Residents angered by plans to axe their vital bus service

Dorset Echo: THAT’S JUST NOT FARE: Brenda Bugler and other protesters are upset about service X31 bus changes at Littlemoor THAT’S JUST NOT FARE: Brenda Bugler and other protesters are upset about service X31 bus changes at Littlemoor

A CANCER patient has hit out at plans to take away her ‘lifeline’ bus service.

Communities are hitting out at moves to re-route a popular bus link between Weymouth, Bridport and east Devon.

Changes are being made by First Dorset to its popular X31 service to improve links between Dorchester South and Axminster railway stations, to the detriment of people living in other communities.

Brenda Bugler, from Littlemoor in Weymouth, relies on First’s X31 service so she can attend hospital appointments in Dorchester.

The bus runs from Weymouth via Littlemoor and Preston to Dorchester, including stopping at Dorset County Hospital, before going on to Bridport and Axminster.

Mrs Bugler claims she and other residents will be left ‘stranded’ by a move to no longer run it to Wey-mouth.

From May 24, the bus will only run between Dorchester and Axminster.

For Littlemoor and Preston passengers, this will mean getting a bus into Weymouth, or somewhere along Dorchester Road, to pick up service 10 which runs from King’s Statue to Dorchester.

Widow Mrs Bugler, 64, said she cannot understand why the bus company was pulling service 31 out of Weymouth as she thought it was popular.

She said: “It’s a lifeline for me and at the moment I can pick it up just down the road. I go up to Dorset County Hospital as I am undergoing treatment for breast cancer.

“I’m fretting quite a bit as it is and this is another worry.

“I’m going through so much at the moment and am reliant on the bus for my appointments. It’s not just me; a lot of people round here who are poorly use it to go to the hospital or to go shopping.

“I could understand the reasoning if it wasn’t carrying passengers but there’s always a few on it. We will be left stranded if it goes.”

Littlemoor resident Malcolm Beeson said: “It’s a very poor move and I think a lot of people will miss this bus.”

He added: “Taking this bus away will mean the new shelter they’ve put up near Goulds Garden Centre will be hardly used.”

Summer timetable changes

FIRST Dorset is making changes to its summer timetables starting on Saturday, May 24.

As part of this, the X31 will be changed to improve links between Dorchester South and Axminster stations and will no longer serve Weymouth.

Customers travelling between Weymouth and Dorchester can take service 10 which runs every 15 minutes daytime Monday to Saturday.

Customers can change between X31 and service 10 at the Brewery Square stop. Service 14 will also offer some direct journeys between Weymouth and Dorchester.

General manager for First Dorset Simon Newport said: “The change to Service X31 has been made in order to maintain its viability following the withdrawal of financial support from Dorset County Council three years ago.

“We did make great efforts to increase the number of people travelling and improve the fares, but unfortunately, the section between Weymouth and Dorchester has not been used sufficiently to enable us to continue running this part of the service.”

Petition set up to save service

CHANGES to First’s X31 service on another part of its route in West Dorset has also sparked fury.

Residents told of their concern as fewer buses will be serving Martinstown and Winterbourne Steepleton.

A petition has been launched by villagers to stop what they say will be a ‘catastrophe.’ The changes will see the service reduced from one an hour to twice a day.

Jon Walker, pictured inset, 52, who lives in Martinstown and started the petition, said a reduction in services would be a ‘blow to the communities.’ He added: “It’s an essential service for a rural community and something that should be fought for.”

Villagers have backing from West Dorset MP Oliver Letwin.

First said the main reason for the change is to improve the reliability of the service and match the resources in use against demand. The service fulfils many roles across the length of the route, including school movements and links to Axminster and Dorchester South railway stations. It also provides the local service between Bridport, Lyme Regis and Axminster.

At times the service had failed to fulfil its roles, including missing trains, and so the new timetable was realigned to include a priority in meeting trains in Axminster and Dorchester South stations.

Devastating effect on communities

Axing bus services could have a devastating effect on rural communities, says the Rural Services Network.

A report says bus services have been hit hard by local authority budget savings as a consequence of government funding cuts, and in some areas the cuts have reached critical levels. The Local Government Association says authorities likely to be worst hit include Dorset.

A Save Our Buses campaign, backed by the RSN and other organisations, is calling for an urgent review into funding.

RSN Chairman Cecilia Motley said: “We recognise the need for austerity measures but government cuts are in grave danger of going too far, leaving many rural local authorities with no choice but to reduce funding for bus services. Rather than imposing draconian and short-sighted cuts, the government should be investing in the bus sector for the long term.”

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8:39am Thu 1 May 14

westbaywonder says...

If you actually stopped burning cars out in Littlmoor and used them for the purpose they were intended most people would not need the bus service.LOL.
If you actually stopped burning cars out in Littlmoor and used them for the purpose they were intended most people would not need the bus service.LOL. westbaywonder
  • Score: -12

9:11am Thu 1 May 14

Get a grip says...

The trouble with buses is that you wait for ages then two come along at the same time.
The trouble with buses is that you wait for ages then two come along at the same time. Get a grip
  • Score: 2

9:21am Thu 1 May 14

annotater says...

30 years ago, Southern National made it clear; Use it or Lose it. Nothing has changed!
30 years ago, Southern National made it clear; Use it or Lose it. Nothing has changed! annotater
  • Score: 6

10:04am Thu 1 May 14

trymybest says...

If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport. trymybest
  • Score: 9

10:25am Thu 1 May 14

JamesYoung says...

trymybest wrote:
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
Because they are a business.
Businesses act in their own best interests and are not answerable to the local newspaper or required to provide services to cancer patients.
Not saying it's right, but the Echo seems to have a view that generating a petition for everything or finding a sob story is an effective way of dealing with the problem (or more to the point, an effective way of selling papers).
[quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.[/p][/quote]Because they are a business. Businesses act in their own best interests and are not answerable to the local newspaper or required to provide services to cancer patients. Not saying it's right, but the Echo seems to have a view that generating a petition for everything or finding a sob story is an effective way of dealing with the problem (or more to the point, an effective way of selling papers). JamesYoung
  • Score: 21

10:45am Thu 1 May 14

Dorset Guy1 says...

trymybest wrote:
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
The No 10 is now four an hour Weymouth and via DC Hospital using new busses so where is the problem with the No2 every 10 mins out of Littlemore change at Broadway where is the problem?
[quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.[/p][/quote]The No 10 is now four an hour Weymouth and via DC Hospital using new busses so where is the problem with the No2 every 10 mins out of Littlemore change at Broadway where is the problem? Dorset Guy1
  • Score: 14

11:08am Thu 1 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?
The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 6

11:10am Thu 1 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Dorset Guy1 wrote:
trymybest wrote:
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
The No 10 is now four an hour Weymouth and via DC Hospital using new busses so where is the problem with the No2 every 10 mins out of Littlemore change at Broadway where is the problem?
If you are having a No2 every Ten minutes, I would say you have a problem.

...Sorry could't resist that one.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Guy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.[/p][/quote]The No 10 is now four an hour Weymouth and via DC Hospital using new busses so where is the problem with the No2 every 10 mins out of Littlemore change at Broadway where is the problem?[/p][/quote]If you are having a No2 every Ten minutes, I would say you have a problem. ...Sorry could't resist that one. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 12

12:44pm Thu 1 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?
I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector.
Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally.
I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?[/p][/quote]I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector. Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally. I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you. JamesYoung
  • Score: 10

1:01pm Thu 1 May 14

annotater says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?
I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector.
Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally.
I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you.
Yes the nanny state started by Blair is a main contributor to the issues we have now. It was past the point of no return a long time ago.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?[/p][/quote]I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector. Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally. I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you.[/p][/quote]Yes the nanny state started by Blair is a main contributor to the issues we have now. It was past the point of no return a long time ago. annotater
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Thu 1 May 14

Fich 26 says...

http://www.change.or
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Sign the above petition link to add your voice to support the 31 service continuing.
http://www.change.or g/en-GB/petitions/si mon-newport-keep-run ning-our-hourly-31-b us-service-through-a n-isolated-dorset-vi llage-instead-of-cut ting-the-village-off -during-the-daytime- with-no-service/edit Sign the above petition link to add your voice to support the 31 service continuing. Fich 26
  • Score: -7

2:03pm Thu 1 May 14

Fich 26 says...

Fich 26 wrote:
This is a much easier link to my last post sorry about that

http://chn.ge/1ii5Vt

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please sign to add your support to the cutbacks affecting all users of the 31 bus service in this area.
I have tried to post links to the online pettition about saving the services to the 31 Bus from First Dorset. Unfortunately they dont seem to be working as they should.
Anyone wishing to add their signature of support against the cuts to the service are welcome to sign the petition as below:

www.change.org
then use the search box and type in First Dorset.
This will take you to the menu where you should see the petition and be able to click on it to sign.
[quote][p][bold]Fich 26[/bold] wrote: This is a much easier link to my last post sorry about that http://chn.ge/1ii5Vt Z please sign to add your support to the cutbacks affecting all users of the 31 bus service in this area.[/p][/quote]I have tried to post links to the online pettition about saving the services to the 31 Bus from First Dorset. Unfortunately they dont seem to be working as they should. Anyone wishing to add their signature of support against the cuts to the service are welcome to sign the petition as below: www.change.org then use the search box and type in First Dorset. This will take you to the menu where you should see the petition and be able to click on it to sign. Fich 26
  • Score: -7

2:16pm Thu 1 May 14

trymybest says...

trymybest wrote:
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
What l am saying is there is no real justification in stopping the 31 link between Weymouth and Dorchester as it is well use as stated by First buses themself all it needs is for First bus to get their act together.
Number 10 route has been running four buses per hour for some year's so that's not new and it's standing room only most of the time, so even if you wait for a number 10 on Dorchester road the chances are you won't get on it because it's FULL by the time it gets to Broadway more so on Dorchester market day that's the problem, which means someone in need missing their hospital appointment and they can't go by car as the hospital car park is always full, that's why the 10 and 31 goes to and by the hospital and has done so since Weymouth hospital services where moved to Dorchester hospital.
[quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.[/p][/quote]What l am saying is there is no real justification in stopping the 31 link between Weymouth and Dorchester as it is well use as stated by First buses themself all it needs is for First bus to get their act together. Number 10 route has been running four buses per hour for some year's so that's not new and it's standing room only most of the time, so even if you wait for a number 10 on Dorchester road the chances are you won't get on it because it's FULL by the time it gets to Broadway more so on Dorchester market day that's the problem, which means someone in need missing their hospital appointment and they can't go by car as the hospital car park is always full, that's why the 10 and 31 goes to and by the hospital and has done so since Weymouth hospital services where moved to Dorchester hospital. trymybest
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Thu 1 May 14

oldbrock says...

JamesYoung wrote:
trymybest wrote:
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
Because they are a business.
Businesses act in their own best interests and are not answerable to the local newspaper or required to provide services to cancer patients.
Not saying it's right, but the Echo seems to have a view that generating a petition for everything or finding a sob story is an effective way of dealing with the problem (or more to the point, an effective way of selling papers).
about time then that these became a SERVICE then perhaps more people would use them as the government exhort people to do, a petition is a valid form of communication, if there were more petitions instead of sheeple excepting blindly, this country would get on better, the British Stiff Upper Lip is no use whatsoever in these modern times, many potential wrongs have been righted by petitions, I say more power to them, now those who disagree can thumb this down anonymously, that works far better than having a debate on the subject!
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.[/p][/quote]Because they are a business. Businesses act in their own best interests and are not answerable to the local newspaper or required to provide services to cancer patients. Not saying it's right, but the Echo seems to have a view that generating a petition for everything or finding a sob story is an effective way of dealing with the problem (or more to the point, an effective way of selling papers).[/p][/quote]about time then that these became a SERVICE then perhaps more people would use them as the government exhort people to do, a petition is a valid form of communication, if there were more petitions instead of sheeple excepting blindly, this country would get on better, the British Stiff Upper Lip is no use whatsoever in these modern times, many potential wrongs have been righted by petitions, I say more power to them, now those who disagree can thumb this down anonymously, that works far better than having a debate on the subject! oldbrock
  • Score: -5

4:37pm Thu 1 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

Dorset Guy1 wrote:
trymybest wrote:
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
The No 10 is now four an hour Weymouth and via DC Hospital using new busses so where is the problem with the No2 every 10 mins out of Littlemore change at Broadway where is the problem?
new buses? 08 reg, if there's enough of them available, or if not perhaps one of the V reg Volvos. Where is the problem? because that's an extremely long way round, & given the unreliability of the no.10 service (case in point, this morning, two right behind each other going into town), you'd have to set out a good hour or so before you needed to be in Dorchester, and hope that a no. 10 does run when they promise.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Guy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.[/p][/quote]The No 10 is now four an hour Weymouth and via DC Hospital using new busses so where is the problem with the No2 every 10 mins out of Littlemore change at Broadway where is the problem?[/p][/quote]new buses? 08 reg, if there's enough of them available, or if not perhaps one of the V reg Volvos. Where is the problem? because that's an extremely long way round, & given the unreliability of the no.10 service (case in point, this morning, two right behind each other going into town), you'd have to set out a good hour or so before you needed to be in Dorchester, and hope that a no. 10 does run when they promise. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 2

5:43pm Thu 1 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?
I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector.
Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally.
I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you.
I have often driven past bus stops, especially when cold and raining and thought of just offering people a lift, after all if I am going into Town and I am driving the car anyway, may as well get the use out of it. Sadly thanks to the awful society created by all the sort of people a good few of us often refer to, it is simply too much of a risk to help anybody who isn't family or very close friends these days. I hate the nasty agenda's that have created that atmosphere in society and we all know who they are.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?[/p][/quote]I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector. Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally. I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you.[/p][/quote]I have often driven past bus stops, especially when cold and raining and thought of just offering people a lift, after all if I am going into Town and I am driving the car anyway, may as well get the use out of it. Sadly thanks to the awful society created by all the sort of people a good few of us often refer to, it is simply too much of a risk to help anybody who isn't family or very close friends these days. I hate the nasty agenda's that have created that atmosphere in society and we all know who they are. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 14

5:44pm Thu 1 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

annotater wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?
I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector.
Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally.
I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you.
Yes the nanny state started by Blair is a main contributor to the issues we have now. It was past the point of no return a long time ago.
I don't think it is beyond return, it will take a lot of work and a generation or two, as well as some fierce fighting. It is do-able. VOTE UKIP, there is no other choice presently if you wan it to change.
[quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: The only thing I do concern myself a about is the disabled and elderly and their ability to have some freedom, everyone else younger and able-bodied can save harder, work harder, or even get a job etc and then get a car. As James points out, it is a business not a social service. Maybe local neighbor car owners could help the elderly and disabled near them by giving them lifts or getting things for them from time to time?[/p][/quote]I think this is the problem with the nanny state, Sigurd. My view is that over several decades, it has stretched its tentacles into every aspect of our lives, justifying tax increases with the promise that all our responsibilities to our fellow men will be subsumed into the public sector. Of course, with an ageing population and falling incomes, this was never going to work. But the sad reality is that we prefer to complain about services being cut than spending the time helping our neighbours. I am as guilty of that as the next person, incidentally. I think government needs to be more honest and say "we can't do these things anymore". This is, i think, what Cameron was aiming for with his Big Society, but he and his mates really meant Big Houses and Big Cars for the Big Boys, sod all for the rest of you.[/p][/quote]Yes the nanny state started by Blair is a main contributor to the issues we have now. It was past the point of no return a long time ago.[/p][/quote]I don't think it is beyond return, it will take a lot of work and a generation or two, as well as some fierce fighting. It is do-able. VOTE UKIP, there is no other choice presently if you wan it to change. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 4

6:35pm Thu 1 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

Oh my God, this has turned into an election broadcast on behalf of the Sad, Scared Old Men Party, as I see someone called them today, while delivering an egg to the good mr. Farage. So what's u-Kip's policy regarding funding of public transport, then? "If they can't afford to buy a car, or can't be bothered to learn to drive, stuff 'em", i suppose.
Oh my God, this has turned into an election broadcast on behalf of the Sad, Scared Old Men Party, as I see someone called them today, while delivering an egg to the good mr. Farage. So what's u-Kip's policy regarding funding of public transport, then? "If they can't afford to buy a car, or can't be bothered to learn to drive, stuff 'em", i suppose. arlbergbahn
  • Score: -7

7:28pm Thu 1 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

thank you for voting me thumbs down, Sigbert Whateveryournameis, but could you elaborate perhaps as to what your favoured party has to do with anything relevant to the topic under discussion?
thank you for voting me thumbs down, Sigbert Whateveryournameis, but could you elaborate perhaps as to what your favoured party has to do with anything relevant to the topic under discussion? arlbergbahn
  • Score: -8

7:36pm Thu 1 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

I was not the one who voted you down, I was merely replying to another persons comment with an opinion relevant to his comment. Do you have anything intelligent to say or to add to the debate?
I was not the one who voted you down, I was merely replying to another persons comment with an opinion relevant to his comment. Do you have anything intelligent to say or to add to the debate? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 8

8:58pm Thu 1 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
I was not the one who voted you down, I was merely replying to another persons comment with an opinion relevant to his comment. Do you have anything intelligent to say or to add to the debate?
Do you? is yelling "VOTE UKIP" a very helpful contribution? What is You-Kip's policy concerning public transport? Do they believe there should be any, or is this topic just an opportunity for you to have a rant about the nanny state?
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: I was not the one who voted you down, I was merely replying to another persons comment with an opinion relevant to his comment. Do you have anything intelligent to say or to add to the debate?[/p][/quote]Do you? is yelling "VOTE UKIP" a very helpful contribution? What is You-Kip's policy concerning public transport? Do they believe there should be any, or is this topic just an opportunity for you to have a rant about the nanny state? arlbergbahn
  • Score: -5

9:35pm Thu 1 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
I was not the one who voted you down, I was merely replying to another persons comment with an opinion relevant to his comment. Do you have anything intelligent to say or to add to the debate?
Do you? is yelling "VOTE UKIP" a very helpful contribution? What is You-Kip's policy concerning public transport? Do they believe there should be any, or is this topic just an opportunity for you to have a rant about the nanny state?
Well after the ranting abusive way you addressed me to start with, you can easily go ask them yourself or read their literature and find out. I won't waste my time with you. A silly person that moans when someone goes slightly of topic ( but related to the bigger picture ) and then he fills half a page pi**ing and moaning off topic about it.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: I was not the one who voted you down, I was merely replying to another persons comment with an opinion relevant to his comment. Do you have anything intelligent to say or to add to the debate?[/p][/quote]Do you? is yelling "VOTE UKIP" a very helpful contribution? What is You-Kip's policy concerning public transport? Do they believe there should be any, or is this topic just an opportunity for you to have a rant about the nanny state?[/p][/quote]Well after the ranting abusive way you addressed me to start with, you can easily go ask them yourself or read their literature and find out. I won't waste my time with you. A silly person that moans when someone goes slightly of topic ( but related to the bigger picture ) and then he fills half a page pi**ing and moaning off topic about it. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 6

10:23pm Thu 1 May 14

JamesYoung says...

oldbrock wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
trymybest wrote:
If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection.
On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late.
The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse.
One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.
Because they are a business.
Businesses act in their own best interests and are not answerable to the local newspaper or required to provide services to cancer patients.
Not saying it's right, but the Echo seems to have a view that generating a petition for everything or finding a sob story is an effective way of dealing with the problem (or more to the point, an effective way of selling papers).
about time then that these became a SERVICE then perhaps more people would use them as the government exhort people to do, a petition is a valid form of communication, if there were more petitions instead of sheeple excepting blindly, this country would get on better, the British Stiff Upper Lip is no use whatsoever in these modern times, many potential wrongs have been righted by petitions, I say more power to them, now those who disagree can thumb this down anonymously, that works far better than having a debate on the subject!
Petitions to Parliament tend to get a reaction. Petitions to private companies tend not to.
The reason people don't use buses is that (1) they don't generally go where you want to go (2) at the time you want to go and (3) from the place that you want to leave from.
Unless we are going to have 100 times the number of buses on the road (which could never be commercially viable) then it is doubtful that most people will ever use buses, despite the green party's urging.
[quote][p][bold]oldbrock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: If the 31 left King statue on time, not when it suits the driver it would and should do the journey of only 25 minutes along the quickest route out of Weymouth in plenty of time to be at Dorchester station for the train connection. On the return trip from Bridport, if the bus is running late the driver should be able to phone the bus station to tell what happening so that another bus from the bus station can be sent out to the King statue ready to leave on time, at present if the 31 arrives back late it leaves late. The First bus station managers should take responsability for the running of their service NOT just stop parts of it on some lame excuse. One excuse they can't use is the lack of use between Weymouth and Dorchester, John Randall First bus customer service said on the 16th April 2014 "we don't deny that a lot of people use the 31 between Weymouth and Dorchester" so the question is why are you really stopping a viable and much needed service Mr Simon Newport.[/p][/quote]Because they are a business. Businesses act in their own best interests and are not answerable to the local newspaper or required to provide services to cancer patients. Not saying it's right, but the Echo seems to have a view that generating a petition for everything or finding a sob story is an effective way of dealing with the problem (or more to the point, an effective way of selling papers).[/p][/quote]about time then that these became a SERVICE then perhaps more people would use them as the government exhort people to do, a petition is a valid form of communication, if there were more petitions instead of sheeple excepting blindly, this country would get on better, the British Stiff Upper Lip is no use whatsoever in these modern times, many potential wrongs have been righted by petitions, I say more power to them, now those who disagree can thumb this down anonymously, that works far better than having a debate on the subject![/p][/quote]Petitions to Parliament tend to get a reaction. Petitions to private companies tend not to. The reason people don't use buses is that (1) they don't generally go where you want to go (2) at the time you want to go and (3) from the place that you want to leave from. Unless we are going to have 100 times the number of buses on the road (which could never be commercially viable) then it is doubtful that most people will ever use buses, despite the green party's urging. JamesYoung
  • Score: 4

11:13pm Thu 1 May 14

Rocksalt says...

I see that higher up in the thread we have been encouraged to vote UKIP. In their 2010 manifesto there was a lot about cars, support for high speed rail and the like, but the word 'bus' did not appear in the document. Of course, the current leader said subsequently that the 2010 manifesto was rubbish, so who knows what nuggets we might expect.
I see that higher up in the thread we have been encouraged to vote UKIP. In their 2010 manifesto there was a lot about cars, support for high speed rail and the like, but the word 'bus' did not appear in the document. Of course, the current leader said subsequently that the 2010 manifesto was rubbish, so who knows what nuggets we might expect. Rocksalt
  • Score: 3

2:26pm Fri 2 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Rocksalt wrote:
I see that higher up in the thread we have been encouraged to vote UKIP. In their 2010 manifesto there was a lot about cars, support for high speed rail and the like, but the word 'bus' did not appear in the document. Of course, the current leader said subsequently that the 2010 manifesto was rubbish, so who knows what nuggets we might expect.
Indeed you don't. They are about the people of Britain after all and with the 55 million a day we won't have to pay to the state of the EU, along with the Billions not spent on HS2 which they are against, who knows ? Like I said they are about what is right for our own people in the UK, not paying for Spain's roads etc. It will not be easy fixing all the rot but if people show resolve, it might happen.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: I see that higher up in the thread we have been encouraged to vote UKIP. In their 2010 manifesto there was a lot about cars, support for high speed rail and the like, but the word 'bus' did not appear in the document. Of course, the current leader said subsequently that the 2010 manifesto was rubbish, so who knows what nuggets we might expect.[/p][/quote]Indeed you don't. They are about the people of Britain after all and with the 55 million a day we won't have to pay to the state of the EU, along with the Billions not spent on HS2 which they are against, who knows ? Like I said they are about what is right for our own people in the UK, not paying for Spain's roads etc. It will not be easy fixing all the rot but if people show resolve, it might happen. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 3

3:31pm Fri 2 May 14

mrec-uk says...

https://www.change.o
rg/en-GB/petitions/t
o-save-bus-service-3
1-keep-service-31-se
rving-weymouth
https://www.change.o rg/en-GB/petitions/t o-save-bus-service-3 1-keep-service-31-se rving-weymouth mrec-uk
  • Score: -2

3:52pm Fri 2 May 14

Rocksalt says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
Rocksalt wrote: I see that higher up in the thread we have been encouraged to vote UKIP. In their 2010 manifesto there was a lot about cars, support for high speed rail and the like, but the word 'bus' did not appear in the document. Of course, the current leader said subsequently that the 2010 manifesto was rubbish, so who knows what nuggets we might expect.
Indeed you don't. They are about the people of Britain after all and with the 55 million a day we won't have to pay to the state of the EU, along with the Billions not spent on HS2 which they are against, who knows ? Like I said they are about what is right for our own people in the UK, not paying for Spain's roads etc. It will not be easy fixing all the rot but if people show resolve, it might happen.
Ok, let me get this right. They used to be in favour of HSR links, but now they are not. Is that right ? I understand the sentiment, but this is back of a fag packet stuff.
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: I see that higher up in the thread we have been encouraged to vote UKIP. In their 2010 manifesto there was a lot about cars, support for high speed rail and the like, but the word 'bus' did not appear in the document. Of course, the current leader said subsequently that the 2010 manifesto was rubbish, so who knows what nuggets we might expect.[/p][/quote]Indeed you don't. They are about the people of Britain after all and with the 55 million a day we won't have to pay to the state of the EU, along with the Billions not spent on HS2 which they are against, who knows ? Like I said they are about what is right for our own people in the UK, not paying for Spain's roads etc. It will not be easy fixing all the rot but if people show resolve, it might happen.[/p][/quote]Ok, let me get this right. They used to be in favour of HSR links, but now they are not. Is that right ? I understand the sentiment, but this is back of a fag packet stuff. Rocksalt
  • Score: -1

7:04pm Fri 2 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

No, In favour of high speed rail links but not HS2.
No, In favour of high speed rail links but not HS2. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 0

7:05pm Fri 2 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

In favour of different high speed rail inks which are far more cost effective but not HS2.
In favour of different high speed rail inks which are far more cost effective but not HS2. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Tue 6 May 14

jcrwey says...

What the Echo does not make clear here is the new Service 14 will run 4 times a day between Weymouth, Preston, Littlemoor and Dorchester. Originally those at school times would only run as far as Thomas Hardye but First have decided these will also run to Dorchester Trinity Street.
What the Echo does not make clear here is the new Service 14 will run 4 times a day between Weymouth, Preston, Littlemoor and Dorchester. Originally those at school times would only run as far as Thomas Hardye but First have decided these will also run to Dorchester Trinity Street. jcrwey
  • Score: 0

3:38pm Wed 7 May 14

trymybest says...

Today the 7th May, market day in Dorchester every number 10 this morning was full standing room only leaving King statue, anyone waiting on route had no chance of getting on, that's today with the 31 also running full. There is passenger and fares out there but we are being lt down by managers that rather sit in an office drinking tea than being out in the front line getting extra buses out to keep passengers happy and have money coming in.
Today the 7th May, market day in Dorchester every number 10 this morning was full standing room only leaving King statue, anyone waiting on route had no chance of getting on, that's today with the 31 also running full. There is passenger and fares out there but we are being lt down by managers that rather sit in an office drinking tea than being out in the front line getting extra buses out to keep passengers happy and have money coming in. trymybest
  • Score: 0

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