Experts to probe Weymouth traffic system: Have your say on what changes you would like to see

Cllr Mike Byatt at the Boot Hill/Harbour junction.

Cllr Mike Byatt at the Boot Hill/Harbour junction.

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A survey of Weymouth’s transport system is due to be carried out in the autumn.

Independent experts will carry out a stage four road safety audit. They will look at key areas of the scheme to ensure it meets national standards.

Dorset County Council revamped Weymouth’s transport network as part of hosting the sailing events for the Olympic Games.

One of the aims of the £9.3m project was to improve traffic flow around the town and reduce the need for motorists to use King Street and the Esplanade which often get congested.

The auditors will take into account all road users, not just motorists.

This is the final stage of evaluation of the scheme. Previous inspections looked at the design and construction of the project.

This time the auditors will take into account accident records to look at any trends. After identifying potential road safety problems they will make recommendations on possible solutions.

The county council will take this advice along with the diverse and widespread views of local residents to improve areas such as: • Boot Hill/Harbour Crossroads • The Wyke Road/Rodwell Rd junction • The Jubilee clock junction on the Esplanade.

 

Cllr Mike Byatt, county council member for Weymouth Town, said: “The county council have been mindful of the needs of the town’s residents and visitors. This review will help ensure that our transport plan is fit for purpose and is integrated into Weymouth town centre’s ‘master’ plan.”

Do you think changes or improvements need to be made to the traffic system in Weymouth?

 

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10:20am Wed 13 Aug 14

Mark Golsby says...

"A survey of Weymouth’s transport system is due to be carried out in the autumn."
An ideal time to see the impact of traffic on a system that needs to cope with the SUMMER tourist trade.
"A survey of Weymouth’s transport system is due to be carried out in the autumn." An ideal time to see the impact of traffic on a system that needs to cope with the SUMMER tourist trade. Mark Golsby
  • Score: 72

10:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

caapprentice says...

IMHO one of the first things that should be done away with are the stupid 'merge' lanes at junctions like the ones when you cross from Westwey road to Weymouth Way.
IMHO one of the first things that should be done away with are the stupid 'merge' lanes at junctions like the ones when you cross from Westwey road to Weymouth Way. caapprentice
  • Score: 37

10:53am Wed 13 Aug 14

terra firma says...

I believe that there is something seriously amiss with the Highways Agency's current computer modelling for junctions & roundabouts. Weymouth's Asda / Boot Hill junction failures are replicated here in Wimborne at the now infamous Canford Bottom (Hamburger) roundabout and at Stonehenge.

The underlying problem appears to be that at any of these, from any approach, wanting to turn right from any direction you enter, rather than left or straight ahead, is inhibited / obstructed by other traffic doing what they think is legal and right.

As we all know, the net result is chaos and quite literally having to take you life in your hands every time you approach, to say nothing of the queues and accidents that occur virtually daily.



Ironically
I believe that there is something seriously amiss with the Highways Agency's current computer modelling for junctions & roundabouts. Weymouth's Asda / Boot Hill junction failures are replicated here in Wimborne at the now infamous Canford Bottom (Hamburger) roundabout and at Stonehenge. The underlying problem appears to be that at any of these, from any approach, wanting to turn right from any direction you enter, rather than left or straight ahead, is inhibited / obstructed by other traffic doing what they think is legal and right. As we all know, the net result is chaos and quite literally having to take you life in your hands every time you approach, to say nothing of the queues and accidents that occur virtually daily. Ironically terra firma
  • Score: 52

11:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

livid99 says...

Roundabouts should be the simplest and most natural way to keep traffic flowing on busy routes. A simple roundabout works perfectly most of the time.
But, in their perceived wisdom, highways experts fiddle around and generally f*** them up with pedestrian crossings, traffic lights etc and the result is chaos.
The review of Weymouth's desperate Olympic inspired roads disaster should result in those responsible being sacked.
This is the town's Olympic Legacy.
Roundabouts should be the simplest and most natural way to keep traffic flowing on busy routes. A simple roundabout works perfectly most of the time. But, in their perceived wisdom, highways experts fiddle around and generally f*** them up with pedestrian crossings, traffic lights etc and the result is chaos. The review of Weymouth's desperate Olympic inspired roads disaster should result in those responsible being sacked. This is the town's Olympic Legacy. livid99
  • Score: 54

11:31am Wed 13 Aug 14

scubadude says...

Why wasn't this done BEFORE they dropped £9million on changes?
Nothing will be changed obviously as it costs too much so for a cheap solution can we PLEASE have 6ft fences around the Clock Tower junction to force the stupid pedestrians who insist on crossing to use the tunnel and proper crossing rather than wandering across the road like lost sheep?
Why wasn't this done BEFORE they dropped £9million on changes? Nothing will be changed obviously as it costs too much so for a cheap solution can we PLEASE have 6ft fences around the Clock Tower junction to force the stupid pedestrians who insist on crossing to use the tunnel and proper crossing rather than wandering across the road like lost sheep? scubadude
  • Score: 56

11:43am Wed 13 Aug 14

Laughing gnome says...

Nothing wrong with system....Just some of the nobs that don't know how to use it !
Nothing wrong with system....Just some of the nobs that don't know how to use it ! Laughing gnome
  • Score: -49

11:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

annotater says...

In the early days of the traffic light system at the bottom of Boot Hill, a technician from the traffic light installers was called to "Re phase" the lights.
His comment was, "What you need here is a roundabout".
I remarked in passing, "They have just been removed".
In the early days of the traffic light system at the bottom of Boot Hill, a technician from the traffic light installers was called to "Re phase" the lights. His comment was, "What you need here is a roundabout". I remarked in passing, "They have just been removed". annotater
  • Score: 67

12:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Caption Sensible says...

Western Route please...
Western Route please... Caption Sensible
  • Score: 11

12:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

shy talk says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
Western Route please...
Hate to see it happen, but it is looking like one of the solutions.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Western Route please...[/p][/quote]Hate to see it happen, but it is looking like one of the solutions. shy talk
  • Score: 9

12:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Saddler says...

Why not let a building firm takeaway one of the lanes approaching ASDA/ Boot hill from the town? They could do it in August when the town is at its busiest!
Why not let a building firm takeaway one of the lanes approaching ASDA/ Boot hill from the town? They could do it in August when the town is at its busiest! Saddler
  • Score: 39

12:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dolphin.zone says...

the worst by far part of weymouths traffic system is the traffic light mess by the asda turning st the bottom of boot hill
the worst by far part of weymouths traffic system is the traffic light mess by the asda turning st the bottom of boot hill dolphin.zone
  • Score: 51

1:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Thought Provoker says...

Merging lanes are fine and they work in America like a dream. Part of the issue is the drivers who think merge means accelerate to win at all costs!!
Merging lanes are fine and they work in America like a dream. Part of the issue is the drivers who think merge means accelerate to win at all costs!! Thought Provoker
  • Score: 34

1:55pm Wed 13 Aug 14

opera lover says...

It's funny I was sitting in well ordered moving traffic through town the other day and was thinking thank goodness that they got rid of the roundabouts!

If people used the lanes properly and merged in turn as the highway code states instead of racing to prevent other people using the system properly 'pushing in' (much the same as the childish morons who don't use the same system as it is designed for at the top of the Ridgeway) then the system would work much better.

If people used BOTH lanes instead of all being too scared to queue in the outside lane because it will involve them actually using some basic driving skills then the whole system would flow much more smoothly and the queues would be shorter.

Result of my 'probe' of the traffic system: system user error!
It's funny I was sitting in well ordered moving traffic through town the other day and was thinking thank goodness that they got rid of the roundabouts! If people used the lanes properly and merged in turn as the highway code states instead of racing to prevent other people using the system properly 'pushing in' (much the same as the childish morons who don't use the same system as it is designed for at the top of the Ridgeway) then the system would work much better. If people used BOTH lanes instead of all being too scared to queue in the outside lane because it will involve them actually using some basic driving skills then the whole system would flow much more smoothly and the queues would be shorter. Result of my 'probe' of the traffic system: system user error! opera lover
  • Score: 8

2:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dogloverdorset says...

I agree Opera Lover- people do not understand the merge in turn concept - you see this every morning at the top of the Ridegway by the bridge where lemmings sat in tailbacks in the left hand lane and tut tut at the drivers who correctly use both lanes, and then try to prevent them merging !!
I agree Opera Lover- people do not understand the merge in turn concept - you see this every morning at the top of the Ridegway by the bridge where lemmings sat in tailbacks in the left hand lane and tut tut at the drivers who correctly use both lanes, and then try to prevent them merging !! dogloverdorset
  • Score: 15

2:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

costyanddugs says...

Intelligent traffic lights seem to operate in the low IQ bracket.They certainly have not been the hallowed improvement over the roundabouts we were led to believe. The millions spent on the scheme to coincide with the "surge of tourists" for the Olympics was a waste, as the "surge" was but a trickle!
The Boot Hill , Asda system is illogical and dangerous. I use it most days and see the confusion caused by this layout. Typically something designed by an office based theorist on a computer but with little understanding of how drivers, cars and pedestrians behave!
Intelligent traffic lights seem to operate in the low IQ bracket.They certainly have not been the hallowed improvement over the roundabouts we were led to believe. The millions spent on the scheme to coincide with the "surge of tourists" for the Olympics was a waste, as the "surge" was but a trickle! The Boot Hill , Asda system is illogical and dangerous. I use it most days and see the confusion caused by this layout. Typically something designed by an office based theorist on a computer but with little understanding of how drivers, cars and pedestrians behave! costyanddugs
  • Score: 46

2:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

martaaay2 says...

scubadude wrote:
Why wasn't this done BEFORE they dropped £9million on changes?
Nothing will be changed obviously as it costs too much so for a cheap solution can we PLEASE have 6ft fences around the Clock Tower junction to force the stupid pedestrians who insist on crossing to use the tunnel and proper crossing rather than wandering across the road like lost sheep?
Seconded, the lights are always on green for a direction of traffic so anyone crossing here is always going to be taking a risk

Lets also not forget the 'free flowing' roundabouts were very often blocked by cars not leaving exits clear
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: Why wasn't this done BEFORE they dropped £9million on changes? Nothing will be changed obviously as it costs too much so for a cheap solution can we PLEASE have 6ft fences around the Clock Tower junction to force the stupid pedestrians who insist on crossing to use the tunnel and proper crossing rather than wandering across the road like lost sheep?[/p][/quote]Seconded, the lights are always on green for a direction of traffic so anyone crossing here is always going to be taking a risk Lets also not forget the 'free flowing' roundabouts were very often blocked by cars not leaving exits clear martaaay2
  • Score: 13

2:39pm Wed 13 Aug 14

35vulcan35 says...

It isn't rocket science - all that's needle is:
*remove traffic lights and all clutter at asda junction, resurrect roundabout. Install pedestrian underpass.
*remove traffic lights outside Rodwell pub, resurrect roundabout. Put in zebra or leave pelicans.
*get rid of all 2 into 1 lanes, eliminating competition and aggression.
*get rid of traffic lights at clock tower, resurrect roundabout, complete pedestrian underpasses properly.
*get rid off bus lanes at Boot Hill and promenade.
*install proper cycle lanes on promenade and greenhill.
*get rid of all traffic lights and clutter on top of overpass radipole lake. Replace with roundabouts and pelicans or zebras.
*elect councillors and transport managers who will actually listen to, and act upon the wishes of residents, pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and traders
It isn't rocket science - all that's needle is: *remove traffic lights and all clutter at asda junction, resurrect roundabout. Install pedestrian underpass. *remove traffic lights outside Rodwell pub, resurrect roundabout. Put in zebra or leave pelicans. *get rid of all 2 into 1 lanes, eliminating competition and aggression. *get rid of traffic lights at clock tower, resurrect roundabout, complete pedestrian underpasses properly. *get rid off bus lanes at Boot Hill and promenade. *install proper cycle lanes on promenade and greenhill. *get rid of all traffic lights and clutter on top of overpass radipole lake. Replace with roundabouts and pelicans or zebras. *elect councillors and transport managers who will actually listen to, and act upon the wishes of residents, pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and traders 35vulcan35
  • Score: 66

2:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

tarka says...

Why cannot we have the best of both roundabout and lights similar to Taunton. Traffic lights on the roundabouts that come in to play during periods of heavy traffic and congestion to keep the traffic flowing.

Weymouth removes the roundabouts yet many countries are now following the British roundabout model and installing them
Why cannot we have the best of both roundabout and lights similar to Taunton. Traffic lights on the roundabouts that come in to play during periods of heavy traffic and congestion to keep the traffic flowing. Weymouth removes the roundabouts yet many countries are now following the British roundabout model and installing them tarka
  • Score: 46

3:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

radiator says...

Put the bus stops back to debenhams especially no 1 as it serves Wyke and Portland with a lot of people,their is a lot of people I know have gone back to using their cars as they have to walk up to the statue or Westwey rd to get the bus.Thats fine if you are not elderly or infirm to walk that farbut by having the stop at Debenhams would ease the chaos at the statue as it is at the moment.
Put the bus stops back to debenhams especially no 1 as it serves Wyke and Portland with a lot of people,their is a lot of people I know have gone back to using their cars as they have to walk up to the statue or Westwey rd to get the bus.Thats fine if you are not elderly or infirm to walk that farbut by having the stop at Debenhams would ease the chaos at the statue as it is at the moment. radiator
  • Score: 24

4:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

keeman says...

I think the current system works reasonable well.
I don't think roundabouts are the answer. If you lived in Southill
you will understand how difficult it can be to access Granby Roundabout and the football roundabout due to heavy traffic, which these days appears constant.
Where is all this traffic going - To and From Portland I believe.
What's needed is to re think the proposed Western Relief Road, and take the pressure of the town centre
I think the current system works reasonable well. I don't think roundabouts are the answer. If you lived in Southill you will understand how difficult it can be to access Granby Roundabout and the football roundabout due to heavy traffic, which these days appears constant. Where is all this traffic going - To and From Portland I believe. What's needed is to re think the proposed Western Relief Road, and take the pressure of the town centre keeman
  • Score: -6

5:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

gilly848 says...

I used to love that roundabout near ASDA - It served it's purpose perfectly and the tress on it were beautiful to look at too!
What we have now is pure HELL - even for us who are familiar with it.
Please please, if you don't do anything else in Weymouth, reinstate the Boot hill roundabout.
I used to love that roundabout near ASDA - It served it's purpose perfectly and the tress on it were beautiful to look at too! What we have now is pure HELL - even for us who are familiar with it. Please please, if you don't do anything else in Weymouth, reinstate the Boot hill roundabout. gilly848
  • Score: 43

5:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

monkeydog says...

Roundabouts are being introduced across Europe and America. We are thirty years behind again.
Roundabouts are being introduced across Europe and America. We are thirty years behind again. monkeydog
  • Score: 26

5:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

PossumGoose says...

I know it sounds a bit negative, but . . . with the headline "Experts to probe" you can bet any public opinion will be totally disregarded and, being experts, they will end up with an even more complicated system. They need complexity to show how clever they are and to justify their fees. After all no money in the obvious - put back the roundabouts.
I know it sounds a bit negative, but . . . with the headline "Experts to probe" you can bet any public opinion will be totally disregarded and, being experts, they will end up with an even more complicated system. They need complexity to show how clever they are and to justify their fees. After all no money in the obvious - put back the roundabouts. PossumGoose
  • Score: 25

5:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

bentleyboy says...

You are 100% correct, the Boot Hill roundabout always worked fairly well, looked beautiful and now its a complete and utter nightmare, for anyone to attempt to use, causing long queues either side every day, like the traffic leaving Weymouth town centre every day, forced to cram into one lane by Kings Statue, all because some idiot decided to build an underpass just for drunks and druggies to use at night. ' INTELLIGENT' traffic light system ! Just a complete and utter joke to waste our taxes so stupidly !
You are 100% correct, the Boot Hill roundabout always worked fairly well, looked beautiful and now its a complete and utter nightmare, for anyone to attempt to use, causing long queues either side every day, like the traffic leaving Weymouth town centre every day, forced to cram into one lane by Kings Statue, all because some idiot decided to build an underpass just for drunks and druggies to use at night. ' INTELLIGENT' traffic light system ! Just a complete and utter joke to waste our taxes so stupidly ! bentleyboy
  • Score: 32

6:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Noidear says...

All those who so love roundabouts move to Swindon or Milton Keynes , traffic queues every rush hour they only work with low volumes of traffic, even the dorchester bypass roundabouts r a nightmare. One thing they could do is put cameras on the traffic lights, try stop all the red light jumpers.
All those who so love roundabouts move to Swindon or Milton Keynes , traffic queues every rush hour they only work with low volumes of traffic, even the dorchester bypass roundabouts r a nightmare. One thing they could do is put cameras on the traffic lights, try stop all the red light jumpers. Noidear
  • Score: -12

7:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

La Vigneron says...

OMG not another 'expert' at, no doubt, vast expense to the taxpayer and, in all probability, a 'friend' of a councillor. The best definition I've ever heard of an expert is:
ex, as in has been and spert as in a drip under pressure. Kimble was the last person I remember to foul up the system, I use that term 'system' loosely. Wonder what the next one will come up with, toll lanes?
OMG not another 'expert' at, no doubt, vast expense to the taxpayer and, in all probability, a 'friend' of a councillor. The best definition I've ever heard of an expert is: ex, as in has been and spert as in a drip under pressure. Kimble was the last person I remember to foul up the system, I use that term 'system' loosely. Wonder what the next one will come up with, toll lanes? La Vigneron
  • Score: 10

7:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Fraggle says...

If the traffic lights work so well at boot hill, then why does the illuminated sign near morrisons roundabout always say that 'boot hill is congested and to use granby way'?! Surely thats a sign that something needs to be sorted?! I vote bring the roundabouts back If not then sort the lane out for those coming down boot hill and wanting to turn right. The light doesnt stay green long enough, the traffic builds up the hill and theres boot hill congested! I avoid all the new traffic lights where possible now and use the routes with roundabouts
If the traffic lights work so well at boot hill, then why does the illuminated sign near morrisons roundabout always say that 'boot hill is congested and to use granby way'?! Surely thats a sign that something needs to be sorted?! I vote bring the roundabouts back If not then sort the lane out for those coming down boot hill and wanting to turn right. The light doesnt stay green long enough, the traffic builds up the hill and theres boot hill congested! I avoid all the new traffic lights where possible now and use the routes with roundabouts Fraggle
  • Score: 21

7:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Fraggle says...

If the traffic lights work so well at boot hill, then why does the illuminated sign near morrisons roundabout always say that 'boot hill is congested and to use granby way'?! Surely thats a sign that something needs to be sorted?! I vote bring the roundabouts back, If not then sort the lane out for those coming down boot hill and wanting to turn right. The light doesnt stay green long enough, the traffic builds up the hill and theres boot hill congested! I avoid all the new traffic lights where possible now and this was a major deciding factor when I moved house last year.
If the traffic lights work so well at boot hill, then why does the illuminated sign near morrisons roundabout always say that 'boot hill is congested and to use granby way'?! Surely thats a sign that something needs to be sorted?! I vote bring the roundabouts back, If not then sort the lane out for those coming down boot hill and wanting to turn right. The light doesnt stay green long enough, the traffic builds up the hill and theres boot hill congested! I avoid all the new traffic lights where possible now and this was a major deciding factor when I moved house last year. Fraggle
  • Score: 13

7:44pm Wed 13 Aug 14

banknote says...

Would it be too much to ask that the ex-head of Highways at DCC, "Andy" Ackerman and his deputy Matthew Piles; be asked to personally contribute financially to this latest survey?

After all, it was their lack of listening to the public concern of the "Weymouth Transport Package" that has got Weymouth's roads into the current mess!
Would it be too much to ask that the ex-head of Highways at DCC, "Andy" Ackerman and his deputy Matthew Piles; be asked to personally contribute financially to this latest survey? After all, it was their lack of listening to the public concern of the "Weymouth Transport Package" that has got Weymouth's roads into the current mess! banknote
  • Score: 28

8:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Caption Sensible says...

I think people need to wake up to the fact that Weymouth is not Lyme Regis or West Bay, it is more akin to Bournemouth or Poole and needs a transport infrastructure to match.

The Borough is far bigger and busier than it was 20 years ago.

Most of the problems with ASDA, Boot Hill, Rodwell, Buxton Road and Portland Road can be alleviated by constructing the missing link in the recent road building programme; the Western Route.
I think people need to wake up to the fact that Weymouth is not Lyme Regis or West Bay, it is more akin to Bournemouth or Poole and needs a transport infrastructure to match. The Borough is far bigger and busier than it was 20 years ago. Most of the problems with ASDA, Boot Hill, Rodwell, Buxton Road and Portland Road can be alleviated by constructing the missing link in the recent road building programme; the Western Route. Caption Sensible
  • Score: 8

9:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Weston7 says...

keeman wrote:
I think the current system works reasonable well.
I don't think roundabouts are the answer. If you lived in Southill
you will understand how difficult it can be to access Granby Roundabout and the football roundabout due to heavy traffic, which these days appears constant.
Where is all this traffic going - To and From Portland I believe.
What's needed is to re think the proposed Western Relief Road, and take the pressure of the town centre
Lanehouse and Granby are taking more traffic because that's where the DCC signs at Wyke direct them. That's the devious way to reduce pressure on the Town Centre signals. Yes the Western Bypass is the only true answer.
[quote][p][bold]keeman[/bold] wrote: I think the current system works reasonable well. I don't think roundabouts are the answer. If you lived in Southill you will understand how difficult it can be to access Granby Roundabout and the football roundabout due to heavy traffic, which these days appears constant. Where is all this traffic going - To and From Portland I believe. What's needed is to re think the proposed Western Relief Road, and take the pressure of the town centre[/p][/quote]Lanehouse and Granby are taking more traffic because that's where the DCC signs at Wyke direct them. That's the devious way to reduce pressure on the Town Centre signals. Yes the Western Bypass is the only true answer. Weston7
  • Score: 9

9:44pm Wed 13 Aug 14

osmington4 says...

Weymouth is a tiny town in comparison to the likes of Bournemouth. There are roughly 13 sets of traffic lights from Lodmoor to Portland! which is completely ridiculous considering the area being covered. The lights insitu take forever to change which holds the traffic up even more. I would like to see all the traffic lights abolished and to go back to the initial, brilliant set up we had which was roundabouts. Pure and simple they looked great and gave the town character, which it is sadly lacking.
Weymouth is a tiny town in comparison to the likes of Bournemouth. There are roughly 13 sets of traffic lights from Lodmoor to Portland! which is completely ridiculous considering the area being covered. The lights insitu take forever to change which holds the traffic up even more. I would like to see all the traffic lights abolished and to go back to the initial, brilliant set up we had which was roundabouts. Pure and simple they looked great and gave the town character, which it is sadly lacking. osmington4
  • Score: 18

9:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Portlandjerry says...

We'll said Captain Sensible,the only way to get an HGV to Portland without them having to negotiate very steep hills and narrow roads & junctions is to build the Western Relief road along the Fleet.
What a difference this would make to the population of Rodwell&Wyke,(think of the northern end of Dorchester Rd now!)
This would also give the largely empty Portland Harbour a chance to expand and hopefully bring Real Jobs (not seasonal) to the area and give local youngsters etc a chance to build a worthwhile career.
We'll said Captain Sensible,the only way to get an HGV to Portland without them having to negotiate very steep hills and narrow roads & junctions is to build the Western Relief road along the Fleet. What a difference this would make to the population of Rodwell&Wyke,(think of the northern end of Dorchester Rd now!) This would also give the largely empty Portland Harbour a chance to expand and hopefully bring Real Jobs (not seasonal) to the area and give local youngsters etc a chance to build a worthwhile career. Portlandjerry
  • Score: 15

10:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Turk says...

I have studied the use of roundabouts for many years because I think they are logically better than traffic lights. So, why don't they seem to work properly ? My observations ( over many years) show that only 50% of drivers signal when leaving a roundabout. The result is that anyone waiting to enter the roundabout is delayed for a couple of seconds because they do not know whether the car is coming around the roundabout or not. Add up all these delays and you get your traffic jam. So, if you are reading this, there is a 50% chance that you are part of the problem. I see no solution to the problem because lack of concern for those around you seems to be a national pastime nowadays.
I have studied the use of roundabouts for many years because I think they are logically better than traffic lights. So, why don't they seem to work properly ? My observations ( over many years) show that only 50% of drivers signal when leaving a roundabout. The result is that anyone waiting to enter the roundabout is delayed for a couple of seconds because they do not know whether the car is coming around the roundabout or not. Add up all these delays and you get your traffic jam. So, if you are reading this, there is a 50% chance that you are part of the problem. I see no solution to the problem because lack of concern for those around you seems to be a national pastime nowadays. Turk
  • Score: 19

10:18pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ex-Amb-Serv says...

How about some common sense for a refreshing change?
How about some common sense for a refreshing change? Ex-Amb-Serv
  • Score: 6

10:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Bio8787 says...

Why did they change it in the first place. I live in Wyke Regis and when the Roundabouts were there even in the summer it took me less than 40 minutes to get to work (Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester). Now the traffic lights are there it takes over around 55 minutes kicking on an hour mostly everyday and in the summer it now takes 1 hr and 30 mins it is a disgrace about 40-50 minutes longer than it use to take in the summer. The council got a grant I was told for anything road related they could make the traffic lights or make some sections of the A354 (main Weymouth road) Dual carriageway. Although I dont think the second one is true. Why can we not have are simple roundabouts back
Why did they change it in the first place. I live in Wyke Regis and when the Roundabouts were there even in the summer it took me less than 40 minutes to get to work (Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester). Now the traffic lights are there it takes over around 55 minutes kicking on an hour mostly everyday and in the summer it now takes 1 hr and 30 mins it is a disgrace about 40-50 minutes longer than it use to take in the summer. The council got a grant I was told for anything road related they could make the traffic lights or make some sections of the A354 (main Weymouth road) Dual carriageway. Although I dont think the second one is true. Why can we not have are simple roundabouts back Bio8787
  • Score: 11

10:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Bio8787 says...

Portlandjerry wrote:
We'll said Captain Sensible,the only way to get an HGV to Portland without them having to negotiate very steep hills and narrow roads & junctions is to build the Western Relief road along the Fleet.
What a difference this would make to the population of Rodwell&Wyke,(th
ink of the northern end of Dorchester Rd now!)
This would also give the largely empty Portland Harbour a chance to expand and hopefully bring Real Jobs (not seasonal) to the area and give local youngsters etc a chance to build a worthwhile career.
Where would it start and how would you get to it
[quote][p][bold]Portlandjerry[/bold] wrote: We'll said Captain Sensible,the only way to get an HGV to Portland without them having to negotiate very steep hills and narrow roads & junctions is to build the Western Relief road along the Fleet. What a difference this would make to the population of Rodwell&Wyke,(th ink of the northern end of Dorchester Rd now!) This would also give the largely empty Portland Harbour a chance to expand and hopefully bring Real Jobs (not seasonal) to the area and give local youngsters etc a chance to build a worthwhile career.[/p][/quote]Where would it start and how would you get to it Bio8787
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Portlandjerry says...

Chickerell Link estate traffic lights to a new roundabout to the north of the new Ferry Bridge (this was why the new bridge was built there instead of replacing the original)
Chickerell Link estate traffic lights to a new roundabout to the north of the new Ferry Bridge (this was why the new bridge was built there instead of replacing the original) Portlandjerry
  • Score: 1

12:08am Thu 14 Aug 14

Houdini says...

One way system for town center: Coming in, B3155 Bridge one way into King Street. Left or Right turn at Clock on Esplanade with one way toward Kings Statue. One way into Westham Road to Westham Bridge. Re-open Westham Bridge to continue flow back to Westway Road, which will continue to be two way from that point.
This will help Ferry, Coach and and Town traffic access all routes, without being directed through congested areas.
Ideally, for this to work well, Westham traffic lights should revert back to being a roundabout.
As for Asda, well, I have to agree with almost everyone else, roundabout is the answer.
One way system for town center: Coming in, B3155 Bridge one way into King Street. Left or Right turn at Clock on Esplanade with one way toward Kings Statue. One way into Westham Road to Westham Bridge. Re-open Westham Bridge to continue flow back to Westway Road, which will continue to be two way from that point. This will help Ferry, Coach and and Town traffic access all routes, without being directed through congested areas. Ideally, for this to work well, Westham traffic lights should revert back to being a roundabout. As for Asda, well, I have to agree with almost everyone else, roundabout is the answer. Houdini
  • Score: 9

12:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

fastjet says...

35vulcan35 wrote:
It isn't rocket science - all that's needle is:
*remove traffic lights and all clutter at asda junction, resurrect roundabout. Install pedestrian underpass.
*remove traffic lights outside Rodwell pub, resurrect roundabout. Put in zebra or leave pelicans.
*get rid of all 2 into 1 lanes, eliminating competition and aggression.
*get rid of traffic lights at clock tower, resurrect roundabout, complete pedestrian underpasses properly.
*get rid off bus lanes at Boot Hill and promenade.
*install proper cycle lanes on promenade and greenhill.
*get rid of all traffic lights and clutter on top of overpass radipole lake. Replace with roundabouts and pelicans or zebras.
*elect councillors and transport managers who will actually listen to, and act upon the wishes of residents, pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and traders
Just make Weymouth a car free zone. That will sort out all congestion problems.
[quote][p][bold]35vulcan35[/bold] wrote: It isn't rocket science - all that's needle is: *remove traffic lights and all clutter at asda junction, resurrect roundabout. Install pedestrian underpass. *remove traffic lights outside Rodwell pub, resurrect roundabout. Put in zebra or leave pelicans. *get rid of all 2 into 1 lanes, eliminating competition and aggression. *get rid of traffic lights at clock tower, resurrect roundabout, complete pedestrian underpasses properly. *get rid off bus lanes at Boot Hill and promenade. *install proper cycle lanes on promenade and greenhill. *get rid of all traffic lights and clutter on top of overpass radipole lake. Replace with roundabouts and pelicans or zebras. *elect councillors and transport managers who will actually listen to, and act upon the wishes of residents, pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and traders[/p][/quote]Just make Weymouth a car free zone. That will sort out all congestion problems. fastjet
  • Score: -25

2:03am Thu 14 Aug 14

Hippyhooker says...

"This time the auditors will take into account accident records to look at any trends" .......That should take all of five seconds then due to there being none !
"This time the auditors will take into account accident records to look at any trends" .......That should take all of five seconds then due to there being none ! Hippyhooker
  • Score: -6

4:45am Thu 14 Aug 14

Chick1 says...

The other problem at the asda junction is that the traffic lights are green for vehicles travelling in the same direction in certain lanes which could result in a head on collision, whoever agreed to this! Also the road traffic calming on Dorchester road has not calmed anything. I have seen several near misses at the island at the post office in upwey. Problem there cars park before the island which reduces visibility to see on coming traffic and there are cars parked the other side of the island with no where to pull in to allow lorries past. Further on Dorchester road before the turning to join relief road parking is now allowed, again motor homes and vehicles do not allow any space to pull in to allow on coming traffic to pass. Who has agreed all these dangerous decisions in Weymouth!
The other problem at the asda junction is that the traffic lights are green for vehicles travelling in the same direction in certain lanes which could result in a head on collision, whoever agreed to this! Also the road traffic calming on Dorchester road has not calmed anything. I have seen several near misses at the island at the post office in upwey. Problem there cars park before the island which reduces visibility to see on coming traffic and there are cars parked the other side of the island with no where to pull in to allow lorries past. Further on Dorchester road before the turning to join relief road parking is now allowed, again motor homes and vehicles do not allow any space to pull in to allow on coming traffic to pass. Who has agreed all these dangerous decisions in Weymouth! Chick1
  • Score: 10

6:12am Thu 14 Aug 14

Be_Happy says...

Hippyhooker wrote:
"This time the auditors will take into account accident records to look at any trends" .......That should take all of five seconds then due to there being none !
Oh come on - I have seen many a dent and a scrape at the Asda roundabout, nothing serious, but many insurance claims.
[quote][p][bold]Hippyhooker[/bold] wrote: "This time the auditors will take into account accident records to look at any trends" .......That should take all of five seconds then due to there being none ![/p][/quote]Oh come on - I have seen many a dent and a scrape at the Asda roundabout, nothing serious, but many insurance claims. Be_Happy
  • Score: 10

8:21am Thu 14 Aug 14

The Fish says...

Bio8787 wrote:
Why did they change it in the first place. I live in Wyke Regis and when the Roundabouts were there even in the summer it took me less than 40 minutes to get to work (Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester). Now the traffic lights are there it takes over around 55 minutes kicking on an hour mostly everyday and in the summer it now takes 1 hr and 30 mins it is a disgrace about 40-50 minutes longer than it use to take in the summer. The council got a grant I was told for anything road related they could make the traffic lights or make some sections of the A354 (main Weymouth road) Dual carriageway. Although I dont think the second one is true. Why can we not have are simple roundabouts back
If you live in Wyke you should be taking the preferred Granby route and not via Boot Hill!
[quote][p][bold]Bio8787[/bold] wrote: Why did they change it in the first place. I live in Wyke Regis and when the Roundabouts were there even in the summer it took me less than 40 minutes to get to work (Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester). Now the traffic lights are there it takes over around 55 minutes kicking on an hour mostly everyday and in the summer it now takes 1 hr and 30 mins it is a disgrace about 40-50 minutes longer than it use to take in the summer. The council got a grant I was told for anything road related they could make the traffic lights or make some sections of the A354 (main Weymouth road) Dual carriageway. Although I dont think the second one is true. Why can we not have are simple roundabouts back[/p][/quote]If you live in Wyke you should be taking the preferred Granby route and not via Boot Hill! The Fish
  • Score: -8

8:32am Thu 14 Aug 14

railwaychickenboy6 says...

They spent millions giving us our Olympic legacy and still can't get it right
They spent millions giving us our Olympic legacy and still can't get it right railwaychickenboy6
  • Score: 8

1:47pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Westlain says...

In a perfect world, merging lanes should work. It's not a perfect world though, there will always be a lot of inconsiderate/impati
ent/distracted drivers who push in. Either get rid of the merging or put big signs up "Merge in turn". The big arrows on the road don't help as they suggest that one lane has the right of way. As far as Boot Hill is concerned, the road markings are very confusing, especially if you're new to the system. Residents seem to have got the hang of it, but we shouldn't have to "learn" how to use particular junctions which should be standard across the country. Agree with the person who suggested, (tongue in cheek?!) , to block off the inside lane from the town bridge to the Boot Hill junction in the busy month of August. What can you say?
In a perfect world, merging lanes should work. It's not a perfect world though, there will always be a lot of inconsiderate/impati ent/distracted drivers who push in. Either get rid of the merging or put big signs up "Merge in turn". The big arrows on the road don't help as they suggest that one lane has the right of way. As far as Boot Hill is concerned, the road markings are very confusing, especially if you're new to the system. Residents seem to have got the hang of it, but we shouldn't have to "learn" how to use particular junctions which should be standard across the country. Agree with the person who suggested, (tongue in cheek?!) , to block off the inside lane from the town bridge to the Boot Hill junction in the busy month of August. What can you say? Westlain
  • Score: 5

2:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

caapprentice says...

Westlain says...In a perfect world, merging lanes should work. It's not a perfect world though, there will always be a lot of inconsiderate/impati
ent/distracted drivers who push in.

So when two cars start off at the same time from Westwey Road to go on to Weymouth Way, how are the drivers to know who merges with whom? Neither has priority at the time the lights change. Are they to stop on the Abbotsbury Road junction, each motioning to the other that they should take precedence?
IMHO these merging signs painted on the road surface are a waste of time and merely cause confusion.
The lanes at the north end of Westway Road should be changed to allow only left turns from the left-hand lane and other merge points deleted because the distance from the junction to the merge point is too short.
Westlain says...In a perfect world, merging lanes should work. It's not a perfect world though, there will always be a lot of inconsiderate/impati ent/distracted drivers who push in. So when two cars start off at the same time from Westwey Road to go on to Weymouth Way, how are the drivers to know who merges with whom? Neither has priority at the time the lights change. Are they to stop on the Abbotsbury Road junction, each motioning to the other that they should take precedence? IMHO these merging signs painted on the road surface are a waste of time and merely cause confusion. The lanes at the north end of Westway Road should be changed to allow only left turns from the left-hand lane and other merge points deleted because the distance from the junction to the merge point is too short. caapprentice
  • Score: 4

2:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Westlain says...

Good point caapprentice. Coming off Abbotsbury Road to the Swannery bridge, or off the bridge into Kings road, or off the bridge and right along commercial road are all total confusion.
Good point caapprentice. Coming off Abbotsbury Road to the Swannery bridge, or off the bridge into Kings road, or off the bridge and right along commercial road are all total confusion. Westlain
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Sicknfedup says...

Delighted to see that 'experts' will do the review. Firstly though one should know the definition of 'expert' --- 'X' is the unknown quantity and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure. This perhaps explains why the town centre traffic system works less well now than ever in Weymouth's last 25 years!
It would take only a handful of residents who regularly drive through town to come up with a solution. Less traffic lights, a suitable one way system to avoid traffic crossing itself and somehow make the pedestrians use the crossings properly! Oh, and yes - get everyone to show some manners!!
Delighted to see that 'experts' will do the review. Firstly though one should know the definition of 'expert' --- 'X' is the unknown quantity and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure. This perhaps explains why the town centre traffic system works less well now than ever in Weymouth's last 25 years! It would take only a handful of residents who regularly drive through town to come up with a solution. Less traffic lights, a suitable one way system to avoid traffic crossing itself and somehow make the pedestrians use the crossings properly! Oh, and yes - get everyone to show some manners!! Sicknfedup
  • Score: 5

4:47pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Artstudent says...

How about this as a solution?

Ban ALL motor vehicles from Weymouth town itself apart from deliveries and emergency vehicles.

Build a multi storey car park where the gas holder is presently and only allow those who have travelled over 5 miles to park there.
Everyone else can use the regular bus system (free for pensioners), cycle in using the extensive network of cycle lanes, or walk.

There is no point building endless new roads everywhere and sitting watching them clog up one after the other with lazy motorists who have demonstrated that they can't use the present ones properly.

The car, and its worshippers, is the problem, not the solution, more so in Weymouth where there will never be more space than we have already.
How about this as a solution? Ban ALL motor vehicles from Weymouth town itself apart from deliveries and emergency vehicles. Build a multi storey car park where the gas holder is presently and only allow those who have travelled over 5 miles to park there. Everyone else can use the regular bus system (free for pensioners), cycle in using the extensive network of cycle lanes, or walk. There is no point building endless new roads everywhere and sitting watching them clog up one after the other with lazy motorists who have demonstrated that they can't use the present ones properly. The car, and its worshippers, is the problem, not the solution, more so in Weymouth where there will never be more space than we have already. Artstudent
  • Score: -11

6:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

FrancisKing says...

Sicknfedup wrote:
Delighted to see that 'experts' will do the review. Firstly though one should know the definition of 'expert' --- 'X' is the unknown quantity and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure. This perhaps explains why the town centre traffic system works less well now than ever in Weymouth's last 25 years!
It would take only a handful of residents who regularly drive through town to come up with a solution. Less traffic lights, a suitable one way system to avoid traffic crossing itself and somehow make the pedestrians use the crossings properly! Oh, and yes - get everyone to show some manners!!
@Sicknfedup

"Firstly though one should know the definition of 'expert' --- 'X' is the unknown quantity and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure ....Oh, and yes - get everyone to show some manners!!"

Priceless irony.
[quote][p][bold]Sicknfedup[/bold] wrote: Delighted to see that 'experts' will do the review. Firstly though one should know the definition of 'expert' --- 'X' is the unknown quantity and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure. This perhaps explains why the town centre traffic system works less well now than ever in Weymouth's last 25 years! It would take only a handful of residents who regularly drive through town to come up with a solution. Less traffic lights, a suitable one way system to avoid traffic crossing itself and somehow make the pedestrians use the crossings properly! Oh, and yes - get everyone to show some manners!![/p][/quote]@Sicknfedup "Firstly though one should know the definition of 'expert' --- 'X' is the unknown quantity and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure ....Oh, and yes - get everyone to show some manners!!" Priceless irony. FrancisKing
  • Score: 2

8:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Jezebella says...

Park district has become a nightmare since these 'improvements' were put in place as it was taking up to 20 mins (no exaggeration) to get out of the Queen Street junction. The junction's been improved since the hatch markings were put in place but often cars can't leave Queen Street as the traffic is blocked back on King Street preventing any movement from Queen Street. If the lights really had been 'intelligent' they all would have been on green at the same time allowing the traffic to flow. This junction was never that much of a problem before. Other than that the pedestrian crossings on Esplanade are ridiculous - they're not intelligent at all and even when there is no traffic coming they don't change to allow pedestrians across, but then change as a car approaches! Asda junction is plain dangerous, but enough other people have complained of this, and the filtering system doesn't work when you've got two lanes merging to one lane in such a short space of road. They work where the road systems allow for adequate time for the filtering to take place. I have been driving for 24 years and am used to city driving but I still hate driving through Weymouth since the roadworks were put in place. It makes even the most placid driver get road rage.
Park district has become a nightmare since these 'improvements' were put in place as it was taking up to 20 mins (no exaggeration) to get out of the Queen Street junction. The junction's been improved since the hatch markings were put in place but often cars can't leave Queen Street as the traffic is blocked back on King Street preventing any movement from Queen Street. If the lights really had been 'intelligent' they all would have been on green at the same time allowing the traffic to flow. This junction was never that much of a problem before. Other than that the pedestrian crossings on Esplanade are ridiculous - they're not intelligent at all and even when there is no traffic coming they don't change to allow pedestrians across, but then change as a car approaches! Asda junction is plain dangerous, but enough other people have complained of this, and the filtering system doesn't work when you've got two lanes merging to one lane in such a short space of road. They work where the road systems allow for adequate time for the filtering to take place. I have been driving for 24 years and am used to city driving but I still hate driving through Weymouth since the roadworks were put in place. It makes even the most placid driver get road rage. Jezebella
  • Score: 7

8:38pm Thu 14 Aug 14

tarka says...

Artstudent wrote:
How about this as a solution?

Ban ALL motor vehicles from Weymouth town itself apart from deliveries and emergency vehicles.

Build a multi storey car park where the gas holder is presently and only allow those who have travelled over 5 miles to park there.
Everyone else can use the regular bus system (free for pensioners), cycle in using the extensive network of cycle lanes, or walk.

There is no point building endless new roads everywhere and sitting watching them clog up one after the other with lazy motorists who have demonstrated that they can't use the present ones properly.

The car, and its worshippers, is the problem, not the solution, more so in Weymouth where there will never be more space than we have already.
That's sure to make everybody want to come to Weymouth to shop, eat use the cinema etc. Not everyday is summer dry not every purchase is feather light. Not all people have your mobility.
stick to your painting
[quote][p][bold]Artstudent[/bold] wrote: How about this as a solution? Ban ALL motor vehicles from Weymouth town itself apart from deliveries and emergency vehicles. Build a multi storey car park where the gas holder is presently and only allow those who have travelled over 5 miles to park there. Everyone else can use the regular bus system (free for pensioners), cycle in using the extensive network of cycle lanes, or walk. There is no point building endless new roads everywhere and sitting watching them clog up one after the other with lazy motorists who have demonstrated that they can't use the present ones properly. The car, and its worshippers, is the problem, not the solution, more so in Weymouth where there will never be more space than we have already.[/p][/quote]That's sure to make everybody want to come to Weymouth to shop, eat use the cinema etc. Not everyday is summer dry not every purchase is feather light. Not all people have your mobility. stick to your painting tarka
  • Score: 5

12:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Caption Sensible says...

Bio8787 wrote:
Why did they change it in the first place. I live in Wyke Regis and when the Roundabouts were there even in the summer it took me less than 40 minutes to get to work (Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester). Now the traffic lights are there it takes over around 55 minutes kicking on an hour mostly everyday and in the summer it now takes 1 hr and 30 mins it is a disgrace about 40-50 minutes longer than it use to take in the summer. The council got a grant I was told for anything road related they could make the traffic lights or make some sections of the A354 (main Weymouth road) Dual carriageway. Although I dont think the second one is true. Why can we not have are simple roundabouts back
Well I manage to travel from the southern part of Weymouth to Ferndown and vice-versa in less than an hour, each way, so I am not sure which route you take?

Or are you cycling?
[quote][p][bold]Bio8787[/bold] wrote: Why did they change it in the first place. I live in Wyke Regis and when the Roundabouts were there even in the summer it took me less than 40 minutes to get to work (Dorset County Hospital, Dorchester). Now the traffic lights are there it takes over around 55 minutes kicking on an hour mostly everyday and in the summer it now takes 1 hr and 30 mins it is a disgrace about 40-50 minutes longer than it use to take in the summer. The council got a grant I was told for anything road related they could make the traffic lights or make some sections of the A354 (main Weymouth road) Dual carriageway. Although I dont think the second one is true. Why can we not have are simple roundabouts back[/p][/quote]Well I manage to travel from the southern part of Weymouth to Ferndown and vice-versa in less than an hour, each way, so I am not sure which route you take? Or are you cycling? Caption Sensible
  • Score: -1

12:36pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Caption Sensible says...

It's all about traffic volume; until this is addressed and the infrastructure is increased, no amount of tinkering with lights or roundabouts will make a blind bit of difference.
It's all about traffic volume; until this is addressed and the infrastructure is increased, no amount of tinkering with lights or roundabouts will make a blind bit of difference. Caption Sensible
  • Score: -1

7:45pm Fri 15 Aug 14

mark@greenhill says...

The intelligent traffic lights were the answer, we were promised it.
Sadly, the people who designed the layout and the phasing were ever so slightly less than intelligent.
They were more interested in foisting their grand, but useless designs on this town to add to their own CV's.
The end result is a huge waste of money and more hold ups, traffic delays and idiotic rules, than you could ever have dreamt up in a lifetime of driving.
The only thing worse than all this chaos, is the fact that the people with the job title of traffic manager, or system designer, will always claim they know better than the people who live here, so nothing will change.
The intelligent traffic lights were the answer, we were promised it. Sadly, the people who designed the layout and the phasing were ever so slightly less than intelligent. They were more interested in foisting their grand, but useless designs on this town to add to their own CV's. The end result is a huge waste of money and more hold ups, traffic delays and idiotic rules, than you could ever have dreamt up in a lifetime of driving. The only thing worse than all this chaos, is the fact that the people with the job title of traffic manager, or system designer, will always claim they know better than the people who live here, so nothing will change. mark@greenhill
  • Score: 4

9:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Artstudent says...

tarka wrote:
Artstudent wrote:
How about this as a solution?

Ban ALL motor vehicles from Weymouth town itself apart from deliveries and emergency vehicles.

Build a multi storey car park where the gas holder is presently and only allow those who have travelled over 5 miles to park there.
Everyone else can use the regular bus system (free for pensioners), cycle in using the extensive network of cycle lanes, or walk.

There is no point building endless new roads everywhere and sitting watching them clog up one after the other with lazy motorists who have demonstrated that they can't use the present ones properly.

The car, and its worshippers, is the problem, not the solution, more so in Weymouth where there will never be more space than we have already.
That's sure to make everybody want to come to Weymouth to shop, eat use the cinema etc. Not everyday is summer dry not every purchase is feather light. Not all people have your mobility.
stick to your painting
Don't know if you've noticed but coming to Weymouth to shop, eat or catch a movie isn't as pleasurable experience as it could be due to lazy people who make weak excuses to justify their reliance upon the motor vehicle.

Not every day is summer dry, but there are waterproofs and umbrella's readily available and rain isn't yet composed of sulphuric acid.

Not every purchase is feather light, but most are now bought online (even supermarkets do this) and delivered, I'm also sure any shopkeeper worth buying from in Weymouth would be happy to deliver a bulky purchase for you as they are somewhat desperate for the trade.

Not all people have my mobility, well as I have much less than average and manage comfortably I don't see this as a reasonable excuse.

P.S. Painting is what art students did 40 years ago. I make light installations, I hear that's very popular around these parts?
[quote][p][bold]tarka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Artstudent[/bold] wrote: How about this as a solution? Ban ALL motor vehicles from Weymouth town itself apart from deliveries and emergency vehicles. Build a multi storey car park where the gas holder is presently and only allow those who have travelled over 5 miles to park there. Everyone else can use the regular bus system (free for pensioners), cycle in using the extensive network of cycle lanes, or walk. There is no point building endless new roads everywhere and sitting watching them clog up one after the other with lazy motorists who have demonstrated that they can't use the present ones properly. The car, and its worshippers, is the problem, not the solution, more so in Weymouth where there will never be more space than we have already.[/p][/quote]That's sure to make everybody want to come to Weymouth to shop, eat use the cinema etc. Not everyday is summer dry not every purchase is feather light. Not all people have your mobility. stick to your painting[/p][/quote]Don't know if you've noticed but coming to Weymouth to shop, eat or catch a movie isn't as pleasurable experience as it could be due to lazy people who make weak excuses to justify their reliance upon the motor vehicle. Not every day is summer dry, but there are waterproofs and umbrella's readily available and rain isn't yet composed of sulphuric acid. Not every purchase is feather light, but most are now bought online (even supermarkets do this) and delivered, I'm also sure any shopkeeper worth buying from in Weymouth would be happy to deliver a bulky purchase for you as they are somewhat desperate for the trade. Not all people have my mobility, well as I have much less than average and manage comfortably I don't see this as a reasonable excuse. P.S. Painting is what art students did 40 years ago. I make light installations, I hear that's very popular around these parts? Artstudent
  • Score: -1

7:37am Sun 17 Aug 14

mark@greenhill says...

Weymouth relies on tourists.
If you let it be known that a family visiting our town has to unload their kids, buggies and beach bags, outside of the town area and get on a bus or walk, they will simply drive to a town where they can park by the sea.

Call it lazy if you like, but it is human nature and all the social engineering in the world will not change it.

Look at the park and ride on any sunny day, it's still empty.
Weymouth relies on tourists. If you let it be known that a family visiting our town has to unload their kids, buggies and beach bags, outside of the town area and get on a bus or walk, they will simply drive to a town where they can park by the sea. Call it lazy if you like, but it is human nature and all the social engineering in the world will not change it. Look at the park and ride on any sunny day, it's still empty. mark@greenhill
  • Score: 4

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