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Dorset's message to climate conference
8:00am Tuesday 22nd December 2009
DORSET may be hundreds of miles from Denmark but campaigners hope they were able to send a message to decision-makers at the Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen.
A vigil in Weymouth town centre was one of many held round the world to demonstrate to leaders attending the conference that people want a real climate deal.
Weymouth and Portland Transition Town (TT) group organised the event in the town and it was attended by about 30 people which included local politicians and members of Greenpeace.
They held up banners which said ‘Climate Change – Fair, Ambitious Binding Treaty’ and ‘Climate Change – The World Needs a Real Deal’.
The global vigil was promoted by the internet campaigning group Avaaz.org which said that 3,000 events took place in more than 130 different countries.
The two-week UN conference in the Danish capital aimed to thrash out a global deal on climate change although many were disappointed by the outcomes.
Weymouth and Portland TT secretary David Smith said: “We had a successful event in Weymouth and we can only hope that people were listening to us.
“We read out the declaration before marching through the town centre.”
The declaration which was read out says that the fragile balance of the Earth is changing and global warming could be beyond our control in five years.
It says the decisions we make today will decide the future of humanity and we should stop burning oil, coal and wood and shift to the natural energy of the sun, wind and water.
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Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson, Weymouth says...
8:39am Tue 22 Dec 09
Climategate anyone?
CO2 as a driver of the climate? Scientific Consensus? Don't make me laugh!
Open your to eyes to what is happening:
http://wattsupwithth
at.com/
http://www.thegwpf.o
rg/
http://www.copenhage
nclimatechallenge.or
g/index.php?option=c
om_content&view=fron
tpage&Itemid=1
free wessex, Bridport says...
8:49am Tue 22 Dec 09
Weston7, Portland says...
9:05am Tue 22 Dec 09
(My key words: "heat-soon"!!)
popup, portland says...
9:39am Tue 22 Dec 09
Mabu, Dorchester says...
9:50am Tue 22 Dec 09
TurnerDigital, Towcester says...
9:52am Tue 22 Dec 09
Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson, Weymouth says...
10:29am Tue 22 Dec 09
Mabu wrote:Nonsense!
Climate change has been proved being reasonable doubt, to be due to humans' CO2 emissions. The vast amounts of scientists agree and with stakes so high it's irresponsible to ignore this. Yes, it's cold, that's why they dropped 'global warming' for climate change, it was seen as ambiguous. In between your cynical pub-logic comments, spare a thought for a few million in Africa and entire Asian-island communities who are suffering already.
CO2 levels lags the Earth's temperature by 800 years. Not the other way round.
Solar activity, water vapour, ocean currents, and the tilt of the Earth's axis have a much larger say in the Earth's varying climate.
And incidentally, just how much CO2 does mankind contribute to the overall level??? 3% is the answer. Just 3%. The assertion that we somehow control the climate is ludicrous and arrogance beyond belief.
We would be better off putting all our knowledge and technology into adapting to natural climatic variations and generally just cleaning up our act. Not wasting time, effort and vast sums of money into a futile attempt to control the climate.
King Canute springs to mind!
You won't see these referred to on the BBC but please check them out:
http://wattsupwithth
at.com/
http://www.thegwpf.o
rg/
http://www.copenhage
nclimatechallenge.or
g/index.php?option=c
om_content&view=fron
tpage&Itemid=1
Dorsetdumpling, Weymouth says...
2:26pm Tue 22 Dec 09
Sorry Mabu - not convinced - this planet has been changing its climate for as long as it's had one. Humans have experienced it many times in the blink of the eye of time that we have been on this planet, and have either adapted, moved on, or died.
Whatever the real motives are for pressing to reduce carbon emissions, I suspect that concern for the planet is WAY down the list.
billyboi, Dorchester says...
4:22pm Tue 22 Dec 09
Dorsetdumpling wrote:Ditto-and I think the motive for this is increased taxation
"...Beyond reasonable doubt", "...high stakes", "...irresponsible", "...cynical", "...pub logic", "...have a thought for those affected" - yees the usual litany we see in reply to anyone who dares question the dogma of global warming (- sorry, climate change). Sorry Mabu - not convinced - this planet has been changing its climate for as long as it's had one. Humans have experienced it many times in the blink of the eye of time that we have been on this planet, and have either adapted, moved on, or died. Whatever the real motives are for pressing to reduce carbon emissions, I suspect that concern for the planet is WAY down the list.
Mabu, Dorchester says...
5:01pm Tue 22 Dec 09
e sitting down to grunt in agreement with Jeremy Clarkson. And you can substantiate anything you want, with Google.
Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson, Weymouth says...
6:01pm Tue 22 Dec 09
http://www.timeshigh
ereducation.co.uk/st
ory.asp?sectioncode=
26&storycode=409454&
c=2
http://wattsupwithth
at.com/2009/12/22/st
udy-shows-cfcs-cosmi
c-rays-major-culprit
s-for-global-warming
/
http://www-eaps.mit.
edu/faculty/lindzen/
CV.pdf
http://arxiv.org/ftp
/arxiv/papers/0809/0
809.3762.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Global_Warm
ing_Petition_Project
Have you heard of the Global Warming Petition Project (Oregon Petition)? 31,000 scientists and engineers (over 9,000 holding Phd's) dispute the view of AGW. Hardly a consensus or what you might call "4x4 drivers"!
Sorry, but you are being led up the garden path by some very devious people with another agenda.
Get a grip, weymouth says...
6:09pm Tue 22 Dec 09
Mabu, Dorchester says...
6:46pm Tue 22 Dec 09
billyboi, Dorchester says...
6:49pm Tue 22 Dec 09
Mabu wrote:The logical conclusion not maybe the correct one and scientists have been known to be wrong and to announce findings under pressure of the Government of the day to support their policies. And yes I drive a 4x4 but I think you will find a large estate or saloon car emitts more CO2 so that's another myth you believe in. So why don't you take your holier than thou attitude and stick it where the sun doesn't shine (before that dies and the world ends anyway).
It is human nature to believe what is in our individual interests. Perhaps that's why people are reluctant to buy into the overwhelming evidence of man made climate change, because this is certainly the logical conclusion. Scientists rarely stick their heads out or exaggerate findings for limelight, as they face disgrace from their peers and lose credibility. And certainly not huge numbers of leading scientists on such big issues. Scientists work on facts, not taxes and not gut feeling (as is what influences us). We have to take their word for it or remain uncommitted. NOT trawl through the internet looking for the minority, biased climate change websites made by 4x4 drivers to make them feel better about themselves.....befor e sitting down to grunt in agreement with Jeremy Clarkson. And you can substantiate anything you want, with Google.
Mabu, Dorchester says...
7:52pm Tue 22 Dec 09
Tremendous Eddie Tremendouson, Weymouth says...
8:33pm Tue 22 Dec 09
Mabu wrote:No one doubts naturally varying climatactic change. But man's effort in all of it? Insignificant I am afraid.
I am not impressed by these links (or one CV)! It is a complex issue and therefore a case will always be made against it. 31,000 is still a minority. As a non-scientist I have to trust the majority as well as consider the risks. Until this changes climate change should and will be a big consideration for me.
And the person's CV is Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT. The foremost expert on atmospheric physics and author of over 200 papers. Was once part of the IPCC but resigned because of it increasing political bias and non-scientific methods. In fact it is not even a scientific body these days - it is a political body and as corrupt as you will ever get (as the recent Climategate and HadCRU scandal wil testify). Professor Lindzen is now a confirmed sceptic towards AGW.
One last one for you: http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/6847227/
Questions-over-busin
ess-deals-of-UN-clim
ate-change-guru-Dr-R
ajendra-Pachauri.htm
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Nice bloke!
Won't say any more as this is obviously a faith issue with you and not a scientific one.
Mabu, Dorchester says...
8:58pm Tue 22 Dec 09
billyboi, Dorchester says...
10:25pm Tue 22 Dec 09
Mabu wrote:I think most sane people agree with cutting down on the amount of pollution the human race produce and the depletion of the earth's natural resources but I believe that climate change would occur without any help from us. Plus I think people believe these campaigners are preaching at us and that just puts alot of peoples backs up and then they just dig their heels in.
Billyboi, I posted to redress the balance in a one-sided set of comments re a controversial issue. If this upsets you, that's unfortunate. And I question all high polluting vehicles. Many 4x4's being an obvious example among them. I myself work in the oil and gas industry, in the design of large process plants and refineries. I have stood and watched the flaring of dirty byproducts for hours on end and the plumes of thick black smoke stretching for miles and becoming clouds - so I am not claiming higher ground! I am simply highlighting my concerns over climate change and the strong evidence that we as individuals contribute to it and therefore should act.
theonewhoistall, weymouth says...
10:38am Wed 23 Dec 09
We are fairly insignificant to the earth in the grand scheme of things and climatic changes happen on huge cycles beyond our comprehension as such short lived organisms.
We will inevitably die out or move on at some point and the planet will continue, to it we are at best a nasty rash...
However, lets take this opportunity to develop a fair, sustainable, clean and healthy way of living rather than treading grist through the mill and living in fear as the few in power have tricked most of us into doing...
If you want to free yourself check out Charlie Veitch "Everything is OK"
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=qAQrsA3m8
Bg
and the Freeman of the land movement
Peace
Mabu, Dorchester says...
11:45am Wed 23 Dec 09
Weston7, Portland says...
9:10pm Wed 23 Dec 09
Mabu wrote:He's also very funny. Great to see someone mocking the paranoids who think everyone is a peadophile or terrorist, and who try to stop innocent photos and filming in public places. Good for him if he helps redress the balance between legit safety and overbearing repression.
Charlie Veitch is an attention seeking anti-authority, anti-everything, wannabe-celebrity air-head. Seriously, take a look at Climate wars on youtube for scientific view from both sides of the argument.
boner, says...
11:56am Thu 24 Dec 09
Mabu, Dorchester says...
12:44pm Thu 24 Dec 09
David Smith and members of the Transition Town group at their climate change vigil
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