Islanders vow to protect Portland themselves

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ANGRY Portlanders vowed to start policing the island themselves after officers snubbed their latest meeting.

Residents gathered for a second time hoping to find out what the police had done since promising to clamp down on gangs and anti-social behaviour.

At the first meeting, islanders warned that they knew of groups who were ready to take the law into their own hands and officers warned that anyone doing that would be arrested.

The residents dismissed the idea of vigilante groups at the latest meeting, held at the Clifton Hotel.

But when the police decided not to attend they vowed to set up a community action group to patrol trouble hotspots on Friday and Saturday nights to try and ensure public safety.

Clifton Hotel landlord and Portland town councillor Neil ‘Chaz’ Charlton insisted today the patrols would be legal and would operate in conjunction with ShopWatch and PubWatch schemes he would like to see set up on the island.

“This would not be a vigilante group. It’s about having a presence on the island,” Mr Charlton said.

Resident Miguel Rodriguez said at the meeting: “We need something done now.

“I’m not talking about a vigilante group but can we not set up a security team of about 20 of us?

“That would start solving the problem immediately.

“It would not be a vigilante group. It would help with people’s concerns.”

Other residents at the meeting showed support for the idea and agreed that they would be prepared to help patrol the island.

Ian Beckett, who chairs Portland’s Partners and Communities Together (PACT) meetings, said islanders would have more power if they became Special Constables to work with the police.

But this idea was dismissed when he said it would take 20 months to train.

Mr Beckett then agreed to find out how a community action group would operate and what they could legally achieve.

Residents expressed their anger at the no-show by police.

Among them, Steph Thompson said: “We feel that we don’t matter to the police.

“If we did they would have made sure that somebody was here tonight to represent the police.”

Portland Mayor David Thurston was asked to chair the meeting.

He told the 40 to 50 residents who attended that he was prepared to write a letter to the head of Dorset Police demanding more help to ensure public safety.

He said: “We were all very concerned about what was going on here on Portland.

“And after the last meeting I thought the police went away rather shocked when they realised the anger of the local people. I thought the agreement was that we would come back in a month’s time and we would see the result of what their work was.”

Other residents at the meeting agreed to get copies of Mr Thurston’s letter made so that other islanders can sign and send them off in their own name too.

Mr Thurston added: “Within 48 hours of that last meeting there were another two serious assaults on the island so our concerns were definitely well founded.”

Since the first meeting, teams of officers have blitzed the island during one weekend where groups of youths were searched and sent away using dispersal orders.

During that operation, a man was arrested after being found with a knife in Easton Square and for being drunk in charge of a child at the same time. Residents at the meeting said the island had been quiet since that weekend.

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10:07am Wed 4 Aug 10

acop40 says...

In New York, they are called guardian angels, I suppose on portland they will be guardian apes.
In New York, they are called guardian angels, I suppose on portland they will be guardian apes. acop40
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10:09am Wed 4 Aug 10

white43 says...

I'm just dying to see the YouTube clips of someone dressed as Kick ****.
I'm just dying to see the YouTube clips of someone dressed as Kick ****. white43
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10:17am Wed 4 Aug 10

spangler says...

Why doesn't the Town Council establish a Community Warden scheme?
Why doesn't the Town Council establish a Community Warden scheme? spangler
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10:30am Wed 4 Aug 10

portlandresident says...

Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!!
Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!! portlandresident
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10:57am Wed 4 Aug 10

Real Wyke-ite says...

"islanders warned that they knew of groups who were ready to take the law into their own hands and officers warned that anyone doing that would be arrested." ....
Typical reaction from our gutless police. They would rather take the easy option and arrest the aggreived rather than deal with the root cause of the problem. I'm having a similar problem, police don't want to get involved, may result in extra work and paperwork for very few "brownie points"
"islanders warned that they knew of groups who were ready to take the law into their own hands and officers warned that anyone doing that would be arrested." .... Typical reaction from our gutless police. They would rather take the easy option and arrest the aggreived rather than deal with the root cause of the problem. I'm having a similar problem, police don't want to get involved, may result in extra work and paperwork for very few "brownie points" Real Wyke-ite
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11:19am Wed 4 Aug 10

17th Earl of Fortuneswell says...

Who watches the Watchmen ?
Who watches the Watchmen ? 17th Earl of Fortuneswell
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11:24am Wed 4 Aug 10

PortlandYoof says...

Forget patrolling and being nice.. if I catch any of the little scrotes whacking wingmirrors off my car with a bat i'll take a bat to them!
Forget patrolling and being nice.. if I catch any of the little scrotes whacking wingmirrors off my car with a bat i'll take a bat to them! PortlandYoof
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11:40am Wed 4 Aug 10

portlandresident says...

PortlandYoof wrote:
Forget patrolling and being nice.. if I catch any of the little scrotes whacking wingmirrors off my car with a bat i'll take a bat to them!
By doing that, the vandals will have you for assult, as they'll have the cuts and bruises to prove it, whilst the police will say that no-one can prove who damaged your car through lack of evidence. So, you get prosecuted for assult, whilst the vandals laugh at you! So, is assult on them really the best response? Besides, it's only adding to the already out of control problem we have. I'm by no means saying that vandals and thugs shouldn't be punished, but it shouldn't be the public who do it! It should be the firm hand of the law, which clearly doesn't have any existence on Portland. I just feel that this really isn't the best way to deal with it, and that Police should be contacted again and again, until they're sick of hearing about it. Regardless of whether they say there's no money or insufficient resources, how dare the police make me feel unsafe in my home location. It's the fear of crime which is the most infectious. This is really what needs to stop.
[quote][p][bold]PortlandYoof[/bold] wrote: Forget patrolling and being nice.. if I catch any of the little scrotes whacking wingmirrors off my car with a bat i'll take a bat to them![/p][/quote]By doing that, the vandals will have you for assult, as they'll have the cuts and bruises to prove it, whilst the police will say that no-one can prove who damaged your car through lack of evidence. So, you get prosecuted for assult, whilst the vandals laugh at you! So, is assult on them really the best response? Besides, it's only adding to the already out of control problem we have. I'm by no means saying that vandals and thugs shouldn't be punished, but it shouldn't be the public who do it! It should be the firm hand of the law, which clearly doesn't have any existence on Portland. I just feel that this really isn't the best way to deal with it, and that Police should be contacted again and again, until they're sick of hearing about it. Regardless of whether they say there's no money or insufficient resources, how dare the police make me feel unsafe in my home location. It's the fear of crime which is the most infectious. This is really what needs to stop. portlandresident
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12:00pm Wed 4 Aug 10

acop40 says...

portlandresident wrote:
Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!!
Yes chaps a nice suit and tie maybe and don't forget a nice little wooly cover for youre baseball bats.
[quote][p][bold]portlandresident[/bold] wrote: Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!![/p][/quote]Yes chaps a nice suit and tie maybe and don't forget a nice little wooly cover for youre baseball bats. acop40
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12:10pm Wed 4 Aug 10

sapperford says...

Good Luck great idea can you come to Weymouth when yr done, it will soon stop for you I am sure of that.
Once again its not locals but outsiders , that should be vetted & watched if needed, again if every one reported what they knew & see it would help bet these problems sorted out.
Its no good always thinking some one else will do it - THEY WONT.
Good Luck great idea can you come to Weymouth when yr done, it will soon stop for you I am sure of that. Once again its not locals but outsiders , that should be vetted & watched if needed, again if every one reported what they knew & see it would help bet these problems sorted out. Its no good always thinking some one else will do it - THEY WONT. sapperford
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12:26pm Wed 4 Aug 10

bluecat says...

Why no comment from the police?
Why no comment from the police? bluecat
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12:34pm Wed 4 Aug 10

bigpete says...

How about when you catch the little thugs you take them to thier parents and see if they are able to do anything.
How about when you catch the little thugs you take them to thier parents and see if they are able to do anything. bigpete
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12:45pm Wed 4 Aug 10

neverafraggle says...

I do agree with the fact that these mindless acts of vandalism and violence need to be dealt with in the appropriate way ....but please a group of mindless adults trying to play rambo on the streets of portland ???? whatever next ?
Putting pressure on the local council and police to act is all that can be done LEGALLY.
Mr Charlton and his merry band of thugs will only fuel a war between the vandals and the innocent people waiting for the legal solution.
As stated on a previous story regarding the portland trouble, karma has a way of turning full circle for mr charlton....does he forget his childhood ? the problems he caused ? im my opinion he is the last person who should try and act responsible.... let someone more level headed and responsible be the spokesperson for any group set up to combat the vandals.
I do agree with the fact that these mindless acts of vandalism and violence need to be dealt with in the appropriate way ....but please a group of mindless adults trying to play rambo on the streets of portland ???? whatever next ? Putting pressure on the local council and police to act is all that can be done LEGALLY. Mr Charlton and his merry band of thugs will only fuel a war between the vandals and the innocent people waiting for the legal solution. As stated on a previous story regarding the portland trouble, karma has a way of turning full circle for mr charlton....does he forget his childhood ? the problems he caused ? im my opinion he is the last person who should try and act responsible.... let someone more level headed and responsible be the spokesperson for any group set up to combat the vandals. neverafraggle
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12:58pm Wed 4 Aug 10

localgirlownteeth says...

Jeeeez, will you just get on with it all ready?? What a load of p**s and wind.
Jeeeez, will you just get on with it all ready?? What a load of p**s and wind. localgirlownteeth
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1:01pm Wed 4 Aug 10

banknote says...

neverafraggle wrote:
I do agree with the fact that these mindless acts of vandalism and violence need to be dealt with in the appropriate way ....but please a group of mindless adults trying to play rambo on the streets of portland ???? whatever next ? Putting pressure on the local council and police to act is all that can be done LEGALLY. Mr Charlton and his merry band of thugs will only fuel a war between the vandals and the innocent people waiting for the legal solution. As stated on a previous story regarding the portland trouble, karma has a way of turning full circle for mr charlton....does he forget his childhood ? the problems he caused ? im my opinion he is the last person who should try and act responsible.... let someone more level headed and responsible be the spokesperson for any group set up to combat the vandals.
At last a sensible and moderate comment.
Yes the police need to adopt a pro-active approach, not just once - but for the future.
With reference to Mr Charlton talk about "the pot calling the kettle black"!
[quote][p][bold]neverafraggle[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the fact that these mindless acts of vandalism and violence need to be dealt with in the appropriate way ....but please a group of mindless adults trying to play rambo on the streets of portland ???? whatever next ? Putting pressure on the local council and police to act is all that can be done LEGALLY. Mr Charlton and his merry band of thugs will only fuel a war between the vandals and the innocent people waiting for the legal solution. As stated on a previous story regarding the portland trouble, karma has a way of turning full circle for mr charlton....does he forget his childhood ? the problems he caused ? im my opinion he is the last person who should try and act responsible.... let someone more level headed and responsible be the spokesperson for any group set up to combat the vandals.[/p][/quote]At last a sensible and moderate comment. Yes the police need to adopt a pro-active approach, not just once - but for the future. With reference to Mr Charlton talk about "the pot calling the kettle black"! banknote
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1:26pm Wed 4 Aug 10

RobinofLocksley says...

neverafraggle wrote (extract) "Putting pressure on the local council and police to act is all that can be done LEGALLY."
Isn't the whole point that the concerned residents of Portland feel that the LEGAL process of law enforcement just isn't working?? They obviously feel that they have to do something about it themselves.
It may make things worse, or it might be for the better. We shall see.
neverafraggle wrote (extract) "Putting pressure on the local council and police to act is all that can be done LEGALLY." Isn't the whole point that the concerned residents of Portland feel that the LEGAL process of law enforcement just isn't working?? They obviously feel that they have to do something about it themselves. It may make things worse, or it might be for the better. We shall see. RobinofLocksley
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1:42pm Wed 4 Aug 10

thecomment says...

It is really bad that the police gave up on Portland a long time ago and that they couldn't give a **** (no proper police station for a very long time - just a toilet stop in Portland Port) but I seem to remember that in the 80's it was Chaz himself that was causing the problems and seemed to be unable to stay out of trouble. Funy how things come around full circle.
It is really bad that the police gave up on Portland a long time ago and that they couldn't give a **** (no proper police station for a very long time - just a toilet stop in Portland Port) but I seem to remember that in the 80's it was Chaz himself that was causing the problems and seemed to be unable to stay out of trouble. Funy how things come around full circle. thecomment
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1:54pm Wed 4 Aug 10

rad21 says...

localgirlownteeth wrote:
Jeeeez, will you just get on with it all ready?? What a load of p**s and wind.
Quite right, put up or shut up! Some of us are getting a bit fed up with all this hot air. Nothing in law is stopping you from doing these local patrols whether the local 'old bill' like it or not. At least then the locals can decide on whether they want these locals patrolling with baseball bats or whether they prefer the tihin blue line.
[quote][p][bold]localgirlownteeth[/bold] wrote: Jeeeez, will you just get on with it all ready?? What a load of p**s and wind.[/p][/quote]Quite right, put up or shut up! Some of us are getting a bit fed up with all this hot air. Nothing in law is stopping you from doing these local patrols whether the local 'old bill' like it or not. At least then the locals can decide on whether they want these locals patrolling with baseball bats or whether they prefer the tihin blue line. rad21
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2:19pm Wed 4 Aug 10

schadwick says...

Ladies of Portland,
who is the commissioner for police of this area - send a mass of e-mails to him, - who is his boss - send them a mass of like e-mails - right to the top
or is that too easy ? or do you not have computers on Portland nor think laterally? get your problem into the big world!
Ladies of Portland, who is the commissioner for police of this area - send a mass of e-mails to him, - who is his boss - send them a mass of like e-mails - right to the top or is that too easy ? or do you not have computers on Portland nor think laterally? get your problem into the big world! schadwick
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2:20pm Wed 4 Aug 10

GlassMan says...

some leopards to change thier spots ,, so give chas a chance ! , wasnt some of us a bit rouge in our younger days ? then that day happens when you quite simply " GROW UP ! " what chas and others from the island are doing is looking after our own , i will be offering my support and services to chas personaly if he needs it as i fully back why this is being done , to rid the streets of the ferel kids that think they are beyond the law ( the law thats ignoring them ) so lets give this a go , who knows , it could be a good thing
some leopards to change thier spots ,, so give chas a chance ! , wasnt some of us a bit rouge in our younger days ? then that day happens when you quite simply " GROW UP ! " what chas and others from the island are doing is looking after our own , i will be offering my support and services to chas personaly if he needs it as i fully back why this is being done , to rid the streets of the ferel kids that think they are beyond the law ( the law thats ignoring them ) so lets give this a go , who knows , it could be a good thing GlassMan
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3:11pm Wed 4 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

This is an outrageous abdication of responsibilioty by the police. It seems to me that Portlanders should be witholding their council tax until they get some proper assurances. Also, the Chief Constable should b charged with dreliction of duty. The Dorst Police website lists Acting Sgt Julia Bayley as the most senior officer in Portland so where the hell is she?

The police in Britain have literally gone to the dogs. I have my own experience of the Dorset Police failing to respond properly and then of a sergeant lying blatantly to avoid any consequences.I have more bad experiences of the Met Police than I can count.

In Britain today police officers commit violent, unprovoked assault on camera and get away with it. They kill innocent bystanders and are filmed doing it and then a corrupt judicial system protects them.

When the behaviour of the police plumbs these depths, when officers fail in their duty repeatedly, when ordinary, law-abiding citizens become so angry and frustrated that they are in danger of breaking teh alw themselves,well then we are on the edge of anarchy.

Chief Constable Martin Baker should be ashamed of himself.

When our elected police commissioner arrives then we must take revenge on those lazy and incompetentofficers who have let us down.
This is an outrageous abdication of responsibilioty by the police. It seems to me that Portlanders should be witholding their council tax until they get some proper assurances. Also, the Chief Constable should b charged with dreliction of duty. The Dorst Police website lists Acting Sgt Julia Bayley as the most senior officer in Portland so where the hell is she? The police in Britain have literally gone to the dogs. I have my own experience of the Dorset Police failing to respond properly and then of a sergeant lying blatantly to avoid any consequences.I have more bad experiences of the Met Police than I can count. In Britain today police officers commit violent, unprovoked assault on camera and get away with it. They kill innocent bystanders and are filmed doing it and then a corrupt judicial system protects them. When the behaviour of the police plumbs these depths, when officers fail in their duty repeatedly, when ordinary, law-abiding citizens become so angry and frustrated that they are in danger of breaking teh alw themselves,well then we are on the edge of anarchy. Chief Constable Martin Baker should be ashamed of himself. When our elected police commissioner arrives then we must take revenge on those lazy and incompetentofficers who have let us down. PoetPeter
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4:16pm Wed 4 Aug 10

Genghis says...

Well don't know if it's a show of force but at the moment there's two motorcycle cops, four squad cars (all blues and twos) thundering around Fortuneswell. The helicopter circling overhead as well.
Well don't know if it's a show of force but at the moment there's two motorcycle cops, four squad cars (all blues and twos) thundering around Fortuneswell. The helicopter circling overhead as well. Genghis
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4:37pm Wed 4 Aug 10

dorwey says...

"Miguel Rodriguez"...A good old fashioned Portland name....oh what fun.
"Miguel Rodriguez"...A good old fashioned Portland name....oh what fun. dorwey
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4:50pm Wed 4 Aug 10

rad21 says...

dorwey wrote:
"Miguel Rodriguez"...A good old fashioned Portland name....oh what fun.
The Spanish Armada lives on in Portland.
[quote][p][bold]dorwey[/bold] wrote: "Miguel Rodriguez"...A good old fashioned Portland name....oh what fun.[/p][/quote]The Spanish Armada lives on in Portland. rad21
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4:59pm Wed 4 Aug 10

JANEAUSTEN says...

Does this mean that if Chaz Charlton and his cronies take a dislike to someone they can beat him up regardless? I certainly wouldnt want to meet Mr Charlton on a dark night, or anytime come to that - and visit his pub? No way!
To me he looks like a complete thug.
Still, I'm told appearances can be deceptive.
Does this mean that if Chaz Charlton and his cronies take a dislike to someone they can beat him up regardless? I certainly wouldnt want to meet Mr Charlton on a dark night, or anytime come to that - and visit his pub? No way! To me he looks like a complete thug. Still, I'm told appearances can be deceptive. JANEAUSTEN
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5:54pm Wed 4 Aug 10

portlandresident says...

Looks like the new telephone number for police response is now the Clifton! Who's gonna be the first to call and report some problems in Easton? Not only do you get thugs responding to the incident, you also get a free pint when you call*. Come on guys, be serious. Like I said in my earlier post, you're not police officers, or even respectable role models, so give it up and let the police handle it - wherever they are. *Not guaranteed.
Looks like the new telephone number for police response is now the Clifton! Who's gonna be the first to call and report some problems in Easton? Not only do you get thugs responding to the incident, you also get a free pint when you call*. Come on guys, be serious. Like I said in my earlier post, you're not police officers, or even respectable role models, so give it up and let the police handle it - wherever they are. *Not guaranteed. portlandresident
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7:16pm Wed 4 Aug 10

Chalbury says...

Ever heard of the saying those in greenhouses should not throw stones? Ian Beckett , chairman of Portland PACT. Copy this link
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/919500.stm
Ever heard of the saying those in greenhouses should not throw stones? Ian Beckett , chairman of Portland PACT. Copy this link http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/919500.stm Chalbury
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7:36pm Wed 4 Aug 10

free wessex says...

Is this an example of Camerons Big Society?
Is this an example of Camerons Big Society? free wessex
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7:52pm Wed 4 Aug 10

Equilibrium says...

rad21 wrote:
localgirlownteeth wrote: Jeeeez, will you just get on with it all ready?? What a load of p**s and wind.
Quite right, put up or shut up! Some of us are getting a bit fed up with all this hot air. Nothing in law is stopping you from doing these local patrols whether the local 'old bill' like it or not. At least then the locals can decide on whether they want these locals patrolling with baseball bats or whether they prefer the tihin blue line.
A bunch of people (probably with criminal pasts themselves) running around with or without baseball bats is not the answer. Portland has hardly any trouble in reality, but some of it's inhabitants shout from the rooftops about how they will 'sort things out their own way' when something does happen, and then do nothing.


What you are proposing is having a gang walking around with no proper training or authority 'sorting' out trouble makers yourselves. You should know this would only end in tears, and if that is your line of thinking then it's no wonder you have these kids running around in gangs 'sorting' out people they decide they dont like is it?!
Carry weapons around and you are just as bad as the kids.
It's the parents you ought to be putting pressure on, as they are just as responsible as their children for their mindless actions. Moral values, empathy, repect and an honest days work - most important lessons in life that get taught at home by any responsible parent. Did they miss that part or were they too busy thinking about themselves to raise these feral kids properly?
[quote][p][bold]rad21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]localgirlownteeth[/bold] wrote: Jeeeez, will you just get on with it all ready?? What a load of p**s and wind.[/p][/quote]Quite right, put up or shut up! Some of us are getting a bit fed up with all this hot air. Nothing in law is stopping you from doing these local patrols whether the local 'old bill' like it or not. At least then the locals can decide on whether they want these locals patrolling with baseball bats or whether they prefer the tihin blue line.[/p][/quote]A bunch of people (probably with criminal pasts themselves) running around with or without baseball bats is not the answer. Portland has hardly any trouble in reality, but some of it's inhabitants shout from the rooftops about how they will 'sort things out their own way' when something does happen, and then do nothing. What you are proposing is having a gang walking around with no proper training or authority 'sorting' out trouble makers yourselves. You should know this would only end in tears, and if that is your line of thinking then it's no wonder you have these kids running around in gangs 'sorting' out people they decide they dont like is it?! Carry weapons around and you are just as bad as the kids. It's the parents you ought to be putting pressure on, as they are just as responsible as their children for their mindless actions. Moral values, empathy, repect and an honest days work - most important lessons in life that get taught at home by any responsible parent. Did they miss that part or were they too busy thinking about themselves to raise these feral kids properly? Equilibrium
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8:28pm Wed 4 Aug 10

JANEAUSTEN says...

Well said Equilibrium, if some of these boys had decent role models for fathers a lot of this trouble wouldnt arise in the first place.
Well said Equilibrium, if some of these boys had decent role models for fathers a lot of this trouble wouldnt arise in the first place. JANEAUSTEN
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8:32pm Wed 4 Aug 10

bizzylizzy says...

I don't think much of a couple of 'thug' lookalikes and their cronies deciding to impose law and order on Portland. What gives them the right to think that they are above the law?
Still, apparently no-one knows better than Chaz what young thugs can get up to. He probably wrote the book.
I don't think much of a couple of 'thug' lookalikes and their cronies deciding to impose law and order on Portland. What gives them the right to think that they are above the law? Still, apparently no-one knows better than Chaz what young thugs can get up to. He probably wrote the book. bizzylizzy
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9:46pm Wed 4 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

JANEAUSTEN wrote:
Well said Equilibrium, if some of these boys had decent role models for fathers a lot of this trouble wouldnt arise in the first place.
Well said both of you
[quote][p][bold]JANEAUSTEN[/bold] wrote: Well said Equilibrium, if some of these boys had decent role models for fathers a lot of this trouble wouldnt arise in the first place.[/p][/quote]Well said both of you PoetPeter
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10:35pm Wed 4 Aug 10

Micke12 says...

2 Questions to all Portlanders.

1. Do you pay your Council Tax every year?

2. Do you want unauthorised, untrained and perhaps unresponsible people patrolling your area with nothing stopping them beating the S*#t out of anyone they think is 'up to no good'?

If the answer to question 1 is YES and the answer to question 2 is NO, then why don't you all get off your backsides, take a trip to Winfrith and park your backsides right outside the office window of the Chief Constable, Mr Useless Idiot BAKER. The only time the pigs listen to people is when they park on the police doorstep. Make sure you take plenty of friendly LAWYERS with you so that the pigs don't try to stitch you up arresting you for violence when all that you were doing is peacefully protesting. Force the police to take notice and things can get done, but if you let Mr Charlton and his cronies go ahead with what they plan, it will be you mourning the loss of a son or other relative whose head has been splattered by Charlton and Co's Baseball Bats. It is your Island, you have the right to be policed properly and with the utmost diligence and professionalism, and if that is not happening, then you have the right to go and ask the police boss to do something about it. As I sit here right now writing this at 10.35 in the evening, I can here the police helicopter hovering around outside. Maybe they are out looking for Charlton and Co, unless of course they have decided to come and try their ideas in weymouth, in which case, God help them.
2 Questions to all Portlanders. 1. Do you pay your Council Tax every year? 2. Do you want unauthorised, untrained and perhaps unresponsible people patrolling your area with nothing stopping them beating the S*#t out of anyone they think is 'up to no good'? If the answer to question 1 is YES and the answer to question 2 is NO, then why don't you all get off your backsides, take a trip to Winfrith and park your backsides right outside the office window of the Chief Constable, Mr Useless Idiot BAKER. The only time the pigs listen to people is when they park on the police doorstep. Make sure you take plenty of friendly LAWYERS with you so that the pigs don't try to stitch you up arresting you for violence when all that you were doing is peacefully protesting. Force the police to take notice and things can get done, but if you let Mr Charlton and his cronies go ahead with what they plan, it will be you mourning the loss of a son or other relative whose head has been splattered by Charlton and Co's Baseball Bats. It is your Island, you have the right to be policed properly and with the utmost diligence and professionalism, and if that is not happening, then you have the right to go and ask the police boss to do something about it. As I sit here right now writing this at 10.35 in the evening, I can here the police helicopter hovering around outside. Maybe they are out looking for Charlton and Co, unless of course they have decided to come and try their ideas in weymouth, in which case, God help them. Micke12
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10:39pm Wed 4 Aug 10

high68 says...

lol . what a way for a town councillor to act ... ha ha ha ha

I'm sure any 'naughty' boys will be well on the wind up now
lol . what a way for a town councillor to act ... ha ha ha ha I'm sure any 'naughty' boys will be well on the wind up now high68
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10:58pm Wed 4 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

Micke12 wrote:
2 Questions to all Portlanders.

1. Do you pay your Council Tax every year?

2. Do you want unauthorised, untrained and perhaps unresponsible people patrolling your area with nothing stopping them beating the S*#t out of anyone they think is 'up to no good'?

If the answer to question 1 is YES and the answer to question 2 is NO, then why don't you all get off your backsides, take a trip to Winfrith and park your backsides right outside the office window of the Chief Constable, Mr Useless Idiot BAKER. The only time the pigs listen to people is when they park on the police doorstep. Make sure you take plenty of friendly LAWYERS with you so that the pigs don't try to stitch you up arresting you for violence when all that you were doing is peacefully protesting. Force the police to take notice and things can get done, but if you let Mr Charlton and his cronies go ahead with what they plan, it will be you mourning the loss of a son or other relative whose head has been splattered by Charlton and Co's Baseball Bats. It is your Island, you have the right to be policed properly and with the utmost diligence and professionalism, and if that is not happening, then you have the right to go and ask the police boss to do something about it. As I sit here right now writing this at 10.35 in the evening, I can here the police helicopter hovering around outside. Maybe they are out looking for Charlton and Co, unless of course they have decided to come and try their ideas in weymouth, in which case, God help them.
I agree with you. Dorset Police need to be called to account. Vigilantism will play into the hands of an overpaid, lazy, incompetent police force.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: 2 Questions to all Portlanders. 1. Do you pay your Council Tax every year? 2. Do you want unauthorised, untrained and perhaps unresponsible people patrolling your area with nothing stopping them beating the S*#t out of anyone they think is 'up to no good'? If the answer to question 1 is YES and the answer to question 2 is NO, then why don't you all get off your backsides, take a trip to Winfrith and park your backsides right outside the office window of the Chief Constable, Mr Useless Idiot BAKER. The only time the pigs listen to people is when they park on the police doorstep. Make sure you take plenty of friendly LAWYERS with you so that the pigs don't try to stitch you up arresting you for violence when all that you were doing is peacefully protesting. Force the police to take notice and things can get done, but if you let Mr Charlton and his cronies go ahead with what they plan, it will be you mourning the loss of a son or other relative whose head has been splattered by Charlton and Co's Baseball Bats. It is your Island, you have the right to be policed properly and with the utmost diligence and professionalism, and if that is not happening, then you have the right to go and ask the police boss to do something about it. As I sit here right now writing this at 10.35 in the evening, I can here the police helicopter hovering around outside. Maybe they are out looking for Charlton and Co, unless of course they have decided to come and try their ideas in weymouth, in which case, God help them.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Dorset Police need to be called to account. Vigilantism will play into the hands of an overpaid, lazy, incompetent police force. PoetPeter
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8:24am Thu 5 Aug 10

Wykeite says...

This proposed scheme that is to be run by the residents of Portland is to be run in a similar way the PubWatch and ShopWatch are. I cannot recall walking into either a pub nor a shop and being greeted by security staff wielding a baseball bat, so I do not understand where this line of thought has sprouted from. If this group is going to act in accordance with the law and be extra eyes and ears for the police and also have the guts to point out the troublemakers in a court of law, then this can only be a good thing for the residents of Portland?
This proposed scheme that is to be run by the residents of Portland is to be run in a similar way the PubWatch and ShopWatch are. I cannot recall walking into either a pub nor a shop and being greeted by security staff wielding a baseball bat, so I do not understand where this line of thought has sprouted from. If this group is going to act in accordance with the law and be extra eyes and ears for the police and also have the guts to point out the troublemakers in a court of law, then this can only be a good thing for the residents of Portland? Wykeite
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8:49am Thu 5 Aug 10

Doughbun1958 says...

OK OK enuff is enuff. I attended the meetings at the Clifton and although I think thePolice let the Isle down I do not condone the us of violence to curb violence. Where has all this talk of Baseball Batted vigilantes come from? What makes the rest of Dorset think that all those who attended these meetings are CRIMINALS?, Cronies/Friends of 'Chas'. As I understand it the Clifton is one of the most popular places for a Drink on the Isle and so it makes sense to hold the meetings there. I fully Support Chas in his efforts to 'clean up Portland' but I will not be part of any violent using group to do it.One or two other things spring to mind here, How would you feel if it was in your community? Also how would you deal or propose we deal with these thugs. One thing you are all forgeting is There but for the grace of God go you ! ! ! !
OK OK enuff is enuff. I attended the meetings at the Clifton and although I think thePolice let the Isle down I do not condone the us of violence to curb violence. Where has all this talk of Baseball Batted vigilantes come from? What makes the rest of Dorset think that all those who attended these meetings are CRIMINALS?, Cronies/Friends of 'Chas'. As I understand it the Clifton is one of the most popular places for a Drink on the Isle and so it makes sense to hold the meetings there. I fully Support Chas in his efforts to 'clean up Portland' but I will not be part of any violent using group to do it.One or two other things spring to mind here, How would you feel if it was in your community? Also how would you deal or propose we deal with these thugs. One thing you are all forgeting is There but for the grace of God go you ! ! ! ! Doughbun1958
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9:20am Thu 5 Aug 10

weymouth2010 says...

whay a great idea........(!)
whay a great idea........(!) weymouth2010
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9:23am Thu 5 Aug 10

dorwey says...

Shopwatch, pubwatch, dress it up how you like, this group would have no legal right to apprehend or even talk to anybody that doesn't want to talk to them, the moment they stop anybody that would be an offence.

I said, when this action was first muted, that if they were really serious, advertising it to the public was a really dumb thing to do, I just think it is a group of wannabe hardmen trying to recapture their youth (and failing).

IF they are serious, have they considered the effects any such action they take could have on their family and friends? If you start a war, then you have to face the consequences.
Shopwatch, pubwatch, dress it up how you like, this group would have no legal right to apprehend or even talk to anybody that doesn't want to talk to them, the moment they stop anybody that would be an offence. I said, when this action was first muted, that if they were really serious, advertising it to the public was a really dumb thing to do, I just think it is a group of wannabe hardmen trying to recapture their youth (and failing). IF they are serious, have they considered the effects any such action they take could have on their family and friends? If you start a war, then you have to face the consequences. dorwey
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9:32am Thu 5 Aug 10

Doughbun1958 says...

Extract from above post by dorwey:

Shopwatch, pubwatch, dress it up how you like, this group would have no legal right to apprehend or even talk to anybody that doesn't want to talk to them, the moment they stop anybody that would be an offence.



In England and Wales, any member of the public has the power to make an arrest (under Section 24A of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005). In reality, collaring someone bang to rights isn't always going to persuade a criminal to come quietly, but you are still entitled to give it a go under the following circumstances:

* If you witness an indictable offence taking place - you witness someone in the act of breaking certain laws, you are entitled to intervene.
* If you know someone is guilty of an indictable offence - your housemate admits that he buried the landlord under the patio. He has a wild look in his eye, and there's blood all over his hands. Nick him.

The important word his is 'indictable'. It means an offence that is, or could be, tried in a crown court. Somehow I don't think your quite right dorwey , but nice try anyway
Extract from above post by dorwey: Shopwatch, pubwatch, dress it up how you like, this group would have no legal right to apprehend or even talk to anybody that doesn't want to talk to them, the moment they stop anybody that would be an offence. In England and Wales, any member of the public has the power to make an arrest (under Section 24A of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005). In reality, collaring someone bang to rights isn't always going to persuade a criminal to come quietly, but you are still entitled to give it a go under the following circumstances: * If you witness an indictable offence taking place - you witness someone in the act of breaking certain laws, you are entitled to intervene. * If you know someone is guilty of an indictable offence - your housemate admits that he buried the landlord under the patio. He has a wild look in his eye, and there's blood all over his hands. Nick him. The important word his is 'indictable'. It means an offence that is, or could be, tried in a crown court. Somehow I don't think your quite right dorwey , but nice try anyway Doughbun1958
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9:43am Thu 5 Aug 10

portlandboy says...

You may snigger but it worked for the Krays! Their "patch" was always a safe place for the general public.
You may snigger but it worked for the Krays! Their "patch" was always a safe place for the general public. portlandboy
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10:49am Thu 5 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

Doughbun1958 wrote:
Extract from above post by dorwey:

Shopwatch, pubwatch, dress it up how you like, this group would have no legal right to apprehend or even talk to anybody that doesn't want to talk to them, the moment they stop anybody that would be an offence.



In England and Wales, any member of the public has the power to make an arrest (under Section 24A of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005). In reality, collaring someone bang to rights isn't always going to persuade a criminal to come quietly, but you are still entitled to give it a go under the following circumstances:

* If you witness an indictable offence taking place - you witness someone in the act of breaking certain laws, you are entitled to intervene.
* If you know someone is guilty of an indictable offence - your housemate admits that he buried the landlord under the patio. He has a wild look in his eye, and there's blood all over his hands. Nick him.

The important word his is 'indictable'. It means an offence that is, or could be, tried in a crown court. Somehow I don't think your quite right dorwey , but nice try anyway
What made you suddenly get sensible? Earlier on you couldn't stay away from the disgusting incest jokes. Good on you!
[quote][p][bold]Doughbun1958[/bold] wrote: Extract from above post by dorwey: Shopwatch, pubwatch, dress it up how you like, this group would have no legal right to apprehend or even talk to anybody that doesn't want to talk to them, the moment they stop anybody that would be an offence. In England and Wales, any member of the public has the power to make an arrest (under Section 24A of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005). In reality, collaring someone bang to rights isn't always going to persuade a criminal to come quietly, but you are still entitled to give it a go under the following circumstances: * If you witness an indictable offence taking place - you witness someone in the act of breaking certain laws, you are entitled to intervene. * If you know someone is guilty of an indictable offence - your housemate admits that he buried the landlord under the patio. He has a wild look in his eye, and there's blood all over his hands. Nick him. The important word his is 'indictable'. It means an offence that is, or could be, tried in a crown court. Somehow I don't think your quite right dorwey , but nice try anyway[/p][/quote]What made you suddenly get sensible? Earlier on you couldn't stay away from the disgusting incest jokes. Good on you! PoetPeter
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11:11am Thu 5 Aug 10

One step forward two steps back says...

I was born and grew up in South Africa (yes a kimberlin!), supposedly the most violent country in the world. The police delt with all criminals swiftly and robustly. Their job was to get offenders to court where a judge or magistrate would decide whether he/she was guilty. The problem here is the police behave as if they are judge , jury and executioner, deciding for themselves who they arrest etc. If they (the police) adopted a zero tolerance approach towards all criminal activity and simply secured an offenders appearance in court ,and not handing out warnings or slappings of the wrist, it would send a clear message to those considering a career in crime or anti-social behaviour.
Fear breeds contempt and Portland's problems will continue so long as people feel that they are not safe. A visible police presence will go some way towards allieviating some fears, reducing the contempt and people will feel safer. Please Dorset Police...its is time to be pro-active rather than simply re-active! The old saying 'prevention is better than cure' certainly applies here!
I was born and grew up in South Africa (yes a kimberlin!), supposedly the most violent country in the world. The police delt with all criminals swiftly and robustly. Their job was to get offenders to court where a judge or magistrate would decide whether he/she was guilty. The problem here is the police behave as if they are judge , jury and executioner, deciding for themselves who they arrest etc. If they (the police) adopted a zero tolerance approach towards all criminal activity and simply secured an offenders appearance in court ,and not handing out warnings or slappings of the wrist, it would send a clear message to those considering a career in crime or anti-social behaviour. Fear breeds contempt and Portland's problems will continue so long as people feel that they are not safe. A visible police presence will go some way towards allieviating some fears, reducing the contempt and people will feel safer. Please Dorset Police...its is time to be pro-active rather than simply re-active! The old saying 'prevention is better than cure' certainly applies here! One step forward two steps back
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11:35am Thu 5 Aug 10

seahear says...

portlandboy wrote:
You may snigger but it worked for the Krays! Their "patch" was always a safe place for the general public.
Good grief...

so we want people who don't beat up their friends but beat up everyone else who gets in their (self-serving)way?

The Krays were evil men (torture, murder, armed robbery - to name but a few). That's a fact.

Portland isn't going to be helped by matching evil with evil.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: You may snigger but it worked for the Krays! Their "patch" was always a safe place for the general public.[/p][/quote]Good grief... so we want people who don't beat up their friends but beat up everyone else who gets in their (self-serving)way? The Krays were evil men (torture, murder, armed robbery - to name but a few). That's a fact. Portland isn't going to be helped by matching evil with evil. seahear
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12:06pm Thu 5 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

seahear wrote:
portlandboy wrote:
You may snigger but it worked for the Krays! Their "patch" was always a safe place for the general public.
Good grief...

so we want people who don't beat up their friends but beat up everyone else who gets in their (self-serving)way?

The Krays were evil men (torture, murder, armed robbery - to name but a few). That's a fact.

Portland isn't going to be helped by matching evil with evil.
Quite right. The only solution is for the police to live up to their responsibilities. I saw them yesterday, all jack-the-lads, four fancy BMW SUVs and a bike speeding away from the island in convoy. When arethey going to start doing the job they are paid for? How about swopping the sports cars for some bikes and bit of shanks' pony?
[quote][p][bold]seahear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: You may snigger but it worked for the Krays! Their "patch" was always a safe place for the general public.[/p][/quote]Good grief... so we want people who don't beat up their friends but beat up everyone else who gets in their (self-serving)way? The Krays were evil men (torture, murder, armed robbery - to name but a few). That's a fact. Portland isn't going to be helped by matching evil with evil.[/p][/quote]Quite right. The only solution is for the police to live up to their responsibilities. I saw them yesterday, all jack-the-lads, four fancy BMW SUVs and a bike speeding away from the island in convoy. When arethey going to start doing the job they are paid for? How about swopping the sports cars for some bikes and bit of shanks' pony? PoetPeter
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12:12pm Thu 5 Aug 10

Micke12 says...

Wykeite wrote:
This proposed scheme that is to be run by the residents of Portland is to be run in a similar way the PubWatch and ShopWatch are. I cannot recall walking into either a pub nor a shop and being greeted by security staff wielding a baseball bat, so I do not understand where this line of thought has sprouted from. If this group is going to act in accordance with the law and be extra eyes and ears for the police and also have the guts to point out the troublemakers in a court of law, then this can only be a good thing for the residents of Portland?
May i remind you that this will be on the streets, not in the clubs and pubs where there are cameras watching your every move.
[quote][p][bold]Wykeite[/bold] wrote: This proposed scheme that is to be run by the residents of Portland is to be run in a similar way the PubWatch and ShopWatch are. I cannot recall walking into either a pub nor a shop and being greeted by security staff wielding a baseball bat, so I do not understand where this line of thought has sprouted from. If this group is going to act in accordance with the law and be extra eyes and ears for the police and also have the guts to point out the troublemakers in a court of law, then this can only be a good thing for the residents of Portland?[/p][/quote]May i remind you that this will be on the streets, not in the clubs and pubs where there are cameras watching your every move. Micke12
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12:13pm Thu 5 Aug 10

ballstoit says...

Wow. This must be the longest running and most effective advertising campaign for a local pub I've ever seen!
I'm sure the 'mob' will need snacks and drinks to sustain them.
Congrats to Mr Charlton on turning business around.
Wow. This must be the longest running and most effective advertising campaign for a local pub I've ever seen! I'm sure the 'mob' will need snacks and drinks to sustain them. Congrats to Mr Charlton on turning business around. ballstoit
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12:54pm Thu 5 Aug 10

Sylvia2 says...

I am sick and tired of reading how the people of Portland slag off the Police for their problems. These rampant youths are the product of bad parenting and now these same parents expect the police to sort out their kids. Get a grip. Bring up your children properly and then perhaps we can all sleep safely. Too many people today expect Police to sort out their lives and problems. Take some responsibilty. These kids were not born bad!!!! Why blame the polie for the problems you have created? Why o why always expect someone else to pick the pieces.
I am sick and tired of reading how the people of Portland slag off the Police for their problems. These rampant youths are the product of bad parenting and now these same parents expect the police to sort out their kids. Get a grip. Bring up your children properly and then perhaps we can all sleep safely. Too many people today expect Police to sort out their lives and problems. Take some responsibilty. These kids were not born bad!!!! Why blame the polie for the problems you have created? Why o why always expect someone else to pick the pieces. Sylvia2
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1:33pm Thu 5 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

Sylvia2 wrote:
I am sick and tired of reading how the people of Portland slag off the Police for their problems. These rampant youths are the product of bad parenting and now these same parents expect the police to sort out their kids. Get a grip. Bring up your children properly and then perhaps we can all sleep safely. Too many people today expect Police to sort out their lives and problems. Take some responsibilty. These kids were not born bad!!!! Why blame the polie for the problems you have created? Why o why always expect someone else to pick the pieces.
From my understanding of what's going on I think that's very unfair. I agree with you that poor parenting is at the root of the "anti-social behaviour" problem but the issue here is that the police have abandoned Portland. Everyone is entitled to the protection of the police whatever the cause of the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Sylvia2[/bold] wrote: I am sick and tired of reading how the people of Portland slag off the Police for their problems. These rampant youths are the product of bad parenting and now these same parents expect the police to sort out their kids. Get a grip. Bring up your children properly and then perhaps we can all sleep safely. Too many people today expect Police to sort out their lives and problems. Take some responsibilty. These kids were not born bad!!!! Why blame the polie for the problems you have created? Why o why always expect someone else to pick the pieces.[/p][/quote]From my understanding of what's going on I think that's very unfair. I agree with you that poor parenting is at the root of the "anti-social behaviour" problem but the issue here is that the police have abandoned Portland. Everyone is entitled to the protection of the police whatever the cause of the problem. PoetPeter
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1:43pm Thu 5 Aug 10

radiator says...

Just read on page 3 of echo that 5 yes 5 police vehicles and a helicopter to take a prisoner to hospital to get a minor injury sorted, is this taking the p*** or what when there is no police available when they are REALLY needed
Just read on page 3 of echo that 5 yes 5 police vehicles and a helicopter to take a prisoner to hospital to get a minor injury sorted, is this taking the p*** or what when there is no police available when they are REALLY needed radiator
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1:52pm Thu 5 Aug 10

portlandboy says...

portlandresident wrote:
Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!!
Sorry, my message was in reply to the above quote.
The only people the Kray's were "evil" towards were those who were evil too and overstepped the line. My grandfather was a prison officer and had one of them in his charge. He always said that the day they were imprisoned was the day London became a dangerous place to walk at night
[quote][p][bold]portlandresident[/bold] wrote: Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!![/p][/quote]Sorry, my message was in reply to the above quote. The only people the Kray's were "evil" towards were those who were evil too and overstepped the line. My grandfather was a prison officer and had one of them in his charge. He always said that the day they were imprisoned was the day London became a dangerous place to walk at night portlandboy
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2:49pm Thu 5 Aug 10

karenc says...

Sorry to disappoint all you people who thought the police cars/bikes and helicopter were for your safety, but it looks like it was for an escort for a prisoner who had a slight hand injury!!!!! That just about says it all. I can quite understand why some might want to start protecting themselves, there seems to be too much emphasis on criminals' rights and no help for law abiding citizens. The 'no excuse' headline is just that - an excuse to lay in wait to give speeding tickets etc to boost the figures, and not enough pro-active policing for desperate & often frightened residents of not just Portland, but many areas of Weymouth too.
Sorry to disappoint all you people who thought the police cars/bikes and helicopter were for your safety, but it looks like it was for an escort for a prisoner who had a slight hand injury!!!!! That just about says it all. I can quite understand why some might want to start protecting themselves, there seems to be too much emphasis on criminals' rights and no help for law abiding citizens. The 'no excuse' headline is just that - an excuse to lay in wait to give speeding tickets etc to boost the figures, and not enough pro-active policing for desperate & often frightened residents of not just Portland, but many areas of Weymouth too. karenc
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4:27pm Thu 5 Aug 10

maximan says...

Sylvia2 wrote:
I am sick and tired of reading how the people of Portland slag off the Police for their problems. These rampant youths are the product of bad parenting and now these same parents expect the police to sort out their kids. Get a grip. Bring up your children properly and then perhaps we can all sleep safely. Too many people today expect Police to sort out their lives and problems. Take some responsibilty. These kids were not born bad!!!! Why blame the polie for the problems you have created? Why o why always expect someone else to pick the pieces.
And you are of course 100% sure regarding this. As I have known kids that have come form really good backgrounds and had really decent parents that have still managed to fall off the rails. So let's take the holier than thou "Behavourism" handbook and tear it up.
[quote][p][bold]Sylvia2[/bold] wrote: I am sick and tired of reading how the people of Portland slag off the Police for their problems. These rampant youths are the product of bad parenting and now these same parents expect the police to sort out their kids. Get a grip. Bring up your children properly and then perhaps we can all sleep safely. Too many people today expect Police to sort out their lives and problems. Take some responsibilty. These kids were not born bad!!!! Why blame the polie for the problems you have created? Why o why always expect someone else to pick the pieces.[/p][/quote]And you are of course 100% sure regarding this. As I have known kids that have come form really good backgrounds and had really decent parents that have still managed to fall off the rails. So let's take the holier than thou "Behavourism" handbook and tear it up. maximan
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4:31pm Thu 5 Aug 10

Sylvia2 says...

I have drafted a request for the council's consideration, something which a large number of Weymouth residents have been discussing for some time, that is to remove a large section of Chesil Beach therefore preventing any Portlanders from leaving the Island.

Whether it will solve the issue of gang violence on Portland I'm not so sure but it sure would solve all of Weymouth's problems!!!
I have drafted a request for the council's consideration, something which a large number of Weymouth residents have been discussing for some time, that is to remove a large section of Chesil Beach therefore preventing any Portlanders from leaving the Island. Whether it will solve the issue of gang violence on Portland I'm not so sure but it sure would solve all of Weymouth's problems!!! Sylvia2
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4:36pm Thu 5 Aug 10

Sylvia2 says...

Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with.
Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with. Sylvia2
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4:55pm Thu 5 Aug 10

dorwey says...

You need to live in the real world, so you think that these vigilantes want to do everything by the law? If they did they wouldn't even be discussing this.
And if someone, as you rightly point out is legally caught in the act of breaking the law, you cannot forcibly restrain them, if for example the alleged offender had sworn at you, what would you regard as reasonable force to restrain them?

If you are talking about a more serious offence, then surely it is a matter for the police, not to someone who has been likened to the Krays on here!
You need to live in the real world, so you think that these vigilantes want to do everything by the law? If they did they wouldn't even be discussing this. And if someone, as you rightly point out is legally caught in the act of breaking the law, you cannot forcibly restrain them, if for example the alleged offender had sworn at you, what would you regard as reasonable force to restrain them? If you are talking about a more serious offence, then surely it is a matter for the police, not to someone who has been likened to the Krays on here! dorwey
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5:47pm Thu 5 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

Sylvia2 wrote:
Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with.
No Sylvia, the police force/service throughout this country is in sharp decline and has been for some years.

Of course, we honour and respect the officer shot by Raoul Moat. Generally though, if you want to talk about heroes, talk about our soldiers who go to fight in Afghanistan on about half the pay that police officers get.

Of course there are good police officers but there are now far too many who are lazy, incompetent, overpaid, truculent bullies. The canteen culture of the police is disgraceful. If you don't believe me, google "Inspector Gadget". This is a police website that reveals the truth about the way police officers think. It shows police officers behaving towards victims and complainants in exactly the same way as those nutters praised Raoul Moat on his Facebook page.

You're either being naive or you've got an axe to grind. Are you in the police or is a relative?

The police are letting Portland down. It's a scandal and Chief Constable Martin Bakershould be ashamed of himself.
[quote][p][bold]Sylvia2[/bold] wrote: Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with.[/p][/quote]No Sylvia, the police force/service throughout this country is in sharp decline and has been for some years. Of course, we honour and respect the officer shot by Raoul Moat. Generally though, if you want to talk about heroes, talk about our soldiers who go to fight in Afghanistan on about half the pay that police officers get. Of course there are good police officers but there are now far too many who are lazy, incompetent, overpaid, truculent bullies. The canteen culture of the police is disgraceful. If you don't believe me, google "Inspector Gadget". This is a police website that reveals the truth about the way police officers think. It shows police officers behaving towards victims and complainants in exactly the same way as those nutters praised Raoul Moat on his Facebook page. You're either being naive or you've got an axe to grind. Are you in the police or is a relative? The police are letting Portland down. It's a scandal and Chief Constable Martin Bakershould be ashamed of himself. PoetPeter
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7:16pm Thu 5 Aug 10

octina27 says...

Has any thought about getting the local youth service involved, I've witnessed 1st hand the improvements they can have on the young people also petition the police to put In dispersal orders like did in westham and Weymouth town centre I wittnessed it working in both those areas, I don't think more violence or even off the cuff suggestions of violence from locals will do any thing but make the yp in question react worse , ie graffitti ect...
Has any thought about getting the local youth service involved, I've witnessed 1st hand the improvements they can have on the young people also petition the police to put In dispersal orders like did in westham and Weymouth town centre I wittnessed it working in both those areas, I don't think more violence or even off the cuff suggestions of violence from locals will do any thing but make the yp in question react worse , ie graffitti ect... octina27
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9:17pm Thu 5 Aug 10

banknote says...

Sylvia2 wrote:
I have drafted a request for the council's consideration, something which a large number of Weymouth residents have been discussing for some time, that is to remove a large section of Chesil Beach therefore preventing any Portlanders from leaving the Island. Whether it will solve the issue of gang violence on Portland I'm not so sure but it sure would solve all of Weymouth's problems!!!
What a totally stupid and negative comment.
The vast majority of Portland residents are decent people and you insult them with silly and unviable comments.
Please lets be positive in our approach to Portland's, and Weymouth's problems.
[quote][p][bold]Sylvia2[/bold] wrote: I have drafted a request for the council's consideration, something which a large number of Weymouth residents have been discussing for some time, that is to remove a large section of Chesil Beach therefore preventing any Portlanders from leaving the Island. Whether it will solve the issue of gang violence on Portland I'm not so sure but it sure would solve all of Weymouth's problems!!![/p][/quote]What a totally stupid and negative comment. The vast majority of Portland residents are decent people and you insult them with silly and unviable comments. Please lets be positive in our approach to Portland's, and Weymouth's problems. banknote
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10:21pm Thu 5 Aug 10

spangler says...

portlandboy wrote:
portlandresident wrote:
Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!!
Sorry, my message was in reply to the above quote.
The only people the Kray's were "evil" towards were those who were evil too and overstepped the line. My grandfather was a prison officer and had one of them in his charge. He always said that the day they were imprisoned was the day London became a dangerous place to walk at night
People said the same thing about the Piranha brothers.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portlandresident[/bold] wrote: Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!![/p][/quote]Sorry, my message was in reply to the above quote. The only people the Kray's were "evil" towards were those who were evil too and overstepped the line. My grandfather was a prison officer and had one of them in his charge. He always said that the day they were imprisoned was the day London became a dangerous place to walk at night[/p][/quote]People said the same thing about the Piranha brothers. spangler
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5:51am Fri 6 Aug 10

Genghis says...

The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far.
The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far. Genghis
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7:43am Fri 6 Aug 10

thedrisin says...

afftar havin trawled froo awl ov yur comints cunsernin dis ishoo, I isint surrpised dat ewe awl haz sutch a problim wiv fugs and wotnot on da rok, cuz no won can stringe a ruddie centense toogevva.
PIECE
afftar havin trawled froo awl ov yur comints cunsernin dis ishoo, I isint surrpised dat ewe awl haz sutch a problim wiv fugs and wotnot on da rok, cuz no won can stringe a ruddie centense toogevva. PIECE thedrisin
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8:41am Fri 6 Aug 10

FitterC says...

I can't say I blame the police for distancing themselves from this matter.

Vigilante groups are a bad idea... And how can one have any confidence in one who calls himself "Chaz" and who looks like a yob himself?

Having one rabble attempting to "police" another will end in tears.
I can't say I blame the police for distancing themselves from this matter. Vigilante groups are a bad idea... And how can one have any confidence in one who calls himself "Chaz" and who looks like a yob himself? Having one rabble attempting to "police" another will end in tears. FitterC
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10:03am Fri 6 Aug 10

portlandboy says...

Genghis wrote:
The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far.
Doesn't the element of the council tax that is used to fund Dorset Police count as a "protection payment"? At least the Krays provided the service once they received the money!!
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far.[/p][/quote]Doesn't the element of the council tax that is used to fund Dorset Police count as a "protection payment"? At least the Krays provided the service once they received the money!! portlandboy
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10:40am Fri 6 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

FitterC wrote:
I can't say I blame the police for distancing themselves from this matter.

Vigilante groups are a bad idea... And how can one have any confidence in one who calls himself "Chaz" and who looks like a yob himself?

Having one rabble attempting to "police" another will end in tears.
What? The police should "distance" themselves? So you support them hiding away and failing to fulfill their responsibility? Of course vigilantism is a bad idea but so is having a lazy, useless and absent police force!
[quote][p][bold]FitterC[/bold] wrote: I can't say I blame the police for distancing themselves from this matter. Vigilante groups are a bad idea... And how can one have any confidence in one who calls himself "Chaz" and who looks like a yob himself? Having one rabble attempting to "police" another will end in tears.[/p][/quote]What? The police should "distance" themselves? So you support them hiding away and failing to fulfill their responsibility? Of course vigilantism is a bad idea but so is having a lazy, useless and absent police force! PoetPeter
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11:33am Fri 6 Aug 10

maximan says...

Sylvia2 wrote:
Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with.
Your previous statement quite clearly states that these children are the PRODUCTS of bad parenting - I for one would like to know where you get the expertise to draw up this thesis.
[quote][p][bold]Sylvia2[/bold] wrote: Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with.[/p][/quote]Your previous statement quite clearly states that these children are the PRODUCTS of bad parenting - I for one would like to know where you get the expertise to draw up this thesis. maximan
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11:41am Fri 6 Aug 10

dorwey says...

Genghis wrote:
The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far.
Spot on. The only thing that was good about living in the same area as the Krays is that it was safe for women and children to walk the streets, God help you if you so much as looked at a women or child in the wrong way, the twins henchmen would deal out swift, severe punishment. But the Krays were murdering vicious thugs, and most Londoners were glad to see the back of them.
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far.[/p][/quote]Spot on. The only thing that was good about living in the same area as the Krays is that it was safe for women and children to walk the streets, God help you if you so much as looked at a women or child in the wrong way, the twins henchmen would deal out swift, severe punishment. But the Krays were murdering vicious thugs, and most Londoners were glad to see the back of them. dorwey
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11:47am Fri 6 Aug 10

RobinofLocksley says...

On the BBC local news for the London area last night there was a feature on self-appointed anti-crime patrol that someone has started in East London. When interviewed,the man was understandably non-specific about what action he and his colleagues would take with any offenders he came across, but he clearly felt he had to do something about the petty crime in his comunity. Interestingly, every local person interviewed about this was in favour, as was the local council. They see it as fitting in somehow with Camerons 'vision' of communities doing more themselves rather than leave everything to local and central government. Also, the organiser of this scheme (an ex-gang member, incidentally) had a very smart suit on. Chas, take note.
On the BBC local news for the London area last night there was a feature on self-appointed anti-crime patrol that someone has started in East London. When interviewed,the man was understandably non-specific about what action he and his colleagues would take with any offenders he came across, but he clearly felt he had to do something about the petty crime in his comunity. Interestingly, every local person interviewed about this was in favour, as was the local council. They see it as fitting in somehow with Camerons 'vision' of communities doing more themselves rather than leave everything to local and central government. Also, the organiser of this scheme (an ex-gang member, incidentally) had a very smart suit on. Chas, take note. RobinofLocksley
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11:56am Fri 6 Aug 10

handel says...

dosen't bode well for the olympics,sending innocents to portland, it's like sending christians to the lions, only this time its to in-bred barbarians
dosen't bode well for the olympics,sending innocents to portland, it's like sending christians to the lions, only this time its to in-bred barbarians handel
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12:03pm Fri 6 Aug 10

Equilibrium says...

PoetPeter wrote:
FitterC wrote: I can't say I blame the police for distancing themselves from this matter. Vigilante groups are a bad idea... And how can one have any confidence in one who calls himself "Chaz" and who looks like a yob himself? Having one rabble attempting to "police" another will end in tears.
What? The police should "distance" themselves? So you support them hiding away and failing to fulfill their responsibility? Of course vigilantism is a bad idea but so is having a lazy, useless and absent police force!
Poet you are painting all officers with the same brush here. Most Police Officers work bloody hard and are run off their feet all day. It is not the average copper on the steet's fault that Portland is under policed. This is a lack of staff and funding.
All named or identified offenders get dealt with, but what happens when the cps or courts get hold of them is a different matter.
[quote][p][bold]PoetPeter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitterC[/bold] wrote: I can't say I blame the police for distancing themselves from this matter. Vigilante groups are a bad idea... And how can one have any confidence in one who calls himself "Chaz" and who looks like a yob himself? Having one rabble attempting to "police" another will end in tears.[/p][/quote]What? The police should "distance" themselves? So you support them hiding away and failing to fulfill their responsibility? Of course vigilantism is a bad idea but so is having a lazy, useless and absent police force![/p][/quote]Poet you are painting all officers with the same brush here. Most Police Officers work bloody hard and are run off their feet all day. It is not the average copper on the steet's fault that Portland is under policed. This is a lack of staff and funding. All named or identified offenders get dealt with, but what happens when the cps or courts get hold of them is a different matter. Equilibrium
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3:34pm Fri 6 Aug 10

Eggy bread says...

Oh dear, by the time this lot have finished sorting out the yobs they are barely better than, then Portland will resemble some sort of wild west ghost town. Perhaps Mel Brooks may like to feature it in his next film.....Blazing Rockapes!!!
Oh dear, by the time this lot have finished sorting out the yobs they are barely better than, then Portland will resemble some sort of wild west ghost town. Perhaps Mel Brooks may like to feature it in his next film.....Blazing Rockapes!!! Eggy bread
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3:35pm Fri 6 Aug 10

Eggy bread says...

or even Planet of the Rockapes!!
or even Planet of the Rockapes!! Eggy bread
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4:47pm Fri 6 Aug 10

mark@greenhill says...

Eggy bread wrote:
Oh dear, by the time this lot have finished sorting out the yobs they are barely better than, then Portland will resemble some sort of wild west ghost town. Perhaps Mel Brooks may like to feature it in his next film.....Blazing Rockapes!!!
Will resemble ???
[quote][p][bold]Eggy bread[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, by the time this lot have finished sorting out the yobs they are barely better than, then Portland will resemble some sort of wild west ghost town. Perhaps Mel Brooks may like to feature it in his next film.....Blazing Rockapes!!![/p][/quote]Will resemble ??? mark@greenhill
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6:11pm Fri 6 Aug 10

RobinofLocksley says...

Eggy bread wrote:
Oh dear, by the time this lot have finished sorting out the yobs they are barely better than, then Portland will resemble some sort of wild west ghost town. Perhaps Mel Brooks may like to feature it in his next film.....Blazing Rockapes!!!
I can see it now....scheming Hedy Lamarr (that's Hedley, sorry) appoints a giant rabbit as the new sherriff of Portland. As the rabbit rides across the causeway, a mad old islander spies it through his telescope. He turns to the waiting crowd and shouts "It's a...." and then realises he daren't say the name.
A comedy moment!
(If you don't have a clue what I'm on about you can't have seen the film)
[quote][p][bold]Eggy bread[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, by the time this lot have finished sorting out the yobs they are barely better than, then Portland will resemble some sort of wild west ghost town. Perhaps Mel Brooks may like to feature it in his next film.....Blazing Rockapes!!![/p][/quote]I can see it now....scheming Hedy Lamarr (that's Hedley, sorry) appoints a giant rabbit as the new sherriff of Portland. As the rabbit rides across the causeway, a mad old islander spies it through his telescope. He turns to the waiting crowd and shouts "It's a...." and then realises he daren't say the name. A comedy moment! (If you don't have a clue what I'm on about you can't have seen the film) RobinofLocksley
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8:49pm Fri 6 Aug 10

Genghis says...

portlandboy wrote:
Genghis wrote:
The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far.
Doesn't the element of the council tax that is used to fund Dorset Police count as a "protection payment"? At least the Krays provided the service once they received the money!!
The Krays did not provide any kind of service at all. They extorted money through threats of violence. People paid up or they would be beaten up or their property smashed up or burnt down. What heroes they were.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: The Krays only hurt evil types? Their crimes included armed robberies, arson, protection rackets, violent assaults and murders. Who do you think were the victims of the protection rackets? Club owners, pub landlords and proprietors of other businesses in the area such as shops. Yes a lot of the violence was against other thugs trying to muscle in on their territory. But much of the violence was against those local businessmen who refused or defaulted on their protection payments. Criminals and thugs would describe thr Krays, heroes and saints would be stretching it a light year or two too far.[/p][/quote]Doesn't the element of the council tax that is used to fund Dorset Police count as a "protection payment"? At least the Krays provided the service once they received the money!![/p][/quote]The Krays did not provide any kind of service at all. They extorted money through threats of violence. People paid up or they would be beaten up or their property smashed up or burnt down. What heroes they were. Genghis
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10:47pm Fri 6 Aug 10

PortlandGal82 says...

If you ask me, these youths are probably thriving on all this attention they are getting.. Yes I think the police do need to pull their fingers out and do more.. but as a community we need to stop being too scared to go to the police with any information we know and we also need to stop making it the main focus of the island when in all other aspects it is a beautiful place to live and has a lot more going for it...They will soon get bored if they are not getting the attention they so desperately need.. (probably due to a lack of attention and love from their home lives). I think the whole idea of sticking together as a community and looking out for ourselves is a great idea but we need to do this by standing up to the Police and making them realise how important it is for them to do their job properly and stop all these ridiculous debates . We need to spread our ''Voice in numbers''. The more the police hear from us the more likely they are to do something about it.... They can't ignore it forever...I hope.
If you ask me, these youths are probably thriving on all this attention they are getting.. Yes I think the police do need to pull their fingers out and do more.. but as a community we need to stop being too scared to go to the police with any information we know and we also need to stop making it the main focus of the island when in all other aspects it is a beautiful place to live and has a lot more going for it...They will soon get bored if they are not getting the attention they so desperately need.. (probably due to a lack of attention and love from their home lives). I think the whole idea of sticking together as a community and looking out for ourselves is a great idea but we need to do this by standing up to the Police and making them realise how important it is for them to do their job properly and stop all these ridiculous debates . We need to spread our ''Voice in numbers''. The more the police hear from us the more likely they are to do something about it.... They can't ignore it forever...I hope. PortlandGal82
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12:40am Sat 7 Aug 10

FreeRadical says...

Vigilante groups, neighbourhood watch schemes or other complete waste-of-time ventures are not the answer. If the same upstanding advocates of these groups were to focus their attention on the proper upbringing of their own offspring rather than blaming the Police / Council / Government for their own failures then Portland would be a much better place.
I run daily on Portland, am ex military and know how to look after myself. However, the untamed, hooded, youths lurking in the alleys of Fortuneswell unnerve me to the point where I am forced to run in the road to avoid the risk of being attacked as I run through. I was warned last year, by the Police, of an assault upon a runner who was dragged into a lane, beaten, and deprived of music player, watch and sunglasses by a group of kids who should have been at school.
The problem lies at home. In this time of national recession, please don’t waste our taxes on schemes to mitigate your failures.
Vigilante groups, neighbourhood watch schemes or other complete waste-of-time ventures are not the answer. If the same upstanding advocates of these groups were to focus their attention on the proper upbringing of their own offspring rather than blaming the Police / Council / Government for their own failures then Portland would be a much better place. I run daily on Portland, am ex military and know how to look after myself. However, the untamed, hooded, youths lurking in the alleys of Fortuneswell unnerve me to the point where I am forced to run in the road to avoid the risk of being attacked as I run through. I was warned last year, by the Police, of an assault upon a runner who was dragged into a lane, beaten, and deprived of music player, watch and sunglasses by a group of kids who should have been at school. The problem lies at home. In this time of national recession, please don’t waste our taxes on schemes to mitigate your failures. FreeRadical
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8:42am Sat 7 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

PortlandGal82 wrote:
If you ask me, these youths are probably thriving on all this attention they are getting.. Yes I think the police do need to pull their fingers out and do more.. but as a community we need to stop being too scared to go to the police with any information we know and we also need to stop making it the main focus of the island when in all other aspects it is a beautiful place to live and has a lot more going for it...They will soon get bored if they are not getting the attention they so desperately need.. (probably due to a lack of attention and love from their home lives). I think the whole idea of sticking together as a community and looking out for ourselves is a great idea but we need to do this by standing up to the Police and making them realise how important it is for them to do their job properly and stop all these ridiculous debates . We need to spread our ''Voice in numbers''. The more the police hear from us the more likely they are to do something about it.... They can't ignore it forever...I hope.
I couldn't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]PortlandGal82[/bold] wrote: If you ask me, these youths are probably thriving on all this attention they are getting.. Yes I think the police do need to pull their fingers out and do more.. but as a community we need to stop being too scared to go to the police with any information we know and we also need to stop making it the main focus of the island when in all other aspects it is a beautiful place to live and has a lot more going for it...They will soon get bored if they are not getting the attention they so desperately need.. (probably due to a lack of attention and love from their home lives). I think the whole idea of sticking together as a community and looking out for ourselves is a great idea but we need to do this by standing up to the Police and making them realise how important it is for them to do their job properly and stop all these ridiculous debates . We need to spread our ''Voice in numbers''. The more the police hear from us the more likely they are to do something about it.... They can't ignore it forever...I hope.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more. PoetPeter
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8:45am Sat 7 Aug 10

PoetPeter says...

FreeRadical wrote:
Vigilante groups, neighbourhood watch schemes or other complete waste-of-time ventures are not the answer. If the same upstanding advocates of these groups were to focus their attention on the proper upbringing of their own offspring rather than blaming the Police / Council / Government for their own failures then Portland would be a much better place.
I run daily on Portland, am ex military and know how to look after myself. However, the untamed, hooded, youths lurking in the alleys of Fortuneswell unnerve me to the point where I am forced to run in the road to avoid the risk of being attacked as I run through. I was warned last year, by the Police, of an assault upon a runner who was dragged into a lane, beaten, and deprived of music player, watch and sunglasses by a group of kids who should have been at school.
The problem lies at home. In this time of national recession, please don’t waste our taxes on schemes to mitigate your failures.
Agreed but it doen't excuse the police abdicating their responsibility. Whatever failings there may be in Portland parents, anyone on Portland is entitled to the protection of the police.
[quote][p][bold]FreeRadical[/bold] wrote: Vigilante groups, neighbourhood watch schemes or other complete waste-of-time ventures are not the answer. If the same upstanding advocates of these groups were to focus their attention on the proper upbringing of their own offspring rather than blaming the Police / Council / Government for their own failures then Portland would be a much better place. I run daily on Portland, am ex military and know how to look after myself. However, the untamed, hooded, youths lurking in the alleys of Fortuneswell unnerve me to the point where I am forced to run in the road to avoid the risk of being attacked as I run through. I was warned last year, by the Police, of an assault upon a runner who was dragged into a lane, beaten, and deprived of music player, watch and sunglasses by a group of kids who should have been at school. The problem lies at home. In this time of national recession, please don’t waste our taxes on schemes to mitigate your failures.[/p][/quote]Agreed but it doen't excuse the police abdicating their responsibility. Whatever failings there may be in Portland parents, anyone on Portland is entitled to the protection of the police. PoetPeter
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11:44am Sat 7 Aug 10

RobinofLocksley says...

Today (Sat 7th) we learn that Shane Smith, whose recent offences helped start this whole issue going, has got 2 years.
One less thing for Portlanders to worry about, at least for a while.
I comment on it here as (surprise, surprise) one cannot comment on the story directly.
Today (Sat 7th) we learn that Shane Smith, whose recent offences helped start this whole issue going, has got 2 years. One less thing for Portlanders to worry about, at least for a while. I comment on it here as (surprise, surprise) one cannot comment on the story directly. RobinofLocksley
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12:37pm Sat 7 Aug 10

seahear says...

portlandboy wrote:
portlandresident wrote: Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!!
Sorry, my message was in reply to the above quote. The only people the Kray's were "evil" towards were those who were evil too and overstepped the line. My grandfather was a prison officer and had one of them in his charge. He always said that the day they were imprisoned was the day London became a dangerous place to walk at night
so the Krays only tortured and murdered peole who 'stepped out of line'
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portlandresident[/bold] wrote: Can I suggest that if you must patrol the area yourselves, you dress responsibly, and in a way which makes you look friendly and approachable? If I were to see you patrolling in the clothes pictured, you too would look like the kind of people who undertake the thug-like behaviour that you're trying to stop! What's more, I would like to re-assure you that as you're not trained police officers, you're not going to set a good impression for our island. It's a shame it's had to come to this, but like I said, if you must do it, at least get yourselves smart!![/p][/quote]Sorry, my message was in reply to the above quote. The only people the Kray's were "evil" towards were those who were evil too and overstepped the line. My grandfather was a prison officer and had one of them in his charge. He always said that the day they were imprisoned was the day London became a dangerous place to walk at night[/p][/quote]so the Krays only tortured and murdered peole who 'stepped out of line' seahear
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12:57pm Sat 7 Aug 10

Usual Story says...

RobinofLocksley wrote:
Today (Sat 7th) we learn that Shane Smith, whose recent offences helped start this whole issue going, has got 2 years. One less thing for Portlanders to worry about, at least for a while. I comment on it here as (surprise, surprise) one cannot comment on the story directly.
I agree completely and was wondering the same thing. Poor little darling does look a bit bruised in his photo too.
It does bug me though, that because he broke his previous conditional discharge, he was given additional weeks in jail, but they will run concurrently with his two year sentence. As such, there is effectively no punishment for breaking his conditional discharge, which means that his original conditional discharge had no conditions at all.
I am also wondering if all his supporters who came out in force for his last Echo appearance, will still be saying he's such a nice lad, knowing he battered his own mother and tried to strangle his pregnant sister. Yep, he is just misunderstood. Poor boy.
[quote][p][bold]RobinofLocksley[/bold] wrote: Today (Sat 7th) we learn that Shane Smith, whose recent offences helped start this whole issue going, has got 2 years. One less thing for Portlanders to worry about, at least for a while. I comment on it here as (surprise, surprise) one cannot comment on the story directly.[/p][/quote]I agree completely and was wondering the same thing. Poor little darling does look a bit bruised in his photo too. It does bug me though, that because he broke his previous conditional discharge, he was given additional weeks in jail, but they will run concurrently with his two year sentence. As such, there is effectively no punishment for breaking his conditional discharge, which means that his original conditional discharge had no conditions at all. I am also wondering if all his supporters who came out in force for his last Echo appearance, will still be saying he's such a nice lad, knowing he battered his own mother and tried to strangle his pregnant sister. Yep, he is just misunderstood. Poor boy. Usual Story
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1:25pm Sat 7 Aug 10

Tike says...

RobinofLocksley wrote:
Today (Sat 7th) we learn that Shane Smith, whose recent offences helped start this whole issue going, has got 2 years. One less thing for Portlanders to worry about, at least for a while. I comment on it here as (surprise, surprise) one cannot comment on the story directly.
Yep, the lad is even protected from the wrath of the Echo Readers! Two years seems a reasonable punishment for hitting a woman, another couple for trying to strangle another, and what about all the other offences? Two years just is not enough for scum like that.
[quote][p][bold]RobinofLocksley[/bold] wrote: Today (Sat 7th) we learn that Shane Smith, whose recent offences helped start this whole issue going, has got 2 years. One less thing for Portlanders to worry about, at least for a while. I comment on it here as (surprise, surprise) one cannot comment on the story directly.[/p][/quote]Yep, the lad is even protected from the wrath of the Echo Readers! Two years seems a reasonable punishment for hitting a woman, another couple for trying to strangle another, and what about all the other offences? Two years just is not enough for scum like that. Tike
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6:56pm Sat 7 Aug 10

One step forward two steps back says...

Sylvia2 wrote:
Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with.
They knew what they were getting into when they applied for the job! It is called policing....they are paid and trained to face danger and apprehend criminal types....not just drive around in flash cars looking important. I respect them for the job they do but they've got to be seen to be doing it! You earn respect!
[quote][p][bold]Sylvia2[/bold] wrote: Yes of course children from 'good' parents can go off the rails but when I was young the parents dealt with it not went whining to the police to sort it out. That is my argument that more and more people expect the police to sort out their lives. You all rant and rave about Dorset Police but try living in an inner city area and then stand back and see what a beautiful and safer environment you live in. If officers get this attitude from you lot and no support from the public or the government, who are if you are not aware are currently cutting down on officers, how do you think they feel. If you whine that you pay your taxes etc, then take your £1 back or whatever measly sum it is. I support our hardworking men and women in Dorset Police and officers all over the country who risk their lives to keep us safe. No I am not exagerating...look at the officer blinded by Raoul Moat and look how many die on duty. Just shut up you moaning lot. Get a life. If you want to help join the specials or go out for a night on the Patrol Obeserver scheme and see what they deal with.[/p][/quote]They knew what they were getting into when they applied for the job! It is called policing....they are paid and trained to face danger and apprehend criminal types....not just drive around in flash cars looking important. I respect them for the job they do but they've got to be seen to be doing it! You earn respect! One step forward two steps back
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1:13am Sun 8 Aug 10

weymouth1992 says...

right for starters yeah shane did not batter his mum !!!! it was a miss understanding which went on in the house that the police did not need to be involved with & i no this because i was there !! secondly yes he will have the people who supported him last time as i was one of them. & yeah non of you lot can comment on the latest update that was put on here because non of you no the whole truth. & also he didnt get sent down for two years with what happened with his mum if you read the echo propely your see it says it was for a number of things. sadly you lot dont have no sayin with what punishment he gets so why dont you get over it. obviously the judge is abit more understanding than you lot & he knows whats gone on. so carry on saying stuff like poor little darling does look abit bruised & one less thing for portlanders to worry about but at end of day its not up to you what happens with him ayee . and yes i will say again shane will sort his life out 100% & im stickin to it !!!!!!!!!!! oh and have you all realised theres been a hell of stuff going on with portland lately & thats nothing to do with shane as he aint here. feel free too reply back with your lovely comments we have heard it all before so whats a few more. at end of the day the people who matter to him all no the truth so whatever any of ya say wont matter to any of us !!!!! it must just be portland its always been like it its like a bomb waiting to go off
right for starters yeah shane did not batter his mum !!!! it was a miss understanding which went on in the house that the police did not need to be involved with & i no this because i was there !! secondly yes he will have the people who supported him last time as i was one of them. & yeah non of you lot can comment on the latest update that was put on here because non of you no the whole truth. & also he didnt get sent down for two years with what happened with his mum if you read the echo propely your see it says it was for a number of things. sadly you lot dont have no sayin with what punishment he gets so why dont you get over it. obviously the judge is abit more understanding than you lot & he knows whats gone on. so carry on saying stuff like poor little darling does look abit bruised & one less thing for portlanders to worry about but at end of day its not up to you what happens with him ayee . and yes i will say again shane will sort his life out 100% & im stickin to it !!!!!!!!!!! oh and have you all realised theres been a hell of stuff going on with portland lately & thats nothing to do with shane as he aint here. feel free too reply back with your lovely comments we have heard it all before so whats a few more. at end of the day the people who matter to him all no the truth so whatever any of ya say wont matter to any of us !!!!! it must just be portland its always been like it its like a bomb waiting to go off weymouth1992
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1:18am Sun 8 Aug 10

diane02 says...

y dont you portlanderes go head to head with the out sideres and see how far u get because there is more out sideres on portland than there is portlanderes portland is like a time bomb waiting for some 1 to trigger it off and its not always down to shane look at what the kids was getting up to when he was.nt here the muggins the beatins that kids were doing to holiday makers now that sets an good exsample to put in ur broushers to advertise portland who would want to come here when u have people going home and telling there local paper were will that leave you lot for the olympics ha ha ha you bunch of jokers
y dont you portlanderes go head to head with the out sideres and see how far u get because there is more out sideres on portland than there is portlanderes portland is like a time bomb waiting for some 1 to trigger it off and its not always down to shane look at what the kids was getting up to when he was.nt here the muggins the beatins that kids were doing to holiday makers now that sets an good exsample to put in ur broushers to advertise portland who would want to come here when u have people going home and telling there local paper were will that leave you lot for the olympics ha ha ha you bunch of jokers diane02
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1:28am Sun 8 Aug 10

weymouth1992 says...

oh & another thing echo also mentioned his family will be ashamed of him well thats not true there proud of the fact he wanted to get the punishment & realised he done wrong !!! & he aint ruined his whole life if im honest his life is gonna start when he gets out & i no thats a FACT
oh & another thing echo also mentioned his family will be ashamed of him well thats not true there proud of the fact he wanted to get the punishment & realised he done wrong !!! & he aint ruined his whole life if im honest his life is gonna start when he gets out & i no thats a FACT weymouth1992
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11:04am Sun 8 Aug 10

Usual Story says...

I hope he does sort himself out when he gets out, but it doesn't seem like he has since your last comments, does it?
I don't think Shane is responsible for every crime that goes on in Weymouth or Portland, but you have to realise that Shane has been involved in racial abuse, assault, burglary, threats to name a few. There are innocent people on the end of those crimes. Whatever problems Shane has, whatever difficulties he has had through his life does not give him the right to take it out on innocent people.
I think punching his mother and trying to strangle his pregnant sister is a little more than a misunderstanding and whether it is in the house or not, it is still assault. Someone obviously thought the police should be involved.
No one has said he has been sent down for two years for hitting his mum, they were suggesting that would be reasonable.
And yes, my dear, we can all comment on it, because he has been convicted and sent down. At last.
I hope he does sort himself out when he gets out, but it doesn't seem like he has since your last comments, does it? I don't think Shane is responsible for every crime that goes on in Weymouth or Portland, but you have to realise that Shane has been involved in racial abuse, assault, burglary, threats to name a few. There are innocent people on the end of those crimes. Whatever problems Shane has, whatever difficulties he has had through his life does not give him the right to take it out on innocent people. I think punching his mother and trying to strangle his pregnant sister is a little more than a misunderstanding and whether it is in the house or not, it is still assault. Someone obviously thought the police should be involved. No one has said he has been sent down for two years for hitting his mum, they were suggesting that would be reasonable. And yes, my dear, we can all comment on it, because he has been convicted and sent down. At last. Usual Story
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12:29pm Sun 8 Aug 10

weymouth1992 says...

yeah & dont you think we all no shane has done wrong. we have told him lots of times. we havnt said he has done all this because hes had a hard life maybe parts of it is but he done it mostly because he got with the wrong crowd. also your all saying its down to the parents to control there kids but what they suppose to do lock him in the house and not let him out?? now i no shanes mum & dad are hurt by what he has done but also proud of him he is a nice lad & he can sort himself out if he got the help. this with his mum & sister the echo are obviously gonna make it sound worse they both were arguing and it just got out of hand and his mum knows shane is really sorry and to be honest its non of ya business because if they can both forgive him then you lot should butt out his mum is supporting 100% if she wernt she wouldnt of turned up in court for him. we all no he has done wrong & there aint no excuse for it but there are loads more other people out there who have also done wrong and i dont see there names getting mentioned. its not nice for his family to have to read this put yourself in there position!!
yeah & dont you think we all no shane has done wrong. we have told him lots of times. we havnt said he has done all this because hes had a hard life maybe parts of it is but he done it mostly because he got with the wrong crowd. also your all saying its down to the parents to control there kids but what they suppose to do lock him in the house and not let him out?? now i no shanes mum & dad are hurt by what he has done but also proud of him he is a nice lad & he can sort himself out if he got the help. this with his mum & sister the echo are obviously gonna make it sound worse they both were arguing and it just got out of hand and his mum knows shane is really sorry and to be honest its non of ya business because if they can both forgive him then you lot should butt out his mum is supporting 100% if she wernt she wouldnt of turned up in court for him. we all no he has done wrong & there aint no excuse for it but there are loads more other people out there who have also done wrong and i dont see there names getting mentioned. its not nice for his family to have to read this put yourself in there position!! weymouth1992
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10:59am Mon 9 Aug 10

ballstoit says...

Fair enough. This shane fella's been a dick but if you read the story its obvious hes not to blame for 'everything'.
Quoted from the story: "remanded in custody since may"
So, hes been off the streets for a long time.
I aint got any sympathy for this muppet but its stupid to demonize just one person. Fingers crossed we get some more names out the woodwork and something gets done about them too.
Fair enough. This shane fella's been a dick but if you read the story its obvious hes not to blame for 'everything'. Quoted from the story: "remanded in custody since may" So, hes been off the streets for a long time. I aint got any sympathy for this muppet but its stupid to demonize just one person. Fingers crossed we get some more names out the woodwork and something gets done about them too. ballstoit
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