Claims that £1m spent on no-go transport scheme

£1m spent on transport scheme and nothing done

£1m spent on transport scheme and nothing done

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PLANS to overhaul traffic in Dorchester have come under fire after it emerged that almost £1million has been spent with ‘nothing at all to show for it’.

Town and county councillor Trevor Jones quoted the figure and made the comment at a Dorset County Council cabinet meeting.

Councillors at the meeting at County Hall yesterday agreed to refer the issue to the asset management group as a high priority to be looked at – but town councillor and chairman of the working group for the Dorchester Transport and Environment Plan (DTEP) Andy Canning said this decision could ‘put the plan back for another decade’.

He said: “We are now 12 years into this project. It has been a difficult situation and we have been trying to progress a serious scheme with a much reduced budget.”

He argued in favour of further public consultation for residents to decide whether they would prefer the revised scheme to be implemented or parts of it to be progressed.

Referring the issue to the asset management group, he argued, is ‘kicking it into the long grass’.

He added: “Dorchester is growing, improving its economy and this could be part of the project to do that along with changes to Charles Street and the car parking system. It is all part of the package which will lead to growth in Dorchester.”

But County Councillor Robert Gould said: “The current proposals were approved by cabinet in February 2013 and my concern is that now things have changed. I do not think it’s a question of putting it into the long grass.”

Cllr Jones said he approved of the matter being looked at by the asset management group if this could be done as a priority. He added: “We can’t carry on like this. We have spent approaching £1million and we have nothing at all to show for it. That is totally an undesirable position to be in.”

Cllr Jones said plans would now look at getting traffic through the town ‘as quickly as possible’ instead of redistributing it.

Chairman of the cabinet Spencer Flower pledged to ensure the issue is addressed by the asset management group ‘with urgency’.

He added: “I am disappointed that we are where we are but what we do not want to end up with is a scheme that is to the dissatisfaction of the people we serve.”

Chairman of the town council's planning and environment committee, Cllr Susie Hosford, said: “We are disappointed that county councillors felt they had to take this back before moving it forward. It would be an appalling waste of taxpayers’ money if there was nothing at the end to show for all of this. But we are cautiously optimistic following this meeting that it will now progress fairly quickly.”

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6:42am Thu 4 Sep 14

dorsetspeed says...

These people wouldn't last for 5 minutes in the real world. If councils were run efficiently they would have more money than they could know what to do with.
These people wouldn't last for 5 minutes in the real world. If councils were run efficiently they would have more money than they could know what to do with. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 16

8:49am Thu 4 Sep 14

Bully669 says...

They should think themselves lucky

Weymouth has spent over 10 times that and we have go absolutely nothing to show either.
They should think themselves lucky Weymouth has spent over 10 times that and we have go absolutely nothing to show either. Bully669
  • Score: 18

10:00am Thu 4 Sep 14

annotater says...

Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind!
Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind! annotater
  • Score: 9

10:33am Thu 4 Sep 14

westie22 says...

Don't ever let Council's go on about reduced budgets and how they are struggling to keep front line services going when they can spend a £1 million pounds without making any progress. I worked for DCC for over ten years and I can see nothing has changed. They continue to spend on consultants and never ending meetings with no end result.
Don't ever let Council's go on about reduced budgets and how they are struggling to keep front line services going when they can spend a £1 million pounds without making any progress. I worked for DCC for over ten years and I can see nothing has changed. They continue to spend on consultants and never ending meetings with no end result. westie22
  • Score: 9

10:54am Thu 4 Sep 14

Dorset stuff says...

annotater wrote:
Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind!
How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.
[quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind![/p][/quote]How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective. Dorset stuff
  • Score: 5

12:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Simon 1965 says...

Dorset stuff wrote:
annotater wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind!
How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.
Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind![/p][/quote]How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.[/p][/quote]Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything. Simon 1965
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Thu 4 Sep 14

JamesYoung says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
annotater wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind!
How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.
Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything.
Exactly. Local busybody complains to local councillor. Local councillor sees it as a lever for votes and gets onto the council employees, who are expected to drop everything they are doing to kow-tow to said Councillor. The end result of this is meetings where nothing ever gets decided because somebody can always think of somebody else who should be consulted.
In China, they can throw up a power station in 3 months. Here it takes 20 years. That's why Britain is losing the race.
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind![/p][/quote]How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.[/p][/quote]Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Local busybody complains to local councillor. Local councillor sees it as a lever for votes and gets onto the council employees, who are expected to drop everything they are doing to kow-tow to said Councillor. The end result of this is meetings where nothing ever gets decided because somebody can always think of somebody else who should be consulted. In China, they can throw up a power station in 3 months. Here it takes 20 years. That's why Britain is losing the race. JamesYoung
  • Score: 5

2:51pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Simon 1965 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Simon 1965 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
annotater wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind!
How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.
Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything.
Exactly. Local busybody complains to local councillor. Local councillor sees it as a lever for votes and gets onto the council employees, who are expected to drop everything they are doing to kow-tow to said Councillor. The end result of this is meetings where nothing ever gets decided because somebody can always think of somebody else who should be consulted. In China, they can throw up a power station in 3 months. Here it takes 20 years. That's why Britain is losing the race.
And that is also why nothing will ever be done with the ferry terminal site if a new operator cannot be found to replace Condor.........
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind![/p][/quote]How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.[/p][/quote]Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Local busybody complains to local councillor. Local councillor sees it as a lever for votes and gets onto the council employees, who are expected to drop everything they are doing to kow-tow to said Councillor. The end result of this is meetings where nothing ever gets decided because somebody can always think of somebody else who should be consulted. In China, they can throw up a power station in 3 months. Here it takes 20 years. That's why Britain is losing the race.[/p][/quote]And that is also why nothing will ever be done with the ferry terminal site if a new operator cannot be found to replace Condor......... Simon 1965
  • Score: 0

3:31pm Thu 4 Sep 14

cosmick says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Simon 1965 wrote:
Dorset stuff wrote:
annotater wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind!
How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.
Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything.
Exactly. Local busybody complains to local councillor. Local councillor sees it as a lever for votes and gets onto the council employees, who are expected to drop everything they are doing to kow-tow to said Councillor. The end result of this is meetings where nothing ever gets decided because somebody can always think of somebody else who should be consulted. In China, they can throw up a power station in 3 months. Here it takes 20 years. That's why Britain is losing the race.
And that is also why nothing will ever be done with the ferry terminal site if a new operator cannot be found to replace Condor.........
New operator on there way. Just vote out the rubbish councillors you have now.
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset stuff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annotater[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here then. Lining the pockets of the managers comes instantly to mind![/p][/quote]How can they line the managers pockets? From what I have seen, plenty of work goes into these schemes and gets knocked back because someone complains a sign is in the wrong place(according to them) or some such other rubbish. Dorchester is a difficult place to move traffic around and there will always be someone who is not happy. So £1000000 has been wasted because the towns folk will never agree on what needs to be done. So perhaps the magnifying glass needs to be pointed in that direction rather than at the council. FYI, I do not work for the council, I am just looking at this issue from a different perspective.[/p][/quote]Perfectly correct - it was people power that killed the Howard Holdings scheme to redevelop Weymouth ferry terminal as well. Thats the problem that councils face, delays through consultation and subsequent failure of the people to agree on anything.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Local busybody complains to local councillor. Local councillor sees it as a lever for votes and gets onto the council employees, who are expected to drop everything they are doing to kow-tow to said Councillor. The end result of this is meetings where nothing ever gets decided because somebody can always think of somebody else who should be consulted. In China, they can throw up a power station in 3 months. Here it takes 20 years. That's why Britain is losing the race.[/p][/quote]And that is also why nothing will ever be done with the ferry terminal site if a new operator cannot be found to replace Condor.........[/p][/quote]New operator on there way. Just vote out the rubbish councillors you have now. cosmick
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

CoogarUK.com says...

Only politicians can get away with this sort of incompetency and inefficiency, it seems. as to those blaming public opinion for the delays, it might help if the council could present a decent proposal in the first place instead of the constant flow of hairbrained schemes. That, or nothing at all, would be preferable.
Only politicians can get away with this sort of incompetency and inefficiency, it seems. as to those blaming public opinion for the delays, it might help if the council could present a decent proposal in the first place instead of the constant flow of hairbrained schemes. That, or nothing at all, would be preferable. CoogarUK.com
  • Score: 7

1:38am Fri 5 Sep 14

breamoreboy says...

"but town councillor and chairman of the working group for the Dorchester Transport and Environment Plan (DTEP) Andy Canning said this decision could ‘put the plan back for another decade’. He said: “We are now 12 years into this project. It has been a difficult situation and we have been trying to progress a serious scheme with a much reduced budget.” He argued in favour of further public consultation for residents to decide whether they would prefer the revised scheme to be implemented or parts of it to be progressed. " Coming from a position of complete ignorance on this subject I have these questions. If this is the result of having a working group, what progress would have been made if Dorchester had a non-working group? Why after 12 years does anybody need further public consultation? If £1M has been spent in direct costs, how much has been lost indirectly to Dorchester's economy? Are local taxpayers ever going to get anything for their money or is this yet another bottomless pit?
"but town councillor and chairman of the working group for the Dorchester Transport and Environment Plan (DTEP) Andy Canning said this decision could ‘put the plan back for another decade’. He said: “We are now 12 years into this project. It has been a difficult situation and we have been trying to progress a serious scheme with a much reduced budget.” He argued in favour of further public consultation for residents to decide whether they would prefer the revised scheme to be implemented or parts of it to be progressed. " Coming from a position of complete ignorance on this subject I have these questions. If this is the result of having a working group, what progress would have been made if Dorchester had a non-working group? Why after 12 years does anybody need further public consultation? If £1M has been spent in direct costs, how much has been lost indirectly to Dorchester's economy? Are local taxpayers ever going to get anything for their money or is this yet another bottomless pit? breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

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