Council chiefs under fire over lack of action on Weymouth's harbour gateway

BIG PLANS: Sean Griffiths, Jason West and Pete Halsall

BIG PLANS: Sean Griffiths, Jason West and Pete Halsall

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COUNCIL chiefs have been criticised for lack of action on Weymouth’s harbour gateway by a group who say their redevelopment plans could ensure Condor Ferries remain sailing from the town.

Key industry figures, including developer Pete Halsall, secured a meeting with Weymouth and Portland Borough Council last year to discuss proposals to redevelop the Pavilion peninsula including building a new ferry terminal to retain Condor.

Mr Halsall, who has a track record in building sustainable developments all over the world, says he can raise between £150million and £200million to transform the area.

The group have heard nothing from the council since.

Now as the threat looms of Condor pulling out due to new berth requirements, the council has been accused of missing an opportunity.

Mr Halsall says it will require ‘bold and imaginative thinking’ to move forward.

Weymouth resident Jason West, who set up the meeting last year between the council and his friends Mr Halsall and architect Sean Griffiths, said it was a ‘disgrace’ there seemed to be no vision to improve the town.

Council officials met with Transport Secretary Stephen Hammond earlier this week to secure £10million to upgrade a harbour berth suitable for a larger ship Condor Ferries wants to use for its Channel Islands route. They were told government money will not be forthcoming.

Mr West said: “It’s bizarre the council sent a delegation to try to get £10million when last year they were informed by someone with a highly reputable track record that he could raise many millions to transform the place.

“I can’t work out why a seemingly cash strapped council would receive a proposal from a known player with bona fide green yet commercially viable credentials and do nothing to expedite further exploration of massive sustainable investment into Weymouth town centre.”

At a meeting last autumn, council officials said they were waiting for a masterplan to be drawn up and there has been no discussion since.

Mr West said: “There doesn’t seem to be any vision, no plan, no desire to improve the town. It’s a disgrace.

“People purporting to lead the borough are neglecting opportunities to engage with someone proposing something that will bring massive investment into the borough. It’s a missed opportunity.”

The Pavilion peninsula was previously earmarked for a £150m redevelopment by Howard Holdings but the firm failed to move on its plans in 2009.

Redevelopment of the site remains a long-term aim of the council.

Mr Halsall’s interest in the site was sparked by Mr West who led a campaign for the town to take a fresh look at the peninsula.

Mr Halsall said: “It is entirely possible to create a funding model that links the new ferry terminal to regeneration and development of the peninsula and to move forward with a progressive and viable approach based on a local vision and partnership approach.

“The regeneration process going forward will require bold, imaginative and integrated thinking on the part of councils to unleash local entrepreneurial spirit, talent and resources to create deliverable plans.”

COUNCIL WANTS DEVELOPMENT ON SITE

WEYMOUTH and Portland Borough Council wants to see development on the peninsula.

It has said it is happy to meet with potential partners on the basis that a proper process is followed – including taking account of a town centre masterplan to be drawn up as part of the local plan. But this has been delayed as the council has been asked to do more work on the local plan.

The council’s director of environment David Evans, pictured, said: “The pavilion peninsula is a key part of the emerging town centre masterplan. Unfortunately, and for reasons beyond our control, the masterplan has been delayed because of the need to undertake additional work on the joint local plan.

“The first stage of public consultation on the town centre master plan is scheduled to take place later this summer.

“In the meantime we are seeking external sources of grant funding for a new ferry berth.”

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7:13am Fri 23 May 14

weymouth donkey says...

The pleasure pier is crumbling beneath our feet , if you view it from a boat you will see what I mean , the wooden poles are rotting away and the concrete is crumbling that supports the entire structure , I would not be at all surprised if the pier was shut down soon as being unsafe , what will the council do then ?
The pleasure pier is crumbling beneath our feet , if you view it from a boat you will see what I mean , the wooden poles are rotting away and the concrete is crumbling that supports the entire structure , I would not be at all surprised if the pier was shut down soon as being unsafe , what will the council do then ? weymouth donkey
  • Score: 15

7:50am Fri 23 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

Still obssessed with Condor ferries, i see; why not take the opportunity to redevelop the place (which I thoroughly agree with) as something that's not dependent on one company that can dictate whatever it likes, rather than desperately doing everything to persuade them to continue to grace us with their presence?
Still obssessed with Condor ferries, i see; why not take the opportunity to redevelop the place (which I thoroughly agree with) as something that's not dependent on one company that can dictate whatever it likes, rather than desperately doing everything to persuade them to continue to grace us with their presence? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 22

8:16am Fri 23 May 14

PortlandYoof says...

“I can’t work out why a seemingly cash strapped council would receive a proposal from a known player with bona fide green yet commercially viable credentials and do nothing to expedite further exploration of massive sustainable investment into Weymouth town centre.”

That's simple - Our council simply doesn't give two shiny s***s about renovating the town. They seem absolutely hellbent on driving this poor little down into the depths of hell, and any attempt to divert from this master plan is met with hostility and ignorance... This town has absolutely nothing left going for it if the condor leaves permanently.

Next up... Debenhams don't renew their lease. THAT will be the nail in the coffin!
“I can’t work out why a seemingly cash strapped council would receive a proposal from a known player with bona fide green yet commercially viable credentials and do nothing to expedite further exploration of massive sustainable investment into Weymouth town centre.” That's simple - Our council simply doesn't give two shiny s***s about renovating the town. They seem absolutely hellbent on driving this poor little down into the depths of hell, and any attempt to divert from this master plan is met with hostility and ignorance... This town has absolutely nothing left going for it if the condor leaves permanently. Next up... Debenhams don't renew their lease. THAT will be the nail in the coffin! PortlandYoof
  • Score: 4

8:30am Fri 23 May 14

PHonnor says...

It does make you wonder why W&PBC have not given this serious consideration, given that, according to the plans its a sypathetic development which is just what the penninsula needs? Not for the first time the council have blundered their way into missing an oppotunity for regeneration and development in the town to the detriment to those that live there. What are the council waiting for in thier master plan anyway, kickbacks?
It does make you wonder why W&PBC have not given this serious consideration, given that, according to the plans its a sypathetic development which is just what the penninsula needs? Not for the first time the council have blundered their way into missing an oppotunity for regeneration and development in the town to the detriment to those that live there. What are the council waiting for in thier master plan anyway, kickbacks? PHonnor
  • Score: 9

9:04am Fri 23 May 14

JoeyJo says...

These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.
These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that. JoeyJo
  • Score: 2

9:10am Fri 23 May 14

monkeydog says...

JoeyJo wrote:
These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.
There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about.

weyforward.net
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.[/p][/quote]There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about. weyforward.net monkeydog
  • Score: -1

9:25am Fri 23 May 14

Woodgate says...

WPBC does not have councillors or officers of sufficient calibre or real world commercial experience to do much more than squabble over beach huts and who gets an ice cream van pitch - let alone push forward strategic redevelopment and economic regeneration visions. It remains fixated with guest houses, Condor, propping up the Pavilion and parking charges whilst the 'decision makers' jockey for echo space and officers paddle down stream to retirement. You cant blame a private group for trying to seize an initiative in the face of such inertia but the council should be master planning and then going to the market to look for delivery partners.
WPBC does not have councillors or officers of sufficient calibre or real world commercial experience to do much more than squabble over beach huts and who gets an ice cream van pitch - let alone push forward strategic redevelopment and economic regeneration visions. It remains fixated with guest houses, Condor, propping up the Pavilion and parking charges whilst the 'decision makers' jockey for echo space and officers paddle down stream to retirement. You cant blame a private group for trying to seize an initiative in the face of such inertia but the council should be master planning and then going to the market to look for delivery partners. Woodgate
  • Score: 22

9:27am Fri 23 May 14

JoeyJo says...

Thanks monkeydog. That is the reaction I was hoping for. I am trying to take an interest but know nothing about it because I have so far found no information. I will look at the website.
Thanks monkeydog. That is the reaction I was hoping for. I am trying to take an interest but know nothing about it because I have so far found no information. I will look at the website. JoeyJo
  • Score: 5

9:50am Fri 23 May 14

JoeyJo says...

I have now looked at the weyforward website. But why didn't I, and therefore thousands more Weymouth residents, know about it? I read the Echo online and View from Weymouth. I read notices in the town. I believe that I am fairly aware of what is going on and am very interested in my town and care about it. Google+ doesn't reach everyone and is not a good forum to rely on solely. The website may have been mentioned when last year's meeting took place but now it needs more exposure and not just to young people which is where the focus appears to be at the moment. Yes, involve the young and students, but everyone should have a chance to be involved or at least know what is happening. And is anything happening now? As I asked in my previous post - is a planning application being prepared?
I have now looked at the weyforward website. But why didn't I, and therefore thousands more Weymouth residents, know about it? I read the Echo online and View from Weymouth. I read notices in the town. I believe that I am fairly aware of what is going on and am very interested in my town and care about it. Google+ doesn't reach everyone and is not a good forum to rely on solely. The website may have been mentioned when last year's meeting took place but now it needs more exposure and not just to young people which is where the focus appears to be at the moment. Yes, involve the young and students, but everyone should have a chance to be involved or at least know what is happening. And is anything happening now? As I asked in my previous post - is a planning application being prepared? JoeyJo
  • Score: 8

10:02am Fri 23 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

monkeydog wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.
There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about.

weyforward.net
Are you something to do with weyforward.net? If so, you've certainly got the PR skills to persuade people to take an interest in your plans.
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.[/p][/quote]There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about. weyforward.net[/p][/quote]Are you something to do with weyforward.net? If so, you've certainly got the PR skills to persuade people to take an interest in your plans. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 3

10:44am Fri 23 May 14

JoeyJo says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.
There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about.

weyforward.net
Are you something to do with weyforward.net? If so, you've certainly got the PR skills to persuade people to take an interest in your plans.
PR skills - that's the phrase I was looking for. Thank you albergbahn. Meanwhile I await monkeydog's reply to my second post with anticipation.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.[/p][/quote]There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about. weyforward.net[/p][/quote]Are you something to do with weyforward.net? If so, you've certainly got the PR skills to persuade people to take an interest in your plans.[/p][/quote]PR skills - that's the phrase I was looking for. Thank you albergbahn. Meanwhile I await monkeydog's reply to my second post with anticipation. JoeyJo
  • Score: 3

11:37am Fri 23 May 14

monkeydog says...

JoeyJo wrote:
I have now looked at the weyforward website. But why didn't I, and therefore thousands more Weymouth residents, know about it? I read the Echo online and View from Weymouth. I read notices in the town. I believe that I am fairly aware of what is going on and am very interested in my town and care about it. Google+ doesn't reach everyone and is not a good forum to rely on solely. The website may have been mentioned when last year's meeting took place but now it needs more exposure and not just to young people which is where the focus appears to be at the moment. Yes, involve the young and students, but everyone should have a chance to be involved or at least know what is happening. And is anything happening now? As I asked in my previous post - is a planning application being prepared?
There's been plenty in the Echo in the last year. There were notices all over the Esplanade as well. There's only so much the organisers can do without council support. The website invites you to take part and that includes asking questions. I'm pleased that you are interested as it makes a change from the usual disinterest and carping. You can start by asking about any applications that have been made.
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: I have now looked at the weyforward website. But why didn't I, and therefore thousands more Weymouth residents, know about it? I read the Echo online and View from Weymouth. I read notices in the town. I believe that I am fairly aware of what is going on and am very interested in my town and care about it. Google+ doesn't reach everyone and is not a good forum to rely on solely. The website may have been mentioned when last year's meeting took place but now it needs more exposure and not just to young people which is where the focus appears to be at the moment. Yes, involve the young and students, but everyone should have a chance to be involved or at least know what is happening. And is anything happening now? As I asked in my previous post - is a planning application being prepared?[/p][/quote]There's been plenty in the Echo in the last year. There were notices all over the Esplanade as well. There's only so much the organisers can do without council support. The website invites you to take part and that includes asking questions. I'm pleased that you are interested as it makes a change from the usual disinterest and carping. You can start by asking about any applications that have been made. monkeydog
  • Score: 2

11:41am Fri 23 May 14

monkeydog says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
JoeyJo wrote:
These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.
There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about.

weyforward.net
Are you something to do with weyforward.net? If so, you've certainly got the PR skills to persuade people to take an interest in your plans.
I've nothing to do with it. I promise to work on my RP skills.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: These people are accusing the council of lack of action, which may be true, but what are they themselves doing? What was this proposal? It seems a bit vague - any planning application to be seen? A business plan? Or is it just talk? We can all do that.[/p][/quote]There's a lot going on.Take an interest instead of criticising something you know nothing about. weyforward.net[/p][/quote]Are you something to do with weyforward.net? If so, you've certainly got the PR skills to persuade people to take an interest in your plans.[/p][/quote]I've nothing to do with it. I promise to work on my RP skills. monkeydog
  • Score: -1

12:02pm Fri 23 May 14

JoeyJo says...

Or even your PR skills but thanks for the update. No planning application has been submitted as yet. I look at those regularly.
Or even your PR skills but thanks for the update. No planning application has been submitted as yet. I look at those regularly. JoeyJo
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Fri 23 May 14

PHonnor says...

Well maybe now there is a Labour majority on the council they will take a fresh look at this and use their numbers to get it through
Well maybe now there is a Labour majority on the council they will take a fresh look at this and use their numbers to get it through PHonnor
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Fri 23 May 14

codlips says...

Woodgate wrote:
WPBC does not have councillors or officers of sufficient calibre or real world commercial experience to do much more than squabble over beach huts and who gets an ice cream van pitch - let alone push forward strategic redevelopment and economic regeneration visions. It remains fixated with guest houses, Condor, propping up the Pavilion and parking charges whilst the 'decision makers' jockey for echo space and officers paddle down stream to retirement. You cant blame a private group for trying to seize an initiative in the face of such inertia but the council should be master planning and then going to the market to look for delivery partners.
To your first sentence - Hopefully they do now!
[quote][p][bold]Woodgate[/bold] wrote: WPBC does not have councillors or officers of sufficient calibre or real world commercial experience to do much more than squabble over beach huts and who gets an ice cream van pitch - let alone push forward strategic redevelopment and economic regeneration visions. It remains fixated with guest houses, Condor, propping up the Pavilion and parking charges whilst the 'decision makers' jockey for echo space and officers paddle down stream to retirement. You cant blame a private group for trying to seize an initiative in the face of such inertia but the council should be master planning and then going to the market to look for delivery partners.[/p][/quote]To your first sentence - Hopefully they do now! codlips
  • Score: 0

2:24pm Fri 23 May 14

rjimmer says...

PHonnor wrote:
It does make you wonder why W&PBC have not given this serious consideration, given that, according to the plans its a sypathetic development which is just what the penninsula needs? Not for the first time the council have blundered their way into missing an oppotunity for regeneration and development in the town to the detriment to those that live there. What are the council waiting for in thier master plan anyway, kickbacks?
Brown envelopes.
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: It does make you wonder why W&PBC have not given this serious consideration, given that, according to the plans its a sypathetic development which is just what the penninsula needs? Not for the first time the council have blundered their way into missing an oppotunity for regeneration and development in the town to the detriment to those that live there. What are the council waiting for in thier master plan anyway, kickbacks?[/p][/quote]Brown envelopes. rjimmer
  • Score: -2

2:26pm Fri 23 May 14

rjimmer says...

PHonnor wrote:
It does make you wonder why W&PBC have not given this serious consideration, given that, according to the plans its a sypathetic development which is just what the penninsula needs? Not for the first time the council have blundered their way into missing an oppotunity for regeneration and development in the town to the detriment to those that live there. What are the council waiting for in thier master plan anyway, kickbacks?
Brown envelopes.
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: It does make you wonder why W&PBC have not given this serious consideration, given that, according to the plans its a sypathetic development which is just what the penninsula needs? Not for the first time the council have blundered their way into missing an oppotunity for regeneration and development in the town to the detriment to those that live there. What are the council waiting for in thier master plan anyway, kickbacks?[/p][/quote]Brown envelopes. rjimmer
  • Score: -3

3:03pm Fri 23 May 14

Simon Nicholas says...

To be fair to the coincil, they approved the previous Howard Holdings scheme, which would have delivered a complete redevlopment of the area, along with a refurbished Pavilion, a new TIC, heritage centre and ferry terminal - however certain "locals" successfully protested against it and delayed it for so long that the developer, having already spent a great deal of money on the project, went into receivership........
..........

Simon N.
To be fair to the coincil, they approved the previous Howard Holdings scheme, which would have delivered a complete redevlopment of the area, along with a refurbished Pavilion, a new TIC, heritage centre and ferry terminal - however certain "locals" successfully protested against it and delayed it for so long that the developer, having already spent a great deal of money on the project, went into receivership........ .......... Simon N. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Fri 23 May 14

PHonnor says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
To be fair to the coincil, they approved the previous Howard Holdings scheme, which would have delivered a complete redevlopment of the area, along with a refurbished Pavilion, a new TIC, heritage centre and ferry terminal - however certain "locals" successfully protested against it and delayed it for so long that the developer, having already spent a great deal of money on the project, went into receivership........ .......... Simon N.
Well if spending a few quid before building had even begun caused them to go into recievership its probably a good thing they never started.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the coincil, they approved the previous Howard Holdings scheme, which would have delivered a complete redevlopment of the area, along with a refurbished Pavilion, a new TIC, heritage centre and ferry terminal - however certain "locals" successfully protested against it and delayed it for so long that the developer, having already spent a great deal of money on the project, went into receivership........ .......... Simon N.[/p][/quote]Well if spending a few quid before building had even begun caused them to go into recievership its probably a good thing they never started. PHonnor
  • Score: 4

3:57pm Fri 23 May 14

PHonnor says...

And whilst we are talking about development, who is allowing the old church on St Edmund street to sit and rot? how long has it been left like this and what pressure can be bought against the developers to do something with it? If they cannot afford to develop it should they not demolish it?
And whilst we are talking about development, who is allowing the old church on St Edmund street to sit and rot? how long has it been left like this and what pressure can be bought against the developers to do something with it? If they cannot afford to develop it should they not demolish it? PHonnor
  • Score: 4

8:01pm Fri 23 May 14

Woodgate says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
To be fair to the coincil, they approved the previous Howard Holdings scheme, which would have delivered a complete redevlopment of the area, along with a refurbished Pavilion, a new TIC, heritage centre and ferry terminal - however certain "locals" successfully protested against it and delayed it for so long that the developer, having already spent a great deal of money on the project, went into receivership........

..........

Simon N.
I think you'll find WPBC officers and Councillors with no commercial acumen were quick to hand control to an Irish development company that was over borrowed, reliant on cramming flats on the site and a presale to a hotel operator - all whilst the market was already turning. Doubt whether any plan B existed and when Howard Holdings inevitably went bust WPBC were back to square 1. Locals protesting isn't the issue - lack of strategic planning and expertise is.
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: To be fair to the coincil, they approved the previous Howard Holdings scheme, which would have delivered a complete redevlopment of the area, along with a refurbished Pavilion, a new TIC, heritage centre and ferry terminal - however certain "locals" successfully protested against it and delayed it for so long that the developer, having already spent a great deal of money on the project, went into receivership........ .......... Simon N.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find WPBC officers and Councillors with no commercial acumen were quick to hand control to an Irish development company that was over borrowed, reliant on cramming flats on the site and a presale to a hotel operator - all whilst the market was already turning. Doubt whether any plan B existed and when Howard Holdings inevitably went bust WPBC were back to square 1. Locals protesting isn't the issue - lack of strategic planning and expertise is. Woodgate
  • Score: 1

8:42pm Fri 23 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

I'm reminded of the people who promised to redevelop Brewers Quay into a luxury four star hotel in time for the Olympics ...
I'm reminded of the people who promised to redevelop Brewers Quay into a luxury four star hotel in time for the Olympics ... arlbergbahn
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Fri 23 May 14

Thought Provoker says...

I am always disappointed by comments but sometimes feel positive by comments made by people who have a greater understanding of the difficulties of running a local council.
We should not be held to ransom by any company, full stop. Weymouth has so many unique attributes and.lets focus on the positives.
Whether you like the Councillors or not you have a voice and a chance to stand for election. The officers of the council no longer work 37 hours a week, they work as the job demands as it is about time that credit was given!
I am always disappointed by comments but sometimes feel positive by comments made by people who have a greater understanding of the difficulties of running a local council. We should not be held to ransom by any company, full stop. Weymouth has so many unique attributes and.lets focus on the positives. Whether you like the Councillors or not you have a voice and a chance to stand for election. The officers of the council no longer work 37 hours a week, they work as the job demands as it is about time that credit was given! Thought Provoker
  • Score: 4

9:15pm Fri 23 May 14

whatever66 says...

of course the government are not going to hand over 10 million pounds to help us out we are not Europeans ????? after all we only pay our taxes to help foreign aid .... repairing our town is low on the list of agendas ie the government wages etc have to be the main priority before actually helping our town keep the condor their not bothered about the economy or the local jobs that will be lost.
of course the government are not going to hand over 10 million pounds to help us out we are not Europeans ????? after all we only pay our taxes to help foreign aid .... repairing our town is low on the list of agendas ie the government wages etc have to be the main priority before actually helping our town keep the condor their not bothered about the economy or the local jobs that will be lost. whatever66
  • Score: -1

6:52am Sat 24 May 14

FightForTheRight says...

Woodgate wrote:
WPBC does not have councillors or officers of sufficient calibre or real world commercial experience to do much more than squabble over beach huts and who gets an ice cream van pitch - let alone push forward strategic redevelopment and economic regeneration visions. It remains fixated with guest houses, Condor, propping up the Pavilion and parking charges whilst the 'decision makers' jockey for echo space and officers paddle down stream to retirement. You cant blame a private group for trying to seize an initiative in the face of such inertia but the council should be master planning and then going to the market to look for delivery partners.
The only fixation the WPBC have with the guest houses, and its only their leasehold guest house's they are interested in, is just how much they can bleed them dry, as an ex - Lease Hold Guest House owner i think i can safely say that is all they do, nothing else what so ever, no assistance, no help, very little maintenance and when they do carry out the maintenance - they want paying for it !!
[quote][p][bold]Woodgate[/bold] wrote: WPBC does not have councillors or officers of sufficient calibre or real world commercial experience to do much more than squabble over beach huts and who gets an ice cream van pitch - let alone push forward strategic redevelopment and economic regeneration visions. It remains fixated with guest houses, Condor, propping up the Pavilion and parking charges whilst the 'decision makers' jockey for echo space and officers paddle down stream to retirement. You cant blame a private group for trying to seize an initiative in the face of such inertia but the council should be master planning and then going to the market to look for delivery partners.[/p][/quote]The only fixation the WPBC have with the guest houses, and its only their leasehold guest house's they are interested in, is just how much they can bleed them dry, as an ex - Lease Hold Guest House owner i think i can safely say that is all they do, nothing else what so ever, no assistance, no help, very little maintenance and when they do carry out the maintenance - they want paying for it !! FightForTheRight
  • Score: 0

9:00am Sat 24 May 14

Westlain says...

A project this size would probably have to go through the OJEU public contracts procurement process. Google it.
A project this size would probably have to go through the OJEU public contracts procurement process. Google it. Westlain
  • Score: 0

9:50am Sat 24 May 14

WeyPeninsula says...

It is really good to read some serious and informed discussion about our ideas on this thread. We have received a lot of supportive feedback from both local politicians and members of the public. Thank you.

To answer some of the questions above. Firstly, our proposal cannot provide plans or a planning application from start because involves using a planning process called a charette. This is when all interested/affected parties, especially the community, engage in a series of intense and professionally moderated meetings to decide what should be built to best serve the needs of everyone. Only then can plans and an application be drawn up and financed. You can download Pete Halsall's proposal to the council here: https://sites.google
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Secondly, our #Weyforward engagement ideas on website are meant to encourage people all ages to involved, not just the young. We started working with young people because we have connections with them, they are widely known to be disaffected and finding things tough and are digitally connected. We want to create a network than spans the digital and physical so that through our young people becoming more active we can reach and hopefully enthuse their extended families. We are using Google+ because it is a useful free tool to organise and share information. We also have Twitter and Facebook profiles, have young people building a WordPress digital portfolio website to display their work to potential employers and a documentary has been shot by a young local film maker and being edited before going on YouTube. We really do want to make a difference and hope that people will support us.
It is really good to read some serious and informed discussion about our ideas on this thread. We have received a lot of supportive feedback from both local politicians and members of the public. Thank you. To answer some of the questions above. Firstly, our proposal cannot provide plans or a planning application from start because involves using a planning process called a charette. This is when all interested/affected parties, especially the community, engage in a series of intense and professionally moderated meetings to decide what should be built to best serve the needs of everyone. Only then can plans and an application be drawn up and financed. You can download Pete Halsall's proposal to the council here: https://sites.google .com/a/englishoutthe re.com/weymouthpenin sula/home/weymouth-p eninsula-outline-app roach-the-plan Secondly, our #Weyforward engagement ideas on website are meant to encourage people all ages to involved, not just the young. We started working with young people because we have connections with them, they are widely known to be disaffected and finding things tough and are digitally connected. We want to create a network than spans the digital and physical so that through our young people becoming more active we can reach and hopefully enthuse their extended families. We are using Google+ because it is a useful free tool to organise and share information. We also have Twitter and Facebook profiles, have young people building a WordPress digital portfolio website to display their work to potential employers and a documentary has been shot by a young local film maker and being edited before going on YouTube. We really do want to make a difference and hope that people will support us. WeyPeninsula
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11:41am Sat 24 May 14

WeyPeninsula says...

Westlain wrote:
A project this size would probably have to go through the OJEU public contracts procurement process. Google it.
This is addressed in Pete Halsall's proposal that can be downloaded here: https://sites.google
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I think the gist is that by using numerous and local developers, builders, tradesmen and professionals the OJEU requirements are built in to the process. But do please download and read the proposal.
[quote][p][bold]Westlain[/bold] wrote: A project this size would probably have to go through the OJEU public contracts procurement process. Google it.[/p][/quote]This is addressed in Pete Halsall's proposal that can be downloaded here: https://sites.google .com/a/englishoutthe re.com/weymouthpenin sula/home/weymouth-p eninsula-outline-app roach-the-plan I think the gist is that by using numerous and local developers, builders, tradesmen and professionals the OJEU requirements are built in to the process. But do please download and read the proposal. WeyPeninsula
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12:51pm Sat 24 May 14

JoeyJo says...

WeyPeninsula - Thanks for all this. Are you able to give any information yet as to where the funding may come from?
WeyPeninsula - Thanks for all this. Are you able to give any information yet as to where the funding may come from? JoeyJo
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4:52pm Sat 24 May 14

Rocket dog3 says...

Just get shot of the council there a Waste of space
Just get shot of the council there a Waste of space Rocket dog3
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6:42pm Sat 24 May 14

JoeyJo says...

Rocket dog3 wrote:
Just get shot of the council there a Waste of space
Did you stand for election then?
[quote][p][bold]Rocket dog3[/bold] wrote: Just get shot of the council there a Waste of space[/p][/quote]Did you stand for election then? JoeyJo
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11:42pm Sun 25 May 14

Goldman says...

We hosted the Olympic sailing events & show cased the place around the world yet the town just seems on a down hill slope. This council needs to wake up and stop fighting amongst themselves and do good for the town before the last breath is taken. Prove to the world the Olympic legecy is not a myth.
We hosted the Olympic sailing events & show cased the place around the world yet the town just seems on a down hill slope. This council needs to wake up and stop fighting amongst themselves and do good for the town before the last breath is taken. Prove to the world the Olympic legecy is not a myth. Goldman
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10:04am Mon 26 May 14

Caption Sensible says...

Goldman wrote:
We hosted the Olympic sailing events & show cased the place around the world yet the town just seems on a down hill slope. This council needs to wake up and stop fighting amongst themselves and do good for the town before the last breath is taken. Prove to the world the Olympic legecy is not a myth.
Although I agree with your sentiment it is the people of Weymouth who need to wake up, take responsibility, and do something. The Council have had their chance and they have blown it completely. And now they are running away to Dorchester.
[quote][p][bold]Goldman[/bold] wrote: We hosted the Olympic sailing events & show cased the place around the world yet the town just seems on a down hill slope. This council needs to wake up and stop fighting amongst themselves and do good for the town before the last breath is taken. Prove to the world the Olympic legecy is not a myth.[/p][/quote]Although I agree with your sentiment it is the people of Weymouth who need to wake up, take responsibility, and do something. The Council have had their chance and they have blown it completely. And now they are running away to Dorchester. Caption Sensible
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8:11pm Mon 26 May 14

portland rebel says...

no surprises, i would expect no more from our not fit for purpose council.
no surprises, i would expect no more from our not fit for purpose council. portland rebel
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9:20am Tue 27 May 14

WeyPeninsula says...

JoeyJo wrote:
WeyPeninsula - Thanks for all this. Are you able to give any information yet as to where the funding may come from?
Hi JoeyJo, I'll let Pete Halsall answer that. This is from an e-mail response to the Echo,

"I think that it is entirely possible to create a funding model that links the new ferry terminal to regeneration and development of the peninsula and to move forward with a progressive and viable approach based on a local vision and partnership approach for this site 

The regeneration process going forward will require bold, imaginative and integrated thinking on the part of councils to unleash local entrepreneurial spirit, talent and resources to create deliverable plans that maximise local economic, social and environmental benefit 

Funders are up for supporting councils with clear ideas, bond plans and community support where the council will participate with them in areas of off balance sheet risk mitigation."

Pete is connected to large social funds and large private investors, it would probably be a mixture. Social funds only invest in projects that have a considerable community focus. Conditions to raise the funding are much better now than they were 15 months ago when he first told me he was confident it could be done.
[quote][p][bold]JoeyJo[/bold] wrote: WeyPeninsula - Thanks for all this. Are you able to give any information yet as to where the funding may come from?[/p][/quote]Hi JoeyJo, I'll let Pete Halsall answer that. This is from an e-mail response to the Echo, "I think that it is entirely possible to create a funding model that links the new ferry terminal to regeneration and development of the peninsula and to move forward with a progressive and viable approach based on a local vision and partnership approach for this site  The regeneration process going forward will require bold, imaginative and integrated thinking on the part of councils to unleash local entrepreneurial spirit, talent and resources to create deliverable plans that maximise local economic, social and environmental benefit  Funders are up for supporting councils with clear ideas, bond plans and community support where the council will participate with them in areas of off balance sheet risk mitigation." Pete is connected to large social funds and large private investors, it would probably be a mixture. Social funds only invest in projects that have a considerable community focus. Conditions to raise the funding are much better now than they were 15 months ago when he first told me he was confident it could be done. WeyPeninsula
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