Deer put down after dog attack leaves it with broken leg

SHOOTING: Farmers Ellen and Adam Simon from West Bexington had to shoot a deer after it was attacked by a dog

SHOCKING: The deer's broken leg

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FARMERS are warning dog owners to keep their animals under control after they were forced to shoot a critically injured deer.

West Bexington couple Ellen and Adam Simon were forced to humanely kill the deer after it broke a leg trying to get away from a dog attack.

The Echo has decided to publish the shocking image to make dog owners aware what the consequences are when they let their pets chase animals.

Ellen said: “We did think do we want to put a horrible image out there but the answer is you do because people need to know.”

She said a holidaymaker witnessed the lurcher-type dog chase, harry and seriously injure the deer before it tried – and failed – to jump a fence to get away, breaking its leg.

She said the holidaymaker confronted the dog walker who is reported to have said ‘these things happen’.

The photo shows the deer’s broken leg in graphic detail.

Ellen said: “The injuries which aren’t photographed are on the deer’s head and chest and hindquarters and literally the throat taken.

“The dog walker didn’t do anything, they just walked away. We know they didn’t do anything because they didn’t come to us and they didn’t come to the National Trust because this is land we rent from the trust.

“We are fairly findable and the National Trust is absolutely findable.

“A passer-by had the good sense to get in touch with us, unlike the irresponsible owner of the dog, and we promptly went out to see what we could do – which was put it out of its misery.”

The deer was so badly injured they had to shoot it, said Ellen.

“You can picture the situation where the dog comes back later, maybe a bit bloody or puffed and this may have happened and you wouldn’t know but in this case the person did know.

“Luckily for us, by far the majority of the dog-walkers who use our footpaths are much more responsible and have better behaved dogs.”

This is not the first time something like this has happened.

Tony Jaques, of the Othona community just along the coast, witnessed a similar attack.

He said he shared the farmers’ feelings about the incident.

He said: “It is very distressing to watch.

“Having watched in horror on one occasion as an out of control lurcher, its owner two fields away and oblivious, brought down a deer and then stopped savaging it to go after its fawn, I share their feelings.

“Letting a dog that is essentially a hunting dog off the leash on land of this sort, people need to realise that they may actually hunt wild animals that most of us would want to see protected.

“I later met the owner who had no idea of what had happened because she simply let the dogs race off on their own.

“Her reaction was one of disappointing lack of awareness of what happens when you let dogs of that power and instincts off the leash and out of sight.

“I wonder if the signage on the Cogden/Bexington area is clear enough to advise dog owners of the danger to magnificent wild animals as well as to the farm animals they know their dogs should never harass?”

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10:40am Thu 8 May 14

annotater says...

I trust the dog walker is to be prosecuted and be reminded that any dog could be shot by the farmer, lawfully!
I trust the dog walker is to be prosecuted and be reminded that any dog could be shot by the farmer, lawfully! annotater
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11:46am Thu 8 May 14

shy talk says...

Farmers do not have a legal right to shoot dogs if worrying their livestock sheep, cattle. It is also worth adding that wild animals are exempt from these rules and this also includes game birds so a dog owner cannot be convicted of worrying wild deer, pheasants etc and nor can their dogs be shot.

However dog owners should have full control on the lead and off the lead. The dog owner could be prosecuted for not having a dog under control and causing unnecessary suffering.
Farmers do not have a legal right to shoot dogs if worrying their livestock sheep, cattle. It is also worth adding that wild animals are exempt from these rules and this also includes game birds so a dog owner cannot be convicted of worrying wild deer, pheasants etc and nor can their dogs be shot. However dog owners should have full control on the lead and off the lead. The dog owner could be prosecuted for not having a dog under control and causing unnecessary suffering. shy talk
  • Score: -5

2:00pm Thu 8 May 14

Bert Fry says...

It would be interesting to hear their views on fox, or even stag hunting. Can't see much difference myself except one was an unfortunate accident ( in loose terms) whilst the other is a deliberate act.
It would be interesting to hear their views on fox, or even stag hunting. Can't see much difference myself except one was an unfortunate accident ( in loose terms) whilst the other is a deliberate act. Bert Fry
  • Score: -7

2:06pm Thu 8 May 14

shy talk says...

Meant to say Farmers do have the legal right to shoot dogs.

Section 9 of the Animals Act 1971 provides that the owner of livestock, the landowner or anyone acting on their behalf, is entitled to shoot any dog if they believe it is the only reasonable way of stopping it worrying livestock. Such action must be reported to the local police within 48 hours.
Meant to say Farmers do have the legal right to shoot dogs. Section 9 of the Animals Act 1971 provides that the owner of livestock, the landowner or anyone acting on their behalf, is entitled to shoot any dog if they believe it is the only reasonable way of stopping it worrying livestock. Such action must be reported to the local police within 48 hours. shy talk
  • Score: 13

2:15pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....
I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion.... Harpya Orkinus
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2:26pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

E.D.E.N - Exterminate Dogs Everywhere NOW - I wonder what became of this Amerikan pressure-group eventually ?? They were certainly going strong in the 1970s, as I recall..
E.D.E.N - Exterminate Dogs Everywhere NOW - I wonder what became of this Amerikan pressure-group eventually ?? They were certainly going strong in the 1970s, as I recall.. Harpya Orkinus
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3:10pm Thu 8 May 14

Bert Fry says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....
Maybe your own limited intellectual and imaginative resource leaves you unable to comprehend that most 'normal' people don't hold your own extreme views on dogs and the countryside. They are normal, you, clearly, are not.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....[/p][/quote]Maybe your own limited intellectual and imaginative resource leaves you unable to comprehend that most 'normal' people don't hold your own extreme views on dogs and the countryside. They are normal, you, clearly, are not. Bert Fry
  • Score: 22

3:15pm Thu 8 May 14

livid99 says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....
Completely agree.
The tattooed, shaven headed cretins who roam around with pit bull type dogs should also be sterilised. They think they are so hard parading these dogs around, but they just look as thick as their dogs.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....[/p][/quote]Completely agree. The tattooed, shaven headed cretins who roam around with pit bull type dogs should also be sterilised. They think they are so hard parading these dogs around, but they just look as thick as their dogs. livid99
  • Score: 11

3:22pm Thu 8 May 14

Portlandgary says...

Bert Fry wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....
Maybe your own limited intellectual and imaginative resource leaves you unable to comprehend that most 'normal' people don't hold your own extreme views on dogs and the countryside. They are normal, you, clearly, are not.
Well said, totally agree.
I quite often take my dog to nature reserves and other places that are 'dog friendly' and yes he is kept on a lead and in my control at all times, and yes I clear up after him. I believe that is me acting in a 'normal' responsible manner? Being able to enjoy our beautiful countryside with other fellow responsible dog owners and likewise those that don't own dogs.
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....[/p][/quote]Maybe your own limited intellectual and imaginative resource leaves you unable to comprehend that most 'normal' people don't hold your own extreme views on dogs and the countryside. They are normal, you, clearly, are not.[/p][/quote]Well said, totally agree. I quite often take my dog to nature reserves and other places that are 'dog friendly' and yes he is kept on a lead and in my control at all times, and yes I clear up after him. I believe that is me acting in a 'normal' responsible manner? Being able to enjoy our beautiful countryside with other fellow responsible dog owners and likewise those that don't own dogs. Portlandgary
  • Score: 20

3:37pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

If taking a PERFECTLY fine species, the Grey or Timber Wolf, and turning it into a vast array of hodge-podge, multi-colored, squashed-face, wrinkle-headed, bastardised nightmares is *NORMAL*, then no, I'm delighted not to be !! This land was once FULL of INTERESTING species (commonly referred to as *Wildlife*), long before we chimpanzee vermin paddled across *the Sleeve* from the France. If you climb the highest hill you can find, and look in every direction, what you see was once virtually unbroken deciduous woodland. In it were Wolves, Lynxes, Bears, Wild Boar, possibly those gorgeous Wolverines, and about a thousand times more birds and other Wildlife than we now see. Most land has been stolen from the said Wildlife for our own largely useless purposes, reducing the numbers of all those interesting species that formerly inhabited estuaries (mostly now gone for the sake of TORY'S commerce,) and said woodland. The chimp population of Weymouth would be about right for the entire British Isles, the population of the British Isles about seventy times too big for sustainable existence on the entire planet. When I say *sustainable*, I mean if we were to behave as if Other Species mattered. No doubt you are a dogger, so we mustn't expect too much from the likes of you, in this particular department, must we ??
As regards your staggeringly ignorant and uninformed closing remark, I would refer you to Mark Twain: *Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.* Someone else also sagely observed: *It is no measure of mental health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.*
So - what are you saying - that, given all that our utterly worthless species has done to, and stolen from, Nature, we still have every right to terrorise, maim and destroy them in what little habitat they have left to live in ?? Is that it ??!!
If taking a PERFECTLY fine species, the Grey or Timber Wolf, and turning it into a vast array of hodge-podge, multi-colored, squashed-face, wrinkle-headed, bastardised nightmares is *NORMAL*, then no, I'm delighted not to be !! This land was once FULL of INTERESTING species (commonly referred to as *Wildlife*), long before we chimpanzee vermin paddled across *the Sleeve* from the France. If you climb the highest hill you can find, and look in every direction, what you see was once virtually unbroken deciduous woodland. In it were Wolves, Lynxes, Bears, Wild Boar, possibly those gorgeous Wolverines, and about a thousand times more birds and other Wildlife than we now see. Most land has been stolen from the said Wildlife for our own largely useless purposes, reducing the numbers of all those interesting species that formerly inhabited estuaries (mostly now gone for the sake of TORY'S commerce,) and said woodland. The chimp population of Weymouth would be about right for the entire British Isles, the population of the British Isles about seventy times too big for sustainable existence on the entire planet. When I say *sustainable*, I mean if we were to behave as if Other Species mattered. No doubt you are a dogger, so we mustn't expect too much from the likes of you, in this particular department, must we ?? As regards your staggeringly ignorant and uninformed closing remark, I would refer you to Mark Twain: *Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.* Someone else also sagely observed: *It is no measure of mental health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.* So - what are you saying - that, given all that our utterly worthless species has done to, and stolen from, Nature, we still have every right to terrorise, maim and destroy them in what little habitat they have left to live in ?? Is that it ??!! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -14

3:44pm Thu 8 May 14

Bert Fry says...

'No doubt you are a dogger' - err, no but I do have a dog if that's what you mean.
'No doubt you are a dogger' - err, no but I do have a dog if that's what you mean. Bert Fry
  • Score: 9

3:57pm Thu 8 May 14

Bert Fry says...

" So - what are you saying - that, given all that our utterly worthless species has done to, and stolen from, Nature, we still have every right to terrorise, maim and destroy them in what little habitat they have left to live in ?? Is that it ??!!"
No, what I am saying is that most normal people think that going for a walk in the woods with a pet is an inherently good thing.
To interpret this as exercising a right to terrorise, maim and destroy natural habitat merely demonstrates your tenuous grip on reality.
" So - what are you saying - that, given all that our utterly worthless species has done to, and stolen from, Nature, we still have every right to terrorise, maim and destroy them in what little habitat they have left to live in ?? Is that it ??!!" No, what I am saying is that most normal people think that going for a walk in the woods with a pet is an inherently good thing. To interpret this as exercising a right to terrorise, maim and destroy natural habitat merely demonstrates your tenuous grip on reality. Bert Fry
  • Score: 9

4:06pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

People who take dogs onto Nature Reserves and other public places sometimes like to refer to themselves as *responsible*, in that leads are at all times used - and I mean proper, non-extending ones - and that they always pick up after they've emptied their mutt. Whilst the philosophy behind picking up may be laudable, there are many places where someone may wish to sit or lie down, and once the offending turds have been removed, there is little sign that they were ever there, with the unfortunate effect that people may easily sit on the spot, getting deposits that remained in the grass on their hands or clothing. No doubt other, normal, dogless persons have no right to wish to sit on the grass, in the eyes of that selfish coterie known as doggers. The same thought occurs to me when I want to photograph some small wayside item such as a flower or insect - in the doggers' minds, people have no right to take an intelligent interest in Nature, or to want to record their discoveries, so it's fine to allow their genetically-modified Wolf to dump on the verge.
If, as I have suggested, people were tested at, say, eight, then again at 12 and once more before leaving school, to find out whether their brains are fully-functioning - demonstrated by a burning curiosity about the universe, evolution and Nature - I am frequently driven to wonder how high a score doggers would achieve. Not very much, in most cases, I suspect - even though they appear to think that keeping company with a pathetically aberrant GM Wolf somehow gives them a hotline straight to Mother Nature !!
People who take dogs onto Nature Reserves and other public places sometimes like to refer to themselves as *responsible*, in that leads are at all times used - and I mean proper, non-extending ones - and that they always pick up after they've emptied their mutt. Whilst the philosophy behind picking up may be laudable, there are many places where someone may wish to sit or lie down, and once the offending turds have been removed, there is little sign that they were ever there, with the unfortunate effect that people may easily sit on the spot, getting deposits that remained in the grass on their hands or clothing. No doubt other, normal, dogless persons have no right to wish to sit on the grass, in the eyes of that selfish coterie known as doggers. The same thought occurs to me when I want to photograph some small wayside item such as a flower or insect - in the doggers' minds, people have no right to take an intelligent interest in Nature, or to want to record their discoveries, so it's fine to allow their genetically-modified Wolf to dump on the verge. If, as I have suggested, people were tested at, say, eight, then again at 12 and once more before leaving school, to find out whether their brains are fully-functioning - demonstrated by a burning curiosity about the universe, evolution and Nature - I am frequently driven to wonder how high a score doggers would achieve. Not very much, in most cases, I suspect - even though they appear to think that keeping company with a pathetically aberrant GM Wolf somehow gives them a hotline straight to Mother Nature !! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -17

4:18pm Thu 8 May 14

j.brown says...

I used to walk our springer spaniel down the path from the national trust car park to the beach after work sometimes after sunset. One day I was aware of large animals near me in the dark. I had walked into a group of large cows. There had been no warning at the gate and thr field was usually empty. We returned to the car safely
I used to walk our springer spaniel down the path from the national trust car park to the beach after work sometimes after sunset. One day I was aware of large animals near me in the dark. I had walked into a group of large cows. There had been no warning at the gate and thr field was usually empty. We returned to the car safely j.brown
  • Score: -4

4:48pm Thu 8 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....
Is this the same nutter who was championing PETA a few articles back and declaring all human beings scum and calling us "speciest"

So you are just being "Dogist" then are you?
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I know of someone, a good while back, who let their dog just run loose on land THEY didn't own and they never saw it again - alive, that is - and quite right, too !! Lowlife have lurchers especially for hunting Deer, and that is probably the truth of what happened in the case of the Roe buck at Lynch Cove a few years ago. Dogs need to be kept the hell OUT of the countryside and ALL beaches, whether in town or remote - no-one wants to be bothered by other people's dogs when they are using the beach or TRYING to enjoy the countryside - and neither does Wildlife, whose country it also is. Laws should be enacted requiring ALL dogs to be sterilized - that would sort all of our problems, dog-wise, within a few years. In the US, they have special *Dog Parks* where people can go to empty their mutts, and allowing them on, for example, Nature Reserves, is rightly illegal. In our GROSSLY overpopulated country, one gets the distinct feeling that some people get up in the morning and say: "WHAT a lovely day - let's go out and completely ruin it for all the *normal* people out there !!* Being of somewhat limited intellectual and imaginative resources, they all appear to be unable to follow their proposed actions through to what could well be its unfortunate conclusion....[/p][/quote]Is this the same nutter who was championing PETA a few articles back and declaring all human beings scum and calling us "speciest" So you are just being "Dogist" then are you? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Thu 8 May 14

MaidofDorset says...

We saw the carcass of a large deer at the bottom of a local cliff recently in a favoured dog walking area. Wondered if it had been chased and gone over.
We saw the carcass of a large deer at the bottom of a local cliff recently in a favoured dog walking area. Wondered if it had been chased and gone over. MaidofDorset
  • Score: 4

5:09pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Oh, probably - nothing matters to selfish doggers but themselves!!
@ Sigurd the Moron: I deplore Animals that have been genetically-modified by we chimps - nothing wrong with the Timber Wolf, in fact I'd LOVE to see them back in the UK, AFTER we reintroduce the Lynx, of course !! You CAN'T improve on Nature - though trying to get THAT little gem of wisdom through to the country who invented such nonsense as football is, perhaps, **** in the wind !! Wolves, at least, don't STINK, unlike most dogs (according to a Witch I knew, who entered a Wolf-pen at a sanctuary whilst on a university lecture tour of Amerika). Also, how would a lady dogger react if I went up to her on all fours and thrust MY nose into HER crotch - would that be acceptable, I wonder ??
Oh, probably - nothing matters to selfish doggers but themselves!! @ Sigurd the Moron: I deplore Animals that have been genetically-modified by we chimps - nothing wrong with the Timber Wolf, in fact I'd LOVE to see them back in the UK, AFTER we reintroduce the Lynx, of course !! You CAN'T improve on Nature - though trying to get THAT little gem of wisdom through to the country who invented such nonsense as football is, perhaps, **** in the wind !! Wolves, at least, don't STINK, unlike most dogs (according to a Witch I knew, who entered a Wolf-pen at a sanctuary whilst on a university lecture tour of Amerika). Also, how would a lady dogger react if I went up to her on all fours and thrust MY nose into HER crotch - would that be acceptable, I wonder ?? Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -14

5:11pm Thu 8 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Oh, probably - nothing matters to selfish doggers but themselves!!
@ Sigurd the Moron: I deplore Animals that have been genetically-modified by we chimps - nothing wrong with the Timber Wolf, in fact I'd LOVE to see them back in the UK, AFTER we reintroduce the Lynx, of course !! You CAN'T improve on Nature - though trying to get THAT little gem of wisdom through to the country who invented such nonsense as football is, perhaps, **** in the wind !! Wolves, at least, don't STINK, unlike most dogs (according to a Witch I knew, who entered a Wolf-pen at a sanctuary whilst on a university lecture tour of Amerika). Also, how would a lady dogger react if I went up to her on all fours and thrust MY nose into HER crotch - would that be acceptable, I wonder ??
I bet you got a dream catcher and everything.....
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Oh, probably - nothing matters to selfish doggers but themselves!! @ Sigurd the Moron: I deplore Animals that have been genetically-modified by we chimps - nothing wrong with the Timber Wolf, in fact I'd LOVE to see them back in the UK, AFTER we reintroduce the Lynx, of course !! You CAN'T improve on Nature - though trying to get THAT little gem of wisdom through to the country who invented such nonsense as football is, perhaps, **** in the wind !! Wolves, at least, don't STINK, unlike most dogs (according to a Witch I knew, who entered a Wolf-pen at a sanctuary whilst on a university lecture tour of Amerika). Also, how would a lady dogger react if I went up to her on all fours and thrust MY nose into HER crotch - would that be acceptable, I wonder ??[/p][/quote]I bet you got a dream catcher and everything..... Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 11

5:34pm Thu 8 May 14

Portlandgary says...

Someone on here has real major issues!
Someone on here has real major issues! Portlandgary
  • Score: 15

5:39pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Nope, Sigurd, I don't - but I COULD ID most, if not all, of what I see in the countryside - could YOU ?? How about 20 common flowers, and the same number of birds, and mammals - how would you stack up on that - bearing in mind that the Scout's Tenderfoot badge only required HALF that number, if I recall correctly !!
Nope, Sigurd, I don't - but I COULD ID most, if not all, of what I see in the countryside - could YOU ?? How about 20 common flowers, and the same number of birds, and mammals - how would you stack up on that - bearing in mind that the Scout's Tenderfoot badge only required HALF that number, if I recall correctly !! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -17

5:39pm Thu 8 May 14

OhTheIrony! says...

Maybe the owner needs to learn to read and comply with the rules of the warning signs or read a bit more into the hunting instinct of the Lurcher. She blatantly didn't care about the suffering of the deer and in my opinion people like her should not own an animal if they do not care about the welfare of either their pet or any wild animal. I hope she feels ashamed of her behaviour and ignorance.
Maybe the owner needs to learn to read and comply with the rules of the warning signs or read a bit more into the hunting instinct of the Lurcher. She blatantly didn't care about the suffering of the deer and in my opinion people like her should not own an animal if they do not care about the welfare of either their pet or any wild animal. I hope she feels ashamed of her behaviour and ignorance. OhTheIrony!
  • Score: 14

5:59pm Thu 8 May 14

Jimmytheone says...

I have heard that the Echo censor some posts. I wonder if the Old Bill ever has a look?? Because there are some people posting here that have serious issues that should seek help.
I have heard that the Echo censor some posts. I wonder if the Old Bill ever has a look?? Because there are some people posting here that have serious issues that should seek help. Jimmytheone
  • Score: 10

5:59pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Good thing I didn't see this happen, or this ignoramus AND her vile dog would be WAY past the feeling and caring stage !! ;-)
Good thing I didn't see this happen, or this ignoramus AND her vile dog would be WAY past the feeling and caring stage !! ;-) Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -7

6:03pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Good thinking, sub-lieutenant (Jimmytheone!!) - people who put Wildlife after their OWN selfish interests DEFINITELY need education. Bit like carnists, I suppose !! ;-)
Good thinking, sub-lieutenant (Jimmytheone!!) - people who put Wildlife after their OWN selfish interests DEFINITELY need education. Bit like carnists, I suppose !! ;-) Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -5

6:27pm Thu 8 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Nope, Sigurd, I don't - but I COULD ID most, if not all, of what I see in the countryside - could YOU ?? How about 20 common flowers, and the same number of birds, and mammals - how would you stack up on that - bearing in mind that the Scout's Tenderfoot badge only required HALF that number, if I recall correctly !!
Yeah i imagine i could do that. Though being it is the 21st century and I am not some tree worshiping mental case I have little use for it in daily life. Anyway, how come you are on the internet using that device all invented by us smelly apes? Why don't you come back when a tortoise has made you a smartphone, or when the Lithium has kicked in, then we will see who's right.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Nope, Sigurd, I don't - but I COULD ID most, if not all, of what I see in the countryside - could YOU ?? How about 20 common flowers, and the same number of birds, and mammals - how would you stack up on that - bearing in mind that the Scout's Tenderfoot badge only required HALF that number, if I recall correctly !![/p][/quote]Yeah i imagine i could do that. Though being it is the 21st century and I am not some tree worshiping mental case I have little use for it in daily life. Anyway, how come you are on the internet using that device all invented by us smelly apes? Why don't you come back when a tortoise has made you a smartphone, or when the Lithium has kicked in, then we will see who's right. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 5

7:19pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Nothing wrong with a little healthy tree-love, amigo - the Cherokees clung, screaming and crying, to their trees, as the evil whiteyman tore them away on the forced march to distant parts still remembered to this day as the *Trail of Tears*. Don't forget, the Amerindians are/were about as good as our species ever got, with the POSSIBLE exception of the ancient Minoans. So, what are you soulless retards telling us - that if we care about our own species, you find that acceptable, but we're not entitled to love OTHER people, in the form of birds, mammals, reptiles, insects, plants, et ketera, to anything like the same degree - or even at all ?? Why are you apparently quite complacent about the savaging of this hapless Deer - is it *ONLY AN ANIMAL*?? What if it had been someone's offspring - would you view it differently in that case ?? There's no earthly reason why you should, always assuming that you've employed UNBIASED logik to the situation. I rather fancy that unbiased logik is something you don't do - doubtless its beyond what you are pleased to regard as your intellectual resources. I recommend prolonged study of Peter Singer's *Animal Liberation* and *Practical Ethics* - THEN come back and bandy your puerile words with me !! The question should not be *Can he/she speak English* (and therefore, by THAT sort of logik, be worthy of consideration), but *Can he/she feel pain *??
Nothing wrong with a little healthy tree-love, amigo - the Cherokees clung, screaming and crying, to their trees, as the evil whiteyman tore them away on the forced march to distant parts still remembered to this day as the *Trail of Tears*. Don't forget, the Amerindians are/were about as good as our species ever got, with the POSSIBLE exception of the ancient Minoans. So, what are you soulless retards telling us - that if we care about our own species, you find that acceptable, but we're not entitled to love OTHER people, in the form of birds, mammals, reptiles, insects, plants, et ketera, to anything like the same degree - or even at all ?? Why are you apparently quite complacent about the savaging of this hapless Deer - is it *ONLY AN ANIMAL*?? What if it had been someone's offspring - would you view it differently in that case ?? There's no earthly reason why you should, always assuming that you've employed UNBIASED logik to the situation. I rather fancy that unbiased logik is something you don't do - doubtless its beyond what you are pleased to regard as your intellectual resources. I recommend prolonged study of Peter Singer's *Animal Liberation* and *Practical Ethics* - THEN come back and bandy your puerile words with me !! The question should not be *Can he/she speak English* (and therefore, by THAT sort of logik, be worthy of consideration), but *Can he/she feel pain *?? Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -10

8:07pm Thu 8 May 14

Bert Fry says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Good thing I didn't see this happen, or this ignoramus AND her vile dog would be WAY past the feeling and caring stage !! ;-)
Why, what exactly would you do to the dog and its owner?
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Good thing I didn't see this happen, or this ignoramus AND her vile dog would be WAY past the feeling and caring stage !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Why, what exactly would you do to the dog and its owner? Bert Fry
  • Score: 5

9:51pm Thu 8 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

"Torpedoes hit !! Close outer doors, down periscope, bow-planes hard down, dive, dive, dive !!" :-) :-)
"Torpedoes hit !! Close outer doors, down periscope, bow-planes hard down, dive, dive, dive !!" :-) :-) Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -10

6:10pm Fri 9 May 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

Sorry, dog, deer, who cares. Why have comments on the ninja been pulled? I'm commenting here in protest. That story is lathe greatest story the echo has ever mustered...
Sorry, dog, deer, who cares. Why have comments on the ninja been pulled? I'm commenting here in protest. That story is lathe greatest story the echo has ever mustered... Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: 0

9:54am Sat 10 May 14

Jimbobp says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little healthy tree-love, amigo - the Cherokees clung, screaming and crying, to their trees, as the evil whiteyman tore them away on the forced march to distant parts still remembered to this day as the *Trail of Tears*. Don't forget, the Amerindians are/were about as good as our species ever got, with the POSSIBLE exception of the ancient Minoans. So, what are you soulless retards telling us - that if we care about our own species, you find that acceptable, but we're not entitled to love OTHER people, in the form of birds, mammals, reptiles, insects, plants, et ketera, to anything like the same degree - or even at all ?? Why are you apparently quite complacent about the savaging of this hapless Deer - is it *ONLY AN ANIMAL*?? What if it had been someone's offspring - would you view it differently in that case ?? There's no earthly reason why you should, always assuming that you've employed UNBIASED logik to the situation. I rather fancy that unbiased logik is something you don't do - doubtless its beyond what you are pleased to regard as your intellectual resources. I recommend prolonged study of Peter Singer's *Animal Liberation* and *Practical Ethics* - THEN come back and bandy your puerile words with me !! The question should not be *Can he/she speak English* (and therefore, by THAT sort of logik, be worthy of consideration), but *Can he/she feel pain *??
So am i right in thinking you feel this way about other animals that have natural instincts to hunt??? like domestic cats,wild cats, birds of prey, ferrets, foxes shall we just get rid of all animals that hunt? NOT ALL DOGS ARE LIKE THIS in fact in many cases its the owners that need educating not the dog, i have a dog and i am a responsible owner, as for your comment about sitting on the ground where dog poo has been, what about the thousands of other wild species that do their business where you would like to sit? shall we exterminate them to?
You my friend need to pop that little bubble you live in and step out in to the real world.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with a little healthy tree-love, amigo - the Cherokees clung, screaming and crying, to their trees, as the evil whiteyman tore them away on the forced march to distant parts still remembered to this day as the *Trail of Tears*. Don't forget, the Amerindians are/were about as good as our species ever got, with the POSSIBLE exception of the ancient Minoans. So, what are you soulless retards telling us - that if we care about our own species, you find that acceptable, but we're not entitled to love OTHER people, in the form of birds, mammals, reptiles, insects, plants, et ketera, to anything like the same degree - or even at all ?? Why are you apparently quite complacent about the savaging of this hapless Deer - is it *ONLY AN ANIMAL*?? What if it had been someone's offspring - would you view it differently in that case ?? There's no earthly reason why you should, always assuming that you've employed UNBIASED logik to the situation. I rather fancy that unbiased logik is something you don't do - doubtless its beyond what you are pleased to regard as your intellectual resources. I recommend prolonged study of Peter Singer's *Animal Liberation* and *Practical Ethics* - THEN come back and bandy your puerile words with me !! The question should not be *Can he/she speak English* (and therefore, by THAT sort of logik, be worthy of consideration), but *Can he/she feel pain *??[/p][/quote]So am i right in thinking you feel this way about other animals that have natural instincts to hunt??? like domestic cats,wild cats, birds of prey, ferrets, foxes shall we just get rid of all animals that hunt? NOT ALL DOGS ARE LIKE THIS in fact in many cases its the owners that need educating not the dog, i have a dog and i am a responsible owner, as for your comment about sitting on the ground where dog poo has been, what about the thousands of other wild species that do their business where you would like to sit? shall we exterminate them to? You my friend need to pop that little bubble you live in and step out in to the real world. Jimbobp
  • Score: 1

9:54am Sat 10 May 14

Jimbobp says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little healthy tree-love, amigo - the Cherokees clung, screaming and crying, to their trees, as the evil whiteyman tore them away on the forced march to distant parts still remembered to this day as the *Trail of Tears*. Don't forget, the Amerindians are/were about as good as our species ever got, with the POSSIBLE exception of the ancient Minoans. So, what are you soulless retards telling us - that if we care about our own species, you find that acceptable, but we're not entitled to love OTHER people, in the form of birds, mammals, reptiles, insects, plants, et ketera, to anything like the same degree - or even at all ?? Why are you apparently quite complacent about the savaging of this hapless Deer - is it *ONLY AN ANIMAL*?? What if it had been someone's offspring - would you view it differently in that case ?? There's no earthly reason why you should, always assuming that you've employed UNBIASED logik to the situation. I rather fancy that unbiased logik is something you don't do - doubtless its beyond what you are pleased to regard as your intellectual resources. I recommend prolonged study of Peter Singer's *Animal Liberation* and *Practical Ethics* - THEN come back and bandy your puerile words with me !! The question should not be *Can he/she speak English* (and therefore, by THAT sort of logik, be worthy of consideration), but *Can he/she feel pain *??
So am i right in thinking you feel this way about other animals that have natural instincts to hunt??? like domestic cats,wild cats, birds of prey, ferrets, foxes shall we just get rid of all animals that hunt? NOT ALL DOGS ARE LIKE THIS in fact in many cases its the owners that need educating not the dog, i have a dog and i am a responsible owner, as for your comment about sitting on the ground where dog poo has been, what about the thousands of other wild species that do their business where you would like to sit? shall we exterminate them to?
You my friend need to pop that little bubble you live in and step out in to the real world.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with a little healthy tree-love, amigo - the Cherokees clung, screaming and crying, to their trees, as the evil whiteyman tore them away on the forced march to distant parts still remembered to this day as the *Trail of Tears*. Don't forget, the Amerindians are/were about as good as our species ever got, with the POSSIBLE exception of the ancient Minoans. So, what are you soulless retards telling us - that if we care about our own species, you find that acceptable, but we're not entitled to love OTHER people, in the form of birds, mammals, reptiles, insects, plants, et ketera, to anything like the same degree - or even at all ?? Why are you apparently quite complacent about the savaging of this hapless Deer - is it *ONLY AN ANIMAL*?? What if it had been someone's offspring - would you view it differently in that case ?? There's no earthly reason why you should, always assuming that you've employed UNBIASED logik to the situation. I rather fancy that unbiased logik is something you don't do - doubtless its beyond what you are pleased to regard as your intellectual resources. I recommend prolonged study of Peter Singer's *Animal Liberation* and *Practical Ethics* - THEN come back and bandy your puerile words with me !! The question should not be *Can he/she speak English* (and therefore, by THAT sort of logik, be worthy of consideration), but *Can he/she feel pain *??[/p][/quote]So am i right in thinking you feel this way about other animals that have natural instincts to hunt??? like domestic cats,wild cats, birds of prey, ferrets, foxes shall we just get rid of all animals that hunt? NOT ALL DOGS ARE LIKE THIS in fact in many cases its the owners that need educating not the dog, i have a dog and i am a responsible owner, as for your comment about sitting on the ground where dog poo has been, what about the thousands of other wild species that do their business where you would like to sit? shall we exterminate them to? You my friend need to pop that little bubble you live in and step out in to the real world. Jimbobp
  • Score: 1

11:20am Sat 10 May 14

marabout says...

I wonder how many of the comments on here are from people who eat meat.

Remember that if you eat meat then you are very likely eating Halal meat.

If you are unsure what halal meat is the please google

The Cruelty of Halal Meat

I warn you though, that the video you may watch is very graphic and very disturbing.
I wonder how many of the comments on here are from people who eat meat. Remember that if you eat meat then you are very likely eating Halal meat. If you are unsure what halal meat is the please google The Cruelty of Halal Meat I warn you though, that the video you may watch is very graphic and very disturbing. marabout
  • Score: 1

3:15pm Mon 12 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!*

*If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!*
Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!* *If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!* Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -2

8:47pm Mon 12 May 14

JackJohnson says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!*

*If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!*
The Earth will not die. It will, however, heal itself by getting rid of a couple of billion parasites.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!* *If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!*[/p][/quote]The Earth will not die. It will, however, heal itself by getting rid of a couple of billion parasites. JackJohnson
  • Score: 0

9:33pm Mon 12 May 14

Jimbobp says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!*

*If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!*
You do realise that you are one of these chimps that you keep talking about? I would say without dogs we would be in serious trouble they are very clever animals look at the good work they do for visually impaired people helping them live a normal life, sniffer dogs for the police detecting anything from drugs to guns, the armed forces in detecting explosives in war zones, the countless farmers that own working farm dogs. They are very clever animals in some cases I think they are cleverer than certain some humans.
My dog is a gun dog breed and to see him working when we shoot is an amazing sight, perhaps you'd like to come along and watch him working and see if I can change your view on dogs?
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!* *If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!*[/p][/quote]You do realise that you are one of these chimps that you keep talking about? I would say without dogs we would be in serious trouble they are very clever animals look at the good work they do for visually impaired people helping them live a normal life, sniffer dogs for the police detecting anything from drugs to guns, the armed forces in detecting explosives in war zones, the countless farmers that own working farm dogs. They are very clever animals in some cases I think they are cleverer than certain some humans. My dog is a gun dog breed and to see him working when we shoot is an amazing sight, perhaps you'd like to come along and watch him working and see if I can change your view on dogs? Jimbobp
  • Score: 0

8:55am Tue 13 May 14

JackJohnson says...

Jimbobp wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!*

*If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!*
You do realise that you are one of these chimps that you keep talking about? I would say without dogs we would be in serious trouble they are very clever animals look at the good work they do for visually impaired people helping them live a normal life, sniffer dogs for the police detecting anything from drugs to guns, the armed forces in detecting explosives in war zones, the countless farmers that own working farm dogs. They are very clever animals in some cases I think they are cleverer than certain some humans.
My dog is a gun dog breed and to see him working when we shoot is an amazing sight, perhaps you'd like to come along and watch him working and see if I can change your view on dogs?
Some dogs are smarter than many people. I could give anecdotal evidence of a dog who clearly thought through a situation, then acted in ways we never taught him. In fact, he was just helping a member of his 'pack', but it was certainly a remarkable sight.

However, sniffer dogs may not be as smart as you think They are trained to use their natural senses to earn a reward (either a few minutes playing with a toy, or a snack) by responding to certain smells. Similar Pavlovian techniques can be used to train bees to detect bombs.
[quote][p][bold]Jimbobp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with proper, Wild Animals having instinct to hunt - they are doing a VITAL job in maintaining the healthy running of the ecosystem, balancing herbivores against the amount of available plant food - that's how Nature works. Checks and balances. THAT is the REAL world, before it was trashed and degraded by we aberrant chimps and our corrupticians' governments. Dogsiht is THE most objectionable form of that waste product - one can sit on Deer or Rabbit currants without mishap - OR feelings of intense disgust & anger. Incidentally, after decades of switching between being a veggie and being a necrovore, I finally settled on the former, after the many unconscionable photographs and vids I've seen online. I must say, though, in response to an earlier comment, that people go out into the countryside and woodland/heathland to get AWAY from other chimps, to restore their batteries in the SANE world of Nature. Someone said *You're never more than six feet away from a Rat !!* To which I would add: *And you're never more than ten feet from another chimp !!* *If the Earth dies, you die - if YOU die, the Earth will survive !!*[/p][/quote]You do realise that you are one of these chimps that you keep talking about? I would say without dogs we would be in serious trouble they are very clever animals look at the good work they do for visually impaired people helping them live a normal life, sniffer dogs for the police detecting anything from drugs to guns, the armed forces in detecting explosives in war zones, the countless farmers that own working farm dogs. They are very clever animals in some cases I think they are cleverer than certain some humans. My dog is a gun dog breed and to see him working when we shoot is an amazing sight, perhaps you'd like to come along and watch him working and see if I can change your view on dogs?[/p][/quote]Some dogs are smarter than many people. I could give anecdotal evidence of a dog who clearly thought through a situation, then acted in ways we never taught him. In fact, he was just helping a member of his 'pack', but it was certainly a remarkable sight. However, sniffer dogs may not be as smart as you think They are trained to use their natural senses to earn a reward (either a few minutes playing with a toy, or a snack) by responding to certain smells. Similar Pavlovian techniques can be used to train bees to detect bombs. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

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