Condor Ferries' future in resort remains uncertain

NEW FERRY: The current Condor Ferry entering Weymouth Harbour

MEETING: James Fuller

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CONDOR Ferries’ future in Weymouth remains uncertain after the company signed a new Channel Islands’ operating licence, paving the way for it to introduce a new super-ferry to replace its ageing vessels.

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council does not have the money to make berth improvements to accommodate the larger and faster ferry, which means Condor could switch sailings to Poole or another port next year.

The Austal H270, a 102-metre trimaran capable of taking 245 cars and up to 1,165 passengers, is set to enter service next Easter.

The company will operate it as a single ferry operation on cross-Channel sailings, replacing Condor Vitesse and Condor Express which currently sail from Weymouth and Poole.

The signing of a 10-year operating agreement allowing Condor Ferries to continue to offer a passenger and freight link service between the UK, Channel Islands and France was announced by the Port of Jersey.

The agreement provides ‘future stability on the vital sea route’ and also enables Condor to make ‘significant investment’ into ferry services with the purchase of the £50m Austal.

Condor wants to continue sailing from Weymouth but says the only suitable dock for the Austal is berth 1 near the Stone Pier. Upgrading it will cost the council £10m.

The borough council spent £4m repairing another berth in 2012-13 and can’t afford further works.

Council chiefs are to meet Condor chief executive James Fulford later this week for an update.

Management committee chairman Cllr Mike Byatt said: “The council’s position hasn’t changed in terms of the finances to do significant works to the harbour walls what Condor is suggesting.

“We will wait to see what the outcome is of the discussions we have with Condor.

“I’m hoping it will provide some clarity about their position.

“We need to be clear what the implications are for Weymouth and Portland and make the best possible decisions in the interests of the borough. I’m not making any presumptions about the future.”

James Fulford of Condor has previously said the firm has not ruled out making a contribution to berth upgrade works in Weymouth.

He said: “We need to invest for the future to keep doing what we do, and we will do that from the appropriate port that provides modern facilities that make it safe to operate. We would love that to be Weymouth and hope that will be the case.”

Barfleur out of service for £10m modification

POOLE’s Barfleur ferry will be taken out of service for two months next spring for an expensive modification.

The Brittany Ferries craft which is continuing its year round operation from the port to Cherbourg is having a £10million scrubber fitted.

Work will be carried out on the Barfleur at St Nazaire from mid-March to mid-May and there will be a gap between March 16 and April 29 when the ferry will not be running.

However the company is slotting in its high-speed vessel, Normandie Express from April 30 to May 14, after which Barfleur returns to resume its daily service.

“Unfortunately we cannot provide the high-speed service earlier for operational reasons, but it will provide a link during the busy early May Bank Holiday period,” said Stephen Tuckwell, communications director.

The crossing time in the fast ferry is two-and-three-quarters hours compared with four-and-a-half hours for the conventional ferry.

The equipment that will be fitted to the 22-year-old Barfleur removes sulphur dioxide from the exhaust, a poisonous gas which contributes towards acid rain. This is in order to comply with new environmental regulations coming in next year.

EU legislation means vessels must use fuels with a sulphur content of not more than 0.10 per cent in the North Sea including the English Channel and exhaust cleaning systems are a way of ensuring this.

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7:33am Mon 18 Aug 14

ThomasFairfax says...

Condor Ferries have signed a 10 year non-exclusive agreement with Jersey Ports, allowing the company to operate passenger, vehicle and freight services until 2024. It is also announced that Guernsey's government have agreed to extend a "memorandum of understanding" with Condor until 2018. These new arrangements made public yesterday, may come as a bit of a blow to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council as the way is now clear for Condor to proceed with their plan to bring into service their new 102 meter trimaran for the UK to Channel Islands route
The reason for the concern in Weymouth, is the continuing controversy and discussions regarding the required improvements to Pier 1 at the Weymouth ferry terminal. The improvements to Pier 1 will require a £10million investment programme for the upgrade and expansion and may take up to three years to complete, just to provide a berth large enough to accommodate the new ferry. The improvements and repairs to Pier 3, which caused so much disruption before and during the 2012 Olympics, were late in completion, cost in excess of £4.5 million and resulted in Condor operating out of Poole for almost two years with the resulting loss of income for hotels, guest houses and tourism generally in Weymouth. It is now clearly evident, and was predicted by some commentators at the time, that even with the time and expenditure poured into the Pier 3 repairs, the new berth would only be able to accommodate the existing Condor Vitesse, Express or Rapide.

Condor's original plan was to have the new ferry in operation during October of this year. However, the delay in concluding the agreement with the Channel Islands indicates that the new ship will not be in operation until 2015. Which ever way it goes, there is no possibility of the new ferry operating out of Weymouth in the foreseeable future, and Poole will once again benefit from any extra tourist income that may be generated. Condor have already indicated that the introduction of a new larger ferry , will result in two of the existing fast ferries being taken out of service. This may come as another blow to Weymouth.

With the introduction of the new ship and two of the smaller ferries being taken out, the overall capacity for the transport of passengers and vehicles will be reduced. As the trend of tourism to Jersey remains in decline over recent years, this may not be a problem to the States of Jersey or Guernsey, but it is certainly the case that Weymouth will feel a difference.
Condor Ferries have signed a 10 year non-exclusive agreement with Jersey Ports, allowing the company to operate passenger, vehicle and freight services until 2024. It is also announced that Guernsey's government have agreed to extend a "memorandum of understanding" with Condor until 2018. These new arrangements made public yesterday, may come as a bit of a blow to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council as the way is now clear for Condor to proceed with their plan to bring into service their new 102 meter trimaran for the UK to Channel Islands route The reason for the concern in Weymouth, is the continuing controversy and discussions regarding the required improvements to Pier 1 at the Weymouth ferry terminal. The improvements to Pier 1 will require a £10million investment programme for the upgrade and expansion and may take up to three years to complete, just to provide a berth large enough to accommodate the new ferry. The improvements and repairs to Pier 3, which caused so much disruption before and during the 2012 Olympics, were late in completion, cost in excess of £4.5 million and resulted in Condor operating out of Poole for almost two years with the resulting loss of income for hotels, guest houses and tourism generally in Weymouth. It is now clearly evident, and was predicted by some commentators at the time, that even with the time and expenditure poured into the Pier 3 repairs, the new berth would only be able to accommodate the existing Condor Vitesse, Express or Rapide. Condor's original plan was to have the new ferry in operation during October of this year. However, the delay in concluding the agreement with the Channel Islands indicates that the new ship will not be in operation until 2015. Which ever way it goes, there is no possibility of the new ferry operating out of Weymouth in the foreseeable future, and Poole will once again benefit from any extra tourist income that may be generated. Condor have already indicated that the introduction of a new larger ferry , will result in two of the existing fast ferries being taken out of service. This may come as another blow to Weymouth. With the introduction of the new ship and two of the smaller ferries being taken out, the overall capacity for the transport of passengers and vehicles will be reduced. As the trend of tourism to Jersey remains in decline over recent years, this may not be a problem to the States of Jersey or Guernsey, but it is certainly the case that Weymouth will feel a difference. ThomasFairfax
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7:40am Mon 18 Aug 14

Get a grip says...

ThomasFairfax wrote:
Condor Ferries have signed a 10 year non-exclusive agreement with Jersey Ports, allowing the company to operate passenger, vehicle and freight services until 2024. It is also announced that Guernsey's government have agreed to extend a "memorandum of understanding" with Condor until 2018. These new arrangements made public yesterday, may come as a bit of a blow to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council as the way is now clear for Condor to proceed with their plan to bring into service their new 102 meter trimaran for the UK to Channel Islands route
The reason for the concern in Weymouth, is the continuing controversy and discussions regarding the required improvements to Pier 1 at the Weymouth ferry terminal. The improvements to Pier 1 will require a £10million investment programme for the upgrade and expansion and may take up to three years to complete, just to provide a berth large enough to accommodate the new ferry. The improvements and repairs to Pier 3, which caused so much disruption before and during the 2012 Olympics, were late in completion, cost in excess of £4.5 million and resulted in Condor operating out of Poole for almost two years with the resulting loss of income for hotels, guest houses and tourism generally in Weymouth. It is now clearly evident, and was predicted by some commentators at the time, that even with the time and expenditure poured into the Pier 3 repairs, the new berth would only be able to accommodate the existing Condor Vitesse, Express or Rapide.

Condor's original plan was to have the new ferry in operation during October of this year. However, the delay in concluding the agreement with the Channel Islands indicates that the new ship will not be in operation until 2015. Which ever way it goes, there is no possibility of the new ferry operating out of Weymouth in the foreseeable future, and Poole will once again benefit from any extra tourist income that may be generated. Condor have already indicated that the introduction of a new larger ferry , will result in two of the existing fast ferries being taken out of service. This may come as another blow to Weymouth.

With the introduction of the new ship and two of the smaller ferries being taken out, the overall capacity for the transport of passengers and vehicles will be reduced. As the trend of tourism to Jersey remains in decline over recent years, this may not be a problem to the States of Jersey or Guernsey, but it is certainly the case that Weymouth will feel a difference.
What is the point of you post?

It adds nothing to the debate.
[quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Condor Ferries have signed a 10 year non-exclusive agreement with Jersey Ports, allowing the company to operate passenger, vehicle and freight services until 2024. It is also announced that Guernsey's government have agreed to extend a "memorandum of understanding" with Condor until 2018. These new arrangements made public yesterday, may come as a bit of a blow to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council as the way is now clear for Condor to proceed with their plan to bring into service their new 102 meter trimaran for the UK to Channel Islands route The reason for the concern in Weymouth, is the continuing controversy and discussions regarding the required improvements to Pier 1 at the Weymouth ferry terminal. The improvements to Pier 1 will require a £10million investment programme for the upgrade and expansion and may take up to three years to complete, just to provide a berth large enough to accommodate the new ferry. The improvements and repairs to Pier 3, which caused so much disruption before and during the 2012 Olympics, were late in completion, cost in excess of £4.5 million and resulted in Condor operating out of Poole for almost two years with the resulting loss of income for hotels, guest houses and tourism generally in Weymouth. It is now clearly evident, and was predicted by some commentators at the time, that even with the time and expenditure poured into the Pier 3 repairs, the new berth would only be able to accommodate the existing Condor Vitesse, Express or Rapide. Condor's original plan was to have the new ferry in operation during October of this year. However, the delay in concluding the agreement with the Channel Islands indicates that the new ship will not be in operation until 2015. Which ever way it goes, there is no possibility of the new ferry operating out of Weymouth in the foreseeable future, and Poole will once again benefit from any extra tourist income that may be generated. Condor have already indicated that the introduction of a new larger ferry , will result in two of the existing fast ferries being taken out of service. This may come as another blow to Weymouth. With the introduction of the new ship and two of the smaller ferries being taken out, the overall capacity for the transport of passengers and vehicles will be reduced. As the trend of tourism to Jersey remains in decline over recent years, this may not be a problem to the States of Jersey or Guernsey, but it is certainly the case that Weymouth will feel a difference.[/p][/quote]What is the point of you post? It adds nothing to the debate. Get a grip
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9:26am Mon 18 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

The future's not uncertain, there seems to be no realistic prospect that this new vessel would be able to operate from Weymouth, so in fact the future is surely fairly clear. "Upgrading" is a misnomer, it would need construction of a completely new berth, which is surely out of the question.
The future's not uncertain, there seems to be no realistic prospect that this new vessel would be able to operate from Weymouth, so in fact the future is surely fairly clear. "Upgrading" is a misnomer, it would need construction of a completely new berth, which is surely out of the question. arlbergbahn
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9:28am Mon 18 Aug 14

Rocksalt says...

Get a grip wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Condor Ferries have signed a 10 year non-exclusive agreement with Jersey Ports, allowing the company to operate passenger, vehicle and freight services until 2024. It is also announced that Guernsey's government have agreed to extend a "memorandum of understanding" with Condor until 2018. These new arrangements made public yesterday, may come as a bit of a blow to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council as the way is now clear for Condor to proceed with their plan to bring into service their new 102 meter trimaran for the UK to Channel Islands route
The reason for the concern in Weymouth, is the continuing controversy and discussions regarding the required improvements to Pier 1 at the Weymouth ferry terminal. The improvements to Pier 1 will require a £10million investment programme for the upgrade and expansion and may take up to three years to complete, just to provide a berth large enough to accommodate the new ferry. The improvements and repairs to Pier 3, which caused so much disruption before and during the 2012 Olympics, were late in completion, cost in excess of £4.5 million and resulted in Condor operating out of Poole for almost two years with the resulting loss of income for hotels, guest houses and tourism generally in Weymouth. It is now clearly evident, and was predicted by some commentators at the time, that even with the time and expenditure poured into the Pier 3 repairs, the new berth would only be able to accommodate the existing Condor Vitesse, Express or Rapide.

Condor's original plan was to have the new ferry in operation during October of this year. However, the delay in concluding the agreement with the Channel Islands indicates that the new ship will not be in operation until 2015. Which ever way it goes, there is no possibility of the new ferry operating out of Weymouth in the foreseeable future, and Poole will once again benefit from any extra tourist income that may be generated. Condor have already indicated that the introduction of a new larger ferry , will result in two of the existing fast ferries being taken out of service. This may come as another blow to Weymouth.

With the introduction of the new ship and two of the smaller ferries being taken out, the overall capacity for the transport of passengers and vehicles will be reduced. As the trend of tourism to Jersey remains in decline over recent years, this may not be a problem to the States of Jersey or Guernsey, but it is certainly the case that Weymouth will feel a difference.
What is the point of you post?

It adds nothing to the debate.
What this all provides is an opportunity to develop the harbour area in a way that attracts visitors and local people. These benefits can potentially significantly outweigh the benefits currently accrued from ferry passengers. I can't help thinking that the income attributed to the ferry passengers is pure guesswork, but I am happy to be proved wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Get a grip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Condor Ferries have signed a 10 year non-exclusive agreement with Jersey Ports, allowing the company to operate passenger, vehicle and freight services until 2024. It is also announced that Guernsey's government have agreed to extend a "memorandum of understanding" with Condor until 2018. These new arrangements made public yesterday, may come as a bit of a blow to Weymouth and Portland Borough Council as the way is now clear for Condor to proceed with their plan to bring into service their new 102 meter trimaran for the UK to Channel Islands route The reason for the concern in Weymouth, is the continuing controversy and discussions regarding the required improvements to Pier 1 at the Weymouth ferry terminal. The improvements to Pier 1 will require a £10million investment programme for the upgrade and expansion and may take up to three years to complete, just to provide a berth large enough to accommodate the new ferry. The improvements and repairs to Pier 3, which caused so much disruption before and during the 2012 Olympics, were late in completion, cost in excess of £4.5 million and resulted in Condor operating out of Poole for almost two years with the resulting loss of income for hotels, guest houses and tourism generally in Weymouth. It is now clearly evident, and was predicted by some commentators at the time, that even with the time and expenditure poured into the Pier 3 repairs, the new berth would only be able to accommodate the existing Condor Vitesse, Express or Rapide. Condor's original plan was to have the new ferry in operation during October of this year. However, the delay in concluding the agreement with the Channel Islands indicates that the new ship will not be in operation until 2015. Which ever way it goes, there is no possibility of the new ferry operating out of Weymouth in the foreseeable future, and Poole will once again benefit from any extra tourist income that may be generated. Condor have already indicated that the introduction of a new larger ferry , will result in two of the existing fast ferries being taken out of service. This may come as another blow to Weymouth. With the introduction of the new ship and two of the smaller ferries being taken out, the overall capacity for the transport of passengers and vehicles will be reduced. As the trend of tourism to Jersey remains in decline over recent years, this may not be a problem to the States of Jersey or Guernsey, but it is certainly the case that Weymouth will feel a difference.[/p][/quote]What is the point of you post? It adds nothing to the debate.[/p][/quote]What this all provides is an opportunity to develop the harbour area in a way that attracts visitors and local people. These benefits can potentially significantly outweigh the benefits currently accrued from ferry passengers. I can't help thinking that the income attributed to the ferry passengers is pure guesswork, but I am happy to be proved wrong. Rocksalt
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9:32am Mon 18 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

On another note, does anyone remember when Condor tried to provide the entire service with one vessel, from Poole in '97? A complete disaster that turned out to be, the timetable was far too ambitious to the extent that in the end, an arrival within an hour of the scheduled time was classified as "on time". It would seem to be much more sensible to retain one of the existing craft as a backup and to provide an alternative service from Weymouth; forcing people to use the service you want to provide because that's all you want to provide rarely goes down well. What I can see is that the airlines serving the CI will do well out of this.
On another note, does anyone remember when Condor tried to provide the entire service with one vessel, from Poole in '97? A complete disaster that turned out to be, the timetable was far too ambitious to the extent that in the end, an arrival within an hour of the scheduled time was classified as "on time". It would seem to be much more sensible to retain one of the existing craft as a backup and to provide an alternative service from Weymouth; forcing people to use the service you want to provide because that's all you want to provide rarely goes down well. What I can see is that the airlines serving the CI will do well out of this. arlbergbahn
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10:32am Mon 18 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

I was talking to some of the Condor staff at Weymouth the other week - Surprisingly, they don`t seem overly concerned about this continued uncertainty. Conodor remain keen to stay at Weymouth, and will look at all options before looking elsewhere.

One option possible is for Condor to finance much of the berth 1 development themselves in lieu of paying the council bething fees for so many years.

Alternatively, retaining Express or Vitesse for a short period must also be a possibility whilst funding is secured for the rebuild.

Its only my view, but i really think that Condor are still very much against using Poole in the long term, although they obviously will if they have to.

There still appears to be a game of brinksmanship taking place here!

Simon N.
I was talking to some of the Condor staff at Weymouth the other week - Surprisingly, they don`t seem overly concerned about this continued uncertainty. Conodor remain keen to stay at Weymouth, and will look at all options before looking elsewhere. One option possible is for Condor to finance much of the berth 1 development themselves in lieu of paying the council bething fees for so many years. Alternatively, retaining Express or Vitesse for a short period must also be a possibility whilst funding is secured for the rebuild. Its only my view, but i really think that Condor are still very much against using Poole in the long term, although they obviously will if they have to. There still appears to be a game of brinksmanship taking place here! Simon N. Simon 1965
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11:10am Mon 18 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Children - please!!!!! Can we discuss this properly folks without squabbling?

What will be will be, if they really want to run from Weymouth then there is a lot of sorting out to go into making sure they do, and it will probably cost them a lot of money, and they are already paying out a lot as it is in sorting out the damage to the Clipper and now they have to fork out for the damage to those cars on the Vitesse. Money earlier on in the year they probably didn't think they would be shelling out for. And they still have to buy the new boat.

Staying in Poole would probably be not what they want, but will avoid all the costs incurred in funding a new berth. At present just a case of wait and see, taking a long time, and there have been unexpected problems in other areas too over the past few months incurring extra expense, but hopefully a decision will be made soon. We are getting t
Children - please!!!!! Can we discuss this properly folks without squabbling? What will be will be, if they really want to run from Weymouth then there is a lot of sorting out to go into making sure they do, and it will probably cost them a lot of money, and they are already paying out a lot as it is in sorting out the damage to the Clipper and now they have to fork out for the damage to those cars on the Vitesse. Money earlier on in the year they probably didn't think they would be shelling out for. And they still have to buy the new boat. Staying in Poole would probably be not what they want, but will avoid all the costs incurred in funding a new berth. At present just a case of wait and see, taking a long time, and there have been unexpected problems in other areas too over the past few months incurring extra expense, but hopefully a decision will be made soon. We are getting t FerryFan
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11:11am Mon 18 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

We are getting there!! Apologies, my pc posted before I was ready!!!
We are getting there!! Apologies, my pc posted before I was ready!!! FerryFan
  • Score: -11

12:24pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Portland G says...

I beleive Condor have already made their decision about which port they will use, and it's not Weymouth.

As we have always been told the return journey is 1 hour longer from Poole than from Weymouth and costs a lot more in fuel etc. You would expect then that the fares would be higher on this route to compensate. Not so.

If you were to travel to Jersey on Sat 23/8 and return on 25/8 from Weymouth it would cost you £87. If you travelled from Poole however on the same days it would cost you £62. (Prices according to Condors website 18/8) Why is that?

Perhaps Condor will say in the future that the Weymouth route is no longer viable due to passenger numbers. This will be due to the fact that apart from those living in Weymouth who want to go to the C I's everyone else will be using the cheaper route from Poole.

Of course I may be wrong but time will tell.

Mind you, this is all academic anyway. W&PBC haven't the money to rebuild the pier so Condor will go anyway. If by some strange quirk the council "find" the £10m hopefully they would have learnt from their last error of judgement and get 'ink on paper' with Condor BEFORE they start any works.

Unlikely
I beleive Condor have already made their decision about which port they will use, and it's not Weymouth. As we have always been told the return journey is 1 hour longer from Poole than from Weymouth and costs a lot more in fuel etc. You would expect then that the fares would be higher on this route to compensate. Not so. If you were to travel to Jersey on Sat 23/8 and return on 25/8 from Weymouth it would cost you £87. If you travelled from Poole however on the same days it would cost you £62. (Prices according to Condors website 18/8) Why is that? Perhaps Condor will say in the future that the Weymouth route is no longer viable due to passenger numbers. This will be due to the fact that apart from those living in Weymouth who want to go to the C I's everyone else will be using the cheaper route from Poole. Of course I may be wrong but time will tell. Mind you, this is all academic anyway. W&PBC haven't the money to rebuild the pier so Condor will go anyway. If by some strange quirk the council "find" the £10m hopefully they would have learnt from their last error of judgement and get 'ink on paper' with Condor BEFORE they start any works. Unlikely Portland G
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1:54pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

Portland G wrote:
I beleive Condor have already made their decision about which port they will use, and it's not Weymouth. As we have always been told the return journey is 1 hour longer from Poole than from Weymouth and costs a lot more in fuel etc. You would expect then that the fares would be higher on this route to compensate. Not so. If you were to travel to Jersey on Sat 23/8 and return on 25/8 from Weymouth it would cost you £87. If you travelled from Poole however on the same days it would cost you £62. (Prices according to Condors website 18/8) Why is that? Perhaps Condor will say in the future that the Weymouth route is no longer viable due to passenger numbers. This will be due to the fact that apart from those living in Weymouth who want to go to the C I's everyone else will be using the cheaper route from Poole. Of course I may be wrong but time will tell. Mind you, this is all academic anyway. W&PBC haven't the money to rebuild the pier so Condor will go anyway. If by some strange quirk the council "find" the £10m hopefully they would have learnt from their last error of judgement and get 'ink on paper' with Condor BEFORE they start any works. Unlikely
If Condor had decided to move everything to Poole, they would have confirmed it some time ago. The new boat (assuming they are able to finance it, which was still yet to happen) will have to run from Poole or Portsmouth initially of course as Weymouth cannot currently accommodate it.

Weymouth Condor passenger loadings are BOOMING at the moment by the way - they had to run a second journey last Thursday just to accommodate them all. They have run a second journey for the past three Saturday`s as well, something they will never be able to do from Poole with the same boat.

As I said earlier, the Condor staff I spoke to at Weymouth appear very relaxed about the uncertainty at the moment.

I spent a week in the Bournemouth and Poole area the other week, the road links between these two major towns are dreadful - its gridlock even at off peak times.

Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]Portland G[/bold] wrote: I beleive Condor have already made their decision about which port they will use, and it's not Weymouth. As we have always been told the return journey is 1 hour longer from Poole than from Weymouth and costs a lot more in fuel etc. You would expect then that the fares would be higher on this route to compensate. Not so. If you were to travel to Jersey on Sat 23/8 and return on 25/8 from Weymouth it would cost you £87. If you travelled from Poole however on the same days it would cost you £62. (Prices according to Condors website 18/8) Why is that? Perhaps Condor will say in the future that the Weymouth route is no longer viable due to passenger numbers. This will be due to the fact that apart from those living in Weymouth who want to go to the C I's everyone else will be using the cheaper route from Poole. Of course I may be wrong but time will tell. Mind you, this is all academic anyway. W&PBC haven't the money to rebuild the pier so Condor will go anyway. If by some strange quirk the council "find" the £10m hopefully they would have learnt from their last error of judgement and get 'ink on paper' with Condor BEFORE they start any works. Unlikely[/p][/quote]If Condor had decided to move everything to Poole, they would have confirmed it some time ago. The new boat (assuming they are able to finance it, which was still yet to happen) will have to run from Poole or Portsmouth initially of course as Weymouth cannot currently accommodate it. Weymouth Condor passenger loadings are BOOMING at the moment by the way - they had to run a second journey last Thursday just to accommodate them all. They have run a second journey for the past three Saturday`s as well, something they will never be able to do from Poole with the same boat. As I said earlier, the Condor staff I spoke to at Weymouth appear very relaxed about the uncertainty at the moment. I spent a week in the Bournemouth and Poole area the other week, the road links between these two major towns are dreadful - its gridlock even at off peak times. Simon N. Simon 1965
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5:39pm Mon 18 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Suppose it depends what roads you are using, Simon. I often travel to Poole from Bournemouth, albeit on the bus for shopping or to catch the ferry. Barfleur leaves at 08.30, have to getvto check in at least 45 mins earlier so usually catch a bus around 06.45, mainly to get a coffee in Subway and a paper read before walking round to the port. And for shopping in Poole I aim to get there before 8 as well. Roads are always nice and easy, never see any gridlocks that time. Ferries normally leave early anyway, so if they put the trimaran on an early sailing, you would avoid the peak periods. Bus normally goes straight through picking up the odd worker when I travel, never seen gridlock. Going home though after shopping, now that can be busy and I lose count of the times I swear I'm getting the train next time!!

From Bournemouth I would recommend going through Poole Road, Ashley Road and down through Lower Parkstone, avoid Wessex Way. Always quiet early mornings.
Suppose it depends what roads you are using, Simon. I often travel to Poole from Bournemouth, albeit on the bus for shopping or to catch the ferry. Barfleur leaves at 08.30, have to getvto check in at least 45 mins earlier so usually catch a bus around 06.45, mainly to get a coffee in Subway and a paper read before walking round to the port. And for shopping in Poole I aim to get there before 8 as well. Roads are always nice and easy, never see any gridlocks that time. Ferries normally leave early anyway, so if they put the trimaran on an early sailing, you would avoid the peak periods. Bus normally goes straight through picking up the odd worker when I travel, never seen gridlock. Going home though after shopping, now that can be busy and I lose count of the times I swear I'm getting the train next time!! From Bournemouth I would recommend going through Poole Road, Ashley Road and down through Lower Parkstone, avoid Wessex Way. Always quiet early mornings. FerryFan
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6:42pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Noidear says...

I know condor sell me one of the old boats and I carry on the route.i think if poole was that viable condor would not have come back to weymouth, but who knows.
I know condor sell me one of the old boats and I carry on the route.i think if poole was that viable condor would not have come back to weymouth, but who knows. Noidear
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7:24pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

FerryFan wrote:
Suppose it depends what roads you are using, Simon. I often travel to Poole from Bournemouth, albeit on the bus for shopping or to catch the ferry. Barfleur leaves at 08.30, have to getvto check in at least 45 mins earlier so usually catch a bus around 06.45, mainly to get a coffee in Subway and a paper read before walking round to the port. And for shopping in Poole I aim to get there before 8 as well. Roads are always nice and easy, never see any gridlocks that time. Ferries normally leave early anyway, so if they put the trimaran on an early sailing, you would avoid the peak periods. Bus normally goes straight through picking up the odd worker when I travel, never seen gridlock. Going home though after shopping, now that can be busy and I lose count of the times I swear I'm getting the train next time!!

From Bournemouth I would recommend going through Poole Road, Ashley Road and down through Lower Parkstone, avoid Wessex Way. Always quiet early mornings.
The point I was making Ferry Fan is that Weymouth people have always been told that Poole is better than Weymouth in every way as a ferry terminal, especially the road links, but this is simply not true. The ferry journey is slower, there have always been issues with sand clogging up the workings, the terminal buildings are not the best and the roads, especially between County Gates and Poole, are absolutely dreadful. They do score highly on facilities for the boats themselves, and have sufficient capacity, but that`s about it.

As for the future, most people locally are expecting a big announcement soon - either "Condor to leave Weymouth" or "Condor to stay at Weymouth" - I could be wrong but i can`t see it being that cut and dried. I suspect Condor will give the council several possible options at their meeting this week - I would love to be a fly on the wall, and suspect the public announcment when it comes, will be a joint statement between the two parties.

Mr Fulford has to be very careful - the last time Condor left Weymouth, at the end of 1996 season, they were back in 1998, as the revenue was not sufficient at Poole alone. he has another problem this time as well - his new long term CI contract is not exclusive - somebody else will plug the gap (not immediately, but in time) from Weymouth.

The best option for me is if Condor fund the rebulid of berth 1 themselves instead of paying the council bething fees. Between now and 2018, the figures should add up. After all, if Condor do go, the council will not get any fees anyway, at least until somebody else takes their place.

I am however merely an onlooker in this saga, whatever happens is outside my control - it will be a shame to see then go however, the amount of people who photograph Vitesse from the Nothe on a daily basis is staggering.

Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: Suppose it depends what roads you are using, Simon. I often travel to Poole from Bournemouth, albeit on the bus for shopping or to catch the ferry. Barfleur leaves at 08.30, have to getvto check in at least 45 mins earlier so usually catch a bus around 06.45, mainly to get a coffee in Subway and a paper read before walking round to the port. And for shopping in Poole I aim to get there before 8 as well. Roads are always nice and easy, never see any gridlocks that time. Ferries normally leave early anyway, so if they put the trimaran on an early sailing, you would avoid the peak periods. Bus normally goes straight through picking up the odd worker when I travel, never seen gridlock. Going home though after shopping, now that can be busy and I lose count of the times I swear I'm getting the train next time!! From Bournemouth I would recommend going through Poole Road, Ashley Road and down through Lower Parkstone, avoid Wessex Way. Always quiet early mornings.[/p][/quote]The point I was making Ferry Fan is that Weymouth people have always been told that Poole is better than Weymouth in every way as a ferry terminal, especially the road links, but this is simply not true. The ferry journey is slower, there have always been issues with sand clogging up the workings, the terminal buildings are not the best and the roads, especially between County Gates and Poole, are absolutely dreadful. They do score highly on facilities for the boats themselves, and have sufficient capacity, but that`s about it. As for the future, most people locally are expecting a big announcement soon - either "Condor to leave Weymouth" or "Condor to stay at Weymouth" - I could be wrong but i can`t see it being that cut and dried. I suspect Condor will give the council several possible options at their meeting this week - I would love to be a fly on the wall, and suspect the public announcment when it comes, will be a joint statement between the two parties. Mr Fulford has to be very careful - the last time Condor left Weymouth, at the end of 1996 season, they were back in 1998, as the revenue was not sufficient at Poole alone. he has another problem this time as well - his new long term CI contract is not exclusive - somebody else will plug the gap (not immediately, but in time) from Weymouth. The best option for me is if Condor fund the rebulid of berth 1 themselves instead of paying the council bething fees. Between now and 2018, the figures should add up. After all, if Condor do go, the council will not get any fees anyway, at least until somebody else takes their place. I am however merely an onlooker in this saga, whatever happens is outside my control - it will be a shame to see then go however, the amount of people who photograph Vitesse from the Nothe on a daily basis is staggering. Simon N. Simon Nicholas
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8:26pm Mon 18 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Thanks Simon - I do see it from your point of view as well as my own. Just noticed in my previous post I said I leave home at 06.45 - make that 05.45, unnoticed til now typo!

Would like to be a fly on the wall at this meeting myself, I'm treating it all as a what will be will be. I am pretty certain I am going to be taking a trip on the new boat anyway - whichever port.
Thanks Simon - I do see it from your point of view as well as my own. Just noticed in my previous post I said I leave home at 06.45 - make that 05.45, unnoticed til now typo! Would like to be a fly on the wall at this meeting myself, I'm treating it all as a what will be will be. I am pretty certain I am going to be taking a trip on the new boat anyway - whichever port. FerryFan
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11:08pm Mon 18 Aug 14

portland rebel says...

apart from berthing fee's, and a few b&b's gaining a few customers can someone please tell me how weymouth benefits from condor,
apart from berthing fee's, and a few b&b's gaining a few customers can someone please tell me how weymouth benefits from condor, portland rebel
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9:00am Tue 19 Aug 14

Rocksalt says...

portland rebel wrote:
apart from berthing fee's, and a few b&b's gaining a few customers can someone please tell me how weymouth benefits from condor,
That's part of the point I was trying to make earlier. I would like to see how the benefits are measured. And I mean properly measurd by credible research, not just assumptions that because x number of passengers catch an early ferry then y number will have eaten in Weymouth the night before.
[quote][p][bold]portland rebel[/bold] wrote: apart from berthing fee's, and a few b&b's gaining a few customers can someone please tell me how weymouth benefits from condor,[/p][/quote]That's part of the point I was trying to make earlier. I would like to see how the benefits are measured. And I mean properly measurd by credible research, not just assumptions that because x number of passengers catch an early ferry then y number will have eaten in Weymouth the night before. Rocksalt
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11:18am Tue 19 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Poole terminal is usually crammed with Condor passengers ( although to be correct I should say guests as this is how Mr F likes his clientele to be referred to as). Very busy, so would say Poole os doing very well, unless someone begs to differ.

Still wanting to be a fly on the wall - bet some would want to be a wasp on some people's chairs, depending on what the outcome is....
Poole terminal is usually crammed with Condor passengers ( although to be correct I should say guests as this is how Mr F likes his clientele to be referred to as). Very busy, so would say Poole os doing very well, unless someone begs to differ. Still wanting to be a fly on the wall - bet some would want to be a wasp on some people's chairs, depending on what the outcome is.... FerryFan
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11:43am Tue 19 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

Rocksalt wrote:
portland rebel wrote: apart from berthing fee's, and a few b&b's gaining a few customers can someone please tell me how weymouth benefits from condor,
That's part of the point I was trying to make earlier. I would like to see how the benefits are measured. And I mean properly measurd by credible research, not just assumptions that because x number of passengers catch an early ferry then y number will have eaten in Weymouth the night before.
Well, all of Condors reservations team are permananently based at WeyMouth - as are sufficient operational management to ensure propery delivery of the ferry service. Many of the cabin crew at local as well, as are the catering staff in the departure building. All of these obviously come off the local unemployment statistics and pay their taxes. I don`t have an exact number, but estimate between 30 to 40, which for a town with few large employers, is not to be sniffed at. There would be a considerable number of "third parry" businesses supplying Condor with goods and services as well.

Don`t understimate the spending power of people from Guernsey and Jersey either - channel islands registered cars are daily sights in Weymouth (and other local area) car parks.

Then when you add the b&b / hotel revenue and berthing proceeds, its a fair old whack at the end of the day.

It all puts Weymouth on the map - who knows who many come back here for a holiday after they have seen the area whilst drivng towards thg ferry?

Regards
Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portland rebel[/bold] wrote: apart from berthing fee's, and a few b&b's gaining a few customers can someone please tell me how weymouth benefits from condor,[/p][/quote]That's part of the point I was trying to make earlier. I would like to see how the benefits are measured. And I mean properly measurd by credible research, not just assumptions that because x number of passengers catch an early ferry then y number will have eaten in Weymouth the night before.[/p][/quote]Well, all of Condors reservations team are permananently based at WeyMouth - as are sufficient operational management to ensure propery delivery of the ferry service. Many of the cabin crew at local as well, as are the catering staff in the departure building. All of these obviously come off the local unemployment statistics and pay their taxes. I don`t have an exact number, but estimate between 30 to 40, which for a town with few large employers, is not to be sniffed at. There would be a considerable number of "third parry" businesses supplying Condor with goods and services as well. Don`t understimate the spending power of people from Guernsey and Jersey either - channel islands registered cars are daily sights in Weymouth (and other local area) car parks. Then when you add the b&b / hotel revenue and berthing proceeds, its a fair old whack at the end of the day. It all puts Weymouth on the map - who knows who many come back here for a holiday after they have seen the area whilst drivng towards thg ferry? Regards Simon N. Simon 1965
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7:06pm Tue 19 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Regarding part of the story about Normandie Express standing in for Barfleur - she looks like a half sister of this trimaran, she is excellent to travel on - she will not supplant Barfleur in our Poole affections, but she is an excellent vessel to travel on, will be having a ride on her, have to go to Pompey to get one of those normally!!
Regarding part of the story about Normandie Express standing in for Barfleur - she looks like a half sister of this trimaran, she is excellent to travel on - she will not supplant Barfleur in our Poole affections, but she is an excellent vessel to travel on, will be having a ride on her, have to go to Pompey to get one of those normally!! FerryFan
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