Row breaks out over 'screaming' children playing in fountain

BATTLE GROUND: Brewery Square fountains

CONTROVERSIAL: The new sign

'EXPERIMENTING' Andrew Wadsworth defends the decision to alter Brewery Square fountains

First published in News Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

ANGRY parents in Dorchester have hit out at Brewery Square bosses in a row over ‘shrieking’ children playing in the fountain.

Scores of people posted their concerns online after it became apparent that the 37 jet fountain had been ‘turned down’ in recent weeks.

Families and visitors have been enjoying the fountain in the sunny weather, but some businesses and residents in the area haven’t been too pleased with the noise levels.

Signs around the urban regeneration project were erected to urge visitors and parents that ‘playing and laughing is OK. Screaming is not’.

Andrew Wadsworth, director of Waterhouse, which is developing the site in partnership with Resolution Property, told the Echo that numbers of complaints had been made by businesses and residents due to the ‘continuous screaming of children’.

While the fountain has been turned down recently, he said it is just part of an experiment to work out the best fountain programme to use in order to please visitors, businesses and residents.

He said: “We are just experimenting with the different programmes that the fountain can work on. It was turned down but this week we will be turning it back up to experiment with that setting.

“It can have a very active programme or a much more moderate level.

“The problem began a couple of weeks ago when we had a number of complaints from residents and businesses about the continuous screaming of children playing in the fountain.

“If you are working there or living there, all they can hear is shrieking children.”

He added: “Many of us are parents and know what it is like to be children but we want to work it so residents, business and the public can all be happy with the setting.”

Parents and visitors took to the Brewery Square Facebook page, where an online debate was sparked over the issue.

Resident Maggs Edwards posted: “Don’t the people that are complaining remember being young and having fun? Obviously not.”

Richard Gossage said: “No one wants a white elephant with empty shops and restaurants. You are obviously an intelligent company and I have supported your comments in the past but I really think you have it wrong here.”

Kayie Hathaway added: “I guess it’s better than being turned off.”

Kelly Rich posted: “My children no longer want to go there since the fountains have been turned down. It’s such a shame because it’s so much fun.”

The cost of running the fountain is part of the service charge, mostly by the commercial units in Brewery Square.

The online debate continued between a spokesman of the site and angry parents for more than 50 comments.

  • TRANSFORMING 11 acres of the former Eldridge Pope Brewery in Dorchester’s town centre, the £100 million mixed-use Brewery Square scheme, by urban regeneration specialists Waterhouse & Resolution Property, is the largest town centre regeneration in the South West.

It includes a number of leading name restaurants, shops and an Odeon Cinema.

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10:45am Wed 6 Aug 14

unexpected error says...

I'm glad it's not just me who doesn't find children screaming at the tops of their voices unacceptable. Living very close to a playground (installed after I moved in, just in case anyone says it's my own fault!) I am fed up with the noise of screaming children and the selfish parents who don't teach their children some respect for others. Children laughing, giggling having fun is one thing but continual screaming is another. Come on parents, show a bit of consideration for others and tell your kids to pipe down a bit.
I'm glad it's not just me who doesn't find children screaming at the tops of their voices unacceptable. Living very close to a playground (installed after I moved in, just in case anyone says it's my own fault!) I am fed up with the noise of screaming children and the selfish parents who don't teach their children some respect for others. Children laughing, giggling having fun is one thing but continual screaming is another. Come on parents, show a bit of consideration for others and tell your kids to pipe down a bit. unexpected error
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10:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

banger999 says...

Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.
Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should. banger999
  • Score: -65

10:56am Wed 6 Aug 14

unexpected error says...

banger999 wrote:
Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.
Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day!
[quote][p][bold]banger999[/bold] wrote: Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.[/p][/quote]Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day! unexpected error
  • Score: 90

11:26am Wed 6 Aug 14

siratb says...

As a parent, I get fed up with shrieking children too, believe me! But these kids are shrieking with delight and having fun, and I challenge anyone to "teach children not to shriek when they are having fun". I have tried it many times and it is frankly not possible (unless we go back to the early 1900's when "children should be seen and not heard", but that will require re-introduction of caning at school and home beatings which I am sure most would disagree with).

Why not let them enjoy themselves though. Most of the time I have been there the shops have been virtually empty, so I think that BS should do more to attract people and make people feel wanted there or else the few that do go will soon go somewhere else.
As a parent, I get fed up with shrieking children too, believe me! But these kids are shrieking with delight and having fun, and I challenge anyone to "teach children not to shriek when they are having fun". I have tried it many times and it is frankly not possible (unless we go back to the early 1900's when "children should be seen and not heard", but that will require re-introduction of caning at school and home beatings which I am sure most would disagree with). Why not let them enjoy themselves though. Most of the time I have been there the shops have been virtually empty, so I think that BS should do more to attract people and make people feel wanted there or else the few that do go will soon go somewhere else. siratb
  • Score: -10

12:31pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Rocksalt says...

I suspect that the reality is that if the children and their parents spend enough money to offset the loss of any business then the BS managers will live with the screaming. If not, then they will vote with their wallets given that they fund the service charge
I suspect that the reality is that if the children and their parents spend enough money to offset the loss of any business then the BS managers will live with the screaming. If not, then they will vote with their wallets given that they fund the service charge Rocksalt
  • Score: -5

12:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Galliano 1 says...

Thanks Emma for writing this article!
It has been fabulous summer! We have all been hot and the windows of our homes have been wide open.
Brewery Square is a fabulous place to live! The links with rail and road could not be better.
The row I predicted!
Brewery Square have actively encouraged children to play in the fountains from the very beginning. However, they can never have imagined that hoards of families would fill the square and set up camp as if it were a day at the seaside!
The fountains are not a children's play park, and there are no facilities such as toilets or shade.
Parents of young children do have to entertain their little ones, and a play in the fountains is fun, but a bit more respect to the residents and businesses should be observed.
The local pub Brewhouse & Kitchen actively clears their beer garden at 10pm to try and reduce noise to residents from cheerful drinkers.
Many residents of the retirement flats, love living near an active part of Dorchester, perhaps a bit more consideration from visitors to Brewery Square is all that is needed!
Thanks Emma for writing this article! It has been fabulous summer! We have all been hot and the windows of our homes have been wide open. Brewery Square is a fabulous place to live! The links with rail and road could not be better. The row I predicted! Brewery Square have actively encouraged children to play in the fountains from the very beginning. However, they can never have imagined that hoards of families would fill the square and set up camp as if it were a day at the seaside! The fountains are not a children's play park, and there are no facilities such as toilets or shade. Parents of young children do have to entertain their little ones, and a play in the fountains is fun, but a bit more respect to the residents and businesses should be observed. The local pub Brewhouse & Kitchen actively clears their beer garden at 10pm to try and reduce noise to residents from cheerful drinkers. Many residents of the retirement flats, love living near an active part of Dorchester, perhaps a bit more consideration from visitors to Brewery Square is all that is needed! Galliano 1
  • Score: 134

12:45pm Wed 6 Aug 14

monkeydog says...

There's a place for children and, generally, it's not where I am. But! These children are obvioulsy screaming with delight at running through fountain. Leave them alone to enjoy themselves. Life in this society is bad enough without all the misery and complaining and restricting of young lives.
There's a place for children and, generally, it's not where I am. But! These children are obvioulsy screaming with delight at running through fountain. Leave them alone to enjoy themselves. Life in this society is bad enough without all the misery and complaining and restricting of young lives. monkeydog
  • Score: -14

12:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

CoogarUK.com says...

I am just an old fogey but to be honest am surprised a row such as this has taken so long to surface.

Brewery Square - with its 'posh' shops & restaurants - is not the sort of place crowds of screaming, half-naked children would normally be expected to be seen, nor encouraged to congregate.
I am just an old fogey but to be honest am surprised a row such as this has taken so long to surface. Brewery Square - with its 'posh' shops & restaurants - is not the sort of place crowds of screaming, half-naked children would normally be expected to be seen, nor encouraged to congregate. CoogarUK.com
  • Score: 49

12:55pm Wed 6 Aug 14

whatever66 says...

Take your kids weston super mare they dont moan there plus there is loads more to do with your kids x
Take your kids weston super mare they dont moan there plus there is loads more to do with your kids x whatever66
  • Score: 16

1:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

mr commonsense says...

Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.
Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace. mr commonsense
  • Score: 39

1:35pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Goldman says...

Talk about Victorian values where children should be seen and not heard. Get a grip, these children are playing and enjoying themselves and not stuck behind TV screens. I bet you lot were not aloud to have fun when you were kids. I know I going to get negative marks but that just shows your small minded pettiness.
Talk about Victorian values where children should be seen and not heard. Get a grip, these children are playing and enjoying themselves and not stuck behind TV screens. I bet you lot were not aloud to have fun when you were kids. I know I going to get negative marks but that just shows your small minded pettiness. Goldman
  • Score: -22

2:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

JoeyJo says...

The summer is very short, let them enjoy themselves while they can.
The summer is very short, let them enjoy themselves while they can. JoeyJo
  • Score: 8

2:35pm Wed 6 Aug 14

peskykat says...

Take them down to Weymouth Beach - there are lots of children down there and they can have fun , enjoy their selves with out upsetting everybody around them , at the end of the day it is down to the parent, carer , etc to make sure children are well behaved in shopping centre's etc .
Take them down to Weymouth Beach - there are lots of children down there and they can have fun , enjoy their selves with out upsetting everybody around them , at the end of the day it is down to the parent, carer , etc to make sure children are well behaved in shopping centre's etc . peskykat
  • Score: 57

2:53pm Wed 6 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Comes down to a basic lack of consideration for others a traditional value clearly no longer passed down by the parent(s) nothing worse than screaming poorly behaved children a sign of these times sadly.
Comes down to a basic lack of consideration for others a traditional value clearly no longer passed down by the parent(s) nothing worse than screaming poorly behaved children a sign of these times sadly. cj07589
  • Score: 70

2:55pm Wed 6 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

monkeydog wrote:
There's a place for children and, generally, it's not where I am. But! These children are obvioulsy screaming with delight at running through fountain. Leave them alone to enjoy themselves. Life in this society is bad enough without all the misery and complaining and restricting of young lives.
I don't think considering others is too much too ask is it? After all we all need to share the same space.
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: There's a place for children and, generally, it's not where I am. But! These children are obvioulsy screaming with delight at running through fountain. Leave them alone to enjoy themselves. Life in this society is bad enough without all the misery and complaining and restricting of young lives.[/p][/quote]I don't think considering others is too much too ask is it? After all we all need to share the same space. cj07589
  • Score: 48

3:30pm Wed 6 Aug 14

LeonElliott says...

It's always comforting to know that at a time of civil unrest in the Middle East; growing conflicts in North Africa; heightened warfare in the Gaza strip; and the biggest Ebola scare in decades, that our biggest concern is children having too much fun.
It's always comforting to know that at a time of civil unrest in the Middle East; growing conflicts in North Africa; heightened warfare in the Gaza strip; and the biggest Ebola scare in decades, that our biggest concern is children having too much fun. LeonElliott
  • Score: 18

3:33pm Wed 6 Aug 14

mr commonsense says...

Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society. mr commonsense
  • Score: 54

3:46pm Wed 6 Aug 14

banger999 says...

unexpected error wrote:
banger999 wrote:
Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.
Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day!
Yes I do
[quote][p][bold]unexpected error[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banger999[/bold] wrote: Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.[/p][/quote]Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day![/p][/quote]Yes I do banger999
  • Score: 0

4:18pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

peskykat wrote:
Take them down to Weymouth Beach - there are lots of children down there and they can have fun , enjoy their selves with out upsetting everybody around them , at the end of the day it is down to the parent, carer , etc to make sure children are well behaved in shopping centre's etc .
Why don't you take yourself to field in the middle of nowhere
[quote][p][bold]peskykat[/bold] wrote: Take them down to Weymouth Beach - there are lots of children down there and they can have fun , enjoy their selves with out upsetting everybody around them , at the end of the day it is down to the parent, carer , etc to make sure children are well behaved in shopping centre's etc .[/p][/quote]Why don't you take yourself to field in the middle of nowhere Jim4512
  • Score: -48

4:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
You obviously have no manners or consideration yourself as your attitude is that if you don't like no one else should.
[quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]You obviously have no manners or consideration yourself as your attitude is that if you don't like no one else should. Jim4512
  • Score: -35

4:32pm Wed 6 Aug 14

islandman says...

Children scream in swimming pools, bouncy castles, trampolines etc, oh flippin dear, which should we ban ? children or the things that give them pleasure.
Children scream in swimming pools, bouncy castles, trampolines etc, oh flippin dear, which should we ban ? children or the things that give them pleasure. islandman
  • Score: -20

4:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
[quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 43

4:46pm Wed 6 Aug 14

jmc1 says...

unexpected error wrote:
banger999 wrote:
Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.
Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day!
Bet you don't either
[quote][p][bold]unexpected error[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banger999[/bold] wrote: Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.[/p][/quote]Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day![/p][/quote]Bet you don't either jmc1
  • Score: -12

4:56pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Badger200 says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
Why not have some consideration for the parents that can't afford to take their children on expensive days out and let them have some fun.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]Why not have some consideration for the parents that can't afford to take their children on expensive days out and let them have some fun. Badger200
  • Score: -23

4:56pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

Your all just a bunch of boring old gits. I don't know if you know but the year is 2014 not 1954. If you don't like it go live somewhere else. If residents don't like noise they should not of moved into an apartment block in the middle of town, which is also next to the police station. Next you'll be saying the sirens are to loud or the giant TV screen above the fountains is to bright.
Your all just a bunch of boring old gits. I don't know if you know but the year is 2014 not 1954. If you don't like it go live somewhere else. If residents don't like noise they should not of moved into an apartment block in the middle of town, which is also next to the police station. Next you'll be saying the sirens are to loud or the giant TV screen above the fountains is to bright. Jim4512
  • Score: -33

5:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Agniesca says...

I avoid places where there are screaming children, unless ti's on Weymouth beach or a designated play area; many others do the same
I avoid places where there are screaming children, unless ti's on Weymouth beach or a designated play area; many others do the same Agniesca
  • Score: 40

5:36pm Wed 6 Aug 14

WykeReg says...

Jim4512 wrote:
Your all just a bunch of boring old gits. I don't know if you know but the year is 2014 not 1954. If you don't like it go live somewhere else. If residents don't like noise they should not of moved into an apartment block in the middle of town, which is also next to the police station. Next you'll be saying the sirens are to loud or the giant TV screen above the fountains is to bright.
Being a boring old git is something I'm immensely proud of. Whatever the year, a right royal pain in the neck always hurts the same.

Time was, children were seen but not heard. Now they're obscene and heard too dang much.
[quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: Your all just a bunch of boring old gits. I don't know if you know but the year is 2014 not 1954. If you don't like it go live somewhere else. If residents don't like noise they should not of moved into an apartment block in the middle of town, which is also next to the police station. Next you'll be saying the sirens are to loud or the giant TV screen above the fountains is to bright.[/p][/quote]Being a boring old git is something I'm immensely proud of. Whatever the year, a right royal pain in the neck always hurts the same. Time was, children were seen but not heard. Now they're obscene and heard too dang much. WykeReg
  • Score: 43

5:46pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

WykeReg wrote:
Jim4512 wrote:
Your all just a bunch of boring old gits. I don't know if you know but the year is 2014 not 1954. If you don't like it go live somewhere else. If residents don't like noise they should not of moved into an apartment block in the middle of town, which is also next to the police station. Next you'll be saying the sirens are to loud or the giant TV screen above the fountains is to bright.
Being a boring old git is something I'm immensely proud of. Whatever the year, a right royal pain in the neck always hurts the same.

Time was, children were seen but not heard. Now they're obscene and heard too dang much.
well you be proud of yourself. Stop living in the past with children should be seen and not heard nonsense. Pain in the necks are treated a lot easier in this modern age we can buy over the counter medicines such as paracetamol and ibuprofen these are good.
[quote][p][bold]WykeReg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: Your all just a bunch of boring old gits. I don't know if you know but the year is 2014 not 1954. If you don't like it go live somewhere else. If residents don't like noise they should not of moved into an apartment block in the middle of town, which is also next to the police station. Next you'll be saying the sirens are to loud or the giant TV screen above the fountains is to bright.[/p][/quote]Being a boring old git is something I'm immensely proud of. Whatever the year, a right royal pain in the neck always hurts the same. Time was, children were seen but not heard. Now they're obscene and heard too dang much.[/p][/quote]well you be proud of yourself. Stop living in the past with children should be seen and not heard nonsense. Pain in the necks are treated a lot easier in this modern age we can buy over the counter medicines such as paracetamol and ibuprofen these are good. Jim4512
  • Score: -44

5:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Hemlock Sholmes says...

What rot for you poor persons in your new town centre apartments and businesses. Since I moved into the pad here in Baker street, I too have complained about those noisy buses and taxis out in the road. Don't they know who I am!
What rot for you poor persons in your new town centre apartments and businesses. Since I moved into the pad here in Baker street, I too have complained about those noisy buses and taxis out in the road. Don't they know who I am! Hemlock Sholmes
  • Score: -20

6:38pm Wed 6 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

holy mother of God, the Ministry for the Abolition of Fun strikes again.

I don't know if some of the opinions expressed here are actually satirical personas that people have adopted to sound like a ridiculous old **** of the kind that traditionally used to write to the Daily Telegraph complaining about "kids today" and everything else that happened since the 1940s (including Europe, of course), but I honestly can't believe that people as grumpy and miserable as many of those who've commented on this story do actually still exist.

Well, actually I can, since moaning to the papers has always been one of the very few ways that miserable misanthropes who find very little enjoyment in life to relieve some of the dreariness of their sour and gloomy little lives.
holy mother of God, the Ministry for the Abolition of Fun strikes again. I don't know if some of the opinions expressed here are actually satirical personas that people have adopted to sound like a ridiculous old **** of the kind that traditionally used to write to the Daily Telegraph complaining about "kids today" and everything else that happened since the 1940s (including Europe, of course), but I honestly can't believe that people as grumpy and miserable as many of those who've commented on this story do actually still exist. Well, actually I can, since moaning to the papers has always been one of the very few ways that miserable misanthropes who find very little enjoyment in life to relieve some of the dreariness of their sour and gloomy little lives. arlbergbahn
  • Score: -37

6:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

The word "****" is not permitted by the Dorset Echo's language police? it's a fine old Anglo-Saxon* word for the relief of trapped wind.

* well, probably not
The word "****" is not permitted by the Dorset Echo's language police? it's a fine old Anglo-Saxon* word for the relief of trapped wind. * well, probably not arlbergbahn
  • Score: -6

6:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

monkeydog says...

cj07589 wrote:
Comes down to a basic lack of consideration for others a traditional value clearly no longer passed down by the parent(s) nothing worse than screaming poorly behaved children a sign of these times sadly.
Children generally make a lot of noise when they are having fun and water heightens the pleasure. Put a hot day, water and children together and this is what you get. It's a fact of life and a good one. And if you think it was better in the fifties your memory is deceiving you. Maybe you prefer an even older time when the children were down the mines or up chimnies.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: Comes down to a basic lack of consideration for others a traditional value clearly no longer passed down by the parent(s) nothing worse than screaming poorly behaved children a sign of these times sadly.[/p][/quote]Children generally make a lot of noise when they are having fun and water heightens the pleasure. Put a hot day, water and children together and this is what you get. It's a fact of life and a good one. And if you think it was better in the fifties your memory is deceiving you. Maybe you prefer an even older time when the children were down the mines or up chimnies. monkeydog
  • Score: 1

7:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
[quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -13

7:12pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
holy mother of God, the Ministry for the Abolition of Fun strikes again.

I don't know if some of the opinions expressed here are actually satirical personas that people have adopted to sound like a ridiculous old **** of the kind that traditionally used to write to the Daily Telegraph complaining about "kids today" and everything else that happened since the 1940s (including Europe, of course), but I honestly can't believe that people as grumpy and miserable as many of those who've commented on this story do actually still exist.

Well, actually I can, since moaning to the papers has always been one of the very few ways that miserable misanthropes who find very little enjoyment in life to relieve some of the dreariness of their sour and gloomy little lives.
I thought it was just weymouth, but apparently after creating the new world order with everybody's tax money, there's no end of miserable gits in Dorchester as well. I think the fountain should be commandeered specifically for the children under the ruling that facilities be provided for them by population density.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: holy mother of God, the Ministry for the Abolition of Fun strikes again. I don't know if some of the opinions expressed here are actually satirical personas that people have adopted to sound like a ridiculous old **** of the kind that traditionally used to write to the Daily Telegraph complaining about "kids today" and everything else that happened since the 1940s (including Europe, of course), but I honestly can't believe that people as grumpy and miserable as many of those who've commented on this story do actually still exist. Well, actually I can, since moaning to the papers has always been one of the very few ways that miserable misanthropes who find very little enjoyment in life to relieve some of the dreariness of their sour and gloomy little lives.[/p][/quote]I thought it was just weymouth, but apparently after creating the new world order with everybody's tax money, there's no end of miserable gits in Dorchester as well. I think the fountain should be commandeered specifically for the children under the ruling that facilities be provided for them by population density. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -13

7:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

mr commonsense wrote:
Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.
Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.
[quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.[/p][/quote]Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -23

7:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Dorsetvanman says...

Its easilly fixed!. Just put the fountains on atimer and perhaps have them on for an hour, 4 or 6 times a day on full power. Then it allows quiet times and play times. It also allows parents to pull their children away!. Its not rocket science is it.
Its easilly fixed!. Just put the fountains on atimer and perhaps have them on for an hour, 4 or 6 times a day on full power. Then it allows quiet times and play times. It also allows parents to pull their children away!. Its not rocket science is it. Dorsetvanman
  • Score: 40

8:04pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Equilibrium says...

Get a grip. It's only a couple of months a year. Try getting out of your apartments for a bit and enjoy the sun. Plus, you did chose to live in a town center development with a large fountain that children will obviously play in. That sign is rude and quite frankly ridiculous. If those businesses want my me to go sit in their restaurants and take my family's money, they can expect my children to play in the fountain when the sun is shining. Pathetic.
Get a grip. It's only a couple of months a year. Try getting out of your apartments for a bit and enjoy the sun. Plus, you did chose to live in a town center development with a large fountain that children will obviously play in. That sign is rude and quite frankly ridiculous. If those businesses want my me to go sit in their restaurants and take my family's money, they can expect my children to play in the fountain when the sun is shining. Pathetic. Equilibrium
  • Score: -21

8:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

unexpected error says...

jmc1 wrote:
unexpected error wrote:
banger999 wrote:
Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.
Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day!
Bet you don't either
How I wish you were right am I am just making it up.
[quote][p][bold]jmc1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]unexpected error[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banger999[/bold] wrote: Children screaming while playing is a shrill of delight, let them enjoy them selves as children should.[/p][/quote]Bet you don't have to listen to it 8 hours a day![/p][/quote]Bet you don't either[/p][/quote]How I wish you were right am I am just making it up. unexpected error
  • Score: -3

8:35pm Wed 6 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

CoogarUK.com wrote:
I am just an old fogey but to be honest am surprised a row such as this has taken so long to surface.

Brewery Square - with its 'posh' shops & restaurants - is not the sort of place crowds of screaming, half-naked children would normally be expected to be seen, nor encouraged to congregate.
All the more reason to throng the place with screaming, half-naked children, to annoy the pompous old ********* who frequent "posh" shops and ludicruously overpriced Restaurants. If they annoy Foodies while they're at it, so much the better.
[quote][p][bold]CoogarUK.com[/bold] wrote: I am just an old fogey but to be honest am surprised a row such as this has taken so long to surface. Brewery Square - with its 'posh' shops & restaurants - is not the sort of place crowds of screaming, half-naked children would normally be expected to be seen, nor encouraged to congregate.[/p][/quote]All the more reason to throng the place with screaming, half-naked children, to annoy the pompous old ********* who frequent "posh" shops and ludicruously overpriced Restaurants. If they annoy Foodies while they're at it, so much the better. arlbergbahn
  • Score: -33

8:45pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Rocksalt says...

As I implied earlier, many of the views expressed here are academic. If the businesses who pay the service charge think the noise loses them custom they will do something about it, get the fountains turned off, or whatever.
As I implied earlier, many of the views expressed here are academic. If the businesses who pay the service charge think the noise loses them custom they will do something about it, get the fountains turned off, or whatever. Rocksalt
  • Score: 21

9:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

JedStorm says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
DCC money?
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.[/p][/quote]DCC money? JedStorm
  • Score: -7

9:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

twizzlemonster says...

Surely when you move to an area you consider not only the accommodation but the environment you will be moving to as well. If I want peace and quiet I would not move to the centre of town. The fountains were always going to an focal point... the artistic impression of the finished development clearly shows children at play with parents watching. If they were intended to be admired from the side then why are they switched off and replaced with the ice skating activity in the winter. It is a community space which attracts people to the shopping area and eateries alike. We often eat at Zizzi's, not because the food is better than Carluccios (its not) but because we enjoy watching the kids play, and I wouldn't have set foot in many of the current stores were it not for our regular jaunts to play in the water. Ergo I do not believe the increased footfall generated by the attraction has a detrimental effect on businesses
As for the complaining residents, might I suggest those in the retirement blocks turn down their hearing aids. Those who can't, well why in heavens name did you move next to the station. The trains that regularly pull in and out of Dorchester South are among the screechiest (apologies of this is not actually a word) I have ever heard. Coupled with the police station this was never going to be a tranquil idyll.
As far as the irresponsible parents go, most of us ensure children don't scream incessantly, granted a few couldn't give a monkey's but you will encounter them wherever you go.
Surely when you move to an area you consider not only the accommodation but the environment you will be moving to as well. If I want peace and quiet I would not move to the centre of town. The fountains were always going to an focal point... the artistic impression of the finished development clearly shows children at play with parents watching. If they were intended to be admired from the side then why are they switched off and replaced with the ice skating activity in the winter. It is a community space which attracts people to the shopping area and eateries alike. We often eat at Zizzi's, not because the food is better than Carluccios (its not) but because we enjoy watching the kids play, and I wouldn't have set foot in many of the current stores were it not for our regular jaunts to play in the water. Ergo I do not believe the increased footfall generated by the attraction has a detrimental effect on businesses As for the complaining residents, might I suggest those in the retirement blocks turn down their hearing aids. Those who can't, well why in heavens name did you move next to the station. The trains that regularly pull in and out of Dorchester South are among the screechiest (apologies of this is not actually a word) I have ever heard. Coupled with the police station this was never going to be a tranquil idyll. As far as the irresponsible parents go, most of us ensure children don't scream incessantly, granted a few couldn't give a monkey's but you will encounter them wherever you go. twizzlemonster
  • Score: -5

11:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

portlandresident says...

Look, for crying out loud..... Developers, if you build it, they will come! Simple! If you don't want people playing in it, don't bloomin' build it!
Look, for crying out loud..... Developers, if you build it, they will come! Simple! If you don't want people playing in it, don't bloomin' build it! portlandresident
  • Score: -8

11:10pm Wed 6 Aug 14

sweetdreamgirl says...

I find it quite astonishing that parents think its fine for kids to scream on and on they are the ones who sit with their pals ignoring the kids and letting them do whatever they like,I've seen it oftenthry think everyone should tolerate their kids,I've had children and I always taught them that yelling and screaming was not acceptable,they understood and today are considerate adults.Take em to the park or beach where they can let off steam.
I find it quite astonishing that parents think its fine for kids to scream on and on they are the ones who sit with their pals ignoring the kids and letting them do whatever they like,I've seen it oftenthry think everyone should tolerate their kids,I've had children and I always taught them that yelling and screaming was not acceptable,they understood and today are considerate adults.Take em to the park or beach where they can let off steam. sweetdreamgirl
  • Score: 31

7:09am Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.
Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.
It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic!
I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated.
If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.[/p][/quote]Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.[/p][/quote]It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic! I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated. If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly. cj07589
  • Score: 34

7:12am Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Apologies amendment to above 'they do NOT attract'
Apologies amendment to above 'they do NOT attract' cj07589
  • Score: 8

7:24am Thu 7 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

Maybe they should set a few days aside a week for oaps so that they can play in the fountain without the kids. That way everyone is happy!! If old people in Dorchester can be happy.
Maybe they should set a few days aside a week for oaps so that they can play in the fountain without the kids. That way everyone is happy!! If old people in Dorchester can be happy. Jim4512
  • Score: -2

8:55am Thu 7 Aug 14

siratb says...

OK, turn off the fountain, fine by me. Then I won't have to bother to go there, and therefore I won't bother to buy my expensive shoes in the expensive shoe shop and eat in Nandos. I'll go to Treds in Weymouth and have a burger in The Dorset Burger Company, before going to the beach instead....

I think these businesses are complaining because they are not doing well. Without additional footfall of parents taking their kids to the fountain, then I expect they will do even more badly.
OK, turn off the fountain, fine by me. Then I won't have to bother to go there, and therefore I won't bother to buy my expensive shoes in the expensive shoe shop and eat in Nandos. I'll go to Treds in Weymouth and have a burger in The Dorset Burger Company, before going to the beach instead.... I think these businesses are complaining because they are not doing well. Without additional footfall of parents taking their kids to the fountain, then I expect they will do even more badly. siratb
  • Score: -3

9:17am Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

siratb wrote:
OK, turn off the fountain, fine by me. Then I won't have to bother to go there, and therefore I won't bother to buy my expensive shoes in the expensive shoe shop and eat in Nandos. I'll go to Treds in Weymouth and have a burger in The Dorset Burger Company, before going to the beach instead....

I think these businesses are complaining because they are not doing well. Without additional footfall of parents taking their kids to the fountain, then I expect they will do even more badly.
I'm not sure about that, I take no issue with kids having fun but when the behaviour gets out of hand and the level of shrieking noise becomes irritating as a shopper I'd simply shop elsewhere where the environment is better. So I think trade would be impacted to a certain extent. I think its a shame that as always it's a minority that ruin it for everybody else.
[quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: OK, turn off the fountain, fine by me. Then I won't have to bother to go there, and therefore I won't bother to buy my expensive shoes in the expensive shoe shop and eat in Nandos. I'll go to Treds in Weymouth and have a burger in The Dorset Burger Company, before going to the beach instead.... I think these businesses are complaining because they are not doing well. Without additional footfall of parents taking their kids to the fountain, then I expect they will do even more badly.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure about that, I take no issue with kids having fun but when the behaviour gets out of hand and the level of shrieking noise becomes irritating as a shopper I'd simply shop elsewhere where the environment is better. So I think trade would be impacted to a certain extent. I think its a shame that as always it's a minority that ruin it for everybody else. cj07589
  • Score: 19

9:19am Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
DCC money?
Do you mean our (public) money?
[quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.[/p][/quote]DCC money?[/p][/quote]Do you mean our (public) money? cj07589
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 7 Aug 14

notweymouth says...

don't worry, as soon as one of there little darlings grazes their knee the whole area will be fenced off pending legal action.
don't worry, as soon as one of there little darlings grazes their knee the whole area will be fenced off pending legal action. notweymouth
  • Score: 9

10:26am Thu 7 Aug 14

dorchmum39 says...

I have a 5 year old myself who plays in the fountains as we are passing into town - she does not scream - and still has fun.
However I do question why children in that area is frowned apon when people were actively encoraged to go there to watch the tennis - would the same arguement be happening had Murray made the finals and teher was lots of cheering ?
Also the comments of lets go back to 1950's when children had respect - yes let - then peodos such as jimmy saville and rolf harris can abuse children who had no voice to speak up for themselves !!!!!!! Small minded granny brigade strikes again !
I have a 5 year old myself who plays in the fountains as we are passing into town - she does not scream - and still has fun. However I do question why children in that area is frowned apon when people were actively encoraged to go there to watch the tennis - would the same arguement be happening had Murray made the finals and teher was lots of cheering ? Also the comments of lets go back to 1950's when children had respect - yes let - then peodos such as jimmy saville and rolf harris can abuse children who had no voice to speak up for themselves !!!!!!! Small minded granny brigade strikes again ! dorchmum39
  • Score: -13

11:21am Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

dorchmum39 wrote:
I have a 5 year old myself who plays in the fountains as we are passing into town - she does not scream - and still has fun.
However I do question why children in that area is frowned apon when people were actively encoraged to go there to watch the tennis - would the same arguement be happening had Murray made the finals and teher was lots of cheering ?
Also the comments of lets go back to 1950's when children had respect - yes let - then peodos such as jimmy saville and rolf harris can abuse children who had no voice to speak up for themselves !!!!!!! Small minded granny brigade strikes again !
I don't believe the vast majority of the public, local residents or business owners would have any issue with your daughter enjoying the fountain in fact I think you would find that is the exact intention of having it. Comparing a minority of badly parented children screaming and loudly shrieking against a internationally popular sporting event is hardly comparing apples with apples is it??
The bizarre suggestion that vial sexual deviants all hail from the 1950's is a tenuous spurious argument at best which only infers that you're the one with the small (& naive) mindset to suggest it in the first instance.
[quote][p][bold]dorchmum39[/bold] wrote: I have a 5 year old myself who plays in the fountains as we are passing into town - she does not scream - and still has fun. However I do question why children in that area is frowned apon when people were actively encoraged to go there to watch the tennis - would the same arguement be happening had Murray made the finals and teher was lots of cheering ? Also the comments of lets go back to 1950's when children had respect - yes let - then peodos such as jimmy saville and rolf harris can abuse children who had no voice to speak up for themselves !!!!!!! Small minded granny brigade strikes again ![/p][/quote]I don't believe the vast majority of the public, local residents or business owners would have any issue with your daughter enjoying the fountain in fact I think you would find that is the exact intention of having it. Comparing a minority of badly parented children screaming and loudly shrieking against a internationally popular sporting event is hardly comparing apples with apples is it?? The bizarre suggestion that vial sexual deviants all hail from the 1950's is a tenuous spurious argument at best which only infers that you're the one with the small (& naive) mindset to suggest it in the first instance. cj07589
  • Score: 19

11:33am Thu 7 Aug 14

WykeReg says...

In case I gave the wrong impression in my earlier post let me state that I love children - but I couldn't eat a whole one.
In case I gave the wrong impression in my earlier post let me state that I love children - but I couldn't eat a whole one. WykeReg
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Cromy says...

I personally believe that when people honestly look back at thier lives as children, they may have different opinions about 'screaming children'. They are at least enjoying a supervised family activity - children from an earlier generation never had access to such playthings, so normally 'created thier own amusement'. Does anyone remember someone perhaps saying, "Come here you rascal'? then getting dragged to thier parents for a telling off?

Context is important here - it's a public space, the children are supervised. A few 'bad apples' shouldn't ruin it for everyone, just like a few complainers shouldn't either.

The whole square is a combination of housing and commerical areas. The separation of these two areas over centuries of town development have been ignored for profit in my opinon, or as a trendy 'fad'. Placing a playground next to a retirement block is never going to work is it? What if was swings and roundabouts? Would the compaints be the same?

I have kids and have taken them there to play. Try telling a 2 year old they can't scream when they get wet by suprise. I suspect such a reaction is built-in to children, the alternative is to not use a public space as it was intended. Prehaps turn them off, but such actions are normally the first step in the decline of an area once written off, in my opinion.

Keep the fountains, enjoy them. I personally believe that living in a commerically built-up area and complaining about hearing the noise of happy and excited children playing in a public space is just the sort of complaint I would expect from someone wo has too much time sitting at home listening to it. (Sorry about the rant).
I personally believe that when people honestly look back at thier lives as children, they may have different opinions about 'screaming children'. They are at least enjoying a supervised family activity - children from an earlier generation never had access to such playthings, so normally 'created thier own amusement'. Does anyone remember someone perhaps saying, "Come here you rascal'? then getting dragged to thier parents for a telling off? Context is important here - it's a public space, the children are supervised. A few 'bad apples' shouldn't ruin it for everyone, just like a few complainers shouldn't either. The whole square is a combination of housing and commerical areas. The separation of these two areas over centuries of town development have been ignored for profit in my opinon, or as a trendy 'fad'. Placing a playground next to a retirement block is never going to work is it? What if was swings and roundabouts? Would the compaints be the same? I have kids and have taken them there to play. Try telling a 2 year old they can't scream when they get wet by suprise. I suspect such a reaction is built-in to children, the alternative is to not use a public space as it was intended. Prehaps turn them off, but such actions are normally the first step in the decline of an area once written off, in my opinion. Keep the fountains, enjoy them. I personally believe that living in a commerically built-up area and complaining about hearing the noise of happy and excited children playing in a public space is just the sort of complaint I would expect from someone wo has too much time sitting at home listening to it. (Sorry about the rant). Cromy
  • Score: 4

12:38pm Thu 7 Aug 14

siratb says...

That was my point, try telling a 3 yo not to scream when they get wet! Actually this topic has moved to "badly behaved kids" from the article which is about "shrieking kids". There is no comparison, I disagree with badly behaved, rude, or obnoxious kids too, but when a 3 yo shrieks with laughter when they get squirted with water...I have no problem with that and it can't nor shouldn't be "controlled".

FTR I don't recall seeing any rude, obnoxious, badly behaved kids there, only kids having fun. Even the echo printed photos earlier in the summer of kids enjoying the fountain.....
That was my point, try telling a 3 yo not to scream when they get wet! Actually this topic has moved to "badly behaved kids" from the article which is about "shrieking kids". There is no comparison, I disagree with badly behaved, rude, or obnoxious kids too, but when a 3 yo shrieks with laughter when they get squirted with water...I have no problem with that and it can't nor shouldn't be "controlled". FTR I don't recall seeing any rude, obnoxious, badly behaved kids there, only kids having fun. Even the echo printed photos earlier in the summer of kids enjoying the fountain..... siratb
  • Score: 8

12:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

elloello1980 says...

this says so much about the typical Dorchester resident.

Snobby wannabe rich folk ;)
this says so much about the typical Dorchester resident. Snobby wannabe rich folk ;) elloello1980
  • Score: -11

1:11pm Thu 7 Aug 14

codlips says...

The whole site will be closed soon anyway, posh shops and restaurants and nobody using them much in the height of summer, imagine the winter!
The whole site will be closed soon anyway, posh shops and restaurants and nobody using them much in the height of summer, imagine the winter! codlips
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.
Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.
It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic!
I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated.
If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.
I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you.
You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying...
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.[/p][/quote]Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.[/p][/quote]It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic! I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated. If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you. You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying... Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -12

2:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.
Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.
It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic!
I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated.
If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.
I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you.
You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying...
You've missed the point entirely, It's got nothing to do with children annoying anybody, it's got everything to do with a small minority of children who aren't supervised properly which consequently causes distress to others. Others who have every right to enjoy the public space the same as you!
It might surprise you to know that civilised well mannered people actually consider and respect other peoples differences. Perhaps you might like to reflect on this and try applying it in future, instead of imposing your selfishness on all and sundry! After all It's a civic space to be shared and enjoyed by all.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.[/p][/quote]Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.[/p][/quote]It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic! I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated. If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you. You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying...[/p][/quote]You've missed the point entirely, It's got nothing to do with children annoying anybody, it's got everything to do with a small minority of children who aren't supervised properly which consequently causes distress to others. Others who have every right to enjoy the public space the same as you! It might surprise you to know that civilised well mannered people actually consider and respect other peoples differences. Perhaps you might like to reflect on this and try applying it in future, instead of imposing your selfishness on all and sundry! After all It's a civic space to be shared and enjoyed by all. cj07589
  • Score: 20

2:42pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

elloello1980 wrote:
this says so much about the typical Dorchester resident.

Snobby wannabe rich folk ;)
Why don't you like well mannered, behaved and considerate people? Typical oik comment if you ask me, btw you don't have to be wealthy to have good manners, good manners and being a decent person cost nothing.
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote: this says so much about the typical Dorchester resident. Snobby wannabe rich folk ;)[/p][/quote]Why don't you like well mannered, behaved and considerate people? Typical oik comment if you ask me, btw you don't have to be wealthy to have good manners, good manners and being a decent person cost nothing. cj07589
  • Score: 27

3:01pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

codlips wrote:
The whole site will be closed soon anyway, posh shops and restaurants and nobody using them much in the height of summer, imagine the winter!
Could it double up as a ice skating rink for the winter months?
[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote: The whole site will be closed soon anyway, posh shops and restaurants and nobody using them much in the height of summer, imagine the winter![/p][/quote]Could it double up as a ice skating rink for the winter months? cj07589
  • Score: 4

3:05pm Thu 7 Aug 14

blackdown406 says...

Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!! blackdown406
  • Score: 4

3:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
[quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not. cj07589
  • Score: 15

3:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Rockbuddy says...

I can't believe we have people moaning about kids enjoying themselves too much. God forbid people enjoying what the town has to offer no matter what age they are.
I can't believe we have people moaning about kids enjoying themselves too much. God forbid people enjoying what the town has to offer no matter what age they are. Rockbuddy
  • Score: -5

4:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Cromy says...

cj07589 wrote:
blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
Interesting, that it's constant. no break in noise at all, 24 hours a day? Or is more likely short and frequent burts? Maybe something like the occasional 'toot' of a train, or a honk of a horn in some busy city? I don't normally pick up on such minor detail, but maybe a slight exaggeration on your part, or an underplay on mine?

Facilities like these exist all over the country, and in other countries around the world. How would Dorchester look if it banned the use of fountains for this reason? I suspect it could be blown up to something like the "Christmas Tree" saga a few years ago...
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.[/p][/quote]Interesting, that it's constant. no break in noise at all, 24 hours a day? Or is more likely short and frequent burts? Maybe something like the occasional 'toot' of a train, or a honk of a horn in some busy city? I don't normally pick up on such minor detail, but maybe a slight exaggeration on your part, or an underplay on mine? Facilities like these exist all over the country, and in other countries around the world. How would Dorchester look if it banned the use of fountains for this reason? I suspect it could be blown up to something like the "Christmas Tree" saga a few years ago... Cromy
  • Score: -6

4:10pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Crimbo says...

Do I understand this correctly, parents are complaining because the owner of private land is reacting to complaints by the people who pay for a decorative feature, even though these parents are allowing their children to abuse this decorative feature by treating it as a playground?
Just because the weather has been warmer than normal, it doesn't give parents the right to tell a private landowner what to do on his property. I bet these parents will be the first to jump on the compensation bandwagon if one of their unsupervised brood slipped and became injured on a wet surface.
Do I understand this correctly, parents are complaining because the owner of private land is reacting to complaints by the people who pay for a decorative feature, even though these parents are allowing their children to abuse this decorative feature by treating it as a playground? Just because the weather has been warmer than normal, it doesn't give parents the right to tell a private landowner what to do on his property. I bet these parents will be the first to jump on the compensation bandwagon if one of their unsupervised brood slipped and became injured on a wet surface. Crimbo
  • Score: 27

4:31pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Cromy says...

Crimbo wrote:
Do I understand this correctly, parents are complaining because the owner of private land is reacting to complaints by the people who pay for a decorative feature, even though these parents are allowing their children to abuse this decorative feature by treating it as a playground?
Just because the weather has been warmer than normal, it doesn't give parents the right to tell a private landowner what to do on his property. I bet these parents will be the first to jump on the compensation bandwagon if one of their unsupervised brood slipped and became injured on a wet surface.
If you look at the Brewery Square website you'll see images of children laying in the water. It was obviously designed as a purpose of the fountains.

By the way I wouldn't like to listen to children screaming all day whilst playing in the water fountains provided for them. I just believe that a little give and take should be considered and not all parents should be tarnished with the same brush.
[quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: Do I understand this correctly, parents are complaining because the owner of private land is reacting to complaints by the people who pay for a decorative feature, even though these parents are allowing their children to abuse this decorative feature by treating it as a playground? Just because the weather has been warmer than normal, it doesn't give parents the right to tell a private landowner what to do on his property. I bet these parents will be the first to jump on the compensation bandwagon if one of their unsupervised brood slipped and became injured on a wet surface.[/p][/quote]If you look at the Brewery Square website you'll see images of children laying in the water. It was obviously designed as a purpose of the fountains. By the way I wouldn't like to listen to children screaming all day whilst playing in the water fountains provided for them. I just believe that a little give and take should be considered and not all parents should be tarnished with the same brush. Cromy
  • Score: 4

4:41pm Thu 7 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Cromy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
Interesting, that it's constant. no break in noise at all, 24 hours a day? Or is more likely short and frequent burts? Maybe something like the occasional 'toot' of a train, or a honk of a horn in some busy city? I don't normally pick up on such minor detail, but maybe a slight exaggeration on your part, or an underplay on mine?

Facilities like these exist all over the country, and in other countries around the world. How would Dorchester look if it banned the use of fountains for this reason? I suspect it could be blown up to something like the "Christmas Tree" saga a few years ago...
I don't think the discussion is about banning anything, it's about asking a small minority to be considerate of others.
As an example, I have form of hearing disability which means when there is loud background noise of a certain pitch (using high frequency sounds like shrieking, shouting etc) makes hearing conversations and conducting them extremely difficult and frustrating.
This loss in hearing ability is quite common in the more elderly, hence why I can particularly relate to the reasonable request to ask that the public space is used considerately and in a manner that people of ALL ages and walks of life can enjoy it.
[quote][p][bold]Cromy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.[/p][/quote]Interesting, that it's constant. no break in noise at all, 24 hours a day? Or is more likely short and frequent burts? Maybe something like the occasional 'toot' of a train, or a honk of a horn in some busy city? I don't normally pick up on such minor detail, but maybe a slight exaggeration on your part, or an underplay on mine? Facilities like these exist all over the country, and in other countries around the world. How would Dorchester look if it banned the use of fountains for this reason? I suspect it could be blown up to something like the "Christmas Tree" saga a few years ago...[/p][/quote]I don't think the discussion is about banning anything, it's about asking a small minority to be considerate of others. As an example, I have form of hearing disability which means when there is loud background noise of a certain pitch (using high frequency sounds like shrieking, shouting etc) makes hearing conversations and conducting them extremely difficult and frustrating. This loss in hearing ability is quite common in the more elderly, hence why I can particularly relate to the reasonable request to ask that the public space is used considerately and in a manner that people of ALL ages and walks of life can enjoy it. cj07589
  • Score: 12

4:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Weyexile says...

blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
Is that surroonded by a residential area or in Nottingham City Centre?
[quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]Is that surroonded by a residential area or in Nottingham City Centre? Weyexile
  • Score: 5

5:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Weyexile says...

How about encouraging them to use the Borough Gardens? Is there not a "splash pool". Weymouth beach, is a good alternative. As is hosing the noisy little beggars down in your own back garden.
How about encouraging them to use the Borough Gardens? Is there not a "splash pool". Weymouth beach, is a good alternative. As is hosing the noisy little beggars down in your own back garden. Weyexile
  • Score: 22

5:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Toma10 says...

Well I think that there should be a celebration I thought that Dorchester was devoid of life but there you are children playing and misserys moaning it is life as we know it come on there kids all to soon they will have to be facing the drudge of work careers oh and taxation hefty taxation to support pensioners ect!
Well I think that there should be a celebration I thought that Dorchester was devoid of life but there you are children playing and misserys moaning it is life as we know it come on there kids all to soon they will have to be facing the drudge of work careers oh and taxation hefty taxation to support pensioners ect! Toma10
  • Score: -10

6:35pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

Jim4512 wrote:
Maybe they should set a few days aside a week for oaps so that they can play in the fountain without the kids. That way everyone is happy!! If old people in Dorchester can be happy.
Obviously no sense of humor in Dorchester due to a negative score
[quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should set a few days aside a week for oaps so that they can play in the fountain without the kids. That way everyone is happy!! If old people in Dorchester can be happy.[/p][/quote]Obviously no sense of humor in Dorchester due to a negative score Jim4512
  • Score: -8

7:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

RLPeacocke says...

It is instructive that so many contributors are using nom de plumes. Are they afraid to stand up and be counted? As to the argument, children squeal and mothers shop. No children, no mothers, no profit and sleepy little Dorchester can slide back into the 1950s where it belongs and is happiest. That is why I am happy to now live in a vibrant, young-at-heart Poole after living in the geriatric centre of Dorset for nearly 20 years.
It is instructive that so many contributors are using nom de plumes. Are they afraid to stand up and be counted? As to the argument, children squeal and mothers shop. No children, no mothers, no profit and sleepy little Dorchester can slide back into the 1950s where it belongs and is happiest. That is why I am happy to now live in a vibrant, young-at-heart Poole after living in the geriatric centre of Dorset for nearly 20 years. RLPeacocke
  • Score: -17

9:30pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.
Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.
It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic!
I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated.
If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.
I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you.
You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying...
You've missed the point entirely, It's got nothing to do with children annoying anybody, it's got everything to do with a small minority of children who aren't supervised properly which consequently causes distress to others. Others who have every right to enjoy the public space the same as you!
It might surprise you to know that civilised well mannered people actually consider and respect other peoples differences. Perhaps you might like to reflect on this and try applying it in future, instead of imposing your selfishness on all and sundry! After all It's a civic space to be shared and enjoyed by all.
My selfishness? You are the one saying that children should be seen and not heard.
I hate the word civic, why are you using it? It goes alongside 'duty' and that is a very debatable subjective matter which is very heavily tied to politics. For example I think that it's a civic duty to not steal from others, and yet you can't have failed to notice that people that stand in major office that we would presuppose also uphold that similar idea, very clearly do not. For example.
It's a 'public' space and the last time I looked the public included kids that like to have fun and make noise you miserable git...
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.[/p][/quote]Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.[/p][/quote]It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic! I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated. If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you. You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying...[/p][/quote]You've missed the point entirely, It's got nothing to do with children annoying anybody, it's got everything to do with a small minority of children who aren't supervised properly which consequently causes distress to others. Others who have every right to enjoy the public space the same as you! It might surprise you to know that civilised well mannered people actually consider and respect other peoples differences. Perhaps you might like to reflect on this and try applying it in future, instead of imposing your selfishness on all and sundry! After all It's a civic space to be shared and enjoyed by all.[/p][/quote]My selfishness? You are the one saying that children should be seen and not heard. I hate the word civic, why are you using it? It goes alongside 'duty' and that is a very debatable subjective matter which is very heavily tied to politics. For example I think that it's a civic duty to not steal from others, and yet you can't have failed to notice that people that stand in major office that we would presuppose also uphold that similar idea, very clearly do not. For example. It's a 'public' space and the last time I looked the public included kids that like to have fun and make noise you miserable git... Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -12

9:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

Crimbo wrote:
Do I understand this correctly, parents are complaining because the owner of private land is reacting to complaints by the people who pay for a decorative feature, even though these parents are allowing their children to abuse this decorative feature by treating it as a playground?
Just because the weather has been warmer than normal, it doesn't give parents the right to tell a private landowner what to do on his property. I bet these parents will be the first to jump on the compensation bandwagon if one of their unsupervised brood slipped and became injured on a wet surface.
Well let's close it down then and see how quickly all the major chains do without their main target customer group the family.
And correct me if I'm wrong but an application for a private landlord to occupy a plot of land on the agreement that part of the land will be open to the public obviously without condition is a very different prospect to then saying actually there are a few conditions. I can't see them risking a failed retrospective planning permission, or upsetting paying parent customers can you?
Open to the public is open to the public, not sort of open to the public.
[quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: Do I understand this correctly, parents are complaining because the owner of private land is reacting to complaints by the people who pay for a decorative feature, even though these parents are allowing their children to abuse this decorative feature by treating it as a playground? Just because the weather has been warmer than normal, it doesn't give parents the right to tell a private landowner what to do on his property. I bet these parents will be the first to jump on the compensation bandwagon if one of their unsupervised brood slipped and became injured on a wet surface.[/p][/quote]Well let's close it down then and see how quickly all the major chains do without their main target customer group the family. And correct me if I'm wrong but an application for a private landlord to occupy a plot of land on the agreement that part of the land will be open to the public obviously without condition is a very different prospect to then saying actually there are a few conditions. I can't see them risking a failed retrospective planning permission, or upsetting paying parent customers can you? Open to the public is open to the public, not sort of open to the public. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -12

9:49pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

cj07589 wrote:
blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark.
You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry.
It's a Monty Python sketch.
There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.[/p][/quote]Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark. You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry. It's a Monty Python sketch. There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -14

9:50pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
DCC money?
Is there an echo in this forum?
[quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.[/p][/quote]DCC money?[/p][/quote]Is there an echo in this forum? Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -8

10:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

JedStorm says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
DCC money?
Is there an echo in this forum?
No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.[/p][/quote]DCC money?[/p][/quote]Is there an echo in this forum?[/p][/quote]No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there. JedStorm
  • Score: 9

7:22am Fri 8 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
DCC money?
Is there an echo in this forum?
No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there.
I'm sorry, absolutely no tax money was spent in getting redevelopment of brewery square. If that's true I'm a monkey's uncle. No deal sweeteners, no council time, no contracts offered. The developers just happened to pick dorchester out if a hat did they...
[quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.[/p][/quote]DCC money?[/p][/quote]Is there an echo in this forum?[/p][/quote]No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, absolutely no tax money was spent in getting redevelopment of brewery square. If that's true I'm a monkey's uncle. No deal sweeteners, no council time, no contracts offered. The developers just happened to pick dorchester out if a hat did they... Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -11

7:44am Fri 8 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.
Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.
It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic!
I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated.
If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.
I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you.
You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying...
You've missed the point entirely, It's got nothing to do with children annoying anybody, it's got everything to do with a small minority of children who aren't supervised properly which consequently causes distress to others. Others who have every right to enjoy the public space the same as you!
It might surprise you to know that civilised well mannered people actually consider and respect other peoples differences. Perhaps you might like to reflect on this and try applying it in future, instead of imposing your selfishness on all and sundry! After all It's a civic space to be shared and enjoyed by all.
My selfishness? You are the one saying that children should be seen and not heard.
I hate the word civic, why are you using it? It goes alongside 'duty' and that is a very debatable subjective matter which is very heavily tied to politics. For example I think that it's a civic duty to not steal from others, and yet you can't have failed to notice that people that stand in major office that we would presuppose also uphold that similar idea, very clearly do not. For example.
It's a 'public' space and the last time I looked the public included kids that like to have fun and make noise you miserable git...
No where have I ever said children should be seen and not heard, it also helps to try starting a debate with a correct and factual statement. Do you have anger issues? Civic is an adjective used in connection with a town or city didn't they teach you that in school? As with all public/civic shared spaces there are bylaws associated with its usage to safeguard its intended use for all walks of life and ages. The bylaws are there to keep people like you in check and to persevere the space for everybody shame your royal selfishness can't think beyond your own needs or consider anybody else. Thoroughly shameful but enough said and thanks for proving my point.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Interesting article and response. We went to Brewery Square once and never again, unless it is pouring with rain. Disgraceful behaviour by parents allowing their children to run amok without any consideration for residents or other visitors, this is a public fountain and not a playground. The best thing to happen would be to shut it down and bring peace.[/p][/quote]Any public area is a playground. Public areas are for sharing, for everyone. They are not for particular groups, and nor are they to have rules applied to them because we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship. Residents don't like it - don't move somewhere next to a public space. I'd encourage all parents to take their children there and make as much noise as possible specifically just to annoy the miserable so*ding residents.[/p][/quote]It's inconsiderate uncouth people like you who ruin it for everybody else, when centre management stop/restrict the fountain operation the dysfunctional parents can blame it on you for starters how ironic! I'd also add Hong Kong and other places have these type of interactive fountains yet they do attract feral out of control children which says it all about our selfish me me me society and the way a minority think its acceptable to inflict their indiscipline and absence of taking responsibility on others is out of order and should not be tolerated. If you can't use it nicely and considerately than I say turn it off until you can manage your brod in a public place properly.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the me me me society refers to those 'with' often dictating to those without. You can't use it in context of a public space and say that people with children are annoying you. You are the me, me, me as in it's my space and I don't want certain people using it or I'm going to throw my rattle out I the pram and start crying...[/p][/quote]You've missed the point entirely, It's got nothing to do with children annoying anybody, it's got everything to do with a small minority of children who aren't supervised properly which consequently causes distress to others. Others who have every right to enjoy the public space the same as you! It might surprise you to know that civilised well mannered people actually consider and respect other peoples differences. Perhaps you might like to reflect on this and try applying it in future, instead of imposing your selfishness on all and sundry! After all It's a civic space to be shared and enjoyed by all.[/p][/quote]My selfishness? You are the one saying that children should be seen and not heard. I hate the word civic, why are you using it? It goes alongside 'duty' and that is a very debatable subjective matter which is very heavily tied to politics. For example I think that it's a civic duty to not steal from others, and yet you can't have failed to notice that people that stand in major office that we would presuppose also uphold that similar idea, very clearly do not. For example. It's a 'public' space and the last time I looked the public included kids that like to have fun and make noise you miserable git...[/p][/quote]No where have I ever said children should be seen and not heard, it also helps to try starting a debate with a correct and factual statement. Do you have anger issues? Civic is an adjective used in connection with a town or city didn't they teach you that in school? As with all public/civic shared spaces there are bylaws associated with its usage to safeguard its intended use for all walks of life and ages. The bylaws are there to keep people like you in check and to persevere the space for everybody shame your royal selfishness can't think beyond your own needs or consider anybody else. Thoroughly shameful but enough said and thanks for proving my point. cj07589
  • Score: 9

8:01am Fri 8 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark.
You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry.
It's a Monty Python sketch.
There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.
idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.[/p][/quote]Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark. You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry. It's a Monty Python sketch. There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.[/p][/quote]idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are. cj07589
  • Score: 7

10:39am Fri 8 Aug 14

February1948 says...

Just wait until the skating rink is back again and this forum will be moaning about the not-so-little children screaming!
Personally, I think it's great that we have been having such lovely weather that little children can run around getting wet, whilst their parents can sit in the sun and have a meal or a drink (just like they do all over Spain and Italy etc) and remember, they are only little and these days small children have so little freedom to play outdoors. Yes, there will always be parents who allow their children to annoy everyone else, and yes, there are people who will always complain, but we are talking just a couple of weeks in the summer, not all year round. And at least Brewery Square is not full of loud drunks vomitting all over the place during the night and early hours, then people would have cause to complain.
Just wait until the skating rink is back again and this forum will be moaning about the not-so-little children screaming! Personally, I think it's great that we have been having such lovely weather that little children can run around getting wet, whilst their parents can sit in the sun and have a meal or a drink (just like they do all over Spain and Italy etc) and remember, they are only little and these days small children have so little freedom to play outdoors. Yes, there will always be parents who allow their children to annoy everyone else, and yes, there are people who will always complain, but we are talking just a couple of weeks in the summer, not all year round. And at least Brewery Square is not full of loud drunks vomitting all over the place during the night and early hours, then people would have cause to complain. February1948
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Fri 8 Aug 14

jjlad2 says...

notweymouth wrote:
don't worry, as soon as one of there little darlings grazes their knee the whole area will be fenced off pending legal action.
I was just going to say the same, H&S will no doubt close this place with the first reportable claiment lol.
but call me old fashioned, i love the kids running around haviing fun, i'm the old clan when you could climb trees, play conkers, have a go cart made out of pram wheels, scrump apples, and leave your back door open without fear of breakins etc, Dogooders and H&S put paid to that, take the fun out of kids and they will grow up to be as misarable as some of the ol **** on here
[quote][p][bold]notweymouth[/bold] wrote: don't worry, as soon as one of there little darlings grazes their knee the whole area will be fenced off pending legal action.[/p][/quote]I was just going to say the same, H&S will no doubt close this place with the first reportable claiment lol. but call me old fashioned, i love the kids running around haviing fun, i'm the old clan when you could climb trees, play conkers, have a go cart made out of pram wheels, scrump apples, and leave your back door open without fear of breakins etc, Dogooders and H&S put paid to that, take the fun out of kids and they will grow up to be as misarable as some of the ol **** on here jjlad2
  • Score: -4

1:36pm Fri 8 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

jjlad2 wrote:
notweymouth wrote:
don't worry, as soon as one of there little darlings grazes their knee the whole area will be fenced off pending legal action.
I was just going to say the same, H&S will no doubt close this place with the first reportable claiment lol.
but call me old fashioned, i love the kids running around haviing fun, i'm the old clan when you could climb trees, play conkers, have a go cart made out of pram wheels, scrump apples, and leave your back door open without fear of breakins etc, Dogooders and H&S put paid to that, take the fun out of kids and they will grow up to be as misarable as some of the ol **** on here
I'm all for kids having a laugh and a giggle at the right time and in the right place but the fountain in Brewery Square is not the time or the place. Leave the discipline and respect for others out of kids and they grow into adults with no discipline and no respect for others.
[quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notweymouth[/bold] wrote: don't worry, as soon as one of there little darlings grazes their knee the whole area will be fenced off pending legal action.[/p][/quote]I was just going to say the same, H&S will no doubt close this place with the first reportable claiment lol. but call me old fashioned, i love the kids running around haviing fun, i'm the old clan when you could climb trees, play conkers, have a go cart made out of pram wheels, scrump apples, and leave your back door open without fear of breakins etc, Dogooders and H&S put paid to that, take the fun out of kids and they will grow up to be as misarable as some of the ol **** on here[/p][/quote]I'm all for kids having a laugh and a giggle at the right time and in the right place but the fountain in Brewery Square is not the time or the place. Leave the discipline and respect for others out of kids and they grow into adults with no discipline and no respect for others. JackJohnson
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Fri 8 Aug 14

3rdAccount says...

I've been their with my children and unfortunately we were surrounded by some Jeremy Kyle types with their children running round with nothing on, screaming, throwing balls (one even mucking around on a skateboard) a- the parents (if you can call them that) were totally oblivious to their behaviour (or just did not care ).

I think it sounds like a few chav families have ruined it for the rest of us.

Yes, kids scream but responsible parents will pull them up for it. I think the signs are fine, have fun, laugh but please don't scream. For the residents I guess it's like living next to someone whose dog is always barking - not very nice!
I've been their with my children and unfortunately we were surrounded by some Jeremy Kyle types with their children running round with nothing on, screaming, throwing balls (one even mucking around on a skateboard) a- the parents (if you can call them that) were totally oblivious to their behaviour (or just did not care ). I think it sounds like a few chav families have ruined it for the rest of us. Yes, kids scream but responsible parents will pull them up for it. I think the signs are fine, have fun, laugh but please don't scream. For the residents I guess it's like living next to someone whose dog is always barking - not very nice! 3rdAccount
  • Score: 16

4:48pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Stephie Dee says...

My comments as per the Facebook page (for what it's worth) are:

1) It's a public area, not a specific children's play area. This means it is an area for everyone to enjoy, not just the ones who wouldn't feel out of place in a den of howler monkeys. Life is about respect and compromise, not about a false sense of entitlement just because you have a child.
People need to understand that children will play there, will laugh and giggle and have fun. Parents need to understand that there is a difference between screaming and playing. Children don't need to scream to have fun, and parents& children alike should realise that there are different levels of noise and behaviour that are acceptable in different circumstances and environments.
I think it's a good opportunity to teach children what is expected of them in public and that they don't always get to behave exactly as they want just because they want to. It's give and take.

2) No one is trying to ban children, or childhood or fun, ffs, who called in the drama llama?! People expect noise of a normal and acceptable level. Not screaming, screaming screaming for 8 hours a day. I really don't get what's going on when parents stop actually parenting and just pander to their offspring and expect everyone else to do the same. You want your kids to be able to scream their heads off? Take them to a children's park or somewhere appropriate. Both adults and children should behave appropriately and have some bloody respect in an area that is meant to be enjoyed by everyone.
I wonder if all the people on here who will defend their children behaving however they like would then defend an adults right to do the same? I bet if a group of adults were at the fountain having a loud conversation about bondage, blow jobs and blood soaked decapitation, I bet you'd all be the first to complain about it "for the children", because, hypocrisy.
My comments as per the Facebook page (for what it's worth) are: 1) It's a public area, not a specific children's play area. This means it is an area for everyone to enjoy, not just the ones who wouldn't feel out of place in a den of howler monkeys. Life is about respect and compromise, not about a false sense of entitlement just because you have a child. People need to understand that children will play there, will laugh and giggle and have fun. Parents need to understand that there is a difference between screaming and playing. Children don't need to scream to have fun, and parents& children alike should realise that there are different levels of noise and behaviour that are acceptable in different circumstances and environments. I think it's a good opportunity to teach children what is expected of them in public and that they don't always get to behave exactly as they want just because they want to. It's give and take. 2) No one is trying to ban children, or childhood or fun, ffs, who called in the drama llama?! People expect noise of a normal and acceptable level. Not screaming, screaming screaming for 8 hours a day. I really don't get what's going on when parents stop actually parenting and just pander to their offspring and expect everyone else to do the same. You want your kids to be able to scream their heads off? Take them to a children's park or somewhere appropriate. Both adults and children should behave appropriately and have some bloody respect in an area that is meant to be enjoyed by everyone. I wonder if all the people on here who will defend their children behaving however they like would then defend an adults right to do the same? I bet if a group of adults were at the fountain having a loud conversation about bondage, blow jobs and blood soaked decapitation, I bet you'd all be the first to complain about it "for the children", because, hypocrisy. Stephie Dee
  • Score: 16

5:56pm Fri 8 Aug 14

JamesYoung says...

Parkstreetshufle wrote:
JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
DCC money?
Is there an echo in this forum?
No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there.
I'm sorry, absolutely no tax money was spent in getting redevelopment of brewery square. If that's true I'm a monkey's uncle. No deal sweeteners, no council time, no contracts offered. The developers just happened to pick dorchester out if a hat did they...
I have my doubts that the council had much to do with it, with the exception of the S106 (?) which are expected of every developer.
Reason: because it happened. WDDC (who do the planning, not DCC) have taken 30 years to get Charles St off the ground, and apart from new offices, there is nothing to see.
[quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.[/p][/quote]DCC money?[/p][/quote]Is there an echo in this forum?[/p][/quote]No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, absolutely no tax money was spent in getting redevelopment of brewery square. If that's true I'm a monkey's uncle. No deal sweeteners, no council time, no contracts offered. The developers just happened to pick dorchester out if a hat did they...[/p][/quote]I have my doubts that the council had much to do with it, with the exception of the S106 (?) which are expected of every developer. Reason: because it happened. WDDC (who do the planning, not DCC) have taken 30 years to get Charles St off the ground, and apart from new offices, there is nothing to see. JamesYoung
  • Score: 3

6:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark.
You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry.
It's a Monty Python sketch.
There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.
idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are.
I could make equally negative dispersions.
I don't see much constructive argument going on, just attempts tone personal.
Theres some bad english going on as well - did you mean to say state a single fact correctly? or something like?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.[/p][/quote]Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark. You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry. It's a Monty Python sketch. There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.[/p][/quote]idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are.[/p][/quote]I could make equally negative dispersions. I don't see much constructive argument going on, just attempts tone personal. Theres some bad english going on as well - did you mean to say state a single fact correctly? or something like? Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -6

7:05pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
JedStorm wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
Harpya Orkinus wrote:
mr commonsense wrote:
Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care.
Sad society.
Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!!
What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.
DCC money?
Is there an echo in this forum?
No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there.
I'm sorry, absolutely no tax money was spent in getting redevelopment of brewery square. If that's true I'm a monkey's uncle. No deal sweeteners, no council time, no contracts offered. The developers just happened to pick dorchester out if a hat did they...
I have my doubts that the council had much to do with it, with the exception of the S106 (?) which are expected of every developer.
Reason: because it happened. WDDC (who do the planning, not DCC) have taken 30 years to get Charles St off the ground, and apart from new offices, there is nothing to see.
Its difficult enough to get a loft extension let alone a gigantic shopping / housing complex.
Whichever respective parts of the council were involved, you can bet your bottom dollar that it wasn't a case of submit it to your local planning office.
As someone said - the promotional material showed pictures of kids laying down in the fountain. You can't submit that kind of stuff and then decide to start laying down the law about kids being there, its not on.
What really upsets me is the rather insidious changes that are going on where a second class citizenship is being created by the haves that are able to waltz in, buy what they like and start dictating rules. In the case of the many retirees moving to the area, that is anyone making any kind of noise an generally enjoying themselves it seems to me. When in Rome seems to be a long forgotten adage.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JedStorm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harpya Orkinus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: Those correspondents who say it is only children enjoying themselves clearly belong to that large group of people who have little manners, have no consideration for others and couldn't care less. In other words go off my little darlings and annoy everybody around because I don't care. Sad society.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - it's all about selfishness these days !! The sooner we see some sense and return to the considerate and respectful society we enjoyed up until the 1960s, the BETTER !!!![/p][/quote]What some misery guts there are in dorchester. You managed to get large amounts of DCC money spent there, and now you can't decide to pick and choose who comes in. You get the money - you take the people, including the small ones.[/p][/quote]DCC money?[/p][/quote]Is there an echo in this forum?[/p][/quote]No DCC money has been spent at Brewery Square, it's a private commercial development. I was just questioning why the original poster has stated that large amounts of DCC money spent there.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, absolutely no tax money was spent in getting redevelopment of brewery square. If that's true I'm a monkey's uncle. No deal sweeteners, no council time, no contracts offered. The developers just happened to pick dorchester out if a hat did they...[/p][/quote]I have my doubts that the council had much to do with it, with the exception of the S106 (?) which are expected of every developer. Reason: because it happened. WDDC (who do the planning, not DCC) have taken 30 years to get Charles St off the ground, and apart from new offices, there is nothing to see.[/p][/quote]Its difficult enough to get a loft extension let alone a gigantic shopping / housing complex. Whichever respective parts of the council were involved, you can bet your bottom dollar that it wasn't a case of submit it to your local planning office. As someone said - the promotional material showed pictures of kids laying down in the fountain. You can't submit that kind of stuff and then decide to start laying down the law about kids being there, its not on. What really upsets me is the rather insidious changes that are going on where a second class citizenship is being created by the haves that are able to waltz in, buy what they like and start dictating rules. In the case of the many retirees moving to the area, that is anyone making any kind of noise an generally enjoying themselves it seems to me. When in Rome seems to be a long forgotten adage. Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -11

9:12pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Stephie Dee says...

Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.
Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day. Stephie Dee
  • Score: 8

9:45pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

Stephie Dee wrote:
Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.
You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up
[quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.[/p][/quote]You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up Jim4512
  • Score: 3

9:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Stephie Dee says...

Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.
You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up
Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face*

Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.
[quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.[/p][/quote]You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up[/p][/quote]Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face* Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all. Stephie Dee
  • Score: 9

10:04pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

Stephie Dee wrote:
Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.
You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up
Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face*

Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.
What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws
[quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.[/p][/quote]You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up[/p][/quote]Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face* Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.[/p][/quote]What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws Jim4512
  • Score: -3

12:04am Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephie Dee says...

Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.
You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up
Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face*

Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.
What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws
Since I wouldn't be inviting anyone watch anything being shown on my private portable device, my own personal viewing of it should still be covered by the limited license granted by the fact that I have legally purchased the media in digital format.

Thanks for the concern though.
[quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.[/p][/quote]You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up[/p][/quote]Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face* Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.[/p][/quote]What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws[/p][/quote]Since I wouldn't be inviting anyone watch anything being shown on my private portable device, my own personal viewing of it should still be covered by the limited license granted by the fact that I have legally purchased the media in digital format. Thanks for the concern though. Stephie Dee
  • Score: 4

12:05am Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephie Dee says...

*to watch
*to watch Stephie Dee
  • Score: 1

7:22am Sat 9 Aug 14

Jim4512 says...

Stephie Dee wrote:
Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.
You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up
Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face*

Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.
What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws
Since I wouldn't be inviting anyone watch anything being shown on my private portable device, my own personal viewing of it should still be covered by the limited license granted by the fact that I have legally purchased the media in digital format.

Thanks for the concern though.
You might also be breaking the public order act 1986 by watching your films in a public place where children are due to the bad language you described
[quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.[/p][/quote]You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up[/p][/quote]Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face* Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.[/p][/quote]What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws[/p][/quote]Since I wouldn't be inviting anyone watch anything being shown on my private portable device, my own personal viewing of it should still be covered by the limited license granted by the fact that I have legally purchased the media in digital format. Thanks for the concern though.[/p][/quote]You might also be breaking the public order act 1986 by watching your films in a public place where children are due to the bad language you described Jim4512
  • Score: -2

8:06am Sat 9 Aug 14

mark@greenhill says...

whatever66 wrote:
Take your kids weston super mare they dont moan there plus there is loads more to do with your kids x
But Weston Super Mud is a dump full of disgusting Chavs.
[quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: Take your kids weston super mare they dont moan there plus there is loads more to do with your kids x[/p][/quote]But Weston Super Mud is a dump full of disgusting Chavs. mark@greenhill
  • Score: 5

12:15pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephie Dee says...

Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Jim4512 wrote:
Stephie Dee wrote:
Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.
You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up
Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face*

Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.
What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws
Since I wouldn't be inviting anyone watch anything being shown on my private portable device, my own personal viewing of it should still be covered by the limited license granted by the fact that I have legally purchased the media in digital format.

Thanks for the concern though.
You might also be breaking the public order act 1986 by watching your films in a public place where children are due to the bad language you described
Personally, I would more than likely argue that that due to the prolific bad language from other members of the public in the vicinity (which I have heard every time I've been there when it's busy) led me to believe that the people within hearing or sight were not likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress by bad language, and there was no intention to cause the aforementioned.

I'm sure I could afford the fine, anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim4512[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephie Dee[/bold] wrote: Anyone want me to pitch up outside their home with a bunch of mates and 'enjoy ourselves' as loudly as possible for 8 hours tomorrow? I'm free all day.[/p][/quote]You can come to my house all day i live at brewery square hope you turn up[/p][/quote]Think I've got too much competition there already, sadly. Not sure my 'crew' would be heard over the feral rabble. *sad face* Maybe I'll stop by though, I could bring my tablet and watch my collection of violent horror films, or maybe play Cradle of Filth's back catalogue over by the fountains? I'm sure everyone else present would be fine with all the Gore and bad language, since it's a public space and all.[/p][/quote]What ever floats your boat but broadcasting films in public without permission from the owner of the film breaks copyright laws[/p][/quote]Since I wouldn't be inviting anyone watch anything being shown on my private portable device, my own personal viewing of it should still be covered by the limited license granted by the fact that I have legally purchased the media in digital format. Thanks for the concern though.[/p][/quote]You might also be breaking the public order act 1986 by watching your films in a public place where children are due to the bad language you described[/p][/quote]Personally, I would more than likely argue that that due to the prolific bad language from other members of the public in the vicinity (which I have heard every time I've been there when it's busy) led me to believe that the people within hearing or sight were not likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress by bad language, and there was no intention to cause the aforementioned. I'm sure I could afford the fine, anyway. Stephie Dee
  • Score: 5

7:11am Sun 10 Aug 14

crazymoose says...

Reading all these comments has gave me a right chuckle some are right and some are just complete bs but carry on uv made a boring morning at work a little better
Reading all these comments has gave me a right chuckle some are right and some are just complete bs but carry on uv made a boring morning at work a little better crazymoose
  • Score: 0

5:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

catwoman5 says...

cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark.
You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry.
It's a Monty Python sketch.
There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.
idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are.
Mister, you sound like a nightmare! I assume you live alone and have very few friends. You obviously think you have a superior intellect to just about everyone on this thread, so I conclude that you have lived a life of pent up failure and frustration.
I pity you and your hatred for your fellow citizens.
Have you ever considered moving to the top of an empty hill or the middle of a vast forest? We won't miss you, promise.
Poor man!
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.[/p][/quote]Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark. You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry. It's a Monty Python sketch. There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.[/p][/quote]idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are.[/p][/quote]Mister, you sound like a nightmare! I assume you live alone and have very few friends. You obviously think you have a superior intellect to just about everyone on this thread, so I conclude that you have lived a life of pent up failure and frustration. I pity you and your hatred for your fellow citizens. Have you ever considered moving to the top of an empty hill or the middle of a vast forest? We won't miss you, promise. Poor man! catwoman5
  • Score: -8

6:54pm Tue 12 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

catwoman5 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Parkstreetshufle wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
blackdown406 wrote:
Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish.
It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!!
I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.
Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark.
You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry.
It's a Monty Python sketch.
There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.
idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are.
Mister, you sound like a nightmare! I assume you live alone and have very few friends. You obviously think you have a superior intellect to just about everyone on this thread, so I conclude that you have lived a life of pent up failure and frustration.
I pity you and your hatred for your fellow citizens.
Have you ever considered moving to the top of an empty hill or the middle of a vast forest? We won't miss you, promise.
Poor man!
Oh dear the stalker strikes again. I see, that again in true form you offer no constructive argument to support your dispute. I agree like others that all that is required here is some basic consideration for others who use the shared public space.
If you oddly find this unacceptable then please do feel free to elaborate as like others we would all love to know. I however do NOT appreciate targeted vindictive abuse from you. Understand?
Fortunately on this planet, people have different opinions and views, explaining your point of view on a issue would be a constructive help to debating the issue like adults.
I am however genuinely worried about you, in particular your behaviour, there are really good support networks out there who can provide you with the help you need. Please don't be scared to reach out and seek it, I worry about the excessive rolling which can't be healthy. In anticipation of your considered and no doubt pleasant reply. Cj.
[quote][p][bold]catwoman5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parkstreetshufle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdown406[/bold] wrote: Here in Nottingham market square we have foutains where the children or teenagers are allowed to play and make as much noise they so wish. It does not say much for the shopping centre if you not allowed to make a noise. The laughter of children is what we want and not drunken louts!![/p][/quote]I agree the background ambient sound of laughter, enjoyment etc. all contributes to a successful development and civic space. But to be clear constant high pitch screaming, shrieking, crying, fighting is certainly not.[/p][/quote]Hilarious. So what you would like carry around an instrument to register the frequency of a child voice - or an adult presumably, and then tell them to shut up if the break the mark. You can see the idiocy of the conversation, oh were you shrieking? Oh I'm not sure. Well shout a bit louder and see if that seems more like a screech or more of a cry. It's a Monty Python sketch. There is a massive group of people - predominantly older and quite often not from the area it has to be said that would like to sweep the non conforming residents of the area away into ghettos where they don't effect 'the good and the righteous' . You put up a nice big development on land that has to be run by the council , who are duty bound to make profit for the good of the residents means if they swing the permission with the hook of providing public space - that sure had better be what it is. My money is good enough for council tax, my appearance in the said public space with a shrieking child is also good enough.[/p][/quote]idiotic conversation?? Oh the irony. Sadly it is inconsiderate and self centred people like you that will spoil the fountain for everyone. Well done for the multiple own goals any more self righteous self absorbed rants to follow? Please try and at least a single fact correct next time it's embarrassing and rude too which is no surprise at all after all, I think we can safely say we've worked out what type of 'person' you are.[/p][/quote]Mister, you sound like a nightmare! I assume you live alone and have very few friends. You obviously think you have a superior intellect to just about everyone on this thread, so I conclude that you have lived a life of pent up failure and frustration. I pity you and your hatred for your fellow citizens. Have you ever considered moving to the top of an empty hill or the middle of a vast forest? We won't miss you, promise. Poor man![/p][/quote]Oh dear the stalker strikes again. I see, that again in true form you offer no constructive argument to support your dispute. I agree like others that all that is required here is some basic consideration for others who use the shared public space. If you oddly find this unacceptable then please do feel free to elaborate as like others we would all love to know. I however do NOT appreciate targeted vindictive abuse from you. Understand? Fortunately on this planet, people have different opinions and views, explaining your point of view on a issue would be a constructive help to debating the issue like adults. I am however genuinely worried about you, in particular your behaviour, there are really good support networks out there who can provide you with the help you need. Please don't be scared to reach out and seek it, I worry about the excessive rolling which can't be healthy. In anticipation of your considered and no doubt pleasant reply. Cj. cj07589
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7:38pm Wed 20 Aug 14

veryoldman says...

WOW how bitter you all are, again it seems that people will moan about children having fun until that fun is removed.
I have a question for you all.
Will you be moaning when the fountains are turned off and the square is taken over by drunks and druggies?
WOW how bitter you all are, again it seems that people will moan about children having fun until that fun is removed. I have a question for you all. Will you be moaning when the fountains are turned off and the square is taken over by drunks and druggies? veryoldman
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