Public sector unions strike over pay and pensions

Dorset Echo: PICKET PROTEST:  Staff at the HM Land Registry in Weymouth PICKET PROTEST: Staff at the HM Land Registry in Weymouth

UNIONS say they are not holding out hope that the government will take action after a mass walkout of thousands of public sector workers across the county.

Some teachers, public office workers and firefighters supported the action which came amid a row over conditions.

Union members drew picket lines outside council offices, the Department of Work and Pensions and the Land Registry office in Weymouth.

Refuse collectors, school support staff, cleaners, street sweepers, care workers, nursery assistants and social workers, are among those who have walked out. Unions are calling for a £1.20 per hour pay rise, to bring the lowest level of pay in local government and schools to the Living Wage.

They are calling on the Local Government Association to re-consider its refusal to get back into talks or go to the Government’s conciliation service ACAS.

Andy Woodgate, PCS branch chairman at the Land Registry office, said: “We had about a 75 per cent turnout – so about two thirds of union members were out. The fact that David Cameron has responded makes us hopeful.

“But I don’t think he’s really going to listen. But the point is, enough is enough. We have got to make a stand.”

Mr Woodgate said the action was part of a ‘rolling programme’ of strikes and although the next stage of industrial action has not been announced, union members will be striking again once it is.

Tim Nicholls, branch chairman for PCS at the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP), Weymouth, said: “I think there will be little achievement from today.

“The government will once again try to deceive the public when it comes to the number of workers that were on strike – counting people who are sick and away as working. So getting results will require more action.

“It’s getting ridiculous.”

He said there are two main reasons for DWP staff striking – a one per cent pay freeze and the eradication of the pension scheme. He added: “There is no alternative in place, no other scheme in place and the one they have proposed is worse.”

A number of schools across the county, including Southill Primary School, Dorchester Middle School, Damers First School and Bridport Primary School, were shut as part of the industrial action.

Teachers decided to strike for a number of reasons, including the size of classes, with Dorset seeing the sharpest rise in the south west of classes of more than 30 children.

Simon Bowkett, Labour’s Parliamentary Candidate for South Dorset, said: “The government is failing our young people by cutting funding, removing the regulations that prevented over-crowding in our classrooms and allowing unqualified teachers to teach our children.”

He added: “All four of my children attend local state schools, and I know that other local parents will want to know their children are being taught by a qualified teacher in reasonable class sizes. What these new figures reveal is that the job of teachers in Dorset is being made harder and harder as class sizes increase.”

Dorset Waste Partnership said brown bins due to have been collected in Weymouth yesterday will be picked up today. Green bins will be collected tomorrow.

STEAM TRAIN HIT BY INDUSTRIAL ACTION

ONE of the more unusual repercussions of yesterday’s public sector strike was the effect on an historic train excursion due to steam into Swanage station.


Surrey-based Steam Dreams, who run the Cathedrals Express, were set to run a train from London Victoria to Swanage.


However, because Dorset firefighters from the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) were supporting yesterday’s walkout, Network Rail ordered the company to replace the steam locomotives with diesel engines.


Steam Dreams confirmed they were barred from operating a steam locomotive on the mainline.
A Network Rail spokesman told the Dorset Echo: “Whenever there have been fire strikes in the past one of the repercussions is that we cannot allow steam trains to run on the network.


“In the days when the railway was largely operated by steam, the trains kept all the trackside vegetation cut back because, basically, they kept setting fire to the stuff.


“Today most of our trains, on our much greener railway, are diesel or electric, and we have many trees trackside. Unfortunately, this means steam trains do pose a bit of a fire risk.


“Normally, to accommodate steam enthusiasts but it does mean that if there is a fire strike we have to impose a safety ban.”

SHOW OF SUPPORT BY UNION

UNION members at DPS Bovington came out in a show of support for others across Dorset.


Although they were not balloted to strike, they decided to come out at lunchtime ‘in solidarity’ with others in the county.


Unite convenor Rob Thompson said: “It’s a show of solidarity. We back them.
“We wish them luck.


“The likelihood is we could be in the same position as they are in the coming few months.


“The general feeling was that we should do something to support other union members in any way we can, but without putting our members at risk.”

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7:04am Fri 11 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces?? cj07589
  • Score: 7

7:46am Fri 11 Jul 14

JamesYoung says...

cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I think that both public and private sectors need to unite to force the government to take action to deal with the real problems - namely, overpriced houses (can you see anybody voting for a house price crash?), corporate tax evasion and general rape by the banks and power elites.
This won't happen until the public sector unions accept that we are all in this together and that their strike action makes life even more difficult for the people in the private sector who are paying for their wages and pensions. We are in a race to the bottom and i don't much like the idea that i have a horde of public sector workers behind me pushing me ahead of them, through demands that, if met, will increase my taxes and reduce the amount i can pay into my pension.
That said, my wife works in the public sector and it is quite apparent that despite what is said by the Union officials above, the majority of workers did not support this strike action and acknowledge that they are fortunate to enjoy better conditions than most: and that there are challenges ahead.
The Unions, i think, are the problem here. There is a certain irony in that they accuse others of misinformation but then do the same themselves. There were far fewer people striking yesterday than they admit to, not least because they didn't ballot all their members - my wife didn't get balloted and neither did her colleagues. As for the Land Registry, the guy contradicts himself! There are no alternative pension schemes on offer....except one that we don't like. Well guess what, sunshine, we all have to save more for our pensions. By the time i retire my latest pension forecast predicts a fund of £300,000, which will give me an income of just £8,000. Why should i pay more so that you can pay less, while getting more than me when you retire?
Fortunately i think the majority of the public sector now understand the dire situation we are in. Osborne said he would balance the budget by the end of this parliament. Clearly now he won't, but he's only delivered 55% of his own target savings.
Osborne can't afford to give into the Unions....not least because if he does, there is a chance the Tories will get reelected in 2015. A fair easier approach would be to continue to make themselves unpopular and give Labour the opportunity to sort out the mess.
Here's the answer, by the way: Spain have announced a 0.03% tax on bank deposits. Most believe that is just a teaser to get the measure through and that it will increase further. That is what will happen here - the IMF have already proposed this as a remedy for sovereign debt and i think it will happen here within the next 36 months. The government is already stealing your cash by creating inflation through its money pumping; now it will do it openly.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I think that both public and private sectors need to unite to force the government to take action to deal with the real problems - namely, overpriced houses (can you see anybody voting for a house price crash?), corporate tax evasion and general rape by the banks and power elites. This won't happen until the public sector unions accept that we are all in this together and that their strike action makes life even more difficult for the people in the private sector who are paying for their wages and pensions. We are in a race to the bottom and i don't much like the idea that i have a horde of public sector workers behind me pushing me ahead of them, through demands that, if met, will increase my taxes and reduce the amount i can pay into my pension. That said, my wife works in the public sector and it is quite apparent that despite what is said by the Union officials above, the majority of workers did not support this strike action and acknowledge that they are fortunate to enjoy better conditions than most: and that there are challenges ahead. The Unions, i think, are the problem here. There is a certain irony in that they accuse others of misinformation but then do the same themselves. There were far fewer people striking yesterday than they admit to, not least because they didn't ballot all their members - my wife didn't get balloted and neither did her colleagues. As for the Land Registry, the guy contradicts himself! There are no alternative pension schemes on offer....except one that we don't like. Well guess what, sunshine, we all have to save more for our pensions. By the time i retire my latest pension forecast predicts a fund of £300,000, which will give me an income of just £8,000. Why should i pay more so that you can pay less, while getting more than me when you retire? Fortunately i think the majority of the public sector now understand the dire situation we are in. Osborne said he would balance the budget by the end of this parliament. Clearly now he won't, but he's only delivered 55% of his own target savings. Osborne can't afford to give into the Unions....not least because if he does, there is a chance the Tories will get reelected in 2015. A fair easier approach would be to continue to make themselves unpopular and give Labour the opportunity to sort out the mess. Here's the answer, by the way: Spain have announced a 0.03% tax on bank deposits. Most believe that is just a teaser to get the measure through and that it will increase further. That is what will happen here - the IMF have already proposed this as a remedy for sovereign debt and i think it will happen here within the next 36 months. The government is already stealing your cash by creating inflation through its money pumping; now it will do it openly. JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

9:38am Fri 11 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

James a lot of points you make are relevant, I do think the cost of living crisis will only get worse. Over the last 5 years the cost of everyday commodities has soared, energy, food, house prices, rent etc....yet we've had little or no payrises to keep up with double digit inflation. I would add at this juncture that stagnant salary have been artificially subdued to the influx of cheap labour from the continent despite the truth being distorted by this EU aligned excuse for a Government.
People are living for longer, the UK population is expanding yet the infrastructure to support it has not. There is a genuine land and affordable housing shortage which continues unabated. These are all increasing challenges that will in the future consume even greater proportions of working folks disposable income until it reaches crisis point where surviving by being debt and not being able to save for rainy days is the norm. I would also like to say that most genuine tax payers like myself fully recognize the essential work undertaken by many Public sector workers we understand these tough challenges, only a unified stand against the cost of living crisis will be effective. Yesterdays strikes only prove what out of touch morons the Unions are and I for one resent being held to random and then being expected to pay more for others to retire on a far better deal than i will receive myself.
James a lot of points you make are relevant, I do think the cost of living crisis will only get worse. Over the last 5 years the cost of everyday commodities has soared, energy, food, house prices, rent etc....yet we've had little or no payrises to keep up with double digit inflation. I would add at this juncture that stagnant salary have been artificially subdued to the influx of cheap labour from the continent despite the truth being distorted by this EU aligned excuse for a Government. People are living for longer, the UK population is expanding yet the infrastructure to support it has not. There is a genuine land and affordable housing shortage which continues unabated. These are all increasing challenges that will in the future consume even greater proportions of working folks disposable income until it reaches crisis point where surviving by being debt and not being able to save for rainy days is the norm. I would also like to say that most genuine tax payers like myself fully recognize the essential work undertaken by many Public sector workers we understand these tough challenges, only a unified stand against the cost of living crisis will be effective. Yesterdays strikes only prove what out of touch morons the Unions are and I for one resent being held to random and then being expected to pay more for others to retire on a far better deal than i will receive myself. cj07589
  • Score: 2

10:57am Fri 11 Jul 14

JamesYoung says...

cj07589 wrote:
James a lot of points you make are relevant, I do think the cost of living crisis will only get worse. Over the last 5 years the cost of everyday commodities has soared, energy, food, house prices, rent etc....yet we've had little or no payrises to keep up with double digit inflation. I would add at this juncture that stagnant salary have been artificially subdued to the influx of cheap labour from the continent despite the truth being distorted by this EU aligned excuse for a Government.
People are living for longer, the UK population is expanding yet the infrastructure to support it has not. There is a genuine land and affordable housing shortage which continues unabated. These are all increasing challenges that will in the future consume even greater proportions of working folks disposable income until it reaches crisis point where surviving by being debt and not being able to save for rainy days is the norm. I would also like to say that most genuine tax payers like myself fully recognize the essential work undertaken by many Public sector workers we understand these tough challenges, only a unified stand against the cost of living crisis will be effective. Yesterdays strikes only prove what out of touch morons the Unions are and I for one resent being held to random and then being expected to pay more for others to retire on a far better deal than i will receive myself.
CJ, most of what you write i agree with, but there are a few things that i don't. Firstly, people are not "living longer". More people are living longer, but they are not living beyond the normal maximum human lifespan. This is therefore a one off event.
There are around 800,000 more 50-54 year olds than 10 to 14 year olds.
So it is true to say that a much greater burden in terms of paying for the elderly will fall on us and our kids. However, where the argument starts to fall apart is when it comes to population.
The population was growing between 1988 and 1992, as was the divorce rate, but property prices fell. The population was growing between 2008 and 2010, as was the divorce rate, but property prices fell.
House prices are driven by lax lending, nothing more. Something like 97% of the population live on 4-5% of the land. If you are a rural landowner, you get subsidies totalling around £84 per acre per year. The largest 50 landowners got around £3m each last year. Yet, if you are a homeowner, you pay an average of £1800 in council tax - or a charge of £18,000 per acre per year.
Sadly, i think the government likes us to believe that house prices are linked to population growth, that the country is overcrowded, that inflation is something they try to control (rather than create) and that the BOE controls interest rates. All utter rubbish.
With the amount of misinformation out there, i'm not really all that surprised that your average union member can't see the wood for the trees. After all, there is a proven evolutionary advantage to being dumb as feck while being fast enough to keep up with the herd!
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: James a lot of points you make are relevant, I do think the cost of living crisis will only get worse. Over the last 5 years the cost of everyday commodities has soared, energy, food, house prices, rent etc....yet we've had little or no payrises to keep up with double digit inflation. I would add at this juncture that stagnant salary have been artificially subdued to the influx of cheap labour from the continent despite the truth being distorted by this EU aligned excuse for a Government. People are living for longer, the UK population is expanding yet the infrastructure to support it has not. There is a genuine land and affordable housing shortage which continues unabated. These are all increasing challenges that will in the future consume even greater proportions of working folks disposable income until it reaches crisis point where surviving by being debt and not being able to save for rainy days is the norm. I would also like to say that most genuine tax payers like myself fully recognize the essential work undertaken by many Public sector workers we understand these tough challenges, only a unified stand against the cost of living crisis will be effective. Yesterdays strikes only prove what out of touch morons the Unions are and I for one resent being held to random and then being expected to pay more for others to retire on a far better deal than i will receive myself.[/p][/quote]CJ, most of what you write i agree with, but there are a few things that i don't. Firstly, people are not "living longer". More people are living longer, but they are not living beyond the normal maximum human lifespan. This is therefore a one off event. There are around 800,000 more 50-54 year olds than 10 to 14 year olds. So it is true to say that a much greater burden in terms of paying for the elderly will fall on us and our kids. However, where the argument starts to fall apart is when it comes to population. The population was growing between 1988 and 1992, as was the divorce rate, but property prices fell. The population was growing between 2008 and 2010, as was the divorce rate, but property prices fell. House prices are driven by lax lending, nothing more. Something like 97% of the population live on 4-5% of the land. If you are a rural landowner, you get subsidies totalling around £84 per acre per year. The largest 50 landowners got around £3m each last year. Yet, if you are a homeowner, you pay an average of £1800 in council tax - or a charge of £18,000 per acre per year. Sadly, i think the government likes us to believe that house prices are linked to population growth, that the country is overcrowded, that inflation is something they try to control (rather than create) and that the BOE controls interest rates. All utter rubbish. With the amount of misinformation out there, i'm not really all that surprised that your average union member can't see the wood for the trees. After all, there is a proven evolutionary advantage to being dumb as feck while being fast enough to keep up with the herd! JamesYoung
  • Score: -16

11:01am Fri 11 Jul 14

elloello1980 says...

cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses. elloello1980
  • Score: 3

11:20am Fri 11 Jul 14

JamesYoung says...

elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel
4.com/factcheck/fact
check-public-sector-
workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first. JamesYoung
  • Score: -1

1:23pm Fri 11 Jul 14

elloello1980 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel

4.com/factcheck/fact

check-public-sector-

workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown, elloello1980
  • Score: -1

2:54pm Fri 11 Jul 14

JamesYoung says...

elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel


4.com/factcheck/fact


check-public-sector-


workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Really?
So me questioning received dogma is worse than all of the economic damage done by Brown and Osborne? Wow. Could you explain, in simple terms, why this is?
For what it's worth, i have no objection to people on minimum wage receiving a pay rise. In fact, i think it's important that everybody receives a living wage (and by definition of living wage is a wage that removes all reliance on state benefits). However, most of the people striking already earn more than this and, as the article that i referred you to points out, public sector wages are already higher than private sector wages. Fact. Well, as close to a fact that you can get with the way that statistics are manipulated by all parties.
However, i have little patience for complaints over pensions and general terms and conditions.
What i suspect you are missing is the fundamental reason why i take this position. ALL taxes come from the private sector. The public sector does not contribute one single penny. That means that the private sector will bear 100% of the cost of providing public sector compensation.
That means higher taxes for people who are already struggling to meet their own pension commitments. It also means fewer jobs, as a portion of those taxes falls on business too.
As for politicians, i completely agree that their pay rises are nothing short of scandalous. I think the members of every parliament should face a mandatory treason trial at the end of their service to discourage their self serving and vested interests. Just one example - UKIP's housing spokesman made £745,000 last year from rents paid by housing benefits. They are ALL, almost without exception, in it for themselves.
That's why i said that rather than expressing amazement when an over pressed, overworked and under pensioned private sector does not leap to defend public sector workers on better terms and conditions, the Unions should be uniting private and public sector to address the real issues, not the symptoms of those issues.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Really? So me questioning received dogma is worse than all of the economic damage done by Brown and Osborne? Wow. Could you explain, in simple terms, why this is? For what it's worth, i have no objection to people on minimum wage receiving a pay rise. In fact, i think it's important that everybody receives a living wage (and by definition of living wage is a wage that removes all reliance on state benefits). However, most of the people striking already earn more than this and, as the article that i referred you to points out, public sector wages are already higher than private sector wages. Fact. Well, as close to a fact that you can get with the way that statistics are manipulated by all parties. However, i have little patience for complaints over pensions and general terms and conditions. What i suspect you are missing is the fundamental reason why i take this position. ALL taxes come from the private sector. The public sector does not contribute one single penny. That means that the private sector will bear 100% of the cost of providing public sector compensation. That means higher taxes for people who are already struggling to meet their own pension commitments. It also means fewer jobs, as a portion of those taxes falls on business too. As for politicians, i completely agree that their pay rises are nothing short of scandalous. I think the members of every parliament should face a mandatory treason trial at the end of their service to discourage their self serving and vested interests. Just one example - UKIP's housing spokesman made £745,000 last year from rents paid by housing benefits. They are ALL, almost without exception, in it for themselves. That's why i said that rather than expressing amazement when an over pressed, overworked and under pensioned private sector does not leap to defend public sector workers on better terms and conditions, the Unions should be uniting private and public sector to address the real issues, not the symptoms of those issues. JamesYoung
  • Score: -4

4:03pm Fri 11 Jul 14

annotater says...

What do the unions think the government can do? Their hands are tied as the pot is empty due to pay related pensions and lack of NIC to pay for any more.
What do the unions think the government can do? Their hands are tied as the pot is empty due to pay related pensions and lack of NIC to pay for any more. annotater
  • Score: -5

4:22pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Rocksalt says...

elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel


4.com/factcheck/fact


check-public-sector-


workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one. Rocksalt
  • Score: 3

6:24pm Fri 11 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel



4.com/factcheck/fact



check-public-sector-



workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.[/p][/quote]Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list. cj07589
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Fri 11 Jul 14

JamesYoung says...

cj07589 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel




4.com/factcheck/fact




check-public-sector-




workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.
Certainly i think he or she needs a course in public finance and how it works.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.[/p][/quote]Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.[/p][/quote]Certainly i think he or she needs a course in public finance and how it works. JamesYoung
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Fri 11 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel





4.com/factcheck/fact





check-public-sector-





workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.
Certainly i think he or she needs a course in public finance and how it works.
And a course on sound judgement and fiscal 'prudence*' would be a good start! *sorry couldn't resist using one of bigot gate's famous cliches. :-)
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.[/p][/quote]Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.[/p][/quote]Certainly i think he or she needs a course in public finance and how it works.[/p][/quote]And a course on sound judgement and fiscal 'prudence*' would be a good start! *sorry couldn't resist using one of bigot gate's famous cliches. :-) cj07589
  • Score: 1

8:20am Sat 12 Jul 14

ksmain says...

Those striking are not helping the rest of the Public Sector. All that will happen is the government will exact job cuts for the extra money forked out or increase other costs so the increases are taken in another way. An example of this - the lengthening of the working age now until you get your pension - this means there are less jobs around for the youngsters and less likelihood of you being able to claim your pension anyway. This has happened time and time again in the past and will continue. If you are fed up with your lot get qualified to get a better job or find one elsewhere. And there are always those that will have lower paid jobs - its' called life. So this action is both pointless and unhelpful and will further diminish the perception of the Public Sector. And I work in the Public Sector by the way!
Those striking are not helping the rest of the Public Sector. All that will happen is the government will exact job cuts for the extra money forked out or increase other costs so the increases are taken in another way. An example of this - the lengthening of the working age now until you get your pension - this means there are less jobs around for the youngsters and less likelihood of you being able to claim your pension anyway. This has happened time and time again in the past and will continue. If you are fed up with your lot get qualified to get a better job or find one elsewhere. And there are always those that will have lower paid jobs - its' called life. So this action is both pointless and unhelpful and will further diminish the perception of the Public Sector. And I work in the Public Sector by the way! ksmain
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9:56am Sat 12 Jul 14

JamesYoung says...

ksmain wrote:
Those striking are not helping the rest of the Public Sector. All that will happen is the government will exact job cuts for the extra money forked out or increase other costs so the increases are taken in another way. An example of this - the lengthening of the working age now until you get your pension - this means there are less jobs around for the youngsters and less likelihood of you being able to claim your pension anyway. This has happened time and time again in the past and will continue. If you are fed up with your lot get qualified to get a better job or find one elsewhere. And there are always those that will have lower paid jobs - its' called life. So this action is both pointless and unhelpful and will further diminish the perception of the Public Sector. And I work in the Public Sector by the way!
Exactly. Several years ago DCC announced it was going to cut pay by 5% and increase holiday by 5%. The Unions objected. So the Council caved. No more money became available so the inevitable consequence was that jobs were cut and services curtailed.
Until you can plug the holes where money is leaking out of the system (i'm thinking of things like housing benefit, which are rising because of the governments own policies) and make sure rich corporates and individuals are paying in, then local strikes will have no effect. The council has to find the money from somewhere.
I don't see any prospect of the next parliament solving these problems, so more cuts are to come.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: Those striking are not helping the rest of the Public Sector. All that will happen is the government will exact job cuts for the extra money forked out or increase other costs so the increases are taken in another way. An example of this - the lengthening of the working age now until you get your pension - this means there are less jobs around for the youngsters and less likelihood of you being able to claim your pension anyway. This has happened time and time again in the past and will continue. If you are fed up with your lot get qualified to get a better job or find one elsewhere. And there are always those that will have lower paid jobs - its' called life. So this action is both pointless and unhelpful and will further diminish the perception of the Public Sector. And I work in the Public Sector by the way![/p][/quote]Exactly. Several years ago DCC announced it was going to cut pay by 5% and increase holiday by 5%. The Unions objected. So the Council caved. No more money became available so the inevitable consequence was that jobs were cut and services curtailed. Until you can plug the holes where money is leaking out of the system (i'm thinking of things like housing benefit, which are rising because of the governments own policies) and make sure rich corporates and individuals are paying in, then local strikes will have no effect. The council has to find the money from somewhere. I don't see any prospect of the next parliament solving these problems, so more cuts are to come. JamesYoung
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12:06pm Mon 14 Jul 14

elloello1980 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel



4.com/factcheck/fact



check-public-sector-



workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Really?
So me questioning received dogma is worse than all of the economic damage done by Brown and Osborne? Wow. Could you explain, in simple terms, why this is?
For what it's worth, i have no objection to people on minimum wage receiving a pay rise. In fact, i think it's important that everybody receives a living wage (and by definition of living wage is a wage that removes all reliance on state benefits). However, most of the people striking already earn more than this and, as the article that i referred you to points out, public sector wages are already higher than private sector wages. Fact. Well, as close to a fact that you can get with the way that statistics are manipulated by all parties.
However, i have little patience for complaints over pensions and general terms and conditions.
What i suspect you are missing is the fundamental reason why i take this position. ALL taxes come from the private sector. The public sector does not contribute one single penny. That means that the private sector will bear 100% of the cost of providing public sector compensation.
That means higher taxes for people who are already struggling to meet their own pension commitments. It also means fewer jobs, as a portion of those taxes falls on business too.
As for politicians, i completely agree that their pay rises are nothing short of scandalous. I think the members of every parliament should face a mandatory treason trial at the end of their service to discourage their self serving and vested interests. Just one example - UKIP's housing spokesman made £745,000 last year from rents paid by housing benefits. They are ALL, almost without exception, in it for themselves.
That's why i said that rather than expressing amazement when an over pressed, overworked and under pensioned private sector does not leap to defend public sector workers on better terms and conditions, the Unions should be uniting private and public sector to address the real issues, not the symptoms of those issues.
because we have the power to change it, if we stood as one
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Really? So me questioning received dogma is worse than all of the economic damage done by Brown and Osborne? Wow. Could you explain, in simple terms, why this is? For what it's worth, i have no objection to people on minimum wage receiving a pay rise. In fact, i think it's important that everybody receives a living wage (and by definition of living wage is a wage that removes all reliance on state benefits). However, most of the people striking already earn more than this and, as the article that i referred you to points out, public sector wages are already higher than private sector wages. Fact. Well, as close to a fact that you can get with the way that statistics are manipulated by all parties. However, i have little patience for complaints over pensions and general terms and conditions. What i suspect you are missing is the fundamental reason why i take this position. ALL taxes come from the private sector. The public sector does not contribute one single penny. That means that the private sector will bear 100% of the cost of providing public sector compensation. That means higher taxes for people who are already struggling to meet their own pension commitments. It also means fewer jobs, as a portion of those taxes falls on business too. As for politicians, i completely agree that their pay rises are nothing short of scandalous. I think the members of every parliament should face a mandatory treason trial at the end of their service to discourage their self serving and vested interests. Just one example - UKIP's housing spokesman made £745,000 last year from rents paid by housing benefits. They are ALL, almost without exception, in it for themselves. That's why i said that rather than expressing amazement when an over pressed, overworked and under pensioned private sector does not leap to defend public sector workers on better terms and conditions, the Unions should be uniting private and public sector to address the real issues, not the symptoms of those issues.[/p][/quote]because we have the power to change it, if we stood as one elloello1980
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

elloello1980 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel



4.com/factcheck/fact



check-public-sector-



workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
good spot :) *less than living wage
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.[/p][/quote]good spot :) *less than living wage elloello1980
  • Score: -1

12:10pm Mon 14 Jul 14

elloello1980 says...

cj07589 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel




4.com/factcheck/fact




check-public-sector-




workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.
your assumptions are a sign of stupidness, in all fairness.

Not sure how you could possible read that I rate Gordon Brown so highly.

Typical bollitician attitude, blame others rather than suggest ways to fix it.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.[/p][/quote]Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.[/p][/quote]your assumptions are a sign of stupidness, in all fairness. Not sure how you could possible read that I rate Gordon Brown so highly. Typical bollitician attitude, blame others rather than suggest ways to fix it. elloello1980
  • Score: -2

1:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
http://blogs.channel





4.com/factcheck/fact





check-public-sector-





workers/18468
I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.
your assumptions are a sign of stupidness, in all fairness.

Not sure how you could possible read that I rate Gordon Brown so highly.

Typical bollitician attitude, blame others rather than suggest ways to fix it.
Stupidness? Kettle black me dear!
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.[/p][/quote]Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.[/p][/quote]your assumptions are a sign of stupidness, in all fairness. Not sure how you could possible read that I rate Gordon Brown so highly. Typical bollitician attitude, blame others rather than suggest ways to fix it.[/p][/quote]Stupidness? Kettle black me dear! cj07589
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Mon 14 Jul 14

cj07589 says...

elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
elloello1980 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining.
Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??
I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector.

The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right.

It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage.

Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.
But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello?
The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men.
Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown.
The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us.
At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right.
You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal.
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I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.
No, no it's not.

Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers.

Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,
Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.
Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.
your assumptions are a sign of stupidness, in all fairness.

Not sure how you could possible read that I rate Gordon Brown so highly.

Typical bollitician attitude, blame others rather than suggest ways to fix it.
Bollitician please elucidate? Is that another English word you've made up?
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Tax payers working in the Private Sector have been dealing with the pension crisis without the guarantee of annual pay-rises and with deteriorating employment terms for many years now. When I sought a better wage I sought another job which involved retraining. Private companies have had to shut down their pension schemes because they are simply unsustainable due to the ageing population. Why should Public Sector workers be immune to the reality that everybody faces??[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a better job. Some of us have enjoyed decent pay rises and benefits from the private sector. The fact is, public sector workers are being taken the pee out of in the last 3 or 4 years and it'll continue unless they stand up for what's right. It's people like you that allow the gov to get away with it. just because you have it bad, don't wish it bad on others. you're the ideal type of person the gov wants, someone who'll moan about public sector workers being 'selfish' by wanting a fair wage. Understand you're a little man, fighting against little men, whilst the big boys are laughing at us all whilst enjoying huge pay rises and bonuses.[/p][/quote]But isn't that precisely the point, Elloello? The simple reality is that all these demands from the public sector little men are going to do is further impoverish the private sector little men. Last time there was strikes i was publicly castigated for not supporting their concerns over pensions. Where were they when my pension was raided by Gordon Brown. The real problem is the vested interests in government. If the Unions want to do something worthwhile, they should join with the private sector in demanding that the real issues in this country are dealt with. Then, there will be money for all of us. At present, what the public sector is effectively asking is that people like CJ and I work harder and longer so that their pension rights and retirement ages are protected. This is simply not right. You might want to read this article. Bear in mind that this is a UK wide evaluation - the reality in places like Dorset is that because of national pay deals, public sector staff get a very, very good deal. http://blogs.channel 4.com/factcheck/fact check-public-sector- workers/18468 I say again. We are in a race to the bottom. I'd be grateful if my comrades in the public sector didn't keep trying to push me down first.[/p][/quote]No, no it's not. Those public sector workers earning less than the minimum wage but yet refused a basic payrise whilst inflation rises. they are the ones being taking the pee out of. whilst MP's enjoy that 11% rise. all this while scandals such as expense claims and peado rings come to light. but yeah, let's blame those greedy public sector workers. Your attitude (and all those who agree) are far more damaging than the likes of Gordon Brown,[/p][/quote]Which public sector workers are earning less then the minimum wage ? You might want to check your facts on that one.[/p][/quote]Well if this person rates Gordon 'I bankrupted Britain' Brown so highly then you can be sure facts aren't at the top of the priority list.[/p][/quote]your assumptions are a sign of stupidness, in all fairness. Not sure how you could possible read that I rate Gordon Brown so highly. Typical bollitician attitude, blame others rather than suggest ways to fix it.[/p][/quote]Bollitician please elucidate? Is that another English word you've made up? cj07589
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