anyone with the utter disgrace that he did, to have the audacity to take his cheque book, write a cheque for £8000 is beyond being a wonderful person. This poor man now has lost all trust in people in his final years here so much so he is scared and unsafe in his own home, and having to be cared for residentially. Totally disgusting in my eyes, well done the bank too.[/p][/quote]ALL ENTITLED TO OUR OPINIONS! 1967
  • Score: -32

11:29pm Sat 26 Apr 14

alaniatamsin says...

Sorry but it it seems that only.one.person knows this man ?! He is a wonderful uncle to.some beautiful children and would never hurt them. Like 1967 said he made one mistake. Who hasn't ? People shouldn't spend they're lives commenting rubbish about a man that they do not even know !!!
Sorry but it it seems that only.one.person knows this man ?! He is a wonderful uncle to.some beautiful children and would never hurt them. Like 1967 said he made one mistake. Who hasn't ? People shouldn't spend they're lives commenting rubbish about a man that they do not even know !!! alaniatamsin
  • Score: -25

12:24am Sun 27 Apr 14

skye2491 says...

We put our trust in people to look after our elderly what do you expect when someone robe's them of their saving we are living in a world who can we trust
We put our trust in people to look after our elderly what do you expect when someone robe's them of their saving we are living in a world who can we trust skye2491
  • Score: 7

12:54am Sun 27 Apr 14

WRT1936 says...

He is an amazing husband and a wonderful father. . This is the only mistake he has done in his life, and yes it's a big one and he shouldn't have done it, but what would you do when you were homeless, sleeping on a blanket on the floor with two children, you hadn't eaten in 7 days so your children could have every bit of food you had left, was in over £10,000 worth of debt and lost your grandfather and father in the space of a few weeks. It wasn't greed it was desperation. The minute the cheque was put in the account he made it bounce as he couldnt do that. I know I would do absolutely anything to look after my children.
He is an amazing husband and a wonderful father. . This is the only mistake he has done in his life, and yes it's a big one and he shouldn't have done it, but what would you do when you were homeless, sleeping on a blanket on the floor with two children, you hadn't eaten in 7 days so your children could have every bit of food you had left, was in over £10,000 worth of debt and lost your grandfather and father in the space of a few weeks. It wasn't greed it was desperation. The minute the cheque was put in the account he made it bounce as he couldnt do that. I know I would do absolutely anything to look after my children. WRT1936
  • Score: -22

5:36am Sun 27 Apr 14

1967 says...

this man was an excellent carer to the elderly and they all loved him,he did not beat them,abuse them like many people in the care profession do or have done and have served less sentences in prison! like I said before he made one mistake! (LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!) thank you for ur support WRT1936 and alaniatamsin xxx
this man was an excellent carer to the elderly and they all loved him,he did not beat them,abuse them like many people in the care profession do or have done and have served less sentences in prison! like I said before he made one mistake! (LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!) thank you for ur support WRT1936 and alaniatamsin xxx 1967
  • Score: -25

9:06am Sun 27 Apr 14

connie68 says...

Maybe he should of got his head out of the sand and asked for help before taking matters in too his own hands and ruining someone's life!!
Maybe he should of got his head out of the sand and asked for help before taking matters in too his own hands and ruining someone's life!! connie68
  • Score: 19

12:23pm Sun 27 Apr 14

JamesYoung says...

WRT1936 wrote:
He is an amazing husband and a wonderful father. . This is the only mistake he has done in his life, and yes it's a big one and he shouldn't have done it, but what would you do when you were homeless, sleeping on a blanket on the floor with two children, you hadn't eaten in 7 days so your children could have every bit of food you had left, was in over £10,000 worth of debt and lost your grandfather and father in the space of a few weeks. It wasn't greed it was desperation. The minute the cheque was put in the account he made it bounce as he couldnt do that. I know I would do absolutely anything to look after my children.
So if i get myself into £10,000 of debt it's ok for me to come and burgle your house? Good to know - my council tax is due; can i have your address please and a list of the times you'll be out?
None of what you have written excuses this, even if it were true, which, to be honest, i very much doubt because as a working man he would shave been entitled to working tax and child tax credits as well as housing benefit and therefore would have had a roof over his head.
[quote][p][bold]WRT1936[/bold] wrote: He is an amazing husband and a wonderful father. . This is the only mistake he has done in his life, and yes it's a big one and he shouldn't have done it, but what would you do when you were homeless, sleeping on a blanket on the floor with two children, you hadn't eaten in 7 days so your children could have every bit of food you had left, was in over £10,000 worth of debt and lost your grandfather and father in the space of a few weeks. It wasn't greed it was desperation. The minute the cheque was put in the account he made it bounce as he couldnt do that. I know I would do absolutely anything to look after my children.[/p][/quote]So if i get myself into £10,000 of debt it's ok for me to come and burgle your house? Good to know - my council tax is due; can i have your address please and a list of the times you'll be out? None of what you have written excuses this, even if it were true, which, to be honest, i very much doubt because as a working man he would shave been entitled to working tax and child tax credits as well as housing benefit and therefore would have had a roof over his head. JamesYoung
  • Score: 21

4:27pm Sun 27 Apr 14

WRT1936 says...

His family were evicted from there home, and they couldn't afford anywhere else so were told by the council to stay passed there eviction date so they could be housed but months of living with no furniture in the house the housing told them that they were not priority. This man was going through severe depression and wanted to commit suicide, he was not in his right state of mind. It doesn't excuse what he done but some people judge a person by a one sided article which just so people are aware have a lot of false information in, typical echo! The same day this man went to court the same judge gave a man the same length sentence for rape! So do you think that's fair? And I don't see that man on the front page of the echo!
His family were evicted from there home, and they couldn't afford anywhere else so were told by the council to stay passed there eviction date so they could be housed but months of living with no furniture in the house the housing told them that they were not priority. This man was going through severe depression and wanted to commit suicide, he was not in his right state of mind. It doesn't excuse what he done but some people judge a person by a one sided article which just so people are aware have a lot of false information in, typical echo! The same day this man went to court the same judge gave a man the same length sentence for rape! So do you think that's fair? And I don't see that man on the front page of the echo! WRT1936
  • Score: -19

5:28pm Sun 27 Apr 14

connie68 says...

Poor poor poor me
Poor poor poor me connie68
  • Score: 9

6:44pm Sun 27 Apr 14

1967 says...

WRT1936 no matter what we say to defend mike, these perfect,never done any wrong individuals are going to get the last word.god forbid if any of their perfect family made a mistake!! we just need to carry on supporting mike and his gorgeous lil family as we have been doing and let these judgemental individuals get on wiv their lives god bless them all!!
WRT1936 no matter what we say to defend mike, these perfect,never done any wrong individuals are going to get the last word.god forbid if any of their perfect family made a mistake!! we just need to carry on supporting mike and his gorgeous lil family as we have been doing and let these judgemental individuals get on wiv their lives god bless them all!! 1967
  • Score: -11

10:12pm Sun 27 Apr 14

ej..... says...

I pray for his children, I know he has a gorgeous little boy who was at school with my daughter, she often talks of him. We all do things we regret, I wish you all better times and pray the kids are ok x
I pray for his children, I know he has a gorgeous little boy who was at school with my daughter, she often talks of him. We all do things we regret, I wish you all better times and pray the kids are ok x ej.....
  • Score: 5

7:44am Mon 28 Apr 14

MaidofDorset says...

A foolish man who made a bad situation worse.
A foolish man who made a bad situation worse. MaidofDorset
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

JamesYoung says...

1967 wrote:
WRT1936 no matter what we say to defend mike, these perfect,never done any wrong individuals are going to get the last word.god forbid if any of their perfect family made a mistake!! we just need to carry on supporting mike and his gorgeous lil family as we have been doing and let these judgemental individuals get on wiv their lives god bless them all!!
If my perfect family were to steal £8,000 from a vulnerable old man, and i found out about it, i'd be straight on the phone to the police.
From WRT1936's comment i can understand a little of the desperation, but it is still utterly inexcusable and the earlier comment made by that person that he/she would do the same is a sad reflection on our society. The reality is that your friend has gone from being in debt and nearly homeless to being in debt, nearly homeless and unemployable.
[quote][p][bold]1967[/bold] wrote: WRT1936 no matter what we say to defend mike, these perfect,never done any wrong individuals are going to get the last word.god forbid if any of their perfect family made a mistake!! we just need to carry on supporting mike and his gorgeous lil family as we have been doing and let these judgemental individuals get on wiv their lives god bless them all!![/p][/quote]If my perfect family were to steal £8,000 from a vulnerable old man, and i found out about it, i'd be straight on the phone to the police. From WRT1936's comment i can understand a little of the desperation, but it is still utterly inexcusable and the earlier comment made by that person that he/she would do the same is a sad reflection on our society. The reality is that your friend has gone from being in debt and nearly homeless to being in debt, nearly homeless and unemployable. JamesYoung
  • Score: 11

3:13pm Mon 28 Apr 14

JamesYoung says...

WRT1936 wrote:
His family were evicted from there home, and they couldn't afford anywhere else so were told by the council to stay passed there eviction date so they could be housed but months of living with no furniture in the house the housing told them that they were not priority. This man was going through severe depression and wanted to commit suicide, he was not in his right state of mind. It doesn't excuse what he done but some people judge a person by a one sided article which just so people are aware have a lot of false information in, typical echo! The same day this man went to court the same judge gave a man the same length sentence for rape! So do you think that's fair? And I don't see that man on the front page of the echo!
The right thing for your friend to do would have been to seek professional advice from a debt charity, probably file for bankruptcy and walk away with his head held high. There is no stigma in bankruptcy these days. As for housing, there are houses available to rent privately and the council (through housing benefit) would have helped with that. He made bad choices and they will come back to haunt him as he is now effectively unemployable. I hope, however, that when he has served his time things improve for him and his family.
As for the rapist, i agree, he should have been sent down for far longer.
[quote][p][bold]WRT1936[/bold] wrote: His family were evicted from there home, and they couldn't afford anywhere else so were told by the council to stay passed there eviction date so they could be housed but months of living with no furniture in the house the housing told them that they were not priority. This man was going through severe depression and wanted to commit suicide, he was not in his right state of mind. It doesn't excuse what he done but some people judge a person by a one sided article which just so people are aware have a lot of false information in, typical echo! The same day this man went to court the same judge gave a man the same length sentence for rape! So do you think that's fair? And I don't see that man on the front page of the echo![/p][/quote]The right thing for your friend to do would have been to seek professional advice from a debt charity, probably file for bankruptcy and walk away with his head held high. There is no stigma in bankruptcy these days. As for housing, there are houses available to rent privately and the council (through housing benefit) would have helped with that. He made bad choices and they will come back to haunt him as he is now effectively unemployable. I hope, however, that when he has served his time things improve for him and his family. As for the rapist, i agree, he should have been sent down for far longer. JamesYoung
  • Score: 9

6:49pm Mon 28 Apr 14

1967 says...

hi james in hindsight that's all well and good, but a lot of men as u well no when their family are concerned have a lot of pride and carry on trying to do whats best, but unfortunately mike tried and failed and is facing the concequences and wil be for the rest of his and his familys life! my dad had many carers coming to his home wen he was alive and if this situation had happened to him he would of realised the desperation and forgiven him as in this world today there are far worse things that happen to vulnerable people. so lets hope the victim can forgive too! we appreciate ur compassion regardin mike and his familys future, thank you.
hi james in hindsight that's all well and good, but a lot of men as u well no when their family are concerned have a lot of pride and carry on trying to do whats best, but unfortunately mike tried and failed and is facing the concequences and wil be for the rest of his and his familys life! my dad had many carers coming to his home wen he was alive and if this situation had happened to him he would of realised the desperation and forgiven him as in this world today there are far worse things that happen to vulnerable people. so lets hope the victim can forgive too! we appreciate ur compassion regardin mike and his familys future, thank you. 1967
  • Score: -4

8:52am Thu 1 May 14

JamesYoung says...

1967 wrote:
hi james in hindsight that's all well and good, but a lot of men as u well no when their family are concerned have a lot of pride and carry on trying to do whats best, but unfortunately mike tried and failed and is facing the concequences and wil be for the rest of his and his familys life! my dad had many carers coming to his home wen he was alive and if this situation had happened to him he would of realised the desperation and forgiven him as in this world today there are far worse things that happen to vulnerable people. so lets hope the victim can forgive too! we appreciate ur compassion regardin mike and his familys future, thank you.
Thats fair comment.
[quote][p][bold]1967[/bold] wrote: hi james in hindsight that's all well and good, but a lot of men as u well no when their family are concerned have a lot of pride and carry on trying to do whats best, but unfortunately mike tried and failed and is facing the concequences and wil be for the rest of his and his familys life! my dad had many carers coming to his home wen he was alive and if this situation had happened to him he would of realised the desperation and forgiven him as in this world today there are far worse things that happen to vulnerable people. so lets hope the victim can forgive too! we appreciate ur compassion regardin mike and his familys future, thank you.[/p][/quote]Thats fair comment. JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

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