Islanders in campaign to fight quarry plan

CONCERN: Islanders near the the proposed quarry access at Southwell.  Picture: GRAHAM HUNT

CONCERN: Islanders near the the proposed quarry access at Southwell. Picture: GRAHAM HUNT

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ISLANDERS are gearing up for a fight against moves to quarry part of the Jurassic Coast on Portland.

They are angered by plans to open up access in Southwell to an unexploited area of stone at the southern tip of the island known as the Coastal Strip, paving the way for intense quarrying for the next 40 years.

As well as noise and disruption from lorry movements and quarry operations, there is concern about the effect works will have on the environmentally sensitive and wildlife-rich heritage coast.

There is concern that Dorset County Council, which is pursuing access to the site, is not consulting the community about developments.

Permission was granted in 1951 to quarry island sites and Stone Firms Ltd say 50 per cent of its future reserves are in the Coastal Strip – 140,000 m3 of stone.

Parts of the strip have Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI) and Special Area of Conservation (SAC) designations and there is also a Mesolithic settlement and remains of an ancient strip field system.

Growing recognition of the land’s environmental status led in 2009 to DCC modifying the permission to prevent quarrying in sensitive areas of the strip, effectively blocking Stone Firms from accessing the land near Cheyne House.

This triggered a compensation claim from Stone Firms Ltd, which argues it can no longer access the strip at a suitable site. The matter will be decided at a land tribunal.

To defend the compensation claim and back up its argument that the land can still be accessed for quarrying, DCC has applied with a Certificate of Proposed Lawful Development to create a new vehicle access to the Coastal Strip off Southwell Road opposite homes in Southwell village.

Stone Firms’ estates manager Tim Clotworthy said the company would commence operations if it was allowed to access the site there. But he described the new access as ‘ridiculous’ which will have a big effect on Southwell, possibly leading to double yellow lines in the village.

Farmer Su Illsley who started a Facebook protest page against the plans, claimed DCC was ‘riding roughshod’ over locals as it was not informing the community of the plans.

She said: “We thought this was all done and dusted in 2009. Now we hear there is a plan for new access.

“If permission goes through then Stone Firms will start quarrying and that will destroy habitats on the Jurassic Coast and have a massive impact on life on the island for the next 40 years.”

Town and borough councillor Ray Nowak said he would be ‘prepared to strap himself to a boulder’ to prevent quarrying there.

He said: “People are distraught at the thought of this land being quarried, and with a new access point which will blight the lives of Southwell residents.

“It is time to repeal the permissions from 1951.”

DCC said the community had not been informed as the certificate had not been validated or registered.

Huw Williams, acting development management team leader, said: “The county council is not seeking to promote quarrying in the Coastal Strip.

“The certificate application will not lead to a grant of planning permission, rather planning permission already exists for quarrying in the coastal strip.”

Stone Firms: 'Quarrying is big business on isle'

STONE Firms' estates manager Tim Clotworthy said: “The council believes there are alternative accesses to the Coastal Strip and the one they are focussing on is an eight foot wide field gate inside the village which is ridiculous.

“The council has failed to tell anyone about this and people should know.”

He added: “If we get access we will work the Coastal Strip. We will do this sensibly and in a phased way with sensitive restoration behind us.

“We don't want to go in upsetting people. We're a local company employing 70 people full-time and many more indirectly. In the last two years we've invested £2 million on new plant and equipment. It's a huge business on Portland.

“We quarry responsibility and sensibly and there are very few complaints about what we do.”

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9:11am Sat 12 Jul 14

PORTLAND ROVER says...

Tim Clotworthy completely missing the Point! The Firm wants to destroy existing habitat for wildlife and the Ancient Lawnsheds. This is an area of outstanding natural beauty... This Mineral right you have is outdated and should not be used to ultimately destroy millions of years on natural land. If you cannot MINE to extract... You must NOT Extract AT ALL!!!

Mr Clotworthy says stone firms will sensitively restore as they go. Restoration is not an option! Preservation IS!
Tim Clotworthy completely missing the Point! The Firm wants to destroy existing habitat for wildlife and the Ancient Lawnsheds. This is an area of outstanding natural beauty... This Mineral right you have is outdated and should not be used to ultimately destroy millions of years on natural land. If you cannot MINE to extract... You must NOT Extract AT ALL!!! Mr Clotworthy says stone firms will sensitively restore as they go. Restoration is not an option! Preservation IS! PORTLAND ROVER
  • Score: 29

10:13am Sat 12 Jul 14

MaidofDorset says...

How can you 'restore' a big hole in the ground?
How can you 'restore' a big hole in the ground? MaidofDorset
  • Score: 17

10:51am Sat 12 Jul 14

jamesnan says...

NO NO NO!!!!!! Stop the rape of our beautiful Island , all the money in the world will not put back what is destroyed ......
NO NO NO!!!!!! Stop the rape of our beautiful Island , all the money in the world will not put back what is destroyed ...... jamesnan
  • Score: 15

11:12am Sat 12 Jul 14

Genghis says...

"Town and borough councillor Ray Nowak said he would be ‘prepared to strap himself to a boulder’ ..."

Pity he, and the rest of the Portland Town councillors didn't come up with this idea after their brilliant 1,000% precept rise proposal. We could have had a trebuchet built to send them on their way.
"Town and borough councillor Ray Nowak said he would be ‘prepared to strap himself to a boulder’ ..." Pity he, and the rest of the Portland Town councillors didn't come up with this idea after their brilliant 1,000% precept rise proposal. We could have had a trebuchet built to send them on their way. Genghis
  • Score: 15

12:02pm Sat 12 Jul 14

WykeReg says...

MaidofDorset wrote:
How can you 'restore' a big hole in the ground?
I think the Eden Project is a pretty good example of how it's done.
[quote][p][bold]MaidofDorset[/bold] wrote: How can you 'restore' a big hole in the ground?[/p][/quote]I think the Eden Project is a pretty good example of how it's done. WykeReg
  • Score: 14

12:05pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Rocksalt says...

Is anyone able to point out to me a single pre-existing example of 'sensitive restoration'of any former quarrying sites on Portland ? I won't hold my breath.

I confess I am ignorant about these matter,but it seems that planning permission for quarrying lasts in perpertuity. In any event, DCC and WPBC need to get a grip on this. Mucking about with Conservation areas on Portland is hardly a priority in this context.
Is anyone able to point out to me a single pre-existing example of 'sensitive restoration'of any former quarrying sites on Portland ? I won't hold my breath. I confess I am ignorant about these matter,but it seems that planning permission for quarrying lasts in perpertuity. In any event, DCC and WPBC need to get a grip on this. Mucking about with Conservation areas on Portland is hardly a priority in this context. Rocksalt
  • Score: 12

12:45pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Dorset Boy says...

Stone firms cannot rip up this plot of beautiful Dorset. The rabbits will revolt as they will have nowhere to live
Stone firms cannot rip up this plot of beautiful Dorset. The rabbits will revolt as they will have nowhere to live Dorset Boy
  • Score: -9

3:56pm Sat 12 Jul 14

dark side says...

I agree with rocksalt, were are there Quarry's that have been Restored? The Quarry companies have been aloud to operate opencast Quarry's with out fully restoring them. The Stone Firm's have invested 2 million Pound's in plant and Equipment ,is this investment for open cast Quarrying? Albion Stone have invested millions of pound's on new Equipment and learnt how to mine the Stone .this leaves hardly any footprint on the Landscape ,and I believe very soon Mining will be there only way of Extracting Portland stone. Surely this has to be the way forward? There are two good Examples of the two Different way's stone is Extracted on Portland , look at the Red triangle Cricket pitch ,then go and have a look at the Quarry down by the Windmills. I don't want to see any type of Quarrying out the coastal strip, I hope the stone firm's get compensated and give up there Mineral right's.
I agree with rocksalt, were are there Quarry's that have been Restored? The Quarry companies have been aloud to operate opencast Quarry's with out fully restoring them. The Stone Firm's have invested 2 million Pound's in plant and Equipment ,is this investment for open cast Quarrying? Albion Stone have invested millions of pound's on new Equipment and learnt how to mine the Stone .this leaves hardly any footprint on the Landscape ,and I believe very soon Mining will be there only way of Extracting Portland stone. Surely this has to be the way forward? There are two good Examples of the two Different way's stone is Extracted on Portland , look at the Red triangle Cricket pitch ,then go and have a look at the Quarry down by the Windmills. I don't want to see any type of Quarrying out the coastal strip, I hope the stone firm's get compensated and give up there Mineral right's. dark side
  • Score: 40

6:05pm Sat 12 Jul 14

kjhgfdsa says...

We should be protective of our Jurassic coastline, not allowing it to be torn up! So much wildlife lives there. We don't seem to have any 'joined up thinking'! On the one hand we're saying Jurassica is an amazing investment in the island, which will celebrate all things good about it. On the other hand the powers that be want to destroy the very habitat that has brought Jurassica here! Crazy!!
We should be protective of our Jurassic coastline, not allowing it to be torn up! So much wildlife lives there. We don't seem to have any 'joined up thinking'! On the one hand we're saying Jurassica is an amazing investment in the island, which will celebrate all things good about it. On the other hand the powers that be want to destroy the very habitat that has brought Jurassica here! Crazy!! kjhgfdsa
  • Score: 6

6:16pm Sat 12 Jul 14

southwellman says...

People seem to forget Portland was built on the quarry. If you walk from Chene to Bill there are still signs of quarrys past. It is the old saying here.. if you dont like it move! and I dare say many of the people who are moaning the loudest have no local accent anyways! I for one would rather it is quarried than have Red house and Beterment pay out sums of money to people to have housing plans pushed through.
I dare say none of you moaned when they took the quarry at the bottom of Wakeham from where the stone was used to make the crosses for the fallen in the world wars, which was promised to be left as a monument to the people of Portland to remeber what they did. No one gace a hoot about it and now its full of houses.. its a case of what you would rather have.. and industry that provids jobs or more housing.. Really people walk across the road and there is a quarry there.
People seem to forget Portland was built on the quarry. If you walk from Chene to Bill there are still signs of quarrys past. It is the old saying here.. if you dont like it move! and I dare say many of the people who are moaning the loudest have no local accent anyways! I for one would rather it is quarried than have Red house and Beterment pay out sums of money to people to have housing plans pushed through. I dare say none of you moaned when they took the quarry at the bottom of Wakeham from where the stone was used to make the crosses for the fallen in the world wars, which was promised to be left as a monument to the people of Portland to remeber what they did. No one gace a hoot about it and now its full of houses.. its a case of what you would rather have.. and industry that provids jobs or more housing.. Really people walk across the road and there is a quarry there. southwellman
  • Score: -11

7:09pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Portland Born says...

Please Never mention the R word
Thankyou
Please Never mention the R word Thankyou Portland Born
  • Score: -3

7:18pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Portland Born says...

There going to need a big hole to put all that rubble in !!!
There going to need a big hole to put all that rubble in !!! Portland Born
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Sat 12 Jul 14

arlbergbahn says...

I'm sorry? Stone is what Portland's famous for. What are people blithering about? "This rape of Portland"?? oh dearie me.
I'm sorry? Stone is what Portland's famous for. What are people blithering about? "This rape of Portland"?? oh dearie me. arlbergbahn
  • Score: -8

9:06am Sun 13 Jul 14

Rocksalt says...

southwellman wrote:
People seem to forget Portland was built on the quarry. If you walk from Chene to Bill there are still signs of quarrys past. It is the old saying here.. if you dont like it move! and I dare say many of the people who are moaning the loudest have no local accent anyways! I for one would rather it is quarried than have Red house and Beterment pay out sums of money to people to have housing plans pushed through.
I dare say none of you moaned when they took the quarry at the bottom of Wakeham from where the stone was used to make the crosses for the fallen in the world wars, which was promised to be left as a monument to the people of Portland to remeber what they did. No one gace a hoot about it and now its full of houses.. its a case of what you would rather have.. and industry that provids jobs or more housing.. Really people walk across the road and there is a quarry there.
How many jobs do quarries provide nowadays? I think you will find that there are far more and better paid jobs at the prison and IRC. Sadly, most if not all of the senior staff chose to live and spend their money elsewhere, Trashing the remaining open space isn't likely to change that. Mind you,I don't suppose that will bother you as most of them don't have local accents,
[quote][p][bold]southwellman[/bold] wrote: People seem to forget Portland was built on the quarry. If you walk from Chene to Bill there are still signs of quarrys past. It is the old saying here.. if you dont like it move! and I dare say many of the people who are moaning the loudest have no local accent anyways! I for one would rather it is quarried than have Red house and Beterment pay out sums of money to people to have housing plans pushed through. I dare say none of you moaned when they took the quarry at the bottom of Wakeham from where the stone was used to make the crosses for the fallen in the world wars, which was promised to be left as a monument to the people of Portland to remeber what they did. No one gace a hoot about it and now its full of houses.. its a case of what you would rather have.. and industry that provids jobs or more housing.. Really people walk across the road and there is a quarry there.[/p][/quote]How many jobs do quarries provide nowadays? I think you will find that there are far more and better paid jobs at the prison and IRC. Sadly, most if not all of the senior staff chose to live and spend their money elsewhere, Trashing the remaining open space isn't likely to change that. Mind you,I don't suppose that will bother you as most of them don't have local accents, Rocksalt
  • Score: 1

9:24am Sun 13 Jul 14

PORTLAND ROVER says...

Stone IS what the Isle is Famous for, you are correct. But times have changed and so has the methods of Stone extraction. The Mineral rights where agreed in 1951... a long time ago and the document was signed in different times when there were little or no Priorities due to the lack of understanding about the destruction of natural habitat. This is 2014. Portland is a much different place, modern buildings are built with steel, concrete and Bricks, Portland Stone is now used for decorative adornments for buildings and not normally used structurally. Portland is now OVERDEVELOPED. Greed has ruined this beautiful Isle. There is little green pasture and wildlife habitat left. The Coastal Strip is environmentally sensitive and also part of a world Heritage site. To destroy this would be just the same a knocking down Durdle Door.

Stone Firms will not Mine here because the beds are closer to the surface. As I have said before. This part of Portland is rich in wildlife and the Ancient lawnsheds are a big part of Portland's history. And judging by some ill informed comments here some of you think Portland People should shut-up and let them get on with it... Well, let me put it to you... would YOU want a girt hole dug right in the middle of your garden? NO you wouldn't... The Coastal Strip IS PORTLAND'S GARDEN! There is very little green space left.

Quite simply... THIS MUST BE PROTECTED.

And what is all this about 'We didn't moan when they took stone for the War dead memorials? Good God southwellman! Really? Is that a basis for an argument? different times, different way of life back then! this id 2014 if you haven't have noticed!

This Proposed extraction will be right on your Doorstep... You seem not to care a jot about the Isle which I presume you live... Unless you now live on the mainland, because that comment does not seem to me to be from someone from Portland who lives right in the firing line of this Proposal.

Perhaps I am being too assuming and perhaps you will put me right, and no doubt you will.
Stone IS what the Isle is Famous for, you are correct. But times have changed and so has the methods of Stone extraction. The Mineral rights where agreed in 1951... a long time ago and the document was signed in different times when there were little or no Priorities due to the lack of understanding about the destruction of natural habitat. This is 2014. Portland is a much different place, modern buildings are built with steel, concrete and Bricks, Portland Stone is now used for decorative adornments for buildings and not normally used structurally. Portland is now OVERDEVELOPED. Greed has ruined this beautiful Isle. There is little green pasture and wildlife habitat left. The Coastal Strip is environmentally sensitive and also part of a world Heritage site. To destroy this would be just the same a knocking down Durdle Door. Stone Firms will not Mine here because the beds are closer to the surface. As I have said before. This part of Portland is rich in wildlife and the Ancient lawnsheds are a big part of Portland's history. And judging by some ill informed comments here some of you think Portland People should shut-up and let them get on with it... Well, let me put it to you... would YOU want a girt hole dug right in the middle of your garden? NO you wouldn't... The Coastal Strip IS PORTLAND'S GARDEN! There is very little green space left. Quite simply... THIS MUST BE PROTECTED. And what is all this about 'We didn't moan when they took stone for the War dead memorials? Good God southwellman! Really? Is that a basis for an argument? different times, different way of life back then! this id 2014 if you haven't have noticed! This Proposed extraction will be right on your Doorstep... You seem not to care a jot about the Isle which I presume you live... Unless you now live on the mainland, because that comment does not seem to me to be from someone from Portland who lives right in the firing line of this Proposal. Perhaps I am being too assuming and perhaps you will put me right, and no doubt you will. PORTLAND ROVER
  • Score: 25

10:19am Sun 13 Jul 14

1Kimberlin says...

Well some of you need to go and look yourselves in a room with a load of books and read about the Isles History & Quarrying for a start.

Do you think that UNESCO will stand back and allow this to happen to a World Heritage Site?

This I am 110% Sure will not happen as I am led to believe that the Stone Firms DO NOT want to quarry this Area. they just want the Compensation for NOT Quarrying the area

The Protests will strengthen their case for compensation, you can just see it can't you Loads of Protest's Stone Firms back down get £££££'s of compo and the Owner retires gracefully to somewhere nice & warm.
I think this has been the 'Master plan' for a while
Hope I'm not worng
Well some of you need to go and look yourselves in a room with a load of books and read about the Isles History & Quarrying for a start. Do you think that UNESCO will stand back and allow this to happen to a World Heritage Site? This I am 110% Sure will not happen as I am led to believe that the Stone Firms DO NOT want to quarry this Area. they just want the Compensation for NOT Quarrying the area The Protests will strengthen their case for compensation, you can just see it can't you Loads of Protest's Stone Firms back down get £££££'s of compo and the Owner retires gracefully to somewhere nice & warm. I think this has been the 'Master plan' for a while Hope I'm not worng 1Kimberlin
  • Score: 14

10:31am Sun 13 Jul 14

southwellman says...

kjhgfdsa wrote:
We should be protective of our Jurassic coastline, not allowing it to be torn up! So much wildlife lives there. We don't seem to have any 'joined up thinking'! On the one hand we're saying Jurassica is an amazing investment in the island, which will celebrate all things good about it. On the other hand the powers that be want to destroy the very habitat that has brought Jurassica here! Crazy!!
How do you think they find the remains? And it is not just the Jurassic period it also the cretatious and triassic.. I have walked much of the island and never fail to spot wild life.. Including longears, So they will inhabbit again.
[quote][p][bold]kjhgfdsa[/bold] wrote: We should be protective of our Jurassic coastline, not allowing it to be torn up! So much wildlife lives there. We don't seem to have any 'joined up thinking'! On the one hand we're saying Jurassica is an amazing investment in the island, which will celebrate all things good about it. On the other hand the powers that be want to destroy the very habitat that has brought Jurassica here! Crazy!![/p][/quote]How do you think they find the remains? And it is not just the Jurassic period it also the cretatious and triassic.. I have walked much of the island and never fail to spot wild life.. Including longears, So they will inhabbit again. southwellman
  • Score: -4

10:50am Sun 13 Jul 14

not too distant says...

The wrong attitude in the wrong century, and in the wrong part of the world. The 'matter of fact' statement from Tim Clotworthy pretty much sums up the "this is what we do - get used to it" sentiments that prevailed up until the late 80's. WPBC need to get with the times, and wisen up to the fact that it's the public that employs them, not envolopes full of cash.
The wrong attitude in the wrong century, and in the wrong part of the world. The 'matter of fact' statement from Tim Clotworthy pretty much sums up the "this is what we do - get used to it" sentiments that prevailed up until the late 80's. WPBC need to get with the times, and wisen up to the fact that it's the public that employs them, not envolopes full of cash. not too distant
  • Score: -1

3:33pm Sun 13 Jul 14

common cence says...

SURELY IT SHOULD BE WEYMOUTH AND PORTLAND STONE NOT JUST PORTLAND ,
SURELY IT SHOULD BE WEYMOUTH AND PORTLAND STONE NOT JUST PORTLAND , common cence
  • Score: -11

4:19pm Sun 13 Jul 14

oldbrock says...

Portland Born wrote:
Please Never mention the R word
Thankyou
what words that then? RABBITS?
[quote][p][bold]Portland Born[/bold] wrote: Please Never mention the R word Thankyou[/p][/quote]what words that then? RABBITS? oldbrock
  • Score: -2

4:22pm Sun 13 Jul 14

oldbrock says...

MONEY=UBER ALLES! our " leader by by stealth" whose party got in by burning a minority party, states that big business comes before the environment, get ready for burning rivers like China
MONEY=UBER ALLES! our " leader by by stealth" whose party got in by burning a minority party, states that big business comes before the environment, get ready for burning rivers like China oldbrock
  • Score: -1

6:18pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Portland Born says...

oldbrock wrote:
MONEY=UBER ALLES! our " leader by by stealth" whose party got in by burning a minority party, states that big business comes before the environment, get ready for burning rivers like China
I think the FURRY things have got you?
[quote][p][bold]oldbrock[/bold] wrote: MONEY=UBER ALLES! our " leader by by stealth" whose party got in by burning a minority party, states that big business comes before the environment, get ready for burning rivers like China[/p][/quote]I think the FURRY things have got you? Portland Born
  • Score: -1

7:26pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Portland Born says...

If the stone was any good down there Gaffer would have had it out.
A lot of top to move for very little return.
Importing French and. Portuguese stone is the future for the masonary. Works. Watch this space !!!!! The future bright the LONG EARS are safe out bill road.
If the stone was any good down there Gaffer would have had it out. A lot of top to move for very little return. Importing French and. Portuguese stone is the future for the masonary. Works. Watch this space !!!!! The future bright the LONG EARS are safe out bill road. Portland Born
  • Score: -2

10:31am Mon 14 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

WykeReg wrote:
MaidofDorset wrote:
How can you 'restore' a big hole in the ground?
I think the Eden Project is a pretty good example of how it's done.
That's reuse not restoration. When its gone its gone.
[quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MaidofDorset[/bold] wrote: How can you 'restore' a big hole in the ground?[/p][/quote]I think the Eden Project is a pretty good example of how it's done.[/p][/quote]That's reuse not restoration. When its gone its gone. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Tue 15 Jul 14

youngpete says...

How on earth has planning permission been granted for an open ended period of time without review??If this was any other kind of planning it would only be valid for a number of years & would then have to be reapplied for.I especially don't see how a company who went bust only 15-20 years ago making all its staff redundant at Christmas manages to continue under the same management,in the same buildings,with the same owner & retaining the same mineral rights.Tim Clockworthy does not give a toss about upsetting anyone,all he is interested in is compensation for a strip of land which has no where near the value they claim it has.Give all rights to a company who has the islands best interests at heart while still going about their business "Albion Stone"
How on earth has planning permission been granted for an open ended period of time without review??If this was any other kind of planning it would only be valid for a number of years & would then have to be reapplied for.I especially don't see how a company who went bust only 15-20 years ago making all its staff redundant at Christmas manages to continue under the same management,in the same buildings,with the same owner & retaining the same mineral rights.Tim Clockworthy does not give a toss about upsetting anyone,all he is interested in is compensation for a strip of land which has no where near the value they claim it has.Give all rights to a company who has the islands best interests at heart while still going about their business "Albion Stone" youngpete
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Tue 15 Jul 14

dicedice says...

what Rubble!!! Portland is Rubble by site and mass!!
what Rubble!!! Portland is Rubble by site and mass!! dicedice
  • Score: -3

1:54pm Tue 15 Jul 14

dicedice says...

Portland Born wrote:
Please Never mention the R word
Thankyou
What Rubble!! Portland is Rubble by site and mass!!
[quote][p][bold]Portland Born[/bold] wrote: Please Never mention the R word Thankyou[/p][/quote]What Rubble!! Portland is Rubble by site and mass!! dicedice
  • Score: -2

8:16pm Tue 15 Jul 14

nobby43 says...

youngpete wrote:
How on earth has planning permission been granted for an open ended period of time without review??If this was any other kind of planning it would only be valid for a number of years & would then have to be reapplied for.I especially don't see how a company who went bust only 15-20 years ago making all its staff redundant at Christmas manages to continue under the same management,in the same buildings,with the same owner & retaining the same mineral rights.Tim Clockworthy does not give a toss about upsetting anyone,all he is interested in is compensation for a strip of land which has no where near the value they claim it has.Give all rights to a company who has the islands best interests at heart while still going about their business "Albion Stone"
How on earth has planning permission been granted for an open ended period of time without review??If this was any other kind of planning it would only be valid for a number of years & would then have to be reapplied for.I especially don't see how a company who went bust only 15-20 years ago making all its staff redundant at Christmas manages to continue under the same management,in the same buildings,with the same owner & retaining the same mineral rights.Tim Clockworthy does not give a toss about upsetting anyone,all he is interested in is compensation for a strip of land which has no where near the value they claim it has.Give all rights to a company who has the islands best interests at heart while still going about their business "Albion Stone
[quote][p][bold]youngpete[/bold] wrote: How on earth has planning permission been granted for an open ended period of time without review??If this was any other kind of planning it would only be valid for a number of years & would then have to be reapplied for.I especially don't see how a company who went bust only 15-20 years ago making all its staff redundant at Christmas manages to continue under the same management,in the same buildings,with the same owner & retaining the same mineral rights.Tim Clockworthy does not give a toss about upsetting anyone,all he is interested in is compensation for a strip of land which has no where near the value they claim it has.Give all rights to a company who has the islands best interests at heart while still going about their business "Albion Stone"[/p][/quote]How on earth has planning permission been granted for an open ended period of time without review??If this was any other kind of planning it would only be valid for a number of years & would then have to be reapplied for.I especially don't see how a company who went bust only 15-20 years ago making all its staff redundant at Christmas manages to continue under the same management,in the same buildings,with the same owner & retaining the same mineral rights.Tim Clockworthy does not give a toss about upsetting anyone,all he is interested in is compensation for a strip of land which has no where near the value they claim it has.Give all rights to a company who has the islands best interests at heart while still going about their business "Albion Stone nobby43
  • Score: -1

8:29pm Tue 15 Jul 14

nobby43 says...

Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm
s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently.
Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently. nobby43
  • Score: 3

9:09am Wed 16 Jul 14

Foursite says...

nobby43 wrote:
Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm

s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently.
It is Geoff Smiths land where all this contaminated horse bedding is dumped. DCC or W&P's refusal to take action against either of them looks decidedly suspect. Both these businesses should get rid of their rubbish responsibly.
No doubt the perpetrators of such a crime will be on the council soon.
[quote][p][bold]nobby43[/bold] wrote: Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently.[/p][/quote]It is Geoff Smiths land where all this contaminated horse bedding is dumped. DCC or W&P's refusal to take action against either of them looks decidedly suspect. Both these businesses should get rid of their rubbish responsibly. No doubt the perpetrators of such a crime will be on the council soon. Foursite
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10:46am Wed 16 Jul 14

Tillydog says...

nobby43 wrote:
Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm

s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently.
It appears Geoffrey Smith is the dogs body wheeled out to try and save the company a few quid in court cases nobby43, They do have a criminal record now and needs compo to pay off the fines.
Dog bless Longstone Ope and Godnor.
http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/1114934
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[quote][p][bold]nobby43[/bold] wrote: Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently.[/p][/quote]It appears Geoffrey Smith is the dogs body wheeled out to try and save the company a few quid in court cases nobby43, They do have a criminal record now and needs compo to pay off the fines. Dog bless Longstone Ope and Godnor. http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1114934 3.Portland_Stone_Fir ms_to_pay_nearly___4 0k_after_an_employee _falls_through_a_roo f/?ref=mr Tillydog
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10:56am Wed 16 Jul 14

jamesnan says...

FYI Horse bedding is not contaminated and is bio-degradable , I'm pretty sure Windmill's Stable have the owners permission to dispose of it where they do.
Also these comments have nothing to do with the case in point ie the tearing up of the Coastal Strip.
FYI Horse bedding is not contaminated and is bio-degradable , I'm pretty sure Windmill's Stable have the owners permission to dispose of it where they do. Also these comments have nothing to do with the case in point ie the tearing up of the Coastal Strip. jamesnan
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12:04pm Wed 16 Jul 14

IslandJim1 says...

Tillydog wrote:
nobby43 wrote:
Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm


s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently.
It appears Geoffrey Smith is the dogs body wheeled out to try and save the company a few quid in court cases nobby43, They do have a criminal record now and needs compo to pay off the fines.
Dog bless Longstone Ope and Godnor.
http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/1114934

3.Portland_Stone_Fir

ms_to_pay_nearly___4

0k_after_an_employee

_falls_through_a_roo

f/?ref=mr
Not quite right. Geoff Smith is the owner/managing director. Tim is the estate manager...this is an estate issue, that is why Mr Smith is not part of the storey.
It my understanding that Stone Firms don't want to quarry this area, neither are they allowed under new law's of conservation and Jurassic coast, as another comment says above, if the stone was any good it would have gone already...Its WPBC that are trying to prove that it can be accessed and quarried should Stone Firms choose to, to avoid paying Stone Firms damages for loss of assets. WPBC should have voided the permission years ago, along with others round the island that were post war attempts to provide emplyment and bolster the ecomnomy, so this whole mess could be avoided
[quote][p][bold]Tillydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nobby43[/bold] wrote: Whats going on? Geoff Smith ain't been mentioned yet :) not even here, http://www.stonefirm s.com/about-us/ They could restore any excavations with thousands of tonnes of contaminated horse bedding. Just like Windmill Stables have dumped in Coombefield South recently.[/p][/quote]It appears Geoffrey Smith is the dogs body wheeled out to try and save the company a few quid in court cases nobby43, They do have a criminal record now and needs compo to pay off the fines. Dog bless Longstone Ope and Godnor. http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1114934 3.Portland_Stone_Fir ms_to_pay_nearly___4 0k_after_an_employee _falls_through_a_roo f/?ref=mr[/p][/quote]Not quite right. Geoff Smith is the owner/managing director. Tim is the estate manager...this is an estate issue, that is why Mr Smith is not part of the storey. It my understanding that Stone Firms don't want to quarry this area, neither are they allowed under new law's of conservation and Jurassic coast, as another comment says above, if the stone was any good it would have gone already...Its WPBC that are trying to prove that it can be accessed and quarried should Stone Firms choose to, to avoid paying Stone Firms damages for loss of assets. WPBC should have voided the permission years ago, along with others round the island that were post war attempts to provide emplyment and bolster the ecomnomy, so this whole mess could be avoided IslandJim1
  • Score: 3

7:36am Thu 17 Jul 14

Rocksalt says...

jamesnan wrote:
FYI Horse bedding is not contaminated and is bio-degradable , I'm pretty sure Windmill's Stable have the owners permission to dispose of it where they do.
Also these comments have nothing to do with the case in point ie the tearing up of the Coastal Strip.
Horse waste bedding/ manure is a controlled waste and is subject to the Environmental Permitting Regulations. Doubtless the stable has permission, albeit running a stable on an island with no bridal paths one might be forgiven for raising the question.
[quote][p][bold]jamesnan[/bold] wrote: FYI Horse bedding is not contaminated and is bio-degradable , I'm pretty sure Windmill's Stable have the owners permission to dispose of it where they do. Also these comments have nothing to do with the case in point ie the tearing up of the Coastal Strip.[/p][/quote]Horse waste bedding/ manure is a controlled waste and is subject to the Environmental Permitting Regulations. Doubtless the stable has permission, albeit running a stable on an island with no bridal paths one might be forgiven for raising the question. Rocksalt
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4:47pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bob Goulding says...

Rocksalt wrote:
jamesnan wrote:
FYI Horse bedding is not contaminated and is bio-degradable , I'm pretty sure Windmill's Stable have the owners permission to dispose of it where they do.
Also these comments have nothing to do with the case in point ie the tearing up of the Coastal Strip.
Horse waste bedding/ manure is a controlled waste and is subject to the Environmental Permitting Regulations. Doubtless the stable has permission, albeit running a stable on an island with no bridal paths one might be forgiven for raising the question.
If the waste is being composted/stored for use as a fertiliser, and there is no risk of run-off entering the watercourse, then there is no problem. If not, it is illegal to dispose of the waste in this way, with or without the disposal site owners permission. Sad but true.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamesnan[/bold] wrote: FYI Horse bedding is not contaminated and is bio-degradable , I'm pretty sure Windmill's Stable have the owners permission to dispose of it where they do. Also these comments have nothing to do with the case in point ie the tearing up of the Coastal Strip.[/p][/quote]Horse waste bedding/ manure is a controlled waste and is subject to the Environmental Permitting Regulations. Doubtless the stable has permission, albeit running a stable on an island with no bridal paths one might be forgiven for raising the question.[/p][/quote]If the waste is being composted/stored for use as a fertiliser, and there is no risk of run-off entering the watercourse, then there is no problem. If not, it is illegal to dispose of the waste in this way, with or without the disposal site owners permission. Sad but true. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 0

10:15am Thu 24 Jul 14

rumblemumble says...

Both stone companies are giving the economy and Portland a much needed boost which is not a bad thing considering the current 'recession' we are in. For all those that can't believe they can quarry the coastal area it has been on the cards since Hansons's days on the Island and apart of a minerals plan widely avaiable. Hence not buying a house in Southwell! They are both in it to keep jobs going and make money as businesses, I doubt any owner would carry on if they didn't in any workplace. Nobby 43 makes me chuckle with Albion stone's 'best interests' for the island, mining is their only option left to them, don't see any more open cast quarries they can rent from the crown! Nor did they mine the one out back of Easton. I wonder if the 'restoration' of this will be by abandonment? Either way we will all need as much stone as possible to rebuild hadrians wall soon!
Both stone companies are giving the economy and Portland a much needed boost which is not a bad thing considering the current 'recession' we are in. For all those that can't believe they can quarry the coastal area it has been on the cards since Hansons's days on the Island and apart of a minerals plan widely avaiable. Hence not buying a house in Southwell! They are both in it to keep jobs going and make money as businesses, I doubt any owner would carry on if they didn't in any workplace. Nobby 43 makes me chuckle with Albion stone's 'best interests' for the island, mining is their only option left to them, don't see any more open cast quarries they can rent from the crown! Nor did they mine the one out back of Easton. I wonder if the 'restoration' of this will be by abandonment? Either way we will all need as much stone as possible to rebuild hadrians wall soon! rumblemumble
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