UPDATE: Travellers move onto Weymouth park and ride site

Dorset Echo: CAMP: Travellers at the park and ride site CAMP: Travellers at the park and ride site

A ROW has erupted over a lack of action by authorities to deal with travellers who are camping illegally at the Weymouth park and ride site.

Dorset County Council is allowing families to stay for a week in the car park at its Mount Pleasant park and ride hub.

A separate group who moved on to the Swannery car park on Tuesday night had gone by yesterday lunchtime. Before they left they were issued with fines by the borough council for not paying for parking and now there have been calls for DCC to deal with the other visitors in a similar way.

The arrival of more travellers in the borough comes as preparations are made for a summer-only transit camp at Piddlehinton.

Families with several caravans and other vehicles have set up camp in a corner of the park and ride car park.

The group told the Echo they had come from London. When asked how long they would be staying, one member of the group said: “How long is a piece of string?”

Landowner DCC, which has also been talking to the travellers in its gypsy liaison role, is not issuing the group with a notice to quit as officers are satisfied they will be moving on after a week.

A spokesman said: “It is a family who are known to us.

“They arrived on Sunday. We visited the site yesterday and they have told us they will be there for a week.

“We are carrying out a ‘needs audit’ but they have limited needs and will be moving off in a week.”

The park and ride site has been a regular stopping-off point for travellers in recent years and the overspill car park at the facility was originally put forward as a temporary transit site option.

County councillor for Westham David Harris said: “Councils should act as promptly and efficiently as they can when dealing with travellers although I’m not familiar with the legal powers the council has at the park and ride site.

“What is frustrating for people is that certain groups are able to do this while others wouldn’t get away with it without serious consequences. If I parked there for a week without getting a ticket I’d expect a heavy fine.”

He added: “The sooner we can get the transit site open the sooner we can resolve these problems.”

Borough councillor Bill White praised the borough council for issuing fixed penalty notices to travellers who stayed overnight at the Swannery car park and feels the same level of action should be directed at the other visitors.

He said: “I feel they should pay.

“It’s misuse of the park and ride facility and detrimental to the operation.”

New UKIP councillor Francis Drake said: “There should be a level playing field for all.

“If someone brought a towing caravan down here on holiday they would have to pay for a week’s stay so why should it be any different for travellers?”

 

Transit site planned

DORSET County Council’s planning committee granted permission last month for a temporary transit site at Piddlehinton for the next three summers. An opening date hasn’t been finalised.

The Piddlehinton site is the same place used as a temporary stopping area for travellers during the Olympics.

The site, which is next to a business park, will cater for up to 25 caravans between March and August until 2016 and will offer police somewhere to move on travellers who are camped illegally in the county.

DCC has been forced to look for a temporary solution as moves to find permanent traveller sites are unlikely to happen until 2017.

Concerns have been raised about the Piddlehinton site in the community.

The Gypsy Council is also unhappy, saying the planned security measures were unacceptable and likely to deter groups from using the site.

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10:06am Wed 4 Jun 14

K9 says...

Can the car park gates be closed, stopping them popping out in their cars, until they agree to leave? Would be worth the loss of parking revenue, which I imagine takes a big dent anyway.
Can the car park gates be closed, stopping them popping out in their cars, until they agree to leave? Would be worth the loss of parking revenue, which I imagine takes a big dent anyway. K9
  • Score: 44

10:17am Wed 4 Jun 14

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

'Dorset County Council will be talking to the group through its gypsy and traveller liaison service.'
any other trespassers would get a 'ticket' in a flash.
I still don't understand why it is one set of rules for them and a different set of rules for the rest of us - I thought that discrimination was illegal!
'Dorset County Council will be talking to the group through its gypsy and traveller liaison service.' any other trespassers would get a 'ticket' in a flash. I still don't understand why it is one set of rules for them and a different set of rules for the rest of us - I thought that discrimination was illegal! IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
  • Score: 113

11:20am Wed 4 Jun 14

TenBobDylanThomasHardy says...

Editor: Can we invite the Gyspy Liaison Officer to anwer IDONTKNOW's question please?
Editor: Can we invite the Gyspy Liaison Officer to anwer IDONTKNOW's question please? TenBobDylanThomasHardy
  • Score: 66

11:42am Wed 4 Jun 14

Wrinklyrod says...

What is wrong with the many caravan sites that already exist around Weymouth. Or won't their state benefits stretch to the fees once they have topped up on beer and fags?
What is wrong with the many caravan sites that already exist around Weymouth. Or won't their state benefits stretch to the fees once they have topped up on beer and fags? Wrinklyrod
  • Score: 35

12:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

MrTomSmith says...

K9 wrote:
Can the car park gates be closed, stopping them popping out in their cars, until they agree to leave? Would be worth the loss of parking revenue, which I imagine takes a big dent anyway.
Doesn't make a scrap of difference to the loss of parking revenue, the Car Park is 90% empty during the week about 50% empty at weekends
and about 10% empty on a busy sunny day. So plenty of room.

Forgive me, but how do you close a car park gates? That would really make a dent in the loss of revenue then wouldn't it?

How would the RSPB staff get in/out?

How would the Market get in/out ?

I don't think you have fully thought this though K9
[quote][p][bold]K9[/bold] wrote: Can the car park gates be closed, stopping them popping out in their cars, until they agree to leave? Would be worth the loss of parking revenue, which I imagine takes a big dent anyway.[/p][/quote]Doesn't make a scrap of difference to the loss of parking revenue, the Car Park is 90% empty during the week about 50% empty at weekends and about 10% empty on a busy sunny day. So plenty of room. Forgive me, but how do you close a car park gates? That would really make a dent in the loss of revenue then wouldn't it? How would the RSPB staff get in/out? How would the Market get in/out ? I don't think you have fully thought this though K9 MrTomSmith
  • Score: -41

12:46pm Wed 4 Jun 14

scubadude says...

I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere.
How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority?
I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere. How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority? scubadude
  • Score: 48

1:03pm Wed 4 Jun 14

southill massive says...

Why don't they put a lockable hight bar on the enterance so you can get a car in and our, but no a carivan, and on market days the market inspector can open it up for the market lorries to come in. Then lock it up when the last market trader leaves.
Why don't they put a lockable hight bar on the enterance so you can get a car in and our, but no a carivan, and on market days the market inspector can open it up for the market lorries to come in. Then lock it up when the last market trader leaves. southill massive
  • Score: 39

1:11pm Wed 4 Jun 14

shy talk says...

They have moved on. I would check Radipole tennis courts just in case.
They have moved on. I would check Radipole tennis courts just in case. shy talk
  • Score: 20

1:38pm Wed 4 Jun 14

shy talk says...

southill massive wrote:
Why don't they put a lockable hight bar on the enterance so you can get a car in and our, but no a carivan, and on market days the market inspector can open it up for the market lorries to come in. Then lock it up when the last market trader leaves.
So what about paying caravan, motorhome, minibus and coach owners?
[quote][p][bold]southill massive[/bold] wrote: Why don't they put a lockable hight bar on the enterance so you can get a car in and our, but no a carivan, and on market days the market inspector can open it up for the market lorries to come in. Then lock it up when the last market trader leaves.[/p][/quote]So what about paying caravan, motorhome, minibus and coach owners? shy talk
  • Score: 8

2:11pm Wed 4 Jun 14

riverbend says...

I think you'll find that they didn't just 'move on'.
I saw the old bill turn up mob handed and turf them out. They didn't take any nonsense.
Well done boys. Lets have some more of the same and show them that weymouth is no longer an easy touch.
The message will soon get around.
I think you'll find that they didn't just 'move on'. I saw the old bill turn up mob handed and turf them out. They didn't take any nonsense. Well done boys. Lets have some more of the same and show them that weymouth is no longer an easy touch. The message will soon get around. riverbend
  • Score: 57

2:33pm Wed 4 Jun 14

elloello1980 says...

Although I cannot stand the stereotype 'traveller', I have to respect their ability to stick one finger up to the system and get away with it.

I'm sure if it was difficult and consequential to pitch up, they wouldn't
Although I cannot stand the stereotype 'traveller', I have to respect their ability to stick one finger up to the system and get away with it. I'm sure if it was difficult and consequential to pitch up, they wouldn't elloello1980
  • Score: -5

5:17pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ViewPoyntz says...

scubadude wrote:
I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere.
How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority?
If you're resurfacing your drive, you're almost certainly a gypsy...
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere. How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority?[/p][/quote]If you're resurfacing your drive, you're almost certainly a gypsy... ViewPoyntz
  • Score: 18

8:38pm Wed 4 Jun 14

westbaywonder says...

Get the kettle on Maggie!
Get the kettle on Maggie! westbaywonder
  • Score: 4

9:29pm Wed 4 Jun 14

rjimmer says...

K9 wrote:
Can the car park gates be closed, stopping them popping out in their cars, until they agree to leave? Would be worth the loss of parking revenue, which I imagine takes a big dent anyway.
They are not going through the gate. They are driving along the wide footpath/cycle track that has no gate on it. How very thoughtful of the Council to provide it.
[quote][p][bold]K9[/bold] wrote: Can the car park gates be closed, stopping them popping out in their cars, until they agree to leave? Would be worth the loss of parking revenue, which I imagine takes a big dent anyway.[/p][/quote]They are not going through the gate. They are driving along the wide footpath/cycle track that has no gate on it. How very thoughtful of the Council to provide it. rjimmer
  • Score: 12

10:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

dogloverdorset says...

Wrinklyrod wrote:
What is wrong with the many caravan sites that already exist around Weymouth. Or won't their state benefits stretch to the fees once they have topped up on beer and fags?
The caravan parks will not let them on - some even ban the type of caravan they favour
Not sure why you suggest they are on benefit? supposition ?
[quote][p][bold]Wrinklyrod[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with the many caravan sites that already exist around Weymouth. Or won't their state benefits stretch to the fees once they have topped up on beer and fags?[/p][/quote]The caravan parks will not let them on - some even ban the type of caravan they favour Not sure why you suggest they are on benefit? supposition ? dogloverdorset
  • Score: -2

12:39am Thu 5 Jun 14

Bumpkin says...

Time to get Nigel on the case!
Time to get Nigel on the case! Bumpkin
  • Score: 3

7:41am Thu 5 Jun 14

arlbergbahn says...

dogloverdorset wrote:
Wrinklyrod wrote:
What is wrong with the many caravan sites that already exist around Weymouth. Or won't their state benefits stretch to the fees once they have topped up on beer and fags?
The caravan parks will not let them on - some even ban the type of caravan they favour
Not sure why you suggest they are on benefit? supposition ?
How the heck else do they afford those mobile glitz palaces? from offering to tarmac people's drives with some they've got left over from a job they were doing just round the corner?
[quote][p][bold]dogloverdorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wrinklyrod[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with the many caravan sites that already exist around Weymouth. Or won't their state benefits stretch to the fees once they have topped up on beer and fags?[/p][/quote]The caravan parks will not let them on - some even ban the type of caravan they favour Not sure why you suggest they are on benefit? supposition ?[/p][/quote]How the heck else do they afford those mobile glitz palaces? from offering to tarmac people's drives with some they've got left over from a job they were doing just round the corner? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 8

7:56am Thu 5 Jun 14

arlbergbahn says...

And what the hell is a ‘needs audit’? The council have asked them if there's anything at all they need, and the Council will provide it, free of charge, needless to say?
And what the hell is a ‘needs audit’? The council have asked them if there's anything at all they need, and the Council will provide it, free of charge, needless to say? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 20

7:57am Thu 5 Jun 14

shuttling says...

Were the fines played straight away? Because good luck chasing them for payment.
Were the fines played straight away? Because good luck chasing them for payment. shuttling
  • Score: 12

8:12am Thu 5 Jun 14

Simesen says...

Presumably It's a crime not to pay for, and put on display a parking payment receipt. If culprets do not pay up on demand, the Police should be called to give the vehicles a thorough check for legality and if found wanting should be seized pending resolution. This may put a short term burden on the local authority to house the displaced family, but I don't think they would do it again in this area!
Presumably It's a crime not to pay for, and put on display a parking payment receipt. If culprets do not pay up on demand, the Police should be called to give the vehicles a thorough check for legality and if found wanting should be seized pending resolution. This may put a short term burden on the local authority to house the displaced family, but I don't think they would do it again in this area! Simesen
  • Score: 15

8:28am Thu 5 Jun 14

Simesen says...

Proper 'Travellers' Sites should be provided without delay in the area, but not too near the sea and other attractive locations, or places where it might unduly disturb the local community. There should most certainly be a daily charge on each vehicle in fairness to the rest of us and for site maintenance.
Proper 'Travellers' Sites should be provided without delay in the area, but not too near the sea and other attractive locations, or places where it might unduly disturb the local community. There should most certainly be a daily charge on each vehicle in fairness to the rest of us and for site maintenance. Simesen
  • Score: 8

8:30am Thu 5 Jun 14

weymos says...

As Shuttling says, it seems a good idea slapping fines on the travellers at Swannery Car Park. Assuming they didn't pay there and then how do the Council expect to get there money. By virtue of the fact they are travellers, where will the "Final Demands" and "Bailiffs Notices'" be sent??
As Shuttling says, it seems a good idea slapping fines on the travellers at Swannery Car Park. Assuming they didn't pay there and then how do the Council expect to get there money. By virtue of the fact they are travellers, where will the "Final Demands" and "Bailiffs Notices'" be sent?? weymos
  • Score: 6

8:35am Thu 5 Jun 14

Dorset Boy says...

Simesen wrote:
Presumably It's a crime not to pay for, and put on display a parking payment receipt. If culprets do not pay up on demand, the Police should be called to give the vehicles a thorough check for legality and if found wanting should be seized pending resolution. This may put a short term burden on the local authority to house the displaced family, but I don't think they would do it again in this area!
Surely you mean 'pending crushing'
[quote][p][bold]Simesen[/bold] wrote: Presumably It's a crime not to pay for, and put on display a parking payment receipt. If culprets do not pay up on demand, the Police should be called to give the vehicles a thorough check for legality and if found wanting should be seized pending resolution. This may put a short term burden on the local authority to house the displaced family, but I don't think they would do it again in this area![/p][/quote]Surely you mean 'pending crushing' Dorset Boy
  • Score: 8

10:21am Thu 5 Jun 14

scubadude says...

ViewPoyntz wrote:
scubadude wrote:
I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere.
How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority?
If you're resurfacing your drive, you're almost certainly a gypsy...
No but I am getting them to do it, "got some left over Tarmac here mate..." :-)

FWIW I notice the council have trucks with tow hooks (just seen one deliver a mower to the school) why don't they just tow the illegally parked caravans out of the Park and Ride and leave them somewhere out of the way... like in Portland Harbour at low water...
[quote][p][bold]ViewPoyntz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere. How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority?[/p][/quote]If you're resurfacing your drive, you're almost certainly a gypsy...[/p][/quote]No but I am getting them to do it, "got some left over Tarmac here mate..." :-) FWIW I notice the council have trucks with tow hooks (just seen one deliver a mower to the school) why don't they just tow the illegally parked caravans out of the Park and Ride and leave them somewhere out of the way... like in Portland Harbour at low water... scubadude
  • Score: 15

12:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

elloello1980 says...

New UKIP councillor Francis Drake said: “There should be a level playing field for all.

“If someone brought a towing caravan down here on holiday they would have to pay for a week’s stay so why should it be any different for travellers?”


Francis Drake, you'll earn a great deal of local respect if you can turn your words into actions
New UKIP councillor Francis Drake said: “There should be a level playing field for all. “If someone brought a towing caravan down here on holiday they would have to pay for a week’s stay so why should it be any different for travellers?” Francis Drake, you'll earn a great deal of local respect if you can turn your words into actions elloello1980
  • Score: 18

1:44pm Thu 5 Jun 14

JamesYoung says...

elloello1980 wrote:
New UKIP councillor Francis Drake said: “There should be a level playing field for all.

“If someone brought a towing caravan down here on holiday they would have to pay for a week’s stay so why should it be any different for travellers?”


Francis Drake, you'll earn a great deal of local respect if you can turn your words into actions
Sadly, to do so would be illegal.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: New UKIP councillor Francis Drake said: “There should be a level playing field for all. “If someone brought a towing caravan down here on holiday they would have to pay for a week’s stay so why should it be any different for travellers?” Francis Drake, you'll earn a great deal of local respect if you can turn your words into actions[/p][/quote]Sadly, to do so would be illegal. JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

3:16pm Thu 5 Jun 14

cosmick says...

Just seen 97 year old D DAY army chap jump out of a plane, Now we can not get rid of this band of **ss takers from the car parks that we paid for.
W.P.B.C. FOR GODS SAKE WAKE UP AND GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER.
Just seen 97 year old D DAY army chap jump out of a plane, Now we can not get rid of this band of **ss takers from the car parks that we paid for. W.P.B.C. FOR GODS SAKE WAKE UP AND GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER. cosmick
  • Score: 14

6:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

mark@greenhill says...

Simesen wrote:
Proper 'Travellers' Sites should be provided without delay in the area, but not too near the sea and other attractive locations, or places where it might unduly disturb the local community. There should most certainly be a daily charge on each vehicle in fairness to the rest of us and for site maintenance.
Preferably in the middle of Dartmoor.

If we really must have one locally, might I suggest the council office car park?
[quote][p][bold]Simesen[/bold] wrote: Proper 'Travellers' Sites should be provided without delay in the area, but not too near the sea and other attractive locations, or places where it might unduly disturb the local community. There should most certainly be a daily charge on each vehicle in fairness to the rest of us and for site maintenance.[/p][/quote]Preferably in the middle of Dartmoor. If we really must have one locally, might I suggest the council office car park? mark@greenhill
  • Score: 5

10:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

fancyabrew says...

TenBobDylanThomasHar
dy
wrote:
Editor: Can we invite the Gyspy Liaison Officer to anwer IDONTKNOW's question please?
Gypsy and Traveller Liaison Officer, Paula Clover's contact details are freely available on the Dorsetforyou website.
[quote][p][bold]TenBobDylanThomasHar dy[/bold] wrote: Editor: Can we invite the Gyspy Liaison Officer to anwer IDONTKNOW's question please?[/p][/quote]Gypsy and Traveller Liaison Officer, Paula Clover's contact details are freely available on the Dorsetforyou website. fancyabrew
  • Score: 2

10:49pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Dorset Boy says...

scubadude wrote:
ViewPoyntz wrote:
scubadude wrote:
I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere.
How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority?
If you're resurfacing your drive, you're almost certainly a gypsy...
No but I am getting them to do it, "got some left over Tarmac here mate..." :-)

FWIW I notice the council have trucks with tow hooks (just seen one deliver a mower to the school) why don't they just tow the illegally parked caravans out of the Park and Ride and leave them somewhere out of the way... like in Portland Harbour at low water...
WOT, and pollute our English shoreline.
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ViewPoyntz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: I am sure they bought and continue to buy 30 tickets for all the space they are using throughout there stay, if they haven't then "surely" the council would clamp them, swiftly following by towing away and burning of they vehicles in a quiet lane somewhere. How do I prove to the council I am a gypsy? I need somewhere to park my cars and trailers for free for a week while I resurface my drive, the Swannery car park would be convenient... surely I will be allowed to get away with it just the same as any other ethic minority?[/p][/quote]If you're resurfacing your drive, you're almost certainly a gypsy...[/p][/quote]No but I am getting them to do it, "got some left over Tarmac here mate..." :-) FWIW I notice the council have trucks with tow hooks (just seen one deliver a mower to the school) why don't they just tow the illegally parked caravans out of the Park and Ride and leave them somewhere out of the way... like in Portland Harbour at low water...[/p][/quote]WOT, and pollute our English shoreline. Dorset Boy
  • Score: 0

10:55pm Thu 5 Jun 14

vegit8 says...

Did nobody else spot the comment from the Gypsy council who complained about the security arrangements at the proposed piddlehinton site.
Are they worried about the rate paying residents security or their own. I would have thought the former was a bigger concern.
Did nobody else spot the comment from the Gypsy council who complained about the security arrangements at the proposed piddlehinton site. Are they worried about the rate paying residents security or their own. I would have thought the former was a bigger concern. vegit8
  • Score: 3

11:24pm Thu 5 Jun 14

yar2007 says...

They should not be allowed to stay over full stop. Us hard working tax payers struggle to survive whiles these tax avoiding thieves rip off con men driving around in their brand new jeeps and vans are allowed to do so. There should not be one rule for us and one rule for them. The police should remove them by force at the first instance then only maybe they will get the message that they cannot do as they please. It's not racist or anything like that, it's pure **** take and that's what get my blood boiling. No respect for them.
They should not be allowed to stay over full stop. Us hard working tax payers struggle to survive whiles these tax avoiding thieves rip off con men driving around in their brand new jeeps and vans are allowed to do so. There should not be one rule for us and one rule for them. The police should remove them by force at the first instance then only maybe they will get the message that they cannot do as they please. It's not racist or anything like that, it's pure **** take and that's what get my blood boiling. No respect for them. yar2007
  • Score: 6

8:50pm Fri 6 Jun 14

blobby96 says...

i think they have earned a holiday just like the rest of us and if we can welcome all the foreign scroungers why not have some from england for a change
i think they have earned a holiday just like the rest of us and if we can welcome all the foreign scroungers why not have some from england for a change blobby96
  • Score: -1

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