Cyclist stopped by police on Weymouth prom... at 7.30am

STOPPED: Lucy Horwood who cycles to work on Portland from Preston

STOPPED: Lucy Horwood who cycles to work on Portland from Preston

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A WOMAN cyclist was shocked to be stopped at 7.30am by a police van and warned she could get a £500 fine for riding on Weymouth seafront.

Lucy Horwood, a coach for the British Windsurfing Team, was going to the national sailing academy on Portland.

“There must be better things for police to do,” said the Preston resident.

“The officer said he was supposed to take my name and address and I could face a £500 fine. I was a bit shocked.

“I could understand it if I was weaving in and out of kids. There was hardly anyone there at that time.

“The police were polite. It was only the second time I’d cycled to work. I was trying to ‘do my bit’.”

Lucy, 29, found the incident frustrating because cycle trails and roads can feel dangerous – and later the same day she would have been glad to see police around.

“I was going home on the Rodwell Trail and I had to pass by a group of young lads hanging around,” she said.

“And by Asda there were about eight drunks. I felt vulnerable as a lone woman. The trail can be dark.”

Dorset Police and Weymouth and Portland Council began a crackdown on seafront cycling on August 1.

Inspector Peter Meteau, section commander for Weymouth and Portland, said: “There is a debate every summer about how the laws and bylaws will be enforced.

“It’s very difficult but we need to have a modicum of common sense. First time offenders are getting letters.

“This is about dealing with people who cycle recklessly in a robust manner.

“If a young person is careering along with people jumping for cover they need to be prosecuted.

“We don’t want to resort to legislation. This lady wasn’t fined.

“We will get criticism whatever we do. But I think it’s about trying to make it safe for all concerned.”

Coun Brendan Webster, brief holder for tourism and community facilities, said: “I had a near miss at around 7.30am in December with a cyclist going about 15-20 mph.

“It’s possible to have an accident even in the mornings.”

A Weymouth and Portland Council spokesman said: “It’s not for us to comment on how the police use their resources.”

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9:14am Wed 19 Aug 09

Bilious says...

Law's a law no matter what time of day or night and if you agree with it or not.
Law's a law no matter what time of day or night and if you agree with it or not. Bilious
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9:23am Wed 19 Aug 09

Mads says...

> Coun Brendan Webster, brief holder for tourism and community facilities, said: “I had a near miss at around 7.30am in December with a cyclist going about 15-20 mph.

How convenient!

> Law's a law no matter what time of day or night and if you agree with it or not.

And sometimes the law is an ****.
> Coun Brendan Webster, brief holder for tourism and community facilities, said: “I had a near miss at around 7.30am in December with a cyclist going about 15-20 mph. How convenient! > Law's a law no matter what time of day or night and if you agree with it or not. And sometimes the law is an ****. Mads
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9:51am Wed 19 Aug 09

allesca says...

Why is this woman complaining? She was breaking the law and the police told her to stop. Did she phone the police and report the incident when she felt intimidated by the drunks or just the Echo?
Why is this woman complaining? She was breaking the law and the police told her to stop. Did she phone the police and report the incident when she felt intimidated by the drunks or just the Echo? allesca
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10:09am Wed 19 Aug 09

freeopinion says...

It’s not often i have the pleasure to say anything nice about Dorset Police but i believe in this instance the intervention was appropriate and also the outcome. We all keep saying that we want the law enforced across the board so now let’s not complain when they are only doing the job we employ them to do. I do not want the Police to cherry pick the laws they enforce neither can we cherry pick the laws we abide by.the law is the law.
It’s not often i have the pleasure to say anything nice about Dorset Police but i believe in this instance the intervention was appropriate and also the outcome. We all keep saying that we want the law enforced across the board so now let’s not complain when they are only doing the job we employ them to do. I do not want the Police to cherry pick the laws they enforce neither can we cherry pick the laws we abide by.the law is the law. freeopinion
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10:13am Wed 19 Aug 09

wykeregislad says...

She may have been riding on the pavement but before you all go off on one at the weekend i witnessed a police officer on a one of there specially designed police mountain bikes on patrol riding along the seafront a little further up from this incident by the clock so come on dorset police practice what you preach or stop wasting tax payers money and you are a big waste may i add and start doing real work
She may have been riding on the pavement but before you all go off on one at the weekend i witnessed a police officer on a one of there specially designed police mountain bikes on patrol riding along the seafront a little further up from this incident by the clock so come on dorset police practice what you preach or stop wasting tax payers money and you are a big waste may i add and start doing real work wykeregislad
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10:16am Wed 19 Aug 09

Atomic Punk says...

"“It’s very difficult but we need to have a modicum of common sense."

And that is where he failed. Cycling on an empty pavement when the road next to it is full of commuter traffic IS common sense. All you are doing by sending letters and then fining people is forcing the Cyclists into traffic when it's not needed. The blood will on the the Police and Councilors hands when cyclists start getting killed.

Common sense also says that if the esplanade IS busy, then you don't cycle on it.
"“It’s very difficult but we need to have a modicum of common sense." And that is where he failed. Cycling on an empty pavement when the road next to it is full of commuter traffic IS common sense. All you are doing by sending letters and then fining people is forcing the Cyclists into traffic when it's not needed. The blood will on the the Police and Councilors hands when cyclists start getting killed. Common sense also says that if the esplanade IS busy, then you don't cycle on it. Atomic Punk
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10:24am Wed 19 Aug 09

smokey5756 says...

The answer of course is designated cycle lanes such as they have on the seafront of St Helier in Jersey. Expensive? No just a painted white line.
The answer of course is designated cycle lanes such as they have on the seafront of St Helier in Jersey. Expensive? No just a painted white line. smokey5756
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10:35am Wed 19 Aug 09

F1 says...

The police should monitor the strecth of St Thomas St, by Tescos and the Weatherspoons.

The road is for Taxi's, ambulances, delivery trucks.

Not a short cut for bone ideal lazy motorists who dont give too hoots about breaking the law and out to save seconds in their precious lives.
The police should monitor the strecth of St Thomas St, by Tescos and the Weatherspoons. The road is for Taxi's, ambulances, delivery trucks. Not a short cut for bone ideal lazy motorists who dont give too hoots about breaking the law and out to save seconds in their precious lives. F1
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10:45am Wed 19 Aug 09

bungy says...

2 coppers quiet time of day + 1 atractive young lady breaking a minor lay =
well you do the maths
2 coppers quiet time of day + 1 atractive young lady breaking a minor lay = well you do the maths bungy
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11:14am Wed 19 Aug 09

Guru Ed says...

What was a police van doing hanging around the old pier bandstand area at 7.30 in the morning? Oh I know waiting for the people who try to commute to work safely on cycles and not block the town up with their motor vehicles. How can bigger seaside towns such as Bournemouth and Brighton manage to have designated cycle lanes on their extremely busy promanades without to many problems and Weymouth just says NO!!! Can I just say its so good to read a comment that brings common sense into the argument well done Atomic Punk!
What was a police van doing hanging around the old pier bandstand area at 7.30 in the morning? Oh I know waiting for the people who try to commute to work safely on cycles and not block the town up with their motor vehicles. How can bigger seaside towns such as Bournemouth and Brighton manage to have designated cycle lanes on their extremely busy promanades without to many problems and Weymouth just says NO!!! Can I just say its so good to read a comment that brings common sense into the argument well done Atomic Punk! Guru Ed
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11:21am Wed 19 Aug 09

siratb says...

It does seem a complete waste of time to me. There are plently of other things the police could be doing - like stopping dangerous driving motorists, or investigating thefts (which they don't seem to do these days) rather than stop someone for riding a bike on an empty prom - just because it is against the law UNTIL 14th September then it will be legal...????
It does seem a complete waste of time to me. There are plently of other things the police could be doing - like stopping dangerous driving motorists, or investigating thefts (which they don't seem to do these days) rather than stop someone for riding a bike on an empty prom - just because it is against the law UNTIL 14th September then it will be legal...???? siratb
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11:44am Wed 19 Aug 09

David Payne says...

Well done Dorset Police, you've really earned your wages this week! How many people were speeding, driving having had a skin full the previous night and still over the limit or breaking into houses at 7.30 this morning? This woman was riding her bike to work keeping fit thus easing pressure on the NHS, give her a break. Here's an idea....lets all get back in our cars and not bother doing what the government are telling us, and thats getting on our bikes. I cycle whenever i can and yes that includes the prom, if its busy i'll walk my bike, if not i'll ride it...why?....because its a **** site safer than the roads in this town. My advice, Dorset Police, PLEASE consentrate on the real criminals, WPBC, START introducing cycle lanes. Lucy, keep on cycling.
Well done Dorset Police, you've really earned your wages this week! How many people were speeding, driving having had a skin full the previous night and still over the limit or breaking into houses at 7.30 this morning? This woman was riding her bike to work keeping fit thus easing pressure on the NHS, give her a break. Here's an idea....lets all get back in our cars and not bother doing what the government are telling us, and thats getting on our bikes. I cycle whenever i can and yes that includes the prom, if its busy i'll walk my bike, if not i'll ride it...why?....because its a **** site safer than the roads in this town. My advice, Dorset Police, PLEASE consentrate on the real criminals, WPBC, START introducing cycle lanes. Lucy, keep on cycling. David Payne
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11:53am Wed 19 Aug 09

kmatt says...

Get your helmet on and get on the road, the traffic isnt very heavy at 7.30am and at the moment well lit.

Do your bit and stick to the Law...
Get your helmet on and get on the road, the traffic isnt very heavy at 7.30am and at the moment well lit. Do your bit and stick to the Law... kmatt
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12:20pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Stanley Perkins says...

WPBC and Dorset Police...We are an Olympic town. Promote healthy living, don't discourage it.

Cycling to work should be applauded not prevented.

I agree it's not practical to cylce down the promenade and beach wall during busy periods, but at 7.30am the only thing she is a going to hit is a tramp or a drunk. (A social problem in the town that you have NEVER dealt with).

Lucy - keep pedalling!

WPBC and Dorset Police...We are an Olympic town. Promote healthy living, don't discourage it. Cycling to work should be applauded not prevented. I agree it's not practical to cylce down the promenade and beach wall during busy periods, but at 7.30am the only thing she is a going to hit is a tramp or a drunk. (A social problem in the town that you have NEVER dealt with). Lucy - keep pedalling! Stanley Perkins
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12:28pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson says...

bungy wrote:
2 coppers quiet time of day + 1 atractive young lady breaking a minor lay = well you do the maths
Don't know what you mean ;-)

"attractive young lady breaking a minor lay"? :-)
[quote][p][bold]bungy[/bold] wrote: 2 coppers quiet time of day + 1 atractive young lady breaking a minor lay = well you do the maths[/p][/quote]Don't know what you mean ;-) "attractive young lady breaking a minor lay"? :-) Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson
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12:37pm Wed 19 Aug 09

freeopinion says...

I am sick of reading about how hard done by cyclist are, and the stupid thing is that they are even prepared to put into print that they openly ignore the law because it suits them, It’s not about how serious the crime was or why the Police van was there it’s about enforcing the law however small and for that i applaud the Police. What is wrong with people today if they want to ride bikes fine but obey the laws of the land, you would all be up in arms if i started driving my car on the esplanade and it is no different. The rate you cyclists are going somebody will set up an anti cycling group and you will only have yourselves to blame. Pedestrians have as much right to live in peace and walk the streets without fear of being run down by some selfish idiot on a bike. It would seem that cyclists are on some sort of concerted campaign to bully the council and the general public into giving in to all of their demands, but when you only get a few months in prison for killing somebody why should you care, if you only cripple somebody you would get away with community service and for breaking an arm or a leg a small fine.
I am sick of reading about how hard done by cyclist are, and the stupid thing is that they are even prepared to put into print that they openly ignore the law because it suits them, It’s not about how serious the crime was or why the Police van was there it’s about enforcing the law however small and for that i applaud the Police. What is wrong with people today if they want to ride bikes fine but obey the laws of the land, you would all be up in arms if i started driving my car on the esplanade and it is no different. The rate you cyclists are going somebody will set up an anti cycling group and you will only have yourselves to blame. Pedestrians have as much right to live in peace and walk the streets without fear of being run down by some selfish idiot on a bike. It would seem that cyclists are on some sort of concerted campaign to bully the council and the general public into giving in to all of their demands, but when you only get a few months in prison for killing somebody why should you care, if you only cripple somebody you would get away with community service and for breaking an arm or a leg a small fine. freeopinion
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12:49pm Wed 19 Aug 09

F1 says...

The social problem is too many people are driving cars.

And what makes matters worse its for that trip that on foot may take 15 minutes, or 5 minutes on a push bike.

The problem wont go away and has to be resolved. Are you saying cars are the best option? As someone quoted 'Cyclist keep fit and ease the burden of the NHS'

Motoroist should be safe, cyclist should be safe, and also pedestrians need to be safe.

More deaths occur on the roads between motorists and push bikes, than push bikes and pedestrian. Work it out your self

Cycling/Keeping fit should be appluaded, not disencourgaed.
The social problem is too many people are driving cars. And what makes matters worse its for that trip that on foot may take 15 minutes, or 5 minutes on a push bike. The problem wont go away and has to be resolved. Are you saying cars are the best option? As someone quoted 'Cyclist keep fit and ease the burden of the NHS' Motoroist should be safe, cyclist should be safe, and also pedestrians need to be safe. More deaths occur on the roads between motorists and push bikes, than push bikes and pedestrian. Work it out your self Cycling/Keeping fit should be appluaded, not disencourgaed. F1
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12:57pm Wed 19 Aug 09

itsallaboutthebike says...

Here we go again! freeopinion the cyclist hater. Get back into your car with you leather backed gloves and flat cap.

I passed this lady this morning while cycling along the bus lane. 5 minutes prior to that I had seen an older gentleman merrily cycling along the preston beach wall. Evidently the police were not in force this morning.
Here we go again! freeopinion the cyclist hater. Get back into your car with you leather backed gloves and flat cap. I passed this lady this morning while cycling along the bus lane. 5 minutes prior to that I had seen an older gentleman merrily cycling along the preston beach wall. Evidently the police were not in force this morning. itsallaboutthebike
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1:31pm Wed 19 Aug 09

bungy says...

Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson wrote:
bungy wrote: 2 coppers quiet time of day + 1 atractive young lady breaking a minor lay = well you do the maths
Don't know what you mean ;-) "attractive young lady breaking a minor lay"? :-)
Sorry tremendous i was posting with a french accent dont you know
[quote][p][bold]Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bungy[/bold] wrote: 2 coppers quiet time of day + 1 atractive young lady breaking a minor lay = well you do the maths[/p][/quote]Don't know what you mean ;-) "attractive young lady breaking a minor lay"? :-) [/p][/quote]Sorry tremendous i was posting with a french accent dont you know bungy
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1:38pm Wed 19 Aug 09

siratb says...

freeopinion wrote:
I am sick of reading about how hard done by cyclist are, and the stupid thing is that they are even prepared to put into print that they openly ignore the law because it suits them, It’s not about how serious the crime was or why the Police van was there it’s about enforcing the law however small and for that i applaud the Police. What is wrong with people today if they want to ride bikes fine but obey the laws of the land, you would all be up in arms if i started driving my car on the esplanade and it is no different. The rate you cyclists are going somebody will set up an anti cycling group and you will only have yourselves to blame. Pedestrians have as much right to live in peace and walk the streets without fear of being run down by some selfish idiot on a bike. It would seem that cyclists are on some sort of concerted campaign to bully the council and the general public into giving in to all of their demands, but when you only get a few months in prison for killing somebody why should you care, if you only cripple somebody you would get away with community service and for breaking an arm or a leg a small fine.
I thought you were the chairperson of the "Weymouth Victorian Anti Cyling and having fun Society"...your posts certainly reflect this view. Anyway it is stupid and wasting time, money and resources enforcing a law WHICH IS ABOUT TO BE CHANGED (for the better). You are right about pedestrians though, I think they deserve equal rights, so next time a pedestrian knocks a cyclist off their bike by stepping off the curb into the road or walking into a designated cycle track, or allowing their dogs to hinder and distress cyclists on a designated cycle track or allow their dogs to foul a cycle path, I expect them to be taken to court. Also if the council do not sweep the designated cycle paths, allow loose grit, slippery wet leaves to remain on the path, do not repair pot holes or rough ground, and a cyclist suffers damage, then the council should be sued................
if that is how you want to play it. I'm actually for live and let live, but this town is so full of old whingers (Victorian Dad - see Viz) that of course "oooohhh noooo, you couldn't do that, there would be carnage, death, destruction, the end of the world is neigh....."...

Good luck Weymouth with the 2012 Olympics!
[quote][p][bold]freeopinion[/bold] wrote: I am sick of reading about how hard done by cyclist are, and the stupid thing is that they are even prepared to put into print that they openly ignore the law because it suits them, It’s not about how serious the crime was or why the Police van was there it’s about enforcing the law however small and for that i applaud the Police. What is wrong with people today if they want to ride bikes fine but obey the laws of the land, you would all be up in arms if i started driving my car on the esplanade and it is no different. The rate you cyclists are going somebody will set up an anti cycling group and you will only have yourselves to blame. Pedestrians have as much right to live in peace and walk the streets without fear of being run down by some selfish idiot on a bike. It would seem that cyclists are on some sort of concerted campaign to bully the council and the general public into giving in to all of their demands, but when you only get a few months in prison for killing somebody why should you care, if you only cripple somebody you would get away with community service and for breaking an arm or a leg a small fine. [/p][/quote]I thought you were the chairperson of the "Weymouth Victorian Anti Cyling and having fun Society"...your posts certainly reflect this view. Anyway it is stupid and wasting time, money and resources enforcing a law WHICH IS ABOUT TO BE CHANGED (for the better). You are right about pedestrians though, I think they deserve equal rights, so next time a pedestrian knocks a cyclist off their bike by stepping off the curb into the road or walking into a designated cycle track, or allowing their dogs to hinder and distress cyclists on a designated cycle track or allow their dogs to foul a cycle path, I expect them to be taken to court. Also if the council do not sweep the designated cycle paths, allow loose grit, slippery wet leaves to remain on the path, do not repair pot holes or rough ground, and a cyclist suffers damage, then the council should be sued................ if that is how you want to play it. I'm actually for live and let live, but this town is so full of old whingers (Victorian Dad - see Viz) that of course "oooohhh noooo, you couldn't do that, there would be carnage, death, destruction, the end of the world is neigh....."... Good luck Weymouth with the 2012 Olympics! siratb
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1:43pm Wed 19 Aug 09

knivelhead51 says...

smokey5756 wrote:
The answer of course is designated cycle lanes such as they have on the seafront of St Helier in Jersey. Expensive? No just a painted white line.
Ha HA have you ever seen a cyclist using a cycle path. On a juorney from Osmington to Tophill Portland this morning at 5.00 yes it's still dark I encountered 15 cyclist's ONLY FOUR had visible lighting on the back and front of their cycles and one of these four had I believe illegal flashing red & blue lights back and front. I know its not the same but it shows how they think thier above the law
[quote][p][bold]smokey5756[/bold] wrote: The answer of course is designated cycle lanes such as they have on the seafront of St Helier in Jersey. Expensive? No just a painted white line. [/p][/quote]Ha HA have you ever seen a cyclist using a cycle path. On a juorney from Osmington to Tophill Portland this morning at 5.00 yes it's still dark I encountered 15 cyclist's ONLY FOUR had visible lighting on the back and front of their cycles and one of these four had I believe illegal flashing red & blue lights back and front. I know its not the same but it shows how they think thier above the law knivelhead51
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2:01pm Wed 19 Aug 09

F1 says...

knivelhead51 wrote:
smokey5756 wrote: The answer of course is designated cycle lanes such as they have on the seafront of St Helier in Jersey. Expensive? No just a painted white line.
Ha HA have you ever seen a cyclist using a cycle path. On a juorney from Osmington to Tophill Portland this morning at 5.00 yes it's still dark I encountered 15 cyclist's ONLY FOUR had visible lighting on the back and front of their cycles and one of these four had I believe illegal flashing red & blue lights back and front. I know its not the same but it shows how they think thier above the law
You can use flashing red lights, but you also have to have a light that is fixed on.

This should be clamped on, as this is for EVERYONES safety.

But if we want to pick on every cyclists fault (I have mine, but at the same time I do respect pedestrians, use lights and keep full attention on whats going on around me), then how many car drivers each day keep using their mobiles, how many cars have ilegal number plates, how many cars speed each day (even just a mile over the limit, which is breaking the law!).

How many do not indicate? How many go down a road they shouldn't do (St Thomas St).

How many go along with music so loud, distrubting the peace, but more importantly their concentration.
[quote][p][bold]knivelhead51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokey5756[/bold] wrote: The answer of course is designated cycle lanes such as they have on the seafront of St Helier in Jersey. Expensive? No just a painted white line. [/p][/quote]Ha HA have you ever seen a cyclist using a cycle path. On a juorney from Osmington to Tophill Portland this morning at 5.00 yes it's still dark I encountered 15 cyclist's ONLY FOUR had visible lighting on the back and front of their cycles and one of these four had I believe illegal flashing red & blue lights back and front. I know its not the same but it shows how they think thier above the law [/p][/quote]You can use flashing red lights, but you also have to have a light that is fixed on. This should be clamped on, as this is for EVERYONES safety. But if we want to pick on every cyclists fault (I have mine, but at the same time I do respect pedestrians, use lights and keep full attention on whats going on around me), then how many car drivers each day keep using their mobiles, how many cars have ilegal number plates, how many cars speed each day (even just a mile over the limit, which is breaking the law!). How many do not indicate? How many go down a road they shouldn't do (St Thomas St). How many go along with music so loud, distrubting the peace, but more importantly their concentration. F1
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2:29pm Wed 19 Aug 09

The Old Rec says...

The comments quoted in this article say that the police officers were 'supposed' to take her name and address - the inference being that they didn't. How will she receive her first time offender letter as described by Inspector Meteau! How will it be recorded that she has been warned before. Another criminal slipping through the net.
The comments quoted in this article say that the police officers were 'supposed' to take her name and address - the inference being that they didn't. How will she receive her first time offender letter as described by Inspector Meteau! How will it be recorded that she has been warned before. Another criminal slipping through the net. The Old Rec
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2:35pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Sideshow Bob says...

Jeeeesus! All this over a bike and a bit of tarmac!!!

The police were right to stop her and give her a telling off for riding in a 'no riding' area, but at 7:30 in the morning? Come off it...........

Were the police just sat there waiting for easy prey to come past? If they were then they should get a b**ll*cking too for wasteing time.

Don't get me wrong, I think cyclists should be allowed to ride on the prom, but not at the moment as it's illegal.

Also, mabye the idiots who step out in front of you when you are cycling on a legal cycle path and then shout at you for nearly running them over, should be given warnings/fines as well. Or we could just fit bull bars to our bikes...............
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Jeeeesus! All this over a bike and a bit of tarmac!!! The police were right to stop her and give her a telling off for riding in a 'no riding' area, but at 7:30 in the morning? Come off it........... Were the police just sat there waiting for easy prey to come past? If they were then they should get a b**ll*cking too for wasteing time. Don't get me wrong, I think cyclists should be allowed to ride on the prom, but not at the moment as it's illegal. Also, mabye the idiots who step out in front of you when you are cycling on a legal cycle path and then shout at you for nearly running them over, should be given warnings/fines as well. Or we could just fit bull bars to our bikes............... .......... Sideshow Bob
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2:44pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Douglas Mc says...

The Police were on duty and had to deal with what was happening where they were detailed to be. The Law is the Law and we should not pick and choose which laws we will obey and which to ignore.
In any case many cyclists abuse our footpaths. A footpath is precisely that and cycling on footpaths is illegal. Cycling on roads, and bridal ways only and public land where cycling has been permitted by the relevant authority.
The Police were on duty and had to deal with what was happening where they were detailed to be. The Law is the Law and we should not pick and choose which laws we will obey and which to ignore. In any case many cyclists abuse our footpaths. A footpath is precisely that and cycling on footpaths is illegal. Cycling on roads, and bridal ways only and public land where cycling has been permitted by the relevant authority. Douglas Mc
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2:44pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Mr Toad says...

“Inspector Peter Meteau, section commander for Weymouth and Portland, said:
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“It’s very difficult but we need to have a modicum of common sense. First time offenders are getting letters.
“This is about dealing with people who cycle recklessly in a robust manner.
“If a young person is careering along with people jumping for cover they need to be prosecuted. “
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Well said. Perhaps the police could organise a compulsory course in common sense for Councillors ... and UselessOpinion should also attend to demonstrate his grasp of unreality.
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Coun Brendan Webster, brief holder for tourism and community facilities, said:
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“I had a near miss at around 7.30am in December with a cyclist going about 15-20 mph."
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I’m sure that Coun Webster is an honourable man, not given to exaggeration, and not (my first reaction) a purveyor of Porky Pies. (Coun James eats them of course, but that’s another story).
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However, a comparison: Coun Webster’s ‘One morning in December’ versus my almost daily experience.
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Fresh in my memory is this morning, whilst on my 7-mile commute; where I experienced the following “near misses”.
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One was a delivery vehicle whose driver decided to get to the Swannery roundabout before me, and then turn left when he was barely past me (I was set to go straight on, had positioned myself accordingly, and was travelling at about 15mph). As it was he had to stop to give way to a vehicle already on the roundabout. I got his details, and his employer will be receiving an e-mail later today.
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Then, whilst cycling on the OUTSIDE of a queue of stationary vehicles – but in my lane - a motorist decided that he would change lanes without looking. To be fair, he did look see me and stop when - having been forced to the centre of the road - I was alongside his driver’s door.
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Please bear in mind that I’m an experienced cyclist (almost 40 years) and accept most incidents as one of the risks of not being an intolerant lard-arse.
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It’s just part of my daily routine, but it shouldn’t be considered an acceptable risk; particularly for those who the Council is allegedly attempting to entice out of their cars.
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btw Knivel:

On 23rd October 2005, it became legal to have a flashing light on a pedal cycle, and that no other light would be needed in that position.
“Inspector Peter Meteau, section commander for Weymouth and Portland, said: . “It’s very difficult but we need to have a modicum of common sense. First time offenders are getting letters. “This is about dealing with people who cycle recklessly in a robust manner. “If a young person is careering along with people jumping for cover they need to be prosecuted. “ . Well said. Perhaps the police could organise a compulsory course in common sense for Councillors ... and UselessOpinion should also attend to demonstrate his grasp of unreality. . ==================== == . Coun Brendan Webster, brief holder for tourism and community facilities, said: . “I had a near miss at around 7.30am in December with a cyclist going about 15-20 mph." . I’m sure that Coun Webster is an honourable man, not given to exaggeration, and not (my first reaction) a purveyor of Porky Pies. (Coun James eats them of course, but that’s another story). . However, a comparison: Coun Webster’s ‘One morning in December’ versus my almost daily experience. . Fresh in my memory is this morning, whilst on my 7-mile commute; where I experienced the following “near misses”. . One was a delivery vehicle whose driver decided to get to the Swannery roundabout before me, and then turn left when he was barely past me (I was set to go straight on, had positioned myself accordingly, and was travelling at about 15mph). As it was he had to stop to give way to a vehicle already on the roundabout. I got his details, and his employer will be receiving an e-mail later today. . Then, whilst cycling on the OUTSIDE of a queue of stationary vehicles – but in my lane - a motorist decided that he would change lanes without looking. To be fair, he did look see me and stop when - having been forced to the centre of the road - I was alongside his driver’s door. . Please bear in mind that I’m an experienced cyclist (almost 40 years) and accept most incidents as one of the risks of not being an intolerant lard-arse. . It’s just part of my daily routine, but it shouldn’t be considered an acceptable risk; particularly for those who the Council is allegedly attempting to entice out of their cars. . btw Knivel: On 23rd October 2005, it became legal to have a flashing light on a pedal cycle, and that no other light would be needed in that position. Mr Toad
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3:32pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Cllr Brendan Webster says...

My comment to the Echo is simply a matter of fact regards the law. As I understand it Lucy Horwood was stopped and told she was at fault.

It does strike me that Lucy would have had to cycle home again later in the day, perhaps by the same route, or given that there would be more pedestrians about, she might have used the highway.

There are some riders and times that I hope would be treated rather more robustly when caught.

My near miss was in December 2004. I came down the steps near the pebbles cafe between the chalets and a speeding bike travelling from the town toward Preston missed me very narrowly. He had a dim light on, but was travelling very close to the chalets. If you know the area you will know that both the cyclist and I would have had poor lines of sight (there is a row of pillars that obscure the exit from the gardens) At 7:30am in December the sun has not yet risen but the sky is beginning to lighten.
As a pedestrian, I was not expecting a high speed encounter (bikes go a lot faster than pedestrians) on a pedestrian only walkway.

Having said that I have been bumped into by a slow cyclist at 9:00am in St Mary Street - no damage done. My 18 month old grandson had a close encounter on the seafront about 50 or 60 metres beyond the end Brunswick Terrace cul-de-sac when on a sunny afternoon in October, a cyclist was weaving his way between people doing about 7 mph (a slow running speed) when my grandson stepped one step into his path. The cyclist could not swerve but did brake stopping barely a few inches from the boy. My wife was so flustered that she apologised to the cyclist before he rode off. A slight variation in the timing of the boy's movement could have resulted in injury.

The law will, we think, be changed to allow cycling between the sluice gardens and the Oasis Cafe, but not between the sluice gardens and the pavilion.

The width and use of the prom by the chalets is not compatible with cycling, in my opinion. Most of the time, especially in good weather the seafront in or near the town centre is used by many people, very young to very old, who hope to enjoy a non threatening relaxed experience. I would like to keep it that way.
My comment to the Echo is simply a matter of fact regards the law. As I understand it Lucy Horwood was stopped and told she was at fault. It does strike me that Lucy would have had to cycle home again later in the day, perhaps by the same route, or given that there would be more pedestrians about, she might have used the highway. There are some riders and times that I hope would be treated rather more robustly when caught. My near miss was in December 2004. I came down the steps near the pebbles cafe between the chalets and a speeding bike travelling from the town toward Preston missed me very narrowly. He had a dim light on, but was travelling very close to the chalets. If you know the area you will know that both the cyclist and I would have had poor lines of sight (there is a row of pillars that obscure the exit from the gardens) At 7:30am in December the sun has not yet risen but the sky is beginning to lighten. As a pedestrian, I was not expecting a high speed encounter (bikes go a lot faster than pedestrians) on a pedestrian only walkway. Having said that I have been bumped into by a slow cyclist at 9:00am in St Mary Street - no damage done. My 18 month old grandson had a close encounter on the seafront about 50 or 60 metres beyond the end Brunswick Terrace cul-de-sac when on a sunny afternoon in October, a cyclist was weaving his way between people doing about 7 mph (a slow running speed) when my grandson stepped one step into his path. The cyclist could not swerve but did brake stopping barely a few inches from the boy. My wife was so flustered that she apologised to the cyclist before he rode off. A slight variation in the timing of the boy's movement could have resulted in injury. The law will, we think, be changed to allow cycling between the sluice gardens and the Oasis Cafe, but not between the sluice gardens and the pavilion. The width and use of the prom by the chalets is not compatible with cycling, in my opinion. Most of the time, especially in good weather the seafront in or near the town centre is used by many people, very young to very old, who hope to enjoy a non threatening relaxed experience. I would like to keep it that way. Cllr Brendan Webster
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3:36pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Cllr Brendan Webster says...

My comment to the Echo is simply a matter of fact regards the law. As I understand it Lucy Horwood was stopped and told she was at fault.

It does strike me that Lucy would have had to cycle home again later in the day, perhaps by the same route, or given that there would be more pedestrians about, she might have used the highway.

There are times and riders when I would hope the police would treat more robustly. I have (over a year ago) indicated the approach I favoured. Letting reasonably well behaved offenders know is OK. Punishing dangerous or persistent instances is OK too.

My near miss was in December 2004. I came down the steps near the pebbles cafe between the chalets and a speeding bike travelling from the town toward Preston missed me very narrowly. He had a dim light on, but was travelling very close to the chalets. If you know the area you will know that both the cyclist and I would have had poor lines of sight (there is a row of pillars that obscure the exit from the gardens) At 7:30am in December the sun has not yet risen but the sky is beginning to lighten.
As a pedestrian, I was not expecting a high speed encounter (bikes go a lot faster than pedestrians) on a pedestrian only walkway.

Having said that I have been bumped into by a slow cyclist at 9:00am in St Mary Street - no damage done. My 18 month old grandson had a close encounter on the seafront about 50 or 60 metres beyond the end Brunswick Terrace cul-de-sac when on a sunny afternoon in October, a cyclist was weaving his way between people doing about 6 or 7 mph (a slow running speed) when my grandson stepped one step into his path. The cyclist could not swerve but did brake stopping barely a few inches from the boy. My wife was so flustered that she apologised to the cyclist before he rode off. A slight variation in the timing of the boy's movement could have resulted in injury.

The law will, we think, be changed to allow cycling between the sluice gardens and the Oasis Cafe, but not between the sluice gardens and the pavilion.

The width and use of the prom by the chalets is not compatible with cycling, in my opinion. Most of the time, especially in good weather the seafront in or near the town centre is used by many people very young to very old, who hope to enjoy a non threatening relaxed experience. I would like to keep it that way.
My comment to the Echo is simply a matter of fact regards the law. As I understand it Lucy Horwood was stopped and told she was at fault. It does strike me that Lucy would have had to cycle home again later in the day, perhaps by the same route, or given that there would be more pedestrians about, she might have used the highway. There are times and riders when I would hope the police would treat more robustly. I have (over a year ago) indicated the approach I favoured. Letting reasonably well behaved offenders know is OK. Punishing dangerous or persistent instances is OK too. My near miss was in December 2004. I came down the steps near the pebbles cafe between the chalets and a speeding bike travelling from the town toward Preston missed me very narrowly. He had a dim light on, but was travelling very close to the chalets. If you know the area you will know that both the cyclist and I would have had poor lines of sight (there is a row of pillars that obscure the exit from the gardens) At 7:30am in December the sun has not yet risen but the sky is beginning to lighten. As a pedestrian, I was not expecting a high speed encounter (bikes go a lot faster than pedestrians) on a pedestrian only walkway. Having said that I have been bumped into by a slow cyclist at 9:00am in St Mary Street - no damage done. My 18 month old grandson had a close encounter on the seafront about 50 or 60 metres beyond the end Brunswick Terrace cul-de-sac when on a sunny afternoon in October, a cyclist was weaving his way between people doing about 6 or 7 mph (a slow running speed) when my grandson stepped one step into his path. The cyclist could not swerve but did brake stopping barely a few inches from the boy. My wife was so flustered that she apologised to the cyclist before he rode off. A slight variation in the timing of the boy's movement could have resulted in injury. The law will, we think, be changed to allow cycling between the sluice gardens and the Oasis Cafe, but not between the sluice gardens and the pavilion. The width and use of the prom by the chalets is not compatible with cycling, in my opinion. Most of the time, especially in good weather the seafront in or near the town centre is used by many people very young to very old, who hope to enjoy a non threatening relaxed experience. I would like to keep it that way. Cllr Brendan Webster
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4:05pm Wed 19 Aug 09

GMax says...

Douglas Mc wrote:
The Police were on duty and had to deal with what was happening where they were detailed to be. The Law is the Law and we should not pick and choose which laws we will obey and which to ignore. In any case many cyclists abuse our footpaths. A footpath is precisely that and cycling on footpaths is illegal. Cycling on roads, and bridal ways only and public land where cycling has been permitted by the relevant authority.
Douglas Mc wrote:
The Law is the Law and we should not pick and choose which laws we will obey and which to ignore.
================
Indeed I agree, however, the same goes for all those motorists that still use their mobile while driving.
They know full well it's illigal and can cost then (what is it now) 6 points on their licence and (what) £60 fine.
Many of them still do it anyway so they also pick and choose which laws to obey and which to ignore.
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I fully agree with Mr Toad, I used to work in Moreton and often I cycled all the way back to Weymouth which was around 13 mile.
Quite often I was forced of the road by motorists totally ignoring me.
At one time a motirist passed me at great speed and was so close that his wing mirror slammed on my hand,
he knocked me of my bike and was driving so fast that I didn't get a chance to see his number plate, he was (according to my own judgment)
driving at a speed of atleast 80+mph on a road that had a limit of 50mph
And then some idiots are trying to say we cyclists are ignorant!!!!
GET REAL, IT'S THE CYCLISTS THAT ARE IGNORED.
All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less.
GMax
[quote][p][bold]Douglas Mc[/bold] wrote: The Police were on duty and had to deal with what was happening where they were detailed to be. The Law is the Law and we should not pick and choose which laws we will obey and which to ignore. In any case many cyclists abuse our footpaths. A footpath is precisely that and cycling on footpaths is illegal. Cycling on roads, and bridal ways only and public land where cycling has been permitted by the relevant authority. [/p][/quote]Douglas Mc wrote: The Law is the Law and we should not pick and choose which laws we will obey and which to ignore. ================ Indeed I agree, however, the same goes for all those motorists that still use their mobile while driving. They know full well it's illigal and can cost then (what is it now) 6 points on their licence and (what) £60 fine. Many of them still do it anyway so they also pick and choose which laws to obey and which to ignore. -------------------- ----------- I fully agree with Mr Toad, I used to work in Moreton and often I cycled all the way back to Weymouth which was around 13 mile. Quite often I was forced of the road by motorists totally ignoring me. At one time a motirist passed me at great speed and was so close that his wing mirror slammed on my hand, he knocked me of my bike and was driving so fast that I didn't get a chance to see his number plate, he was (according to my own judgment) driving at a speed of atleast 80+mph on a road that had a limit of 50mph And then some idiots are trying to say we cyclists are ignorant!!!! GET REAL, IT'S THE CYCLISTS THAT ARE IGNORED. All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less. GMax GMax
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4:06pm Wed 19 Aug 09

PortlandWilliam says...

Cllr Webster, what will you do to support and promote cycling in W & P as part of the integrated transport plan? Perhaps a little bit of roadspace will have to be sacrificed by the motor car to ensure a "non threatening relaxed experience" for both the pedestrian and the cyclist.
Cllr Webster, what will you do to support and promote cycling in W & P as part of the integrated transport plan? Perhaps a little bit of roadspace will have to be sacrificed by the motor car to ensure a "non threatening relaxed experience" for both the pedestrian and the cyclist. PortlandWilliam
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4:45pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Genghis says...

I've lost the will to live. I couldn't care less where the machine worshippers drive their cars or ride their bikes any more. I'll just sue them for every penny they got if one ever rides over me again.

"All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less.
GMax."

I'll totally support you in that GMax. The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do. A safe place for pedestrians don't enter into a cyclists vocabulary or even their thoughts. So I'll support you in your search for a safe place for cyclists but my goal will also include a safe place for pedestrians.
I've lost the will to live. I couldn't care less where the machine worshippers drive their cars or ride their bikes any more. I'll just sue them for every penny they got if one ever rides over me again. "All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less. GMax." I'll totally support you in that GMax. The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do. A safe place for pedestrians don't enter into a cyclists vocabulary or even their thoughts. So I'll support you in your search for a safe place for cyclists but my goal will also include a safe place for pedestrians. Genghis
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6:41pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Cllr Brendan Webster says...

PortlandWilliam wrote:
Cllr Webster, what will you do to support and promote cycling in W & P as part of the integrated transport plan? Perhaps a little bit of roadspace will have to be sacrificed by the motor car to ensure a "non threatening relaxed experience" for both the pedestrian and the cyclist.
Hi PortlandWilliam,
Yes, I would like to see safer cycling. I do own a bike but I don't use it these days as I am not a great rider especially on busy roads. Locally, I have managed Weymouth to Abbotsbury Swannery a couple of times in recent years, but then when I tried cycling up King Street to turn right for the Jubilee trading estate I was abused by a motorist just for being a cyclist.

I do want to get my bike back on the road and will support more and better cycle routes. I am certainly not anti bike.
[quote][p][bold]PortlandWilliam[/bold] wrote: Cllr Webster, what will you do to support and promote cycling in W & P as part of the integrated transport plan? Perhaps a little bit of roadspace will have to be sacrificed by the motor car to ensure a "non threatening relaxed experience" for both the pedestrian and the cyclist.[/p][/quote]Hi PortlandWilliam, Yes, I would like to see safer cycling. I do own a bike but I don't use it these days as I am not a great rider especially on busy roads. Locally, I have managed Weymouth to Abbotsbury Swannery a couple of times in recent years, but then when I tried cycling up King Street to turn right for the Jubilee trading estate I was abused by a motorist just for being a cyclist. I do want to get my bike back on the road and will support more and better cycle routes. I am certainly not anti bike. Cllr Brendan Webster
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6:54pm Wed 19 Aug 09

siratb says...

Genghis wrote:
I've lost the will to live. I couldn't care less where the machine worshippers drive their cars or ride their bikes any more. I'll just sue them for every penny they got if one ever rides over me again. "All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less. GMax." I'll totally support you in that GMax. The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do. A safe place for pedestrians don't enter into a cyclists vocabulary or even their thoughts. So I'll support you in your search for a safe place for cyclists but my goal will also include a safe place for pedestrians.
Ho ho, you make me laugh!
"The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do"....
awwww come on! I thought it was all about the pedestrians "keeping" the prom to themselves as they don't want to share with the cyclists!
Actually on yesterdays bike ride (about 35km on the roads as there were no suitable bike paths) we were over taken on a hump back bridge by an elderly "non aware" couple who nearly squashed my friend, and I had an Audi turn right across in front of me on Dorchester Road as I can pedaling down at about 20 MPH. Luckily I have disc brakes and have been cycling long enough to expect anything. And for the Councillor's benefit - I was wearing Lycra. Sorry.
Perhaps I should have sued someone?
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: I've lost the will to live. I couldn't care less where the machine worshippers drive their cars or ride their bikes any more. I'll just sue them for every penny they got if one ever rides over me again. "All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less. GMax." I'll totally support you in that GMax. The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do. A safe place for pedestrians don't enter into a cyclists vocabulary or even their thoughts. So I'll support you in your search for a safe place for cyclists but my goal will also include a safe place for pedestrians. [/p][/quote]Ho ho, you make me laugh! "The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do".... awwww come on! I thought it was all about the pedestrians "keeping" the prom to themselves as they don't want to share with the cyclists! Actually on yesterdays bike ride (about 35km on the roads as there were no suitable bike paths) we were over taken on a hump back bridge by an elderly "non aware" couple who nearly squashed my friend, and I had an Audi turn right across in front of me on Dorchester Road as I can pedaling down at about 20 MPH. Luckily I have disc brakes and have been cycling long enough to expect anything. And for the Councillor's benefit - I was wearing Lycra. Sorry. Perhaps I should have sued someone? siratb
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8:25pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Raymond Moobs says...

So let's get this straight, she got told off for doing something wrong, no one is wasting their time sending her a warning letter or taking her to court, they are just giving her some words of advice .... that seems to be appropriate. As for the police waiting there for her, I think you will find that they were there clearing the shelters and toilets of all the drunks and druggies. I work near the pier and they are there most mornings patrolling the sea front.
So let's get this straight, she got told off for doing something wrong, no one is wasting their time sending her a warning letter or taking her to court, they are just giving her some words of advice .... that seems to be appropriate. As for the police waiting there for her, I think you will find that they were there clearing the shelters and toilets of all the drunks and druggies. I work near the pier and they are there most mornings patrolling the sea front. Raymond Moobs
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9:32pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Mr Toad says...

Hi C'll'r Brewster,

You could do worse than to contact the West Dorset Section of the Cyclists' Touring Club.
http://www.westdorse
tctc.org.uk/

A range of rides... very easy upwards, and you'll not be left behind.

Lots of of country lanes, learn more about Dorset.

Some lycra.. but not a lot!



Hi C'll'r Brewster, You could do worse than to contact the West Dorset Section of the Cyclists' Touring Club. http://www.westdorse tctc.org.uk/ A range of rides... very easy upwards, and you'll not be left behind. Lots of of country lanes, learn more about Dorset. Some lycra.. but not a lot! Mr Toad
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10:00pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Guru Ed says...

Oh my word what a debate these cycling stories create must be the most commented on issue the echo produces.Does anyone else think this should be continued in a real time manner at a council meeting? or are they just for the invited few,like the questionaire about cycling on the promanade seemed to have been a couple of years back. The councillor has said that the law regarding cycling on the overcoombe end of the promanade maybe changed not will be changed does he have any insider info? As for the promande not being wide enough passed the Greenhill gardens area, I think you will find that it is not that much different from the beach road section appart from the room the land train takes up of course.Which obviousley doesnot cause any problems or incidents as it is a council owned money making vehicle.Why does this have permission to use the PEDESTRIAN ONLY area all the way to the statue/ information centre part of the prom at the most busiest times of the day and year?
Oh my word what a debate these cycling stories create must be the most commented on issue the echo produces.Does anyone else think this should be continued in a real time manner at a council meeting? or are they just for the invited few,like the questionaire about cycling on the promanade seemed to have been a couple of years back. The councillor has said that the law regarding cycling on the overcoombe end of the promanade maybe changed not will be changed does he have any insider info? As for the promande not being wide enough passed the Greenhill gardens area, I think you will find that it is not that much different from the beach road section appart from the room the land train takes up of course.Which obviousley doesnot cause any problems or incidents as it is a council owned money making vehicle.Why does this have permission to use the PEDESTRIAN ONLY area all the way to the statue/ information centre part of the prom at the most busiest times of the day and year? Guru Ed
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10:42pm Wed 19 Aug 09

Cllr Brendan Webster says...

Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought.
Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me.
siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first.
Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought. Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me. siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first. Cllr Brendan Webster
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12:14am Thu 20 Aug 09

siratb says...

Cllr Brendan Webster wrote:
Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought. Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me. siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first.
Cllr-

What everyone is complaining about I think (apart from the Campaign Against Cycling) - and I agree - are people who ride "furiously" and with disregard to other pavement users. What you will find is that most of your "Lycra wearing" and probably in fact also this "commuter" girl in question, probably do their best not to antagonise pedestrians. I agree that many of them (pedestrians that is) don't look back, walk in the middle of the path with extendable dog leads and generally walk with disregard to other road users. Most "Lycra wearing" and "commuter" cyclists take this into account when passing them though (as we have enough experience of this). Those cyclists that don't are are those that ride irresponsibly wherever they are....and those should be the sorts that are stopped, not the commuters trying to get to work at 07:30. If this philosophy was employed throughout W&P (as it is in say Norway) then Cyclists and Pedestrians could live together in harmony - though this may take some reeducation on the part of some pedestrians and some cyclists I agree.
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Brendan Webster[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought. Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me. siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first. [/p][/quote]Cllr- What everyone is complaining about I think (apart from the Campaign Against Cycling) - and I agree - are people who ride "furiously" and with disregard to other pavement users. What you will find is that most of your "Lycra wearing" and probably in fact also this "commuter" girl in question, probably do their best not to antagonise pedestrians. I agree that many of them (pedestrians that is) don't look back, walk in the middle of the path with extendable dog leads and generally walk with disregard to other road users. Most "Lycra wearing" and "commuter" cyclists take this into account when passing them though (as we have enough experience of this). Those cyclists that don't are are those that ride irresponsibly wherever they are....and those should be the sorts that are stopped, not the commuters trying to get to work at 07:30. If this philosophy was employed throughout W&P (as it is in say Norway) then Cyclists and Pedestrians could live together in harmony - though this may take some reeducation on the part of some pedestrians and some cyclists I agree. siratb
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5:42am Thu 20 Aug 09

Genghis says...

siratb wrote:
Genghis wrote: I've lost the will to live. I couldn't care less where the machine worshippers drive their cars or ride their bikes any more. I'll just sue them for every penny they got if one ever rides over me again. "All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less. GMax." I'll totally support you in that GMax. The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do. A safe place for pedestrians don't enter into a cyclists vocabulary or even their thoughts. So I'll support you in your search for a safe place for cyclists but my goal will also include a safe place for pedestrians.
Ho ho, you make me laugh! "The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do".... awwww come on! I thought it was all about the pedestrians "keeping" the prom to themselves as they don't want to share with the cyclists! Actually on yesterdays bike ride (about 35km on the roads as there were no suitable bike paths) we were over taken on a hump back bridge by an elderly "non aware" couple who nearly squashed my friend, and I had an Audi turn right across in front of me on Dorchester Road as I can pedaling down at about 20 MPH. Luckily I have disc brakes and have been cycling long enough to expect anything. And for the Councillor's benefit - I was wearing Lycra. Sorry. Perhaps I should have sued someone?
And yet again you miss the point entirely. I'm all for making things safer for cyclists but pedestrian safety has to be on the same agenda. You just harp on and on about cyclists' safety but when you finally get your own way what will be put in place to ensure pedestrians will have their safety taken into account? It isn't much to ask that pedestrians should have the same rights as cyclists is it?
[quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: I've lost the will to live. I couldn't care less where the machine worshippers drive their cars or ride their bikes any more. I'll just sue them for every penny they got if one ever rides over me again. "All we ask for is a safe place to cycle, nothing more nothing less. GMax." I'll totally support you in that GMax. The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do. A safe place for pedestrians don't enter into a cyclists vocabulary or even their thoughts. So I'll support you in your search for a safe place for cyclists but my goal will also include a safe place for pedestrians. [/p][/quote]Ho ho, you make me laugh! "The only thing is in every debate on this subject that is all the cyclists want to do".... awwww come on! I thought it was all about the pedestrians "keeping" the prom to themselves as they don't want to share with the cyclists! Actually on yesterdays bike ride (about 35km on the roads as there were no suitable bike paths) we were over taken on a hump back bridge by an elderly "non aware" couple who nearly squashed my friend, and I had an Audi turn right across in front of me on Dorchester Road as I can pedaling down at about 20 MPH. Luckily I have disc brakes and have been cycling long enough to expect anything. And for the Councillor's benefit - I was wearing Lycra. Sorry. Perhaps I should have sued someone?[/p][/quote]And yet again you miss the point entirely. I'm all for making things safer for cyclists but pedestrian safety has to be on the same agenda. You just harp on and on about cyclists' safety but when you finally get your own way what will be put in place to ensure pedestrians will have their safety taken into account? It isn't much to ask that pedestrians should have the same rights as cyclists is it? Genghis
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6:14am Thu 20 Aug 09

Genghis says...

Raymond Moobs wrote:
So let's get this straight, she got told off for doing something wrong, no one is wasting their time sending her a warning letter or taking her to court, they are just giving her some words of advice .... that seems to be appropriate. As for the police waiting there for her, I think you will find that they were there clearing the shelters and toilets of all the drunks and druggies. I work near the pier and they are there most mornings patrolling the sea front.
Don't be silly. It's a concerted campaign to pick on law abiding cyclists...........e
ven if their version of abiding by the law means breaking those laws they feel don't apply to them. It's called responsible cycling.
[quote][p][bold]Raymond Moobs[/bold] wrote: So let's get this straight, she got told off for doing something wrong, no one is wasting their time sending her a warning letter or taking her to court, they are just giving her some words of advice .... that seems to be appropriate. As for the police waiting there for her, I think you will find that they were there clearing the shelters and toilets of all the drunks and druggies. I work near the pier and they are there most mornings patrolling the sea front.[/p][/quote]Don't be silly. It's a concerted campaign to pick on law abiding cyclists...........e ven if their version of abiding by the law means breaking those laws they feel don't apply to them. It's called responsible cycling. Genghis
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7:28am Thu 20 Aug 09

freeopinion says...

Your last comment says it all, total ignorance/a lack of tolerance/arrogance and above all stupidity all that wrapped up in lycra what a package.
Your last comment says it all, total ignorance/a lack of tolerance/arrogance and above all stupidity all that wrapped up in lycra what a package. freeopinion
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7:30am Thu 20 Aug 09

freeopinion says...

siratb wrote:
Cllr Brendan Webster wrote: Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought. Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me. siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first.
Cllr- What everyone is complaining about I think (apart from the Campaign Against Cycling) - and I agree - are people who ride "furiously" and with disregard to other pavement users. What you will find is that most of your "Lycra wearing" and probably in fact also this "commuter" girl in question, probably do their best not to antagonise pedestrians. I agree that many of them (pedestrians that is) don't look back, walk in the middle of the path with extendable dog leads and generally walk with disregard to other road users. Most "Lycra wearing" and "commuter" cyclists take this into account when passing them though (as we have enough experience of this). Those cyclists that don't are are those that ride irresponsibly wherever they are....and those should be the sorts that are stopped, not the commuters trying to get to work at 07:30. If this philosophy was employed throughout W&P (as it is in say Norway) then Cyclists and Pedestrians could live together in harmony - though this may take some reeducation on the part of some pedestrians and some cyclists I agree.
Your last comment says it all, total ignorance/a lack of tolerance/arrogance and above all stupidity all that wrapped up in lycra what a package.
[quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr Brendan Webster[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought. Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me. siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first. [/p][/quote]Cllr- What everyone is complaining about I think (apart from the Campaign Against Cycling) - and I agree - are people who ride "furiously" and with disregard to other pavement users. What you will find is that most of your "Lycra wearing" and probably in fact also this "commuter" girl in question, probably do their best not to antagonise pedestrians. I agree that many of them (pedestrians that is) don't look back, walk in the middle of the path with extendable dog leads and generally walk with disregard to other road users. Most "Lycra wearing" and "commuter" cyclists take this into account when passing them though (as we have enough experience of this). Those cyclists that don't are are those that ride irresponsibly wherever they are....and those should be the sorts that are stopped, not the commuters trying to get to work at 07:30. If this philosophy was employed throughout W&P (as it is in say Norway) then Cyclists and Pedestrians could live together in harmony - though this may take some reeducation on the part of some pedestrians and some cyclists I agree.[/p][/quote]Your last comment says it all, total ignorance/a lack of tolerance/arrogance and above all stupidity all that wrapped up in lycra what a package. freeopinion
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8:12am Thu 20 Aug 09

F1 says...

Pedestrians safety!

Like the one who crossed the road on the Esplanade yesterday evening and because he was stuck in the middle of the road gave me the 'wan**r sign. The fact there was a pedestrian crossing 20 metres away did not come into it.

He obviously was not interested in his own safety, but saving 10 seconds and 20 metres of his own life.

See it does work both ways. You have irresposible car drivers, cyclists as well as pedestrians.
Pedestrians safety! Like the one who crossed the road on the Esplanade yesterday evening and because he was stuck in the middle of the road gave me the 'wan**r sign. The fact there was a pedestrian crossing 20 metres away did not come into it. He obviously was not interested in his own safety, but saving 10 seconds and 20 metres of his own life. See it does work both ways. You have irresposible car drivers, cyclists as well as pedestrians. F1
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9:08am Thu 20 Aug 09

homeboy01 says...

wykeregislad wrote:
She may have been riding on the pavement but before you all go off on one at the weekend i witnessed a police officer on a one of there specially designed police mountain bikes on patrol riding along the seafront a little further up from this incident by the clock so come on dorset police practice what you preach or stop wasting tax payers money and you are a big waste may i add and start doing real work
If you say anything to them about it it's a case of opperational need, thats there way of saying we can do what we want and you can't stop us 'cos we are the police.
Any respect for them has gone out of the window.
[quote][p][bold]wykeregislad[/bold] wrote: She may have been riding on the pavement but before you all go off on one at the weekend i witnessed a police officer on a one of there specially designed police mountain bikes on patrol riding along the seafront a little further up from this incident by the clock so come on dorset police practice what you preach or stop wasting tax payers money and you are a big waste may i add and start doing real work[/p][/quote]If you say anything to them about it it's a case of opperational need, thats there way of saying we can do what we want and you can't stop us 'cos we are the police. Any respect for them has gone out of the window. homeboy01
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9:20am Thu 20 Aug 09

dunketh says...

Aren't cyclists allowed to use the pointless 'congestion-creating
' bus/taxi lane across the seafront or am I wrong?
I often cycle to work and have no problems with other motorists and they have no problems with me.
I fail to see what the big deal is - I'm sure the majority of us get on just fine.
Aren't cyclists allowed to use the pointless 'congestion-creating ' bus/taxi lane across the seafront or am I wrong? I often cycle to work and have no problems with other motorists and they have no problems with me. I fail to see what the big deal is - I'm sure the majority of us get on just fine. dunketh
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9:20am Thu 20 Aug 09

siratb says...

freeopinion wrote:
siratb wrote:
Cllr Brendan Webster wrote: Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought. Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me. siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first.
Cllr- What everyone is complaining about I think (apart from the Campaign Against Cycling) - and I agree - are people who ride "furiously" and with disregard to other pavement users. What you will find is that most of your "Lycra wearing" and probably in fact also this "commuter" girl in question, probably do their best not to antagonise pedestrians. I agree that many of them (pedestrians that is) don't look back, walk in the middle of the path with extendable dog leads and generally walk with disregard to other road users. Most "Lycra wearing" and "commuter" cyclists take this into account when passing them though (as we have enough experience of this). Those cyclists that don't are are those that ride irresponsibly wherever they are....and those should be the sorts that are stopped, not the commuters trying to get to work at 07:30. If this philosophy was employed throughout W&P (as it is in say Norway) then Cyclists and Pedestrians could live together in harmony - though this may take some reeducation on the part of some pedestrians and some cyclists I agree.
Your last comment says it all, total ignorance/a lack of tolerance/arrogance and above all stupidity all that wrapped up in lycra what a package.
Yea well whatever. Having travelled the world extensively I have seen how Cyclists and Pedestrians can share the same space. But of course it would never work in W&P due to the negative "Can't do..." attitude of some of the residents.
Easy way to offer pedestrians and cyclists protection - paint a white line down the middle of the prom. Ban cyclists from one side, and BAN PEDESTRIANS from the other....easy.
[quote][p][bold]freeopinion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]siratb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr Brendan Webster[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Toad. I'll give the idea some thought. Regards Lycra, I am sure it is fine, it simply seems to adopt a unwanted shape on me. siratb, I am sure lycra is the Bs and Es for 35km bike rides on the open road. You of course know that the comment about lycra is just a way of saying that fast cycling in mixed use pathways is a problem when there are pedestrians about - even if you give them a metre berth, they could just choose the wrong moment to manoeuvre without the benefit of looking behind first. [/p][/quote]Cllr- What everyone is complaining about I think (apart from the Campaign Against Cycling) - and I agree - are people who ride "furiously" and with disregard to other pavement users. What you will find is that most of your "Lycra wearing" and probably in fact also this "commuter" girl in question, probably do their best not to antagonise pedestrians. I agree that many of them (pedestrians that is) don't look back, walk in the middle of the path with extendable dog leads and generally walk with disregard to other road users. Most "Lycra wearing" and "commuter" cyclists take this into account when passing them though (as we have enough experience of this). Those cyclists that don't are are those that ride irresponsibly wherever they are....and those should be the sorts that are stopped, not the commuters trying to get to work at 07:30. If this philosophy was employed throughout W&P (as it is in say Norway) then Cyclists and Pedestrians could live together in harmony - though this may take some reeducation on the part of some pedestrians and some cyclists I agree.[/p][/quote]Your last comment says it all, total ignorance/a lack of tolerance/arrogance and above all stupidity all that wrapped up in lycra what a package. [/p][/quote]Yea well whatever. Having travelled the world extensively I have seen how Cyclists and Pedestrians can share the same space. But of course it would never work in W&P due to the negative "Can't do..." attitude of some of the residents. Easy way to offer pedestrians and cyclists protection - paint a white line down the middle of the prom. Ban cyclists from one side, and BAN PEDESTRIANS from the other....easy. siratb
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9:21am Thu 20 Aug 09

homeboy01 says...

YF1, Weymouth says
You can use flashing red lights, but F1, Weymouthyou also have to have a light that is fixed on.

This should be clamped on, as this is for EVERYONES safety.
Well tell that to the policewoman riding down the carnival with a red light fixed to her high viz jacket and that was the only light on the back of her police cycle.
YF1, Weymouth says You can use flashing red lights, but F1, Weymouthyou also have to have a light that is fixed on. This should be clamped on, as this is for EVERYONES safety. Well tell that to the policewoman riding down the carnival with a red light fixed to her high viz jacket and that was the only light on the back of her police cycle. homeboy01
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10:22am Thu 20 Aug 09

Atomic Punk says...

I've written to my MP to suggest they claim back any money that have given the W&PBC for cycle improvements, as clearly they don't give a rats **** about it.
I've written to my MP to suggest they claim back any money that have given the W&PBC for cycle improvements, as clearly they don't give a rats **** about it. Atomic Punk
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10:22am Thu 20 Aug 09

Atomic Punk says...

I've written to my MP to suggest they claim back any money that have given the W&PBC for cycle improvements, as clearly they don't give a rats **** about it.
I've written to my MP to suggest they claim back any money that have given the W&PBC for cycle improvements, as clearly they don't give a rats **** about it. Atomic Punk
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11:19am Thu 20 Aug 09

freeopinion says...

This is all getting very childish we all have different wishes and desires but unfortunately these are not always directly compatible, but in the light of recent circumstances it has brought out a great deal of emotion. What we have to do is consider everybody and ask ourselves how we can integrate in the most convenient way without making demands of we want this or we want that. I am all in favour of a cycle network but the only way to get that is by showing that it would be used and the first thing we get is people posting (i would not use a cycle path i will continue to use the road) not exactly helping your cause for a cycle network is it. The main reason there is so much animosity between cyclist and the public in general is brought about by the large number of cyclists who show complete disregard for the law and other people. I understand that in other countries cyclists and pedestrians/motorist
s get along fine but they have respect for other people which is something sadly missing in this country today we operate under the F**k you jack im all right system. Another point to remember is the fact that a large and growing proportion of our residents are elderly who tend to be a little deaf and maybe wobble a bit when walking so when using a combined pathway great care needs to be taken. All problems can be solved to everybody’s advantage if people sit down and talk.
This is all getting very childish we all have different wishes and desires but unfortunately these are not always directly compatible, but in the light of recent circumstances it has brought out a great deal of emotion. What we have to do is consider everybody and ask ourselves how we can integrate in the most convenient way without making demands of we want this or we want that. I am all in favour of a cycle network but the only way to get that is by showing that it would be used and the first thing we get is people posting (i would not use a cycle path i will continue to use the road) not exactly helping your cause for a cycle network is it. The main reason there is so much animosity between cyclist and the public in general is brought about by the large number of cyclists who show complete disregard for the law and other people. I understand that in other countries cyclists and pedestrians/motorist s get along fine but they have respect for other people which is something sadly missing in this country today we operate under the F**k you jack im all right system. Another point to remember is the fact that a large and growing proportion of our residents are elderly who tend to be a little deaf and maybe wobble a bit when walking so when using a combined pathway great care needs to be taken. All problems can be solved to everybody’s advantage if people sit down and talk. freeopinion
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1:39pm Thu 20 Aug 09

miff says...

Why the sudden concentration of applying the law of no cycling to the seafront, what about all the other footpaths and pavements in the town? Cyclists riding at speed on a four foot wide pavement past doorways and garden gates... even the ones who do ride on the road, when faced with an obstruction like traffic lights or queues, will quite readily hop on to the pavement to pass the obstruction before returning to the road. They are allowed to ride quite happily against one-way streets without challenge and some of these are pedestrianised. Maybe it's those health and safety boffins preventing the police and council from doing their duty because if those poor cyclists ride on the road and get hurt we would have to have someone to blame. Come on police and council, sort yourselves out.
Why the sudden concentration of applying the law of no cycling to the seafront, what about all the other footpaths and pavements in the town? Cyclists riding at speed on a four foot wide pavement past doorways and garden gates... even the ones who do ride on the road, when faced with an obstruction like traffic lights or queues, will quite readily hop on to the pavement to pass the obstruction before returning to the road. They are allowed to ride quite happily against one-way streets without challenge and some of these are pedestrianised. Maybe it's those health and safety boffins preventing the police and council from doing their duty because if those poor cyclists ride on the road and get hurt we would have to have someone to blame. Come on police and council, sort yourselves out. miff
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1:41pm Thu 20 Aug 09

siratb says...

But YOU are missing the point too. I, and many other cyclists can integrate quite easily with pedestrians, and show courtesy to them - if allowed and they do not deliberately go out of their way to hinder me (yes it does happen). Unfortunately many pedestrians (of which the Councillor is obviously one) tar all cyclists with the same "furious riding" brush. Unfortunately there are many pedestrians which can't integrate with cyclists yet either - maybe they see the bike as an invasion of their personal space? Believe it or not, I regularly walk along the prom too, and I have no problem with cyclists along there - or the invalid carts, or the Land Train, or even the Council vans using it as a short cut to bypass the congested beach road (yes they do).
I'd ride on any bike path which is going where I am going and is not in a dangerous condition - Just seems so eminently sensible to section off some of the prom for Wheels - it is in a good state of repair, goes directly into town, is wide enough and visibility is not hindered by trees or hedges (around the back of the Sealife Centre for example)....why is everything so difficult in this town?
But YOU are missing the point too. I, and many other cyclists can integrate quite easily with pedestrians, and show courtesy to them - if allowed and they do not deliberately go out of their way to hinder me (yes it does happen). Unfortunately many pedestrians (of which the Councillor is obviously one) tar all cyclists with the same "furious riding" brush. Unfortunately there are many pedestrians which can't integrate with cyclists yet either - maybe they see the bike as an invasion of their personal space? Believe it or not, I regularly walk along the prom too, and I have no problem with cyclists along there - or the invalid carts, or the Land Train, or even the Council vans using it as a short cut to bypass the congested beach road (yes they do). I'd ride on any bike path which is going where I am going and is not in a dangerous condition - Just seems so eminently sensible to section off some of the prom for Wheels - it is in a good state of repair, goes directly into town, is wide enough and visibility is not hindered by trees or hedges (around the back of the Sealife Centre for example)....why is everything so difficult in this town? siratb
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4:16pm Thu 20 Aug 09

Flotsam says...

..."why is everything so difficult in this town?"..

Thomas Hardy (a keen cyclist by the way) worked in Weymouth for a few years, but was too embarrassed to admit it. In his books he calls the place Budmouth Regis.

Footnote:
Paleontologists believe that Weymouth, on Dorset's 'jurassic coast' has the world's largest concentration of dinosaurs.

http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/uk
/article6721039.ece

http://www.nature/ju
rassiccoast/weymouth
/livingfossils/blink
ers.edu
..."why is everything so difficult in this town?".. Thomas Hardy (a keen cyclist by the way) worked in Weymouth for a few years, but was too embarrassed to admit it. In his books he calls the place Budmouth Regis. Footnote: Paleontologists believe that Weymouth, on Dorset's 'jurassic coast' has the world's largest concentration of dinosaurs. http://www.timesonli ne.co.uk/tol/news/uk /article6721039.ece http://www.nature/ju rassiccoast/weymouth /livingfossils/blink ers.edu Flotsam
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4:18pm Thu 20 Aug 09

Flotsam says...

..."why is everything so difficult in this town?"..

Thomas Hardy (a keen cyclist by the way) worked in Weymouth for a few years, but was too embarrassed to admit it. In his books he calls the place Budmouth Regis.

Footnote:
Paleontologists believe that Weymouth, on Dorset's 'jurassic coast' has the world's largest concentration of dinosaurs.

http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/uk
/article6721039.ece
.
and.


http://www.nature/ju
rassiccoast/weymouth
/livingfossils/blink
ers.edu
..."why is everything so difficult in this town?".. Thomas Hardy (a keen cyclist by the way) worked in Weymouth for a few years, but was too embarrassed to admit it. In his books he calls the place Budmouth Regis. Footnote: Paleontologists believe that Weymouth, on Dorset's 'jurassic coast' has the world's largest concentration of dinosaurs. http://www.timesonli ne.co.uk/tol/news/uk /article6721039.ece . and. http://www.nature/ju rassiccoast/weymouth /livingfossils/blink ers.edu Flotsam
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6:09pm Thu 20 Aug 09

praha says...

Monty Python stuff....
Monty Python stuff.... praha
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12:59pm Sat 22 Aug 09

praha says...

No comment; no opinion; is the pope catholic; how long is a piece of string?

No comment; no opinion; is the pope catholic; how long is a piece of string? praha
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