WITH VIDEO: Protesters march against badger culls

WITH VIDEO: Protesters march against badger culls

WITH VIDEO: Protesters march against badger culls

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A CRY rang out above Dorchester as hundreds gathered to protest against badger culls.

Organisers of the peaceful march say they want to help farmers tackle the spread of bovine TB through methods that don’t mean badgers have to die.

Shoppers looked on as between 400 to 500 people from across the country marched through High West Street and South Street.

Town crier Alistair Chisholm joined in by giving an anti-badger cull cry.

Although the possibility of culls in Dorset has been put on hold until 2015, protesting groups say the public needs to stay on top of what is going on.

They say there is ‘growing public feeling’ against badger culls.

Andrew Butler, from Dorset for Badger and Bovine Welfare said: “MP Owen Paterson has been very clear that he wanted to roll the cull out to 10 counties and we have very clear indications that Dorset is at the top of the list.

“The government hasn’t been able to roll out the culls because the trials have been a complete and utter failure.

“It had no option but to stop the roll-out but that doesn’t mean they aren’t going to try next year.

“We feel the best course of action is to be prepared.

“Events like today are about keeping the public in the loop about what is going on and promote the badger vaccination programme.”

He said teams of volunteers are signing up to train to vaccinate badgers so that they can help Dorset farmers if they decide it is ‘a real and effective alternative’ to the cull.

People came from Bristol, Gloucester, Somerset and the New Forest to join in the march.

The protesters said they want better control of livestock, more rigorous TB testing and vaccination as an alternative to the badger cull.

They argue that vaccination is more effective and Dominic Dyer, chairman of the Badger Trust, said TB rates in cattle in Wales have dropped 48 percent over the last five years using these methods.

He gave a speech to crowds in the middle of South Street and later told the Echo: “This is the 17th march we’ve had around the country in six months.

“Many people here have never marched before but feel so passionate about this issue they want to make their voices heard.

“We want to bring this issue to the attention to people around the country; this is the biggest rallying wildlife campaign in Europe.”

Mr Dyer said that many of the MPs who voted for a cull have now changed their minds and some have been to see the work that was being done on alternatives to the cull.

Farmers in Dorset say the county could lose its dairy farming industry if steps are not taken to tackle the spread of TB. 

As reported in the Echo, president of the National Farmers' Union Meurig Raymond said it would be doubling its efforts to lobby the government. 

His words came after NFU Dorset chairman Paul Gould discovered around a quarter of his in-calf animals would have to be slaughtered after contracting the disease.

 

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3:42pm Sat 17 May 14

rogerout says...

Another Town and again the same message to Government, start taking note of Public opinion. Every single person wants to see the long term Eradication of Bovine TB.in Cattle and Wildlife.
But agrees with the Independent Experts Panel that the Cull was " ineffective and Inhumane.In short it Failed was controversial and expensive.
Science has been bypassed by politics in ENGLAND. It must now adopt a Science based Humane way forward and end the killing of Wildlife. NOT Next year -- but NOW.
Another Town and again the same message to Government, start taking note of Public opinion. Every single person wants to see the long term Eradication of Bovine TB.in Cattle and Wildlife. But agrees with the Independent Experts Panel that the Cull was " ineffective and Inhumane.In short it Failed was controversial and expensive. Science has been bypassed by politics in ENGLAND. It must now adopt a Science based Humane way forward and end the killing of Wildlife. NOT Next year -- but NOW. rogerout
  • Score: 35

4:42pm Sat 17 May 14

marabout says...

I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense.

I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on.

So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?
I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense. I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on. So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ? marabout
  • Score: -21

5:10pm Sat 17 May 14

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

Whereabouts should we go to see this 'cry' in the sky above Dorchester. Is it going to be a permanent feature cos I didn't know to look for it today, will it still be there tomorrow and the following days?
I agree with marabout's comments above. The badgers together with gulls (seagulls) and other pests should be got rid of.
Whereabouts should we go to see this 'cry' in the sky above Dorchester. Is it going to be a permanent feature cos I didn't know to look for it today, will it still be there tomorrow and the following days? I agree with marabout's comments above. The badgers together with gulls (seagulls) and other pests should be got rid of. IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
  • Score: -11

5:14pm Sat 17 May 14

rogerout says...

Marabout-- you also have to wonder in your world whether some humans contribute in any way to the world , and the environment we live in. After all you cant eat them any longer, sit on them or wear them. But I agree why mess with science and the development of any humane cure for an infectious disease whether in animals or humans. Just kill them and inhumanely at that.
In this case Science has advanced and gives you the choice, lets progress for the benefit of others following us. Many of the public have indicated their choice on this, having seen what the Politicians have achieved so far.
Marabout-- you also have to wonder in your world whether some humans contribute in any way to the world , and the environment we live in. After all you cant eat them any longer, sit on them or wear them. But I agree why mess with science and the development of any humane cure for an infectious disease whether in animals or humans. Just kill them and inhumanely at that. In this case Science has advanced and gives you the choice, lets progress for the benefit of others following us. Many of the public have indicated their choice on this, having seen what the Politicians have achieved so far. rogerout
  • Score: 27

5:23pm Sat 17 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Other Species are not here for OUR convenience - apart from the sheer JOY sight of them gives to all non-retards. Why should Badgers feel obliged to contribute ANYTHING to hominid needs (we aren't 'human' - that's the Northern Cheyennes you were thinking of - WE'RE just a virus with shoes)
I often wonder whether posters of these anti- Nature comments are the same ones who asked *What use are Bats ??* when the so-called *relief* road was being debated. Bats are about a million times more miraculous than we dull, boring, uninteresting chimps could EVER be, if we lived forever (Goddess forbid !!!!) Built-in sonar, wings made of a thin membrane stretched across elongated fingers - WOW - fascinating !!
Natural History is, without doubt, the most fun you can have with your clothes on, and, as one sage Amerikan Indian observed, *When all the Animals are gone, man will suffer from a great loneliness of spirit !!* I agree, and if people would but give Wild creatures a chance, they can become your friends. A dog is no substitute for a Wild creature with whom you are on friendly terms, and kicking a bladder of air around a field with 21 other grown men isn't going to help, either - for your spiritual health, you MUST have Nature !! Currently, Wildlife mistrusts us because we are perceived to be the killers - the evil ones - but once you take the first step towards treating your fellow tenants on this planet as your EQUALS, as living beings rather than THINGS, they will respond, gradually. Some Great Tits, who have been coming to my garden for peanuts, would originally flee when they saw me outside my rez. - but I spoke gently to them, and over a period of time, they have now come to trust me so much they'll sit on my fence, about eight feet away, pecking at their peanuts. No doubt they'll become even more confiding in the fullness of time..
Other Species are not here for OUR convenience - apart from the sheer JOY sight of them gives to all non-retards. Why should Badgers feel obliged to contribute ANYTHING to hominid needs (we aren't 'human' - that's the Northern Cheyennes you were thinking of - WE'RE just a virus with shoes) I often wonder whether posters of these anti- Nature comments are the same ones who asked *What use are Bats ??* when the so-called *relief* road was being debated. Bats are about a million times more miraculous than we dull, boring, uninteresting chimps could EVER be, if we lived forever (Goddess forbid !!!!) Built-in sonar, wings made of a thin membrane stretched across elongated fingers - WOW - fascinating !! Natural History is, without doubt, the most fun you can have with your clothes on, and, as one sage Amerikan Indian observed, *When all the Animals are gone, man will suffer from a great loneliness of spirit !!* I agree, and if people would but give Wild creatures a chance, they can become your friends. A dog is no substitute for a Wild creature with whom you are on friendly terms, and kicking a bladder of air around a field with 21 other grown men isn't going to help, either - for your spiritual health, you MUST have Nature !! Currently, Wildlife mistrusts us because we are perceived to be the killers - the evil ones - but once you take the first step towards treating your fellow tenants on this planet as your EQUALS, as living beings rather than THINGS, they will respond, gradually. Some Great Tits, who have been coming to my garden for peanuts, would originally flee when they saw me outside my rez. - but I spoke gently to them, and over a period of time, they have now come to trust me so much they'll sit on my fence, about eight feet away, pecking at their peanuts. No doubt they'll become even more confiding in the fullness of time.. Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 8

5:25pm Sat 17 May 14

JamesYoung says...

rogerout wrote:
Marabout-- you also have to wonder in your world whether some humans contribute in any way to the world , and the environment we live in. After all you cant eat them any longer, sit on them or wear them. But I agree why mess with science and the development of any humane cure for an infectious disease whether in animals or humans. Just kill them and inhumanely at that.
In this case Science has advanced and gives you the choice, lets progress for the benefit of others following us. Many of the public have indicated their choice on this, having seen what the Politicians have achieved so far.
Hear hear. We could solve a lot of problems in the world by halving the population.
[quote][p][bold]rogerout[/bold] wrote: Marabout-- you also have to wonder in your world whether some humans contribute in any way to the world , and the environment we live in. After all you cant eat them any longer, sit on them or wear them. But I agree why mess with science and the development of any humane cure for an infectious disease whether in animals or humans. Just kill them and inhumanely at that. In this case Science has advanced and gives you the choice, lets progress for the benefit of others following us. Many of the public have indicated their choice on this, having seen what the Politicians have achieved so far.[/p][/quote]Hear hear. We could solve a lot of problems in the world by halving the population. JamesYoung
  • Score: 27

5:48pm Sat 17 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !!
I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Sat 17 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !!
When a badger comes and fixes my computer, i'll call it intelligent. When you stop living by your own hand instead of wishing it on everyone else , I will say you are a person of conviction who practices what they preach. Until then, you are someone in need of medication.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !![/p][/quote]When a badger comes and fixes my computer, i'll call it intelligent. When you stop living by your own hand instead of wishing it on everyone else , I will say you are a person of conviction who practices what they preach. Until then, you are someone in need of medication. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: -6

6:51pm Sat 17 May 14

marabout says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Other Species are not here for OUR convenience - apart from the sheer JOY sight of them gives to all non-retards. Why should Badgers feel obliged to contribute ANYTHING to hominid needs (we aren't 'human' - that's the Northern Cheyennes you were thinking of - WE'RE just a virus with shoes)
I often wonder whether posters of these anti- Nature comments are the same ones who asked *What use are Bats ??* when the so-called *relief* road was being debated. Bats are about a million times more miraculous than we dull, boring, uninteresting chimps could EVER be, if we lived forever (Goddess forbid !!!!) Built-in sonar, wings made of a thin membrane stretched across elongated fingers - WOW - fascinating !!
Natural History is, without doubt, the most fun you can have with your clothes on, and, as one sage Amerikan Indian observed, *When all the Animals are gone, man will suffer from a great loneliness of spirit !!* I agree, and if people would but give Wild creatures a chance, they can become your friends. A dog is no substitute for a Wild creature with whom you are on friendly terms, and kicking a bladder of air around a field with 21 other grown men isn't going to help, either - for your spiritual health, you MUST have Nature !! Currently, Wildlife mistrusts us because we are perceived to be the killers - the evil ones - but once you take the first step towards treating your fellow tenants on this planet as your EQUALS, as living beings rather than THINGS, they will respond, gradually. Some Great Tits, who have been coming to my garden for peanuts, would originally flee when they saw me outside my rez. - but I spoke gently to them, and over a period of time, they have now come to trust me so much they'll sit on my fence, about eight feet away, pecking at their peanuts. No doubt they'll become even more confiding in the fullness of time..
Rubbish - Bats are fun. They entertain us and scare us. Bats are fascinating and wonderful.

Badgers are smelly and disease ridden. Cull the lot of them.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Other Species are not here for OUR convenience - apart from the sheer JOY sight of them gives to all non-retards. Why should Badgers feel obliged to contribute ANYTHING to hominid needs (we aren't 'human' - that's the Northern Cheyennes you were thinking of - WE'RE just a virus with shoes) I often wonder whether posters of these anti- Nature comments are the same ones who asked *What use are Bats ??* when the so-called *relief* road was being debated. Bats are about a million times more miraculous than we dull, boring, uninteresting chimps could EVER be, if we lived forever (Goddess forbid !!!!) Built-in sonar, wings made of a thin membrane stretched across elongated fingers - WOW - fascinating !! Natural History is, without doubt, the most fun you can have with your clothes on, and, as one sage Amerikan Indian observed, *When all the Animals are gone, man will suffer from a great loneliness of spirit !!* I agree, and if people would but give Wild creatures a chance, they can become your friends. A dog is no substitute for a Wild creature with whom you are on friendly terms, and kicking a bladder of air around a field with 21 other grown men isn't going to help, either - for your spiritual health, you MUST have Nature !! Currently, Wildlife mistrusts us because we are perceived to be the killers - the evil ones - but once you take the first step towards treating your fellow tenants on this planet as your EQUALS, as living beings rather than THINGS, they will respond, gradually. Some Great Tits, who have been coming to my garden for peanuts, would originally flee when they saw me outside my rez. - but I spoke gently to them, and over a period of time, they have now come to trust me so much they'll sit on my fence, about eight feet away, pecking at their peanuts. No doubt they'll become even more confiding in the fullness of time..[/p][/quote]Rubbish - Bats are fun. They entertain us and scare us. Bats are fascinating and wonderful. Badgers are smelly and disease ridden. Cull the lot of them. marabout
  • Score: -13

6:53pm Sat 17 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Unfortunately for you, medication is of no avail - you CAN'T FIX STUPID - which is what you patently are !! YOU are typical of what Earth's problem is !! What do you do - sit around all day waiting for someone with a functioning brain and an ordinary sense of decency to speak for the *Voiceless*, then up you pop and start trolling them ?? If you had one single brain cell, it would die of loneliness - get a LIFE, you cret !!
Unfortunately for you, medication is of no avail - you CAN'T FIX STUPID - which is what you patently are !! YOU are typical of what Earth's problem is !! What do you do - sit around all day waiting for someone with a functioning brain and an ordinary sense of decency to speak for the *Voiceless*, then up you pop and start trolling them ?? If you had one single brain cell, it would die of loneliness - get a LIFE, you cret !! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -8

6:55pm Sat 17 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Unfortunately for you, medication is of no avail - you CAN'T FIX STUPID - which is what you patently are !! YOU are typical of what Earth's problem is !! What do you do - sit around all day waiting for someone with a functioning brain and an ordinary sense of decency to speak for the *Voiceless*, then up you pop and start trolling them ?? If you had one single brain cell, it would die of loneliness - get a LIFE, you cret !!
I think your answer says it all about your state of mind. Very damaged goods.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately for you, medication is of no avail - you CAN'T FIX STUPID - which is what you patently are !! YOU are typical of what Earth's problem is !! What do you do - sit around all day waiting for someone with a functioning brain and an ordinary sense of decency to speak for the *Voiceless*, then up you pop and start trolling them ?? If you had one single brain cell, it would die of loneliness - get a LIFE, you cret !![/p][/quote]I think your answer says it all about your state of mind. Very damaged goods. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 5

6:57pm Sat 17 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !!
Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -6

6:59pm Sat 17 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !!
Would you like some peanuts?
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !![/p][/quote]Would you like some peanuts? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 11

7:15pm Sat 17 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Yes, Sigurd the Moron - VERY damaged goods - damaged by people who *THINK* it's OK to keep on breeding more and more arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee GIGAvermin (we passed the vermin mark when our worldwide numbers exceeded ONE MILLION). My friend ST, in Galt, California, would call you an oxygen thief - a fickung waste of space - and SHE'D BE 100% right. If I'd ever thought breeding chimps was a worthwhile hobby, and I'd produced something ten times better than you, I'd have strangled it at birth !! DON'T blame ME for reacting to how YOU and retards of your ilk have made the cuntry and the world. YOU are the problem, I and my kind are the solution !! I am widely acknowledged to know just what's what in the world - everyone who's discussed things with me says the same. You, on the other hand, know doodley-squat about the REAL world, the world that sustains even an unappreciative pestilence such as yourself. Doubtless, when not trolling online, you sit in the corner of some hostelry quaffing ale and holding forth about the world as YOU think it is, seen through your dark little tunnel. I realise I'm wasting my valuable time discussing matters which are manifestly WAY beyond your ken - so I'll leave you to your dark little miserable world with this thought: *How come if you destroy something made by man, it's called VANDALISM, but if you destroy something made by Nature, it's called PROGRESS ??!!*
Yes, Sigurd the Moron - VERY damaged goods - damaged by people who *THINK* it's OK to keep on breeding more and more arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee GIGAvermin (we passed the vermin mark when our worldwide numbers exceeded ONE MILLION). My friend ST, in Galt, California, would call you an oxygen thief - a fickung waste of space - and SHE'D BE 100% right. If I'd ever thought breeding chimps was a worthwhile hobby, and I'd produced something ten times better than you, I'd have strangled it at birth !! DON'T blame ME for reacting to how YOU and retards of your ilk have made the cuntry and the world. YOU are the problem, I and my kind are the solution !! I am widely acknowledged to know just what's what in the world - everyone who's discussed things with me says the same. You, on the other hand, know doodley-squat about the REAL world, the world that sustains even an unappreciative pestilence such as yourself. Doubtless, when not trolling online, you sit in the corner of some hostelry quaffing ale and holding forth about the world as YOU think it is, seen through your dark little tunnel. I realise I'm wasting my valuable time discussing matters which are manifestly WAY beyond your ken - so I'll leave you to your dark little miserable world with this thought: *How come if you destroy something made by man, it's called VANDALISM, but if you destroy something made by Nature, it's called PROGRESS ??!!* Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -6

7:16pm Sat 17 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Yes, Sigurd the Moron - VERY damaged goods - damaged by people who *THINK* it's OK to keep on breeding more and more arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee GIGAvermin (we passed the vermin mark when our worldwide numbers exceeded ONE MILLION). My friend ST, in Galt, California, would call you an oxygen thief - a fickung waste of space - and SHE'D BE 100% right. If I'd ever thought breeding chimps was a worthwhile hobby, and I'd produced something ten times better than you, I'd have strangled it at birth !! DON'T blame ME for reacting to how YOU and retards of your ilk have made the cuntry and the world. YOU are the problem, I and my kind are the solution !! I am widely acknowledged to know just what's what in the world - everyone who's discussed things with me says the same. You, on the other hand, know doodley-squat about the REAL world, the world that sustains even an unappreciative pestilence such as yourself. Doubtless, when not trolling online, you sit in the corner of some hostelry quaffing ale and holding forth about the world as YOU think it is, seen through your dark little tunnel. I realise I'm wasting my valuable time discussing matters which are manifestly WAY beyond your ken - so I'll leave you to your dark little miserable world with this thought: *How come if you destroy something made by man, it's called VANDALISM, but if you destroy something made by Nature, it's called PROGRESS ??!!*
No peanuts then?
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Yes, Sigurd the Moron - VERY damaged goods - damaged by people who *THINK* it's OK to keep on breeding more and more arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee GIGAvermin (we passed the vermin mark when our worldwide numbers exceeded ONE MILLION). My friend ST, in Galt, California, would call you an oxygen thief - a fickung waste of space - and SHE'D BE 100% right. If I'd ever thought breeding chimps was a worthwhile hobby, and I'd produced something ten times better than you, I'd have strangled it at birth !! DON'T blame ME for reacting to how YOU and retards of your ilk have made the cuntry and the world. YOU are the problem, I and my kind are the solution !! I am widely acknowledged to know just what's what in the world - everyone who's discussed things with me says the same. You, on the other hand, know doodley-squat about the REAL world, the world that sustains even an unappreciative pestilence such as yourself. Doubtless, when not trolling online, you sit in the corner of some hostelry quaffing ale and holding forth about the world as YOU think it is, seen through your dark little tunnel. I realise I'm wasting my valuable time discussing matters which are manifestly WAY beyond your ken - so I'll leave you to your dark little miserable world with this thought: *How come if you destroy something made by man, it's called VANDALISM, but if you destroy something made by Nature, it's called PROGRESS ??!!*[/p][/quote]No peanuts then? Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 7

11:05pm Sat 17 May 14

oldbrock says...

marabout wrote:
I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense.

I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on.

So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?
the badger does not contribute to human life!! what planet do you inhabit, not this one that's for sure, I bet nobody gets any pleasure watching you and your miserable existence but plenty of people gain great pleasure through badger watching etc, this pleasure gives these people more than money could ever buy - the reason why the disease you talk such testicles about is helped on its way by farmers illegally moving cattle and changing eartags, perhaps these people should be eradicated for the "framing" of the badger in their relentless manipulation of the whole country for their profit - what other section of society can get a protected species massacred just on their deception, lies and spin
[quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense. I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on. So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?[/p][/quote]the badger does not contribute to human life!! what planet do you inhabit, not this one that's for sure, I bet nobody gets any pleasure watching you and your miserable existence but plenty of people gain great pleasure through badger watching etc, this pleasure gives these people more than money could ever buy - the reason why the disease you talk such testicles about is helped on its way by farmers illegally moving cattle and changing eartags, perhaps these people should be eradicated for the "framing" of the badger in their relentless manipulation of the whole country for their profit - what other section of society can get a protected species massacred just on their deception, lies and spin oldbrock
  • Score: 9

11:10pm Sat 17 May 14

oldbrock says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
Whereabouts should we go to see this 'cry' in the sky above Dorchester. Is it going to be a permanent feature cos I didn't know to look for it today, will it still be there tomorrow and the following days?
I agree with marabout's comments above. The badgers together with gulls (seagulls) and other pests should be got rid of.
and you as well, you arrogant piece of work, just who do you think you are Judge Jury and Executioner, or just a weak, spineless individual that thinks you can just kill what suits you and your miserable life, Hitler had more or less the same idea and he was roundly condemned
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: Whereabouts should we go to see this 'cry' in the sky above Dorchester. Is it going to be a permanent feature cos I didn't know to look for it today, will it still be there tomorrow and the following days? I agree with marabout's comments above. The badgers together with gulls (seagulls) and other pests should be got rid of.[/p][/quote]and you as well, you arrogant piece of work, just who do you think you are Judge Jury and Executioner, or just a weak, spineless individual that thinks you can just kill what suits you and your miserable life, Hitler had more or less the same idea and he was roundly condemned oldbrock
  • Score: 6

11:19pm Sat 17 May 14

oldbrock says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Other Species are not here for OUR convenience - apart from the sheer JOY sight of them gives to all non-retards. Why should Badgers feel obliged to contribute ANYTHING to hominid needs (we aren't 'human' - that's the Northern Cheyennes you were thinking of - WE'RE just a virus with shoes)
I often wonder whether posters of these anti- Nature comments are the same ones who asked *What use are Bats ??* when the so-called *relief* road was being debated. Bats are about a million times more miraculous than we dull, boring, uninteresting chimps could EVER be, if we lived forever (Goddess forbid !!!!) Built-in sonar, wings made of a thin membrane stretched across elongated fingers - WOW - fascinating !!
Natural History is, without doubt, the most fun you can have with your clothes on, and, as one sage Amerikan Indian observed, *When all the Animals are gone, man will suffer from a great loneliness of spirit !!* I agree, and if people would but give Wild creatures a chance, they can become your friends. A dog is no substitute for a Wild creature with whom you are on friendly terms, and kicking a bladder of air around a field with 21 other grown men isn't going to help, either - for your spiritual health, you MUST have Nature !! Currently, Wildlife mistrusts us because we are perceived to be the killers - the evil ones - but once you take the first step towards treating your fellow tenants on this planet as your EQUALS, as living beings rather than THINGS, they will respond, gradually. Some Great Tits, who have been coming to my garden for peanuts, would originally flee when they saw me outside my rez. - but I spoke gently to them, and over a period of time, they have now come to trust me so much they'll sit on my fence, about eight feet away, pecking at their peanuts. No doubt they'll become even more confiding in the fullness of time..
great post! well thought out, we humans are the most destructive species on earth, some of the remarks about what use are could well be applied to most humans, we have virtually destroyed this planet, polluted it with plastic waste which in turn kills sealife and chokes fields. All I can think is that the individuals that posted as such are weak, spineless individuals who need to make sensational remarks to try to gain a little "fame", sad illegitimates
I have a wren who nests near our back door, in just a few days she has become used to me sitting by the door having a mug of tea and watching her, she "forgave" my inquisitiveness towards this heap of yew leaves and moss in a small upright yew in a tub near the door, she flew out in alarm but returned when she gauged I was no threat to her, if only humans were so intelligent and forgiving
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Other Species are not here for OUR convenience - apart from the sheer JOY sight of them gives to all non-retards. Why should Badgers feel obliged to contribute ANYTHING to hominid needs (we aren't 'human' - that's the Northern Cheyennes you were thinking of - WE'RE just a virus with shoes) I often wonder whether posters of these anti- Nature comments are the same ones who asked *What use are Bats ??* when the so-called *relief* road was being debated. Bats are about a million times more miraculous than we dull, boring, uninteresting chimps could EVER be, if we lived forever (Goddess forbid !!!!) Built-in sonar, wings made of a thin membrane stretched across elongated fingers - WOW - fascinating !! Natural History is, without doubt, the most fun you can have with your clothes on, and, as one sage Amerikan Indian observed, *When all the Animals are gone, man will suffer from a great loneliness of spirit !!* I agree, and if people would but give Wild creatures a chance, they can become your friends. A dog is no substitute for a Wild creature with whom you are on friendly terms, and kicking a bladder of air around a field with 21 other grown men isn't going to help, either - for your spiritual health, you MUST have Nature !! Currently, Wildlife mistrusts us because we are perceived to be the killers - the evil ones - but once you take the first step towards treating your fellow tenants on this planet as your EQUALS, as living beings rather than THINGS, they will respond, gradually. Some Great Tits, who have been coming to my garden for peanuts, would originally flee when they saw me outside my rez. - but I spoke gently to them, and over a period of time, they have now come to trust me so much they'll sit on my fence, about eight feet away, pecking at their peanuts. No doubt they'll become even more confiding in the fullness of time..[/p][/quote]great post! well thought out, we humans are the most destructive species on earth, some of the remarks about what use are could well be applied to most humans, we have virtually destroyed this planet, polluted it with plastic waste which in turn kills sealife and chokes fields. All I can think is that the individuals that posted as such are weak, spineless individuals who need to make sensational remarks to try to gain a little "fame", sad illegitimates I have a wren who nests near our back door, in just a few days she has become used to me sitting by the door having a mug of tea and watching her, she "forgave" my inquisitiveness towards this heap of yew leaves and moss in a small upright yew in a tub near the door, she flew out in alarm but returned when she gauged I was no threat to her, if only humans were so intelligent and forgiving oldbrock
  • Score: 8

11:48pm Sat 17 May 14

marabout says...

oldbrock wrote:
marabout wrote:
I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense.

I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on.

So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?
the badger does not contribute to human life!! what planet do you inhabit, not this one that's for sure, I bet nobody gets any pleasure watching you and your miserable existence but plenty of people gain great pleasure through badger watching etc, this pleasure gives these people more than money could ever buy - the reason why the disease you talk such testicles about is helped on its way by farmers illegally moving cattle and changing eartags, perhaps these people should be eradicated for the "framing" of the badger in their relentless manipulation of the whole country for their profit - what other section of society can get a protected species massacred just on their deception, lies and spin
Are you seriously telling me that people spend their valuable leisure time watching badgers? Really ? Watching badgers do what? Juggle ? Cook?

Badgers do not contribute anything to human life so let's destroy the lot of them.
[quote][p][bold]oldbrock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense. I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on. So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?[/p][/quote]the badger does not contribute to human life!! what planet do you inhabit, not this one that's for sure, I bet nobody gets any pleasure watching you and your miserable existence but plenty of people gain great pleasure through badger watching etc, this pleasure gives these people more than money could ever buy - the reason why the disease you talk such testicles about is helped on its way by farmers illegally moving cattle and changing eartags, perhaps these people should be eradicated for the "framing" of the badger in their relentless manipulation of the whole country for their profit - what other section of society can get a protected species massacred just on their deception, lies and spin[/p][/quote]Are you seriously telling me that people spend their valuable leisure time watching badgers? Really ? Watching badgers do what? Juggle ? Cook? Badgers do not contribute anything to human life so let's destroy the lot of them. marabout
  • Score: -12

11:52pm Sat 17 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Anthropokentrik RETARD: YOU SUCK !!!!
Anthropokentrik RETARD: YOU SUCK !!!! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -7

11:57pm Sat 17 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Chimps contribute NOTHING to the other 10 million or more species - on the contrary, they do nothing but TAKE, TAKE, TAKE and destroy. El que siempre vientos, cosecha tempestades, amigo !! Too bad I don't know you personally - I'd be happy to add you to my "Delete" list for attention during my last four weeks....
Chimps contribute NOTHING to the other 10 million or more species - on the contrary, they do nothing but TAKE, TAKE, TAKE and destroy. El que siempre vientos, cosecha tempestades, amigo !! Too bad I don't know you personally - I'd be happy to add you to my "Delete" list for attention during my last four weeks.... Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -3

12:04am Sun 18 May 14

marabout says...

oldbrock wrote:
IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
Whereabouts should we go to see this 'cry' in the sky above Dorchester. Is it going to be a permanent feature cos I didn't know to look for it today, will it still be there tomorrow and the following days?
I agree with marabout's comments above. The badgers together with gulls (seagulls) and other pests should be got rid of.
and you as well, you arrogant piece of work, just who do you think you are Judge Jury and Executioner, or just a weak, spineless individual that thinks you can just kill what suits you and your miserable life, Hitler had more or less the same idea and he was roundly condemned
So, people who want to kill badgers are compared with Hitler?

That's why your argument falls down, Not one response on this thread has come up with a single reason to keep badgers. Anyone who suggests that we destroy them is called a hitler ...merely because they want to kill a living creature.

So, apart from watching them juggle and cook - what contribution do badgers make to this world?

None. So let's shoot the lot of them.
[quote][p][bold]oldbrock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: Whereabouts should we go to see this 'cry' in the sky above Dorchester. Is it going to be a permanent feature cos I didn't know to look for it today, will it still be there tomorrow and the following days? I agree with marabout's comments above. The badgers together with gulls (seagulls) and other pests should be got rid of.[/p][/quote]and you as well, you arrogant piece of work, just who do you think you are Judge Jury and Executioner, or just a weak, spineless individual that thinks you can just kill what suits you and your miserable life, Hitler had more or less the same idea and he was roundly condemned[/p][/quote]So, people who want to kill badgers are compared with Hitler? That's why your argument falls down, Not one response on this thread has come up with a single reason to keep badgers. Anyone who suggests that we destroy them is called a hitler ...merely because they want to kill a living creature. So, apart from watching them juggle and cook - what contribution do badgers make to this world? None. So let's shoot the lot of them. marabout
  • Score: -9

12:23am Sun 18 May 14

Natterjack two says...

True Science is the clear and only answer/winner here. All should listen to it, be they Lords, land owners, renters or others.
True Science is the clear and only answer/winner here. All should listen to it, be they Lords, land owners, renters or others. Natterjack two
  • Score: 9

12:29am Sun 18 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

EVERY species, except for Nature's mistake - Homo horribilis ignoramus - performs a useful function within the amazing machinery of ecological connections. The fact that you know squat about Nature gives you NO right to comment on it, when all these intricate and vital connections are a closed book to you. Nature is what makes me want to go on living awhile - after all, there's stuff-all worthy of the attention of an intellectual apart from Nature and, perhaps, Archaeology. Idiots who tamper with Nature's connections do so at their peril, since they themselves are a part of that web of life, too - and what you do to Nature will come back and bite you where the sun don't shine. Chimps have bred like the bacteria they are, overpopulating a perfectly good planet with their teeming billions - yet they STILL turn round and say *I wonder why we're getting all this weird, extreme weather ??* You have to ask THAT ?? Look, Numbnutz, there are 7,000 times too many chimps on the planet. They ALL require food, clothing, warmth, power and 'entertainment'. This could be easily supplied if there were only 1 million of us on the planet - but 7,000 times that number - no way, Jose !! So, climate-change deniers - TORIES to a man - notwithstanding, Nature is gearing up to WIPE us. So we ALL have to suffer because of our incomprehensible failure to limit our population levels by sterilizing the genetically unsound. A woman I knew in Devon, in response to my observation that she'd never bred, nor wanted any retards, said: *What - and make more like ME ??!!* She had a very good point - and if more chimps asked themselves how necessary their particular genetic line was, we wouldn't now be faced with annihilation. But, alas, the majority are too DUMB and too CONCEITED to stop and think - and maybe find themselves a different, less destructive, hobby..
EVERY species, except for Nature's mistake - Homo horribilis ignoramus - performs a useful function within the amazing machinery of ecological connections. The fact that you know squat about Nature gives you NO right to comment on it, when all these intricate and vital connections are a closed book to you. Nature is what makes me want to go on living awhile - after all, there's stuff-all worthy of the attention of an intellectual apart from Nature and, perhaps, Archaeology. Idiots who tamper with Nature's connections do so at their peril, since they themselves are a part of that web of life, too - and what you do to Nature will come back and bite you where the sun don't shine. Chimps have bred like the bacteria they are, overpopulating a perfectly good planet with their teeming billions - yet they STILL turn round and say *I wonder why we're getting all this weird, extreme weather ??* You have to ask THAT ?? Look, Numbnutz, there are 7,000 times too many chimps on the planet. They ALL require food, clothing, warmth, power and 'entertainment'. This could be easily supplied if there were only 1 million of us on the planet - but 7,000 times that number - no way, Jose !! So, climate-change deniers - TORIES to a man - notwithstanding, Nature is gearing up to WIPE us. So we ALL have to suffer because of our incomprehensible failure to limit our population levels by sterilizing the genetically unsound. A woman I knew in Devon, in response to my observation that she'd never bred, nor wanted any retards, said: *What - and make more like ME ??!!* She had a very good point - and if more chimps asked themselves how necessary their particular genetic line was, we wouldn't now be faced with annihilation. But, alas, the majority are too DUMB and too CONCEITED to stop and think - and maybe find themselves a different, less destructive, hobby.. Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: -1

8:40am Sun 18 May 14

Cookie720 says...

The vaccine has a role to play, but so does culling. Not just in controlling TB but also to keep a species that has grown in numbers so much so since becoming protected that it's having a huge impact on other wildlife. It's made out that farmers want them wiped out, that's not the case. The vaccine doesn't work in badgers that are already infected (as many as 1 in 3) & you can't vaccinate cattle. The cull in Somerset would of been a lot more affective if animal rights activists hadn't been interfering, the same activists that thought it was a good idea a few years back to release mink in to the countryside (that worked out well then!). I like badgers but they're not the fluffy harmless creatures they're made out to be, they are destructive, aggressive animals that will & are causing a major issue within our countryside. The vast majority of the public don't care what happens as long as they have affordable food on the table, the small minority of badgerist that are unwilling to see things from any other prospective than there own are delaying getting this issue back under control.
The vaccine has a role to play, but so does culling. Not just in controlling TB but also to keep a species that has grown in numbers so much so since becoming protected that it's having a huge impact on other wildlife. It's made out that farmers want them wiped out, that's not the case. The vaccine doesn't work in badgers that are already infected (as many as 1 in 3) & you can't vaccinate cattle. The cull in Somerset would of been a lot more affective if animal rights activists hadn't been interfering, the same activists that thought it was a good idea a few years back to release mink in to the countryside (that worked out well then!). I like badgers but they're not the fluffy harmless creatures they're made out to be, they are destructive, aggressive animals that will & are causing a major issue within our countryside. The vast majority of the public don't care what happens as long as they have affordable food on the table, the small minority of badgerist that are unwilling to see things from any other prospective than there own are delaying getting this issue back under control. Cookie720
  • Score: -2

9:24am Sun 18 May 14

marabout says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
EVERY species, except for Nature's mistake - Homo horribilis ignoramus - performs a useful function within the amazing machinery of ecological connections. The fact that you know squat about Nature gives you NO right to comment on it, when all these intricate and vital connections are a closed book to you. Nature is what makes me want to go on living awhile - after all, there's stuff-all worthy of the attention of an intellectual apart from Nature and, perhaps, Archaeology. Idiots who tamper with Nature's connections do so at their peril, since they themselves are a part of that web of life, too - and what you do to Nature will come back and bite you where the sun don't shine. Chimps have bred like the bacteria they are, overpopulating a perfectly good planet with their teeming billions - yet they STILL turn round and say *I wonder why we're getting all this weird, extreme weather ??* You have to ask THAT ?? Look, Numbnutz, there are 7,000 times too many chimps on the planet. They ALL require food, clothing, warmth, power and 'entertainment'. This could be easily supplied if there were only 1 million of us on the planet - but 7,000 times that number - no way, Jose !! So, climate-change deniers - TORIES to a man - notwithstanding, Nature is gearing up to WIPE us. So we ALL have to suffer because of our incomprehensible failure to limit our population levels by sterilizing the genetically unsound. A woman I knew in Devon, in response to my observation that she'd never bred, nor wanted any retards, said: *What - and make more like ME ??!!* She had a very good point - and if more chimps asked themselves how necessary their particular genetic line was, we wouldn't now be faced with annihilation. But, alas, the majority are too DUMB and too CONCEITED to stop and think - and maybe find themselves a different, less destructive, hobby..
A woman I knew in Devon, in response to my observation that she'd never bred, nor wanted any retards.




And that is exactly why we need to Cull all of the Badgers.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: EVERY species, except for Nature's mistake - Homo horribilis ignoramus - performs a useful function within the amazing machinery of ecological connections. The fact that you know squat about Nature gives you NO right to comment on it, when all these intricate and vital connections are a closed book to you. Nature is what makes me want to go on living awhile - after all, there's stuff-all worthy of the attention of an intellectual apart from Nature and, perhaps, Archaeology. Idiots who tamper with Nature's connections do so at their peril, since they themselves are a part of that web of life, too - and what you do to Nature will come back and bite you where the sun don't shine. Chimps have bred like the bacteria they are, overpopulating a perfectly good planet with their teeming billions - yet they STILL turn round and say *I wonder why we're getting all this weird, extreme weather ??* You have to ask THAT ?? Look, Numbnutz, there are 7,000 times too many chimps on the planet. They ALL require food, clothing, warmth, power and 'entertainment'. This could be easily supplied if there were only 1 million of us on the planet - but 7,000 times that number - no way, Jose !! So, climate-change deniers - TORIES to a man - notwithstanding, Nature is gearing up to WIPE us. So we ALL have to suffer because of our incomprehensible failure to limit our population levels by sterilizing the genetically unsound. A woman I knew in Devon, in response to my observation that she'd never bred, nor wanted any retards, said: *What - and make more like ME ??!!* She had a very good point - and if more chimps asked themselves how necessary their particular genetic line was, we wouldn't now be faced with annihilation. But, alas, the majority are too DUMB and too CONCEITED to stop and think - and maybe find themselves a different, less destructive, hobby..[/p][/quote]A woman I knew in Devon, in response to my observation that she'd never bred, nor wanted any retards. And that is exactly why we need to Cull all of the Badgers. marabout
  • Score: -4

11:37am Sun 18 May 14

MinJam says...

Article on the facebook link - small bit C&P'd below

https://www.facebook
.com/BadgerCullPage?
fref=ts

I know this post is very long, however please take the time to read it, it is one of the best pieces we've ever posted, and from someone with real and genuine knowledge. Could I also ask anyone who reads this to copy paste and post it onto all and any anti cull pages as ofter as possible
Re Bovine TB & the action that DEFRA & farmers want to carry out but the Government has continually for 43 years dragged it's feet for fear of losing votes. Those opposed to controlling badgers are responsible for the spread of TB in badgers over a huge area of England and Wales. The Government dithers about for 43 years, spending £millions on research that is inconclusive and disputed by badgerists, AR nutters and vegans who's agenda are is to eradicate livestock farming full stop. They argue every which way that badgers are not responsible for infecting cattle, they muddy the waters, disrupt trials and intimidate farmers. They have found a few "wildlife" vets to support them whilst every farm and DEFRA vet has been saying for the last 40 years that if your farm (in the designated HIGH RISK areas) have badgers, sooner or later your herd will go down with TB. The cost to the country is now into the £billions.

The reasons for the cull were explained way back in 1995 by :-

Dr. John Gallagher's Update on the Proposed Badger Cull
Western Morning News 19.12.05

BADGER CULL DEBATE
Dr John Gallagher, a vet from Lustleigh, on the fringe of Dartmoor, was the organiser of a petition calling on the Government for a cull of TB-infected badgers, which was signed by hundreds of rural vets from all over the country
Article on the facebook link - small bit C&P'd below https://www.facebook .com/BadgerCullPage? fref=ts I know this post is very long, however please take the time to read it, it is one of the best pieces we've ever posted, and from someone with real and genuine knowledge. Could I also ask anyone who reads this to copy paste and post it onto all and any anti cull pages as ofter as possible Re Bovine TB & the action that DEFRA & farmers want to carry out but the Government has continually for 43 years dragged it's feet for fear of losing votes. Those opposed to controlling badgers are responsible for the spread of TB in badgers over a huge area of England and Wales. The Government dithers about for 43 years, spending £millions on research that is inconclusive and disputed by badgerists, AR nutters and vegans who's agenda are is to eradicate livestock farming full stop. They argue every which way that badgers are not responsible for infecting cattle, they muddy the waters, disrupt trials and intimidate farmers. They have found a few "wildlife" vets to support them whilst every farm and DEFRA vet has been saying for the last 40 years that if your farm (in the designated HIGH RISK areas) have badgers, sooner or later your herd will go down with TB. The cost to the country is now into the £billions. The reasons for the cull were explained way back in 1995 by :- Dr. John Gallagher's Update on the Proposed Badger Cull Western Morning News 19.12.05 BADGER CULL DEBATE Dr John Gallagher, a vet from Lustleigh, on the fringe of Dartmoor, was the organiser of a petition calling on the Government for a cull of TB-infected badgers, which was signed by hundreds of rural vets from all over the country MinJam
  • Score: -2

11:47am Sun 18 May 14

rogerout says...

Cookie 720- you can vaccinate badgers successfully and there is even a social group immunity created for those cubs not vaccinated and still underground. You can Vaccinate Cattle. But the politics of DEFRA and the EU would like us all to believe that it would compromise cattle exports. But only about 2% of the UK cattle trade is exports. Chief VET Wales has recently visited Ethiopia which has some 52 million Cattle and is using Vaccination. Which is giving between 60 to 70 % effectiveness .
Wales has adopted a humane science Based Bovine TB programme including stricter regulations on Cattle testing and Cattle movement as well as Badger Vaccination. In 12 months the BTb slaughter of infected cattle has fallen by 33%. And the cost under half the recent England Ineffective Cull. Wales has indicated it will progress to develop a Cattle Vaccination Strategy
The Cattle test at the moment is only 80% effective, missing 1 in 5 infected cattle in the Herd.
In FEB this year over 100 Cattle were sold at Cheshire market and went to 28 different UK farms. They were not tested pre sale and were infected. . This sort of Spread by Cattle movement is a greater risk than Badgers.
get the humane science based comprehensive programme and testing and Vaccination fully in force in ENGLAND. it is working better in other parts of the UK. Or is it just a political thing in England Kill badgers. You will not convince anyone that to cure any infectious disease in cattle or wildlife you do not need humane science.Killing healthy badgers with a Bullet is not an effective solution..
Cookie 720- you can vaccinate badgers successfully and there is even a social group immunity created for those cubs not vaccinated and still underground. You can Vaccinate Cattle. But the politics of DEFRA and the EU would like us all to believe that it would compromise cattle exports. But only about 2% of the UK cattle trade is exports. Chief VET Wales has recently visited Ethiopia which has some 52 million Cattle and is using Vaccination. Which is giving between 60 to 70 % effectiveness . Wales has adopted a humane science Based Bovine TB programme including stricter regulations on Cattle testing and Cattle movement as well as Badger Vaccination. In 12 months the BTb slaughter of infected cattle has fallen by 33%. And the cost under half the recent England Ineffective Cull. Wales has indicated it will progress to develop a Cattle Vaccination Strategy The Cattle test at the moment is only 80% effective, missing 1 in 5 infected cattle in the Herd. In FEB this year over 100 Cattle were sold at Cheshire market and went to 28 different UK farms. They were not tested pre sale and were infected. . This sort of Spread by Cattle movement is a greater risk than Badgers. get the humane science based comprehensive programme and testing and Vaccination fully in force in ENGLAND. it is working better in other parts of the UK. Or is it just a political thing in England Kill badgers. You will not convince anyone that to cure any infectious disease in cattle or wildlife you do not need humane science.Killing healthy badgers with a Bullet is not an effective solution.. rogerout
  • Score: 5

11:51am Sun 18 May 14

Cookie720 says...

MinJam wrote:
Article on the facebook link - small bit C&P'd below

https://www.facebook

.com/BadgerCullPage?

fref=ts

I know this post is very long, however please take the time to read it, it is one of the best pieces we've ever posted, and from someone with real and genuine knowledge. Could I also ask anyone who reads this to copy paste and post it onto all and any anti cull pages as ofter as possible
Re Bovine TB & the action that DEFRA & farmers want to carry out but the Government has continually for 43 years dragged it's feet for fear of losing votes. Those opposed to controlling badgers are responsible for the spread of TB in badgers over a huge area of England and Wales. The Government dithers about for 43 years, spending £millions on research that is inconclusive and disputed by badgerists, AR nutters and vegans who's agenda are is to eradicate livestock farming full stop. They argue every which way that badgers are not responsible for infecting cattle, they muddy the waters, disrupt trials and intimidate farmers. They have found a few "wildlife" vets to support them whilst every farm and DEFRA vet has been saying for the last 40 years that if your farm (in the designated HIGH RISK areas) have badgers, sooner or later your herd will go down with TB. The cost to the country is now into the £billions.

The reasons for the cull were explained way back in 1995 by :-

Dr. John Gallagher's Update on the Proposed Badger Cull
Western Morning News 19.12.05

BADGER CULL DEBATE
Dr John Gallagher, a vet from Lustleigh, on the fringe of Dartmoor, was the organiser of a petition calling on the Government for a cull of TB-infected badgers, which was signed by hundreds of rural vets from all over the country
Couldn't agree more!
[quote][p][bold]MinJam[/bold] wrote: Article on the facebook link - small bit C&P'd below https://www.facebook .com/BadgerCullPage? fref=ts I know this post is very long, however please take the time to read it, it is one of the best pieces we've ever posted, and from someone with real and genuine knowledge. Could I also ask anyone who reads this to copy paste and post it onto all and any anti cull pages as ofter as possible Re Bovine TB & the action that DEFRA & farmers want to carry out but the Government has continually for 43 years dragged it's feet for fear of losing votes. Those opposed to controlling badgers are responsible for the spread of TB in badgers over a huge area of England and Wales. The Government dithers about for 43 years, spending £millions on research that is inconclusive and disputed by badgerists, AR nutters and vegans who's agenda are is to eradicate livestock farming full stop. They argue every which way that badgers are not responsible for infecting cattle, they muddy the waters, disrupt trials and intimidate farmers. They have found a few "wildlife" vets to support them whilst every farm and DEFRA vet has been saying for the last 40 years that if your farm (in the designated HIGH RISK areas) have badgers, sooner or later your herd will go down with TB. The cost to the country is now into the £billions. The reasons for the cull were explained way back in 1995 by :- Dr. John Gallagher's Update on the Proposed Badger Cull Western Morning News 19.12.05 BADGER CULL DEBATE Dr John Gallagher, a vet from Lustleigh, on the fringe of Dartmoor, was the organiser of a petition calling on the Government for a cull of TB-infected badgers, which was signed by hundreds of rural vets from all over the country[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more! Cookie720
  • Score: -4

12:01pm Sun 18 May 14

MinJam says...

rogerout says... Cookie 720- you can vaccinate badgers successfully
....................
....

You can stab the with a needle and inject BCG vaccine into them - that is a far cry from "vaccinate..... successfully"
BCG is only licensed for badgers on a 'do no harm' basis. No evidence was offered wrt to efficacy, because there ain't any!
rogerout says... Cookie 720- you can vaccinate badgers successfully .................... .... You can stab the with a needle and inject BCG vaccine into them - that is a far cry from "vaccinate..... successfully" BCG is only licensed for badgers on a 'do no harm' basis. No evidence was offered wrt to efficacy, because there ain't any! MinJam
  • Score: -2

12:09pm Sun 18 May 14

Cookie720 says...

I also find it hard to understand how the likes of the RSPB find it acceptable to cull fox's, crows, magpies, goats etc to protect ground nesting birds or the RSPCA's huge number of healthy animals destroyed each year opposed to re homing. Yet they are so obstructive and unwilling to work together on the issue of TB. The huge drop in paid up members of the RSPCA shows the lack of trust the general public has in this now political animal rights "charity".
I also find it hard to understand how the likes of the RSPB find it acceptable to cull fox's, crows, magpies, goats etc to protect ground nesting birds or the RSPCA's huge number of healthy animals destroyed each year opposed to re homing. Yet they are so obstructive and unwilling to work together on the issue of TB. The huge drop in paid up members of the RSPCA shows the lack of trust the general public has in this now political animal rights "charity". Cookie720
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Sun 18 May 14

Cookie720 says...

rogerout wrote:
Cookie 720- you can vaccinate badgers successfully and there is even a social group immunity created for those cubs not vaccinated and still underground. You can Vaccinate Cattle. But the politics of DEFRA and the EU would like us all to believe that it would compromise cattle exports. But only about 2% of the UK cattle trade is exports. Chief VET Wales has recently visited Ethiopia which has some 52 million Cattle and is using Vaccination. Which is giving between 60 to 70 % effectiveness .
Wales has adopted a humane science Based Bovine TB programme including stricter regulations on Cattle testing and Cattle movement as well as Badger Vaccination. In 12 months the BTb slaughter of infected cattle has fallen by 33%. And the cost under half the recent England Ineffective Cull. Wales has indicated it will progress to develop a Cattle Vaccination Strategy
The Cattle test at the moment is only 80% effective, missing 1 in 5 infected cattle in the Herd.
In FEB this year over 100 Cattle were sold at Cheshire market and went to 28 different UK farms. They were not tested pre sale and were infected. . This sort of Spread by Cattle movement is a greater risk than Badgers.
get the humane science based comprehensive programme and testing and Vaccination fully in force in ENGLAND. it is working better in other parts of the UK. Or is it just a political thing in England Kill badgers. You will not convince anyone that to cure any infectious disease in cattle or wildlife you do not need humane science.Killing healthy badgers with a Bullet is not an effective solution..
You seem to have missed some points of my comment, yes I agree vaccination has it's place and will play a big part in controling TB. But you can't vaccinate infected badgers, infected sets should be culled out. If the anti cull groups are right then we won't need to cull many!? There is an EU ban on cattle vaccine because as you know at this point it renders testing useless. Testing every 60 days & pre movment testing limits cross herd infection , and you still have a large number of closed herds testing positive? Culling has worked well in Irland, Austraila etc . My main point was that I think that anti cull protesters arnt helping the issue by being so tunnel visioned. We all need to work together to control this issue and the huge numbers of badgers that are running riot.
[quote][p][bold]rogerout[/bold] wrote: Cookie 720- you can vaccinate badgers successfully and there is even a social group immunity created for those cubs not vaccinated and still underground. You can Vaccinate Cattle. But the politics of DEFRA and the EU would like us all to believe that it would compromise cattle exports. But only about 2% of the UK cattle trade is exports. Chief VET Wales has recently visited Ethiopia which has some 52 million Cattle and is using Vaccination. Which is giving between 60 to 70 % effectiveness . Wales has adopted a humane science Based Bovine TB programme including stricter regulations on Cattle testing and Cattle movement as well as Badger Vaccination. In 12 months the BTb slaughter of infected cattle has fallen by 33%. And the cost under half the recent England Ineffective Cull. Wales has indicated it will progress to develop a Cattle Vaccination Strategy The Cattle test at the moment is only 80% effective, missing 1 in 5 infected cattle in the Herd. In FEB this year over 100 Cattle were sold at Cheshire market and went to 28 different UK farms. They were not tested pre sale and were infected. . This sort of Spread by Cattle movement is a greater risk than Badgers. get the humane science based comprehensive programme and testing and Vaccination fully in force in ENGLAND. it is working better in other parts of the UK. Or is it just a political thing in England Kill badgers. You will not convince anyone that to cure any infectious disease in cattle or wildlife you do not need humane science.Killing healthy badgers with a Bullet is not an effective solution..[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed some points of my comment, yes I agree vaccination has it's place and will play a big part in controling TB. But you can't vaccinate infected badgers, infected sets should be culled out. If the anti cull groups are right then we won't need to cull many!? There is an EU ban on cattle vaccine because as you know at this point it renders testing useless. Testing every 60 days & pre movment testing limits cross herd infection , and you still have a large number of closed herds testing positive? Culling has worked well in Irland, Austraila etc . My main point was that I think that anti cull protesters arnt helping the issue by being so tunnel visioned. We all need to work together to control this issue and the huge numbers of badgers that are running riot. Cookie720
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Sun 18 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !!
Would you like some peanuts?
No - but I'd be happy to give you a saucer of milk (just ignore that odd, bitter taste in it, it's only the aconite - for extra flavoring, you understand !!)
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !![/p][/quote]Would you like some peanuts?[/p][/quote]No - but I'd be happy to give you a saucer of milk (just ignore that odd, bitter taste in it, it's only the aconite - for extra flavoring, you understand !!) Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 3

6:21pm Sun 18 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !!
Well, I think the correct number is probably 2 billion, since that is what the population of the planet was before the Oil Age. With the end of the Oil Age, some predict that the population will rapidly return to that level. After all, we are now so utterly dependent on computerised supply chains that most of us would be starving within a week of the supermarket shelves emptying.
Personally, i'm ok with that, provided i'm not one of the 4 billion who have to make way....;-)
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !![/p][/quote]Well, I think the correct number is probably 2 billion, since that is what the population of the planet was before the Oil Age. With the end of the Oil Age, some predict that the population will rapidly return to that level. After all, we are now so utterly dependent on computerised supply chains that most of us would be starving within a week of the supermarket shelves emptying. Personally, i'm ok with that, provided i'm not one of the 4 billion who have to make way....;-) JamesYoung
  • Score: 2

7:00pm Sun 18 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !!
Well, I think the correct number is probably 2 billion, since that is what the population of the planet was before the Oil Age. With the end of the Oil Age, some predict that the population will rapidly return to that level. After all, we are now so utterly dependent on computerised supply chains that most of us would be starving within a week of the supermarket shelves emptying.
Personally, i'm ok with that, provided i'm not one of the 4 billion who have to make way....;-)
Some of us are better prepared then others ;-)
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: I think HALVING the world's hominid population is extremely unambitious. If a naturalist from another world were visiting, she may well consider 500,000 of a 190 lb ape a reasonable proposition, but double that number, and I'm confident she'd raise her equivalent of eyebrows and query whether that wasn't, perhaps, a little unbalanced for the general scheme of life on earth, and the health and wellbeing of all those OTHER species. Life ISN'T all about us - it's about scientifically interesting, beautiful and charismatic people, too !! Each and every one of them is here for THEIR OWN purposes - not for OUR convenience. We are merely privileged to share this world with them, and are immensely enriched by the intellectual fulfilment they afford us. I suppose the fight for equal rights for ALL life will be a long and bloody struggle, since the dullards are not SO dull that they don't realise this means an end to EATING Animals (*It's the 21st Century - are you STILL eating Animals ??!!*) but no doubt we'll get there EVENTUALLY !![/p][/quote]Well, I think the correct number is probably 2 billion, since that is what the population of the planet was before the Oil Age. With the end of the Oil Age, some predict that the population will rapidly return to that level. After all, we are now so utterly dependent on computerised supply chains that most of us would be starving within a week of the supermarket shelves emptying. Personally, i'm ok with that, provided i'm not one of the 4 billion who have to make way....;-)[/p][/quote]Some of us are better prepared then others ;-) Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 0

7:01pm Sun 18 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

P.S it is also a lot easier to survive if you eat meat ;-)
P.S it is also a lot easier to survive if you eat meat ;-) Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 1

7:03pm Sun 18 May 14

Sigurd Hoeberth says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !!
Would you like some peanuts?
No - but I'd be happy to give you a saucer of milk (just ignore that odd, bitter taste in it, it's only the aconite - for extra flavoring, you understand !!)
How about a tricycle and an Doughnut shaped like Elvis, you could show it to your Monday therapy group.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: Ha hah!! Just went back to my Farceybook page, after posting the above, and there was a photograph of Sir David Attenborough (THERE'S a man with a brain AND a SOUL - one who CARES !!) with the caption in big, red letters: *WE ARE A PLAGUE!!* Yes, well - SOME of us have been aware of that for over half a century now - in MY case, WELL over !![/p][/quote]Would you like some peanuts?[/p][/quote]No - but I'd be happy to give you a saucer of milk (just ignore that odd, bitter taste in it, it's only the aconite - for extra flavoring, you understand !!)[/p][/quote]How about a tricycle and an Doughnut shaped like Elvis, you could show it to your Monday therapy group. Sigurd Hoeberth
  • Score: 1

10:34pm Sun 18 May 14

MinJam says...

Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
P.S it is also a lot easier to survive if you eat meat ;-)
and know how to hunt ;)
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: P.S it is also a lot easier to survive if you eat meat ;-)[/p][/quote]and know how to hunt ;) MinJam
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Sun 18 May 14

fancyabrew says...

marabout wrote:
I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense.

I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on.

So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?
Well, judging by this post, there are plenty of retards about. Lets cull them shall we? We can't eat them, wear them or sit on them after all, and they contribute nothing to the world.
[quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense. I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on. So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?[/p][/quote]Well, judging by this post, there are plenty of retards about. Lets cull them shall we? We can't eat them, wear them or sit on them after all, and they contribute nothing to the world. fancyabrew
  • Score: 6

9:25am Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

fancyabrew wrote:
marabout wrote:
I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense.

I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on.

So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?
Well, judging by this post, there are plenty of retards about. Lets cull them shall we? We can't eat them, wear them or sit on them after all, and they contribute nothing to the world.
You raise an interesting question. There are, indeed, a lot of "retards" about (by which i mean the kind that you find on Littlemoor and in Westham, not people with learning difficulties). Culling is an extreme measure, but i do wonder what can be done about the birth rate.
[quote][p][bold]fancyabrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marabout[/bold] wrote: I must admit to feeling a little bemused by all this Badger nonsense. I may be wrong but the Badger does not contribute to human life. We can't eat it, wear it or sit on it. It does though have a disease that kills the things which we like to eat, wear and sit on. So therefore, lets get rid of the badger once and for all. Why not obliterate the lot of them ?[/p][/quote]Well, judging by this post, there are plenty of retards about. Lets cull them shall we? We can't eat them, wear them or sit on them after all, and they contribute nothing to the world.[/p][/quote]You raise an interesting question. There are, indeed, a lot of "retards" about (by which i mean the kind that you find on Littlemoor and in Westham, not people with learning difficulties). Culling is an extreme measure, but i do wonder what can be done about the birth rate. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

1:03am Sat 24 May 14

EtaoinShrdlu says...

Princess Anne says gas them. No doubt one of her German relatives will help with this due to their well documented expertise in these matters.

But where will Hall & Woodhouse obtain the ingredients for their excellent Badger Beer?
Princess Anne says gas them. No doubt one of her German relatives will help with this due to their well documented expertise in these matters. But where will Hall & Woodhouse obtain the ingredients for their excellent Badger Beer? EtaoinShrdlu
  • Score: 0

10:27am Thu 12 Jun 14

MinJam says...

http://farmerdavidba
rton.wordpress.com/

Article by Roger Blowey FRCVS,

Bovine TB Past and Present- is there hope for the future(New version)
June 11, 2014
http://farmerdavidba rton.wordpress.com/ Article by Roger Blowey FRCVS, Bovine TB Past and Present- is there hope for the future(New version) June 11, 2014 MinJam
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