Cannabis seized after officers in Dorchester ‘followed their noses’

First published in News

AROUND 50 cannabis plants were discovered after officers on foot patrol in Dorchester ‘followed their noses’.

Officers on duty in the town noticed a strong smell of cannabis coming from a flat when they were in London Road last Friday night at around 11.45pm.

They knocked on the door and were allowed to enter the premises by the occupants.

The officers discovered cannabis was being cultivated in the property and seized around 50 plants.

A 30-year-old man and a 25-year-old woman from the county town were arrested in connection with the drugs and cautioned.

Dorchester and Sherborne Neighbourhood Inspector Les Fry said: “This was an excellent piece of detection work. We will not tolerate drugs offences, and as this incident shows, we will proactively take action.

“I would encourage members of the public who have any knowledge or concerns about suspected drugs offences in their area to contact Dorset Police on 101.”

Insp Fry added further praise for the officers, saying: “They literally followed their noses, it was really good work.”

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11:45am Wed 5 Sep 12

deco1935 says...

And they got let off with a caution!!
It really is a joke. Penalise the poor old motorist for minor infringements of parking /bus lane transgressions etc. but let the drug growers carry on with impunity.
And they got let off with a caution!! It really is a joke. Penalise the poor old motorist for minor infringements of parking /bus lane transgressions etc. but let the drug growers carry on with impunity. deco1935
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12:01pm Wed 5 Sep 12

stench says...

deco1935 wrote:
And they got let off with a caution!! It really is a joke. Penalise the poor old motorist for minor infringements of parking /bus lane transgressions etc. but let the drug growers carry on with impunity.
drug growers?

When will the people wake up to the fact Cannabis is not a drug, just labelled as such by a government leading a pack of brain washed voids!

Using such lines as 'it's a gateway drug to heroin', rubbish!

I'd sooner sit at home with a spliff than go out to the dismal streets of Weymouth to drink...
[quote][p][bold]deco1935[/bold] wrote: And they got let off with a caution!! It really is a joke. Penalise the poor old motorist for minor infringements of parking /bus lane transgressions etc. but let the drug growers carry on with impunity.[/p][/quote]drug growers? When will the people wake up to the fact Cannabis is not a drug, just labelled as such by a government leading a pack of brain washed voids! Using such lines as 'it's a gateway drug to heroin', rubbish! I'd sooner sit at home with a spliff than go out to the dismal streets of Weymouth to drink... stench
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12:21pm Wed 5 Sep 12

shy talk says...

Does this mean now the sniffer dogs will be axed due to cuts in the police budgets? The pair being cautioned seems very light considering this is intent to supply.
Does this mean now the sniffer dogs will be axed due to cuts in the police budgets? The pair being cautioned seems very light considering this is intent to supply. shy talk
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1:50pm Wed 5 Sep 12

ManCityNo1 says...

Why is it intent to supply ? It does not mention anything about dealing !
The use and production of Cannabis needs to be legalised,this law is so outdated.
On the 27/7/2012 the British Medical Journal published a report showing that out of the top nineteen recreational drugs including Tobacco,Caffeine and Alcohol.Cannabis was the safest recreational drug known to man ! Alcohol came Fourth beaten by Meth Amphetamine,Heroin and Crack Cocaine !
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Why is it intent to supply ? It does not mention anything about dealing ! The use and production of Cannabis needs to be legalised,this law is so outdated. On the 27/7/2012 the British Medical Journal published a report showing that out of the top nineteen recreational drugs including Tobacco,Caffeine and Alcohol.Cannabis was the safest recreational drug known to man ! Alcohol came Fourth beaten by Meth Amphetamine,Heroin and Crack Cocaine ! http://bmjopen.bmj.c om/content/2/4/e0007 74.full These are Graphs from that report showing where each drug came. http://bmjopen.bmj.c om/content/2/4/e0007 74/F1.large.jpg http://bmjopen.bmj.c om/content/2/4/e0007 74/F2.large.jpg http://bmjopen.bmj.c om/content/2/4/e0007 74/F3.large.jpg ManCityNo1
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1:50pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Babs Stanley says...

We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the safest and most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.

CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told..
We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the safest and most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime. CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.. Babs Stanley
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2:08pm Wed 5 Sep 12

handytrim says...

At a time when out economy is flat-lining and we are continuing to cutback all our public services why are we wasting police time and taxpayers money going after someone growing 50 cannabis plants?

What exactly has it achieved in the grand scheme of things when we have large criminal grow operations growing thousands of plants undetected to provide the couple of tones of cannabis we as a nation consume every single day?

Our prohibitionist laws are completely ridiculous, useless and hypocritical. All they have helped to achieve is allow criminal operations to control these drugs and rake in billions while allowing many millions of peoples lives to be ruined, often by the justice system that is supposedly there to protect them!

Then we have ill informed bigots like @deco1935 who have been brainwashed by all the propaganda that has been fed to us for many years now. Often they forget that many millions of normal everyday people use any number of legal and illegal drugs on a regular basis and lead perfectly normal, happy lives. They are often bogged down with images of junkies lying around off their faces and associate all drug users as worthless scum. Wake up! Actually look into what you pass comment on and maybe you'll realise your prejudices are not justified.
At a time when out economy is flat-lining and we are continuing to cutback all our public services why are we wasting police time and taxpayers money going after someone growing 50 cannabis plants? What exactly has it achieved in the grand scheme of things when we have large criminal grow operations growing thousands of plants undetected to provide the couple of tones of cannabis we as a nation consume every single day? Our prohibitionist laws are completely ridiculous, useless and hypocritical. All they have helped to achieve is allow criminal operations to control these drugs and rake in billions while allowing many millions of peoples lives to be ruined, often by the justice system that is supposedly there to protect them! Then we have ill informed bigots like @deco1935 who have been brainwashed by all the propaganda that has been fed to us for many years now. Often they forget that many millions of normal everyday people use any number of legal and illegal drugs on a regular basis and lead perfectly normal, happy lives. They are often bogged down with images of junkies lying around off their faces and associate all drug users as worthless scum. Wake up! Actually look into what you pass comment on and maybe you'll realise your prejudices are not justified. handytrim
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2:48pm Wed 5 Sep 12

stench says...

loving the above comments :)

The biggest danger to cannabis users is losing a filling to a chew bar (Black Jacks are lethal), or being hit my the missus for spilling the bong on the carpet...
loving the above comments :) The biggest danger to cannabis users is losing a filling to a chew bar (Black Jacks are lethal), or being hit my the missus for spilling the bong on the carpet... stench
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3:30pm Wed 5 Sep 12

SuperSilverSourDiesel says...

Prohibition is not just ineffective, it creates more problems and dangers than the cannabis itself. Cannabis being illegal has nothing to do with how 'harmful' it is, as its safer than alcohol and tobacco by FAR.

"Narcotics police are an enormous, corrupt international bureaucracy... and now fund a coterie of researchers who provide them with 'scientific support'... fanatics who distort the legitimate research of others... The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies, undermining law enforcement, aggravating the drug problem, depriving the sick of needed help, and suckering well-intentioned conservatives and countless frightened parents."
- William F. Buckley

Cannabis is not harmless especially for children, thats why regulation is so desperately needed, as its easier for kids to get cannabis than alcohol and tobacco. However, adults can use cannabis safely and non problematically.

"By any of the major criteria of harm - mortality, morbidity, toxicity, addictiveness and relationship with crime - cannabis is less harmful than any of the other major illicit drugs, or than alcohol or tobacco."
- Report of the British Police Foundation March 2000

We need to take the control away from criminals. Bringing cannabis into a regulated market will see a decline in criminals selling it and children buying it. When a country regulates cannabis, drug use goes down and age of first use goes up. The amount of criminals selling it declines and taxation ensures a potential 9 billion per year. With out regulation, dealers sell to who ever what ever age, the only ID they need is money.
By handing the cannabis market to criminals, we are now in the worst case scenario, cannabis user or not.

"Complete prohibition of all chemical mind changers can be decreed, but cannot be enforced, and tends to create more evils than it cures."
- Aldous Huxley "Drugs That Shape Men's Minds," Saturday Evening Post 1958

Prohibition has always done the opposite of what its meant to. Its a failed experiment that is only kept alive by Greed, Cowardice, the power of the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies and of course personal prejudices. It being illegal has nothing to do with Expert advice, scientific evidence or our health and safety. Just say No to prohibition, it causes more harm than cannabis ever could.

"The lesson has already been learned with alcohol prohibition. We tried to engineer an alcohol-free society and ended up with huge criminal enterprises, government corruption, children lured into organized crime and random violence that took the lives of countless innocent people."
- Kurt Schmoke, Mayor of Baltimore
Prohibition is not just ineffective, it creates more problems and dangers than the cannabis itself. Cannabis being illegal has nothing to do with how 'harmful' it is, as its safer than alcohol and tobacco by FAR. "Narcotics police are an enormous, corrupt international bureaucracy... and now fund a coterie of researchers who provide them with 'scientific support'... fanatics who distort the legitimate research of others... The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies, undermining law enforcement, aggravating the drug problem, depriving the sick of needed help, and suckering well-intentioned conservatives and countless frightened parents." - William F. Buckley Cannabis is not harmless especially for children, thats why regulation is so desperately needed, as its easier for kids to get cannabis than alcohol and tobacco. However, adults can use cannabis safely and non problematically. "By any of the major criteria of harm - mortality, morbidity, toxicity, addictiveness and relationship with crime - cannabis is less harmful than any of the other major illicit drugs, or than alcohol or tobacco." - Report of the British Police Foundation March 2000 We need to take the control away from criminals. Bringing cannabis into a regulated market will see a decline in criminals selling it and children buying it. When a country regulates cannabis, drug use goes down and age of first use goes up. The amount of criminals selling it declines and taxation ensures a potential 9 billion per year. With out regulation, dealers sell to who ever what ever age, the only ID they need is money. By handing the cannabis market to criminals, we are now in the worst case scenario, cannabis user or not. "Complete prohibition of all chemical mind changers can be decreed, but cannot be enforced, and tends to create more evils than it cures." - Aldous Huxley "Drugs That Shape Men's Minds," Saturday Evening Post 1958 Prohibition has always done the opposite of what its meant to. Its a failed experiment that is only kept alive by Greed, Cowardice, the power of the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies and of course personal prejudices. It being illegal has nothing to do with Expert advice, scientific evidence or our health and safety. Just say No to prohibition, it causes more harm than cannabis ever could. "The lesson has already been learned with alcohol prohibition. We tried to engineer an alcohol-free society and ended up with huge criminal enterprises, government corruption, children lured into organized crime and random violence that took the lives of countless innocent people." - Kurt Schmoke, Mayor of Baltimore SuperSilverSourDiesel
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7:36pm Wed 5 Sep 12

deco1935 says...

Irrespective of what all you cannabis lovers think and the rude comments, the law of this land at the moment is that it is illegal to grow cannabis. If you wish to change the law then campaign for its abolition. The police have stated that they will not tolerate drug offences and then simply caution them. They do this to shoplifters (i.e thieves) as well. I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly,
Irrespective of what all you cannabis lovers think and the rude comments, the law of this land at the moment is that it is illegal to grow cannabis. If you wish to change the law then campaign for its abolition. The police have stated that they will not tolerate drug offences and then simply caution them. They do this to shoplifters (i.e thieves) as well. I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly, deco1935
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7:47pm Wed 5 Sep 12

SuperSilverSourDiesel says...

deco1935 wrote:
Irrespective of what all you cannabis lovers think and the rude comments, the law of this land at the moment is that it is illegal to grow cannabis. If you wish to change the law then campaign for its abolition. The police have stated that they will not tolerate drug offences and then simply caution them. They do this to shoplifters (i.e thieves) as well. I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly,
Yes thanks we know cannabis is illegal. However Growing your own is a victimless crime, unlike shoplifting.

''I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly''

Totally agree, police spending so much effort, time and tax payers money jailing people growing something safer than beer and cigarettes, when they could redirect their attention to murder, theft and rape.

Question to you - Do you think prohibition and the current drug policy works?
[quote][p][bold]deco1935[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of what all you cannabis lovers think and the rude comments, the law of this land at the moment is that it is illegal to grow cannabis. If you wish to change the law then campaign for its abolition. The police have stated that they will not tolerate drug offences and then simply caution them. They do this to shoplifters (i.e thieves) as well. I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly,[/p][/quote]Yes thanks we know cannabis is illegal. However Growing your own is a victimless crime, unlike shoplifting. ''I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly'' Totally agree, police spending so much effort, time and tax payers money jailing people growing something safer than beer and cigarettes, when they could redirect their attention to murder, theft and rape. Question to you - Do you think prohibition and the current drug policy works? SuperSilverSourDiesel
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9:32pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Bill Jenkins says...

deco1935 wrote:
Irrespective of what all you cannabis lovers think and the rude comments, the law of this land at the moment is that it is illegal to grow cannabis. If you wish to change the law then campaign for its abolition. The police have stated that they will not tolerate drug offences and then simply caution them. They do this to shoplifters (i.e thieves) as well. I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly,
I do wonder as to which misdemeanours you refer? Speeding? Driving whilst using a mobile phone? because these minor transgressions have led to the injury and death of innocent people. Whilst it is against the law growing and consuming a plant with no intention of selling to others is surely less harmful to society than these misdemeanours
[quote][p][bold]deco1935[/bold] wrote: Irrespective of what all you cannabis lovers think and the rude comments, the law of this land at the moment is that it is illegal to grow cannabis. If you wish to change the law then campaign for its abolition. The police have stated that they will not tolerate drug offences and then simply caution them. They do this to shoplifters (i.e thieves) as well. I am fed up with people being cautioned for criminal offences whilst misdemeanours of a lesser nature are pursued relentlessly,[/p][/quote]I do wonder as to which misdemeanours you refer? Speeding? Driving whilst using a mobile phone? because these minor transgressions have led to the injury and death of innocent people. Whilst it is against the law growing and consuming a plant with no intention of selling to others is surely less harmful to society than these misdemeanours Bill Jenkins
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9:17am Thu 6 Sep 12

malcolmkyle16 says...

We shall smoke to the end; we shall smoke in our homes; we shall smoke on the seas and oceans; we shall smoke with growing confidence, and growing strength, in the air; we shall defend God's gift whatever the cost may be; we shall smoke on the beaches; we shall smoke on collage grounds; we shall smoke in the fields and in the streets; we shall smoke in the hills. We shall never surrender our stash! and, even if, which I do not for a moment believe, we were to remain subjugated and persecuted by these evil corporations, then our enlightened friends beyond the seas would carry on the struggle, until in God's good time, the New World, with all its re-discovered hemp based power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old. - Winstone Hempchill
We shall smoke to the end; we shall smoke in our homes; we shall smoke on the seas and oceans; we shall smoke with growing confidence, and growing strength, in the air; we shall defend God's gift whatever the cost may be; we shall smoke on the beaches; we shall smoke on collage grounds; we shall smoke in the fields and in the streets; we shall smoke in the hills. We shall never surrender our stash! and, even if, which I do not for a moment believe, we were to remain subjugated and persecuted by these evil corporations, then our enlightened friends beyond the seas would carry on the struggle, until in God's good time, the New World, with all its re-discovered hemp based power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old. - Winstone Hempchill malcolmkyle16
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9:28am Thu 6 Sep 12

stench says...

malcolmkyle16 wrote:
We shall smoke to the end; we shall smoke in our homes; we shall smoke on the seas and oceans; we shall smoke with growing confidence, and growing strength, in the air; we shall defend God's gift whatever the cost may be; we shall smoke on the beaches; we shall smoke on collage grounds; we shall smoke in the fields and in the streets; we shall smoke in the hills. We shall never surrender our stash! and, even if, which I do not for a moment believe, we were to remain subjugated and persecuted by these evil corporations, then our enlightened friends beyond the seas would carry on the struggle, until in God's good time, the New World, with all its re-discovered hemp based power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old. - Winstone Hempchill
hahahahahaha :)
[quote][p][bold]malcolmkyle16[/bold] wrote: We shall smoke to the end; we shall smoke in our homes; we shall smoke on the seas and oceans; we shall smoke with growing confidence, and growing strength, in the air; we shall defend God's gift whatever the cost may be; we shall smoke on the beaches; we shall smoke on collage grounds; we shall smoke in the fields and in the streets; we shall smoke in the hills. We shall never surrender our stash! and, even if, which I do not for a moment believe, we were to remain subjugated and persecuted by these evil corporations, then our enlightened friends beyond the seas would carry on the struggle, until in God's good time, the New World, with all its re-discovered hemp based power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old. - Winstone Hempchill[/p][/quote]hahahahahaha :) stench
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11:28am Thu 6 Sep 12

Stranger says...

According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose.

Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs
According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose. Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs Stranger
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11:30am Thu 6 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

You only have to look at the history of Prohibition era America to realise the futility of what is happening. As for why the police only issued a caution, to me that suggests that they are doing their job as they are required to do but also recognise that marijuana probably does more for their crime figures than the police can achieve by ensuring that would be criminals are lying stoned in front of the telly.
You only have to look at the history of Prohibition era America to realise the futility of what is happening. As for why the police only issued a caution, to me that suggests that they are doing their job as they are required to do but also recognise that marijuana probably does more for their crime figures than the police can achieve by ensuring that would be criminals are lying stoned in front of the telly. JamesYoung
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11:56am Thu 6 Sep 12

Babs Stanley says...

Stranger wrote:
According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose.

Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs
You have this completely wrong I'm afraid.

The recent BMJ article showed cannabis as the least harmful substance of all with LSD and ecstasy more harmful and alcohol nearly the most harmful.

http://bmjopen.bmj.c
om/content/2/4/e0007
74.full

By the most conservative estimates alcohol is at least three times more harmful than cannabis and there are reasonable arguments that it is 100 times more harmful.

The crucial point though is that prohibition ALWAYS causes more harm than it prevents.
[quote][p][bold]Stranger[/bold] wrote: According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose. Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs[/p][/quote]You have this completely wrong I'm afraid. The recent BMJ article showed cannabis as the least harmful substance of all with LSD and ecstasy more harmful and alcohol nearly the most harmful. http://bmjopen.bmj.c om/content/2/4/e0007 74.full By the most conservative estimates alcohol is at least three times more harmful than cannabis and there are reasonable arguments that it is 100 times more harmful. The crucial point though is that prohibition ALWAYS causes more harm than it prevents. Babs Stanley
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12:57pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Stranger says...

Interestingly the report is based on answers in a questionnaire which again shows that of you ask certain people, you will get certain responses. With the greatest of respect, there is no hard evidence here just opinion
Interestingly the report is based on answers in a questionnaire which again shows that of you ask certain people, you will get certain responses. With the greatest of respect, there is no hard evidence here just opinion Stranger
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1:18pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Babs Stanley says...

Stranger wrote:
Interestingly the report is based on answers in a questionnaire which again shows that of you ask certain people, you will get certain responses. With the greatest of respect, there is no hard evidence here just opinion
It was you that cited that report to begin with.

If you want expert scientific evidence try:

http://www.sciencedi
rect.com/science/art
icle/pii/S0140673610
614626
[quote][p][bold]Stranger[/bold] wrote: Interestingly the report is based on answers in a questionnaire which again shows that of you ask certain people, you will get certain responses. With the greatest of respect, there is no hard evidence here just opinion[/p][/quote]It was you that cited that report to begin with. If you want expert scientific evidence try: http://www.sciencedi rect.com/science/art icle/pii/S0140673610 614626 Babs Stanley
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1:57pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Stranger says...

That appears to be opinion again... Unless during the "interactive workshop" the independent committee took said substances?
That appears to be opinion again... Unless during the "interactive workshop" the independent committee took said substances? Stranger
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2:11pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Babs Stanley says...

Stranger wrote:
That appears to be opinion again... Unless during the "interactive workshop" the independent committee took said substances?
It's expert evidence by scientists who aren't hiding behind a pseudonym ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Stranger[/bold] wrote: That appears to be opinion again... Unless during the "interactive workshop" the independent committee took said substances?[/p][/quote]It's expert evidence by scientists who aren't hiding behind a pseudonym ;-) Babs Stanley
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2:20pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Ex-Amb-Serv says...

Stop winging: It's classed as a drug and there are laws concerning it. If you don't like or wish to abide by the laws in this country, leave!
Stop winging: It's classed as a drug and there are laws concerning it. If you don't like or wish to abide by the laws in this country, leave! Ex-Amb-Serv
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2:35pm Thu 6 Sep 12

stench says...

shut up, roll a spliff and chill out!
shut up, roll a spliff and chill out! stench
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2:36pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Babs Stanley says...

Ex-Amb-Serv wrote:
Stop winging: It's classed as a drug and there are laws concerning it. If you don't like or wish to abide by the laws in this country, leave!
Tell that to the gay people who were criminalised, the women who were prevented from voting, the disabled people who were discriminated against!

This isn't the Soviet Union or the sort of totalitarian state that you seem to prefer. Polices that are are unjust, irrational, contradict scientific evidence and waste billions in taxpayers' money should be changed.

Nobody's "winging" or even whinging. In a democracy you campaign for change in many ways, one of which is using websites like this.

Get over it or you leave and go to the sort of totalitarian state you'd obviously prefer.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-Amb-Serv[/bold] wrote: Stop winging: It's classed as a drug and there are laws concerning it. If you don't like or wish to abide by the laws in this country, leave![/p][/quote]Tell that to the gay people who were criminalised, the women who were prevented from voting, the disabled people who were discriminated against! This isn't the Soviet Union or the sort of totalitarian state that you seem to prefer. Polices that are are unjust, irrational, contradict scientific evidence and waste billions in taxpayers' money should be changed. Nobody's "winging" or even whinging. In a democracy you campaign for change in many ways, one of which is using websites like this. Get over it or you leave and go to the sort of totalitarian state you'd obviously prefer. Babs Stanley
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2:36pm Thu 6 Sep 12

stench says...

Ex-Amb-Serv...

Show me the law that states I cannot smoke a spliff in my own home?
Ex-Amb-Serv... Show me the law that states I cannot smoke a spliff in my own home? stench
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2:46pm Thu 6 Sep 12

stench says...

and i find it odd, that in a country where it's tolerated (Netherlands), only 5% of people smoke it. Whereas a country like ours where it's illegal, that figure is much higher...

I remember this argument (Cannabis v Alcohol: www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=bCbDF-OPDX4
and i find it odd, that in a country where it's tolerated (Netherlands), only 5% of people smoke it. Whereas a country like ours where it's illegal, that figure is much higher... I remember this argument (Cannabis v Alcohol: www.youtube.com/watc h?v=bCbDF-OPDX4 stench
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2:53pm Thu 6 Sep 12

ManCityNo1 says...

@ Ex-Amb-Serv

The laws concerning Cannabis are unfit for purpose,and therefore shall be ignored !!!
@ Ex-Amb-Serv The laws concerning Cannabis are unfit for purpose,and therefore shall be ignored !!! ManCityNo1
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3:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

Stranger wrote:
According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose. Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs
I'm not a drug user and never have been but I do wonder what the implications of legalising all drugs would be.
Registered drug users could buy their hits at cost price (which I guess for heroin would be 50p a hit) from a chemist.
They would not need to steal, so crime would reduce. The drugs would be quality.
Organised crime would be demolished.
The same controls put around the purchase of alcohol and cigarettes would protect children.
Money would flow as tax revenues to HM Govt not to criminal gangs.
I've no idea how this would work in practice but Prohibition showed that illegality does not solve the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Stranger[/bold] wrote: According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose. Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs[/p][/quote]I'm not a drug user and never have been but I do wonder what the implications of legalising all drugs would be. Registered drug users could buy their hits at cost price (which I guess for heroin would be 50p a hit) from a chemist. They would not need to steal, so crime would reduce. The drugs would be quality. Organised crime would be demolished. The same controls put around the purchase of alcohol and cigarettes would protect children. Money would flow as tax revenues to HM Govt not to criminal gangs. I've no idea how this would work in practice but Prohibition showed that illegality does not solve the problem. JamesYoung
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3:56pm Thu 6 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

Good to read some sensible comments here anybody who is naive enough to believe that alcohol does less damage than smoking weed are either an alcholic in denial, thick and haven't lived and experienced life properly.
I'm afraid I hold no hope that commonsense in law making will ever prevail in this country as MPs do not bother listening to the electorate wishes so the silent masses will go on doing what they've done for decades. I'd much rather my children smoked pot than became an alcoholic it's a shame we live amoungest so many who believe what they are told rather than applying due diligence and researching the cold hard facts.
Good to read some sensible comments here anybody who is naive enough to believe that alcohol does less damage than smoking weed are either an alcholic in denial, thick and haven't lived and experienced life properly. I'm afraid I hold no hope that commonsense in law making will ever prevail in this country as MPs do not bother listening to the electorate wishes so the silent masses will go on doing what they've done for decades. I'd much rather my children smoked pot than became an alcoholic it's a shame we live amoungest so many who believe what they are told rather than applying due diligence and researching the cold hard facts. cj07589
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8:04pm Thu 6 Sep 12

SuperSilverSourDiesel says...

Stranger wrote:
According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose.

Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs
So your in favour of criminals controlling drugs with no regulation and quality control, as opposed to informed professionals selling lab tested cannabis in adult only licensed outlets?? Wow, sure your not a dealer? And you know prohibition keeps you paid and legal regulation may put you out of the job? Sorry I dislike drug dealers and children using drugs or becoming enticed by gangsterism, so i say NO to prohibition and NOW to legal regulation.
[quote][p][bold]Stranger[/bold] wrote: According to the UK medical journal, LSD and ecstasy are equally as harmful as cannabis and users are less dependant on them. Should we be pressing for their legalisation also? People can easilly become dependant on cannabis and if you look for it, you will find evidence to support both arguments. I do think it's important to study more closely the pain relief effects of cannabis and advance that further from a medicinal background. The legalisation of cannabis as a recreational drug should not be permitted as it serves no purpose. Alcohol is shown to be slightly more harmful than cannabis. We can all see the detrimental effect on society that "drug" is having. Imagine how much worse it would be if the government keeps legalising more and more "recreational" drugs[/p][/quote]So your in favour of criminals controlling drugs with no regulation and quality control, as opposed to informed professionals selling lab tested cannabis in adult only licensed outlets?? Wow, sure your not a dealer? And you know prohibition keeps you paid and legal regulation may put you out of the job? Sorry I dislike drug dealers and children using drugs or becoming enticed by gangsterism, so i say NO to prohibition and NOW to legal regulation. SuperSilverSourDiesel
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10:14pm Thu 6 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

I'm afraid its a case if closed minds prevail....glad the couple were cautioned their lives would have been ruined had they gone to prison. I'd much rather crass light finger scum burglars had the book thrown at them than a couple of chillaxed hippes seeking to sustain their habitual habit. Hope they get the support they need there are far worse things going on that need the focus of the law like unhinged pedophiles, MPs stealing from the public purse without adequate punishment, coruption in public office afterall the EU dictatorship can not even get the
accounts sign off... Give em a break a get some real criminals I say,
I'm afraid its a case if closed minds prevail....glad the couple were cautioned their lives would have been ruined had they gone to prison. I'd much rather crass light finger scum burglars had the book thrown at them than a couple of chillaxed hippes seeking to sustain their habitual habit. Hope they get the support they need there are far worse things going on that need the focus of the law like unhinged pedophiles, MPs stealing from the public purse without adequate punishment, coruption in public office afterall the EU dictatorship can not even get the accounts sign off... Give em a break a get some real criminals I say, cj07589
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11:04am Fri 7 Sep 12

scubadude says...

Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down.
Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.
Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down. Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do. scubadude
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12:28pm Fri 7 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

scubadude wrote:
Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down.
Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.
Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway.
I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away?
And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many.
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down. Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.[/p][/quote]Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway. I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away? And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many. JamesYoung
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2:50pm Fri 7 Sep 12

scubadude says...

JamesYoung wrote:
scubadude wrote:
Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down.
Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.
Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway.
I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away?
And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many.
According to Statistics most users consider smoking pot and driving similar to smoking tobacco and driving (ie- no negatives) whereas it is similar to driving while drunk- its the perception it is safe that is the problem.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down. Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.[/p][/quote]Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway. I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away? And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many.[/p][/quote]According to Statistics most users consider smoking pot and driving similar to smoking tobacco and driving (ie- no negatives) whereas it is similar to driving while drunk- its the perception it is safe that is the problem. scubadude
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5:10pm Fri 7 Sep 12

cj07589 says...

scubadude wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
scubadude wrote:
Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down.
Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.
Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway.
I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away?
And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many.
According to Statistics most users consider smoking pot and driving similar to smoking tobacco and driving (ie- no negatives) whereas it is similar to driving while drunk- its the perception it is safe that is the problem.
What a load of dis-information, what qualifications do you have to make such a generalised broad sweeping statement?? What because you read somewhere perhaps? Smoking tobacco can not be compared to the effects of cannabliss. Geeze if anything users under the influence are statistically less likely to speed and take risks which is the complete opposite effect of alcohol. If i ever had to choose I'd much rather be in a car with stoned driver than someone **** up. Please think before making such silly and unsubstantiated statements cause ure doing nobody any favours.
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down. Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.[/p][/quote]Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway. I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away? And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many.[/p][/quote]According to Statistics most users consider smoking pot and driving similar to smoking tobacco and driving (ie- no negatives) whereas it is similar to driving while drunk- its the perception it is safe that is the problem.[/p][/quote]What a load of dis-information, what qualifications do you have to make such a generalised broad sweeping statement?? What because you read somewhere perhaps? Smoking tobacco can not be compared to the effects of cannabliss. Geeze if anything users under the influence are statistically less likely to speed and take risks which is the complete opposite effect of alcohol. If i ever had to choose I'd much rather be in a car with stoned driver than someone **** up. Please think before making such silly and unsubstantiated statements cause ure doing nobody any favours. cj07589
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5:20pm Fri 7 Sep 12

SuperSilverSourDiesel says...

scubadude wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
scubadude wrote:
Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down.
Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.
Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway.
I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away?
And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many.
According to Statistics most users consider smoking pot and driving similar to smoking tobacco and driving (ie- no negatives) whereas it is similar to driving while drunk- its the perception it is safe that is the problem.
A test was done to see if cannabis effects driving, sober compared to high. The test subject done better a little stoned, that sober.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=l5C0xdwbg
_4

Tests aside, your confusing two different crimes, (possession and driving under the influence) if legalised people driving under the influence will be dealt with accordingly, like drunk driving. Most accidents are caused by alcohol users when driving. If cannabis was regulated users would have some idea of the THC CBD content and if its an indica or sativa. I know a few smokers who can drive no problem at all, because they smoke a specific strain of cannabis and it doesnt impair their driving. Same cannot be said for all, but its true that being under the influence of alcohol while driving is MUCH worse than being stoned and driving. Also, you have to ask yourself (substance aside) Who is the type of person to drive intoxicated anyway? Also what about legal cannabis? Should people prescribed sativex be banned from driving? Then again its completely legal to drive while high on legal medicine, even though the effects are much worse than cannabis.
[quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scubadude[/bold] wrote: Grass might be no more dangerous than alcohol but idiots on either still drive, give it to minors and behave like idiots when under the influence- who cares whether it does harm to them? Its the harm they cause others thats the issue. I'm £1000's down after some fool drove into my parked car high as a kite with no insurance of course... I've met him since and when off the pot he is rational and can drive, on it he is a danger- yet he still drives around the twon we live smoking up a storm while your kids and familys walk the street ready to be mown down. Smoke if you like- no one cares if you kill yourself (ditto- drink yourself to liver failure) just stay away from the rest of us while you do.[/p][/quote]Thats a fair comment but the majority of pot smokers probably don't drive while under the influence and people like this fellow would probably otherwise drink and drive anyway. I think it is fair to offset the damage that one driver can do with the damage inflicted on society by a large number of addicts stealing to fund their habits and the criminal underworld that supply the drugs. Am i alone in thinking that if it was legalised, many of these issues would go away? And a mandatory prison sentence for anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs while driving would deter many.[/p][/quote]According to Statistics most users consider smoking pot and driving similar to smoking tobacco and driving (ie- no negatives) whereas it is similar to driving while drunk- its the perception it is safe that is the problem.[/p][/quote]A test was done to see if cannabis effects driving, sober compared to high. The test subject done better a little stoned, that sober. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=l5C0xdwbg _4 Tests aside, your confusing two different crimes, (possession and driving under the influence) if legalised people driving under the influence will be dealt with accordingly, like drunk driving. Most accidents are caused by alcohol users when driving. If cannabis was regulated users would have some idea of the THC CBD content and if its an indica or sativa. I know a few smokers who can drive no problem at all, because they smoke a specific strain of cannabis and it doesnt impair their driving. Same cannot be said for all, but its true that being under the influence of alcohol while driving is MUCH worse than being stoned and driving. Also, you have to ask yourself (substance aside) Who is the type of person to drive intoxicated anyway? Also what about legal cannabis? Should people prescribed sativex be banned from driving? Then again its completely legal to drive while high on legal medicine, even though the effects are much worse than cannabis. SuperSilverSourDiesel
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8:51pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Stranger says...

I think you will find driving under the influence of any drug legal or otherwise is an offence

I'm all for investigating medical benefits of cannabis and legalising that. Provide it in tablet form etc. I still fail to see why something that is dangerous (may well be less so than alcohol, but dangerous never the less) should be legalised, just because some people like using it...
I think you will find driving under the influence of any drug legal or otherwise is an offence I'm all for investigating medical benefits of cannabis and legalising that. Provide it in tablet form etc. I still fail to see why something that is dangerous (may well be less so than alcohol, but dangerous never the less) should be legalised, just because some people like using it... Stranger
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9:57pm Fri 7 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

Stranger wrote:
I think you will find driving under the influence of any drug legal or otherwise is an offence

I'm all for investigating medical benefits of cannabis and legalising that. Provide it in tablet form etc. I still fail to see why something that is dangerous (may well be less so than alcohol, but dangerous never the less) should be legalised, just because some people like using it...
But hang on, if it is less addictive and less dangerous than alcohol or smoking.....why wouldn't you legalise it? Why does it need to be illegal? Why do we spend so much money and police time enforcing a law against something that, because it is illegal, deprives the government of possible tax revenues, while creating a market for criminal gangs?
[quote][p][bold]Stranger[/bold] wrote: I think you will find driving under the influence of any drug legal or otherwise is an offence I'm all for investigating medical benefits of cannabis and legalising that. Provide it in tablet form etc. I still fail to see why something that is dangerous (may well be less so than alcohol, but dangerous never the less) should be legalised, just because some people like using it...[/p][/quote]But hang on, if it is less addictive and less dangerous than alcohol or smoking.....why wouldn't you legalise it? Why does it need to be illegal? Why do we spend so much money and police time enforcing a law against something that, because it is illegal, deprives the government of possible tax revenues, while creating a market for criminal gangs? JamesYoung
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10:32pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Babs Stanley says...

Stranger wrote:
I think you will find driving under the influence of any drug legal or otherwise is an offence

I'm all for investigating medical benefits of cannabis and legalising that. Provide it in tablet form etc. I still fail to see why something that is dangerous (may well be less so than alcohol, but dangerous never the less) should be legalised, just because some people like using it...
Please think it through!

The demand exists. We know it has for at least 5000 years. It's not going away.

If you prohibit something the price goes up. If you go harder on enforcement the price goes up higher.

The higher the price the nastier the people who get involved.

So you crack down harder.

And the price goes higher.

Are you beginning to get the idea?

So if we tax it and regulate it strictly it won't eliminate all the harms but it will minimise them.

It's common sense.
[quote][p][bold]Stranger[/bold] wrote: I think you will find driving under the influence of any drug legal or otherwise is an offence I'm all for investigating medical benefits of cannabis and legalising that. Provide it in tablet form etc. I still fail to see why something that is dangerous (may well be less so than alcohol, but dangerous never the less) should be legalised, just because some people like using it...[/p][/quote]Please think it through! The demand exists. We know it has for at least 5000 years. It's not going away. If you prohibit something the price goes up. If you go harder on enforcement the price goes up higher. The higher the price the nastier the people who get involved. So you crack down harder. And the price goes higher. Are you beginning to get the idea? So if we tax it and regulate it strictly it won't eliminate all the harms but it will minimise them. It's common sense. Babs Stanley
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7:42am Sat 8 Sep 12

sundayexpat says...

Personally i'm in favour of the legalisation of cannabis but I have to say I have become increasingly exasperated by the nature of the arguments that are coming from the pro-camp. We need to stop basing our arguments on assertion, questionable science and innaccurate paralells with prohibition and respect the opinions of the the 'anti' camp so that we can present arguments they can engage with. Calling someone 'brainwashed', 'ignorant' or 'a bigot' is not going to change their opinion, and cannabis will not be legalised until the opinion of middle england changes.

This may be from a humour site but it makes some very interesting points.
http://www.cracked.c
om/blog/5-pro-mariju
ana-arguments-that-a
rent-helping/
Personally i'm in favour of the legalisation of cannabis but I have to say I have become increasingly exasperated by the nature of the arguments that are coming from the pro-camp. We need to stop basing our arguments on assertion, questionable science and innaccurate paralells with prohibition and respect the opinions of the the 'anti' camp so that we can present arguments they can engage with. Calling someone 'brainwashed', 'ignorant' or 'a bigot' is not going to change their opinion, and cannabis will not be legalised until the opinion of middle england changes. This may be from a humour site but it makes some very interesting points. http://www.cracked.c om/blog/5-pro-mariju ana-arguments-that-a rent-helping/ sundayexpat
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10:13am Sat 8 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

sundayexpat wrote:
Personally i'm in favour of the legalisation of cannabis but I have to say I have become increasingly exasperated by the nature of the arguments that are coming from the pro-camp. We need to stop basing our arguments on assertion, questionable science and innaccurate paralells with prohibition and respect the opinions of the the 'anti' camp so that we can present arguments they can engage with. Calling someone 'brainwashed', 'ignorant' or 'a bigot' is not going to change their opinion, and cannabis will not be legalised until the opinion of middle england changes.

This may be from a humour site but it makes some very interesting points.
http://www.cracked.c

om/blog/5-pro-mariju

ana-arguments-that-a

rent-helping/
You make a good point about Middle England. This law exists only fr a political reason - the party that votes through legalisation would lose the conservative (small "c") vote.
[quote][p][bold]sundayexpat[/bold] wrote: Personally i'm in favour of the legalisation of cannabis but I have to say I have become increasingly exasperated by the nature of the arguments that are coming from the pro-camp. We need to stop basing our arguments on assertion, questionable science and innaccurate paralells with prohibition and respect the opinions of the the 'anti' camp so that we can present arguments they can engage with. Calling someone 'brainwashed', 'ignorant' or 'a bigot' is not going to change their opinion, and cannabis will not be legalised until the opinion of middle england changes. This may be from a humour site but it makes some very interesting points. http://www.cracked.c om/blog/5-pro-mariju ana-arguments-that-a rent-helping/[/p][/quote]You make a good point about Middle England. This law exists only fr a political reason - the party that votes through legalisation would lose the conservative (small "c") vote. JamesYoung
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6:49pm Sun 9 Sep 12

whatever66 says...

legalise it and regulate where you can buy it from, like in amsterdam. would stop all the backstreet dealing, as for the crime i have never heard or seen a smoker cause fights go robbing for there pot plus all the benefits from pot like lowered blood pressure, pain relief, and even cures there is some interesting facts on u tube like the benefits from cannabis oil and how it can cure some cancers, The reason the pharmacuticals dont sell it or want it is it can not be patterend or messed around with such as asperin and paracetamol and the rest of the crap they mix with do research before you judge old people are now starting to use prefering it to the medicines there doctors prescribe why ???? cause the cannabis gives them more benefits are they villians now ?????? i hope not .
legalise it and regulate where you can buy it from, like in amsterdam. would stop all the backstreet dealing, as for the crime i have never heard or seen a smoker cause fights go robbing for there pot plus all the benefits from pot like lowered blood pressure, pain relief, and even cures there is some interesting facts on u tube like the benefits from cannabis oil and how it can cure some cancers, The reason the pharmacuticals dont sell it or want it is it can not be patterend or messed around with such as asperin and paracetamol and the rest of the crap they mix with do research before you judge old people are now starting to use prefering it to the medicines there doctors prescribe why ???? cause the cannabis gives them more benefits are they villians now ?????? i hope not . whatever66
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