Weymouth Sainsbury's store plans unveiled

Weymouth Sainsbury's store plans unveiled

An artist’s impression of the new development

Ian Munro-Price

First published in News Dorset Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Reporter

THIS is the first glimpse of the new Sainsbury’s store that will bring 400 jobs to the town.

As part of the Weymouth Gateway development on the New Look site in Mercery Road, Weymouth, a Sainsbury’s store is proposed with the potential to bring 400 full and part time jobs to the area.

The development will include a replacement headquarters for New Look, a hotel, family restaurant and a large area has been earmarked for business use.

The development is expected to create 1,000 jobs when it is completed with nearly half coming from the Sainsbury’s store.

Caroline Vickerstaff, Regional Development Executive for Sainsbury’s said the company was delighted to share the designs with the people of Weymouth and Portland and wanted people to give them feedback on their plans.

Mrs Vickerstaff said: “I am really happy to share the store designs with people in Weymouth.

“A Sainsbury’s at this site will serve the Weymouth community, whilst providing additional competition and choice for shoppers.”

A planning application will be submitted to the Borough Council over the summer.

Mayor of Weymouth and Portland Margaret Leicester welcomed the investment in the town and said that events like the Olympics were encouraging investment in the area.

She said: “We welcome the investment in Weymouth that will create jobs, especially at a time like now when other people are suffering so badly.

“It gives local people more choice as well.”

She added: “Generally the whole town has received a lot of investment for a lot of things that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.”

Weymouth and Portland Borough Council spokesman for economic development, Ian Munro-Price, said that the first phase of development would include the planned hotel, restaurant and New Look headquarters, and phase two would attract other businesses.

He said: “This is an excellent opportunity for the borough.

“Phase two will be designed to attract a mixture of modern businesses which is most welcome.

“It will open up the prospect for employment and further investment in that area which will no doubt be a huge boost to the economy of Weymouth and Portland.”

Vice President of the Weymouth and Portland Chamber of Commerce Julie Cleaver said that the chamber had backed the project from the beginning.

She said: “We thought from the very beginning it was needed in Weymouth in terms of giving customers choice and to bring jobs to the town.”

She added: “I think to have a third competitor in the town would be great.”

Mrs Cleaver added that this year would showcase Weymouth’s potential.

She said: “If there’s a year when Weymouth’s business sector has a chance to shine its 2012.”

People can give feedback on the design at the Sainsbury’s website www. sainsburys-weymouth.co.uk or by calling 0800 130 3270.

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12:26pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Top Gear says...

Lets hope the jobs created are for local people from the UK.
Lets hope the jobs created are for local people from the UK. Top Gear
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12:30pm Fri 22 Jun 12

ManOnTheSilverMountain says...

do "local people from the UK." actually want to work?

You slightly racist rant about immigration assumes that "local" people want to work, rather than sit at home and watch has in the attic whilst claiming benefits.
do "local people from the UK." actually want to work? You slightly racist rant about immigration assumes that "local" people want to work, rather than sit at home and watch has in the attic whilst claiming benefits. ManOnTheSilverMountain
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12:39pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Top Gear says...

ManOnTheSilverMounta
in
wrote:
do "local people from the UK." actually want to work?

You slightly racist rant about immigration assumes that "local" people want to work, rather than sit at home and watch has in the attic whilst claiming benefits.
Yes i know a lot of people from Weymouth who want to work, and of course there are lazy wasters who want to live on benefits. Labour today has said they got it wrong on immigration. Nothing racist about that.
[quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: do "local people from the UK." actually want to work? You slightly racist rant about immigration assumes that "local" people want to work, rather than sit at home and watch has in the attic whilst claiming benefits.[/p][/quote]Yes i know a lot of people from Weymouth who want to work, and of course there are lazy wasters who want to live on benefits. Labour today has said they got it wrong on immigration. Nothing racist about that. Top Gear
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12:41pm Fri 22 Jun 12

AlienPlanet says...

More roadworks!!!
More roadworks!!! AlienPlanet
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12:47pm Fri 22 Jun 12

monkeydog says...

Brilliant! Four posts about a new supermarket and we've got anti-foreigners, racism, workshy benefit claimants, politics and roadwork complaints. Who's going to complain it's too close to Morrisons? Where's Waitrose?
Brilliant! Four posts about a new supermarket and we've got anti-foreigners, racism, workshy benefit claimants, politics and roadwork complaints. Who's going to complain it's too close to Morrisons? Where's Waitrose? monkeydog
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1:01pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

monkeydog
It is close enough to Morrisons, but what a fag it is going to be going back and forth doing price comparisons before actually picking up the goods you need. I suspect that Sainsburys will easily be able to reduce their checkout queuing times compared to Morrisons (:o))
monkeydog It is close enough to Morrisons, but what a fag it is going to be going back and forth doing price comparisons before actually picking up the goods you need. I suspect that Sainsburys will easily be able to reduce their checkout queuing times compared to Morrisons (:o)) IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
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1:52pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Get a grip says...

This good news and I am happy.

OK I have just called the Estate Agent I will move out of Weymouth as soon as I can.
This good news and I am happy. OK I have just called the Estate Agent I will move out of Weymouth as soon as I can. Get a grip
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2:24pm Fri 22 Jun 12

malckam says...

Good news, lets make sure the roundabouts stay in place.
Good news, lets make sure the roundabouts stay in place. malckam
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2:37pm Fri 22 Jun 12

bootedsw says...

Great news another employer is moving into the town but surely we have enough supermarkets here already. Shame the council can't attract some service industry, mostly supermarkets only employ part time workforce.
Great news another employer is moving into the town but surely we have enough supermarkets here already. Shame the council can't attract some service industry, mostly supermarkets only employ part time workforce. bootedsw
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5:07pm Fri 22 Jun 12

scubadude says...

Good stuff and no roadworks required! (All the roads on that drawing are already there) WOOT!
Good stuff and no roadworks required! (All the roads on that drawing are already there) WOOT! scubadude
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5:39pm Fri 22 Jun 12

marabout says...

This is just another example of poor Olympic planning. If it wasn't for these blasted Olympics we wouldn't have to put up with this.
This is just another example of poor Olympic planning. If it wasn't for these blasted Olympics we wouldn't have to put up with this. marabout
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7:12pm Fri 22 Jun 12

ksmain says...

While it is good news for jobs, I cant honestly see where they are going to get business from. Sainsburys arent exactly cheap and given the lack of money around ...
While it is good news for jobs, I cant honestly see where they are going to get business from. Sainsburys arent exactly cheap and given the lack of money around ... ksmain
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7:22pm Fri 22 Jun 12

portlandboi says...

SAINSBURYS ARE A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ASDA/TESCO/MORRISONS HAPPPY HAPPPY DAYZ
SAINSBURYS ARE A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ASDA/TESCO/MORRISONS HAPPPY HAPPPY DAYZ portlandboi
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7:30pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Desk24 says...

Super, another place to get cat food and bananas.
Super, another place to get cat food and bananas. Desk24
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7:40pm Fri 22 Jun 12

billy badger says...

My word so many cheerful people in one place.What is wrong with you !
My word so many cheerful people in one place.What is wrong with you ! billy badger
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7:53pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

The way Weymouth's growing (and growth is a very bad word to me - and virtually the ONLY one politicians know..!!) and losing all its charms, I'm not surprised that so many LOCAL people want to ship out..!! Despite Mr CaMORON's recent statement that 'business are not the bad guys', the fact remains it's THEM who are destroying everything of beauty or worth on the planet, which is why my term for them, with a nod of acknowledgement to Mr Cobbett is 'The Great Slime'. I frequently ask on Facebook WHY politicians are forever pandering to The Great Slime, and the replies always mention money and backhanders - funny, that..!! A special friend in Pretoria said it's as if The Great Slime were spoilt kids, forever demanding "I want, I want, I want!!" She said what's needed is a stern parent figure to tell them "No, No, NO..!!!!"
The way Weymouth's growing (and growth is a very bad word to me - and virtually the ONLY one politicians know..!!) and losing all its charms, I'm not surprised that so many LOCAL people want to ship out..!! Despite Mr CaMORON's recent statement that 'business are not the bad guys', the fact remains it's THEM who are destroying everything of beauty or worth on the planet, which is why my term for them, with a nod of acknowledgement to Mr Cobbett is 'The Great Slime'. I frequently ask on Facebook WHY politicians are forever pandering to The Great Slime, and the replies always mention money and backhanders - funny, that..!! A special friend in Pretoria said it's as if The Great Slime were spoilt kids, forever demanding "I want, I want, I want!!" She said what's needed is a stern parent figure to tell them "No, No, NO..!!!!" Merlin of Britain
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8:03pm Fri 22 Jun 12

goldenarrow says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
monkeydog It is close enough to Morrisons, but what a fag it is going to be going back and forth doing price comparisons before actually picking up the goods you need. I suspect that Sainsburys will easily be able to reduce their checkout queuing times compared to Morrisons (:o))
what is the problem with morrisons ? every supermarket has queues even more so when it is busy and if it does not have any then it probably does not have many customers instore
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: monkeydog It is close enough to Morrisons, but what a fag it is going to be going back and forth doing price comparisons before actually picking up the goods you need. I suspect that Sainsburys will easily be able to reduce their checkout queuing times compared to Morrisons (:o))[/p][/quote]what is the problem with morrisons ? every supermarket has queues even more so when it is busy and if it does not have any then it probably does not have many customers instore goldenarrow
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8:49pm Fri 22 Jun 12

weymouthfox says...

Whoever shops at the new Sainsburys will be shopping in one of the existing supermarkets at the moment, so it is likely staff will be lost from other stores. We only have so much money and opening another supermarket only spreads the jam much more thinly.
Whoever shops at the new Sainsburys will be shopping in one of the existing supermarkets at the moment, so it is likely staff will be lost from other stores. We only have so much money and opening another supermarket only spreads the jam much more thinly. weymouthfox
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9:06pm Fri 22 Jun 12

annotator1 says...

The more, the better. Competition is a good way of driving prices down.
The more, the better. Competition is a good way of driving prices down. annotator1
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11:01pm Fri 22 Jun 12

malkie says...

annotator1 wrote:
The more, the better. Competition is a good way of driving prices down.
Unfortunately It's not local supply & demand that sets prices, the prices that these supermarkets charge is set by their head offices, so don't expect to see too much benefits to us locally. :-(
[quote][p][bold]annotator1[/bold] wrote: The more, the better. Competition is a good way of driving prices down.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately It's not local supply & demand that sets prices, the prices that these supermarkets charge is set by their head offices, so don't expect to see too much benefits to us locally. :-( malkie
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11:06pm Fri 22 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

annotator1 wrote:
The more, the better. Competition is a good way of driving prices down.
Might drive prices down, but means less money for those farming products etc.

Did anyone see Simon Reeves Indian Ocean series.

Majority of the worlds prawns come from Bangladesh, and the farmers there are on their less last legs due to supermarkets etc 'driving down' what they give them .
[quote][p][bold]annotator1[/bold] wrote: The more, the better. Competition is a good way of driving prices down.[/p][/quote]Might drive prices down, but means less money for those farming products etc. Did anyone see Simon Reeves Indian Ocean series. Majority of the worlds prawns come from Bangladesh, and the farmers there are on their less last legs due to supermarkets etc 'driving down' what they give them . ohcetesrod
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11:10pm Fri 22 Jun 12

ohcetesrod says...

ksmain wrote:
While it is good news for jobs, I cant honestly see where they are going to get business from. Sainsburys arent exactly cheap and given the lack of money around ...
There are many who have to watch pennies, but at the same time there are plenty who do live an extra few £££ in the bank.

Sainsburys know that, which is why they see an opening here.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: While it is good news for jobs, I cant honestly see where they are going to get business from. Sainsburys arent exactly cheap and given the lack of money around ...[/p][/quote]There are many who have to watch pennies, but at the same time there are plenty who do live an extra few £££ in the bank. Sainsburys know that, which is why they see an opening here. ohcetesrod
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11:16pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!!
Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!! Merlin of Britain
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11:20pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

People in the Junited Kingdom and Junited States of Amerika should remember what Paul & Anne Ehrlich said, back in the 1970s:

"When you hear a politician say that economics must come before Ecology - you're listening to an idiot..!!"
People in the Junited Kingdom and Junited States of Amerika should remember what Paul & Anne Ehrlich said, back in the 1970s: "When you hear a politician say that economics must come before Ecology - you're listening to an idiot..!!" Merlin of Britain
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11:47pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

goldenarrow
I shop at both Morrisons and ASDA and I have never seen queues in ASDA as long as those in Morrisons. The queues used to be as long when the site was owned by Safeways.
goldenarrow I shop at both Morrisons and ASDA and I have never seen queues in ASDA as long as those in Morrisons. The queues used to be as long when the site was owned by Safeways. IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
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1:31am Sat 23 Jun 12

Artstudent says...

How come I can comment on this story but not on the one about the potential destruction of the fleet to provide another road for the rich to get richer?
How come I can comment on this story but not on the one about the potential destruction of the fleet to provide another road for the rich to get richer? Artstudent
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9:00am Sat 23 Jun 12

ksmain says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!!
I'm not and no program would turn me into one.

Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something.
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!![/p][/quote]I'm not and no program would turn me into one. Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something. ksmain
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9:08am Sat 23 Jun 12

RobinofLocksley says...

Artstudent wrote:
How come I can comment on this story but not on the one about the potential destruction of the fleet to provide another road for the rich to get richer?
As to whether comments are allowed (or not), it does seem a bit haphazard. Sometimes there are fairly obvious legal reasons - a court case which is still in progress, for example - but there may be other explanations.
The article you mentioned is actually about a proposal for a development which would affect the road scheme. It might actually help the Fleet. (I'm being very optimistic here!)
[quote][p][bold]Artstudent[/bold] wrote: How come I can comment on this story but not on the one about the potential destruction of the fleet to provide another road for the rich to get richer?[/p][/quote]As to whether comments are allowed (or not), it does seem a bit haphazard. Sometimes there are fairly obvious legal reasons - a court case which is still in progress, for example - but there may be other explanations. The article you mentioned is actually about a proposal for a development which would affect the road scheme. It might actually help the Fleet. (I'm being very optimistic here!) RobinofLocksley
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9:38am Sat 23 Jun 12

Caption Sensible says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
People in the Junited Kingdom and Junited States of Amerika should remember what Paul & Anne Ehrlich said, back in the 1970s:

"When you hear a politician say that economics must come before Ecology - you're listening to an idiot..!!"
Question: Why is Paul Ehrlich, who has been proved so spectacularly wrong in his doomsday predictions (according to him we should all be dead by now), still held in such high regard by persons of a particular mindset?
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: People in the Junited Kingdom and Junited States of Amerika should remember what Paul & Anne Ehrlich said, back in the 1970s: "When you hear a politician say that economics must come before Ecology - you're listening to an idiot..!!"[/p][/quote]Question: Why is Paul Ehrlich, who has been proved so spectacularly wrong in his doomsday predictions (according to him we should all be dead by now), still held in such high regard by persons of a particular mindset? Caption Sensible
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9:43am Sat 23 Jun 12

Caption Sensible says...

With the way this area of town is growing into a business/commercial hub, and its close proximity to the park and ride, is it not time to lobby for a railway station in the area?
With the way this area of town is growing into a business/commercial hub, and its close proximity to the park and ride, is it not time to lobby for a railway station in the area? Caption Sensible
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10:08am Sat 23 Jun 12

monkeydog says...

ksmain wrote:
Merlin of Britain wrote:
Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!!
I'm not and no program would turn me into one.

Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something.
Vegetarianism is an emotional and complex issue. This sort of statement is remarkably trite, ignorant and unhelpful.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!![/p][/quote]I'm not and no program would turn me into one. Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something.[/p][/quote]Vegetarianism is an emotional and complex issue. This sort of statement is remarkably trite, ignorant and unhelpful. monkeydog
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10:31am Sat 23 Jun 12

dave.flowers says...

Brilliant, yet another supermarket for Weymouth, HELLO we are here in your county town of Dorchester, we have Tesco's, Lidls, Iceland, Coop and a very small Waitrose,
We are needing supermarkets not Weymouth.
Brilliant, yet another supermarket for Weymouth, HELLO we are here in your county town of Dorchester, we have Tesco's, Lidls, Iceland, Coop and a very small Waitrose, We are needing supermarkets not Weymouth. dave.flowers
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11:28am Sat 23 Jun 12

paddyash says...

sainsburys coffee is so much better than morrisons...just saying
sainsburys coffee is so much better than morrisons...just saying paddyash
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1:08pm Sat 23 Jun 12

ajp641 says...

I now live in an area that has Asda, Tesco, Morrison and Sainsbury as nearby choices for my weekly shop. Let me tell you now sainsbury's is by far the more expensive of these options no matter what any survey or lower price goods hype you get given, tells you. Although i will say in their defense they do have some fantastic quality ranges that i cannot get at the other 3. It will be popular for a while but like all new things its sells will die out when the need to shop more cheaply kicks in.
I now live in an area that has Asda, Tesco, Morrison and Sainsbury as nearby choices for my weekly shop. Let me tell you now sainsbury's is by far the more expensive of these options no matter what any survey or lower price goods hype you get given, tells you. Although i will say in their defense they do have some fantastic quality ranges that i cannot get at the other 3. It will be popular for a while but like all new things its sells will die out when the need to shop more cheaply kicks in. ajp641
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3:30pm Sat 23 Jun 12

twiglet1 says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
The way Weymouth's growing (and growth is a very bad word to me - and virtually the ONLY one politicians know..!!) and losing all its charms, I'm not surprised that so many LOCAL people want to ship out..!! Despite Mr CaMORON's recent statement that 'business are not the bad guys', the fact remains it's THEM who are destroying everything of beauty or worth on the planet, which is why my term for them, with a nod of acknowledgement to Mr Cobbett is 'The Great Slime'. I frequently ask on Facebook WHY politicians are forever pandering to The Great Slime, and the replies always mention money and backhanders - funny, that..!! A special friend in Pretoria said it's as if The Great Slime were spoilt kids, forever demanding "I want, I want, I want!!" She said what's needed is a stern parent figure to tell them "No, No, NO..!!!!"
What!
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: The way Weymouth's growing (and growth is a very bad word to me - and virtually the ONLY one politicians know..!!) and losing all its charms, I'm not surprised that so many LOCAL people want to ship out..!! Despite Mr CaMORON's recent statement that 'business are not the bad guys', the fact remains it's THEM who are destroying everything of beauty or worth on the planet, which is why my term for them, with a nod of acknowledgement to Mr Cobbett is 'The Great Slime'. I frequently ask on Facebook WHY politicians are forever pandering to The Great Slime, and the replies always mention money and backhanders - funny, that..!! A special friend in Pretoria said it's as if The Great Slime were spoilt kids, forever demanding "I want, I want, I want!!" She said what's needed is a stern parent figure to tell them "No, No, NO..!!!!"[/p][/quote]What! twiglet1
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4:58pm Sat 23 Jun 12

JamesYoung says...

monkeydog wrote:
ksmain wrote:
Merlin of Britain wrote:
Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!!
I'm not and no program would turn me into one.

Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something.
Vegetarianism is an emotional and complex issue. This sort of statement is remarkably trite, ignorant and unhelpful.
Nonetheless, it is also a fact that humans are predators. The decline in our health and growth of diseases such as cancer and heart disease have increased as we have moved away from natural whole foods - including healthy animal fats - and towards unhealthy vegetable oil, trans fats, simple carbohydrates and sugar laden foods. If humans were meant to be vegetarian, they wouldn't need supplements. So while none of us condone the poor treatment of farm animals, particularly in intensive rearing, to suggest that vegetarianism is the answer ignores several million years of human evolution.
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!![/p][/quote]I'm not and no program would turn me into one. Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something.[/p][/quote]Vegetarianism is an emotional and complex issue. This sort of statement is remarkably trite, ignorant and unhelpful.[/p][/quote]Nonetheless, it is also a fact that humans are predators. The decline in our health and growth of diseases such as cancer and heart disease have increased as we have moved away from natural whole foods - including healthy animal fats - and towards unhealthy vegetable oil, trans fats, simple carbohydrates and sugar laden foods. If humans were meant to be vegetarian, they wouldn't need supplements. So while none of us condone the poor treatment of farm animals, particularly in intensive rearing, to suggest that vegetarianism is the answer ignores several million years of human evolution. JamesYoung
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6:38pm Sat 23 Jun 12

ksmain says...

JamesYoung wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
ksmain wrote:
Merlin of Britain wrote:
Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!!
I'm not and no program would turn me into one.

Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something.
Vegetarianism is an emotional and complex issue. This sort of statement is remarkably trite, ignorant and unhelpful.
Nonetheless, it is also a fact that humans are predators. The decline in our health and growth of diseases such as cancer and heart disease have increased as we have moved away from natural whole foods - including healthy animal fats - and towards unhealthy vegetable oil, trans fats, simple carbohydrates and sugar laden foods. If humans were meant to be vegetarian, they wouldn't need supplements. So while none of us condone the poor treatment of farm animals, particularly in intensive rearing, to suggest that vegetarianism is the answer ignores several million years of human evolution.
Thanks James - the point I was trying to make - only I got accused of being ignorant for voicing my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: Great series - and very depressing - thankfully, I'm a vegetarian. So would everyone else be, if they saw the utter HORROR and SHEER BRUTALITY that is everyday life for much farm livestock, and ALL creatures going through the abbatoirs. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "HUMANE SLAUGHTER"..!! I knew it was bad, but joined Facebook last year and realise I didn't know a FRACTION of what it's all about. As for your Prawns, I FIRMLY believe that when we chimps go down to the sea, we should take NOTHING but photographs and leave NOTHING but gentle ripples in the water..!![/p][/quote]I'm not and no program would turn me into one. Remember, a lot of these animals wouldnt be about if they werent bred for food. And,if they werent they would always be prey for something.[/p][/quote]Vegetarianism is an emotional and complex issue. This sort of statement is remarkably trite, ignorant and unhelpful.[/p][/quote]Nonetheless, it is also a fact that humans are predators. The decline in our health and growth of diseases such as cancer and heart disease have increased as we have moved away from natural whole foods - including healthy animal fats - and towards unhealthy vegetable oil, trans fats, simple carbohydrates and sugar laden foods. If humans were meant to be vegetarian, they wouldn't need supplements. So while none of us condone the poor treatment of farm animals, particularly in intensive rearing, to suggest that vegetarianism is the answer ignores several million years of human evolution.[/p][/quote]Thanks James - the point I was trying to make - only I got accused of being ignorant for voicing my opinion. ksmain
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6:44pm Sat 23 Jun 12

Lala.Bonkers says...

well we've already got a Asda, Tesco, Morrisons, Iceland, Lidl and a couple of co-op's in Weymouth and Portland, why not add a Sainsburys, oh and while your at it, we'll have a Waitrose as well please. :)
well we've already got a Asda, Tesco, Morrisons, Iceland, Lidl and a couple of co-op's in Weymouth and Portland, why not add a Sainsburys, oh and while your at it, we'll have a Waitrose as well please. :) Lala.Bonkers
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7:03pm Sat 23 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

From time to time I see comments on Facebook to the effect that if we really WERE predators, we'd have fangs like Lions..!! An interesting thought. Males are also slammed from time to time for this weird macho attitude that a meal MUST include meat - as if you'd end up a totally weedy wimp if you didn't eat other living beings. I usually remind such people of that almost -extinct (thanks to the chinee..!!) animal - the Elephant..!! No-one's ever accused THEM of being weak..!! But the REAL argument against us being predators is one of the balance of Nature. Predators are ALWAYS outnumbered hundreds to one by their prey - thousands upon thousands of Wildebeeste and Zebras to a couple of score or so of Lions on the African plains..
From time to time I see comments on Facebook to the effect that if we really WERE predators, we'd have fangs like Lions..!! An interesting thought. Males are also slammed from time to time for this weird macho attitude that a meal MUST include meat - as if you'd end up a totally weedy wimp if you didn't eat other living beings. I usually remind such people of that almost -extinct (thanks to the chinee..!!) animal - the Elephant..!! No-one's ever accused THEM of being weak..!! But the REAL argument against us being predators is one of the balance of Nature. Predators are ALWAYS outnumbered hundreds to one by their prey - thousands upon thousands of Wildebeeste and Zebras to a couple of score or so of Lions on the African plains.. Merlin of Britain
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7:38pm Sat 23 Jun 12

ksmain says...

Can we get back to the topic please - this is about Sainsbury moving to Weymouth, not about the merits of being a vegetarian or a meat-eater. As humans we have teeth that act as fangs - incisors (present in any omnivorous animal).
Can we get back to the topic please - this is about Sainsbury moving to Weymouth, not about the merits of being a vegetarian or a meat-eater. As humans we have teeth that act as fangs - incisors (present in any omnivorous animal). ksmain
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7:39pm Sat 23 Jun 12

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

ksmain
You took the words right out of my meat-eating mouth!
ksmain You took the words right out of my meat-eating mouth! IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
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7:57pm Sat 23 Jun 12

JamesYoung says...

Ok, I'll see you at the meat counter :-).
Ok, I'll see you at the meat counter :-). JamesYoung
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8:00pm Sat 23 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

Yes - you're right, of course - about the topic. It was ohcetesrod's mention of Prawns that got me going. For the record, though, I used to subscribe to the predator idea, but there were those who seemed to think I had no right to take my bow or pump shotgun and set off after a Deer..!! I always believed in doing my OWN 'dirty work' :-)
Yes - you're right, of course - about the topic. It was ohcetesrod's mention of Prawns that got me going. For the record, though, I used to subscribe to the predator idea, but there were those who seemed to think I had no right to take my bow or pump shotgun and set off after a Deer..!! I always believed in doing my OWN 'dirty work' :-) Merlin of Britain
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8:01pm Sat 23 Jun 12

JamesYoung says...

Sainsburys is a pretty boring topic though?
Sainsburys is a pretty boring topic though? JamesYoung
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8:03pm Sat 23 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

You got THAT right, Jim boy..!!
You got THAT right, Jim boy..!! Merlin of Britain
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12:02am Sun 24 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

Stephanie Thigpin
‎"As omnivores, we may resent vegans for reminding us of the suffering we cause, for we’d rather be comfortable and keep all the ugliness hidden, but our comfort has nothing to do with justice or with authentic inner peace. It is the comfort of blocking out and disconnecting, and it comes with a terrible price. We may rationalize our meals by saying that we always thank the animal’s spirit for offering her body to nourish us. If someone were to lock us up, torture us, steal our children, and then stab us to death, would we acquiesce as long as they thanked our spirit?" Found this, unknown author. Wake up "omnivores" you are contributing to mass torture, death & destruction. Stop with your selfish behavior, the planet doesn't belong to you, you share it with other Earthlings! Try acting like the evolutionary success you claim to be, because I'm just not seeing it!
Stephanie Thigpin ‎"As omnivores, we may resent vegans for reminding us of the suffering we cause, for we’d rather be comfortable and keep all the ugliness hidden, but our comfort has nothing to do with justice or with authentic inner peace. It is the comfort of blocking out and disconnecting, and it comes with a terrible price. We may rationalize our meals by saying that we always thank the animal’s spirit for offering her body to nourish us. If someone were to lock us up, torture us, steal our children, and then stab us to death, would we acquiesce as long as they thanked our spirit?" Found this, unknown author. Wake up "omnivores" you are contributing to mass torture, death & destruction. Stop with your selfish behavior, the planet doesn't belong to you, you share it with other Earthlings! Try acting like the evolutionary success you claim to be, because I'm just not seeing it! Merlin of Britain
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10:21am Sun 24 Jun 12

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE says...

I wish that this talk about the apparent merits of not eating meat would stop - what have these rants got to do with the opening of a Sainsburys store?
I wish that this talk about the apparent merits of not eating meat would stop - what have these rants got to do with the opening of a Sainsburys store? IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
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11:42am Sun 24 Jun 12

Genghis says...

IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE wrote:
I wish that this talk about the apparent merits of not eating meat would stop - what have these rants got to do with the opening of a Sainsburys store?
IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE
, I can honestly say that for once I am 100% in agreement with you.
[quote][p][bold]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE[/bold] wrote: I wish that this talk about the apparent merits of not eating meat would stop - what have these rants got to do with the opening of a Sainsburys store?[/p][/quote]IDONTKNOWIFITISTRRUE , I can honestly say that for once I am 100% in agreement with you. Genghis
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5:06pm Sun 24 Jun 12

blobby96 says...

i blame the olympics!!
i blame the olympics!! blobby96
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5:06pm Sun 24 Jun 12

blobby96 says...

i blame the olympics!!
i blame the olympics!! blobby96
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12:30am Mon 25 Jun 12

Yellowcave says...

When they do promos for ideas like this, why do we not get an exact figure for real jobs created, ie full time 40 hr per week roles. That would be a much better yardstick to measure comparisons against.
As it stands many of the supermarket/hotel roles are part time. split shift or other such things which require the job holders to have more than one job or to be subsidised by benefits if they are to survive as the main breadwinner in a family.

The other thing that puzzles me, having lived here some time, is that back when planners knew the area, some schemes and proposals were turned down because of the lack of resources. The new outfall pipes went in and developments have increased manyfold, however as far as i am aware there is still no new source of water and the amount already taken from the rivers was causing problems. Have things changed or will be soon be like these foreign countries where everyone has to buy bottled water?

how come there is still no preview comment facility? Fairly trivial to implement.
When they do promos for ideas like this, why do we not get an exact figure for real jobs created, ie full time 40 hr per week roles. That would be a much better yardstick to measure comparisons against. As it stands many of the supermarket/hotel roles are part time. split shift or other such things which require the job holders to have more than one job or to be subsidised by benefits if they are to survive as the main breadwinner in a family. The other thing that puzzles me, having lived here some time, is that back when planners knew the area, some schemes and proposals were turned down because of the lack of resources. The new outfall pipes went in and developments have increased manyfold, however as far as i am aware there is still no new source of water and the amount already taken from the rivers was causing problems. Have things changed or will be soon be like these foreign countries where everyone has to buy bottled water? how come there is still no preview comment facility? Fairly trivial to implement. Yellowcave
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8:43am Mon 25 Jun 12

Nan 60 says...

what about Wyke and Portland.
what about Wyke and Portland. Nan 60
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10:17am Mon 25 Jun 12

paulsc11 says...

Hi
I worked for sainsburys for a few years fantasic employers from experience move to weymouth meant I had to leave them but in my years working there they used to publish grocery magazine each month with a typical shopping basket and sainsburys were often one of the cheapest although not all the time and often aldi lidl etc were more expensive , certain products are decreased and increased in all supermarkets to make you think you have a better deal. Try sainsburys the quality is much better IMAO thanks
Hi I worked for sainsburys for a few years fantasic employers from experience move to weymouth meant I had to leave them but in my years working there they used to publish grocery magazine each month with a typical shopping basket and sainsburys were often one of the cheapest although not all the time and often aldi lidl etc were more expensive , certain products are decreased and increased in all supermarkets to make you think you have a better deal. Try sainsburys the quality is much better IMAO thanks paulsc11
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10:20am Mon 25 Jun 12

paulsc11 says...

imho
imho paulsc11
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10:26am Mon 25 Jun 12

SILVERMAN says...

Caption Sensible wrote:
With the way this area of town is growing into a business/commercial hub, and its close proximity to the park and ride, is it not time to lobby for a railway station in the area?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...........
[quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: With the way this area of town is growing into a business/commercial hub, and its close proximity to the park and ride, is it not time to lobby for a railway station in the area?[/p][/quote]HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA........... SILVERMAN
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10:31am Mon 25 Jun 12

SILVERMAN says...

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS...."Vice President of the Weymouth and Portland Chamber of Commerce Julie Cleaver said that the chamber had backed the project from the beginning.

She said: “We thought from the very beginning it was needed in Weymouth in terms of giving customers choice and to bring jobs to the town.”

She added: “I think to have a third competitor in the town would be great.”
a THIRD competitor? Which town is she talking about? We already have three
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS...."Vice President of the Weymouth and Portland Chamber of Commerce Julie Cleaver said that the chamber had backed the project from the beginning. She said: “We thought from the very beginning it was needed in Weymouth in terms of giving customers choice and to bring jobs to the town.” She added: “I think to have a third competitor in the town would be great.” a THIRD competitor? Which town is she talking about? We already have three SILVERMAN
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1:58pm Mon 25 Jun 12

Saddler says...

the relief road gives quick access between Dorchester and Weymouth allowing people to choose. Unfortunately for Weymouth we will have little to match the development on the old brewery site and I think we could loose the only decent chain shop in town, Debenhams.
the relief road gives quick access between Dorchester and Weymouth allowing people to choose. Unfortunately for Weymouth we will have little to match the development on the old brewery site and I think we could loose the only decent chain shop in town, Debenhams. Saddler
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5:04pm Mon 25 Jun 12

I'mavoter says...

dave.flowers wrote:
Brilliant, yet another supermarket for Weymouth, HELLO we are here in your county town of Dorchester, we have Tesco's, Lidls, Iceland, Coop and a very small Waitrose,
We are needing supermarkets not Weymouth.
Waitrose are building a big new store in Dorchester, try and keep up ! (lol)
[quote][p][bold]dave.flowers[/bold] wrote: Brilliant, yet another supermarket for Weymouth, HELLO we are here in your county town of Dorchester, we have Tesco's, Lidls, Iceland, Coop and a very small Waitrose, We are needing supermarkets not Weymouth.[/p][/quote]Waitrose are building a big new store in Dorchester, try and keep up ! (lol) I'mavoter
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7:24pm Mon 25 Jun 12

ksmain says...

Must admit that although I live in Weymouth, I work in Dorchester and I have been going to Lidl in Dorchester every Friday night after work. the Dorchester Lidl is twice the size of the Weymouth one and has much greater choice.

I have found that since doing so that our weekly shopping bill for the 3 of us has reduced by £25 on what from ASDA/Morrisons was an £80 weekly shop. I very much suspect that Sainsbury wont be able to better that and I cant say that any of these other stores are any better in quality either.
Must admit that although I live in Weymouth, I work in Dorchester and I have been going to Lidl in Dorchester every Friday night after work. the Dorchester Lidl is twice the size of the Weymouth one and has much greater choice. I have found that since doing so that our weekly shopping bill for the 3 of us has reduced by £25 on what from ASDA/Morrisons was an £80 weekly shop. I very much suspect that Sainsbury wont be able to better that and I cant say that any of these other stores are any better in quality either. ksmain
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11:24pm Mon 25 Jun 12

JamesYoung says...

Great meat in Lidl too.
Just saying.
Had a five minute break from a programme describing how millions of acres of forest are being burnt down and orangutans immolated to provide palm oil for vegetarians.
Anyway, Sainsburys....bwahah
aha
Great meat in Lidl too. Just saying. Had a five minute break from a programme describing how millions of acres of forest are being burnt down and orangutans immolated to provide palm oil for vegetarians. Anyway, Sainsburys....bwahah aha JamesYoung
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7:49am Tue 26 Jun 12

Caption Sensible says...

SILVERMAN wrote:
Caption Sensible wrote: With the way this area of town is growing into a business/commercial hub, and its close proximity to the park and ride, is it not time to lobby for a railway station in the area?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...........
Choo! Choo!
[quote][p][bold]SILVERMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caption Sensible[/bold] wrote: With the way this area of town is growing into a business/commercial hub, and its close proximity to the park and ride, is it not time to lobby for a railway station in the area?[/p][/quote]HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...........[/p][/quote]Choo! Choo! Caption Sensible
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3:24pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

Oh dear - are we still on the vegetarians versus the murderers bit..?? Re the palm oil - I pointed out to my Facebook following that we arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee vermin NEVER give back a single inch we have stolen from The Others (those other 10 million known species who ALSO call planet Earth home), so, even if everyone on the planet boycotted anything containing palm oil, the Slime who destroyed the rainforest would simply come up with some other crop. The ONLY answer is to flatline anyone found clearing forests or other habitats AND those financing our planet's destruction. Given the race of the former and the religion (so-called) of the latter, I do not think the Natural World would mourn their loss..!!
As for our local situation, the land once in the charge of the Miller farming family has largely been trashed, courtesy of Weymouth Council, for the convenience of The Great Slime ("business"). As a child, I enjoyed, as did many others living in the Beaumont, Weymouth Bay and Haywards Avenues area, exploring this whole section including Two-Mile Copse and all the fields that lay between that woodland and the end of the built-up area marked by Hetherly Road and St Andrews Avenue. There were fields in the Manor Road area nearby, where one could practice archery or, for the less demanding/imaginativ
e, play with balls, and all manner of intriguing little nooks and corners - including "Ma Miller's" Donkey field - where a NORMAL child could be with Nature. Where are the children to go now - or doesn't THAT matter, either..??
Oh dear - are we still on the vegetarians versus the murderers bit..?? Re the palm oil - I pointed out to my Facebook following that we arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee vermin NEVER give back a single inch we have stolen from The Others (those other 10 million known species who ALSO call planet Earth home), so, even if everyone on the planet boycotted anything containing palm oil, the Slime who destroyed the rainforest would simply come up with some other crop. The ONLY answer is to flatline anyone found clearing forests or other habitats AND those financing our planet's destruction. Given the race of the former and the religion (so-called) of the latter, I do not think the Natural World would mourn their loss..!! As for our local situation, the land once in the charge of the Miller farming family has largely been trashed, courtesy of Weymouth Council, for the convenience of The Great Slime ("business"). As a child, I enjoyed, as did many others living in the Beaumont, Weymouth Bay and Haywards Avenues area, exploring this whole section including Two-Mile Copse and all the fields that lay between that woodland and the end of the built-up area marked by Hetherly Road and St Andrews Avenue. There were fields in the Manor Road area nearby, where one could practice archery or, for the less demanding/imaginativ e, play with balls, and all manner of intriguing little nooks and corners - including "Ma Miller's" Donkey field - where a NORMAL child could be with Nature. Where are the children to go now - or doesn't THAT matter, either..?? Merlin of Britain
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9:16pm Tue 26 Jun 12

ksmain says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
Oh dear - are we still on the vegetarians versus the murderers bit..?? Re the palm oil - I pointed out to my Facebook following that we arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee vermin NEVER give back a single inch we have stolen from The Others (those other 10 million known species who ALSO call planet Earth home), so, even if everyone on the planet boycotted anything containing palm oil, the Slime who destroyed the rainforest would simply come up with some other crop. The ONLY answer is to flatline anyone found clearing forests or other habitats AND those financing our planet's destruction. Given the race of the former and the religion (so-called) of the latter, I do not think the Natural World would mourn their loss..!! As for our local situation, the land once in the charge of the Miller farming family has largely been trashed, courtesy of Weymouth Council, for the convenience of The Great Slime ("business"). As a child, I enjoyed, as did many others living in the Beaumont, Weymouth Bay and Haywards Avenues area, exploring this whole section including Two-Mile Copse and all the fields that lay between that woodland and the end of the built-up area marked by Hetherly Road and St Andrews Avenue. There were fields in the Manor Road area nearby, where one could practice archery or, for the less demanding/imaginativ e, play with balls, and all manner of intriguing little nooks and corners - including "Ma Miller's" Donkey field - where a NORMAL child could be with Nature. Where are the children to go now - or doesn't THAT matter, either..??
There is so much contradiction in the above I dont really know where to start - so I wont bother.

I presume that nothing in your home, life, etc involves at any stage being made by a business 'green slime' as you refer to them??? I mean everything that you surround yourself with, what you wear, what you eat and the computer that you post constantly on Facebook will have been made by a 'Green Slime' at some point in the chain (though there would be no 'Facebook' without computers of course).

Oh and why are meat eaters murderers by the way? There is NOTHING WRONG with eating meat. I mean vegetation was a living thing at some stage before it was killed for your enjoyment.

I presume that you are not intending using Sainsburys then.
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: Oh dear - are we still on the vegetarians versus the murderers bit..?? Re the palm oil - I pointed out to my Facebook following that we arrogant, aberrant chimpanzee vermin NEVER give back a single inch we have stolen from The Others (those other 10 million known species who ALSO call planet Earth home), so, even if everyone on the planet boycotted anything containing palm oil, the Slime who destroyed the rainforest would simply come up with some other crop. The ONLY answer is to flatline anyone found clearing forests or other habitats AND those financing our planet's destruction. Given the race of the former and the religion (so-called) of the latter, I do not think the Natural World would mourn their loss..!! As for our local situation, the land once in the charge of the Miller farming family has largely been trashed, courtesy of Weymouth Council, for the convenience of The Great Slime ("business"). As a child, I enjoyed, as did many others living in the Beaumont, Weymouth Bay and Haywards Avenues area, exploring this whole section including Two-Mile Copse and all the fields that lay between that woodland and the end of the built-up area marked by Hetherly Road and St Andrews Avenue. There were fields in the Manor Road area nearby, where one could practice archery or, for the less demanding/imaginativ e, play with balls, and all manner of intriguing little nooks and corners - including "Ma Miller's" Donkey field - where a NORMAL child could be with Nature. Where are the children to go now - or doesn't THAT matter, either..??[/p][/quote]There is so much contradiction in the above I dont really know where to start - so I wont bother. I presume that nothing in your home, life, etc involves at any stage being made by a business 'green slime' as you refer to them??? I mean everything that you surround yourself with, what you wear, what you eat and the computer that you post constantly on Facebook will have been made by a 'Green Slime' at some point in the chain (though there would be no 'Facebook' without computers of course). Oh and why are meat eaters murderers by the way? There is NOTHING WRONG with eating meat. I mean vegetation was a living thing at some stage before it was killed for your enjoyment. I presume that you are not intending using Sainsburys then. ksmain
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10:02pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

When that **** Sainsbury said in parliament in the 1970s that the British Public were just going to have to get used to paying more for food, he lost any support I may have felt inclined to give..!! If you'd seen what I've seen on the internet you wouldn't say that there was nothing wrong with eating meat - you'd either be off it for life or you'd have a serious lack of empathy with a fellow being. "Fur and feather and scale and skin - different without, but the same within. Many of body, but one of soul - through all creatures are the gods made whole." (Chorus of a much-loved Amerikan Pagan song.) Meat eaters are only murderers in the sense that someone who puts out a contract on someone else would be. And by the way, the term I coined was "The Great Slime" - those nice folks who are busy dismantling all the life-support systems of this planet, exterminating species of FAR greater beauty/scientific interest/charisma than themselves, and who enthral their own species as wage-slaves for THEIR profit..
It is notable that the sneering criticisms I find from SO MANY locals are well outweighed by plaudits from many international friends. PS of Sweden: "Your post was right on the nail again - as usual.!"
JF to ST of Sacramento: " Isn't that what we love about M----- so much, ST, that she has the Mind so Correctly Centered that nothing else, no-one else ever comes as close as she does, why I have been so happy in having her as my friend..we use the same eyes to see out of, her and I..
ST: Agree, James F, she speaks my exact thoughts, much more eloquently than I, we are of such like mind and she does not give a flying f*** what other people think and that is why I LOVE her.!!!" James F is Italian, I suspect, and ST is a 57 yr old Californian grandmother....
When that **** Sainsbury said in parliament in the 1970s that the British Public were just going to have to get used to paying more for food, he lost any support I may have felt inclined to give..!! If you'd seen what I've seen on the internet you wouldn't say that there was nothing wrong with eating meat - you'd either be off it for life or you'd have a serious lack of empathy with a fellow being. "Fur and feather and scale and skin - different without, but the same within. Many of body, but one of soul - through all creatures are the gods made whole." (Chorus of a much-loved Amerikan Pagan song.) Meat eaters are only murderers in the sense that someone who puts out a contract on someone else would be. And by the way, the term I coined was "The Great Slime" - those nice folks who are busy dismantling all the life-support systems of this planet, exterminating species of FAR greater beauty/scientific interest/charisma than themselves, and who enthral their own species as wage-slaves for THEIR profit.. It is notable that the sneering criticisms I find from SO MANY locals are well outweighed by plaudits from many international friends. PS of Sweden: "Your post was right on the nail again - as usual.!" JF to ST of Sacramento: " Isn't that what we love about M----- so much, ST, that she has the Mind so Correctly Centered that nothing else, no-one else ever comes as close as she does, why I have been so happy in having her as my friend..we use the same eyes to see out of, her and I.. ST: Agree, James F, she speaks my exact thoughts, much more eloquently than I, we are of such like mind and she does not give a flying f*** what other people think and that is why I LOVE her.!!!" James F is Italian, I suspect, and ST is a 57 yr old Californian grandmother.... Merlin of Britain
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10:23pm Tue 26 Jun 12

ksmain says...

Methinks you spend too much time on the Internet, - you need to get out more.

Sadly the Internet is full of misinformation/indoc
trination, etc
Methinks you spend too much time on the Internet, - you need to get out more. Sadly the Internet is full of misinformation/indoc trination, etc ksmain
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10:35pm Tue 26 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

Methinks a lot of these comments made by some people,should not get out more,but actually stay in,and wait for the men in white coats to come along.
Methinks a lot of these comments made by some people,should not get out more,but actually stay in,and wait for the men in white coats to come along. jmc1
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11:17pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..??
"Full many a gem of purest ray serene
The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flower is born to blush unseen
And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!!
I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..?? "Full many a gem of purest ray serene The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear: Full many a flower is born to blush unseen And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!! Merlin of Britain
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12:19am Wed 27 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..??
"Full many a gem of purest ray serene
The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flower is born to blush unseen
And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!!
Wasn't exactly picking on your comment but a lot of comments in general.
You say you have a high IQ belong to Mensa and so on,don't think that's much to bang on about,if you look back in history you will find that most of so called geniuses,we're as mad as hell.Newton.Poe.van Gogh,and the list goes on.
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..?? "Full many a gem of purest ray serene The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear: Full many a flower is born to blush unseen And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!![/p][/quote]Wasn't exactly picking on your comment but a lot of comments in general. You say you have a high IQ belong to Mensa and so on,don't think that's much to bang on about,if you look back in history you will find that most of so called geniuses,we're as mad as hell.Newton.Poe.van Gogh,and the list goes on. jmc1
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1:18am Wed 27 Jun 12

ksmain says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..??
"Full many a gem of purest ray serene
The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flower is born to blush unseen
And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!!
Congrats on your intelligence!! Why would an intelligent person be desirous of going out more? - to broaden their horizons and add a practical fact based dimension gained by actual experience maybe?

Philosophers - not really my bag I'm afraid. Too much waffle not offering a practical solution IMO.

I'm always wary of people who say they are invariably right - have found that often not to be the case.
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..?? "Full many a gem of purest ray serene The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear: Full many a flower is born to blush unseen And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!![/p][/quote]Congrats on your intelligence!! Why would an intelligent person be desirous of going out more? - to broaden their horizons and add a practical fact based dimension gained by actual experience maybe? Philosophers - not really my bag I'm afraid. Too much waffle not offering a practical solution IMO. I'm always wary of people who say they are invariably right - have found that often not to be the case. ksmain
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11:33am Wed 27 Jun 12

Jello Biafra says...

And the calf that you carve with a smile
Is MURDER
And the turkey you festively slice
Is MURDER
Do you know how animals die ?


Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
It's not "comforting", cheery or kind
It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of MURDER


It's not "natural", "normal" or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of MURDER
And the calf that you carve with a smile Is MURDER And the turkey you festively slice Is MURDER Do you know how animals die ? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of MURDER It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savour the flavour Of MURDER Jello Biafra
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1:15pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Hedgehogspring says...

portlandboi wrote:
SAINSBURYS ARE A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ASDA/TESCO/MORRISONS HAPPPY HAPPPY DAYZ
Oh no they're not.....wait til it opens and you will soon see. It is the worst of the big supermarkets. Badly managed, queues are usually huge and customer service has not been included in the staff training. Stick to Morrisons.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboi[/bold] wrote: SAINSBURYS ARE A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ASDA/TESCO/MORRISONS HAPPPY HAPPPY DAYZ[/p][/quote]Oh no they're not.....wait til it opens and you will soon see. It is the worst of the big supermarkets. Badly managed, queues are usually huge and customer service has not been included in the staff training. Stick to Morrisons. Hedgehogspring
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1:25pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Hedgehogspring says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
From time to time I see comments on Facebook to the effect that if we really WERE predators, we'd have fangs like Lions..!! An interesting thought. Males are also slammed from time to time for this weird macho attitude that a meal MUST include meat - as if you'd end up a totally weedy wimp if you didn't eat other living beings. I usually remind such people of that almost -extinct (thanks to the chinee..!!) animal - the Elephant..!! No-one's ever accused THEM of being weak..!! But the REAL argument against us being predators is one of the balance of Nature. Predators are ALWAYS outnumbered hundreds to one by their prey - thousands upon thousands of Wildebeeste and Zebras to a couple of score or so of Lions on the African plains..
Sainsbury's don't sell Wildebeeste though..
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: From time to time I see comments on Facebook to the effect that if we really WERE predators, we'd have fangs like Lions..!! An interesting thought. Males are also slammed from time to time for this weird macho attitude that a meal MUST include meat - as if you'd end up a totally weedy wimp if you didn't eat other living beings. I usually remind such people of that almost -extinct (thanks to the chinee..!!) animal - the Elephant..!! No-one's ever accused THEM of being weak..!! But the REAL argument against us being predators is one of the balance of Nature. Predators are ALWAYS outnumbered hundreds to one by their prey - thousands upon thousands of Wildebeeste and Zebras to a couple of score or so of Lions on the African plains..[/p][/quote]Sainsbury's don't sell Wildebeeste though.. Hedgehogspring
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1:36pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Hedgehogspring says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..??
"Full many a gem of purest ray serene
The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flower is born to blush unseen
And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!!
'king hell !!
This is the most off topic post I have ever seen in my life....
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: I'm quite sure I have no idea as to whom you are referring, but MY IQ is exactly the equal of Carol Vordermann - midway between Very Superior Intellect and Genius (I checked it once myself with MENSA tests, and a professional also tested it and arrived at the same conclusion.) I wonder how many books each of my pathetic Weymouth critics owns and reads - probably fewer than 10, I shouldn't wonder. I have more than three times that number, just on American Indians, about twice that number on Ancient Greece and the Minoans, probably 60 on birds, dozens on the beautiful country we used to have around 1900, before population levels went through the roof, several dozen on military subjects and training manuals, and scores more on mammals, reptiles, flora, marine life, insects, scorpions, art, antiques and ethics and philosophy (YOU'VE probably never heard of Peter Singer..!!), so why would any intelligent person be desirous of 'going out more'..?? To listen to a bunch of unread dingbats in a bar who know diddley-squat about ANYTHING..?? I think not, indeed - at least many of my friends on FB are intelligent, rational, THINKING and well-informed. THEY, at least, can see what others apparently cannot - that time INVARIABLY proves me right. Which is why I AM the Merlin .... But I see that my Wisdom is wasted on such dullards as are to be found patronising these comments threads. And besides, I have wielded the pen for long enough now, and find myself wearying of it. What was it one of your poets, Thomas Gray said in verse 14 of his Elegy..?? "Full many a gem of purest ray serene The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear: Full many a flower is born to blush unseen And waste its sweetness on the desert air." .... Says it all, really..!![/p][/quote]'king hell !! This is the most off topic post I have ever seen in my life.... Hedgehogspring
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1:43pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

Anyone curious about real philosophy could probably do no better than to read "Practical Ethics" by Peter Singer. It's required reading on some University courses, and Singer is of world renown as an ethicist. His beautifully-crafted arguments are inspiring, instructive and a justification for those with fully-functional brains to take some pride in being of the species Homo SAPIENS, rather than the sadly more numerous subspecies I named last year: Homo horribilis ignoramus..
Anyone curious about real philosophy could probably do no better than to read "Practical Ethics" by Peter Singer. It's required reading on some University courses, and Singer is of world renown as an ethicist. His beautifully-crafted arguments are inspiring, instructive and a justification for those with fully-functional brains to take some pride in being of the species Homo SAPIENS, rather than the sadly more numerous subspecies I named last year: Homo horribilis ignoramus.. Merlin of Britain
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2:32pm Wed 27 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
Anyone curious about real philosophy could probably do no better than to read "Practical Ethics" by Peter Singer. It's required reading on some University courses, and Singer is of world renown as an ethicist. His beautifully-crafted arguments are inspiring, instructive and a justification for those with fully-functional brains to take some pride in being of the species Homo SAPIENS, rather than the sadly more numerous subspecies I named last year: Homo horribilis ignoramus..
Is this the same Peter Singer that was booed of stage in a few places and there was an article in Der Spiegel comparing Singer's positions to Nazism.
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: Anyone curious about real philosophy could probably do no better than to read "Practical Ethics" by Peter Singer. It's required reading on some University courses, and Singer is of world renown as an ethicist. His beautifully-crafted arguments are inspiring, instructive and a justification for those with fully-functional brains to take some pride in being of the species Homo SAPIENS, rather than the sadly more numerous subspecies I named last year: Homo horribilis ignoramus..[/p][/quote]Is this the same Peter Singer that was booed of stage in a few places and there was an article in Der Spiegel comparing Singer's positions to Nazism. jmc1
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3:29pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

If you read the appendix to Singer's "Practical Ethics", you will see that the incidents to which you refer took place in the course of his lecture at the University of Dortmund, on the subject "Do severely disabled newborn infants have a right to life..?" He says:
"My intention in these lectures was to defend a view for which I have argued in several previously published works: that the parents of severely disabled newborn infants should be able to decide, together with their physician, whether their infant should live or die. If the parents and their medical adviser are in agreement that the infant's life will be so miserable or so devoid of minimal satisfactions that it would be inhumane or futile to prolong life, then they should be allowed to ensure that death comes about speedily and without suffering." He then goes on to enumerate a number of conditions he considers should be covered by this principle, such as trisomy 18, anencephaly, and very severe forms of spina bifida. I DO hope no-one else has a serious problem with Prof. Singer's HIGHLY compassionate stance in this very difficult area of philosophy..??
If you read the appendix to Singer's "Practical Ethics", you will see that the incidents to which you refer took place in the course of his lecture at the University of Dortmund, on the subject "Do severely disabled newborn infants have a right to life..?" He says: "My intention in these lectures was to defend a view for which I have argued in several previously published works: that the parents of severely disabled newborn infants should be able to decide, together with their physician, whether their infant should live or die. If the parents and their medical adviser are in agreement that the infant's life will be so miserable or so devoid of minimal satisfactions that it would be inhumane or futile to prolong life, then they should be allowed to ensure that death comes about speedily and without suffering." He then goes on to enumerate a number of conditions he considers should be covered by this principle, such as trisomy 18, anencephaly, and very severe forms of spina bifida. I DO hope no-one else has a serious problem with Prof. Singer's HIGHLY compassionate stance in this very difficult area of philosophy..?? Merlin of Britain
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6:04pm Wed 27 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

Regardless what you say to defend him,a German paper comparing his position to Nazism,cannot simply swept under the table.Its a bit strange how them sort of people seem to think that whatever they say they are always right.
Nobody can tell what's round the corner regarding medical sciences ,can you imagine a parent following his advice and aborting a baby,then finding out in one two or ten years that that person could be cured.
I can see wher Der Spiegel is coming from.
Regardless what you say to defend him,a German paper comparing his position to Nazism,cannot simply swept under the table.Its a bit strange how them sort of people seem to think that whatever they say they are always right. Nobody can tell what's round the corner regarding medical sciences ,can you imagine a parent following his advice and aborting a baby,then finding out in one two or ten years that that person could be cured. I can see wher Der Spiegel is coming from. jmc1
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6:46pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

By "Them sort of people", are we to understand you mean people who are well-educated and learned and therefore think things through from a well-informed standpoint..?? And as for future cures, I don't think anencephaly (no brain present) is likely to be rectified anytime soon. As for trisomy, my dictionary defines the condition as "having one chromosome of the set represented three times in an otherwise diploid organism, cell, et ketera.." We all know the effects of just having ONE extra chromosome - what was known, somewhat unkindly to ethnic Mongols - as mongolism. I am no MD, but trisomy 18 sounds considerably worse even than that..!!
By "Them sort of people", are we to understand you mean people who are well-educated and learned and therefore think things through from a well-informed standpoint..?? And as for future cures, I don't think anencephaly (no brain present) is likely to be rectified anytime soon. As for trisomy, my dictionary defines the condition as "having one chromosome of the set represented three times in an otherwise diploid organism, cell, et ketera.." We all know the effects of just having ONE extra chromosome - what was known, somewhat unkindly to ethnic Mongols - as mongolism. I am no MD, but trisomy 18 sounds considerably worse even than that..!! Merlin of Britain
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6:50pm Wed 27 Jun 12

ksmain says...

Jello Biafra wrote:
And the calf that you carve with a smile
Is MURDER
And the turkey you festively slice
Is MURDER
Do you know how animals die ?


Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
It's not "comforting", cheery or kind
It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of MURDER


It's not "natural", "normal" or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of MURDER
What a lot of tosh.

Just how many acres of land have been torn up and animals habitats have been destroyed to provide you with your meals?

Being a vegetarian is no more meritorious than a being an omnivore - your eating habits still affect other species.

This isnt you Merlin posting as someone else is it?
[quote][p][bold]Jello Biafra[/bold] wrote: And the calf that you carve with a smile Is MURDER And the turkey you festively slice Is MURDER Do you know how animals die ? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of MURDER It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savour the flavour Of MURDER[/p][/quote]What a lot of tosh. Just how many acres of land have been torn up and animals habitats have been destroyed to provide you with your meals? Being a vegetarian is no more meritorious than a being an omnivore - your eating habits still affect other species. This isnt you Merlin posting as someone else is it? ksmain
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7:12pm Wed 27 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
By "Them sort of people", are we to understand you mean people who are well-educated and learned and therefore think things through from a well-informed standpoint..?? And as for future cures, I don't think anencephaly (no brain present) is likely to be rectified anytime soon. As for trisomy, my dictionary defines the condition as "having one chromosome of the set represented three times in an otherwise diploid organism, cell, et ketera.." We all know the effects of just having ONE extra chromosome - what was known, somewhat unkindly to ethnic Mongols - as mongolism. I am no MD, but trisomy 18 sounds considerably worse even than that..!!
There you go again,you cannot say what's going to happen in future medical science,regardless whether it's a full brain half a brain or no brain,you just don't know.
Your comment, I'm no MD.Well we can all breathe a sigh of relief for that.Stick to serving chips in McDonalds.
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: By "Them sort of people", are we to understand you mean people who are well-educated and learned and therefore think things through from a well-informed standpoint..?? And as for future cures, I don't think anencephaly (no brain present) is likely to be rectified anytime soon. As for trisomy, my dictionary defines the condition as "having one chromosome of the set represented three times in an otherwise diploid organism, cell, et ketera.." We all know the effects of just having ONE extra chromosome - what was known, somewhat unkindly to ethnic Mongols - as mongolism. I am no MD, but trisomy 18 sounds considerably worse even than that..!![/p][/quote]There you go again,you cannot say what's going to happen in future medical science,regardless whether it's a full brain half a brain or no brain,you just don't know. Your comment, I'm no MD.Well we can all breathe a sigh of relief for that.Stick to serving chips in McDonalds. jmc1
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8:06pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Under35andout says...

i could do with a delivery job ...
i could do with a delivery job ... Under35andout
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9:44pm Wed 27 Jun 12

radiator says...

If one belongs to Mensa does that mean they can fit upvc windows or am I getting mixed up with something else?
If one belongs to Mensa does that mean they can fit upvc windows or am I getting mixed up with something else? radiator
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10:05pm Wed 27 Jun 12

ksmain says...

I dont know Merlin - you read Singer and find him 'inspiring' yet he advocates killing (however merciful) of human beings (animals) and yet you berate omnivore meat eaters for killing animals.

There is a word for this - it starts with 'hy' and ends in 'pocracy'.
I dont know Merlin - you read Singer and find him 'inspiring' yet he advocates killing (however merciful) of human beings (animals) and yet you berate omnivore meat eaters for killing animals. There is a word for this - it starts with 'hy' and ends in 'pocracy'. ksmain
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10:05pm Wed 27 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

Not quite,I think they can tell you the ingredients of a bottle of Guinness,but they have trouble opening it.
To much of a mountain to climb with upvc windows.
Not quite,I think they can tell you the ingredients of a bottle of Guinness,but they have trouble opening it. To much of a mountain to climb with upvc windows. jmc1
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10:13pm Wed 27 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

The trouble with so called educated people like a lot of our MPs,is that they have O/A/Degree levels coming out of every orifice in there bodies,but common sense is absolute zero and that's the frighten part.
The trouble with so called educated people like a lot of our MPs,is that they have O/A/Degree levels coming out of every orifice in there bodies,but common sense is absolute zero and that's the frighten part. jmc1
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10:49pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

In answer to question above, no, so far I have not posted anything under any other 'handle'. Secondly, what I said in an earlier post was not meant to imply that I have at ANY time belonged to MENSA - I haven't, although several people I've met have said I ought to consider joining, but I'm not really interested. Life's too short, and I now have only a little over --- months to go..
@ ksmain: I have a vastly different approach to hominid life than Prof. Singer - my view is that our vermin species has lost the right to be dignified with the term 'Animal'. It seems rather a shame to say this, given that probably at least .001% of us do not deserve it, but total annihilation of our species from the face of the Earth would be a REAL blessing to the planet. Many people I know call hominids (REAL Human Beings, you will recall, were murdered, swindled, robbed and raped in North Amerika by The Great Slime from Europe) by a variety of names, none of which are complimentary: cancer, pestilence, virus, scum, infestation.. but I expect you will get the general drift.
In answer to question above, no, so far I have not posted anything under any other 'handle'. Secondly, what I said in an earlier post was not meant to imply that I have at ANY time belonged to MENSA - I haven't, although several people I've met have said I ought to consider joining, but I'm not really interested. Life's too short, and I now have only a little over --- months to go.. @ ksmain: I have a vastly different approach to hominid life than Prof. Singer - my view is that our vermin species has lost the right to be dignified with the term 'Animal'. It seems rather a shame to say this, given that probably at least .001% of us do not deserve it, but total annihilation of our species from the face of the Earth would be a REAL blessing to the planet. Many people I know call hominids (REAL Human Beings, you will recall, were murdered, swindled, robbed and raped in North Amerika by The Great Slime from Europe) by a variety of names, none of which are complimentary: cancer, pestilence, virus, scum, infestation.. but I expect you will get the general drift. Merlin of Britain
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10:04am Thu 28 Jun 12

monkeydog says...

This is too good to miss.
ksmain - the word ends in pocrisy.
jmc1 - you are confusing academic achievement with intelligence. Very often they are incompatible.
Merlin - great rant. Singer should be compulsory reading for infants as they are the only people with open minds receptive to new ideas. If they can't read, audio books should be used.
This is too good to miss. ksmain - the word ends in pocrisy. jmc1 - you are confusing academic achievement with intelligence. Very often they are incompatible. Merlin - great rant. Singer should be compulsory reading for infants as they are the only people with open minds receptive to new ideas. If they can't read, audio books should be used. monkeydog
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1:18pm Thu 28 Jun 12

jmc1 says...

monkeydog wrote:
This is too good to miss.
ksmain - the word ends in pocrisy.
jmc1 - you are confusing academic achievement with intelligence. Very often they are incompatible.
Merlin - great rant. Singer should be compulsory reading for infants as they are the only people with open minds receptive to new ideas. If they can't read, audio books should be used.
Ah the Guinness bottle brigade
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: This is too good to miss. ksmain - the word ends in pocrisy. jmc1 - you are confusing academic achievement with intelligence. Very often they are incompatible. Merlin - great rant. Singer should be compulsory reading for infants as they are the only people with open minds receptive to new ideas. If they can't read, audio books should be used.[/p][/quote]Ah the Guinness bottle brigade jmc1
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4:35pm Thu 28 Jun 12

Evidently Chickentown says...

Jello Biafra wrote:
And the calf that you carve with a smile Is MURDER And the turkey you festively slice Is MURDER Do you know how animals die ? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of MURDER It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savour the flavour Of MURDER
Brilliant. I love The Smiths. But I love a good steak too...
[quote][p][bold]Jello Biafra[/bold] wrote: And the calf that you carve with a smile Is MURDER And the turkey you festively slice Is MURDER Do you know how animals die ? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of MURDER It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savour the flavour Of MURDER[/p][/quote]Brilliant. I love The Smiths. But I love a good steak too... Evidently Chickentown
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4:58pm Thu 28 Jun 12

JamesYoung says...

Evidently Chickentown wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote: And the calf that you carve with a smile Is MURDER And the turkey you festively slice Is MURDER Do you know how animals die ? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of MURDER It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savour the flavour Of MURDER
Brilliant. I love The Smiths. But I love a good steak too...
Me too, the steak that is, not the Smiths. Much as I'm appalled by the effect of Merlins ego on climate change, at least he makes some attempt at arguing based on academic sources. I'm not sure views on morality should be formed based on pop lyrics. Meat is murder. It's unfortunate. But we are the only species that tries to deny itself a food source base on morality. Inhumane farming should be a concern to all meat eaters, but the fact is that while hunters in America survived for years on nothing but pemmican (dried meat and animal fat) without nutritional deficiencies, the vegetarian eating a non supplemented local diet will eventually become ill. Note the works local and non supplemented before trying to argue. In short, we function best as omnivores or carnivores. And yes, I've read the China Study and played with the (badly represented) statistics. And yes Okinawans used to live long lives cookin their vegetables in pork fat, but these days they are not doing so well. Unfortunately I'm not Mensa or FENSA material, so I'll leave Merlin to draw his own conclusions.
[quote][p][bold]Evidently Chickentown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jello Biafra[/bold] wrote: And the calf that you carve with a smile Is MURDER And the turkey you festively slice Is MURDER Do you know how animals die ? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of MURDER It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savour the flavour Of MURDER[/p][/quote]Brilliant. I love The Smiths. But I love a good steak too...[/p][/quote]Me too, the steak that is, not the Smiths. Much as I'm appalled by the effect of Merlins ego on climate change, at least he makes some attempt at arguing based on academic sources. I'm not sure views on morality should be formed based on pop lyrics. Meat is murder. It's unfortunate. But we are the only species that tries to deny itself a food source base on morality. Inhumane farming should be a concern to all meat eaters, but the fact is that while hunters in America survived for years on nothing but pemmican (dried meat and animal fat) without nutritional deficiencies, the vegetarian eating a non supplemented local diet will eventually become ill. Note the works local and non supplemented before trying to argue. In short, we function best as omnivores or carnivores. And yes, I've read the China Study and played with the (badly represented) statistics. And yes Okinawans used to live long lives cookin their vegetables in pork fat, but these days they are not doing so well. Unfortunately I'm not Mensa or FENSA material, so I'll leave Merlin to draw his own conclusions. JamesYoung
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9:07pm Thu 28 Jun 12

ksmain says...

monkeydog wrote:
This is too good to miss.
ksmain - the word ends in pocrisy.
jmc1 - you are confusing academic achievement with intelligence. Very often they are incompatible.
Merlin - great rant. Singer should be compulsory reading for infants as they are the only people with open minds receptive to new ideas. If they can't read, audio books should be used.
That is all it is - a rant. Obviously Merlin has found a forum for his political and philosophical posturing.

As for the spelling, no-one's perfect - are you?
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: This is too good to miss. ksmain - the word ends in pocrisy. jmc1 - you are confusing academic achievement with intelligence. Very often they are incompatible. Merlin - great rant. Singer should be compulsory reading for infants as they are the only people with open minds receptive to new ideas. If they can't read, audio books should be used.[/p][/quote]That is all it is - a rant. Obviously Merlin has found a forum for his political and philosophical posturing. As for the spelling, no-one's perfect - are you? ksmain
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11:35pm Thu 28 Jun 12

banknote says...

Merlin of Britain wrote:
In answer to question above, no, so far I have not posted anything under any other 'handle'. Secondly, what I said in an earlier post was not meant to imply that I have at ANY time belonged to MENSA - I haven't, although several people I've met have said I ought to consider joining, but I'm not really interested. Life's too short, and I now have only a little over --- months to go..
@ ksmain: I have a vastly different approach to hominid life than Prof. Singer - my view is that our vermin species has lost the right to be dignified with the term 'Animal'. It seems rather a shame to say this, given that probably at least .001% of us do not deserve it, but total annihilation of our species from the face of the Earth would be a REAL blessing to the planet. Many people I know call hominids (REAL Human Beings, you will recall, were murdered, swindled, robbed and raped in North Amerika by The Great Slime from Europe) by a variety of names, none of which are complimentary: cancer, pestilence, virus, scum, infestation.. but I expect you will get the general drift.
Is Merlin of Britain trying to prove that he is the most pompous and off-topic person on this blog?

The constant use of caps is exactly the same as shouting in a discussion and just as off-putting.
[quote][p][bold]Merlin of Britain[/bold] wrote: In answer to question above, no, so far I have not posted anything under any other 'handle'. Secondly, what I said in an earlier post was not meant to imply that I have at ANY time belonged to MENSA - I haven't, although several people I've met have said I ought to consider joining, but I'm not really interested. Life's too short, and I now have only a little over --- months to go.. @ ksmain: I have a vastly different approach to hominid life than Prof. Singer - my view is that our vermin species has lost the right to be dignified with the term 'Animal'. It seems rather a shame to say this, given that probably at least .001% of us do not deserve it, but total annihilation of our species from the face of the Earth would be a REAL blessing to the planet. Many people I know call hominids (REAL Human Beings, you will recall, were murdered, swindled, robbed and raped in North Amerika by The Great Slime from Europe) by a variety of names, none of which are complimentary: cancer, pestilence, virus, scum, infestation.. but I expect you will get the general drift.[/p][/quote]Is Merlin of Britain trying to prove that he is the most pompous and off-topic person on this blog? The constant use of caps is exactly the same as shouting in a discussion and just as off-putting. banknote
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12:37am Fri 29 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

As I pointed out earlier, I'm NOT a 'he'..!! At least, I certainly wasn't last time I looked..!! Upper case letters are NOT the same as shouting, despite widely-held belief on social websites that they are - they are used to put emphasis in the intended place, because these comment threads, and those on Facebook, do not have the facility to italicise, print bold or underline that one can utilise with emails. Meaning in a sentence is highly dependent upon 'stress' or 'emphasis', so one has to make do with whatever happens to be available. Were things otherwise, I would italicise the relevant words.
I realise it's a hell of a lot to read through, but if you could spare the time, you'd see that at the beginning of my comments I was on-topic. Then someone mentioned Prawns - from 'Nam, I think - and my response to that was followed by the usual snide comments from the unevolved, backward, knuckle-dragging brigade, who seem to think that they can't enjoy a meal or eat healthily unless other sentient beings (who want to live every bit as much as you do) die each time you dine.
I remember once seeing something that said "The pupil of the eye and the bigot are identical - the more light you shed on them, the more they contract." Only today I saw a post on FB that said: "The moron can only see as far as he can think..!!"
Anyway, my thanks to all of you unlettered critics for proving what I secretly believed all along - that words will get you nowhere, and least of all, I suspect, when you're swapping them with the ****-handed Sons of Toil. Just don't anyone dare say, when the game has finally run its course, that I made no attempt to show, by means of fair words, what is RIGHT..!! People cannot realistically expect to be treated any better than they treat The Others, and if you will not hear my words, believe me, there are those out there who will, and have done..
Don't bother sending me any replies to this - I'm disconnecting the Email link above. 'Bye-ee....!!
As I pointed out earlier, I'm NOT a 'he'..!! At least, I certainly wasn't last time I looked..!! Upper case letters are NOT the same as shouting, despite widely-held belief on social websites that they are - they are used to put emphasis in the intended place, because these comment threads, and those on Facebook, do not have the facility to italicise, print bold or underline that one can utilise with emails. Meaning in a sentence is highly dependent upon 'stress' or 'emphasis', so one has to make do with whatever happens to be available. Were things otherwise, I would italicise the relevant words. I realise it's a hell of a lot to read through, but if you could spare the time, you'd see that at the beginning of my comments I was on-topic. Then someone mentioned Prawns - from 'Nam, I think - and my response to that was followed by the usual snide comments from the unevolved, backward, knuckle-dragging brigade, who seem to think that they can't enjoy a meal or eat healthily unless other sentient beings (who want to live every bit as much as you do) die each time you dine. I remember once seeing something that said "The pupil of the eye and the bigot are identical - the more light you shed on them, the more they contract." Only today I saw a post on FB that said: "The moron can only see as far as he can think..!!" Anyway, my thanks to all of you unlettered critics for proving what I secretly believed all along - that words will get you nowhere, and least of all, I suspect, when you're swapping them with the ****-handed Sons of Toil. Just don't anyone dare say, when the game has finally run its course, that I made no attempt to show, by means of fair words, what is RIGHT..!! People cannot realistically expect to be treated any better than they treat The Others, and if you will not hear my words, believe me, there are those out there who will, and have done.. Don't bother sending me any replies to this - I'm disconnecting the Email link above. 'Bye-ee....!! Merlin of Britain
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12:44am Fri 29 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

Why did they put four asterisks in the post above?? My words were "****-handed"..!!
Why did they put four asterisks in the post above?? My words were "****-handed"..!! Merlin of Britain
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12:47am Fri 29 Jun 12

Merlin of Britain says...

Oh - **** it, it's done it again..!! Think of what a Cow has on her head - or ought to have - and add a 'y', which means, of course, "rough".. Bye again, possums..!!
Oh - **** it, it's done it again..!! Think of what a Cow has on her head - or ought to have - and add a 'y', which means, of course, "rough".. Bye again, possums..!! Merlin of Britain
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9:38am Fri 29 Jun 12

Jello Biafra says...

Triumph of the swill!!
Triumph of the swill!! Jello Biafra
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2:24pm Fri 29 Jun 12

JamesYoung says...

So Merlin is female and clearly quite self important.
I wonder which department at County Hall she works in?
So Merlin is female and clearly quite self important. I wonder which department at County Hall she works in? JamesYoung
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