Residents urged to make their votes count on election day in Weymouth and Portland

Residents urged to make their votes count on election day

Residents urged to make their votes count on election day

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RESIDENTS go to the polls later this week to elect a third of Weymouth and Portland borough councillors.

People are urged to exercise their democratic right and make their voices heard by casting a vote.

Radipole, Westham West and Weymouth East will not be having elections this year.

Polling day is on Thursday, May 22 and residents can vote between 7am and 10pm.

The count, where the results will be announced, will start at 10am on Friday, May 23 at Weymouth Pavilion.

Elections come at a critical time for the council which is making continued savings in light of budget cuts, and trying to maintain a cross-Channel ferry link through discussions with Condor Ferries.

Councillors play a key role in the borough and are the voice of the community, representing local people.

They help shape future services for the benefit of local people by collectively carrying out policy making and contributing to the formation and scrutiny of Weymouth and Portland Borough Council’s policies, budget, and strategies.

By representing the views of local people as a community advocate, councillors ensure that local community interests are taken into account.

Elections for the European Parliament and for some wards on Purbeck District Council also take place on Thursday.

For a comprehensive rundown of election results see dorsetecho.co.uk

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6:38am Mon 19 May 14

cj07589 says...

Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday!
Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday! cj07589
  • Score: 4

7:23am Mon 19 May 14

navelgazer says...

@ cj07589
There is no need for those 'intolerants' who disagree with you to make any comment, when Farage can do it all by himself when interviewed by James O'Brien..
See
http://tinyurl.com/m
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@ cj07589 There is no need for those 'intolerants' who disagree with you to make any comment, when Farage can do it all by himself when interviewed by James O'Brien.. See http://tinyurl.com/m 5rltn3 navelgazer
  • Score: 1

7:43am Mon 19 May 14

navelgazer says...

I see that my comment is already receiving 'thumbs down' scores.

I can't believe that anybody can be upset merely because I drew attention to the Farage interview , so I'll assume the scores to be a rating of Farage's dismal performance.
I see that my comment is already receiving 'thumbs down' scores. I can't believe that anybody can be upset merely because I drew attention to the Farage interview , so I'll assume the scores to be a rating of Farage's dismal performance. navelgazer
  • Score: -3

7:48am Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday!
Sounds a bit like 1930's Germany, anyone who doesn't vote UKIP is a "intolerant bigot", if UKIP win the island will there be a burning of books? As for bullying cj old chap, expressing an opinion that isn't the same as yours is allowed in a democracy.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday![/p][/quote]Sounds a bit like 1930's Germany, anyone who doesn't vote UKIP is a "intolerant bigot", if UKIP win the island will there be a burning of books? As for bullying cj old chap, expressing an opinion that isn't the same as yours is allowed in a democracy. woodsedge
  • Score: -6

7:51am Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

navelgazer wrote:
I see that my comment is already receiving 'thumbs down' scores.

I can't believe that anybody can be upset merely because I drew attention to the Farage interview , so I'll assume the scores to be a rating of Farage's dismal performance.
It's not you navel gazer, some sado's have multiple accounts so that they can vote up their comments and vote down the ones that they do not agree with.
[quote][p][bold]navelgazer[/bold] wrote: I see that my comment is already receiving 'thumbs down' scores. I can't believe that anybody can be upset merely because I drew attention to the Farage interview , so I'll assume the scores to be a rating of Farage's dismal performance.[/p][/quote]It's not you navel gazer, some sado's have multiple accounts so that they can vote up their comments and vote down the ones that they do not agree with. woodsedge
  • Score: -12

8:28am Mon 19 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

cj07589 wrote:
Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday!
What's that got to do with Weymouth and Portland Borough Council? Or is it just some people's default setting to rant "VOTE UKIP" at every opportunity, whatever the relevance to the subject?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday![/p][/quote]What's that got to do with Weymouth and Portland Borough Council? Or is it just some people's default setting to rant "VOTE UKIP" at every opportunity, whatever the relevance to the subject? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 1

8:58am Mon 19 May 14

ksmain says...

A vote for UKIP is one that will be cast by many due to the consistent failure of the main parties to come up with and enforce the policies that will deal with the problems this country has and in dealing with the poor state of the economy. Even if that policy is rather intolerant of others and there is little else to them besides, which IMO it is.

Also time for those on Portland to stop moaning and make a difference by voting. You get what you don't vote for!!
A vote for UKIP is one that will be cast by many due to the consistent failure of the main parties to come up with and enforce the policies that will deal with the problems this country has and in dealing with the poor state of the economy. Even if that policy is rather intolerant of others and there is little else to them besides, which IMO it is. Also time for those on Portland to stop moaning and make a difference by voting. You get what you don't vote for!! ksmain
  • Score: 7

9:22am Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box. JamesYoung
  • Score: 9

9:43am Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate. woodsedge
  • Score: -11

9:48am Mon 19 May 14

cosmick says...

Ithink there are six areas in WEYMOUTH AND PORTLAND where locals have the chance to vote UKIP for the local election. You have seen the way things are being done at the moment, Give your ukip candedate a chance.
They will work for local people on local issues.
VOTE UKIP THURSDAY 22nd MAY.
Ithink there are six areas in WEYMOUTH AND PORTLAND where locals have the chance to vote UKIP for the local election. You have seen the way things are being done at the moment, Give your ukip candedate a chance. They will work for local people on local issues. VOTE UKIP THURSDAY 22nd MAY. cosmick
  • Score: 3

9:50am Mon 19 May 14

cosmick says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Fully agree.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Fully agree. cosmick
  • Score: 1

9:51am Mon 19 May 14

cosmick says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Thats why we dont waste our time comming back to your comments.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Thats why we dont waste our time comming back to your comments. cosmick
  • Score: 11

10:12am Mon 19 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

What are UKIp's policies, if any, on anything, beyond blaming Brussels and/or immigrants for everything? If someone might perhaps be able to give a brief outline or précis of their policies and how they might be beneficial to the local area, perhaps we might be able to assess them rationally beyond blaming Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything? Or is there policy just to blame Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything?
What are UKIp's policies, if any, on anything, beyond blaming Brussels and/or immigrants for everything? If someone might perhaps be able to give a brief outline or précis of their policies and how they might be beneficial to the local area, perhaps we might be able to assess them rationally beyond blaming Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything? Or is there policy just to blame Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything? arlbergbahn
  • Score: -4

10:13am Mon 19 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

*Their, not there, sorry.
*Their, not there, sorry. arlbergbahn
  • Score: -1

10:26am Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

cosmick wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Thats why we dont waste our time comming back to your comments.
No, you don't respond because you are not capable!
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Thats why we dont waste our time comming back to your comments.[/p][/quote]No, you don't respond because you are not capable! woodsedge
  • Score: -9

10:38am Mon 19 May 14

MrTomSmith says...

Vote UKIP shame my ward is not voting, got 2 complete clowns sitting for us. Thanks for the Overcombe Corner roundabout, its...........hopele
ss. That was another 100k lost due to incompetence. And the rest as it's still useless.
Vote UKIP shame my ward is not voting, got 2 complete clowns sitting for us. Thanks for the Overcombe Corner roundabout, its...........hopele ss. That was another 100k lost due to incompetence. And the rest as it's still useless. MrTomSmith
  • Score: 2

10:44am Mon 19 May 14

ksmain says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish.

I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish. I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really. ksmain
  • Score: 9

10:45am Mon 19 May 14

cosmick says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
Vote UKIP shame my ward is not voting, got 2 complete clowns sitting for us. Thanks for the Overcombe Corner roundabout, its...........hopele

ss. That was another 100k lost due to incompetence. And the rest as it's still useless.
Dont know where you live TOM PRESTON WARD has a local UKIP candidate.
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP shame my ward is not voting, got 2 complete clowns sitting for us. Thanks for the Overcombe Corner roundabout, its...........hopele ss. That was another 100k lost due to incompetence. And the rest as it's still useless.[/p][/quote]Dont know where you live TOM PRESTON WARD has a local UKIP candidate. cosmick
  • Score: 5

10:58am Mon 19 May 14

ksmain says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
Vote UKIP shame my ward is not voting, got 2 complete clowns sitting for us. Thanks for the Overcombe Corner roundabout, its...........hopele

ss. That was another 100k lost due to incompetence. And the rest as it's still useless.
I would like to see more people standing for local election that are apolitical (ie independant) as I feel that local councillors should represent local issues and not the issues of the country as a whole. I must admit I see local government as different is a number of ways than national politics - simply because it is more 'hands-on' administration.
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP shame my ward is not voting, got 2 complete clowns sitting for us. Thanks for the Overcombe Corner roundabout, its...........hopele ss. That was another 100k lost due to incompetence. And the rest as it's still useless.[/p][/quote]I would like to see more people standing for local election that are apolitical (ie independant) as I feel that local councillors should represent local issues and not the issues of the country as a whole. I must admit I see local government as different is a number of ways than national politics - simply because it is more 'hands-on' administration. ksmain
  • Score: 12

11:02am Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

ksmain wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish.

I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.
The answer is actually more complex.
The answer is that we are sold a sham which is called democracy.
We need a revolution, not sheep like yourself continuing to convince yourself that you are somehow exercising a voice.
You are not.
To be fair, i had the same view as you once.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish. I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.[/p][/quote]The answer is actually more complex. The answer is that we are sold a sham which is called democracy. We need a revolution, not sheep like yourself continuing to convince yourself that you are somehow exercising a voice. You are not. To be fair, i had the same view as you once. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

11:45am Mon 19 May 14

portland rebel says...

i have not read, or heard anything from our local election candidates, so i will be voting, that not one of them is worth my vote because i do not know what they stand for.
i have not read, or heard anything from our local election candidates, so i will be voting, that not one of them is worth my vote because i do not know what they stand for. portland rebel
  • Score: 3

11:57am Mon 19 May 14

ksmain says...

JamesYoung wrote:
ksmain wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish.

I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.
The answer is actually more complex.
The answer is that we are sold a sham which is called democracy.
We need a revolution, not sheep like yourself continuing to convince yourself that you are somehow exercising a voice.
You are not.
To be fair, i had the same view as you once.
But pick any democratic country in the world James you can say that - is it any better in the US (the supposed home of democracy - or so they think) - I doubt it. Sadly - in a lot of cases - the only way revolution will come is out of disaster, as has been proven many times before (Russian Revolution, Nazi Germany, recently with Libya & Egypt, etc, etc). And even then, what you get may not be any better. Far better to make small step changes - you often see that when Private Sector managers join a Public Sector organisation the biggest mistake they make is to try revolution before they understand what they are dealing with or why it happens (there may be many good and plausible reasons). Hence the reason they often fail against those that change using small steps - it is the same with revolution.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish. I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.[/p][/quote]The answer is actually more complex. The answer is that we are sold a sham which is called democracy. We need a revolution, not sheep like yourself continuing to convince yourself that you are somehow exercising a voice. You are not. To be fair, i had the same view as you once.[/p][/quote]But pick any democratic country in the world James you can say that - is it any better in the US (the supposed home of democracy - or so they think) - I doubt it. Sadly - in a lot of cases - the only way revolution will come is out of disaster, as has been proven many times before (Russian Revolution, Nazi Germany, recently with Libya & Egypt, etc, etc). And even then, what you get may not be any better. Far better to make small step changes - you often see that when Private Sector managers join a Public Sector organisation the biggest mistake they make is to try revolution before they understand what they are dealing with or why it happens (there may be many good and plausible reasons). Hence the reason they often fail against those that change using small steps - it is the same with revolution. ksmain
  • Score: 11

12:34pm Mon 19 May 14

cj07589 says...

woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday!
Sounds a bit like 1930's Germany, anyone who doesn't vote UKIP is a "intolerant bigot", if UKIP win the island will there be a burning of books? As for bullying cj old chap, expressing an opinion that isn't the same as yours is allowed in a democracy.
The usual rhetoric from mr angry.
Funnily enough the reason you always get negative votes is because most reasonable people sound of mind do not agree with the rubbish you come out with.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday![/p][/quote]Sounds a bit like 1930's Germany, anyone who doesn't vote UKIP is a "intolerant bigot", if UKIP win the island will there be a burning of books? As for bullying cj old chap, expressing an opinion that isn't the same as yours is allowed in a democracy.[/p][/quote]The usual rhetoric from mr angry. Funnily enough the reason you always get negative votes is because most reasonable people sound of mind do not agree with the rubbish you come out with. cj07589
  • Score: 7

12:50pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

cj07589 wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday!
Sounds a bit like 1930's Germany, anyone who doesn't vote UKIP is a "intolerant bigot", if UKIP win the island will there be a burning of books? As for bullying cj old chap, expressing an opinion that isn't the same as yours is allowed in a democracy.
The usual rhetoric from mr angry.
Funnily enough the reason you always get negative votes is because most reasonable people sound of mind do not agree with the rubbish you come out with.
cj old boy, you really should give up on the old "angry" and "negative votes" ploy and comment on the real issues like Farages latest racist comment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-27459923
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Will be sending a clear message to the establishment and EU luvies it's all UKIP here thanks. Looking forward to hearing from the usual Intolerant bigot bullies to continue their fire storm of lies, deceit and disinformation. Bring on Thursday![/p][/quote]Sounds a bit like 1930's Germany, anyone who doesn't vote UKIP is a "intolerant bigot", if UKIP win the island will there be a burning of books? As for bullying cj old chap, expressing an opinion that isn't the same as yours is allowed in a democracy.[/p][/quote]The usual rhetoric from mr angry. Funnily enough the reason you always get negative votes is because most reasonable people sound of mind do not agree with the rubbish you come out with.[/p][/quote]cj old boy, you really should give up on the old "angry" and "negative votes" ploy and comment on the real issues like Farages latest racist comment. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-27459923 woodsedge
  • Score: -6

12:57pm Mon 19 May 14

navelgazer says...

cosmick wrote:
Ithink there are six areas in WEYMOUTH AND PORTLAND where locals have the chance to vote UKIP for the local election. You have seen the way things are being done at the moment, Give your ukip candedate a chance.
They will work for local people on local issues.
VOTE UKIP THURSDAY 22nd MAY.
I always exercise my freedom and opportunity to vote, even though it may only be directed at what I perceive to be the best of a bad bunch.
I’m therefore a floating voter, having voted for each of the main parties at one time or another.

Whether or not I hear from local candidates telling me what they think I want to hear, I make my decision partly on each party’s manifesto , but mainly on at the background and performance of the candidates on a local and national level.

The face, words, or charisma of the party leader are not my local candidate. I’m more concerned about why Food Banks are necessary in a country with the 6th largest economy, why the NHS is being privatised, and why my well-qualified and well-paid offspring cannot get onto the property ladder.

In response to the UKIP supporters who have been so vocal on this site of late, I consider that the UKIP flyers and pronouncements which do nothing more than skew information so as to appeal and pander to basic ‘tribal’ instincts and prejudices.

UKIP’s only real policy is to be a focal point for a protest vote, which is why Farage is able to field candidates that include people who he is all too often forced to disown.
Farage has freely admitted that his party has ‘plenty of idiots’ who he then ‘disowns’ (no background checks?), and based upon the ‘vote ukip’ commentators on this site, this area has its fair share.

Given the generally poor performance of the representatives of the other parties - local and beyond - I’m leaning towards toward a party that, whilst being part of the 4th largest group in the European Parliament, is critical of the current direction and structure of the European Union, and which prefers in many cases a regional, national or global approach.
It is also a party whose candidates tend to be well-educated, and not of the ‘knee-jerk’ xenophobic mentality.

I’m currently thinking that a protest vote that benefits the Green Party is likely to be more productive, and ultimately benefit us all.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Ithink there are six areas in WEYMOUTH AND PORTLAND where locals have the chance to vote UKIP for the local election. You have seen the way things are being done at the moment, Give your ukip candedate a chance. They will work for local people on local issues. VOTE UKIP THURSDAY 22nd MAY.[/p][/quote]I always exercise my freedom and opportunity to vote, even though it may only be directed at what I perceive to be the best of a bad bunch. I’m therefore a floating voter, having voted for each of the main parties at one time or another. Whether or not I hear from local candidates telling me what they think I want to hear, I make my decision partly on each party’s manifesto , but mainly on at the background and performance of the candidates on a local and national level. The face, words, or charisma of the party leader are not my local candidate. I’m more concerned about why Food Banks are necessary in a country with the 6th largest economy, why the NHS is being privatised, and why my well-qualified and well-paid offspring cannot get onto the property ladder. In response to the UKIP supporters who have been so vocal on this site of late, I consider that the UKIP flyers and pronouncements which do nothing more than skew information so as to appeal and pander to basic ‘tribal’ instincts and prejudices. UKIP’s only real policy is to be a focal point for a protest vote, which is why Farage is able to field candidates that include people who he is all too often forced to disown. Farage has freely admitted that his party has ‘plenty of idiots’ who he then ‘disowns’ (no background checks?), and based upon the ‘vote ukip’ commentators on this site, this area has its fair share. Given the generally poor performance of the representatives of the other parties - local and beyond - I’m leaning towards toward a party that, whilst being part of the 4th largest group in the European Parliament, is critical of the current direction and structure of the European Union, and which prefers in many cases a regional, national or global approach. It is also a party whose candidates tend to be well-educated, and not of the ‘knee-jerk’ xenophobic mentality. I’m currently thinking that a protest vote that benefits the Green Party is likely to be more productive, and ultimately benefit us all. navelgazer
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

Oh dear. another of those UKIP 'party idiots' Farage refers to:

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom
e-news/ukip-candidat
e-calls-for-death-pe
nalty-for-rivals-and
-traitors-9394850.ht
ml

You couldn't make it up!!
Oh dear. another of those UKIP 'party idiots' Farage refers to: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/ukip-candidat e-calls-for-death-pe nalty-for-rivals-and -traitors-9394850.ht ml You couldn't make it up!! woodsedge
  • Score: -3

1:27pm Mon 19 May 14

navelgazer says...

@ woodsedge

The following link shows the actual letter

http://tinyurl.com/p
hnkegf
@ woodsedge The following link shows the actual letter http://tinyurl.com/p hnkegf navelgazer
  • Score: -3

1:35pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

So there is your answer, cj and Sigurd the Echo voice for UKIP do not want to debate the party they allude to knowing so much about, and just reaffirms the fact that all they are happy to do is call names and remain angry.
So there is your answer, cj and Sigurd the Echo voice for UKIP do not want to debate the party they allude to knowing so much about, and just reaffirms the fact that all they are happy to do is call names and remain angry. woodsedge
  • Score: -2

1:44pm Mon 19 May 14

ksmain says...

woodsedge wrote:
So there is your answer, cj and Sigurd the Echo voice for UKIP do not want to debate the party they allude to knowing so much about, and just reaffirms the fact that all they are happy to do is call names and remain angry.
And this is why I think candidates should be independent - childish debates about events, name-calling and it all amounts to little bearing or discussion of any local issues.

If I was to exercise my 'protest' vote for UKIP you 3 are putting me off it and confirming why I shouldn't.
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: So there is your answer, cj and Sigurd the Echo voice for UKIP do not want to debate the party they allude to knowing so much about, and just reaffirms the fact that all they are happy to do is call names and remain angry.[/p][/quote]And this is why I think candidates should be independent - childish debates about events, name-calling and it all amounts to little bearing or discussion of any local issues. If I was to exercise my 'protest' vote for UKIP you 3 are putting me off it and confirming why I shouldn't. ksmain
  • Score: -4

2:17pm Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

I had a spare half hour this morning and decided to look at the link between immigration and house prices, as this seems to be a recurring theme when talking to UKIP supporters. I can't post it here, but i mapped average asking prices from 2001 to 2010 against net migration figures for those years.
I was surprised to find that up until 2008 there is a correlation - asking prices fluctuated in line with net migration, although the effect wasn't all that pronounced.However, this isn't the whole story, since there are confounding variables - for example, after 2008, immigration and house prices fell. Is this cause and effect? A more likely explanation is that house prices fell because financial markets ceased up, and as the economy contracted, immigrants went home. What is interesting, though, is what happened after 2008, up until 2011 (the latest published figures). Net migration rose by about 40% each year, but house prices drifted downwards by about 5% (on top of the big losses made the previous year). I think that this is fairly conclusive evidence that immigration is not driving house prices by an appreciable amount and that something else is happening. To me, that something is clear: availability of credit. Between 2008 and 2012, credit was constrained and prices fell. Before 2008 and after Osborne's disastrous H2B meddling, credit expanded and prices rose.
I just posted this as something that might be interesting to consider. Personally, I have issues with uncontrolled immigration, but those are unrelated to house prices.
I had a spare half hour this morning and decided to look at the link between immigration and house prices, as this seems to be a recurring theme when talking to UKIP supporters. I can't post it here, but i mapped average asking prices from 2001 to 2010 against net migration figures for those years. I was surprised to find that up until 2008 there is a correlation - asking prices fluctuated in line with net migration, although the effect wasn't all that pronounced.However, this isn't the whole story, since there are confounding variables - for example, after 2008, immigration and house prices fell. Is this cause and effect? A more likely explanation is that house prices fell because financial markets ceased up, and as the economy contracted, immigrants went home. What is interesting, though, is what happened after 2008, up until 2011 (the latest published figures). Net migration rose by about 40% each year, but house prices drifted downwards by about 5% (on top of the big losses made the previous year). I think that this is fairly conclusive evidence that immigration is not driving house prices by an appreciable amount and that something else is happening. To me, that something is clear: availability of credit. Between 2008 and 2012, credit was constrained and prices fell. Before 2008 and after Osborne's disastrous H2B meddling, credit expanded and prices rose. I just posted this as something that might be interesting to consider. Personally, I have issues with uncontrolled immigration, but those are unrelated to house prices. JamesYoung
  • Score: 6

2:35pm Mon 19 May 14

cosmick says...

James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices?
It must do.
James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices? It must do. cosmick
  • Score: 4

2:45pm Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

cosmick wrote:
James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices?
It must do.
I am only drawing a conclusion from what i can see in the data. Take a look for yourself. I suspect the "it must do" statement is driven by the misinformation we are all fed by estate agents. That is, we have a growing population and not enough houses. However, that is akin to saying that a growing population should push up the price of Ferraris: not everybody who moves to Britain wants to buy a house, and not everybody who wants to buy a house can afford to do so (salary, residency requirements for mortgage purposes, etc).
The pressure is probably on rental properties, but i cannot see any way of identifying how much of an impact immigration has, because the rental market is so badly distorted. It is interesting, though, that over the last 12 months the average rent rose by a little over 1%, which, in real terms, is a fall.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices? It must do.[/p][/quote]I am only drawing a conclusion from what i can see in the data. Take a look for yourself. I suspect the "it must do" statement is driven by the misinformation we are all fed by estate agents. That is, we have a growing population and not enough houses. However, that is akin to saying that a growing population should push up the price of Ferraris: not everybody who moves to Britain wants to buy a house, and not everybody who wants to buy a house can afford to do so (salary, residency requirements for mortgage purposes, etc). The pressure is probably on rental properties, but i cannot see any way of identifying how much of an impact immigration has, because the rental market is so badly distorted. It is interesting, though, that over the last 12 months the average rent rose by a little over 1%, which, in real terms, is a fall. JamesYoung
  • Score: 4

2:57pm Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.
PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people. JamesYoung
  • Score: 2

3:05pm Mon 19 May 14

Birdseye says...

cosmick wrote:
James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices?
It must do.
The number of European migrants in the UK is almost exactly balanced by the number of Britons living elsewhere in the EU, according to official figures.
About 1.8m Britons live in Europe, with Spain boasting an expat population of just over 1m UK citizens, according to government estimates.

Source: http://www.ft.com/cm
s/s/0/5cd640f6-9025-
11e3-a776-00144feab7
de.html

(Does Spain have a version of UKIP?)

But that's only Brits in Europe.
According to The Foreign and Commonwealth Office there are 13.1 million British nationals living abroad in 2004–05. These figures are taken from the consular annual returns from overseas posts. There is no requirement for UK citizens to register with British missions overseas and therefore these figures are based on the most reliable information that can be obtained e.g. from host government official statistics.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/British_dia
spora

And, ye Gods, from the Daily Mail:

Migrants set up one in seven companies in the UK, with people born abroad almost twice as likely to start a business
14% of companies in the UK were set up by people from abroad
17% of migrants in UK start a business, but just 10% of Brits do the same
Almost 500,000 people from 155 countries have started firms in the UK

Source: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2573732/Migrants-set
-one-seven-companies
-UK-people-born-abro
ad-twice-likely-star
t-business.html

So, do we want a country of dynamic people who arrive with nothing, but are prepared to make their own way to becoming potential employers?

Or do we want to be a country of whinging UKIPs, scapegoating immigrants instead of facing the hard facts.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices? It must do.[/p][/quote]The number of European migrants in the UK is almost exactly balanced by the number of Britons living elsewhere in the EU, according to official figures. About 1.8m Britons live in Europe, with Spain boasting an expat population of just over 1m UK citizens, according to government estimates. Source: http://www.ft.com/cm s/s/0/5cd640f6-9025- 11e3-a776-00144feab7 de.html (Does Spain have a version of UKIP?) But that's only Brits in Europe. According to The Foreign and Commonwealth Office there are 13.1 million British nationals living abroad in 2004–05. These figures are taken from the consular annual returns from overseas posts. There is no requirement for UK citizens to register with British missions overseas and therefore these figures are based on the most reliable information that can be obtained e.g. from host government official statistics. Source: http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/British_dia spora And, ye Gods, from the Daily Mail: Migrants set up one in seven companies in the UK, with people born abroad almost twice as likely to start a business 14% of companies in the UK were set up by people from abroad 17% of migrants in UK start a business, but just 10% of Brits do the same Almost 500,000 people from 155 countries have started firms in the UK Source: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2573732/Migrants-set -one-seven-companies -UK-people-born-abro ad-twice-likely-star t-business.html So, do we want a country of dynamic people who arrive with nothing, but are prepared to make their own way to becoming potential employers? Or do we want to be a country of whinging UKIPs, scapegoating immigrants instead of facing the hard facts. Birdseye
  • Score: -1

3:09pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

ksmain wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
ksmain wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
ksmain wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
ksmain wrote:
Sigurd Hoeberth wrote:
ksmain wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
So there is your answer, cj and Sigurd the Echo voice for UKIP do not want to debate the party they allude to knowing so much about, and just reaffirms the fact that all they are happy to do is call names and remain angry.
And this is why I think candidates should be independent - childish debates about events, name-calling and it all amounts to little bearing or discussion of any local issues.

If I was to exercise my 'protest' vote for UKIP you 3 are putting me off it and confirming why I shouldn't.
One wonders why you would decide a vote on members of the public and not the person up for election?
I think if you read the thread further up you will know exactly what I mean.

What exactly do you do for a living? Proof-reading?
Ah, so you make a sarcastic flippant comment after accusing others of the same? I see, righto.
One flippant remark deserves another.

You avoided my question of course.
" If I was to exercise my 'protest' vote for UKIP you 3 are putting me off it and confirming why I shouldn't. "

I replied, "
One wonders why you would decide a vote on members of the public and not the person up for election?"

How is that flippant? It is a perfectly reasonable question that I am sure anyone would want to know. Why would you base your vote on members of the public, instead of the person up for election? It is a straight forward question is it not? To whit you responded with side-stepping sarcasm to avoid answering which you just accused others of doing.

So can you answer it?
Yes - simple.

Your arguing over a particular party indicates to me why all candidates should be apolitical - and I would vote for that as instead of towing a party line I BELIEVE they would more accurately represent local interests - as I pointed out above.

Have you recently moved to the area or have discovered computers recently as I don't remember seeing your name much prior to this year in the comments section?
That's not answering it is it. I asked simply why would you vote based on what members on what the public say instead of the person up for election?

Again you reply with obfuscation and another personal remark that you condemn others for.
And again you avoid ANSWERING A QUESTION (twice now) - must admit I am wary of those that continually avoid questions or provide some clever excuse not to.
Careful ksmain, you will soon be privy to name calling and put into a Sigturd box, already your comments are getting the Sigturd multi account scoring!!
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: So there is your answer, cj and Sigurd the Echo voice for UKIP do not want to debate the party they allude to knowing so much about, and just reaffirms the fact that all they are happy to do is call names and remain angry.[/p][/quote]And this is why I think candidates should be independent - childish debates about events, name-calling and it all amounts to little bearing or discussion of any local issues. If I was to exercise my 'protest' vote for UKIP you 3 are putting me off it and confirming why I shouldn't.[/p][/quote]One wonders why you would decide a vote on members of the public and not the person up for election?[/p][/quote]I think if you read the thread further up you will know exactly what I mean. What exactly do you do for a living? Proof-reading?[/p][/quote]Ah, so you make a sarcastic flippant comment after accusing others of the same? I see, righto.[/p][/quote]One flippant remark deserves another. You avoided my question of course.[/p][/quote]" If I was to exercise my 'protest' vote for UKIP you 3 are putting me off it and confirming why I shouldn't. " I replied, " One wonders why you would decide a vote on members of the public and not the person up for election?" How is that flippant? It is a perfectly reasonable question that I am sure anyone would want to know. Why would you base your vote on members of the public, instead of the person up for election? It is a straight forward question is it not? To whit you responded with side-stepping sarcasm to avoid answering which you just accused others of doing. So can you answer it?[/p][/quote]Yes - simple. Your arguing over a particular party indicates to me why all candidates should be apolitical - and I would vote for that as instead of towing a party line I BELIEVE they would more accurately represent local interests - as I pointed out above. Have you recently moved to the area or have discovered computers recently as I don't remember seeing your name much prior to this year in the comments section?[/p][/quote]That's not answering it is it. I asked simply why would you vote based on what members on what the public say instead of the person up for election? Again you reply with obfuscation and another personal remark that you condemn others for.[/p][/quote]And again you avoid ANSWERING A QUESTION (twice now) - must admit I am wary of those that continually avoid questions or provide some clever excuse not to.[/p][/quote]Careful ksmain, you will soon be privy to name calling and put into a Sigturd box, already your comments are getting the Sigturd multi account scoring!! woodsedge
  • Score: -9

3:18pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

JamesYoung wrote:
PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.
James, you made the mistake of publishing factual data and not data from some obscure web site. Sigurd says "no rise is a fall" really says it all when you take account of other statistics like inflation, CPI, RPI, RPIJ. I am glad he doesn't represent anyone in pay negotiations!
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.[/p][/quote]James, you made the mistake of publishing factual data and not data from some obscure web site. Sigurd says "no rise is a fall" really says it all when you take account of other statistics like inflation, CPI, RPI, RPIJ. I am glad he doesn't represent anyone in pay negotiations! woodsedge
  • Score: -7

3:20pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

Sigurd Hoeberth 2 wrote:
Birdseye wrote:
cosmick wrote:
James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices?
It must do.
The number of European migrants in the UK is almost exactly balanced by the number of Britons living elsewhere in the EU, according to official figures.
About 1.8m Britons live in Europe, with Spain boasting an expat population of just over 1m UK citizens, according to government estimates.

Source: http://www.ft.com/cm


s/s/0/5cd640f6-9025-


11e3-a776-00144feab7


de.html

(Does Spain have a version of UKIP?)

But that's only Brits in Europe.
According to The Foreign and Commonwealth Office there are 13.1 million British nationals living abroad in 2004–05. These figures are taken from the consular annual returns from overseas posts. There is no requirement for UK citizens to register with British missions overseas and therefore these figures are based on the most reliable information that can be obtained e.g. from host government official statistics.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/British_dia


spora

And, ye Gods, from the Daily Mail:

Migrants set up one in seven companies in the UK, with people born abroad almost twice as likely to start a business
14% of companies in the UK were set up by people from abroad
17% of migrants in UK start a business, but just 10% of Brits do the same
Almost 500,000 people from 155 countries have started firms in the UK

Source: http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2573732/Migrants-set


-one-seven-companies


-UK-people-born-abro


ad-twice-likely-star


t-business.html

So, do we want a country of dynamic people who arrive with nothing, but are prepared to make their own way to becoming potential employers?

Or do we want to be a country of whinging UKIPs, scapegoating immigrants instead of facing the hard facts.
Here is a hard fact.

" UK-born individuals and foreign-born individuals have similar levels of participation in social housing (about 17% of UK-born individuals and 18% of foreign-born individuals were in social housing during 2011). "

We have a drastic shortage of social housing for our own people and migrants are using as much social housing as our own people.
Where is this sourced?
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Birdseye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices? It must do.[/p][/quote]The number of European migrants in the UK is almost exactly balanced by the number of Britons living elsewhere in the EU, according to official figures. About 1.8m Britons live in Europe, with Spain boasting an expat population of just over 1m UK citizens, according to government estimates. Source: http://www.ft.com/cm s/s/0/5cd640f6-9025- 11e3-a776-00144feab7 de.html (Does Spain have a version of UKIP?) But that's only Brits in Europe. According to The Foreign and Commonwealth Office there are 13.1 million British nationals living abroad in 2004–05. These figures are taken from the consular annual returns from overseas posts. There is no requirement for UK citizens to register with British missions overseas and therefore these figures are based on the most reliable information that can be obtained e.g. from host government official statistics. Source: http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/British_dia spora And, ye Gods, from the Daily Mail: Migrants set up one in seven companies in the UK, with people born abroad almost twice as likely to start a business 14% of companies in the UK were set up by people from abroad 17% of migrants in UK start a business, but just 10% of Brits do the same Almost 500,000 people from 155 countries have started firms in the UK Source: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2573732/Migrants-set -one-seven-companies -UK-people-born-abro ad-twice-likely-star t-business.html So, do we want a country of dynamic people who arrive with nothing, but are prepared to make their own way to becoming potential employers? Or do we want to be a country of whinging UKIPs, scapegoating immigrants instead of facing the hard facts.[/p][/quote]Here is a hard fact. " UK-born individuals and foreign-born individuals have similar levels of participation in social housing (about 17% of UK-born individuals and 18% of foreign-born individuals were in social housing during 2011). " We have a drastic shortage of social housing for our own people and migrants are using as much social housing as our own people.[/p][/quote]Where is this sourced? woodsedge
  • Score: -1

3:28pm Mon 19 May 14

jjlad2 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.
I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started.........
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.[/p][/quote]I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started......... jjlad2
  • Score: 10

3:39pm Mon 19 May 14

ksmain says...

jjlad2 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.
I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started.........
I agree. But personally you don't need to stop immigration - you need to stop the source which is our-overgenerous Social System. Then you can say - come here if you want but you will be entitled to nothing unless it is paid for by so many years contribution to the system. Then you are less likely to fall foul of the Eurocrats - who, less face it, are happy for migration here as then it isn't their problem. To me it appears an easy solution - little voting fallout and who is going to swap one economic poverty line for another.
[quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.[/p][/quote]I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started.........[/p][/quote]I agree. But personally you don't need to stop immigration - you need to stop the source which is our-overgenerous Social System. Then you can say - come here if you want but you will be entitled to nothing unless it is paid for by so many years contribution to the system. Then you are less likely to fall foul of the Eurocrats - who, less face it, are happy for migration here as then it isn't their problem. To me it appears an easy solution - little voting fallout and who is going to swap one economic poverty line for another. ksmain
  • Score: -2

3:55pm Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

jjlad2 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.
I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started.........
It is not racist to question immigration, but i think it is important not to blame immigration for systemic issues in our country, which was the reason that i referenced the house price argument. The banks and politicians would love us to keep believing that house prices must inexorably rise, so that we all act like sheep in creating "economic growth" - in reality, growth driven through debt.
Likewise, we need to recognise that British people move abroad too. We don't have an empire anymore, so immigration/emigrati
on is bound to be a two way street. What we do not need is uncontrolled immigration. It is now very difficult for well qualified Indian immigrants to move to Britain, because politicians have done what they always do - take the easy route and crack down on non EU immigration.
Personally, i would like to see a robust and factual debate about the benefits of common market membership - which i believe will be shown to benefit Britain - and political and fiscal union, which i believe will be a complete disaster. I also have concerns about the militarisation of the EU - we don't need an EU army or air force and, as i've said before, there is credible evidence that moves in this direction and causing friction between Europe and Russia.
UKIP have some good ideas, but do not expect much from them for the working man. Farage has close ties to the financial services industry - Paul Nuttall, MEP, for example, has actively campaigned against EU legislation that would bring down house prices and rents, instead taking the side of buy to let landlords. Its housing spokesman, Andrew Charalambous, has received £745,000 in housing benefit (i.e. cash from you and me) from his tenants - so you can't expect much support from him either. In fact, i think this is quite telling - if cutting immigration will cut rents, why is Charalambous so in favour of it? Answer: he knows damned well that immigration is having a marginal effect on rents.
[quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.[/p][/quote]I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started.........[/p][/quote]It is not racist to question immigration, but i think it is important not to blame immigration for systemic issues in our country, which was the reason that i referenced the house price argument. The banks and politicians would love us to keep believing that house prices must inexorably rise, so that we all act like sheep in creating "economic growth" - in reality, growth driven through debt. Likewise, we need to recognise that British people move abroad too. We don't have an empire anymore, so immigration/emigrati on is bound to be a two way street. What we do not need is uncontrolled immigration. It is now very difficult for well qualified Indian immigrants to move to Britain, because politicians have done what they always do - take the easy route and crack down on non EU immigration. Personally, i would like to see a robust and factual debate about the benefits of common market membership - which i believe will be shown to benefit Britain - and political and fiscal union, which i believe will be a complete disaster. I also have concerns about the militarisation of the EU - we don't need an EU army or air force and, as i've said before, there is credible evidence that moves in this direction and causing friction between Europe and Russia. UKIP have some good ideas, but do not expect much from them for the working man. Farage has close ties to the financial services industry - Paul Nuttall, MEP, for example, has actively campaigned against EU legislation that would bring down house prices and rents, instead taking the side of buy to let landlords. Its housing spokesman, Andrew Charalambous, has received £745,000 in housing benefit (i.e. cash from you and me) from his tenants - so you can't expect much support from him either. In fact, i think this is quite telling - if cutting immigration will cut rents, why is Charalambous so in favour of it? Answer: he knows damned well that immigration is having a marginal effect on rents. JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

4:01pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

Sigurd Hoeberth 2 wrote:
Can hardly have multi-accounts when they are deleted by a deeply bias newspaper woody. This is the true face of how corrupt and cowardly our media is. Things get a bit awkward and their liberal tantrums get someone stand up to them ,they censor and delete people. Someone starts getting more likes that is not "on message" they censor and delete.

Is it the fact I showed fact and source about migrants taking as much public housing stock as our own people while our people are on the streets and in desperate need of it? ? Painful truth that goes against the EU agenda which our media work for?


Cowards.
And your source is..............
[quote][p][bold]Sigurd Hoeberth 2[/bold] wrote: Can hardly have multi-accounts when they are deleted by a deeply bias newspaper woody. This is the true face of how corrupt and cowardly our media is. Things get a bit awkward and their liberal tantrums get someone stand up to them ,they censor and delete people. Someone starts getting more likes that is not "on message" they censor and delete. Is it the fact I showed fact and source about migrants taking as much public housing stock as our own people while our people are on the streets and in desperate need of it? ? Painful truth that goes against the EU agenda which our media work for? Cowards.[/p][/quote]And your source is.............. woodsedge
  • Score: -4

4:05pm Mon 19 May 14

ronfogg says...

Current betting:

2014 European Election most votes: UKIP 60%, Labour 32%, Conservatives 8%

2015 General Election UKIP MPs: None 50%, 1-5 20%, 6+ 30%, largest party 1%
Current betting: 2014 European Election most votes: UKIP 60%, Labour 32%, Conservatives 8% 2015 General Election UKIP MPs: None 50%, 1-5 20%, 6+ 30%, largest party 1% ronfogg
  • Score: 3

4:08pm Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

ronfogg wrote:
Current betting:

2014 European Election most votes: UKIP 60%, Labour 32%, Conservatives 8%

2015 General Election UKIP MPs: None 50%, 1-5 20%, 6+ 30%, largest party 1%
I would love to see UKIP win 6 seats. Any party gaining seats from the current mob is a good thing in terms of putting uncomfortable discussions on the table. However, my prediction is that we do not see any UKIP MPs in the next parliament.
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Current betting: 2014 European Election most votes: UKIP 60%, Labour 32%, Conservatives 8% 2015 General Election UKIP MPs: None 50%, 1-5 20%, 6+ 30%, largest party 1%[/p][/quote]I would love to see UKIP win 6 seats. Any party gaining seats from the current mob is a good thing in terms of putting uncomfortable discussions on the table. However, my prediction is that we do not see any UKIP MPs in the next parliament. JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

5:11pm Mon 19 May 14

Genghis says...

ksmain wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish.

I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.
Actually to decide that none of the candidates represent your views is a democratic choice and does not disqualify anybody from making complaints when they feel they need to. If you pay your income tax, council tax and all the other taxes you have every right to comment on how that money is used or misused by the politicians.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish. I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.[/p][/quote]Actually to decide that none of the candidates represent your views is a democratic choice and does not disqualify anybody from making complaints when they feel they need to. If you pay your income tax, council tax and all the other taxes you have every right to comment on how that money is used or misused by the politicians. Genghis
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Mon 19 May 14

ronfogg says...

Genghis wrote:
ksmain wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish.

I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.
Actually to decide that none of the candidates represent your views is a democratic choice and does not disqualify anybody from making complaints when they feel they need to. If you pay your income tax, council tax and all the other taxes you have every right to comment on how that money is used or misused by the politicians.
Never in history has there been a candidate that represented anyone's views. That would be impossible; no two people being alike. I'm happy to vote for the least worst candidate. As you say you have a right to not vote and indeed the whole basis of our democracy is that people are treated the same whether they voted for the ruling party or another party or not at all.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish. I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.[/p][/quote]Actually to decide that none of the candidates represent your views is a democratic choice and does not disqualify anybody from making complaints when they feel they need to. If you pay your income tax, council tax and all the other taxes you have every right to comment on how that money is used or misused by the politicians.[/p][/quote]Never in history has there been a candidate that represented anyone's views. That would be impossible; no two people being alike. I'm happy to vote for the least worst candidate. As you say you have a right to not vote and indeed the whole basis of our democracy is that people are treated the same whether they voted for the ruling party or another party or not at all. ronfogg
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Mon 19 May 14

Birdseye says...

@ sigurd.
You appear to be this website's UKIP spokesperson, so I shall assume that you must have a full grasp of how Farage intends to implement his proposed policies.

Before your keyboard melts, would you please tell me:

a) How UKIP will implement and fund the broadbrush aspirations that were in the local candidate's flyers?

b) How UKIP's European Manifesto policies will be implemented and funded?

Please provide reliable references for any facts and figures that you quote....
Statements from UKIP publications will not do, because every=body knows that political parties lie and mislead.
@ sigurd. You appear to be this website's UKIP spokesperson, so I shall assume that you must have a full grasp of how Farage intends to implement his proposed policies. Before your keyboard melts, would you please tell me: a) How UKIP will implement and fund the broadbrush aspirations that were in the local candidate's flyers? b) How UKIP's European Manifesto policies will be implemented and funded? Please provide reliable references for any facts and figures that you quote.... Statements from UKIP publications will not do, because every=body knows that political parties lie and mislead. Birdseye
  • Score: 2

6:42pm Mon 19 May 14

Genghis says...

ronfogg wrote:
Genghis wrote:
ksmain wrote:
woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish.

I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.
Actually to decide that none of the candidates represent your views is a democratic choice and does not disqualify anybody from making complaints when they feel they need to. If you pay your income tax, council tax and all the other taxes you have every right to comment on how that money is used or misused by the politicians.
Never in history has there been a candidate that represented anyone's views. That would be impossible; no two people being alike. I'm happy to vote for the least worst candidate. As you say you have a right to not vote and indeed the whole basis of our democracy is that people are treated the same whether they voted for the ruling party or another party or not at all.
Perhaps I should have said, none of the candidates inspire much confidence in me that they will carry through what they have put in their election leaflets.
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]Then basically your abdicate your right to have a say in how local issues are governed and really have little right to complain if things aren't being done locally as you wish. I feel the same but will still use my vote otherwise what is the point of having one? IMO this is also the message we are sending out to our kids - a kind of apathy that not voting and not showing an interest or understanding of politics is important - so can we blame them for being apathetic when we ourselves are? The answer is - not really.[/p][/quote]Actually to decide that none of the candidates represent your views is a democratic choice and does not disqualify anybody from making complaints when they feel they need to. If you pay your income tax, council tax and all the other taxes you have every right to comment on how that money is used or misused by the politicians.[/p][/quote]Never in history has there been a candidate that represented anyone's views. That would be impossible; no two people being alike. I'm happy to vote for the least worst candidate. As you say you have a right to not vote and indeed the whole basis of our democracy is that people are treated the same whether they voted for the ruling party or another party or not at all.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I should have said, none of the candidates inspire much confidence in me that they will carry through what they have put in their election leaflets. Genghis
  • Score: 0

7:16pm Mon 19 May 14

cosmick says...

A few points to pick up on comments made before.
The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts!
If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer.
This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes.
Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time.
You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will.
If you are on benefits it will.
Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will.
The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back.
For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY.
Now i wait for the flack.
A few points to pick up on comments made before. The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts! If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer. This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes. Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time. You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will. If you are on benefits it will. Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will. The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back. For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY. Now i wait for the flack. cosmick
  • Score: 3

7:23pm Mon 19 May 14

JamesYoung says...

cosmick wrote:
A few points to pick up on comments made before.
The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts!
If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer.
This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes.
Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time.
You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will.
If you are on benefits it will.
Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will.
The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back.
For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY.
Now i wait for the flack.
No flak from me, except to say that the house price argument is not borne out by the statistics.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: A few points to pick up on comments made before. The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts! If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer. This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes. Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time. You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will. If you are on benefits it will. Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will. The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back. For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY. Now i wait for the flack.[/p][/quote]No flak from me, except to say that the house price argument is not borne out by the statistics. JamesYoung
  • Score: 4

7:26pm Mon 19 May 14

woodsedge says...

I really, really start to worry when rational people on here appear to accept that individuals right to freedom of speech, allows them to overstep the line and make statements that would not be acceptable in a face to face conversation. In fact I think the individuals that hide behind their keyboard spouting opinions that verge on hate, wouldn't say boo to a goose if the conversation wasn't on line. I am happy to debate and accept the name calling when there are different points of view, but I will not concede to some of the unsubstantiated garbage and the singling out of certain groups that happens when certain individuals can hide behind their keyboard. I will wait to be called mangina or pseudo leftist or the other vile spill that is used on here, and in closing I will be going away!
I really, really start to worry when rational people on here appear to accept that individuals right to freedom of speech, allows them to overstep the line and make statements that would not be acceptable in a face to face conversation. In fact I think the individuals that hide behind their keyboard spouting opinions that verge on hate, wouldn't say boo to a goose if the conversation wasn't on line. I am happy to debate and accept the name calling when there are different points of view, but I will not concede to some of the unsubstantiated garbage and the singling out of certain groups that happens when certain individuals can hide behind their keyboard. I will wait to be called mangina or pseudo leftist or the other vile spill that is used on here, and in closing I will be going away! woodsedge
  • Score: -4

9:26pm Mon 19 May 14

radiator says...

jjlad2 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.
I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started.........
I couldnt agree more,this is the most sensible quote that I have read for days on this subject. I cant believe that anyone with any common sense could be upset by Nigel saying that he would'nt like a group of men moving in next to him the only mistake was that he said the word Romanian, thats not what I call racist,can anyone on these forums honestly say they would like a group of men moving next door to them dont matter where they come from.
Was it a racist remark from Gordon Brown then when he said British jobs for British people or this government driving around with billboards saying go home to immigrants? I watched the video today with the interview by OBrien and I thought that Farage handled it very well at least he answered the questions thats more than most other politicians do I also think that Ukip are not anti immigrant at all as they would welcome people over here if they have the skills we need as Australia for instance .
[quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: PS: if you read my initial post i said specifically that i was talking about house prices. I never mentioned social housing. I agree, it is concerning if immigrants are being housed ahead of local people.[/p][/quote]I believe this is one of the main reason along with a few others, that UKIP has strived on leaps and bounds in the last few years. i can understand why people keep throwing the "Racist" slogan at UKIP also, what i do not understand is why is it so wrong and Racist to do the following: stop immagrants coming to this country who do not contribute to our economy, stop giving hand outs to immigrants who do nothing, stop paying for illigal immigrants to those who are held in custody for what seems like years, if they are not heer legally, end of, 1st boat/plane back and make thier govt pay the fare, stop housing immagrants just because they are entitled to be here but do not contribute, stop donating billions of pounds to countries when our own economy is failing and stop paying and get out of Euro now, it is costing us millions daily with little or no return, Euro will still buy the same goods if we were in or out of Euro, businesses will always seek value for money World wide, not just because we are in "Europe". It is NOT Racist to want to have control over our own Country, and just because we say what others want to say but are afraid we are called Racist. well i for one am fed up being told by Euro what we can and cant do, our Govt is spineless, our Courts are spineless and our Armies are dessimated, i truly feel sorry for those that gave thier lives for our Country to see it thrown away. The Great has gone from Britain, Scotland and Wales seek indipendance, this is the time to stand together or we will end up being the bottom of the pile in the next generation. UKIP may not have all the Answers yet, but those in power never had any either, we have become a nanny state and a Yes state to Euro, time to get out, we suvivied before and we will survive again, why, because we will not be dictated to, thats how Wars started.........[/p][/quote]I couldnt agree more,this is the most sensible quote that I have read for days on this subject. I cant believe that anyone with any common sense could be upset by Nigel saying that he would'nt like a group of men moving in next to him the only mistake was that he said the word Romanian, thats not what I call racist,can anyone on these forums honestly say they would like a group of men moving next door to them dont matter where they come from. Was it a racist remark from Gordon Brown then when he said British jobs for British people or this government driving around with billboards saying go home to immigrants? I watched the video today with the interview by OBrien and I thought that Farage handled it very well at least he answered the questions thats more than most other politicians do I also think that Ukip are not anti immigrant at all as they would welcome people over here if they have the skills we need as Australia for instance . radiator
  • Score: 0

11:15pm Mon 19 May 14

breamoreboy says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
This is being actively discussed. Meanwhile I make up for the missing box by placing a large X right across the paper as that strikes me as the next best thing.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]This is being actively discussed. Meanwhile I make up for the missing box by placing a large X right across the paper as that strikes me as the next best thing. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

11:27pm Mon 19 May 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
I was told by someone who worked in politics that if you write across the boxes with a comment and don't fill a box, they are forced to read it out.
Id dearly like to believe that was true.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]I was told by someone who worked in politics that if you write across the boxes with a comment and don't fill a box, they are forced to read it out. Id dearly like to believe that was true. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -1

11:32pm Mon 19 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cosmick wrote:
James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices?
It must do.
No it doesn't. Many are "housed" where they can be crammed in by unscrupulous landlords, with garages making as good a place as any. I saw this on TV a couple of weeks ago, I'm sorry but I can't remember which channel.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: James are you saying that more people comming to our country will not make any difference on house prices? It must do.[/p][/quote]No it doesn't. Many are "housed" where they can be crammed in by unscrupulous landlords, with garages making as good a place as any. I saw this on TV a couple of weeks ago, I'm sorry but I can't remember which channel. breamoreboy
  • Score: -3

11:33pm Mon 19 May 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more.
I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist.
Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently.
Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more. I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist. Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: 0

7:49am Tue 20 May 14

livid99 says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
What are UKIp's policies, if any, on anything, beyond blaming Brussels and/or immigrants for everything? If someone might perhaps be able to give a brief outline or précis of their policies and how they might be beneficial to the local area, perhaps we might be able to assess them rationally beyond blaming Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything? Or is there policy just to blame Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything?
Yes, I think that must be their only policy.
None of the UKIP supporters seem to respond to direct policy questions.
If it involves immigrants (particularly Romanians) they crow about it, but things which directly affect peoples lives, like health care, energy, transport.....they are silent.
I can only assume that if the most important thing in life is that you want to feel safe from having "foreigners" living next door then vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: What are UKIp's policies, if any, on anything, beyond blaming Brussels and/or immigrants for everything? If someone might perhaps be able to give a brief outline or précis of their policies and how they might be beneficial to the local area, perhaps we might be able to assess them rationally beyond blaming Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything? Or is there policy just to blame Brussels, and/or immigrants, for everything?[/p][/quote]Yes, I think that must be their only policy. None of the UKIP supporters seem to respond to direct policy questions. If it involves immigrants (particularly Romanians) they crow about it, but things which directly affect peoples lives, like health care, energy, transport.....they are silent. I can only assume that if the most important thing in life is that you want to feel safe from having "foreigners" living next door then vote UKIP. livid99
  • Score: 0

9:43am Tue 20 May 14

cj07589 says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more. I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist. Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently.
I hope you find yourself on the receiving end of deformation law suit (deformation act 2013) wholly inappropriate unsubstantiated unjustified slanderous comments at best.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more. I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist. Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently.[/p][/quote]I hope you find yourself on the receiving end of deformation law suit (deformation act 2013) wholly inappropriate unsubstantiated unjustified slanderous comments at best. cj07589
  • Score: 7

9:59am Tue 20 May 14

navelgazer says...

Sigurd Hoeberth 2 wrote:
"

Time to lead this country out of the psuedo-marxist EU, rid ourselves of the lazy childish matriarchal mediocrity that suckles on the teet of welfare socialism and stand up once again, proudly as British.

....................
....................
...
Lets look at the bigger picture:

In the years preceding the “War to end all Wars” there was a change in European societies. Peoples who had been part of mixed societies - ethnicity, language, and even religion – had coexisted reasonably well, were persuaded by various means (assassinations, terrorist bombings, etc) that nationalism was the way ahead.

To a certain extent, particularly in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the persuasion was assisted by the ruthless reactions of the ruling classes who also clamped down upon such ‘vices’ as artistic expression – visual arts, music, dancing (German Officers were told not to dance the Tango), and literature – anything that could be somehow deemed ‘subversive’, including those of the Jewish faith, different ethnicities, and religious symbolism.

At the same time, the conservative old guard insisted that parents instil in the children the ‘core family values’ of religious belief and obedience to authority.
As if in an unconscious preparation for war, doubtless assisted by the fashionable ideology of 'social Darwinism' that converted and corrupted Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection by aligning it to the short-term rise and fall of nations, young people were 'toughened'.

Well, we all know how that ended- with millions of those trained in obedience marching gladly to death for a cause that they, nor most of their leaders, fully understood.
But it didn’t end there of course, because the same process led to the rise of Nazi ideology and a second round of world-wide genocides, death and destruction in which the European counties were gain the biggest losers.

Just an extract from Wikipedia:
WW1 – In excess of 37 Million military and civilian casualties.
WW2 –In excess of 60 Million military and civilian deaths, (over 80 million if war-related disease and famine are included, the figure rises to some 80 Million.

The EU has its problems of course, but it has also brought the European continent decades of peace., and the opportunity for the populations of the member states to understand that we are all one species. The more enlightened realise that there are no ubermenschen or untermenscen. And intermarriage rates – particularly amongst the better educated – soar as stereotypes fall ... even Farage has a German wife. There is a two-way migration of people between Britain and Continental Europe. (The numbers going each way are roughly balanced, so the housing issue that has been raised by others would still exist if nobody left their countries of origin)

Now, in the echoes of the movements that led to two World Wars, we see again the rise of nationalism following its usual agenda of instilling fear by creating ethnic and religious stereotypes as targets for intolerance, rabble-rousing, and religious persecution.
(Some would point out that islamist terror groups, for example, are doing just that, but that’s a pretty poor reason for allowing Europe to be dragged down to that level.)

In the past 100 years Europe has practically committed suicide on two occasions. Now, at a time when US influence is on the decline, Europe needs more unity and sense of purpose than ever before.
That is why I shall NOT be supporting any political party or candidate that wants to divide in order for their leaders to rule.
Sigurd Hoeberth 2 wrote: " Time to lead this country out of the psuedo-marxist EU, rid ourselves of the lazy childish matriarchal mediocrity that suckles on the teet of welfare socialism and stand up once again, proudly as British. .................... .................... ... Lets look at the bigger picture: In the years preceding the “War to end all Wars” there was a change in European societies. Peoples who had been part of mixed societies - ethnicity, language, and even religion – had coexisted reasonably well, were persuaded by various means (assassinations, terrorist bombings, etc) that nationalism was the way ahead. To a certain extent, particularly in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the persuasion was assisted by the ruthless reactions of the ruling classes who also clamped down upon such ‘vices’ as artistic expression – visual arts, music, dancing (German Officers were told not to dance the Tango), and literature – anything that could be somehow deemed ‘subversive’, including those of the Jewish faith, different ethnicities, and religious symbolism. At the same time, the conservative old guard insisted that parents instil in the children the ‘core family values’ of religious belief and obedience to authority. As if in an unconscious preparation for war, doubtless assisted by the fashionable ideology of 'social Darwinism' that converted and corrupted Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection by aligning it to the short-term rise and fall of nations, young people were 'toughened'. Well, we all know how that ended- with millions of those trained in obedience marching gladly to death for a cause that they, nor most of their leaders, fully understood. But it didn’t end there of course, because the same process led to the rise of Nazi ideology and a second round of world-wide genocides, death and destruction in which the European counties were gain the biggest losers. Just an extract from Wikipedia: WW1 – In excess of 37 Million military and civilian casualties. WW2 –In excess of 60 Million military and civilian deaths, (over 80 million if war-related disease and famine are included, the figure rises to some 80 Million. The EU has its problems of course, but it has also brought the European continent decades of peace., and the opportunity for the populations of the member states to understand that we are all one species. The more enlightened realise that there are no ubermenschen or untermenscen. And intermarriage rates – particularly amongst the better educated – soar as stereotypes fall ... even Farage has a German wife. There is a two-way migration of people between Britain and Continental Europe. (The numbers going each way are roughly balanced, so the housing issue that has been raised by others would still exist if nobody left their countries of origin) Now, in the echoes of the movements that led to two World Wars, we see again the rise of nationalism following its usual agenda of instilling fear by creating ethnic and religious stereotypes as targets for intolerance, rabble-rousing, and religious persecution. (Some would point out that islamist terror groups, for example, are doing just that, but that’s a pretty poor reason for allowing Europe to be dragged down to that level.) In the past 100 years Europe has practically committed suicide on two occasions. Now, at a time when US influence is on the decline, Europe needs more unity and sense of purpose than ever before. That is why I shall NOT be supporting any political party or candidate that wants to divide in order for their leaders to rule. navelgazer
  • Score: 1

10:27am Tue 20 May 14

navelgazer says...

Apologies for a couple of typos... Echo, where is your edit function?
Apologies for a couple of typos... Echo, where is your edit function? navelgazer
  • Score: 3

11:58am Tue 20 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

@hoeberth

Ref your reply to Navelgazer at 10:36.

I'd like to know your source regarding the Jews in Russia.

I've found the 80% figure on the website of the Institute for Historical Review.

What an interesting site that is.
I read that it was founded in 1978 by David McCalden (also known as Lewis Brandon), a former member of the British National Front, and Willis Carto, the head of the now-defunct antisemitic organization known as Liberty Lobby.

I've not been able to find any other source for such information... but then I'm not prepared to put my head up your backside.
@hoeberth Ref your reply to Navelgazer at 10:36. I'd like to know your source regarding the Jews in Russia. I've found the 80% figure on the website of the Institute for Historical Review. What an interesting site that is. I read that it was founded in 1978 by David McCalden (also known as Lewis Brandon), a former member of the British National Front, and Willis Carto, the head of the now-defunct antisemitic organization known as Liberty Lobby. I've not been able to find any other source for such information... but then I'm not prepared to put my head up your backside. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: -1

4:42pm Tue 20 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

@hoeberth

You evidently missed the sarcasm about the website of the Institute for Historical Review.

It's a website that is full of non peer -reviewed information from
is an organization whose primary purpose is to disseminate views denying key facts of Nazism and the genocide of Jews and other victims.

In a misguided bid to enlist mainstream historians to its cause, IHR obtained the 12,000-member mailing list of the Organization of American Historians, to which it sent copies of the Journal of Historical Review. The group also sent mailings to members of the American Historical Association and to subscribers of the scholarly journals Central European History and German Quarterly. Unsurprisingly, these efforts backfired: all of the organizations and journals repudiated IHR and promised to keep the group away from their mailing lists in the future. The Organization of American Historians went further, commissioning a study of IHR's materials. The results were damning, with a panel finding that the Journal of Historical Review was "nothing but a masquerade of scholarship."

It is, however, the only source that I found for your claim. What you believe Putin may have said is irrelevant, because a politician's comments are all too often more 'convenient' than truthful.

The extreme agenda of the IHR, and the BNP background of one of its founders prompted me to looking at the mailing list of BNP members that was released by Wikileaks. Interesting that quite a few people from that list are now standing as UKIP candidates.

Several on that list live in the Weymouth and Portland area. You should take a look.
@hoeberth You evidently missed the sarcasm about the website of the Institute for Historical Review. It's a website that is full of non peer -reviewed information from is an organization whose primary purpose is to disseminate views denying key facts of Nazism and the genocide of Jews and other victims. In a misguided bid to enlist mainstream historians to its cause, IHR obtained the 12,000-member mailing list of the Organization of American Historians, to which it sent copies of the Journal of Historical Review. The group also sent mailings to members of the American Historical Association and to subscribers of the scholarly journals Central European History and German Quarterly. Unsurprisingly, these efforts backfired: all of the organizations and journals repudiated IHR and promised to keep the group away from their mailing lists in the future. The Organization of American Historians went further, commissioning a study of IHR's materials. The results were damning, with a panel finding that the Journal of Historical Review was "nothing but a masquerade of scholarship." It is, however, the only source that I found for your claim. What you believe Putin may have said is irrelevant, because a politician's comments are all too often more 'convenient' than truthful. The extreme agenda of the IHR, and the BNP background of one of its founders prompted me to looking at the mailing list of BNP members that was released by Wikileaks. Interesting that quite a few people from that list are now standing as UKIP candidates. Several on that list live in the Weymouth and Portland area. You should take a look. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: -4

5:04pm Tue 20 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

The definition of a FACT is something that is known / proven to be true.

You express opinions, call them facts, but NEVER back them up with credible links to their source.

You do however seem to have a close following on here, so close to be suspicious, I'd suggest.

I'm not usually rude, but in your case I can make an exception.
IMHO you suffer from diarrhea of the mouth; constipation of the ideas.
The definition of a FACT is something that is known / proven to be true. You express opinions, call them facts, but NEVER back them up with credible links to their source. You do however seem to have a close following on here, so close to be suspicious, I'd suggest. I'm not usually rude, but in your case I can make an exception. IMHO you suffer from diarrhea of the mouth; constipation of the ideas. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: -6

5:23pm Tue 20 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

None that I'm aware of from this area (yet)
Thank you for your offer, but I'll send my information to an organisation that will be interested in checking it out.

Incidentally, read the following link to see the similarities between UKIP and the BNP.

http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/quiz
/2014/may/19/quiz-bn
p-ukip-quotes-who-sa
id-what

Fini.
None that I'm aware of from this area (yet) Thank you for your offer, but I'll send my information to an organisation that will be interested in checking it out. Incidentally, read the following link to see the similarities between UKIP and the BNP. http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/quiz /2014/may/19/quiz-bn p-ukip-quotes-who-sa id-what Fini. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: -6

6:37pm Tue 20 May 14

radiator says...

Alll this talk about brits living in Spain, the vast majority have gone there to retire and presumably living off of their Pensions not taking the work of the Spanish.Another thing keeps cropping up is UKIPS agenda and policy you have listened to the man he hasnt got one for the general election the same as the rest of the party's at least he isnt making promises they wont keep like the rest of them. You either loathe Nigel Farage or like him you have got to give him credit for standing up to the intense bully boy tactics of the the three main partys typical of bullies they are gutless and the only way is to smear the party that has got the guts to say what a lot of people think.
Alll this talk about brits living in Spain, the vast majority have gone there to retire and presumably living off of their Pensions not taking the work of the Spanish.Another thing keeps cropping up is UKIPS agenda and policy you have listened to the man he hasnt got one for the general election the same as the rest of the party's at least he isnt making promises they wont keep like the rest of them. You either loathe Nigel Farage or like him you have got to give him credit for standing up to the intense bully boy tactics of the the three main partys typical of bullies they are gutless and the only way is to smear the party that has got the guts to say what a lot of people think. radiator
  • Score: 7

8:17am Wed 21 May 14

cosmick says...

cosmick wrote:
A few points to pick up on comments made before.
The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts!
If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer.
This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes.
Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time.
You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will.
If you are on benefits it will.
Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will.
The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back.
For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY.
Now i wait for the flack.
Good morrning , please get out tommorow and vote UKIP, You know it makes sence.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: A few points to pick up on comments made before. The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts! If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer. This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes. Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time. You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will. If you are on benefits it will. Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will. The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back. For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY. Now i wait for the flack.[/p][/quote]Good morrning , please get out tommorow and vote UKIP, You know it makes sence. cosmick
  • Score: -1

12:35pm Wed 21 May 14

JamesYoung says...

radiator wrote:
Alll this talk about brits living in Spain, the vast majority have gone there to retire and presumably living off of their Pensions not taking the work of the Spanish.Another thing keeps cropping up is UKIPS agenda and policy you have listened to the man he hasnt got one for the general election the same as the rest of the party's at least he isnt making promises they wont keep like the rest of them. You either loathe Nigel Farage or like him you have got to give him credit for standing up to the intense bully boy tactics of the the three main partys typical of bullies they are gutless and the only way is to smear the party that has got the guts to say what a lot of people think.
I just took a look at EuroStats (EU statistic collecting body) and found this breakdown of the number of houses, and the number of people, in each country, to demonstrate that we do not have a massive problem with overpopulation pushing up house prices. The numbers are really interesting! Not only does the UK fare quite well in terms of our other European partners when it comes to the ratio of people to houses, but the countries who apparently have the highest ratios are also those who have suffered the biggest property crashes, which (i) demonstrates that population does not have a direct impact on house prices (probably for the same reason as the number of people living near a Ferrari shop doesn't affect how many Ferraris get sold) and therefore (ii) house prices are not affected at present by immigration.
Population Homes Ra
tio:People:Homes
Norway 4,520,947 1,9
61,548 2.304785302
UK 58,291,008 24,388
,467 2.390105454
France 58,513,700 23
,808,072 2.457725262

Italy 56,995,744 21,
653,288 2.632198122
Spain 40,595,861 14,
184,026 2.862083093
Ireland 3,858,495 1,
279,617 3.015351468
[quote][p][bold]radiator[/bold] wrote: Alll this talk about brits living in Spain, the vast majority have gone there to retire and presumably living off of their Pensions not taking the work of the Spanish.Another thing keeps cropping up is UKIPS agenda and policy you have listened to the man he hasnt got one for the general election the same as the rest of the party's at least he isnt making promises they wont keep like the rest of them. You either loathe Nigel Farage or like him you have got to give him credit for standing up to the intense bully boy tactics of the the three main partys typical of bullies they are gutless and the only way is to smear the party that has got the guts to say what a lot of people think.[/p][/quote]I just took a look at EuroStats (EU statistic collecting body) and found this breakdown of the number of houses, and the number of people, in each country, to demonstrate that we do not have a massive problem with overpopulation pushing up house prices. The numbers are really interesting! Not only does the UK fare quite well in terms of our other European partners when it comes to the ratio of people to houses, but the countries who apparently have the highest ratios are also those who have suffered the biggest property crashes, which (i) demonstrates that population does not have a direct impact on house prices (probably for the same reason as the number of people living near a Ferrari shop doesn't affect how many Ferraris get sold) and therefore (ii) house prices are not affected at present by immigration. Population Homes Ra tio:People:Homes Norway 4,520,947 1,9 61,548 2.304785302 UK 58,291,008 24,388 ,467 2.390105454 France 58,513,700 23 ,808,072 2.457725262 Italy 56,995,744 21, 653,288 2.632198122 Spain 40,595,861 14, 184,026 2.862083093 Ireland 3,858,495 1, 279,617 3.015351468 JamesYoung
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Wed 21 May 14

ronfogg says...

JamesYoung wrote:
radiator wrote:
Alll this talk about brits living in Spain, the vast majority have gone there to retire and presumably living off of their Pensions not taking the work of the Spanish.Another thing keeps cropping up is UKIPS agenda and policy you have listened to the man he hasnt got one for the general election the same as the rest of the party's at least he isnt making promises they wont keep like the rest of them. You either loathe Nigel Farage or like him you have got to give him credit for standing up to the intense bully boy tactics of the the three main partys typical of bullies they are gutless and the only way is to smear the party that has got the guts to say what a lot of people think.
I just took a look at EuroStats (EU statistic collecting body) and found this breakdown of the number of houses, and the number of people, in each country, to demonstrate that we do not have a massive problem with overpopulation pushing up house prices. The numbers are really interesting! Not only does the UK fare quite well in terms of our other European partners when it comes to the ratio of people to houses, but the countries who apparently have the highest ratios are also those who have suffered the biggest property crashes, which (i) demonstrates that population does not have a direct impact on house prices (probably for the same reason as the number of people living near a Ferrari shop doesn't affect how many Ferraris get sold) and therefore (ii) house prices are not affected at present by immigration.
Population Homes Ra

tio:People:Homes
Norway 4,520,947 1,9

61,548 2.304785302
UK 58,291,008 24,388

,467 2.390105454
France 58,513,700 23

,808,072 2.457725262


Italy 56,995,744 21,

653,288 2.632198122
Spain 40,595,861 14,

184,026 2.862083093
Ireland 3,858,495 1,

279,617 3.015351468
Yes. some interesting stats.

Number of homes is perhaps a bit vague. I've heard before that we have the smallest homes in Europe, so house size comes into the equation too. Split a large house into n flats presumably produces n homes where there was 1 before.

Of course the real reason why house prices are so high in the UK is nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with our very restrictive planning rules. These planning rules were introduced before the Common Market was even thought of. Unlike many of our European neighbours much of the price of our property is the land, not the house/home. A dramatic relaxing of our planning rules would cause a dramatic reduction in house prices. Personally I can't see it happening; too many vested interests in keeping them high. Suspect most UKIP voters are already home owners so even if they were elected there would be no changes in that area. All the parties talk about increasing supply but the reality is that none of their policies achieve anything in that area. Indeed the latest Conservative policies (subsidising mortgages) are clearly pushing up house prices even more, benefiting the current generation of buyers at the expense of the next. A bit like Maggie's sale council houses.

All rather depressing for the next generation or two of youngsters. Personally I suggest they move to France.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]radiator[/bold] wrote: Alll this talk about brits living in Spain, the vast majority have gone there to retire and presumably living off of their Pensions not taking the work of the Spanish.Another thing keeps cropping up is UKIPS agenda and policy you have listened to the man he hasnt got one for the general election the same as the rest of the party's at least he isnt making promises they wont keep like the rest of them. You either loathe Nigel Farage or like him you have got to give him credit for standing up to the intense bully boy tactics of the the three main partys typical of bullies they are gutless and the only way is to smear the party that has got the guts to say what a lot of people think.[/p][/quote]I just took a look at EuroStats (EU statistic collecting body) and found this breakdown of the number of houses, and the number of people, in each country, to demonstrate that we do not have a massive problem with overpopulation pushing up house prices. The numbers are really interesting! Not only does the UK fare quite well in terms of our other European partners when it comes to the ratio of people to houses, but the countries who apparently have the highest ratios are also those who have suffered the biggest property crashes, which (i) demonstrates that population does not have a direct impact on house prices (probably for the same reason as the number of people living near a Ferrari shop doesn't affect how many Ferraris get sold) and therefore (ii) house prices are not affected at present by immigration. Population Homes Ra tio:People:Homes Norway 4,520,947 1,9 61,548 2.304785302 UK 58,291,008 24,388 ,467 2.390105454 France 58,513,700 23 ,808,072 2.457725262 Italy 56,995,744 21, 653,288 2.632198122 Spain 40,595,861 14, 184,026 2.862083093 Ireland 3,858,495 1, 279,617 3.015351468[/p][/quote]Yes. some interesting stats. Number of homes is perhaps a bit vague. I've heard before that we have the smallest homes in Europe, so house size comes into the equation too. Split a large house into n flats presumably produces n homes where there was 1 before. Of course the real reason why house prices are so high in the UK is nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with our very restrictive planning rules. These planning rules were introduced before the Common Market was even thought of. Unlike many of our European neighbours much of the price of our property is the land, not the house/home. A dramatic relaxing of our planning rules would cause a dramatic reduction in house prices. Personally I can't see it happening; too many vested interests in keeping them high. Suspect most UKIP voters are already home owners so even if they were elected there would be no changes in that area. All the parties talk about increasing supply but the reality is that none of their policies achieve anything in that area. Indeed the latest Conservative policies (subsidising mortgages) are clearly pushing up house prices even more, benefiting the current generation of buyers at the expense of the next. A bit like Maggie's sale council houses. All rather depressing for the next generation or two of youngsters. Personally I suggest they move to France. ronfogg
  • Score: -1

10:04am Thu 22 May 14

livid99 says...

cosmick wrote:
A few points to pick up on comments made before.
The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts!
If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer.
This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes.
Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time.
You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will.
If you are on benefits it will.
Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will.
The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back.
For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY.
Now i wait for the flack.
For my own sake and the sake of my country, I have NOT voted UKIP today.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: A few points to pick up on comments made before. The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts! If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer. This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes. Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time. You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will. If you are on benefits it will. Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will. The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back. For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY. Now i wait for the flack.[/p][/quote]For my own sake and the sake of my country, I have NOT voted UKIP today. livid99
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Thu 22 May 14

breamoreboy says...

JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Please take a look here http://blog.38degree
s.org.uk/2014/03/21/
38-degrees-in-parlia
ment/ as a starter, there's actually video of the actual committee meeting.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Please take a look here http://blog.38degree s.org.uk/2014/03/21/ 38-degrees-in-parlia ment/ as a starter, there's actually video of the actual committee meeting. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Thu 22 May 14

breamoreboy says...

portland rebel wrote:
i have not read, or heard anything from our local election candidates, so i will be voting, that not one of them is worth my vote because i do not know what they stand for.
Unless they are genuinely independent they stand for toeing the party line, which is completely wrong at local level.
[quote][p][bold]portland rebel[/bold] wrote: i have not read, or heard anything from our local election candidates, so i will be voting, that not one of them is worth my vote because i do not know what they stand for.[/p][/quote]Unless they are genuinely independent they stand for toeing the party line, which is completely wrong at local level. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

2:11pm Thu 22 May 14

breamoreboy says...

woodsedge wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.
Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.
What weird scores, JamesYoung 7, poor old woody agrees and gets -11. Nowt as queer as UKIP supporters?
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: I refuse to waste my vote in legitimising any of the parties on offer. Where's the "none of the above" box.[/p][/quote]Agreed, none of them are worthy of the vote of the electorate.[/p][/quote]What weird scores, JamesYoung 7, poor old woody agrees and gets -11. Nowt as queer as UKIP supporters? breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Thu 22 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more. I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist. Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently.
I hope you find yourself on the receiving end of deformation law suit (deformation act 2013) wholly inappropriate unsubstantiated unjustified slanderous comments at best.
Congratulations, that's the funniest thing I've read for months if not years.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more. I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist. Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently.[/p][/quote]I hope you find yourself on the receiving end of deformation law suit (deformation act 2013) wholly inappropriate unsubstantiated unjustified slanderous comments at best.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, that's the funniest thing I've read for months if not years. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

2:59pm Thu 22 May 14

codlips says...

livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
A few points to pick up on comments made before.
The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts!
If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer.
This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes.
Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time.
You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will.
If you are on benefits it will.
Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will.
The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back.
For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY.
Now i wait for the flack.
For my own sake and the sake of my country, I have NOT voted UKIP today.
Well done you, a vote for more of the brilliant leadership we've had from our fantastic, fore running, forward thinking political parties of the 21st century, or you could say, 'more of the same sh!te to come.'
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: A few points to pick up on comments made before. The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts! If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer. This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes. Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time. You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will. If you are on benefits it will. Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will. The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back. For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY. Now i wait for the flack.[/p][/quote]For my own sake and the sake of my country, I have NOT voted UKIP today.[/p][/quote]Well done you, a vote for more of the brilliant leadership we've had from our fantastic, fore running, forward thinking political parties of the 21st century, or you could say, 'more of the same sh!te to come.' codlips
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Thu 22 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Just been and spoiled my vote. Also grazed my left hand, all down to gay marriage of course. At least I assume that's what caused the earlier thunderstorm and heavy rain which formed the puddle that hid the pavement that I hit, causing me to fall off of my bike.
Just been and spoiled my vote. Also grazed my left hand, all down to gay marriage of course. At least I assume that's what caused the earlier thunderstorm and heavy rain which formed the puddle that hid the pavement that I hit, causing me to fall off of my bike. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

3:14pm Thu 22 May 14

codlips says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Just been and spoiled my vote. Also grazed my left hand, all down to gay marriage of course. At least I assume that's what caused the earlier thunderstorm and heavy rain which formed the puddle that hid the pavement that I hit, causing me to fall off of my bike.
What a waste of time and a journey, why bother?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: Just been and spoiled my vote. Also grazed my left hand, all down to gay marriage of course. At least I assume that's what caused the earlier thunderstorm and heavy rain which formed the puddle that hid the pavement that I hit, causing me to fall off of my bike.[/p][/quote]What a waste of time and a journey, why bother? codlips
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Thu 22 May 14

livid99 says...

codlips wrote:
livid99 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
A few points to pick up on comments made before.
The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts!
If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer.
This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes.
Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time.
You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will.
If you are on benefits it will.
Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will.
The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back.
For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY.
Now i wait for the flack.
For my own sake and the sake of my country, I have NOT voted UKIP today.
Well done you, a vote for more of the brilliant leadership we've had from our fantastic, fore running, forward thinking political parties of the 21st century, or you could say, 'more of the same sh!te to come.'
Indeed, that may well be the case. But it is still better than having UKIP in charge
[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: A few points to pick up on comments made before. The people who come to this country from the E/U under the free movement of labour and start there own companys/ self employment are not as good as the figures lead you to think, as they are entitled to in work benefits if the money the earn will not cover cost of living /rent ect. So the get handouts! If they work self employed and have a family here they are entitled to be on the social house list and that means points means houses or acommadation. Maybe private rented with a handout from the taxpayer. This will help private landlords buying up the houseing stock, which will push up prices of homes. Kids schooling maybe they dont talk ENGLISH. This means your kids suffer more because less teacher time. You may think this will not be a worry to you, BUT if you are working for a living with a family it will. If you are on benefits it will. Some areas of this country have been destroyed by open immigration dont for one second think it wont happen in DORSET it will. The area and lives will be changed and there will be no going back. For your own sake and the sake of your future VOTE UKIP THURSDAY. Now i wait for the flack.[/p][/quote]For my own sake and the sake of my country, I have NOT voted UKIP today.[/p][/quote]Well done you, a vote for more of the brilliant leadership we've had from our fantastic, fore running, forward thinking political parties of the 21st century, or you could say, 'more of the same sh!te to come.'[/p][/quote]Indeed, that may well be the case. But it is still better than having UKIP in charge livid99
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Thu 22 May 14

breamoreboy says...

codlips wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
Just been and spoiled my vote. Also grazed my left hand, all down to gay marriage of course. At least I assume that's what caused the earlier thunderstorm and heavy rain which formed the puddle that hid the pavement that I hit, causing me to fall off of my bike.
What a waste of time and a journey, why bother?
To make the point that I don't trust any of them and I know the lot of them to be completely useless. Also to state that I've made the effort for the "you didn't vote so you have no say" crew.
[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: Just been and spoiled my vote. Also grazed my left hand, all down to gay marriage of course. At least I assume that's what caused the earlier thunderstorm and heavy rain which formed the puddle that hid the pavement that I hit, causing me to fall off of my bike.[/p][/quote]What a waste of time and a journey, why bother?[/p][/quote]To make the point that I don't trust any of them and I know the lot of them to be completely useless. Also to state that I've made the effort for the "you didn't vote so you have no say" crew. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

7:36pm Thu 22 May 14

riverbend says...

With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward.
If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election.
Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required.
To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it
With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward. If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election. Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required. To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it riverbend
  • Score: 4

9:58pm Thu 22 May 14

breamoreboy says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more. I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist. Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently.
I hope you find yourself on the receiving end of deformation law suit (deformation act 2013) wholly inappropriate unsubstantiated unjustified slanderous comments at best.
Congratulations, that's the funniest thing I've read for months if not years.
I was wrong, this is even better http://tinyurl.com/p
mz78zw
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: Since Ive previously had my comments making a link between ukip and the third reich removed because obviously its unfair apparently, I won't be able to do that any more. I definitely won't mentioned that ukip don't like non white christian people no matter how english they are. Especially if they are atheist. Nor will I be able to say that ukip are racist. At all. They never do anything racist or support any racist groups. Its all a big misunderstanding apparently.[/p][/quote]I hope you find yourself on the receiving end of deformation law suit (deformation act 2013) wholly inappropriate unsubstantiated unjustified slanderous comments at best.[/p][/quote]Congratulations, that's the funniest thing I've read for months if not years.[/p][/quote]I was wrong, this is even better http://tinyurl.com/p mz78zw breamoreboy
  • Score: -3

7:56am Fri 23 May 14

railwaychickenboy6 says...

Why is it we only sea these people running for election when an erection comes up, then disappear as quickly as they come
Why is it we only sea these people running for election when an erection comes up, then disappear as quickly as they come railwaychickenboy6
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Fri 23 May 14

JamesYoung says...

riverbend wrote:
With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward.
If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election.
Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required.
To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it
Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for.
[quote][p][bold]riverbend[/bold] wrote: With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward. If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election. Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required. To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it[/p][/quote]Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for. JamesYoung
  • Score: 0

6:04pm Fri 23 May 14

ronfogg says...

JamesYoung wrote:
riverbend wrote:
With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward.
If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election.
Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required.
To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it
Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for.
Yes. Sadly people seem to either vote for the main parties or not vote at all; a situation which perpetuates the current political stagnation. What we need is for more people to vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party (or UKIP or Greens or Communist or whatever you want to call it)
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]riverbend[/bold] wrote: With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward. If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election. Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required. To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it[/p][/quote]Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for.[/p][/quote]Yes. Sadly people seem to either vote for the main parties or not vote at all; a situation which perpetuates the current political stagnation. What we need is for more people to vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party (or UKIP or Greens or Communist or whatever you want to call it) ronfogg
  • Score: 0

8:00pm Fri 23 May 14

JamesYoung says...

ronfogg wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
riverbend wrote:
With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward.
If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election.
Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required.
To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it
Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for.
Yes. Sadly people seem to either vote for the main parties or not vote at all; a situation which perpetuates the current political stagnation. What we need is for more people to vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party (or UKIP or Greens or Communist or whatever you want to call it)
Or Labour, who caused a house price bubble despite promising not to, or Tories, who printed money and inflated an asset bubble despite promising not to.
Personally, once UKIP have got rid of the nut jobs and focussed on domestic policies, i think they will be a credible alternative (if you ignore the fact that they've got a very rich buy to let landlord as a housing spokesman and thus won't do much about house prices).
Ditto the greens. A few climate zealots in the wings, but ultimately some creative thinking.
Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Therefore, if there are any loonies, it must surely be those who vote for the three main parties.
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]riverbend[/bold] wrote: With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward. If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election. Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required. To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it[/p][/quote]Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for.[/p][/quote]Yes. Sadly people seem to either vote for the main parties or not vote at all; a situation which perpetuates the current political stagnation. What we need is for more people to vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party (or UKIP or Greens or Communist or whatever you want to call it)[/p][/quote]Or Labour, who caused a house price bubble despite promising not to, or Tories, who printed money and inflated an asset bubble despite promising not to. Personally, once UKIP have got rid of the nut jobs and focussed on domestic policies, i think they will be a credible alternative (if you ignore the fact that they've got a very rich buy to let landlord as a housing spokesman and thus won't do much about house prices). Ditto the greens. A few climate zealots in the wings, but ultimately some creative thinking. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Therefore, if there are any loonies, it must surely be those who vote for the three main parties. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

10:09am Sat 24 May 14

riverbend says...

JamesYoung wrote:
riverbend wrote: With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward. If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election. Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required. To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it
Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for.
You make some very valid points there. I think the truth lies in both of our opinions.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]riverbend[/bold] wrote: With regard to the local elections, no one is stopping any of you who are whinging that all of the candidatesidates are useless from putting your name forward. If you think you can do a better job crack on and stand for election. Anything above local level you can forget about as none of you have the political savvy or the diplomatic skills required. To succeed in politics you need the moral high ground, or at least the persuasive skills to make a great enough proportion of the electorate believe you have it[/p][/quote]Sadly, riverbend, the reason that nobody can succeed above local level is nothing to do with political savvy. It's become people naturally vote for parties that are likely to end up with some influence and the present political system does not allow individuals to have influence. So if you want to succeed, you have to join a party and be selected by that party (a tough proposition). To do this, of course, you probably have to compromise your principles and even if you manage to stick to them then, you certainly won't be able to when you get to parliament and get told by party whips what you and cannot vote for.[/p][/quote]You make some very valid points there. I think the truth lies in both of our opinions. riverbend
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Sat 24 May 14

breamoreboy says...

JamesYoung "Therefore, if there are any loonies, it must surely be those who vote for the three main parties.". Simply a case of better the devil you know, or old habits die hard, or people just don't like change, or what?
JamesYoung "Therefore, if there are any loonies, it must surely be those who vote for the three main parties.". Simply a case of better the devil you know, or old habits die hard, or people just don't like change, or what? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

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