ECHO INVESTIGATES: Poverty stricken Dorset uncovered

Dorset Echo: THANKS VERY MUCH: Celia Canter, Jane Nicklen, Rev Chris Briggs, Cllr Colin Huckle and representatives of the organisations who successfully applied for the grant with the cheque for £16,397.44 THANKS VERY MUCH: Celia Canter, Jane Nicklen, Rev Chris Briggs, Cllr Colin Huckle and representatives of the organisations who successfully applied for the grant with the cheque for £16,397.44

THIS week an article on Weymouth in the Observer newspaper sparked a debate on the state of the town and seaside towns in general.

While many inner-city communities have benefited from hundreds of millions of pounds of investment, many coastal towns have suffered from rising unemployment and a lack of investment.

Whilst we undoubtedly live in one of the most beautiful parts of the country and many industries are thriving and local schools achieving great things there is also a real problem in some areas.

Reporter Emma Walker looks at the issues facing our most deprived communities.

CHILD poverty, income deprivation and high unemployment are just some of the issues in Weymouth and Portland’s four most deprived wards.

Statistics revealed that the borough’s ‘priority’ areas- Little-moor, Melcombe Regis, Portland Underhill and Westham- fall within the top 20 per cent of the most deprived communities nationally.

The borough council recently granted more than £16,000 to community groups in the four wards as part of its Working with You project But as economic woes sweep the UK, community leaders are urging for more to be done.

Jane Nicklen, the council’s head of community planning and development, said: “The four areas continue to be the priority although it should be stressed that the problems do not necessarily apply to every part of them.”

Council officers collated data on each ward based on the 2010 Indices of Multiple Deprivation, 2011 Census, National Health Service datasets, Dorset Police figures, community feedback and the Dorset County Council Child Poverty Strategy.

They found that the borough’s most deprived areas had a ‘number of similar issues’.

Obese children, binge drinking adults and GCSE achievement were issues highlighted in Underhill on Portland.

The island area rates high on the indices of multiple deprivations, particularly in Fortunes-well North. The area lost 4,500 jobs when the naval base and air base closed in the 1990s and 2011 census data worryingly revealed that just 43.2 per cent of adults were in employment.

Increased levels of violent crime, theft from vehicles and drug offences were recorded by Dorset Police in Littlemoor between 2011 and 2013.

Areas of concern also included older people in deprivation.

Littlemoor community leader Jan Hinton said: “More will always need to be done but unfortunately there will never be enough people getting involved to do it.”

Westham East experiences the worst multiple deprivation in the ward, according to census data with health issue being obese and binge drinking adults and emergency hospital admissions for all causes.

While Dorset Police recorded increased levels of drug offences and theft in Melcombe Regis, there are also issues of income deprivation, child poverty and unemployment. Cllr Paul Kimber, who represents Underhill, said: “I'm encouraged when government bodies make grants available as this means they recognise there is an issue that needs to be addressed. My experience has found that local organisations, knowing the problems can make small grants go much further.”

Pleas for community workers

CALLS are being made for full-time community workers to be installed in each of the ‘priority’ wards.

Soulfood outreach worker Angie Barnes, who has been working to help the homeless in the area for many years, is calling for community workers with a remit of ‘debt, benefits and jobsearch’ experience.

She added: “Unfortunately housing associations tend to group the more troubled families together, which in a way I can understand, but it creates a ghetto which then needs lots of money throwing at it to put right.

“The younger population need help – but how to do it?”

She recommended the positive impact of Duke of Edinburgh schemes and urged for more schemes in schools. Margaret Barker, who spent 14 years working in Weymouth and now volunteers as part of Dorchester Poverty Action Group, said: “A really good community worker could be employed in each of the recognised most deprived areas.

“When there was a very good community worker in the Park District several new projects got off the ground and left a legacy of good healthy self-respect in that community.”

Grant to help families

STRUGGLING families in Underhill and Westham are set to benefit from a Working with You grant given to the Friendly Food Club.

Tony Gibbons says the club runs healthy eating and cookery workshops for underprivileged people.

The recent cash boost will now allow them to make a DVD and recipe cards to help Underhill and Westham families make meals for a week on a tight budget.

Mr Gibbons said: “This is a great opportunity to help local struggling families.”

The Friendly Food Club’s main partner is Synergy Housing.

 

BOROUGH councillor Gill Taylor says pockets of deprivation in other non-supported wards should not be ignored.

The Westham West ward representative said: “The figures ignore the fact that there are pockets of deprivation in most wards, while one is not being supported.

“Labelling these areas as ‘deprived’ can have a detrimental impact on those who live there.

“The statistics say that the percentage of adults employed in Westham West is at 61.5 per cent but my ward has a higher than average elderly population.

“Additionally, there are people who do not work and do not claim anything from the state.

“These groups of people are the people who are a pool of potential volunteers.”

She told the Echo that more support and guidance is needed for the voluntary sector.

She added: “There are often groups of people who would like to do something for the community but do not really get off the ground due to a lack of expertise.”

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7:42am Thu 26 Jun 14

MrTomSmith says...

THIS week an article on Weymouth in the Observer newspaper sparked a debate on the state of the town and seaside towns in general.

It was the Guardian for Gods Sake.
THIS week an article on Weymouth in the Observer newspaper sparked a debate on the state of the town and seaside towns in general. It was the Guardian for Gods Sake. MrTomSmith
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8:31am Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
THIS week an article on Weymouth in the Observer newspaper sparked a debate on the state of the town and seaside towns in general.

It was the Guardian for Gods Sake.
No, it was printed in the Observer. The electronic version appears on the Guardian website as the Observer doesn't have it's own site.
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: THIS week an article on Weymouth in the Observer newspaper sparked a debate on the state of the town and seaside towns in general. It was the Guardian for Gods Sake.[/p][/quote]No, it was printed in the Observer. The electronic version appears on the Guardian website as the Observer doesn't have it's own site. Rocksalt
  • Score: 36

10:02am Thu 26 Jun 14

WykeReg says...

I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already! WykeReg
  • Score: 27

11:24am Thu 26 Jun 14

elloello1980 says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
THIS week an article on Weymouth in the Observer newspaper sparked a debate on the state of the town and seaside towns in general.

It was the Guardian for Gods Sake.
once again you prove what a numpty you are.

After all your criticism about how and what the Echo report, I thought you might even be able to bring yourself to praise them for an investigative story?
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: THIS week an article on Weymouth in the Observer newspaper sparked a debate on the state of the town and seaside towns in general. It was the Guardian for Gods Sake.[/p][/quote]once again you prove what a numpty you are. After all your criticism about how and what the Echo report, I thought you might even be able to bring yourself to praise them for an investigative story? elloello1980
  • Score: 4

11:29am Thu 26 Jun 14

elloello1980 says...

WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
[quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people! elloello1980
  • Score: -5

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

WykeReg says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
I wish I'd had it easy in life, but as the son of a London bus driver I wasn't exactly born with a silver spoon in my mouth or likely to inherit Daddy's great estates. I did, however, spend 10 years at evening classes learning a great deal and getting some relevant qualifications. That was followed by a commitment to lifelong learning which I am still engaged in today. It worked well for me and can for anyone - no guarantees, of course, but it's racing certainty you'll be poorer without giving it a try.

Part of the problem is that too many people are unwilling to make that kind of effort and expect that well-paid jobs can be had with out it, and right on their doorsteps, too. That ain't the way the world works. You seek out the opportunities, they don't fall in your lap.

Those who suffer misfortune deserve the help they get. For the rest the message is: "You are responsible for you."
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]I wish I'd had it easy in life, but as the son of a London bus driver I wasn't exactly born with a silver spoon in my mouth or likely to inherit Daddy's great estates. I did, however, spend 10 years at evening classes learning a great deal and getting some relevant qualifications. That was followed by a commitment to lifelong learning which I am still engaged in today. It worked well for me and can for anyone - no guarantees, of course, but it's racing certainty you'll be poorer without giving it a try. Part of the problem is that too many people are unwilling to make that kind of effort and expect that well-paid jobs can be had with out it, and right on their doorsteps, too. That ain't the way the world works. You seek out the opportunities, they don't fall in your lap. Those who suffer misfortune deserve the help they get. For the rest the message is: "You are responsible for you." WykeReg
  • Score: 24

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job. Rocksalt
  • Score: 23

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job. Rocksalt
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job. Rocksalt
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job. Rocksalt
  • Score: -2

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job. Rocksalt
  • Score: -3

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job. Rocksalt
  • Score: -4

12:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job. Rocksalt
  • Score: -5

12:25pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Rocksalt says...

Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place.

From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages.

Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
Oops not sure what happened there. Perhaps someone at the Echo can delete the duplicates
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.[/p][/quote]Oops not sure what happened there. Perhaps someone at the Echo can delete the duplicates Rocksalt
  • Score: 6

12:34pm Thu 26 Jun 14

elloello1980 says...

Going through school in Weymouth, like all my friends, I had very low ambitions. I expected a life of working on a fishing boat, which I was happy with. It was out of pure luck that an opportunity came up that put me on a path for a very stable career.

These days my ambitions just keep growing and I see not limit to what I can achieve, both in my career and my life.

If the opportunities are there to all, I'm sure ambitions in schools would grow, attitudes would change and the amount relying on benefits would fall (as would binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc).

If a person fails after being given an opportunity, then maybe it suggests a problem with them.

This is Weymouth, and the reality is most expect a life on the dole, enjoying a can of lager from their doorstep whilst having a gossip with the neighbours. That's what life looked like to me as a youngster, whilst playing from the streets.
Going through school in Weymouth, like all my friends, I had very low ambitions. I expected a life of working on a fishing boat, which I was happy with. It was out of pure luck that an opportunity came up that put me on a path for a very stable career. These days my ambitions just keep growing and I see not limit to what I can achieve, both in my career and my life. If the opportunities are there to all, I'm sure ambitions in schools would grow, attitudes would change and the amount relying on benefits would fall (as would binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc). If a person fails after being given an opportunity, then maybe it suggests a problem with them. This is Weymouth, and the reality is most expect a life on the dole, enjoying a can of lager from their doorstep whilst having a gossip with the neighbours. That's what life looked like to me as a youngster, whilst playing from the streets. elloello1980
  • Score: -2

12:46pm Thu 26 Jun 14

iansedwell says...

It is truly pleasing to see The Echo carrying such a useful and insightful piece. I hope to see more of the same. This precisely the sort of journalism that should be the bedrock of a local paper. It is only right and proper that the levels of poverty and deprivation that exist in Weymouth and Portland should be exposed to public scrutiny, discussion and debate.

Well done Emma Walker and well done the editor.
It is truly pleasing to see The Echo carrying such a useful and insightful piece. I hope to see more of the same. This precisely the sort of journalism that should be the bedrock of a local paper. It is only right and proper that the levels of poverty and deprivation that exist in Weymouth and Portland should be exposed to public scrutiny, discussion and debate. Well done Emma Walker and well done the editor. iansedwell
  • Score: 15

12:48pm Thu 26 Jun 14

MrTomSmith says...

elloello1980 wrote:
Going through school in Weymouth, like all my friends, I had very low ambitions. I expected a life of working on a fishing boat, which I was happy with. It was out of pure luck that an opportunity came up that put me on a path for a very stable career.

These days my ambitions just keep growing and I see not limit to what I can achieve, both in my career and my life.

If the opportunities are there to all, I'm sure ambitions in schools would grow, attitudes would change and the amount relying on benefits would fall (as would binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc).

If a person fails after being given an opportunity, then maybe it suggests a problem with them.

This is Weymouth, and the reality is most expect a life on the dole, enjoying a can of lager from their doorstep whilst having a gossip with the neighbours. That's what life looked like to me as a youngster, whilst playing from the streets.
Well you managed a post without an insult, so we can all be grateful for that.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: Going through school in Weymouth, like all my friends, I had very low ambitions. I expected a life of working on a fishing boat, which I was happy with. It was out of pure luck that an opportunity came up that put me on a path for a very stable career. These days my ambitions just keep growing and I see not limit to what I can achieve, both in my career and my life. If the opportunities are there to all, I'm sure ambitions in schools would grow, attitudes would change and the amount relying on benefits would fall (as would binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc). If a person fails after being given an opportunity, then maybe it suggests a problem with them. This is Weymouth, and the reality is most expect a life on the dole, enjoying a can of lager from their doorstep whilst having a gossip with the neighbours. That's what life looked like to me as a youngster, whilst playing from the streets.[/p][/quote]Well you managed a post without an insult, so we can all be grateful for that. MrTomSmith
  • Score: 5

1:02pm Thu 26 Jun 14

elloello1980 says...

Oh, it's the Echo's favourite reader back with another great contribution.

Well done MrTomSmith, another great day of comments from yourself. You have won a copy of the Echo, signed by one of the Broadchurch extras*

*delivery cost of £30 will apply
Oh, it's the Echo's favourite reader back with another great contribution. Well done MrTomSmith, another great day of comments from yourself. You have won a copy of the Echo, signed by one of the Broadchurch extras* *delivery cost of £30 will apply elloello1980
  • Score: -6

7:18pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Top Gear says...

You know the old saying: Don't breed them if you can't feed them!!
You know the old saying: Don't breed them if you can't feed them!! Top Gear
  • Score: 8

7:32pm Thu 26 Jun 14

JamesYoung says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
Fair comment. I, too, travel out. My income allows me to do so. A minimum wage job would barely cover the cost of travel to Dorchester, let alone further afield.
It is the nature of capitalism that full employment can never be achieved. It is also the nature of capitalism that eventually, everything can be produced more cheaply overseas and thus wages fall. Eventually, the economy moves from being fed by spent wages to being supported by increasing household debt.
Sound familiar?
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]Fair comment. I, too, travel out. My income allows me to do so. A minimum wage job would barely cover the cost of travel to Dorchester, let alone further afield. It is the nature of capitalism that full employment can never be achieved. It is also the nature of capitalism that eventually, everything can be produced more cheaply overseas and thus wages fall. Eventually, the economy moves from being fed by spent wages to being supported by increasing household debt. Sound familiar? JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

7:35pm Thu 26 Jun 14

JamesYoung says...

elloello1980 wrote:
Going through school in Weymouth, like all my friends, I had very low ambitions. I expected a life of working on a fishing boat, which I was happy with. It was out of pure luck that an opportunity came up that put me on a path for a very stable career.

These days my ambitions just keep growing and I see not limit to what I can achieve, both in my career and my life.

If the opportunities are there to all, I'm sure ambitions in schools would grow, attitudes would change and the amount relying on benefits would fall (as would binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc).

If a person fails after being given an opportunity, then maybe it suggests a problem with them.

This is Weymouth, and the reality is most expect a life on the dole, enjoying a can of lager from their doorstep whilst having a gossip with the neighbours. That's what life looked like to me as a youngster, whilst playing from the streets.
I've given this a lot of thought over the last year or two and you know what i think would be a really good move? The difference in cost between a single earner family in a low paid job is actually very little in comparison to having that family at home living on benefits.
Almost with a stroke of a pen, all those unemployed people could be made public sector employees. Council services would improve but more than that, these people would have aspiration and promotion prospects.
Instead, we see schemes that are reminiscent of slave labour for private sector profits.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: Going through school in Weymouth, like all my friends, I had very low ambitions. I expected a life of working on a fishing boat, which I was happy with. It was out of pure luck that an opportunity came up that put me on a path for a very stable career. These days my ambitions just keep growing and I see not limit to what I can achieve, both in my career and my life. If the opportunities are there to all, I'm sure ambitions in schools would grow, attitudes would change and the amount relying on benefits would fall (as would binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc). If a person fails after being given an opportunity, then maybe it suggests a problem with them. This is Weymouth, and the reality is most expect a life on the dole, enjoying a can of lager from their doorstep whilst having a gossip with the neighbours. That's what life looked like to me as a youngster, whilst playing from the streets.[/p][/quote]I've given this a lot of thought over the last year or two and you know what i think would be a really good move? The difference in cost between a single earner family in a low paid job is actually very little in comparison to having that family at home living on benefits. Almost with a stroke of a pen, all those unemployed people could be made public sector employees. Council services would improve but more than that, these people would have aspiration and promotion prospects. Instead, we see schemes that are reminiscent of slave labour for private sector profits. JamesYoung
  • Score: 8

7:59pm Thu 26 Jun 14

ksmain says...

elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
Well I do blame those who choose benefits life to working life - the benefits system was put in place to help those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves in an adverse situation - not to provide a lifestyle choice of comfort over working!! This country should remove the 'lifestyle' choice of benefits that has sprung up over the last 20-30 years because we cannot now afford it and we are seeing the start of limiting of the social system for that reason. I personally think that in about 15-20 years time people will not be able to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice as there will simply be no money in the system to pay for it.

Remember too, if it wasn't for those working THERE WOULD BE NO BENEFITS SYSTEM FOR OTHERS TO USE - fact!!!!

Also what definition do we put on 'poverty' - for me it is those that do not have a roof over their heads, and cannot feed or clothe themselves properly. For me it does not include luxury items - smoking, drinking alcohol, TV, mobile phone, car - these are luxuries and a lifestyle choice.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]Well I do blame those who choose benefits life to working life - the benefits system was put in place to help those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves in an adverse situation - not to provide a lifestyle choice of comfort over working!! This country should remove the 'lifestyle' choice of benefits that has sprung up over the last 20-30 years because we cannot now afford it and we are seeing the start of limiting of the social system for that reason. I personally think that in about 15-20 years time people will not be able to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice as there will simply be no money in the system to pay for it. Remember too, if it wasn't for those working THERE WOULD BE NO BENEFITS SYSTEM FOR OTHERS TO USE - fact!!!! Also what definition do we put on 'poverty' - for me it is those that do not have a roof over their heads, and cannot feed or clothe themselves properly. For me it does not include luxury items - smoking, drinking alcohol, TV, mobile phone, car - these are luxuries and a lifestyle choice. ksmain
  • Score: 12

10:16pm Thu 26 Jun 14

JamesYoung says...

ksmain wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
Well I do blame those who choose benefits life to working life - the benefits system was put in place to help those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves in an adverse situation - not to provide a lifestyle choice of comfort over working!! This country should remove the 'lifestyle' choice of benefits that has sprung up over the last 20-30 years because we cannot now afford it and we are seeing the start of limiting of the social system for that reason. I personally think that in about 15-20 years time people will not be able to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice as there will simply be no money in the system to pay for it.

Remember too, if it wasn't for those working THERE WOULD BE NO BENEFITS SYSTEM FOR OTHERS TO USE - fact!!!!

Also what definition do we put on 'poverty' - for me it is those that do not have a roof over their heads, and cannot feed or clothe themselves properly. For me it does not include luxury items - smoking, drinking alcohol, TV, mobile phone, car - these are luxuries and a lifestyle choice.
I agree with the point about the definition of poverty - it is a long way from the grinding poverty of yesteryear.
However, a lot of people cannot find work for 3-6 months after they lose a job. They are a different class to the benefit scroungers and there are more of them.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]Well I do blame those who choose benefits life to working life - the benefits system was put in place to help those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves in an adverse situation - not to provide a lifestyle choice of comfort over working!! This country should remove the 'lifestyle' choice of benefits that has sprung up over the last 20-30 years because we cannot now afford it and we are seeing the start of limiting of the social system for that reason. I personally think that in about 15-20 years time people will not be able to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice as there will simply be no money in the system to pay for it. Remember too, if it wasn't for those working THERE WOULD BE NO BENEFITS SYSTEM FOR OTHERS TO USE - fact!!!! Also what definition do we put on 'poverty' - for me it is those that do not have a roof over their heads, and cannot feed or clothe themselves properly. For me it does not include luxury items - smoking, drinking alcohol, TV, mobile phone, car - these are luxuries and a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]I agree with the point about the definition of poverty - it is a long way from the grinding poverty of yesteryear. However, a lot of people cannot find work for 3-6 months after they lose a job. They are a different class to the benefit scroungers and there are more of them. JamesYoung
  • Score: 4

9:55am Fri 27 Jun 14

elloello1980 says...

ksmain wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote:
I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income.

The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent.

Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop.

Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers.

Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation.

Fight the system, don't hate the people!
Well I do blame those who choose benefits life to working life - the benefits system was put in place to help those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves in an adverse situation - not to provide a lifestyle choice of comfort over working!! This country should remove the 'lifestyle' choice of benefits that has sprung up over the last 20-30 years because we cannot now afford it and we are seeing the start of limiting of the social system for that reason. I personally think that in about 15-20 years time people will not be able to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice as there will simply be no money in the system to pay for it.

Remember too, if it wasn't for those working THERE WOULD BE NO BENEFITS SYSTEM FOR OTHERS TO USE - fact!!!!

Also what definition do we put on 'poverty' - for me it is those that do not have a roof over their heads, and cannot feed or clothe themselves properly. For me it does not include luxury items - smoking, drinking alcohol, TV, mobile phone, car - these are luxuries and a lifestyle choice.
BENEFIT STREET! lol

We should be fighting for a system that makes it pay to work. If I had the choice to work, not see my kids and struggle to feed them. or not work, have a secure home and support, and spend all the time with my kids. yeah, I know what I'd choose.

If people aimed their hate of the 'scroungers' towards the toffs that decide £6ph is acceptable in this day and age, we might get somewhere in turning people over to working...
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]Well I do blame those who choose benefits life to working life - the benefits system was put in place to help those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves in an adverse situation - not to provide a lifestyle choice of comfort over working!! This country should remove the 'lifestyle' choice of benefits that has sprung up over the last 20-30 years because we cannot now afford it and we are seeing the start of limiting of the social system for that reason. I personally think that in about 15-20 years time people will not be able to choose benefits as a lifestyle choice as there will simply be no money in the system to pay for it. Remember too, if it wasn't for those working THERE WOULD BE NO BENEFITS SYSTEM FOR OTHERS TO USE - fact!!!! Also what definition do we put on 'poverty' - for me it is those that do not have a roof over their heads, and cannot feed or clothe themselves properly. For me it does not include luxury items - smoking, drinking alcohol, TV, mobile phone, car - these are luxuries and a lifestyle choice.[/p][/quote]BENEFIT STREET! lol We should be fighting for a system that makes it pay to work. If I had the choice to work, not see my kids and struggle to feed them. or not work, have a secure home and support, and spend all the time with my kids. yeah, I know what I'd choose. If people aimed their hate of the 'scroungers' towards the toffs that decide £6ph is acceptable in this day and age, we might get somewhere in turning people over to working... elloello1980
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

February1948 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
WykeReg wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already!
what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people!
No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.
Oops not sure what happened there. Perhaps someone at the Echo can delete the duplicates
I'm not sure about deprivation either. Some people feel deprived if they don't have all the latest techological gear, phones, tv's etc., or designer shoes and clothes. I would feel deprived if I could not afford food or pay the electricity bill. How is deprivation interpreted? Deviating a bit, parts of Portland Underhill comprise really lovely houses, lived in by hard-working and professional people; are they lumped in with the have-nots? Please let me know; we are thinking of retiring to that rather lovely island!
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: I am not clear on what is meant by 'income deprivation' because as far as I know nobody who is capable of working is denied an income. The problems described in various areas of Weymouth and Portland include obese kids, binge drinking, and drug use. Clearly there is no 'income deprivation' here, only poor choices being made in how the income is spent. Always, in these reports, the solution is to throw even more money at the problems. This is unlikely ever to succeed. The fundamental issue is a growing breakdown in society where too many people have given up on the principle that they are responsible for themselves and their families and simply don't care anymore preferring to put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives. Enough already![/p][/quote]what a load of codswallop. Is it coincidence that so many 'choose' to "put the onus on hard-pressed taxpayers to support their dysfunctional lives" or is the area deprived of proper work and careers. Yes, some have found good careers in the town, others like me travel out. but to suggest it's at the fault of the people implies you have had it all too easy in life... I've dragged myself up from the bottom and certainly don't blame individuals who choose a more comfortable life on benefits over an underpaid-overworked job that puts you in a worse situation. Fight the system, don't hate the people![/p][/quote]No,it isn't all the fault of individuals. Nevertheless some people are making some poor life choices. Here are Portland there seem to be a fair number of people who expect that 1,000s of jobs will magically emerge from somewhere. After nearly 20 years since the Navy left I think it is fair to say that that won't happen. That means that a fair number of people will need to move away to find work, which is how many of us that aren't local came to be here in the first place. From what I see there are also parents and children who don't make the most of educational opportunities. In fairness, this isn't unique to Weymouth and Portland, given recent reports as to how poorly the white working class perform in education in the UK. But the fact remains that children in Underhill underperforming the schools where my mother lives which has far higher depravation and the primary school children speak 30-40 different languages. Nor do I think it's entirely wise for very young people to have 2 or 3 children or more before going to the trouble of getting a job.[/p][/quote]Oops not sure what happened there. Perhaps someone at the Echo can delete the duplicates[/p][/quote]I'm not sure about deprivation either. Some people feel deprived if they don't have all the latest techological gear, phones, tv's etc., or designer shoes and clothes. I would feel deprived if I could not afford food or pay the electricity bill. How is deprivation interpreted? Deviating a bit, parts of Portland Underhill comprise really lovely houses, lived in by hard-working and professional people; are they lumped in with the have-nots? Please let me know; we are thinking of retiring to that rather lovely island! February1948
  • Score: 3

8:24pm Sun 29 Jun 14

misfortuneswell says...

February 1948 - you might want to think twice before relocating. Where I live in Fortuneswell, it's at least a weekly occurrence to have people banging against my front windows while fighting, shrieking abuse at each other in the early hours of the morning and leaving puddles of vomit all over the pavements. Nice view of the sea, though - like most of Portland, the true beauty only becomes apparent when looking AWAY from the island...
February 1948 - you might want to think twice before relocating. Where I live in Fortuneswell, it's at least a weekly occurrence to have people banging against my front windows while fighting, shrieking abuse at each other in the early hours of the morning and leaving puddles of vomit all over the pavements. Nice view of the sea, though - like most of Portland, the true beauty only becomes apparent when looking AWAY from the island... misfortuneswell
  • Score: 1

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