Condor Ferries set to leave Weymouth next spring

Austal 102 high speed ferry. Image courtesy of Austal

Austal 102 high speed ferry. Image courtesy of Austal

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CONDOR Ferries has confirmed that it will leave Weymouth next spring, sailing its new super-ferry from Poole.

Its new larger high-speed ferry, the Austal 102, will sail from Poole instead after Weymouth’s Port was deemed unsuitable and requiring millions of pounds worth of investment to make it viable.

However, Condor has said that the arrangement with Poole Harbour is a “medium-term” arrangement to allow Weymouth and Portland Borough Council time to outline its plans for the port.

Condor will still operate the Vitesse vessel from Weymouth until Easter next year.

The Austal will replace the Vitesse and Condor Express on a single sailing from UK to the Channel Islands.

The latest acquisition to the Condor fleet follows a £50million investment by the company and will come into service in spring 2015.

James Fulford, Condor chief executive, said: “I am delighted to announce that we are now proud owners of the Austal 102. “This represents £50m of investment in our Islands and it will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort.

“We plan to introduce the 102 in spring 2015 and, in the months ahead, we will be sharing more details about this superb new ship and announcing ways in which Islanders can be involved in our preparations.”

Mr Fulford added: “Poole is a modern and well-connected port, well-liked by our customers.

“We recognise that this is disappointing news for Weymouth. However, given the need for berth improvements and an Environmental Impact Assessment, Weymouth is not currently in a position to accommodate the 102.

“Reaching a medium-term arrangement with Poole will give certainty to our customers, our Islands, and Poole Harbour Commissioners, whilst also allowing enough time for Weymouth & Portland Borough Council to establish their long term plans for their port.

“We will continue to operate Condor Vitesse from Weymouth until spring 2015, when we introduce the 102.”

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7:42am Wed 20 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?
Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.? cosmick
  • Score: 23

7:52am Wed 20 Aug 14

Get a grip says...

I see they are attempting to leave the door open for a return.
I see they are attempting to leave the door open for a return. Get a grip
  • Score: 25

8:27am Wed 20 Aug 14

dave.flowers says...

why don't they use our natural deep water port of Portland??????
why don't they use our natural deep water port of Portland?????? dave.flowers
  • Score: 39

8:27am Wed 20 Aug 14

ThomasFairfax says...

Why should anyone be shocked and surprised by this story?
On the 19th April I blogged this entry.
http://new-agenda201
2.blogspot.co.uk/201
4/04/the-writing-has
-been-on-wall-for-al
most.html

Today, channelonline.tv carries the following:
"Condor Ferries has bought a new £50 million high speed vessel.
The latest addition to the fleet will come into service in spring 2015.
The purchase follows the news Condor secured a ten-year licence to provide Jersey and Guernsey with ferry services.
The Austal 102 trimaran can carry 1,165 passengers, 254 cars and has a 630 nautical mile range.
The new licence allows for a rival operator to set up providing it can match Condor's services.
CEO James Fulford said: "I am delighted to announce that we are now proud owners of the Austal 102. This represents £50m of investment in our Islands and it will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort.
"We plan to introduce the 102 in spring 2015 and, in the months ahead, we will be sharing more details about this superb new ship and announcing ways in which Islanders can be involved in our preparations."

When it comes to planning, foresight and commonsense, it seems that the States of Jersey are streets ahead of the Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.
Why should anyone be shocked and surprised by this story? On the 19th April I blogged this entry. http://new-agenda201 2.blogspot.co.uk/201 4/04/the-writing-has -been-on-wall-for-al most.html Today, channelonline.tv carries the following: "Condor Ferries has bought a new £50 million high speed vessel. The latest addition to the fleet will come into service in spring 2015. The purchase follows the news Condor secured a ten-year licence to provide Jersey and Guernsey with ferry services. The Austal 102 trimaran can carry 1,165 passengers, 254 cars and has a 630 nautical mile range. The new licence allows for a rival operator to set up providing it can match Condor's services. CEO James Fulford said: "I am delighted to announce that we are now proud owners of the Austal 102. This represents £50m of investment in our Islands and it will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort. "We plan to introduce the 102 in spring 2015 and, in the months ahead, we will be sharing more details about this superb new ship and announcing ways in which Islanders can be involved in our preparations." When it comes to planning, foresight and commonsense, it seems that the States of Jersey are streets ahead of the Weymouth and Portland Borough Council. ThomasFairfax
  • Score: 20

8:27am Wed 20 Aug 14

Caption Sensible says...

This has to be the impetus needed to completely redevelop the whole ferry terminal peninsula.

In any new development the port of Weymouth has to future-proof ferry operations by being able to accommodate the largest ferries possible for the next 30 years.
This has to be the impetus needed to completely redevelop the whole ferry terminal peninsula. In any new development the port of Weymouth has to future-proof ferry operations by being able to accommodate the largest ferries possible for the next 30 years. Caption Sensible
  • Score: 29

8:28am Wed 20 Aug 14

Portland G says...

Well that was on the cards and should come as NO surprise.

I place the blame for this completely at the hands of W&PBC. They failed to maintain the berths over the years and then had to spend millions in repairs. And what did that acheive. A few extra months of Condor sailings. It wouldn't surprise me if the berthing fees don't even cover the Chief Execs salary. If W&PBC hadn't 'forgotten' to get Condor to sign an agreement to stay at Weymouth for an extended period after the repairs had been carried out then this wouldn't have happened. At least not this quickly anyway

Although it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth at the end of the day Condor is a business and they are looking after their interests first. As I said before the blame should be put on the shoulders of W&PBC
Well that was on the cards and should come as NO surprise. I place the blame for this completely at the hands of W&PBC. They failed to maintain the berths over the years and then had to spend millions in repairs. And what did that acheive. A few extra months of Condor sailings. It wouldn't surprise me if the berthing fees don't even cover the Chief Execs salary. If W&PBC hadn't 'forgotten' to get Condor to sign an agreement to stay at Weymouth for an extended period after the repairs had been carried out then this wouldn't have happened. At least not this quickly anyway Although it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth at the end of the day Condor is a business and they are looking after their interests first. As I said before the blame should be put on the shoulders of W&PBC Portland G
  • Score: 55

8:31am Wed 20 Aug 14

bargain price says...

it just shows that the government doesn't care about helping to invest in the future of Weymouth, this will affect more that just the port. A very sad day for the growth of Weymouth
it just shows that the government doesn't care about helping to invest in the future of Weymouth, this will affect more that just the port. A very sad day for the growth of Weymouth bargain price
  • Score: 19

8:37am Wed 20 Aug 14

islandman says...

Seems to me that the £4 million spent to repair the berth a short time ago, was money well spent, not.
Seems to me that the £4 million spent to repair the berth a short time ago, was money well spent, not. islandman
  • Score: 36

8:45am Wed 20 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Would like to say I am very pleased to hear this news coming from Poole, don't want to gloat and won't. Difficult to know what to say except to say congratulations to Mr Fulford/Condor for obtaining the boat, it has been a long drawn out and exhausting process and at last the Austal is in use!!

I would have come to Weymouth to use her, and so would have a lot of Poole users instead of flying, so hopefully Weymouth can come to Poole, we don't bite, we would welcome you.
Would like to say I am very pleased to hear this news coming from Poole, don't want to gloat and won't. Difficult to know what to say except to say congratulations to Mr Fulford/Condor for obtaining the boat, it has been a long drawn out and exhausting process and at last the Austal is in use!! I would have come to Weymouth to use her, and so would have a lot of Poole users instead of flying, so hopefully Weymouth can come to Poole, we don't bite, we would welcome you. FerryFan
  • Score: 3

8:53am Wed 20 Aug 14

Totallytopical says...

Classic spin doctor move. Bury the Condor bad news on Carnival day, Weymouth's biggest day of the year. Sneaky manouvre.
Classic spin doctor move. Bury the Condor bad news on Carnival day, Weymouth's biggest day of the year. Sneaky manouvre. Totallytopical
  • Score: 18

8:53am Wed 20 Aug 14

Get a grip says...

islandman wrote:
Seems to me that the £4 million spent to repair the berth a short time ago, was money well spent, not.
Yes perhaps the councilllors that approved the spend may wish to comment?

It looks to me as if this was not a wise investment.

Condor are clearly attempting to play Weymouth off against Poole.
[quote][p][bold]islandman[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that the £4 million spent to repair the berth a short time ago, was money well spent, not.[/p][/quote]Yes perhaps the councilllors that approved the spend may wish to comment? It looks to me as if this was not a wise investment. Condor are clearly attempting to play Weymouth off against Poole. Get a grip
  • Score: 17

9:00am Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor.

To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site.

As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future.

Simon N.
Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor. To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site. As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future. Simon N. Simon 1965
  • Score: 30

9:02am Wed 20 Aug 14

WeyPeninsula says...

Don't panic folks! How much money do you think Condor contribute to the local economy? How many jobs? Compared to what could be built on the peninsula if there was no need to get cars there to go on a huge ferry? This should be seen as an opportunity to explore what could be built there that will provide a massive boost to the local economy (hundreds of millions) and then much more than Condor could bring in on an annual basis. Think about all of the new state-of-the-art facilities to play, stay, live, eat, entertain, educate, inform, enlighten and just plain hangout and look at the views (all year round!) in true 21st century style that could be built on the peninsula. Think about how we enjoyed the seafront during the Olympics when it was pedestrianised. This could be the change to think boldly, to transform the town, to inject huge investment, to create lot more jobs and encourage new businesses and young families to move here for a better work/life balance. This could be fantastic because it can let the town reinvent itself. We have new council leadership and a new council CEO and for the first time in decades the council is creating a vision for Weymouth town centre. This is exciting, I think we should all start to dream and talk about what we want to see on the peninsula.
Don't panic folks! How much money do you think Condor contribute to the local economy? How many jobs? Compared to what could be built on the peninsula if there was no need to get cars there to go on a huge ferry? This should be seen as an opportunity to explore what could be built there that will provide a massive boost to the local economy (hundreds of millions) and then much more than Condor could bring in on an annual basis. Think about all of the new state-of-the-art facilities to play, stay, live, eat, entertain, educate, inform, enlighten and just plain hangout and look at the views (all year round!) in true 21st century style that could be built on the peninsula. Think about how we enjoyed the seafront during the Olympics when it was pedestrianised. This could be the change to think boldly, to transform the town, to inject huge investment, to create lot more jobs and encourage new businesses and young families to move here for a better work/life balance. This could be fantastic because it can let the town reinvent itself. We have new council leadership and a new council CEO and for the first time in decades the council is creating a vision for Weymouth town centre. This is exciting, I think we should all start to dream and talk about what we want to see on the peninsula. WeyPeninsula
  • Score: 64

9:03am Wed 20 Aug 14

PHonnor says...

Whats the chances of enticing Brittany Ferries or some other operator to use the port? Yes, people can blame W&PBC for literately wasting 4 million quid but did they know at the time CONdor where planning on brining in a larger vessel? If so then all the work could of been carried out to accommodate the larger vessel, if not you cant really blame them.
Whats the chances of enticing Brittany Ferries or some other operator to use the port? Yes, people can blame W&PBC for literately wasting 4 million quid but did they know at the time CONdor where planning on brining in a larger vessel? If so then all the work could of been carried out to accommodate the larger vessel, if not you cant really blame them. PHonnor
  • Score: 5

9:05am Wed 20 Aug 14

PHonnor says...

WeyPeninsula wrote:
Don't panic folks! How much money do you think Condor contribute to the local economy? How many jobs? Compared to what could be built on the peninsula if there was no need to get cars there to go on a huge ferry? This should be seen as an opportunity to explore what could be built there that will provide a massive boost to the local economy (hundreds of millions) and then much more than Condor could bring in on an annual basis. Think about all of the new state-of-the-art facilities to play, stay, live, eat, entertain, educate, inform, enlighten and just plain hangout and look at the views (all year round!) in true 21st century style that could be built on the peninsula. Think about how we enjoyed the seafront during the Olympics when it was pedestrianised. This could be the change to think boldly, to transform the town, to inject huge investment, to create lot more jobs and encourage new businesses and young families to move here for a better work/life balance. This could be fantastic because it can let the town reinvent itself. We have new council leadership and a new council CEO and for the first time in decades the council is creating a vision for Weymouth town centre. This is exciting, I think we should all start to dream and talk about what we want to see on the peninsula.
Great! Get on with it!!!!
[quote][p][bold]WeyPeninsula[/bold] wrote: Don't panic folks! How much money do you think Condor contribute to the local economy? How many jobs? Compared to what could be built on the peninsula if there was no need to get cars there to go on a huge ferry? This should be seen as an opportunity to explore what could be built there that will provide a massive boost to the local economy (hundreds of millions) and then much more than Condor could bring in on an annual basis. Think about all of the new state-of-the-art facilities to play, stay, live, eat, entertain, educate, inform, enlighten and just plain hangout and look at the views (all year round!) in true 21st century style that could be built on the peninsula. Think about how we enjoyed the seafront during the Olympics when it was pedestrianised. This could be the change to think boldly, to transform the town, to inject huge investment, to create lot more jobs and encourage new businesses and young families to move here for a better work/life balance. This could be fantastic because it can let the town reinvent itself. We have new council leadership and a new council CEO and for the first time in decades the council is creating a vision for Weymouth town centre. This is exciting, I think we should all start to dream and talk about what we want to see on the peninsula.[/p][/quote]Great! Get on with it!!!! PHonnor
  • Score: 6

9:06am Wed 20 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

cosmick wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?
Oh for heaven's sake, surely everyone could see that it was hardly practical to operate it from Weymouth. Get over it and stop wailing that "we're doomed". No amount of vision would be able to reconstruct the harbour, there are physical restraints on the size of vessel than can be accommodated, simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?[/p][/quote]Oh for heaven's sake, surely everyone could see that it was hardly practical to operate it from Weymouth. Get over it and stop wailing that "we're doomed". No amount of vision would be able to reconstruct the harbour, there are physical restraints on the size of vessel than can be accommodated, simple as that. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 22

9:07am Wed 20 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

ThomasFairfax wrote:
Why should anyone be shocked and surprised by this story?
On the 19th April I blogged this entry.
http://new-agenda201

2.blogspot.co.uk/201

4/04/the-writing-has

-been-on-wall-for-al

most.html

Today, channelonline.tv carries the following:
"Condor Ferries has bought a new £50 million high speed vessel.
The latest addition to the fleet will come into service in spring 2015.
The purchase follows the news Condor secured a ten-year licence to provide Jersey and Guernsey with ferry services.
The Austal 102 trimaran can carry 1,165 passengers, 254 cars and has a 630 nautical mile range.
The new licence allows for a rival operator to set up providing it can match Condor's services.
CEO James Fulford said: "I am delighted to announce that we are now proud owners of the Austal 102. This represents £50m of investment in our Islands and it will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort.
"We plan to introduce the 102 in spring 2015 and, in the months ahead, we will be sharing more details about this superb new ship and announcing ways in which Islanders can be involved in our preparations."

When it comes to planning, foresight and commonsense, it seems that the States of Jersey are streets ahead of the Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.
Are you on some kind of commission for repeating this blog entry of yours at every single opportunity you get?
[quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Why should anyone be shocked and surprised by this story? On the 19th April I blogged this entry. http://new-agenda201 2.blogspot.co.uk/201 4/04/the-writing-has -been-on-wall-for-al most.html Today, channelonline.tv carries the following: "Condor Ferries has bought a new £50 million high speed vessel. The latest addition to the fleet will come into service in spring 2015. The purchase follows the news Condor secured a ten-year licence to provide Jersey and Guernsey with ferry services. The Austal 102 trimaran can carry 1,165 passengers, 254 cars and has a 630 nautical mile range. The new licence allows for a rival operator to set up providing it can match Condor's services. CEO James Fulford said: "I am delighted to announce that we are now proud owners of the Austal 102. This represents £50m of investment in our Islands and it will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort. "We plan to introduce the 102 in spring 2015 and, in the months ahead, we will be sharing more details about this superb new ship and announcing ways in which Islanders can be involved in our preparations." When it comes to planning, foresight and commonsense, it seems that the States of Jersey are streets ahead of the Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.[/p][/quote]Are you on some kind of commission for repeating this blog entry of yours at every single opportunity you get? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 18

9:10am Wed 20 Aug 14

Rocksalt says...

I agree with WeyPeninsula. Now the decision has been made we should see it as an opportunity. An opportunity that might result in development that brings clear economic benefits through increased local and visitor trade.
I agree with WeyPeninsula. Now the decision has been made we should see it as an opportunity. An opportunity that might result in development that brings clear economic benefits through increased local and visitor trade. Rocksalt
  • Score: 32

9:12am Wed 20 Aug 14

marabout says...

Condor want to stay in Weymouth as it saves them money. The route from Poole to the CI's takes longer, uses more fuel and is not as efficient as the Weymouth route.

Condor would rush back to Weymouth if only the new vessel would fit. The answer is to make the necessary repairs and extensions to the harbour and Condor would be straight back.

If we do not make those repairs then that is the last we see of Condor.
Condor want to stay in Weymouth as it saves them money. The route from Poole to the CI's takes longer, uses more fuel and is not as efficient as the Weymouth route. Condor would rush back to Weymouth if only the new vessel would fit. The answer is to make the necessary repairs and extensions to the harbour and Condor would be straight back. If we do not make those repairs then that is the last we see of Condor. marabout
  • Score: 4

9:32am Wed 20 Aug 14

Not_A_Moronic_Thug says...

I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am... Not_A_Moronic_Thug
  • Score: 22

9:34am Wed 20 Aug 14

ThomasFairfax says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
ThomasFairfax wrote:
Why should anyone be shocked and surprised by this story?
On the 19th April I blogged this entry.
http://new-agenda201


2.blogspot.co.uk/201


4/04/the-writing-has


-been-on-wall-for-al


most.html

Today, channelonline.tv carries the following:
"Condor Ferries has bought a new £50 million high speed vessel.
The latest addition to the fleet will come into service in spring 2015.
The purchase follows the news Condor secured a ten-year licence to provide Jersey and Guernsey with ferry services.
The Austal 102 trimaran can carry 1,165 passengers, 254 cars and has a 630 nautical mile range.
The new licence allows for a rival operator to set up providing it can match Condor's services.
CEO James Fulford said: "I am delighted to announce that we are now proud owners of the Austal 102. This represents £50m of investment in our Islands and it will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort.
"We plan to introduce the 102 in spring 2015 and, in the months ahead, we will be sharing more details about this superb new ship and announcing ways in which Islanders can be involved in our preparations."

When it comes to planning, foresight and commonsense, it seems that the States of Jersey are streets ahead of the Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.
Are you on some kind of commission for repeating this blog entry of yours at every single opportunity you get?
The answer is no I am not.
You should read what is written rather than what you think is written.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThomasFairfax[/bold] wrote: Why should anyone be shocked and surprised by this story? On the 19th April I blogged this entry. http://new-agenda201 2.blogspot.co.uk/201 4/04/the-writing-has -been-on-wall-for-al most.html Today, channelonline.tv carries the following: "Condor Ferries has bought a new £50 million high speed vessel. The latest addition to the fleet will come into service in spring 2015. The purchase follows the news Condor secured a ten-year licence to provide Jersey and Guernsey with ferry services. The Austal 102 trimaran can carry 1,165 passengers, 254 cars and has a 630 nautical mile range. The new licence allows for a rival operator to set up providing it can match Condor's services. CEO James Fulford said: "I am delighted to announce that we are now proud owners of the Austal 102. This represents £50m of investment in our Islands and it will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort. "We plan to introduce the 102 in spring 2015 and, in the months ahead, we will be sharing more details about this superb new ship and announcing ways in which Islanders can be involved in our preparations." When it comes to planning, foresight and commonsense, it seems that the States of Jersey are streets ahead of the Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.[/p][/quote]Are you on some kind of commission for repeating this blog entry of yours at every single opportunity you get?[/p][/quote]The answer is no I am not. You should read what is written rather than what you think is written. ThomasFairfax
  • Score: -8

9:37am Wed 20 Aug 14

islandman says...

WeyPeninsula wrote:
Don't panic folks! How much money do you think Condor contribute to the local economy? How many jobs? Compared to what could be built on the peninsula if there was no need to get cars there to go on a huge ferry? This should be seen as an opportunity to explore what could be built there that will provide a massive boost to the local economy (hundreds of millions) and then much more than Condor could bring in on an annual basis. Think about all of the new state-of-the-art facilities to play, stay, live, eat, entertain, educate, inform, enlighten and just plain hangout and look at the views (all year round!) in true 21st century style that could be built on the peninsula. Think about how we enjoyed the seafront during the Olympics when it was pedestrianised. This could be the change to think boldly, to transform the town, to inject huge investment, to create lot more jobs and encourage new businesses and young families to move here for a better work/life balance. This could be fantastic because it can let the town reinvent itself. We have new council leadership and a new council CEO and for the first time in decades the council is creating a vision for Weymouth town centre. This is exciting, I think we should all start to dream and talk about what we want to see on the peninsula.
Me thinks these are the words from JW ?
[quote][p][bold]WeyPeninsula[/bold] wrote: Don't panic folks! How much money do you think Condor contribute to the local economy? How many jobs? Compared to what could be built on the peninsula if there was no need to get cars there to go on a huge ferry? This should be seen as an opportunity to explore what could be built there that will provide a massive boost to the local economy (hundreds of millions) and then much more than Condor could bring in on an annual basis. Think about all of the new state-of-the-art facilities to play, stay, live, eat, entertain, educate, inform, enlighten and just plain hangout and look at the views (all year round!) in true 21st century style that could be built on the peninsula. Think about how we enjoyed the seafront during the Olympics when it was pedestrianised. This could be the change to think boldly, to transform the town, to inject huge investment, to create lot more jobs and encourage new businesses and young families to move here for a better work/life balance. This could be fantastic because it can let the town reinvent itself. We have new council leadership and a new council CEO and for the first time in decades the council is creating a vision for Weymouth town centre. This is exciting, I think we should all start to dream and talk about what we want to see on the peninsula.[/p][/quote]Me thinks these are the words from JW ? islandman
  • Score: -2

9:46am Wed 20 Aug 14

PORTLAND ROVER says...

Condor have been holding the town to ransom for years... Condor want to use the town to save money on extra fuel and to reduce waiting time to get in and out of Poole.

If they are not willing to help fund the berth development... let them go.

When they realise how much more expensive it is to run from Poole, I dare say they will approach the borough again with a new strategy.

As I see it... The borough should now market the old refurbished berth to allow large super yachts to use the facilities.

Just a thought.
Condor have been holding the town to ransom for years... Condor want to use the town to save money on extra fuel and to reduce waiting time to get in and out of Poole. If they are not willing to help fund the berth development... let them go. When they realise how much more expensive it is to run from Poole, I dare say they will approach the borough again with a new strategy. As I see it... The borough should now market the old refurbished berth to allow large super yachts to use the facilities. Just a thought. PORTLAND ROVER
  • Score: 31

10:05am Wed 20 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor.

To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site.

As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future.

Simon N.
James F is a good bloke, I think he would have done everything he could to stay in Weymouth, things haven't gone entirely the way he wanted and although he has made pleasant comments about Poole, we are the second choice, he is generally well respected, especially from his last company. Of course it is all down to costs at the end of the day, and itvis going to cost them more to run from Poole, but at least the door is open.

Think it has been difficult for everyone involved. Like said, trying not to gloat over it, I have friends and family in Weymouth who will be affected and they know who is behind Ferryfan (or Khaines to some :-) )
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor. To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site. As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future. Simon N.[/p][/quote]James F is a good bloke, I think he would have done everything he could to stay in Weymouth, things haven't gone entirely the way he wanted and although he has made pleasant comments about Poole, we are the second choice, he is generally well respected, especially from his last company. Of course it is all down to costs at the end of the day, and itvis going to cost them more to run from Poole, but at least the door is open. Think it has been difficult for everyone involved. Like said, trying not to gloat over it, I have friends and family in Weymouth who will be affected and they know who is behind Ferryfan (or Khaines to some :-) ) FerryFan
  • Score: -1

10:27am Wed 20 Aug 14

MrTomSmith says...

I actually agree with WeyPeninsula, Jason has all his prayers answered, because this leaves the area open to a multi million pound project that could bring in far more than a ferry. I don't agree everything he proposes but I do on this one. This is time for Weymouth to really get a grip of this neglected and scruffy area. I even think this is the time for the Pavilion to go, BUT I would like to see a new theatre built in it's place.

This is the time to get rid of the cars at the top end of town, it is the best chance we have had. We had to pander to Condor for far too long in a town that is not meant to be a Port, it is fishing harbour, and yes recreational boats and yachts. The new ferry would have 245 cars that have to into town and out again, it is ridiculous.

Regenerate the Peninsular, its time. They are going to do us a really big favour. Might take a few years, but it will pay off in the end.
I actually agree with WeyPeninsula, Jason has all his prayers answered, because this leaves the area open to a multi million pound project that could bring in far more than a ferry. I don't agree everything he proposes but I do on this one. This is time for Weymouth to really get a grip of this neglected and scruffy area. I even think this is the time for the Pavilion to go, BUT I would like to see a new theatre built in it's place. This is the time to get rid of the cars at the top end of town, it is the best chance we have had. We had to pander to Condor for far too long in a town that is not meant to be a Port, it is fishing harbour, and yes recreational boats and yachts. The new ferry would have 245 cars that have to into town and out again, it is ridiculous. Regenerate the Peninsular, its time. They are going to do us a really big favour. Might take a few years, but it will pay off in the end. MrTomSmith
  • Score: 21

10:28am Wed 20 Aug 14

PHonnor says...

FerryFan wrote:
Simon 1965 wrote:
Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor.

To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site.

As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future.

Simon N.
James F is a good bloke, I think he would have done everything he could to stay in Weymouth, things haven't gone entirely the way he wanted and although he has made pleasant comments about Poole, we are the second choice, he is generally well respected, especially from his last company. Of course it is all down to costs at the end of the day, and itvis going to cost them more to run from Poole, but at least the door is open.

Think it has been difficult for everyone involved. Like said, trying not to gloat over it, I have friends and family in Weymouth who will be affected and they know who is behind Ferryfan (or Khaines to some :-) )
For all his nice words he is expecting W&PBC to cough up another 10 million quid on top of the 14 million it has already spent. How long would it take that 14 million to be recouped by W&PBC and local businesses? Even if it was not intentional he comes across as playing Weymouth and Poole off against each other and yes its about costs so lets see how hit in profit will go down with its shareholders.
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor. To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site. As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future. Simon N.[/p][/quote]James F is a good bloke, I think he would have done everything he could to stay in Weymouth, things haven't gone entirely the way he wanted and although he has made pleasant comments about Poole, we are the second choice, he is generally well respected, especially from his last company. Of course it is all down to costs at the end of the day, and itvis going to cost them more to run from Poole, but at least the door is open. Think it has been difficult for everyone involved. Like said, trying not to gloat over it, I have friends and family in Weymouth who will be affected and they know who is behind Ferryfan (or Khaines to some :-) )[/p][/quote]For all his nice words he is expecting W&PBC to cough up another 10 million quid on top of the 14 million it has already spent. How long would it take that 14 million to be recouped by W&PBC and local businesses? Even if it was not intentional he comes across as playing Weymouth and Poole off against each other and yes its about costs so lets see how hit in profit will go down with its shareholders. PHonnor
  • Score: 5

10:31am Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Do you count me as one of the “great unwashed”? – my family and I choose to holiday in Weymouth regularly, spending up to one month per year in the resort. We all shower or both daily, and I have a good job and drive an almost new top of the range family saloon.

Have you ever thought that some of these ice cream parlours, not to mention many of the (still considerable) number of shops in the town centre would even be there, if it was not for the money spent by us “great unwashed”.

Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Do you count me as one of the “great unwashed”? – my family and I choose to holiday in Weymouth regularly, spending up to one month per year in the resort. We all shower or both daily, and I have a good job and drive an almost new top of the range family saloon. Have you ever thought that some of these ice cream parlours, not to mention many of the (still considerable) number of shops in the town centre would even be there, if it was not for the money spent by us “great unwashed”. Simon N. Simon 1965
  • Score: 26

10:34am Wed 20 Aug 14

MrTomSmith says...

dave.flowers wrote:
why don't they use our natural deep water port of Portland??????
How many more times does this have to be explained. Dear god.
[quote][p][bold]dave.flowers[/bold] wrote: why don't they use our natural deep water port of Portland??????[/p][/quote]How many more times does this have to be explained. Dear god. MrTomSmith
  • Score: 12

10:37am Wed 20 Aug 14

PHonnor says...

PHonnor wrote:
FerryFan wrote:
Simon 1965 wrote:
Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor.

To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site.

As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future.

Simon N.
James F is a good bloke, I think he would have done everything he could to stay in Weymouth, things haven't gone entirely the way he wanted and although he has made pleasant comments about Poole, we are the second choice, he is generally well respected, especially from his last company. Of course it is all down to costs at the end of the day, and itvis going to cost them more to run from Poole, but at least the door is open.

Think it has been difficult for everyone involved. Like said, trying not to gloat over it, I have friends and family in Weymouth who will be affected and they know who is behind Ferryfan (or Khaines to some :-) )
For all his nice words he is expecting W&PBC to cough up another 10 million quid on top of the 14 million it has already spent. How long would it take that 14 million to be recouped by W&PBC and local businesses? Even if it was not intentional he comes across as playing Weymouth and Poole off against each other and yes its about costs so lets see how hit in profit will go down with its shareholders.
4 million even!
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: Ironcially if you look at the history of comments on this web-site since the uncertainty broke in April, very few people who post here wanted the council to spend 10 more million pounds on Condor. To be fair to the council, they have indeed refused to fund this themselves, or borrow money to do so, so why they are now being blaimed for losing Condor is beyond me, but typical of the posters on this site. As for Condor, I disagree with Ferry Fan - they have handled this awfully from day one, and I have no respect for Fulfood at all. I do however wish all the local staff who will now lose their jobs all the best for the future. Simon N.[/p][/quote]James F is a good bloke, I think he would have done everything he could to stay in Weymouth, things haven't gone entirely the way he wanted and although he has made pleasant comments about Poole, we are the second choice, he is generally well respected, especially from his last company. Of course it is all down to costs at the end of the day, and itvis going to cost them more to run from Poole, but at least the door is open. Think it has been difficult for everyone involved. Like said, trying not to gloat over it, I have friends and family in Weymouth who will be affected and they know who is behind Ferryfan (or Khaines to some :-) )[/p][/quote]For all his nice words he is expecting W&PBC to cough up another 10 million quid on top of the 14 million it has already spent. How long would it take that 14 million to be recouped by W&PBC and local businesses? Even if it was not intentional he comes across as playing Weymouth and Poole off against each other and yes its about costs so lets see how hit in profit will go down with its shareholders.[/p][/quote]4 million even! PHonnor
  • Score: 1

11:07am Wed 20 Aug 14

Bert Fry says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Do you count me as one of the “great unwashed”? – my family and I choose to holiday in Weymouth regularly, spending up to one month per year in the resort. We all shower or both daily, and I have a good job and drive an almost new top of the range family saloon.

Have you ever thought that some of these ice cream parlours, not to mention many of the (still considerable) number of shops in the town centre would even be there, if it was not for the money spent by us “great unwashed”.

Simon N.
I don't think he means you Simon, rather the hoards of drunken youths, sunburnt yobs and other undesirables that seem to roam the town in summer. It was noticeable, to me at least, how much more pleasant the town was during the Olympics when cars were absent and more monied tourists were about.
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Do you count me as one of the “great unwashed”? – my family and I choose to holiday in Weymouth regularly, spending up to one month per year in the resort. We all shower or both daily, and I have a good job and drive an almost new top of the range family saloon. Have you ever thought that some of these ice cream parlours, not to mention many of the (still considerable) number of shops in the town centre would even be there, if it was not for the money spent by us “great unwashed”. Simon N.[/p][/quote]I don't think he means you Simon, rather the hoards of drunken youths, sunburnt yobs and other undesirables that seem to roam the town in summer. It was noticeable, to me at least, how much more pleasant the town was during the Olympics when cars were absent and more monied tourists were about. Bert Fry
  • Score: 14

11:22am Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

cosmick wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?
Unfortunately, this announcement would have come even if the council had found the additional 10 million pounds. The new boat (once purchase had been agreed) was always going to enter service in April 2015 in Poole as the construction period for Weymouth berth 1 would take up to two years. The only difference here being that funding for the berth has not been secured, so no date for Condor`s return can be given.

As Ferry fan correctly states above however, Poole was always Condor`s second choice – despite Mr Fulford`s “gushing” comments regarding Poole today, he knows as well as anybody as this was not the way this was meant to “play out” and that their bottom line (profit wise) and operational flexibility will be taking a significant knock for as long as they are forced to operate from there.

I had hoped that Express or Vitesse would have been retained at Weymouth until berth 1 was finally funded, but I suppose the additional cost of running this new boat from Poole presumably means that they cannot carry the additional cost of continuing to run a second vessel.

It’s a big gamble for them however, as if this new boat does not work “out of the box” as they hope, they have left themselves with no fast ferry back up plan at all.

Will Weymouth ever see a fast ferry service again? I honestly don`t know – in theory the answer is no, but we have been in this situation before. With Condor it all depends on how the passenger numbers hold up at Poole – the last time they left on a permanent basis (1996) was temporary, they were forced back as early as 1998. Also, it goes without saying that if funding to redevelop berth 1 is found, they will back as soon as the work is completed.

In addition, Condor`s new contact is not exclusive, so it does allow for another operator (maybe one new to the industry) to exploit what will be a major gap in the market.

As for redevelopment of the terminal as a major attraction, the overall area is probably not big enough. Also, the major players in the entertainment industry are more than aware that in the 21st century, people will not walk anywhere, so a large “on site” car park” will be needed. Wil there be room for this? No, not even if it was a multi storey, not that the liberals traditionalists in the town would ever allow that to happen. Unfortunately, as with the Howard Holdings scheme of five years ago, any redevelopment of this area would have to be funded primarily by a substantial residential content.

However, as for Weymouth as a whole, all is not lost. I have been in contact with senior management at bus company First recently on unrelated issues. They tell me that they have been taken surprise by the number of visitors to the town this Summer – their statistics reveal that numbers have been significantly higher than anticipated, and certainly up on any of the past three years.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, this announcement would have come even if the council had found the additional 10 million pounds. The new boat (once purchase had been agreed) was always going to enter service in April 2015 in Poole as the construction period for Weymouth berth 1 would take up to two years. The only difference here being that funding for the berth has not been secured, so no date for Condor`s return can be given. As Ferry fan correctly states above however, Poole was always Condor`s second choice – despite Mr Fulford`s “gushing” comments regarding Poole today, he knows as well as anybody as this was not the way this was meant to “play out” and that their bottom line (profit wise) and operational flexibility will be taking a significant knock for as long as they are forced to operate from there. I had hoped that Express or Vitesse would have been retained at Weymouth until berth 1 was finally funded, but I suppose the additional cost of running this new boat from Poole presumably means that they cannot carry the additional cost of continuing to run a second vessel. It’s a big gamble for them however, as if this new boat does not work “out of the box” as they hope, they have left themselves with no fast ferry back up plan at all. Will Weymouth ever see a fast ferry service again? I honestly don`t know – in theory the answer is no, but we have been in this situation before. With Condor it all depends on how the passenger numbers hold up at Poole – the last time they left on a permanent basis (1996) was temporary, they were forced back as early as 1998. Also, it goes without saying that if funding to redevelop berth 1 is found, they will back as soon as the work is completed. In addition, Condor`s new contact is not exclusive, so it does allow for another operator (maybe one new to the industry) to exploit what will be a major gap in the market. As for redevelopment of the terminal as a major attraction, the overall area is probably not big enough. Also, the major players in the entertainment industry are more than aware that in the 21st century, people will not walk anywhere, so a large “on site” car park” will be needed. Wil there be room for this? No, not even if it was a multi storey, not that the liberals traditionalists in the town would ever allow that to happen. Unfortunately, as with the Howard Holdings scheme of five years ago, any redevelopment of this area would have to be funded primarily by a substantial residential content. However, as for Weymouth as a whole, all is not lost. I have been in contact with senior management at bus company First recently on unrelated issues. They tell me that they have been taken surprise by the number of visitors to the town this Summer – their statistics reveal that numbers have been significantly higher than anticipated, and certainly up on any of the past three years. Simon 1965
  • Score: 12

11:34am Wed 20 Aug 14

trymybest says...

As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open.
As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open. trymybest
  • Score: 3

11:39am Wed 20 Aug 14

whatever66 says...

maybe now W&P will stop wasting money on items like the gateway to the car park and stones on tall sticks and start spending the towns money on getting the town right.
maybe now W&P will stop wasting money on items like the gateway to the car park and stones on tall sticks and start spending the towns money on getting the town right. whatever66
  • Score: 10

11:44am Wed 20 Aug 14

railwaychickenboy6 says...

The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come
The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come railwaychickenboy6
  • Score: -1

11:51am Wed 20 Aug 14

jjlad2 says...

It would be nice if a smaller, faster service came to Weymouth, forget about Car carrying and concentrate on the walk ons and Day trippers we once thrived on in Weymouth. I'm sure Jersey/Guernsey/St Malo would welcome them in droves for their economy.
No need for deep water, the only draw back being a smaller vessel, it would be more proned to weather crossing restrictions, but their are plenty of fast cats out their that can carry up to 200 a time. if i had the money, sure would be something i would look at, who knows, someone even might be now Condor is going/gone, here's hoping as i will make at least 5 trips in the summer season
It would be nice if a smaller, faster service came to Weymouth, forget about Car carrying and concentrate on the walk ons and Day trippers we once thrived on in Weymouth. I'm sure Jersey/Guernsey/St Malo would welcome them in droves for their economy. No need for deep water, the only draw back being a smaller vessel, it would be more proned to weather crossing restrictions, but their are plenty of fast cats out their that can carry up to 200 a time. if i had the money, sure would be something i would look at, who knows, someone even might be now Condor is going/gone, here's hoping as i will make at least 5 trips in the summer season jjlad2
  • Score: 15

11:51am Wed 20 Aug 14

CaughtJester says...

railwaychickenboy6 wrote:
The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come
Can't wait for when the next erections come.
[quote][p][bold]railwaychickenboy6[/bold] wrote: The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come[/p][/quote]Can't wait for when the next erections come. CaughtJester
  • Score: 23

11:52am Wed 20 Aug 14

MrTomSmith says...

trymybest wrote:
As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open.
Because that would be silly, are you on the council?
[quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open.[/p][/quote]Because that would be silly, are you on the council? MrTomSmith
  • Score: 4

11:52am Wed 20 Aug 14

weynick says...

Neither Poole nor Weymouth are suitable for these ferries, as others have said Portland is best place for these ferries to run from for so many reasons; not least the fuel saving and ability to reach top speed quickly for the ferries; and moving the traffic away from the town centre to a situation where it can be better managed.
Neither Poole nor Weymouth are suitable for these ferries, as others have said Portland is best place for these ferries to run from for so many reasons; not least the fuel saving and ability to reach top speed quickly for the ferries; and moving the traffic away from the town centre to a situation where it can be better managed. weynick
  • Score: -4

11:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

railwaychickenboy6 says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
This has to be the impetus needed to completely redevelop the whole ferry terminal peninsula.

In any new development the port of Weymouth has to future-proof ferry operations by being able to accommodate the largest ferries possible for the next 30 years.
Well said Captain, but unfortunately the council are so much up their own arses ( other words are available ) they have failed to sea what they have done, they had one shot and blew it
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: This has to be the impetus needed to completely redevelop the whole ferry terminal peninsula. In any new development the port of Weymouth has to future-proof ferry operations by being able to accommodate the largest ferries possible for the next 30 years.[/p][/quote]Well said Captain, but unfortunately the council are so much up their own arses ( other words are available ) they have failed to sea what they have done, they had one shot and blew it railwaychickenboy6
  • Score: -2

12:12pm Wed 20 Aug 14

February1948 says...

Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Are you never a holiday-maker in another part of the country then, strolling along and blocking the pavements?!
[quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Are you never a holiday-maker in another part of the country then, strolling along and blocking the pavements?! February1948
  • Score: 7

12:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

weynick wrote:
Neither Poole nor Weymouth are suitable for these ferries, as others have said Portland is best place for these ferries to run from for so many reasons; not least the fuel saving and ability to reach top speed quickly for the ferries; and moving the traffic away from the town centre to a situation where it can be better managed.
As Mr Tom Smith has already pointed out earleir in this strand of e-mails, the reasons why Portland is not suitable as a ferry terminal has been given and debated to death on previous topics realted to the Condor uncertainty.

Simon N.
[quote][p][bold]weynick[/bold] wrote: Neither Poole nor Weymouth are suitable for these ferries, as others have said Portland is best place for these ferries to run from for so many reasons; not least the fuel saving and ability to reach top speed quickly for the ferries; and moving the traffic away from the town centre to a situation where it can be better managed.[/p][/quote]As Mr Tom Smith has already pointed out earleir in this strand of e-mails, the reasons why Portland is not suitable as a ferry terminal has been given and debated to death on previous topics realted to the Condor uncertainty. Simon N. Simon 1965
  • Score: 6

12:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

railwaychickenboy6 wrote:
The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come
I take it you will be standing as a councillor yourself then?
[quote][p][bold]railwaychickenboy6[/bold] wrote: The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come[/p][/quote]I take it you will be standing as a councillor yourself then? Simon 1965
  • Score: 5

12:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

martaaay2 says...

Comes a time when its best to say farewell, mistakes have been made, largely by our council, however condor should have been more honest with their plans for a bigger ship instead of allowing us to spend all our money on repairing the existing berth to cater for their return

Good luck to condor and its passengers sailing from Poole... condor can enjoy higher costs to run the service and its passengers can look forward to increased sailing times, less frequent crossings and inevitably higher ticket costs despite condor's denials that they will. The new boat does look stunning and if it's half as good as what was mentioned on bbc solent this morning it should be a better experience for anyone using them.

Weymouth needs to move on, a new door may open because of this however anyone on the council connected with this complete shambles 1) for not maintaining the existing berth and 2) for not getting them to sign a long contract when we did repair said berth should just go
Comes a time when its best to say farewell, mistakes have been made, largely by our council, however condor should have been more honest with their plans for a bigger ship instead of allowing us to spend all our money on repairing the existing berth to cater for their return Good luck to condor and its passengers sailing from Poole... condor can enjoy higher costs to run the service and its passengers can look forward to increased sailing times, less frequent crossings and inevitably higher ticket costs despite condor's denials that they will. The new boat does look stunning and if it's half as good as what was mentioned on bbc solent this morning it should be a better experience for anyone using them. Weymouth needs to move on, a new door may open because of this however anyone on the council connected with this complete shambles 1) for not maintaining the existing berth and 2) for not getting them to sign a long contract when we did repair said berth should just go martaaay2
  • Score: 3

12:58pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Mindblower says...

Well no surprise here then - This is the outcome when Incompetents sit on their **** and don't move with the times - Weymouth needs leaders for 2014 and not 1964. A lesson for future perhaps but on past form will no doubt be ignored.
Well no surprise here then - This is the outcome when Incompetents sit on their **** and don't move with the times - Weymouth needs leaders for 2014 and not 1964. A lesson for future perhaps but on past form will no doubt be ignored. Mindblower
  • Score: 4

1:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Mindblower says...

Well The Echo censored my word it was a five letter word associated with donkeys, begins with A and ends in S
Well The Echo censored my word it was a five letter word associated with donkeys, begins with A and ends in S Mindblower
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

35vulcan35 says...

Good riddance to condor. Chuck 'em out now. Although the council at weymouth are rubbish, condor are greedy. It is now a fantastic opportunity to clear all the clutter and eyesores off the peninsula, and maximise it's potential as an area where locals and tourists can enjoy....but, it has to be thought through and planned properly. Not sure if the council are capable of this, though.
Good riddance to condor. Chuck 'em out now. Although the council at weymouth are rubbish, condor are greedy. It is now a fantastic opportunity to clear all the clutter and eyesores off the peninsula, and maximise it's potential as an area where locals and tourists can enjoy....but, it has to be thought through and planned properly. Not sure if the council are capable of this, though. 35vulcan35
  • Score: 33

1:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

CaughtJester says...

Mindblower wrote:
Well no surprise here then - This is the outcome when Incompetents sit on their **** and don't move with the times - Weymouth needs leaders for 2014 and not 1964. A lesson for future perhaps but on past form will no doubt be ignored.
Separating out the mess that was the harbour-wall debacle, your comment suggests that bowing and scraping to Condor's every whim is indeed the progressive and forward-thinking approach we need from our councillors.

If, from WPBC's perspective, the business case for going to significant lengths to keep Condor doesn't stack up then, perhaps, WPBC really is doing what's appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]Mindblower[/bold] wrote: Well no surprise here then - This is the outcome when Incompetents sit on their **** and don't move with the times - Weymouth needs leaders for 2014 and not 1964. A lesson for future perhaps but on past form will no doubt be ignored.[/p][/quote]Separating out the mess that was the harbour-wall debacle, your comment suggests that bowing and scraping to Condor's every whim is indeed the progressive and forward-thinking approach we need from our councillors. If, from WPBC's perspective, the business case for going to significant lengths to keep Condor doesn't stack up then, perhaps, WPBC really is doing what's appropriate. CaughtJester
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Wed 20 Aug 14

PHonnor says...

CaughtJester wrote:
railwaychickenboy6 wrote:
The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come
Can't wait for when the next erections come.
Erections? Are we talking about the Sealife tower or "something else"? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]CaughtJester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]railwaychickenboy6[/bold] wrote: The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come[/p][/quote]Can't wait for when the next erections come.[/p][/quote]Erections? Are we talking about the Sealife tower or "something else"? ;-) PHonnor
  • Score: 6

1:39pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Get a grip says...

whatever66 wrote:
maybe now W&P will stop wasting money on items like the gateway to the car park and stones on tall sticks and start spending the towns money on getting the town right.
I think you will find that these were not funded by W&PBC.
[quote][p][bold]whatever66[/bold] wrote: maybe now W&P will stop wasting money on items like the gateway to the car park and stones on tall sticks and start spending the towns money on getting the town right.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that these were not funded by W&PBC. Get a grip
  • Score: 7

1:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Get a grip says...

I agree that the council should now look at this area once more but open up all options.

Many of us might have grand ideas for the development of the sight but these have to be profitable for a developer to get involved in.

Bit please do not ask the property team at the council to advise as they have proved that they are not competent
I agree that the council should now look at this area once more but open up all options. Many of us might have grand ideas for the development of the sight but these have to be profitable for a developer to get involved in. Bit please do not ask the property team at the council to advise as they have proved that they are not competent Get a grip
  • Score: 3

2:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MadMicke12 says...

The situation is pretty simple.

1: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were the council aware that Condor was getting a newer, larger vessel that they wanted to run from Weymouth. If the answer to this is 'NO' then the council should be absolved from any liability as they were not aware of the need for a bigger berth.

2: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were Condor aware that they were getting a new vessel that would need bigger berthing facilities. I think we can take this as read as they had already paid a substantial deposit on the vessel at the time that berth three was being repaired. I think it can also be taken as read that they knew that this vessel would be the one they wanted to sail and base at Weymouth.

If Condor knew they were getting the new vessel and failed to communicate that to the council when plans were drawn up to repair berth three, then Condor is guilty of gross business mis-management, and are also guilty of causing the waste of £4M of taxpayers money into the bargain.

If, however, Condor told the council about the new vessel and their intent to sail it from Weymouth, then the council are guilty of gross asset mis-management and gross waste of tax payers money.

I am no supporter of the great majority of the councillors we have on our council, but there are some decent ones. But we should not blame the council for this unless we can prove they had fore-knowledge that Condor were getting and intended to sail, a new larger vessel from Weymouth.

As for the harbour fees wasted over the years, that is not an easy one to argue, as the main person responsible for the Harbour Manage Committee at that time is now deceased, but I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow.

All in all, I think there needs to be some form of public enquiry into how the council managed this fiasco, all the way back to 1998 when Condor returned from Poole after two years away.
The situation is pretty simple. 1: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were the council aware that Condor was getting a newer, larger vessel that they wanted to run from Weymouth. If the answer to this is 'NO' then the council should be absolved from any liability as they were not aware of the need for a bigger berth. 2: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were Condor aware that they were getting a new vessel that would need bigger berthing facilities. I think we can take this as read as they had already paid a substantial deposit on the vessel at the time that berth three was being repaired. I think it can also be taken as read that they knew that this vessel would be the one they wanted to sail and base at Weymouth. If Condor knew they were getting the new vessel and failed to communicate that to the council when plans were drawn up to repair berth three, then Condor is guilty of gross business mis-management, and are also guilty of causing the waste of £4M of taxpayers money into the bargain. If, however, Condor told the council about the new vessel and their intent to sail it from Weymouth, then the council are guilty of gross asset mis-management and gross waste of tax payers money. I am no supporter of the great majority of the councillors we have on our council, but there are some decent ones. But we should not blame the council for this unless we can prove they had fore-knowledge that Condor were getting and intended to sail, a new larger vessel from Weymouth. As for the harbour fees wasted over the years, that is not an easy one to argue, as the main person responsible for the Harbour Manage Committee at that time is now deceased, but I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow. All in all, I think there needs to be some form of public enquiry into how the council managed this fiasco, all the way back to 1998 when Condor returned from Poole after two years away. MadMicke12
  • Score: 17

2:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Douglas Mc says...

weynick wrote:
Neither Poole nor Weymouth are suitable for these ferries, as others have said Portland is best place for these ferries to run from for so many reasons; not least the fuel saving and ability to reach top speed quickly for the ferries; and moving the traffic away from the town centre to a situation where it can be better managed.
But is Portland Port willing to fund the works required for Condor?

The Weymouth Council Tax Payer apparently not for Weymouth - perhaps £500 per property?
[quote][p][bold]weynick[/bold] wrote: Neither Poole nor Weymouth are suitable for these ferries, as others have said Portland is best place for these ferries to run from for so many reasons; not least the fuel saving and ability to reach top speed quickly for the ferries; and moving the traffic away from the town centre to a situation where it can be better managed.[/p][/quote]But is Portland Port willing to fund the works required for Condor? The Weymouth Council Tax Payer apparently not for Weymouth - perhaps £500 per property? Douglas Mc
  • Score: -4

2:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

35vulcan35 wrote:
Good riddance to condor. Chuck 'em out now. Although the council at weymouth are rubbish, condor are greedy. It is now a fantastic opportunity to clear all the clutter and eyesores off the peninsula, and maximise it's potential as an area where locals and tourists can enjoy....but, it has to be thought through and planned properly. Not sure if the council are capable of this, though.
Well that makes sense, NOT - can I remind you they will still be contributing berthing fees every day they are still here, and local b&bs / hotels will still see the benefit as well.
[quote][p][bold]35vulcan35[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to condor. Chuck 'em out now. Although the council at weymouth are rubbish, condor are greedy. It is now a fantastic opportunity to clear all the clutter and eyesores off the peninsula, and maximise it's potential as an area where locals and tourists can enjoy....but, it has to be thought through and planned properly. Not sure if the council are capable of this, though.[/p][/quote]Well that makes sense, NOT - can I remind you they will still be contributing berthing fees every day they are still here, and local b&bs / hotels will still see the benefit as well. Simon 1965
  • Score: -18

2:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Douglas Mc says...

MadMicke12 wrote:
The situation is pretty simple.

1: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were the council aware that Condor was getting a newer, larger vessel that they wanted to run from Weymouth. If the answer to this is 'NO' then the council should be absolved from any liability as they were not aware of the need for a bigger berth.

2: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were Condor aware that they were getting a new vessel that would need bigger berthing facilities. I think we can take this as read as they had already paid a substantial deposit on the vessel at the time that berth three was being repaired. I think it can also be taken as read that they knew that this vessel would be the one they wanted to sail and base at Weymouth.

If Condor knew they were getting the new vessel and failed to communicate that to the council when plans were drawn up to repair berth three, then Condor is guilty of gross business mis-management, and are also guilty of causing the waste of £4M of taxpayers money into the bargain.

If, however, Condor told the council about the new vessel and their intent to sail it from Weymouth, then the council are guilty of gross asset mis-management and gross waste of tax payers money.

I am no supporter of the great majority of the councillors we have on our council, but there are some decent ones. But we should not blame the council for this unless we can prove they had fore-knowledge that Condor were getting and intended to sail, a new larger vessel from Weymouth.

As for the harbour fees wasted over the years, that is not an easy one to argue, as the main person responsible for the Harbour Manage Committee at that time is now deceased, but I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow.

All in all, I think there needs to be some form of public enquiry into how the council managed this fiasco, all the way back to 1998 when Condor returned from Poole after two years away.
"I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow"

I expect not quite that simple as revenue from car parks, harbours etc is used to reduce the need for Council Tax hikes that might otherwise be necessary to pay for the services W&PBC are obliged to supply. Even if W&PBC fund the harbour repairs Condor require it won't be W&PBC that will benefit significantly from the ferry operations - harbour dues apart. The rates from businesses that do benefit go to Central Government - not W&PBC.

Weymouth needs to move on from tourism - low pay seasonal employment - and attract high wage businesses.
[quote][p][bold]MadMicke12[/bold] wrote: The situation is pretty simple. 1: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were the council aware that Condor was getting a newer, larger vessel that they wanted to run from Weymouth. If the answer to this is 'NO' then the council should be absolved from any liability as they were not aware of the need for a bigger berth. 2: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were Condor aware that they were getting a new vessel that would need bigger berthing facilities. I think we can take this as read as they had already paid a substantial deposit on the vessel at the time that berth three was being repaired. I think it can also be taken as read that they knew that this vessel would be the one they wanted to sail and base at Weymouth. If Condor knew they were getting the new vessel and failed to communicate that to the council when plans were drawn up to repair berth three, then Condor is guilty of gross business mis-management, and are also guilty of causing the waste of £4M of taxpayers money into the bargain. If, however, Condor told the council about the new vessel and their intent to sail it from Weymouth, then the council are guilty of gross asset mis-management and gross waste of tax payers money. I am no supporter of the great majority of the councillors we have on our council, but there are some decent ones. But we should not blame the council for this unless we can prove they had fore-knowledge that Condor were getting and intended to sail, a new larger vessel from Weymouth. As for the harbour fees wasted over the years, that is not an easy one to argue, as the main person responsible for the Harbour Manage Committee at that time is now deceased, but I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow. All in all, I think there needs to be some form of public enquiry into how the council managed this fiasco, all the way back to 1998 when Condor returned from Poole after two years away.[/p][/quote]"I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow" I expect not quite that simple as revenue from car parks, harbours etc is used to reduce the need for Council Tax hikes that might otherwise be necessary to pay for the services W&PBC are obliged to supply. Even if W&PBC fund the harbour repairs Condor require it won't be W&PBC that will benefit significantly from the ferry operations - harbour dues apart. The rates from businesses that do benefit go to Central Government - not W&PBC. Weymouth needs to move on from tourism - low pay seasonal employment - and attract high wage businesses. Douglas Mc
  • Score: 6

2:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

JACKC says...

PHonnor wrote:
CaughtJester wrote:
railwaychickenboy6 wrote:
The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come
Can't wait for when the next erections come.
Erections? Are we talking about the Sealife tower or "something else"? ;-)
Love it!!! Ha Ha
[quote][p][bold]PHonnor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaughtJester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]railwaychickenboy6[/bold] wrote: The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come[/p][/quote]Can't wait for when the next erections come.[/p][/quote]Erections? Are we talking about the Sealife tower or "something else"? ;-)[/p][/quote]Love it!!! Ha Ha JACKC
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Wed 20 Aug 14

CoogarUK.com says...

dave.flowers wrote:
why don't they use our natural deep water port of Portland??????
No decent transport links.
[quote][p][bold]dave.flowers[/bold] wrote: why don't they use our natural deep water port of Portland??????[/p][/quote]No decent transport links. CoogarUK.com
  • Score: 6

2:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bob Goulding says...

My guess is that, if they could, Condor would not run any fast ferries from Weymouth or Poole as it is very hard to make them pay. As it is, they form part of a package of services licensed by the CI States, which include the more lucrative conventional freight and passenger services out of Portsmouth.

It is interesting that James Fulford claims that the £50m of investment ‘will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort’. How does he propose to improve reliability with one ship? How can he increase capacity by reducing the overall capacity on the route? I think passengers will deserve better comfort if only to compensate in part for the inevitable delays and longer journey times that they will have to endure.

Although £50m sounds like a lot of money, it isn’t (in shipping terms) when amortised over the working life of the vessel. Austal H270 was built in 2009, ‘delivered’ in January 2010 as a stock vessel and has been a financial mill-stone for Austal ever since. I suspect that Condor’s backers did a good deal on its acquisition and would have had to pay a lot more if they had to wait for a newly built craft.

To get this ‘investment’ into perspective, if you ignore financing costs and assume a working life of 10 years, the annual cost of H270 (£5m) is only half the additional fuel costs that will be incurred by operating out of Poole. I think there is more to come on this and I believe W&PBC are doing the right thing by keeping their (our) options open.
My guess is that, if they could, Condor would not run any fast ferries from Weymouth or Poole as it is very hard to make them pay. As it is, they form part of a package of services licensed by the CI States, which include the more lucrative conventional freight and passenger services out of Portsmouth. It is interesting that James Fulford claims that the £50m of investment ‘will enable us to improve reliability, increase capacity, and give our guests a much greater level of comfort’. How does he propose to improve reliability with one ship? How can he increase capacity by reducing the overall capacity on the route? I think passengers will deserve better comfort if only to compensate in part for the inevitable delays and longer journey times that they will have to endure. Although £50m sounds like a lot of money, it isn’t (in shipping terms) when amortised over the working life of the vessel. Austal H270 was built in 2009, ‘delivered’ in January 2010 as a stock vessel and has been a financial mill-stone for Austal ever since. I suspect that Condor’s backers did a good deal on its acquisition and would have had to pay a lot more if they had to wait for a newly built craft. To get this ‘investment’ into perspective, if you ignore financing costs and assume a working life of 10 years, the annual cost of H270 (£5m) is only half the additional fuel costs that will be incurred by operating out of Poole. I think there is more to come on this and I believe W&PBC are doing the right thing by keeping their (our) options open. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 8

3:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

CoogarUK.com says...

Everyone could see this coming, except for the politicians it seems.
Everyone could see this coming, except for the politicians it seems. CoogarUK.com
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

rjimmer says...

Just get the Western Route to Portland built so that Portland can realise it's full potential as one of only three deep-water ports on the Channel.
Just get the Western Route to Portland built so that Portland can realise it's full potential as one of only three deep-water ports on the Channel. rjimmer
  • Score: 6

4:13pm Wed 20 Aug 14

mr commonsense says...

I find it sad to read so many comments that do not address the real issue here . Condor are a commercial organisation that will operate from wherever it is best for them. Weymouth was that base but sadly the good councillors of W& P did nothing several years ago to understand that they had an asset ( the port) but did nothing to develop it for the inevitable increase in holiday traffic to foreign parts. The demise of Weymouth is one of the most distressing sites along the South Coast and being part of the Jurassic Coast is just throwing away opportunities. If W&P were a commercial organisation it would now be in the hands of the Receiver.
Shame on all public officials and elected members who have successfully destroyed a wonderful Victorian seaside town that had so much to offer the world.
I find it sad to read so many comments that do not address the real issue here . Condor are a commercial organisation that will operate from wherever it is best for them. Weymouth was that base but sadly the good councillors of W& P did nothing several years ago to understand that they had an asset ( the port) but did nothing to develop it for the inevitable increase in holiday traffic to foreign parts. The demise of Weymouth is one of the most distressing sites along the South Coast and being part of the Jurassic Coast is just throwing away opportunities. If W&P were a commercial organisation it would now be in the hands of the Receiver. Shame on all public officials and elected members who have successfully destroyed a wonderful Victorian seaside town that had so much to offer the world. mr commonsense
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Crimbo says...

Irrespective of the harbour wall repairs, the transport links into Weymouth are awful compared to Poole. Anyone who's tried driving to Weymouth or Dorchester via the A35 lately knows how bad the traffic jams are near Tolpuddle, and the routes from the west into the port are equally as clogged in summer. When you do eventually get onto the much vaunted multi-million pound Weymouth Relief Road you enter a world on crazy roundabouts, lane switches and poor signing that take you everywhere but where you need to be...
However the roads to Poole become good dual carriageways or wide, delay-free roads straight to the Ferry Terminal at Poole. They even seem to have got the Twin Sails bridge working more or less reliably now.
Sorry, but for the 21st century Poole just makes sense.
Irrespective of the harbour wall repairs, the transport links into Weymouth are awful compared to Poole. Anyone who's tried driving to Weymouth or Dorchester via the A35 lately knows how bad the traffic jams are near Tolpuddle, and the routes from the west into the port are equally as clogged in summer. When you do eventually get onto the much vaunted multi-million pound Weymouth Relief Road you enter a world on crazy roundabouts, lane switches and poor signing that take you everywhere but where you need to be... However the roads to Poole become good dual carriageways or wide, delay-free roads straight to the Ferry Terminal at Poole. They even seem to have got the Twin Sails bridge working more or less reliably now. Sorry, but for the 21st century Poole just makes sense. Crimbo
  • Score: 9

4:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

trymybest says...

MadMicke12 wrote:
The situation is pretty simple.

1: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were the council aware that Condor was getting a newer, larger vessel that they wanted to run from Weymouth. If the answer to this is 'NO' then the council should be absolved from any liability as they were not aware of the need for a bigger berth.

2: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were Condor aware that they were getting a new vessel that would need bigger berthing facilities. I think we can take this as read as they had already paid a substantial deposit on the vessel at the time that berth three was being repaired. I think it can also be taken as read that they knew that this vessel would be the one they wanted to sail and base at Weymouth.

If Condor knew they were getting the new vessel and failed to communicate that to the council when plans were drawn up to repair berth three, then Condor is guilty of gross business mis-management, and are also guilty of causing the waste of £4M of taxpayers money into the bargain.

If, however, Condor told the council about the new vessel and their intent to sail it from Weymouth, then the council are guilty of gross asset mis-management and gross waste of tax payers money.

I am no supporter of the great majority of the councillors we have on our council, but there are some decent ones. But we should not blame the council for this unless we can prove they had fore-knowledge that Condor were getting and intended to sail, a new larger vessel from Weymouth.

As for the harbour fees wasted over the years, that is not an easy one to argue, as the main person responsible for the Harbour Manage Committee at that time is now deceased, but I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow.

All in all, I think there needs to be some form of public enquiry into how the council managed this fiasco, all the way back to 1998 when Condor returned from Poole after two years away.
Yes l agree there should be some form of public enquiry, was it not 1998 that the council put the council tax up to subsidise the lose of income due to Condor again leaving Weymouth for Poole, the trouble is when Condor again returned to Weymouth the subsidy was never rescinded and we are still paying it today.
[quote][p][bold]MadMicke12[/bold] wrote: The situation is pretty simple. 1: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were the council aware that Condor was getting a newer, larger vessel that they wanted to run from Weymouth. If the answer to this is 'NO' then the council should be absolved from any liability as they were not aware of the need for a bigger berth. 2: At the time that berth three was being repaired, were Condor aware that they were getting a new vessel that would need bigger berthing facilities. I think we can take this as read as they had already paid a substantial deposit on the vessel at the time that berth three was being repaired. I think it can also be taken as read that they knew that this vessel would be the one they wanted to sail and base at Weymouth. If Condor knew they were getting the new vessel and failed to communicate that to the council when plans were drawn up to repair berth three, then Condor is guilty of gross business mis-management, and are also guilty of causing the waste of £4M of taxpayers money into the bargain. If, however, Condor told the council about the new vessel and their intent to sail it from Weymouth, then the council are guilty of gross asset mis-management and gross waste of tax payers money. I am no supporter of the great majority of the councillors we have on our council, but there are some decent ones. But we should not blame the council for this unless we can prove they had fore-knowledge that Condor were getting and intended to sail, a new larger vessel from Weymouth. As for the harbour fees wasted over the years, that is not an easy one to argue, as the main person responsible for the Harbour Manage Committee at that time is now deceased, but I have always said that money raised for one service should be ploughed back into the continued provision of that service, so to use those funds paid in harbour mooring fees for another reason is gross misconduct in my book - a bit like earning loads of money for your own business but not putting it back into the business to help it grow. All in all, I think there needs to be some form of public enquiry into how the council managed this fiasco, all the way back to 1998 when Condor returned from Poole after two years away.[/p][/quote]Yes l agree there should be some form of public enquiry, was it not 1998 that the council put the council tax up to subsidise the lose of income due to Condor again leaving Weymouth for Poole, the trouble is when Condor again returned to Weymouth the subsidy was never rescinded and we are still paying it today. trymybest
  • Score: 2

4:33pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Orangephoenix26 says...

Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Im not sure if a small minded local like yourself realises it but weymouth isn't another country were youhave to get your passport stamped to visit you know ,it is part of the uk, and as such i and my family will continue to visit as often,for as long as ,and when ever i bloody well please! And i will continue to sit on the beach and Que for an ice-creams at rossi 's ( i hope im infront of you buying the last one before they run out!)
[quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Im not sure if a small minded local like yourself realises it but weymouth isn't another country were youhave to get your passport stamped to visit you know ,it is part of the uk, and as such i and my family will continue to visit as often,for as long as ,and when ever i bloody well please! And i will continue to sit on the beach and Que for an ice-creams at rossi 's ( i hope im infront of you buying the last one before they run out!) Orangephoenix26
  • Score: 10

4:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

Crimbo wrote:
Irrespective of the harbour wall repairs, the transport links into Weymouth are awful compared to Poole. Anyone who's tried driving to Weymouth or Dorchester via the A35 lately knows how bad the traffic jams are near Tolpuddle, and the routes from the west into the port are equally as clogged in summer. When you do eventually get onto the much vaunted multi-million pound Weymouth Relief Road you enter a world on crazy roundabouts, lane switches and poor signing that take you everywhere but where you need to be... However the roads to Poole become good dual carriageways or wide, delay-free roads straight to the Ferry Terminal at Poole. They even seem to have got the Twin Sails bridge working more or less reliably now. Sorry, but for the 21st century Poole just makes sense.
Not if you are travelling to Poole from the Bournemouth direction it dosen`t. Plenty of gridlock, crazy roundabouts and lane switches between County Gates and Poole. If you live in South Wales, Bristol or the Midlands, where many of Condor customers, and Weymouth holidaymakers, come from, Tolpuddle is irrelevant. I can get to Cardiff to Weymouth in 2 and half hours these days, in most cases, congestion free!
The road links to either port were not an issue for Condor however, so the argument is irrelevant. They wanted to stay in Weymouth as it is cheaper for them to operate from - unfortunately, the port here just cannot currently accommodate the new vessel.
[quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of the harbour wall repairs, the transport links into Weymouth are awful compared to Poole. Anyone who's tried driving to Weymouth or Dorchester via the A35 lately knows how bad the traffic jams are near Tolpuddle, and the routes from the west into the port are equally as clogged in summer. When you do eventually get onto the much vaunted multi-million pound Weymouth Relief Road you enter a world on crazy roundabouts, lane switches and poor signing that take you everywhere but where you need to be... However the roads to Poole become good dual carriageways or wide, delay-free roads straight to the Ferry Terminal at Poole. They even seem to have got the Twin Sails bridge working more or less reliably now. Sorry, but for the 21st century Poole just makes sense.[/p][/quote]Not if you are travelling to Poole from the Bournemouth direction it dosen`t. Plenty of gridlock, crazy roundabouts and lane switches between County Gates and Poole. If you live in South Wales, Bristol or the Midlands, where many of Condor customers, and Weymouth holidaymakers, come from, Tolpuddle is irrelevant. I can get to Cardiff to Weymouth in 2 and half hours these days, in most cases, congestion free! The road links to either port were not an issue for Condor however, so the argument is irrelevant. They wanted to stay in Weymouth as it is cheaper for them to operate from - unfortunately, the port here just cannot currently accommodate the new vessel. Simon 1965
  • Score: 7

4:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

trymybest says...

MrTomSmith wrote:
trymybest wrote:
As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open.
Because that would be silly, are you on the council?
Why is it silly??? no am not on the council just a tax payer that's been mugged, are you not upset that Condor knowingly overseen the waste of £4 million of our money. The question now is are you on the council?.
[quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open.[/p][/quote]Because that would be silly, are you on the council?[/p][/quote]Why is it silly??? no am not on the council just a tax payer that's been mugged, are you not upset that Condor knowingly overseen the waste of £4 million of our money. The question now is are you on the council?. trymybest
  • Score: -1

4:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

railwaychickenboy6 says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
railwaychickenboy6 wrote:
The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come
I take it you will be standing as a councillor yourself then?
not on your nelly, i couldn't handle all the abuse
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]railwaychickenboy6[/bold] wrote: The council is a bloody disgrace, due to their greed they failed to maintain the harbour wall, they then tried to fix it on the cheap, they used Condor's fee's to fund micky mouse projects Instead of investing in the future, collectively the whole council should be kicked out of office, they are not fit for purpose, I bet they will find a few bob for the Christmas party, if they really wanted to find the money then take it out off reserves, its not to late, but it is for them when the erections come[/p][/quote]I take it you will be standing as a councillor yourself then?[/p][/quote]not on your nelly, i couldn't handle all the abuse railwaychickenboy6
  • Score: 3

5:19pm Wed 20 Aug 14

arlbergbahn says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?
Unfortunately, this announcement would have come even if the council had found the additional 10 million pounds. The new boat (once purchase had been agreed) was always going to enter service in April 2015 in Poole as the construction period for Weymouth berth 1 would take up to two years. The only difference here being that funding for the berth has not been secured, so no date for Condor`s return can be given.

As Ferry fan correctly states above however, Poole was always Condor`s second choice – despite Mr Fulford`s “gushing” comments regarding Poole today, he knows as well as anybody as this was not the way this was meant to “play out” and that their bottom line (profit wise) and operational flexibility will be taking a significant knock for as long as they are forced to operate from there.

I had hoped that Express or Vitesse would have been retained at Weymouth until berth 1 was finally funded, but I suppose the additional cost of running this new boat from Poole presumably means that they cannot carry the additional cost of continuing to run a second vessel.

It’s a big gamble for them however, as if this new boat does not work “out of the box” as they hope, they have left themselves with no fast ferry back up plan at all.

Will Weymouth ever see a fast ferry service again? I honestly don`t know – in theory the answer is no, but we have been in this situation before. With Condor it all depends on how the passenger numbers hold up at Poole – the last time they left on a permanent basis (1996) was temporary, they were forced back as early as 1998. Also, it goes without saying that if funding to redevelop berth 1 is found, they will back as soon as the work is completed.

In addition, Condor`s new contact is not exclusive, so it does allow for another operator (maybe one new to the industry) to exploit what will be a major gap in the market.

As for redevelopment of the terminal as a major attraction, the overall area is probably not big enough. Also, the major players in the entertainment industry are more than aware that in the 21st century, people will not walk anywhere, so a large “on site” car park” will be needed. Wil there be room for this? No, not even if it was a multi storey, not that the liberals traditionalists in the town would ever allow that to happen. Unfortunately, as with the Howard Holdings scheme of five years ago, any redevelopment of this area would have to be funded primarily by a substantial residential content.

However, as for Weymouth as a whole, all is not lost. I have been in contact with senior management at bus company First recently on unrelated issues. They tell me that they have been taken surprise by the number of visitors to the town this Summer – their statistics reveal that numbers have been significantly higher than anticipated, and certainly up on any of the past three years.
So it's "liberal traditionalists" (as opposed to, I suppose, the forward thinking progressives like yourself) that wouldn't want a gigantic concrete multi storey car park dominating the sea front? Perhaps the REAL forward thinking would be to NOT bend over backwards to accommodate the lazy car-bound masses.
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, this announcement would have come even if the council had found the additional 10 million pounds. The new boat (once purchase had been agreed) was always going to enter service in April 2015 in Poole as the construction period for Weymouth berth 1 would take up to two years. The only difference here being that funding for the berth has not been secured, so no date for Condor`s return can be given. As Ferry fan correctly states above however, Poole was always Condor`s second choice – despite Mr Fulford`s “gushing” comments regarding Poole today, he knows as well as anybody as this was not the way this was meant to “play out” and that their bottom line (profit wise) and operational flexibility will be taking a significant knock for as long as they are forced to operate from there. I had hoped that Express or Vitesse would have been retained at Weymouth until berth 1 was finally funded, but I suppose the additional cost of running this new boat from Poole presumably means that they cannot carry the additional cost of continuing to run a second vessel. It’s a big gamble for them however, as if this new boat does not work “out of the box” as they hope, they have left themselves with no fast ferry back up plan at all. Will Weymouth ever see a fast ferry service again? I honestly don`t know – in theory the answer is no, but we have been in this situation before. With Condor it all depends on how the passenger numbers hold up at Poole – the last time they left on a permanent basis (1996) was temporary, they were forced back as early as 1998. Also, it goes without saying that if funding to redevelop berth 1 is found, they will back as soon as the work is completed. In addition, Condor`s new contact is not exclusive, so it does allow for another operator (maybe one new to the industry) to exploit what will be a major gap in the market. As for redevelopment of the terminal as a major attraction, the overall area is probably not big enough. Also, the major players in the entertainment industry are more than aware that in the 21st century, people will not walk anywhere, so a large “on site” car park” will be needed. Wil there be room for this? No, not even if it was a multi storey, not that the liberals traditionalists in the town would ever allow that to happen. Unfortunately, as with the Howard Holdings scheme of five years ago, any redevelopment of this area would have to be funded primarily by a substantial residential content. However, as for Weymouth as a whole, all is not lost. I have been in contact with senior management at bus company First recently on unrelated issues. They tell me that they have been taken surprise by the number of visitors to the town this Summer – their statistics reveal that numbers have been significantly higher than anticipated, and certainly up on any of the past three years.[/p][/quote]So it's "liberal traditionalists" (as opposed to, I suppose, the forward thinking progressives like yourself) that wouldn't want a gigantic concrete multi storey car park dominating the sea front? Perhaps the REAL forward thinking would be to NOT bend over backwards to accommodate the lazy car-bound masses. arlbergbahn
  • Score: 0

5:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Caption Sensible says...

Thinking about this a bit more, and considering that the planning of a vessel of this scale and cost, does not just happen overnight, Condor must have known that when the £4m upgrade was taking place this new vessel was in the pipeline, and yet they chose not to mention it...

If I was the Council I would seek compensation for the £4m cost of the upgrade to the ferry terminal.
Thinking about this a bit more, and considering that the planning of a vessel of this scale and cost, does not just happen overnight, Condor must have known that when the £4m upgrade was taking place this new vessel was in the pipeline, and yet they chose not to mention it... If I was the Council I would seek compensation for the £4m cost of the upgrade to the ferry terminal. Caption Sensible
  • Score: 6

6:05pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
Simon 1965 wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?
Unfortunately, this announcement would have come even if the council had found the additional 10 million pounds. The new boat (once purchase had been agreed) was always going to enter service in April 2015 in Poole as the construction period for Weymouth berth 1 would take up to two years. The only difference here being that funding for the berth has not been secured, so no date for Condor`s return can be given.

As Ferry fan correctly states above however, Poole was always Condor`s second choice – despite Mr Fulford`s “gushing” comments regarding Poole today, he knows as well as anybody as this was not the way this was meant to “play out” and that their bottom line (profit wise) and operational flexibility will be taking a significant knock for as long as they are forced to operate from there.

I had hoped that Express or Vitesse would have been retained at Weymouth until berth 1 was finally funded, but I suppose the additional cost of running this new boat from Poole presumably means that they cannot carry the additional cost of continuing to run a second vessel.

It’s a big gamble for them however, as if this new boat does not work “out of the box” as they hope, they have left themselves with no fast ferry back up plan at all.

Will Weymouth ever see a fast ferry service again? I honestly don`t know – in theory the answer is no, but we have been in this situation before. With Condor it all depends on how the passenger numbers hold up at Poole – the last time they left on a permanent basis (1996) was temporary, they were forced back as early as 1998. Also, it goes without saying that if funding to redevelop berth 1 is found, they will back as soon as the work is completed.

In addition, Condor`s new contact is not exclusive, so it does allow for another operator (maybe one new to the industry) to exploit what will be a major gap in the market.

As for redevelopment of the terminal as a major attraction, the overall area is probably not big enough. Also, the major players in the entertainment industry are more than aware that in the 21st century, people will not walk anywhere, so a large “on site” car park” will be needed. Wil there be room for this? No, not even if it was a multi storey, not that the liberals traditionalists in the town would ever allow that to happen. Unfortunately, as with the Howard Holdings scheme of five years ago, any redevelopment of this area would have to be funded primarily by a substantial residential content.

However, as for Weymouth as a whole, all is not lost. I have been in contact with senior management at bus company First recently on unrelated issues. They tell me that they have been taken surprise by the number of visitors to the town this Summer – their statistics reveal that numbers have been significantly higher than anticipated, and certainly up on any of the past three years.
So it's "liberal traditionalists" (as opposed to, I suppose, the forward thinking progressives like yourself) that wouldn't want a gigantic concrete multi storey car park dominating the sea front? Perhaps the REAL forward thinking would be to NOT bend over backwards to accommodate the lazy car-bound masses.
No, I would not want a multi storey car park there either. it is however what any private sector investor would need if they were to commit to a multi million pound redevelopment of the area. I still think the area is too small for any significant "entertainent" facility however. You can kiss goodbye to a regional Legoland or Alton Towers I`m afraid.

The only thing suitable for the ferry terminal land now is a new marina, paid for by significant residential development of the area.

The Howard Holdings scheme of seven years ago would have meant a rebuilt pavilion theatre, a new TIC and jurassic experience, top quality hotel, apartments, wet weather attraction, public areas and a new ferry terminal, at no cost to the council. It was delayed by the local liberal traditionalists locally at every turn, to the degreee that by the time it received full planning permission, the recession happened and the developement funds dried up.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Another nail in the coffin for Weymouth. When will we get someone with vision to be able to make Weymouth worthy of investment.?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, this announcement would have come even if the council had found the additional 10 million pounds. The new boat (once purchase had been agreed) was always going to enter service in April 2015 in Poole as the construction period for Weymouth berth 1 would take up to two years. The only difference here being that funding for the berth has not been secured, so no date for Condor`s return can be given. As Ferry fan correctly states above however, Poole was always Condor`s second choice – despite Mr Fulford`s “gushing” comments regarding Poole today, he knows as well as anybody as this was not the way this was meant to “play out” and that their bottom line (profit wise) and operational flexibility will be taking a significant knock for as long as they are forced to operate from there. I had hoped that Express or Vitesse would have been retained at Weymouth until berth 1 was finally funded, but I suppose the additional cost of running this new boat from Poole presumably means that they cannot carry the additional cost of continuing to run a second vessel. It’s a big gamble for them however, as if this new boat does not work “out of the box” as they hope, they have left themselves with no fast ferry back up plan at all. Will Weymouth ever see a fast ferry service again? I honestly don`t know – in theory the answer is no, but we have been in this situation before. With Condor it all depends on how the passenger numbers hold up at Poole – the last time they left on a permanent basis (1996) was temporary, they were forced back as early as 1998. Also, it goes without saying that if funding to redevelop berth 1 is found, they will back as soon as the work is completed. In addition, Condor`s new contact is not exclusive, so it does allow for another operator (maybe one new to the industry) to exploit what will be a major gap in the market. As for redevelopment of the terminal as a major attraction, the overall area is probably not big enough. Also, the major players in the entertainment industry are more than aware that in the 21st century, people will not walk anywhere, so a large “on site” car park” will be needed. Wil there be room for this? No, not even if it was a multi storey, not that the liberals traditionalists in the town would ever allow that to happen. Unfortunately, as with the Howard Holdings scheme of five years ago, any redevelopment of this area would have to be funded primarily by a substantial residential content. However, as for Weymouth as a whole, all is not lost. I have been in contact with senior management at bus company First recently on unrelated issues. They tell me that they have been taken surprise by the number of visitors to the town this Summer – their statistics reveal that numbers have been significantly higher than anticipated, and certainly up on any of the past three years.[/p][/quote]So it's "liberal traditionalists" (as opposed to, I suppose, the forward thinking progressives like yourself) that wouldn't want a gigantic concrete multi storey car park dominating the sea front? Perhaps the REAL forward thinking would be to NOT bend over backwards to accommodate the lazy car-bound masses.[/p][/quote]No, I would not want a multi storey car park there either. it is however what any private sector investor would need if they were to commit to a multi million pound redevelopment of the area. I still think the area is too small for any significant "entertainent" facility however. You can kiss goodbye to a regional Legoland or Alton Towers I`m afraid. The only thing suitable for the ferry terminal land now is a new marina, paid for by significant residential development of the area. The Howard Holdings scheme of seven years ago would have meant a rebuilt pavilion theatre, a new TIC and jurassic experience, top quality hotel, apartments, wet weather attraction, public areas and a new ferry terminal, at no cost to the council. It was delayed by the local liberal traditionalists locally at every turn, to the degreee that by the time it received full planning permission, the recession happened and the developement funds dried up. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: 2

6:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Peter6 says...

a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all.
a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all. Peter6
  • Score: 17

6:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
Thinking about this a bit more, and considering that the planning of a vessel of this scale and cost, does not just happen overnight, Condor must have known that when the £4m upgrade was taking place this new vessel was in the pipeline, and yet they chose not to mention it...

If I was the Council I would seek compensation for the £4m cost of the upgrade to the ferry terminal.
I am going to take Condor`s side on this one. Yes, they knew that they had to replace Vitesse and Express but were still looking at four very different options up until the Autumn of 2013. Is was only then that the decision was taken to go for the Austil craft, which was actually built in 2010 as a stock vessel, and until fairly recently, had another company interested in it.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Thinking about this a bit more, and considering that the planning of a vessel of this scale and cost, does not just happen overnight, Condor must have known that when the £4m upgrade was taking place this new vessel was in the pipeline, and yet they chose not to mention it... If I was the Council I would seek compensation for the £4m cost of the upgrade to the ferry terminal.[/p][/quote]I am going to take Condor`s side on this one. Yes, they knew that they had to replace Vitesse and Express but were still looking at four very different options up until the Autumn of 2013. Is was only then that the decision was taken to go for the Austil craft, which was actually built in 2010 as a stock vessel, and until fairly recently, had another company interested in it. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: -2

6:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

Peter6 wrote:
a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all.
Its a nice thought, but that rail link will never be used again - the cost of re-openng, signalling and health and safety considerations in the year 2014 together with the fact that Commercial Road is now significantly busier than it was in the past means its an impossibility. Don`t forget that the line was originally built for freight, and carried passengers in an age when were significantly fewer cars on the road. There are relatively few foot passengers these days - most arrive by car, and drive straight on the boat.

I would love to see another ferry company here, but I can`t see it happening - most of the few remaining companies out there are basically owned by the same financial institutions, who are not about to compete with each other.
[quote][p][bold]Peter6[/bold] wrote: a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all.[/p][/quote]Its a nice thought, but that rail link will never be used again - the cost of re-openng, signalling and health and safety considerations in the year 2014 together with the fact that Commercial Road is now significantly busier than it was in the past means its an impossibility. Don`t forget that the line was originally built for freight, and carried passengers in an age when were significantly fewer cars on the road. There are relatively few foot passengers these days - most arrive by car, and drive straight on the boat. I would love to see another ferry company here, but I can`t see it happening - most of the few remaining companies out there are basically owned by the same financial institutions, who are not about to compete with each other. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: 2

6:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

trymybest wrote:
MrTomSmith wrote:
trymybest wrote:
As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open.
Because that would be silly, are you on the council?
Why is it silly??? no am not on the council just a tax payer that's been mugged, are you not upset that Condor knowingly overseen the waste of £4 million of our money. The question now is are you on the council?.
The harbour wall would have had to have been repaired whether Condor or stayed or not. Many would argue that if some of the significant amounts of money paid to the council in berthing fees since 1998 had been properly used by the council to maintain the harbour wall properly, it would not have fallen down in the first place...............
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[quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrTomSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: As we are told there is no contract with Condor, why are the people of Weymouth not saying go NOW are they all WHIMPS to be walked over, get rid of interfering ferry companies. and watch new doors open.[/p][/quote]Because that would be silly, are you on the council?[/p][/quote]Why is it silly??? no am not on the council just a tax payer that's been mugged, are you not upset that Condor knowingly overseen the waste of £4 million of our money. The question now is are you on the council?.[/p][/quote]The harbour wall would have had to have been repaired whether Condor or stayed or not. Many would argue that if some of the significant amounts of money paid to the council in berthing fees since 1998 had been properly used by the council to maintain the harbour wall properly, it would not have fallen down in the first place............... . Simon Nicholas
  • Score: 11

6:25pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bob Goulding says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
Thinking about this a bit more, and considering that the planning of a vessel of this scale and cost, does not just happen overnight, Condor must have known that when the £4m upgrade was taking place this new vessel was in the pipeline, and yet they chose not to mention it...

If I was the Council I would seek compensation for the £4m cost of the upgrade to the ferry terminal.
As I posted earlier, this vessel was built in 2009 so it was not 'in the pipeline' it was already in the water at the time. The £4.5 million spent on Berth 3 was for essential repairs due to poor maintenance and had nothing to do with Condor's long term business plans.
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: Thinking about this a bit more, and considering that the planning of a vessel of this scale and cost, does not just happen overnight, Condor must have known that when the £4m upgrade was taking place this new vessel was in the pipeline, and yet they chose not to mention it... If I was the Council I would seek compensation for the £4m cost of the upgrade to the ferry terminal.[/p][/quote]As I posted earlier, this vessel was built in 2009 so it was not 'in the pipeline' it was already in the water at the time. The £4.5 million spent on Berth 3 was for essential repairs due to poor maintenance and had nothing to do with Condor's long term business plans. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 8

6:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

mr commonsense wrote:
I find it sad to read so many comments that do not address the real issue here . Condor are a commercial organisation that will operate from wherever it is best for them. Weymouth was that base but sadly the good councillors of W& P did nothing several years ago to understand that they had an asset ( the port) but did nothing to develop it for the inevitable increase in holiday traffic to foreign parts. The demise of Weymouth is one of the most distressing sites along the South Coast and being part of the Jurassic Coast is just throwing away opportunities. If W&P were a commercial organisation it would now be in the hands of the Receiver.
Shame on all public officials and elected members who have successfully destroyed a wonderful Victorian seaside town that had so much to offer the world.
Not ruined, loved my the majority who live her, and the many thousands who holiday in the area time and time again. The place is not perfect, but nowhere is, and the councillors in Weymouth are no better or worse than any other in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]mr commonsense[/bold] wrote: I find it sad to read so many comments that do not address the real issue here . Condor are a commercial organisation that will operate from wherever it is best for them. Weymouth was that base but sadly the good councillors of W& P did nothing several years ago to understand that they had an asset ( the port) but did nothing to develop it for the inevitable increase in holiday traffic to foreign parts. The demise of Weymouth is one of the most distressing sites along the South Coast and being part of the Jurassic Coast is just throwing away opportunities. If W&P were a commercial organisation it would now be in the hands of the Receiver. Shame on all public officials and elected members who have successfully destroyed a wonderful Victorian seaside town that had so much to offer the world.[/p][/quote]Not ruined, loved my the majority who live her, and the many thousands who holiday in the area time and time again. The place is not perfect, but nowhere is, and the councillors in Weymouth are no better or worse than any other in the UK. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Noidear says...

Peter6 wrote:
a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all.
We'll said, I think locals miss the point, weymouth is a holiday resort, it needs attractions , a day trip on a boat is one of those, just go get another ferry company, there r lots out there,I hope the rumours of another ferry company looking at weymouth r true.
[quote][p][bold]Peter6[/bold] wrote: a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all.[/p][/quote]We'll said, I think locals miss the point, weymouth is a holiday resort, it needs attractions , a day trip on a boat is one of those, just go get another ferry company, there r lots out there,I hope the rumours of another ferry company looking at weymouth r true. Noidear
  • Score: -1

7:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Dorset Voyager says...

Perhaps someone with a lot more knowledge than me could explain why the new ship won't fit into Weymouth. I know that its 16metres longer than the present vessels, but we've had 2 of those in port at the same time. It has the same beam of 27meters, Perhaps it's draft is a problem. Many thanks in advance.
Perhaps someone with a lot more knowledge than me could explain why the new ship won't fit into Weymouth. I know that its 16metres longer than the present vessels, but we've had 2 of those in port at the same time. It has the same beam of 27meters, Perhaps it's draft is a problem. Many thanks in advance. Dorset Voyager
  • Score: 4

7:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

oldbrock says...

Orangephoenix26 wrote:
Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Im not sure if a small minded local like yourself realises it but weymouth isn't another country were youhave to get your passport stamped to visit you know ,it is part of the uk, and as such i and my family will continue to visit as often,for as long as ,and when ever i bloody well please! And i will continue to sit on the beach and Que for an ice-creams at rossi 's ( i hope im infront of you buying the last one before they run out!)
hey arzul!! I aint an unwashed Brummie! nor is my lady wife, get your bigoted facts straight before you start slagging off visitors to your town, by the way, just what do YOU contribute to the town you wish to use so exclusively? answer, you just wind people up with your marked lack of intelligence and tact, snivelling idiot!!
[quote][p][bold]Orangephoenix26[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Im not sure if a small minded local like yourself realises it but weymouth isn't another country were youhave to get your passport stamped to visit you know ,it is part of the uk, and as such i and my family will continue to visit as often,for as long as ,and when ever i bloody well please! And i will continue to sit on the beach and Que for an ice-creams at rossi 's ( i hope im infront of you buying the last one before they run out!)[/p][/quote]hey arzul!! I aint an unwashed Brummie! nor is my lady wife, get your bigoted facts straight before you start slagging off visitors to your town, by the way, just what do YOU contribute to the town you wish to use so exclusively? answer, you just wind people up with your marked lack of intelligence and tact, snivelling idiot!! oldbrock
  • Score: 8

7:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Simon Nicholas says...

Noidear wrote:
Peter6 wrote:
a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all.
We'll said, I think locals miss the point, weymouth is a holiday resort, it needs attractions , a day trip on a boat is one of those, just go get another ferry company, there r lots out there,I hope the rumours of another ferry company looking at weymouth r true.
Please see my comment above. Most of the few remaining ferry companies out there are basically owned by the same financial institutions, who are not about to compete with each other.

What is needed is a Richard Branson or Sir Brian Souter figure to realise there is a market to be had here, and enter the industry. It ain`t going to happen though as the start up costs are horrendous. Add the cost of leasing a boat, creating computerised check in and booking systems, staff, insurance, regulatory burdens, the cost of marketing a completely new service and the fuel ( you really don` t want to know how much these fast cats use every day), its not going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]Noidear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter6[/bold] wrote: a great chance for another company to come to weymouth and undercut condors prices. weymouth in kind could re open the rail link to the harbor so that people could bypass the long walk to the boat from the station, trams would do, people still come to weymouth after all.[/p][/quote]We'll said, I think locals miss the point, weymouth is a holiday resort, it needs attractions , a day trip on a boat is one of those, just go get another ferry company, there r lots out there,I hope the rumours of another ferry company looking at weymouth r true.[/p][/quote]Please see my comment above. Most of the few remaining ferry companies out there are basically owned by the same financial institutions, who are not about to compete with each other. What is needed is a Richard Branson or Sir Brian Souter figure to realise there is a market to be had here, and enter the industry. It ain`t going to happen though as the start up costs are horrendous. Add the cost of leasing a boat, creating computerised check in and booking systems, staff, insurance, regulatory burdens, the cost of marketing a completely new service and the fuel ( you really don` t want to know how much these fast cats use every day), its not going to happen. Simon Nicholas
  • Score: 3

7:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

oldbrock says...

A party for the rich whose leader thinks more about his family holiday than the looming crisis in the country, in power after burning their minority "coalition" hahaha "partners"
B big companies that con and lie to make maximum profits with minimal outlay
c incompetent local council leaders and councillors who are totally bedazzled by modern life, like the backstreet mechanic who could fix a classic car but has no idea about the new computer loaded vehicles of today
D apathy come voting time
E nobody will take responsibility for their actions or inactions, always looking to shift the blame
where is the Monster Raving Loony Party when we need them so desperately - lets face it, they could not do any worse
Conservative- out of touch rich mans party
LIEBOUR- says it all
Liberal Democrats- traitors, you vote for them and get somebody else
UKIP - laughing jackass rich man Farage, playing at being a man of the people and the hideous candidates who make faux pas en masse
Britain = rudderless ship, just wait til the jihadists sneak back home......our "leader" will probably be selling them arms like they did to RUSSIA, no wonder they did nothing when Britons were among the dead in the Ukraine plane incident
Weymouth, Portland and indeed Britain deserve better.
A party for the rich whose leader thinks more about his family holiday than the looming crisis in the country, in power after burning their minority "coalition" hahaha "partners" B big companies that con and lie to make maximum profits with minimal outlay c incompetent local council leaders and councillors who are totally bedazzled by modern life, like the backstreet mechanic who could fix a classic car but has no idea about the new computer loaded vehicles of today D apathy come voting time E nobody will take responsibility for their actions or inactions, always looking to shift the blame where is the Monster Raving Loony Party when we need them so desperately - lets face it, they could not do any worse Conservative- out of touch rich mans party LIEBOUR- says it all Liberal Democrats- traitors, you vote for them and get somebody else UKIP - laughing jackass rich man Farage, playing at being a man of the people and the hideous candidates who make faux pas en masse Britain = rudderless ship, just wait til the jihadists sneak back home......our "leader" will probably be selling them arms like they did to RUSSIA, no wonder they did nothing when Britons were among the dead in the Ukraine plane incident Weymouth, Portland and indeed Britain deserve better. oldbrock
  • Score: -6

8:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Under35andout says...

Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
THIS IS A POINT WHO CARES ABOUT HOLIDAY MAKERS MONEY ECT , LET WEYMOUTH DECAY MAKE THE COUCIL LOWER ITS RATES , LETS HAVE A SHANTY TOWN WITH JUST US LOT HERE WAKE BOARDING FISHING AND HAVING PARTYS ON THE BEACH WITHOUT IDIOTS FROM FRANCE WALKING STRAIGHT AT YOU , WEYMOUTH WONT DIE I ENJOY THE PEACE AND QUITE I DONT WANT TO GET TO KNOW HOLIDAY MAKERS AT ALL , CONDOR IS GONE GOOD RIDDENCE , ALL THOSE THINK WEYMOUTH GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE NO FERRY ARE STUPID , FERRRYS ARE LIKE BUSES ANYWAY SO WHAT CONDOR IS GONE , LETS INVITE OTHER FERRY COMPANYS TO WORK OUT OF THE PORT WHATS THE PROBLEM BET THERES PLENTY FERRYS THAT COULD WORK OUT OF THE PORT WDC ARE JUST DUMB BUISNESS MINDED IDIOTS
[quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]THIS IS A POINT WHO CARES ABOUT HOLIDAY MAKERS MONEY ECT , LET WEYMOUTH DECAY MAKE THE COUCIL LOWER ITS RATES , LETS HAVE A SHANTY TOWN WITH JUST US LOT HERE WAKE BOARDING FISHING AND HAVING PARTYS ON THE BEACH WITHOUT IDIOTS FROM FRANCE WALKING STRAIGHT AT YOU , WEYMOUTH WONT DIE I ENJOY THE PEACE AND QUITE I DONT WANT TO GET TO KNOW HOLIDAY MAKERS AT ALL , CONDOR IS GONE GOOD RIDDENCE , ALL THOSE THINK WEYMOUTH GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE NO FERRY ARE STUPID , FERRRYS ARE LIKE BUSES ANYWAY SO WHAT CONDOR IS GONE , LETS INVITE OTHER FERRY COMPANYS TO WORK OUT OF THE PORT WHATS THE PROBLEM BET THERES PLENTY FERRYS THAT COULD WORK OUT OF THE PORT WDC ARE JUST DUMB BUISNESS MINDED IDIOTS Under35andout
  • Score: -21

8:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

veryoldman says...

I for one do not see why Weymouth should be held to ransom by Condor.
Most of the cars that come off of the ferry drive straight out of Weymouth.
Condor have always tried to play down the fact that Weymouth harbour is financially better for them than Poole so that they can negotiate their harbour fees etc..
When Condor runs from Poole their engines are constantly breaking down due to the sand from the shallow harbour blocking the engine cooling water filters, not to mention the extra fuel it uses to get there.
If Condor want the pier upgrading further they need to be prepared to put their hands in to their pockets and pull out a share of the cost.
I for one do not see why Weymouth should be held to ransom by Condor. Most of the cars that come off of the ferry drive straight out of Weymouth. Condor have always tried to play down the fact that Weymouth harbour is financially better for them than Poole so that they can negotiate their harbour fees etc.. When Condor runs from Poole their engines are constantly breaking down due to the sand from the shallow harbour blocking the engine cooling water filters, not to mention the extra fuel it uses to get there. If Condor want the pier upgrading further they need to be prepared to put their hands in to their pockets and pull out a share of the cost. veryoldman
  • Score: 8

8:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

banknote says...

Under35andout wrote:
Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
THIS IS A POINT WHO CARES ABOUT HOLIDAY MAKERS MONEY ECT , LET WEYMOUTH DECAY MAKE THE COUCIL LOWER ITS RATES , LETS HAVE A SHANTY TOWN WITH JUST US LOT HERE WAKE BOARDING FISHING AND HAVING PARTYS ON THE BEACH WITHOUT IDIOTS FROM FRANCE WALKING STRAIGHT AT YOU , WEYMOUTH WONT DIE I ENJOY THE PEACE AND QUITE I DONT WANT TO GET TO KNOW HOLIDAY MAKERS AT ALL , CONDOR IS GONE GOOD RIDDENCE , ALL THOSE THINK WEYMOUTH GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE NO FERRY ARE STUPID , FERRRYS ARE LIKE BUSES ANYWAY SO WHAT CONDOR IS GONE , LETS INVITE OTHER FERRY COMPANYS TO WORK OUT OF THE PORT WHATS THE PROBLEM BET THERES PLENTY FERRYS THAT COULD WORK OUT OF THE PORT WDC ARE JUST DUMB BUISNESS MINDED IDIOTS
Please learn to spell and stop shouting
[quote][p][bold]Under35andout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]THIS IS A POINT WHO CARES ABOUT HOLIDAY MAKERS MONEY ECT , LET WEYMOUTH DECAY MAKE THE COUCIL LOWER ITS RATES , LETS HAVE A SHANTY TOWN WITH JUST US LOT HERE WAKE BOARDING FISHING AND HAVING PARTYS ON THE BEACH WITHOUT IDIOTS FROM FRANCE WALKING STRAIGHT AT YOU , WEYMOUTH WONT DIE I ENJOY THE PEACE AND QUITE I DONT WANT TO GET TO KNOW HOLIDAY MAKERS AT ALL , CONDOR IS GONE GOOD RIDDENCE , ALL THOSE THINK WEYMOUTH GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE NO FERRY ARE STUPID , FERRRYS ARE LIKE BUSES ANYWAY SO WHAT CONDOR IS GONE , LETS INVITE OTHER FERRY COMPANYS TO WORK OUT OF THE PORT WHATS THE PROBLEM BET THERES PLENTY FERRYS THAT COULD WORK OUT OF THE PORT WDC ARE JUST DUMB BUISNESS MINDED IDIOTS[/p][/quote]Please learn to spell and stop shouting banknote
  • Score: 15

10:19pm Wed 20 Aug 14

trymybest says...

jjlad2 wrote:
It would be nice if a smaller, faster service came to Weymouth, forget about Car carrying and concentrate on the walk ons and Day trippers we once thrived on in Weymouth. I'm sure Jersey/Guernsey/St Malo would welcome them in droves for their economy.
No need for deep water, the only draw back being a smaller vessel, it would be more proned to weather crossing restrictions, but their are plenty of fast cats out their that can carry up to 200 a time. if i had the money, sure would be something i would look at, who knows, someone even might be now Condor is going/gone, here's hoping as i will make at least 5 trips in the summer season
Condor started as a passenger only service from Weymouth, so here's a controversial thought why can't Weymouth council lease their own boat and crew and start running their own service to the channel isles, they have the port and all the facility, Condor made a big enough profit over the years to upgrade so why can't Weymouth.
[quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: It would be nice if a smaller, faster service came to Weymouth, forget about Car carrying and concentrate on the walk ons and Day trippers we once thrived on in Weymouth. I'm sure Jersey/Guernsey/St Malo would welcome them in droves for their economy. No need for deep water, the only draw back being a smaller vessel, it would be more proned to weather crossing restrictions, but their are plenty of fast cats out their that can carry up to 200 a time. if i had the money, sure would be something i would look at, who knows, someone even might be now Condor is going/gone, here's hoping as i will make at least 5 trips in the summer season[/p][/quote]Condor started as a passenger only service from Weymouth, so here's a controversial thought why can't Weymouth council lease their own boat and crew and start running their own service to the channel isles, they have the port and all the facility, Condor made a big enough profit over the years to upgrade so why can't Weymouth. trymybest
  • Score: -2

10:24pm Wed 20 Aug 14

You cannot be serious! says...

If Condor leave Weymouth the site could always be used for the travellers site that we so desperately need?
If Condor leave Weymouth the site could always be used for the travellers site that we so desperately need? You cannot be serious!
  • Score: -5

10:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

You cannot be serious! says...

Only joking! Don't get any thoughts W&PDC.

The local economy does well from the ferry link. But Condor need to show the colour of there money and invest in state of the art facilities to attract more passengers if they are spending so much on new vessels why not facilities!!!!!!! It cannot all be down to W&PDC and the port to stump up the money!
Only joking! Don't get any thoughts W&PDC. The local economy does well from the ferry link. But Condor need to show the colour of there money and invest in state of the art facilities to attract more passengers if they are spending so much on new vessels why not facilities!!!!!!! It cannot all be down to W&PDC and the port to stump up the money! You cannot be serious!
  • Score: -2

10:35pm Wed 20 Aug 14

sweetdreamgirl says...

Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids
[quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids sweetdreamgirl
  • Score: -7

10:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

cosmick says...

trymybest wrote:
jjlad2 wrote:
It would be nice if a smaller, faster service came to Weymouth, forget about Car carrying and concentrate on the walk ons and Day trippers we once thrived on in Weymouth. I'm sure Jersey/Guernsey/St Malo would welcome them in droves for their economy.
No need for deep water, the only draw back being a smaller vessel, it would be more proned to weather crossing restrictions, but their are plenty of fast cats out their that can carry up to 200 a time. if i had the money, sure would be something i would look at, who knows, someone even might be now Condor is going/gone, here's hoping as i will make at least 5 trips in the summer season
Condor started as a passenger only service from Weymouth, so here's a controversial thought why can't Weymouth council lease their own boat and crew and start running their own service to the channel isles, they have the port and all the facility, Condor made a big enough profit over the years to upgrade so why can't Weymouth.
I expect they have other plans.
[quote][p][bold]trymybest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: It would be nice if a smaller, faster service came to Weymouth, forget about Car carrying and concentrate on the walk ons and Day trippers we once thrived on in Weymouth. I'm sure Jersey/Guernsey/St Malo would welcome them in droves for their economy. No need for deep water, the only draw back being a smaller vessel, it would be more proned to weather crossing restrictions, but their are plenty of fast cats out their that can carry up to 200 a time. if i had the money, sure would be something i would look at, who knows, someone even might be now Condor is going/gone, here's hoping as i will make at least 5 trips in the summer season[/p][/quote]Condor started as a passenger only service from Weymouth, so here's a controversial thought why can't Weymouth council lease their own boat and crew and start running their own service to the channel isles, they have the port and all the facility, Condor made a big enough profit over the years to upgrade so why can't Weymouth.[/p][/quote]I expect they have other plans. cosmick
  • Score: -1

10:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

sweetdreamgirl says...

You cannot be serious! wrote:
If Condor leave Weymouth the site could always be used for the travellers site that we so desperately need?
NO THANK YOU
[quote][p][bold]You cannot be serious![/bold] wrote: If Condor leave Weymouth the site could always be used for the travellers site that we so desperately need?[/p][/quote]NO THANK YOU sweetdreamgirl
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

sweetdreamgirl says...

Bert Fry wrote:
Simon 1965 wrote:
Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Do you count me as one of the “great unwashed”? – my family and I choose to holiday in Weymouth regularly, spending up to one month per year in the resort. We all shower or both daily, and I have a good job and drive an almost new top of the range family saloon.

Have you ever thought that some of these ice cream parlours, not to mention many of the (still considerable) number of shops in the town centre would even be there, if it was not for the money spent by us “great unwashed”.

Simon N.
I don't think he means you Simon, rather the hoards of drunken youths, sunburnt yobs and other undesirables that seem to roam the town in summer. It was noticeable, to me at least, how much more pleasant the town was during the Olympics when cars were absent and more monied tourists were about.
How true
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Do you count me as one of the “great unwashed”? – my family and I choose to holiday in Weymouth regularly, spending up to one month per year in the resort. We all shower or both daily, and I have a good job and drive an almost new top of the range family saloon. Have you ever thought that some of these ice cream parlours, not to mention many of the (still considerable) number of shops in the town centre would even be there, if it was not for the money spent by us “great unwashed”. Simon N.[/p][/quote]I don't think he means you Simon, rather the hoards of drunken youths, sunburnt yobs and other undesirables that seem to roam the town in summer. It was noticeable, to me at least, how much more pleasant the town was during the Olympics when cars were absent and more monied tourists were about.[/p][/quote]How true sweetdreamgirl
  • Score: 5

7:21am Thu 21 Aug 14

Rocksalt says...

sweetdreamgirl wrote:
Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote:
I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids
Please can you let us know

a) how many jobs you would be prepared for the area to lose in a hypothetical situation where there were no visitors ?; and

b) how you would propose replacing the income generated ?

c) how big a cut in your own income would you be prepared to accept in order to fund there being no visitors. ?
[quote][p][bold]sweetdreamgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids[/p][/quote]Please can you let us know a) how many jobs you would be prepared for the area to lose in a hypothetical situation where there were no visitors ?; and b) how you would propose replacing the income generated ? c) how big a cut in your own income would you be prepared to accept in order to fund there being no visitors. ? Rocksalt
  • Score: 7

8:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

Simon 1965 says...

sweetdreamgirl wrote:
Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids
"sweet dram girl = small minded pond life".

The vast majoiity of retail businesses and attractions in Weyouuth will freely admit that most of their revenue comes in the tourist season. Without tourists, there would not be a lot here at all. Kiss goodbye to the big stores, the multiplex cinema, the sealife park. You would just be left with town centre comprising a SPAR and a TESCO EXPRESS.
[quote][p][bold]sweetdreamgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids[/p][/quote]"sweet dram girl = small minded pond life". The vast majoiity of retail businesses and attractions in Weyouuth will freely admit that most of their revenue comes in the tourist season. Without tourists, there would not be a lot here at all. Kiss goodbye to the big stores, the multiplex cinema, the sealife park. You would just be left with town centre comprising a SPAR and a TESCO EXPRESS. Simon 1965
  • Score: 5

9:56am Thu 21 Aug 14

February1948 says...

sweetdreamgirl wrote:
Not_A_Moronic_Thug wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...
Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids
You, too, never go on holiday anywhere and stroll along blocking the pavements?!
[quote][p][bold]sweetdreamgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not_A_Moronic_Thug[/bold] wrote: I know this comment will end up with dozens of thumbs-down, but am I the only one who would love just one summer without thousands of holiday makers? I'd love to be able to wander through town on a Saturday afternoon without being jostled by the great unwashed, be able to go to the beach with my son without worrying about him being trampled by hundreds of brummies swarming for the sea, have a Rossi's icecream without queing for 3 hours, get a picnics roll after 1030am...[/p][/quote]Weymouth doesn't need Condor, I too am fed up trying to get round Weymouth town during holiday time,I love dear old Weymouth but the tourists spoil it ,there is nothing nice about them,they're loud with unruly kids[/p][/quote]You, too, never go on holiday anywhere and stroll along blocking the pavements?! February1948
  • Score: 3

6:57pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Truth to Power says...

Well it all started with a crack which a certain councillor thought that he could fill with concreate for a few 10’s of thousands of pounds, until the experts told him it would cost millions!

At this point within the decision chain and before making a large investment, the council should have made an assessment of the continued viability, and ensured that contracts were in place to cover the costs of the taxpayer’s investment. Over time damage will occur, and that would surely be covered by insurance.

So what has happened here, the council are surely responsible for this!
Well it all started with a crack which a certain councillor thought that he could fill with concreate for a few 10’s of thousands of pounds, until the experts told him it would cost millions! At this point within the decision chain and before making a large investment, the council should have made an assessment of the continued viability, and ensured that contracts were in place to cover the costs of the taxpayer’s investment. Over time damage will occur, and that would surely be covered by insurance. So what has happened here, the council are surely responsible for this! Truth to Power
  • Score: 0

7:15am Mon 25 Aug 14

Simesen says...

Not at all sure what the exact problem is!
Is it length, width or what?
We regularly see two Condors nose to tail in that area.
Not at all sure what the exact problem is! Is it length, width or what? We regularly see two Condors nose to tail in that area. Simesen
  • Score: 0

11:28am Mon 25 Aug 14

Bob Goulding says...

Simesen wrote:
Not at all sure what the exact problem is!
Is it length, width or what?
We regularly see two Condors nose to tail in that area.
Partly length but the main issue is the cost of providing a suitable loading ramp/link span. The existing facilities at Berth 3 would not be viable.
[quote][p][bold]Simesen[/bold] wrote: Not at all sure what the exact problem is! Is it length, width or what? We regularly see two Condors nose to tail in that area.[/p][/quote]Partly length but the main issue is the cost of providing a suitable loading ramp/link span. The existing facilities at Berth 3 would not be viable. Bob Goulding
  • Score: 0

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