Strike action: Parents divided on teacher's protests

Father of two Colin Simon says teacher strikes were unreasonable

Father of two Colin Simon says teacher strikes were unreasonable

First published in News

MANY parents were forced to arrange childcare or take time off work to look after their youngsters as teachers walked out of the classroom yesterday.

Opinion has been divided among parents about whether the strike action was understandable or irresponsible.

Colin Simon, 38, of Weymouth, said both his sons could not attend school because Damers First School was partially closed and Conifers Primary School was shut completely.

The father-of-two, who lives in Shirecroft Road with his children and wife Claire, described the strike action as ‘disgusting’.

He said: “Personally, I think striking was out of order.

“I am with them about the pension and you have to look after yourself when you’re older, but I think it is disgusting to go on strike – especially when it is affecting children.

“It’s also costing people and the economy money – parents have had to miss work or put their children into childcare.”

He added: “Parents are penalised for taking their children out of school for a holiday or day out, but then the teachers think it’s fine to do this.

“They could have done it on a teacher’s training day or a time out of school hours. I would have had more respect for them if they had done that.”

Carole Faulkner, aged 49, of Louise Road in Dorchester, said her 13-year-old couldn’t attend Dorchester Middle School and described the strike action as ‘wrong’.

She said: “My son went down to the skatepark instead and so he was quite chuffed, but I said: ‘No, it’s wrong. It’s your education’.

“When will they strike again, and when will more children lose out on their education?”

Mum-of-two Cheryl Barrett from Weymouth said her children were not affected by the strike action but she sympathised with those parents who had been.

She said: “I am quite sympathetic to anyone who was affected. It has been an inconvenience to everyone.”

Bridget May, 49, of Charminster, who has children who couldn’t attend school yesterday, said she could see both sides.

She said: “I can see what the teachers are saying, but I can also sympathise with the parents.”

On the other hand Patricia Soares, 44, of Weymouth said she supported the strike action despite the fact her four-year-old son who attends Conifers Primary School was affected.

She said: “If I was a teacher, I would have gone on strike as well.

“They’re looking after the children and their education, not just their pensions.”

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12:38pm Fri 1 Jul 11

noplaceformen says...

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One lot of parents don't have a Daughter any more who should have been at school, but wasn't because of the Stirkes.
http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2010193/Teachers-str ike-Sophie-Howard-13 -killed-falling-bran ch-school-closed.htm l?ITO=1490 One lot of parents don't have a Daughter any more who should have been at school, but wasn't because of the Stirkes. noplaceformen
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1:22pm Fri 1 Jul 11

hiraeth says...

noplaceformen wrote:
http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2010193/Teachers-str ike-Sophie-Howard-13 -killed-falling-bran ch-school-closed.htm l?ITO=1490 One lot of parents don't have a Daughter any more who should have been at school, but wasn't because of the Stirkes.
You must stop reading the Daily Mail.
It's not healthy....makes people miserable.
[quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2010193/Teachers-str ike-Sophie-Howard-13 -killed-falling-bran ch-school-closed.htm l?ITO=1490 One lot of parents don't have a Daughter any more who should have been at school, but wasn't because of the Stirkes.[/p][/quote]You must stop reading the Daily Mail. It's not healthy....makes people miserable. hiraeth
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1:28pm Fri 1 Jul 11

hiraeth says...

Good to see a bit of strike action going on.
Did Mr. Simon and his wife really describe the strike action as 'disgusting'?
One day of missed education is not going to make any difference.
My children had a good day out in the garden in the sunshine....nothing 'disgusting' about that.
Good to see a bit of strike action going on. Did Mr. Simon and his wife really describe the strike action as 'disgusting'? One day of missed education is not going to make any difference. My children had a good day out in the garden in the sunshine....nothing 'disgusting' about that. hiraeth
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2:10pm Fri 1 Jul 11

weymouth lady says...

I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much. weymouth lady
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2:25pm Fri 1 Jul 11

ETV says...

weymouth lady wrote:
I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
[quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear. ETV
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3:38pm Fri 1 Jul 11

hiraeth says...

ETV wrote:
weymouth lady wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
Teachers have their jobs because of extensive training, academic achievement and the interview and application process. This is nothing to do with 'luck'.
Some people just don't like losing their day's free childcare.
[quote][p][bold]ETV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.[/p][/quote]Teachers have their jobs because of extensive training, academic achievement and the interview and application process. This is nothing to do with 'luck'. Some people just don't like losing their day's free childcare. hiraeth
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4:00pm Fri 1 Jul 11

noplaceformen says...

hiraeth wrote:
noplaceformen wrote:
http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2010193/Teachers-str ike-Sophie-Howard-13 -killed-falling-bran ch-school-closed.htm l?ITO=1490 One lot of parents don't have a Daughter any more who should have been at school, but wasn't because of the Stirkes.
You must stop reading the Daily Mail.
It's not healthy....makes people miserable.
..and the Echo don't :-)
[quote][p][bold]hiraeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2010193/Teachers-str ike-Sophie-Howard-13 -killed-falling-bran ch-school-closed.htm l?ITO=1490 One lot of parents don't have a Daughter any more who should have been at school, but wasn't because of the Stirkes.[/p][/quote]You must stop reading the Daily Mail. It's not healthy....makes people miserable.[/p][/quote]..and the Echo don't :-) noplaceformen
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4:01pm Fri 1 Jul 11

noplaceformen says...

ETV wrote:
weymouth lady wrote:
I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
Here Here Twice...
[quote][p][bold]ETV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.[/p][/quote]Here Here Twice... noplaceformen
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4:01pm Fri 1 Jul 11

greenglasses says...

what would the parents do if their child was ill.... or would that be the teachers fault too?
what would the parents do if their child was ill.... or would that be the teachers fault too? greenglasses
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4:05pm Fri 1 Jul 11

Seaside- says...

hiraeth wrote:
Good to see a bit of strike action going on.
Did Mr. Simon and his wife really describe the strike action as 'disgusting'?
One day of missed education is not going to make any difference.
My children had a good day out in the garden in the sunshine....nothing 'disgusting' about that.
How does anyone know that a husband and wife have different opinions? To make such an quote without any details is unjust
[quote][p][bold]hiraeth[/bold] wrote: Good to see a bit of strike action going on. Did Mr. Simon and his wife really describe the strike action as 'disgusting'? One day of missed education is not going to make any difference. My children had a good day out in the garden in the sunshine....nothing 'disgusting' about that.[/p][/quote]How does anyone know that a husband and wife have different opinions? To make such an quote without any details is unjust Seaside-
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4:07pm Fri 1 Jul 11

Seaside- says...

noplaceformen wrote:
ETV wrote:
weymouth lady wrote:
I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
Here Here Twice...
Here here thrice
[quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ETV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.[/p][/quote]Here Here Twice...[/p][/quote]Here here thrice Seaside-
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4:28pm Fri 1 Jul 11

Totallytopical says...

Was it just the one teacher on strike - or should that apostrophe be behind the s instead of in front?
Was it just the one teacher on strike - or should that apostrophe be behind the s instead of in front? Totallytopical
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5:21pm Fri 1 Jul 11

Genghis says...

Seaside- wrote:
noplaceformen wrote:
ETV wrote:
weymouth lady wrote:
I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
Here Here Twice...
Here here thrice
Is that "hear, hear" as in the shortened form of the saying of "hear him, hear him" originating in Parliament? Or is it an indication of where the party is to be held while the teachers are on strike?
[quote][p][bold]Seaside-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ETV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.[/p][/quote]Here Here Twice...[/p][/quote]Here here thrice[/p][/quote]Is that "hear, hear" as in the shortened form of the saying of "hear him, hear him" originating in Parliament? Or is it an indication of where the party is to be held while the teachers are on strike? Genghis
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6:11pm Fri 1 Jul 11

noplaceformen says...

Genghis wrote:
Seaside- wrote:
noplaceformen wrote:
ETV wrote:
weymouth lady wrote:
I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
Here Here Twice...
Here here thrice
Is that "hear, hear" as in the shortened form of the saying of "hear him, hear him" originating in Parliament? Or is it an indication of where the party is to be held while the teachers are on strike?
There, there Ghengis....
[quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seaside-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ETV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.[/p][/quote]Here Here Twice...[/p][/quote]Here here thrice[/p][/quote]Is that "hear, hear" as in the shortened form of the saying of "hear him, hear him" originating in Parliament? Or is it an indication of where the party is to be held while the teachers are on strike?[/p][/quote]There, there Ghengis.... noplaceformen
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6:28pm Fri 1 Jul 11

ETV says...

noplaceformen wrote:
Genghis wrote:
Seaside- wrote:
noplaceformen wrote:
ETV wrote:
weymouth lady wrote:
I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
Here Here Twice...
Here here thrice
Is that "hear, hear" as in the shortened form of the saying of "hear him, hear him" originating in Parliament? Or is it an indication of where the party is to be held while the teachers are on strike?
There, there Ghengis....
Now now.
[quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Genghis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seaside-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ETV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.[/p][/quote]Here Here Twice...[/p][/quote]Here here thrice[/p][/quote]Is that "hear, hear" as in the shortened form of the saying of "hear him, hear him" originating in Parliament? Or is it an indication of where the party is to be held while the teachers are on strike?[/p][/quote]There, there Ghengis....[/p][/quote]Now now. ETV
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6:34pm Fri 1 Jul 11

ETV says...

hiraeth wrote:
ETV wrote:
weymouth lady wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.
Hear hear.
Teachers have their jobs because of extensive training, academic achievement and the interview and application process. This is nothing to do with 'luck'.
Some people just don't like losing their day's free childcare.
Teachers have their jobs for *exactly* the same reason everyone else has a job. They are no more special than any other employed person. They work no harder than the majority of employed people. They probably earn as much if not more money than many other employed people.
.
Unlike other employed people they need to stop bleating.
[quote][p][bold]hiraeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ETV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weymouth lady[/bold] wrote: I know it sounds harsh but they are lucky they have jobs, people are struggling out there trying to find decent employment that has good pay. I personally have no sympathy with them moaning about their pensions when workers in weymouth are losing their jobs because shops have had to shut due to the lack of trade and roadworks that have impacted trade so much.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.[/p][/quote]Teachers have their jobs because of extensive training, academic achievement and the interview and application process. This is nothing to do with 'luck'. Some people just don't like losing their day's free childcare.[/p][/quote]Teachers have their jobs for *exactly* the same reason everyone else has a job. They are no more special than any other employed person. They work no harder than the majority of employed people. They probably earn as much if not more money than many other employed people. . Unlike other employed people they need to stop bleating. ETV
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9:02pm Fri 1 Jul 11

Amsterdam1 says...

I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down?
I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down? Amsterdam1
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9:09pm Fri 1 Jul 11

radiator says...

Wouldnt it be nice if they could scrap all these pension schemes and say heres a wage for doing your job now go and get your own private schemes.I also see there is not a lot mentioned about the lump sums that some of these people get on retiring
Wouldnt it be nice if they could scrap all these pension schemes and say heres a wage for doing your job now go and get your own private schemes.I also see there is not a lot mentioned about the lump sums that some of these people get on retiring radiator
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10:19am Sat 2 Jul 11

noplaceformen says...

Amsterdam1 wrote:
I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down?
Some might have some sympathy with that if half of the teachers were not so useless and what is coming out of our Schools not so behind. Labour dumbed things down in many areas to make underachievement look good. Some people see through that. One has only to compare standards here in many areas to many countries to see how low they have dropped with Labour in power.
[quote][p][bold]Amsterdam1[/bold] wrote: I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down?[/p][/quote]Some might have some sympathy with that if half of the teachers were not so useless and what is coming out of our Schools not so behind. Labour dumbed things down in many areas to make underachievement look good. Some people see through that. One has only to compare standards here in many areas to many countries to see how low they have dropped with Labour in power. noplaceformen
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10:37am Sat 2 Jul 11

portland6 says...

Colin tells Miriam (the Echo reporter) on Twitter that he was off sick anyhow, Carole's kids went to the skatepark, and the other parents interviewed weren't affected. So the Echo found no evidence of parents taking time off work or arranging childcare! Biased reporting AGAIN!
Colin tells Miriam (the Echo reporter) on Twitter that he was off sick anyhow, Carole's kids went to the skatepark, and the other parents interviewed weren't affected. So the Echo found no evidence of parents taking time off work or arranging childcare! Biased reporting AGAIN! portland6
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11:02am Sat 2 Jul 11

noplaceformen says...

portland6 wrote:
Colin tells Miriam (the Echo reporter) on Twitter that he was off sick anyhow, Carole's kids went to the skatepark, and the other parents interviewed weren't affected. So the Echo found no evidence of parents taking time off work or arranging childcare! Biased reporting AGAIN!
Since when has Miriam been able to do anything without Bias? The factual evidence in comments on the Refuge article were all deleted "as agenda usual".
[quote][p][bold]portland6[/bold] wrote: Colin tells Miriam (the Echo reporter) on Twitter that he was off sick anyhow, Carole's kids went to the skatepark, and the other parents interviewed weren't affected. So the Echo found no evidence of parents taking time off work or arranging childcare! Biased reporting AGAIN![/p][/quote]Since when has Miriam been able to do anything without Bias? The factual evidence in comments on the Refuge article were all deleted "as agenda usual". noplaceformen
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1:45pm Sat 2 Jul 11

Amsterdam1 says...

noplaceformen wrote:
Amsterdam1 wrote: I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down?
Some might have some sympathy with that if half of the teachers were not so useless and what is coming out of our Schools not so behind. Labour dumbed things down in many areas to make underachievement look good. Some people see through that. One has only to compare standards here in many areas to many countries to see how low they have dropped with Labour in power.
I utterly agree but my point is that if the employment package is not attractive, people who may have been interested in teaching simply won't be and the standard of teaching will drop further. It's the same as the NHS, there was an article in a national newspaper featuring an NHS consultant who said that, whilst he currently works and supports the NHS, if the changes go through he is likely to move into private practice because the package is so much better.
[quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Amsterdam1[/bold] wrote: I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down?[/p][/quote]Some might have some sympathy with that if half of the teachers were not so useless and what is coming out of our Schools not so behind. Labour dumbed things down in many areas to make underachievement look good. Some people see through that. One has only to compare standards here in many areas to many countries to see how low they have dropped with Labour in power.[/p][/quote]I utterly agree but my point is that if the employment package is not attractive, people who may have been interested in teaching simply won't be and the standard of teaching will drop further. It's the same as the NHS, there was an article in a national newspaper featuring an NHS consultant who said that, whilst he currently works and supports the NHS, if the changes go through he is likely to move into private practice because the package is so much better. Amsterdam1
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5:52pm Sat 2 Jul 11

noplaceformen says...

Amsterdam1 wrote:
noplaceformen wrote:
Amsterdam1 wrote: I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down?
Some might have some sympathy with that if half of the teachers were not so useless and what is coming out of our Schools not so behind. Labour dumbed things down in many areas to make underachievement look good. Some people see through that. One has only to compare standards here in many areas to many countries to see how low they have dropped with Labour in power.
I utterly agree but my point is that if the employment package is not attractive, people who may have been interested in teaching simply won't be and the standard of teaching will drop further. It's the same as the NHS, there was an article in a national newspaper featuring an NHS consultant who said that, whilst he currently works and supports the NHS, if the changes go through he is likely to move into private practice because the package is so much better.
I think the standard of teaching has little to do with the wage packet really, the standards have been dropping at source for years. Teaching as they say is an "honourable profession" and should not be based solely on money surely. That being said I also think Teachers pay should be performance linked, by that I do not mean dumbing the standards and exams down so that performance targets are made easier.... which is exactly what Labour would do! Perhaps the Teachers should be protesting about all the P.C crap and diversity nonsense and so forth forced on the profession instead, THEN get back to teaching nothing but core education. That won't happen because there are too many left subversives in the Unions and other associated organisations that deal with it all intent on using the education system for their own ends and not what is in the best interest of the children's education.. It has been going on for years .
[quote][p][bold]Amsterdam1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noplaceformen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Amsterdam1[/bold] wrote: I whole heartedly support the teachers. Funny how the government thinks it's alright to keep paying bonuses to the corporate sector because they need to attract the right people to the job but they don't feel the same about those who are teaching our children?! The words 'future' and 'investment' spring to mind. Maybe we should 'outsource' to a foreign call centre to get the costs down?[/p][/quote]Some might have some sympathy with that if half of the teachers were not so useless and what is coming out of our Schools not so behind. Labour dumbed things down in many areas to make underachievement look good. Some people see through that. One has only to compare standards here in many areas to many countries to see how low they have dropped with Labour in power.[/p][/quote]I utterly agree but my point is that if the employment package is not attractive, people who may have been interested in teaching simply won't be and the standard of teaching will drop further. It's the same as the NHS, there was an article in a national newspaper featuring an NHS consultant who said that, whilst he currently works and supports the NHS, if the changes go through he is likely to move into private practice because the package is so much better.[/p][/quote]I think the standard of teaching has little to do with the wage packet really, the standards have been dropping at source for years. Teaching as they say is an "honourable profession" and should not be based solely on money surely. That being said I also think Teachers pay should be performance linked, by that I do not mean dumbing the standards and exams down so that performance targets are made easier.... which is exactly what Labour would do! Perhaps the Teachers should be protesting about all the P.C crap and diversity nonsense and so forth forced on the profession instead, THEN get back to teaching nothing but core education. That won't happen because there are too many left subversives in the Unions and other associated organisations that deal with it all intent on using the education system for their own ends and not what is in the best interest of the children's education.. It has been going on for years . noplaceformen
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4:51pm Mon 4 Jul 11

Anno Nee Mouse says...

radiator wrote:
Wouldnt it be nice if they could scrap all these pension schemes and say heres a wage for doing your job now go and get your own private schemes.I also see there is not a lot mentioned about the lump sums that some of these people get on retiring
Spot on Rad.
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Take a school teacher (say a department head) or middle ranking Local Government Officer on £70,000 who retire after 40 years of work - they will get £105,000 tax free lump sum plus £35,000 per year index linked pension (on top of their state pension). Now if "Joe the Plumber" or "Sally the freelance reporter" after 40 years of good self employed work is to retire on the same pension he/she will have had to build a pension pot of £1,000,000. (Check open market index-linked annuity rates for yourself) Just how much would that amount to as a salary deduction? I can tell you that middle and especially senior public sector employees have a huge privilege these days since life expectancy has extended. A Chief Exec on £100,000 to £200,000 pa would have to put aside about 35% of their nominal salary throughout their career if they followed an equivalently profiled career on self employed terms. That is harder than buying a house.
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Yes, I say do away with tax-deducted pension contributions and do away with publically funded pensions. Pay an open and transparent total remuneration package – making it easier to compare one job with another. If we, the people, feel we wish to support pension provision (a good thing!), then let it be transparent. One idea would be to make available a government sponsored pension annuity up to some reasonable level such as£30,000 £40,000 per year for purchase after age 60 or so, which the government could guarantee, index link, make tax-free, according to political desire. It would also eliminate many multi-million pound bonus-hunting pension fund providers who take several percent of your pension pot annually just to manage it poorly.
[quote][p][bold]radiator[/bold] wrote: Wouldnt it be nice if they could scrap all these pension schemes and say heres a wage for doing your job now go and get your own private schemes.I also see there is not a lot mentioned about the lump sums that some of these people get on retiring[/p][/quote]Spot on Rad. . Take a school teacher (say a department head) or middle ranking Local Government Officer on £70,000 who retire after 40 years of work - they will get £105,000 tax free lump sum plus £35,000 per year index linked pension (on top of their state pension). Now if "Joe the Plumber" or "Sally the freelance reporter" after 40 years of good self employed work is to retire on the same pension he/she will have had to build a pension pot of £1,000,000. (Check open market index-linked annuity rates for yourself) Just how much would that amount to as a salary deduction? I can tell you that middle and especially senior public sector employees have a huge privilege these days since life expectancy has extended. A Chief Exec on £100,000 to £200,000 pa would have to put aside about 35% of their nominal salary throughout their career if they followed an equivalently profiled career on self employed terms. That is harder than buying a house. . Yes, I say do away with tax-deducted pension contributions and do away with publically funded pensions. Pay an open and transparent total remuneration package – making it easier to compare one job with another. If we, the people, feel we wish to support pension provision (a good thing!), then let it be transparent. One idea would be to make available a government sponsored pension annuity up to some reasonable level such as£30,000 £40,000 per year for purchase after age 60 or so, which the government could guarantee, index link, make tax-free, according to political desire. It would also eliminate many multi-million pound bonus-hunting pension fund providers who take several percent of your pension pot annually just to manage it poorly. Anno Nee Mouse
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4:57pm Wed 6 Jul 11

3rdAccount says...

I don't get this headline - "Parents divided".

All the parents I have spoken to (who have children at schools that were closed) were really annoyed and had no support what-so-ever for the striking teachers.

They have shot themselves in the foot big time on this one - the little support I did have for their cause has now completely gone.
I don't get this headline - "Parents divided". All the parents I have spoken to (who have children at schools that were closed) were really annoyed and had no support what-so-ever for the striking teachers. They have shot themselves in the foot big time on this one - the little support I did have for their cause has now completely gone. 3rdAccount
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