War of words over failure of Weymouth Bayside Festival during Olympics

Dorset Echo: THE SHOW IS OVER: Police at the entrance to the Bayside Festival after it was closed THE SHOW IS OVER: Police at the entrance to the Bayside Festival after it was closed

A BLAME game row has erupted over who was responsible for the failure of the Weymouth Bayside Festival, which closed with debts of more than £800,000.

The festival village had been part of the attractions in Weymouth during the Olympic fortnight and was shut down after a week with organisers blaming poor visitor numbers.

Now a war of words has broken out over who was responsible with festival organisers Mainsail Ltd, which has gone into liquidation, laying the blame of the event’s collapse at the door of Weymouth and Portland Borough Council claiming lower than expected visitor numbers to the area was a major reason the event folded.

The council has hit back, stating Olympic visitor number estimates came from research by organisations.

It said Mainsail decided to charge people and closed the day before an estimated 100,000 visitors came to the resort for a weekend of sailing medal races, including ‘super sailing Sunday’ when Ben Ainslie won his fourth historic gold medal.

It comes as it is revealed administrators for the liquidation of Mainsail Ltd have published the director’s estimate of what the company owes as £804,895.

Of this Weymouth and Portland Borough Council is owed £97,000 for the development of the festival area – a car park Weymouth Pavilion – and rent.

Other creditors include traders, entertainers, staff, employee claims, advanced ticket sales, trade and expense accounts and a bank.

The festival, which included music, displays and food, set up to coincide with 2012 sailing events, closed 10 days prematurely on August 3.

The company went into liquidation on August 30, and as part of the liquidation process the administrators Portland Business and Financial Solutions Ltd produced a report on Mainsail’s affairs and creditors.

In a director’s report, Mainsail managing director Joe Hall said he had been told by the borough council they expected visitor numbers of 50,000 a day and they intended to attract 10 per cent of those.

Figures were reassessed following research commissioned by the Olympic Delivery Authority in May 2012 stated they expected 60,000 visitors for most days, 90,000 on four days and 117,000 in the middle weekend. Mr Hall said these forecasted numbers had a ‘direct impact’ on the costs associated with Bayside as it meant they needed extra toilets, security staff and visitor management.

Mr Hall said the Bayside business model was based on the two ‘key drivers’, first that there would be enough people coming to Weymouth and second that they would be willing to pay to enter the site. In the first few days the festival was attracting just over a third of its 9,000 capacity. When the visitors ‘did not materialise’ he spoke to the borough council and LOCOG on August 1 to request financial support to allow the festival to continue until the end of the Olympics , but he said: “Unfortunately both parties were unable to provide any further support.”

He added that other factors like negative transport messages warning of possible transport problems and a hike in the price of the park and rides ‘may have put people off coming’.

Mr Hall attributed Mainsail’s failure to the following reasons: “The costs associated with building the infrastructure based on the increased expected footfall provided by Weymouth and Portland Borough Council.

“The dramatically lower attendance to the Weymouth area during the Olympic fortnight than estimated by the borough council and other organisations, resulting in an inability to recover costs.”

He added: “I never doubted the forecasted attendance figures and due to the nature of the event there was no possibility of a ‘Plan B’ should they not materialise.”

Administrators Portland Business and Financial Solutions Ltd said that the liquidation process was underway and they would be looking at the assets and creditors to Mainsail Ltd.

Case manager Stewart Goldsmith said the director’s estimate of company liabilities came to £804,895. He said: “Until the work of liquidation is underway and certain assets are realised, it’s difficult to say how much will be recouped, if at all.”

COUNCIL HITS BACK

BOROUGH council bosses have hit back stating they never gave guarantees of visitor numbers during the Olympics.

Chief Executive of Weymouth and Portland Borough Council David Clarke , left, said the borough council took ‘no role in operating the Bayside Festival or the decision to end it early’.

He added the borough council had not received any rent for the site and was pursuing the legal process for the £97,000 which it was owed.

Mr Clarke said: “Figures of as many as 60,000 visitors to Weymouth and Portland were based on the estimate of approximately 30,000 staying visitors in the area, together with planning by the Olympic Delivery Authority for additional park and ride facilities for up to a potential 30,000 day visitors.”

He said this was based on research carried out by Transport for London and the Olympic Delivery Authority to help plan for the delivery of the Games, including transport and crowd management and evacuation planning.

He added: “No guarantees of visitor number were, or indeed could be given.”

He added that Mainsail and not the borough council decided on the ‘scale and scope’ of the festival and Mainsail changed the operation from the originally proposed ‘free to enter’ site to a paid for attraction.

Mr Clarke said: “Mainsail made the decision themselves to close the site, the very day before there were an estimated 100,000 visitors in the town over the weekend.”

Mr Clarke added promotional assistance had been given to Bayside but that financial help would have been ‘inappropriate’.

Mr Clarke added that it had ‘always’ been known that the number of visitors per day to the Nothe was only 4,600 and there was ‘no certainty’ about the number of general day visitors that might come for the Games.

He said: “The plans of the council, other public agencies and the emergency services demonstrated our preparedness by the delivery of a very successful games and the estimated visitor numbers were used in preparing these successful plans.”

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12:55pm Sat 15 Sep 12

rad21 says...

Didn't anybody consider the possibility that if you spend months telling people that there will be dreadful travel problems and that there is a risk of being blown up by terrorists that a lot of people will immediately be put off. Add to this the fact that a) Weymouth was host to the most anti-spectator Olympic events of the lot with just some people bobbing around in boats enjoying themselves somewhere out at sea, b) the inevitable fact that many local businesses (especially the festival site) would try and rip you off, c) the emergency services had taken over one of the biggest camp sites denying holidaymakers the use of the site and d) the fact that it is a seaside town and is virtually totally reliant on the sunshine and the forecasts were awful - wasn't it any wonder that numbers would be down?
Didn't anybody consider the possibility that if you spend months telling people that there will be dreadful travel problems and that there is a risk of being blown up by terrorists that a lot of people will immediately be put off. Add to this the fact that a) Weymouth was host to the most anti-spectator Olympic events of the lot with just some people bobbing around in boats enjoying themselves somewhere out at sea, b) the inevitable fact that many local businesses (especially the festival site) would try and rip you off, c) the emergency services had taken over one of the biggest camp sites denying holidaymakers the use of the site and d) the fact that it is a seaside town and is virtually totally reliant on the sunshine and the forecasts were awful - wasn't it any wonder that numbers would be down? rad21
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1:16pm Sat 15 Sep 12

LB5 says...

So the Council have lost £97,000 of public money. I guess the Council tax will be going up soon then....
So the Council have lost £97,000 of public money. I guess the Council tax will be going up soon then.... LB5
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1:48pm Sat 15 Sep 12

ijwufo68 says...

The only one's to blame are the LOCOG, Olympic Delivery Authority for the B-S they came out with, and closeing the roads (waste of time).
The only one's to blame are the LOCOG, Olympic Delivery Authority for the B-S they came out with, and closeing the roads (waste of time). ijwufo68
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2:45pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Presstostop says...

£7,797,000.00 - Thats the amount that Weymouth and Portland Council have lost the taxpayers this year, this includes loss of Condor's revenue. I'm waiting for the sound of rolling heads but I don't hold out much hope.
£7,797,000.00 - Thats the amount that Weymouth and Portland Council have lost the taxpayers this year, this includes loss of Condor's revenue. I'm waiting for the sound of rolling heads but I don't hold out much hope. Presstostop
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2:49pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Chesilmaster says...

The same company that folded mainsail, then operated at the IOW festival under taylor events..
Made some money there!
The same company that folded mainsail, then operated at the IOW festival under taylor events.. Made some money there! Chesilmaster
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3:12pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Hotelgirl says...

For anyone who brought tickets and is still out of pocket.
I got my moeny back by going on The Martin Lewis Website and going on a article called Visa Debit Chargeback- where if you have paid by debit card you write to your bank to ask them to get the money back through the suppliers bank - there is a template letter to fill in to send on site - you just need to send proof as well that you purcahse tickets and that the site closed ( echo article ) by money was refunded a week after i sent letter - don't suppose they got any back from mainsale bank but my bank refunded me while they invesigate probably as a bank gesture of goodwill - try it
For anyone who brought tickets and is still out of pocket. I got my moeny back by going on The Martin Lewis Website and going on a article called Visa Debit Chargeback- where if you have paid by debit card you write to your bank to ask them to get the money back through the suppliers bank - there is a template letter to fill in to send on site - you just need to send proof as well that you purcahse tickets and that the site closed ( echo article ) by money was refunded a week after i sent letter - don't suppose they got any back from mainsale bank but my bank refunded me while they invesigate probably as a bank gesture of goodwill - try it Hotelgirl
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3:41pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Wykeite says...

I bet these numpty councillors are not so blasé with their personal rental properties! Reckless and irresponsible spring to mind.
I bet these numpty councillors are not so blasé with their personal rental properties! Reckless and irresponsible spring to mind. Wykeite
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4:45pm Sat 15 Sep 12

malckam says...

"for additional park and ride facilities for up to a potential 30,000 day visitors"

explains it all,

WPBC have no concept of "potential"
"for additional park and ride facilities for up to a potential 30,000 day visitors" explains it all, WPBC have no concept of "potential" malckam
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6:20pm Sat 15 Sep 12

John New says...

Lots of mistakes made, mostly by Locog in estimated visitor numbers, and the evidence for that **** up is slowly emerging in press stories like this one However I do wish people would read these stories properly before posting. For example WPBC are clearly a victim here just the same as Bayside through the lost ground rent, they didn't hike the P&R prices, etc., etc., but despite that WPBC are still, wrongly, getting the blame.
Lots of mistakes made, mostly by Locog in estimated visitor numbers, and the evidence for that **** up is slowly emerging in press stories like this one However I do wish people would read these stories properly before posting. For example WPBC are clearly a victim here just the same as Bayside through the lost ground rent, they didn't hike the P&R prices, etc., etc., but despite that WPBC are still, wrongly, getting the blame. John New
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7:28pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Iona says...

Wykeite wrote:
I bet these numpty councillors are not so blasé with their personal rental properties! Reckless and irresponsible spring to mind.
The councillors as a whole (a few exceptions) know nothing about financial risk, business and investment(their expertise is getting votes from us). They rely entirely on what the officers (salaried employees) say. Those officers include financial specialists. However, even they are not expert in a free market world but rely on others being expert, diligent and honest such as LOCOG and Mainsail. It seems they made a mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Wykeite[/bold] wrote: I bet these numpty councillors are not so blasé with their personal rental properties! Reckless and irresponsible spring to mind.[/p][/quote]The councillors as a whole (a few exceptions) know nothing about financial risk, business and investment(their expertise is getting votes from us). They rely entirely on what the officers (salaried employees) say. Those officers include financial specialists. However, even they are not expert in a free market world but rely on others being expert, diligent and honest such as LOCOG and Mainsail. It seems they made a mistake. Iona
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7:37pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Dylanfan says...

friends and family living and working abroad have told me that all they saw reported by the UK national and local press was how bad everything would be in Weymouth during the Olympics. Maybe the moaners and doom mongers had something to do with putting people off? Can't see how the road signs could have been to blame, people would have had to come here to see them. Final thought, the Olympics are absolutely not about providing an opportunity for commerce to make a killing. People come to watch the sport, not to go shopping.
friends and family living and working abroad have told me that all they saw reported by the UK national and local press was how bad everything would be in Weymouth during the Olympics. Maybe the moaners and doom mongers had something to do with putting people off? Can't see how the road signs could have been to blame, people would have had to come here to see them. Final thought, the Olympics are absolutely not about providing an opportunity for commerce to make a killing. People come to watch the sport, not to go shopping. Dylanfan
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7:38pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Crabber says...

I have a mate who lives in Wales and he came dwon for a festival that wes being held alonside the Olympric and he was telling me that when one crossed the Severn Bridge on the English side were those large Illuminated Trailer Warning Signs and they were saying DELAYS EXPECTED IN DORSET DUE TO THE OLYMPIC SAILING EVENTS,Apparently these were also on display just outside London,Birmingham and also on the M27 / M3. So there is wher I think the Initial blame should lay. But I agree with the amount of Money and some of the Crap decisions that they have made the Councillors should resign enbloc. Or We the People should vote them out next time around
I have a mate who lives in Wales and he came dwon for a festival that wes being held alonside the Olympric and he was telling me that when one crossed the Severn Bridge on the English side were those large Illuminated Trailer Warning Signs and they were saying DELAYS EXPECTED IN DORSET DUE TO THE OLYMPIC SAILING EVENTS,Apparently these were also on display just outside London,Birmingham and also on the M27 / M3. So there is wher I think the Initial blame should lay. But I agree with the amount of Money and some of the Crap decisions that they have made the Councillors should resign enbloc. Or We the People should vote them out next time around Crabber
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7:58pm Sat 15 Sep 12

ferdy505 says...

So you all don't feel bad. The same thing happened in East London as well. This is one of a few articles. http://www.guardian-
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So you all don't feel bad. The same thing happened in East London as well. This is one of a few articles. http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/your_lo cal_areas/9865249.LE YTON__Contractors_ro w_with_council_over_ _disastrous__Olympic _market/ ferdy505
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8:07pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Iona says...

The mistake that I can not understand was the over estimate of the numbers coming to Weymouth and their impact. Weymouth coped perfectly well with the tall ships race in 1994 - that was a real spectator event. Every fine bank holiday weekend, Weymouth in inundated yet copes OK. On a good summer bank holiday I reckon we must have over 50,000 visitors. Why was there fear that we would not cope? It would have been better to announce that we couldn't cope if it proved so - it would be only day trippers that would have had to change plans at the last minute. The whole risk management of the visitor numbers was abysmally managed.
The mistake that I can not understand was the over estimate of the numbers coming to Weymouth and their impact. Weymouth coped perfectly well with the tall ships race in 1994 - that was a real spectator event. Every fine bank holiday weekend, Weymouth in inundated yet copes OK. On a good summer bank holiday I reckon we must have over 50,000 visitors. Why was there fear that we would not cope? It would have been better to announce that we couldn't cope if it proved so - it would be only day trippers that would have had to change plans at the last minute. The whole risk management of the visitor numbers was abysmally managed. Iona
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8:36pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Dylanfan says...

Not really convinced that Weymouth and Portland councillors are to blame for signs at the Severn Bridge and on motorways around the country. The signs warning of delays into London and other Olympic venues didn't seem to make people stay away from events held there. Seems that they didn't put Crabber's mate off from coming to Weymouth either. Every time I went to Weymouth during the Olympics and Paralympics, and incidently, today, the place was crowded. Maybe the moaners and doom mongers should consider why what was initially a free event, turned into a paid event. Could it be that the decision to impose an entrance fee to see tribute bands and buy things might be the real reason for this commercial venture failing? I really can't see any reason why the ratepayer should be expected in any way to bail out this unfortnate commercial enterprise. Lastly, following the closure of the Bayside Festival, the last minute idea, with support from WPBC, to charge just £1 to see decent bands in the Pavilion was a fantastic success, and real enterprise at work!
Not really convinced that Weymouth and Portland councillors are to blame for signs at the Severn Bridge and on motorways around the country. The signs warning of delays into London and other Olympic venues didn't seem to make people stay away from events held there. Seems that they didn't put Crabber's mate off from coming to Weymouth either. Every time I went to Weymouth during the Olympics and Paralympics, and incidently, today, the place was crowded. Maybe the moaners and doom mongers should consider why what was initially a free event, turned into a paid event. Could it be that the decision to impose an entrance fee to see tribute bands and buy things might be the real reason for this commercial venture failing? I really can't see any reason why the ratepayer should be expected in any way to bail out this unfortnate commercial enterprise. Lastly, following the closure of the Bayside Festival, the last minute idea, with support from WPBC, to charge just £1 to see decent bands in the Pavilion was a fantastic success, and real enterprise at work! Dylanfan
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9:03pm Sat 15 Sep 12

JamesYoung says...

Dylanfan wrote:
friends and family living and working abroad have told me that all they saw reported by the UK national and local press was how bad everything would be in Weymouth during the Olympics. Maybe the moaners and doom mongers had something to do with putting people off? Can't see how the road signs could have been to blame, people would have had to come here to see them. Final thought, the Olympics are absolutely not about providing an opportunity for commerce to make a killing. People come to watch the sport, not to go shopping.
Or maybe the "moaners" and "doom mongers" we're actually those who were right and are struggling hard not to say we told you so. Don't forget, many of the "moaning" comments on here referenced past experiences and academic research to point out that the event was being hyped for all it was worth. No other sailing events at other Olympics attracted more than 10% of the numbers these idiots predicted.
We told you so.
[quote][p][bold]Dylanfan[/bold] wrote: friends and family living and working abroad have told me that all they saw reported by the UK national and local press was how bad everything would be in Weymouth during the Olympics. Maybe the moaners and doom mongers had something to do with putting people off? Can't see how the road signs could have been to blame, people would have had to come here to see them. Final thought, the Olympics are absolutely not about providing an opportunity for commerce to make a killing. People come to watch the sport, not to go shopping.[/p][/quote]Or maybe the "moaners" and "doom mongers" we're actually those who were right and are struggling hard not to say we told you so. Don't forget, many of the "moaning" comments on here referenced past experiences and academic research to point out that the event was being hyped for all it was worth. No other sailing events at other Olympics attracted more than 10% of the numbers these idiots predicted. We told you so. JamesYoung
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9:23pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Dylanfan says...

What was so disasterous about the Olympic sailing events? I saw a lot of very excited people having a very good time. Question - If it was already known that only 10% of numbers predicted by the "idiots"would turn up, why didn't the "clever" people scale their expectations for their commercial enterprises appropriately?
What was so disasterous about the Olympic sailing events? I saw a lot of very excited people having a very good time. Question - If it was already known that only 10% of numbers predicted by the "idiots"would turn up, why didn't the "clever" people scale their expectations for their commercial enterprises appropriately? Dylanfan
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9:23pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Get a grip says...

Who let Mainsail on site without paying the rent first?

Whoever it was should loss their job.
Who let Mainsail on site without paying the rent first? Whoever it was should loss their job. Get a grip
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9:45pm Sat 15 Sep 12

wessex-andy says...

Didn't the doom and gloom merchants predict failure months before the Olympics?

Luckily, we were in many instances proved to be wrong. In this case we just happened to be correct.

The failure of the Bayside Festival can't really be blamed on our council, who were in fact trying to earn us some income from the Olympics.

The attendance figures were produced by Lord Coe and his cohorts, so they should take the blame for that part of the ****-up.

However, the lions share of the blame should go to Mainsail Ltd., who were sucker enough to believe the figures. It isn't possible to go so far into debt without a huge amount of mismanagement starting many months beforehand. They must have known how much they were spending and I fail to see why it happened to be this single event that incurred all those debts. I would imagine that their biggest expense in Weymouth would be the rent for the site (which they haven't paid). As a general rule the stallholders, etc., would have paid their rent to Mainsail Ltd before setting up, probably months in advance, so the income from the event should have started rolling in well before any bills started to come in.
Didn't the doom and gloom merchants predict failure months before the Olympics? Luckily, we were in many instances proved to be wrong. In this case we just happened to be correct. The failure of the Bayside Festival can't really be blamed on our council, who were in fact trying to earn us some income from the Olympics. The attendance figures were produced by Lord Coe and his cohorts, so they should take the blame for that part of the ****-up. However, the lions share of the blame should go to Mainsail Ltd., who were sucker enough to believe the figures. It isn't possible to go so far into debt without a huge amount of mismanagement starting many months beforehand. They must have known how much they were spending and I fail to see why it happened to be this single event that incurred all those debts. I would imagine that their biggest expense in Weymouth would be the rent for the site (which they haven't paid). As a general rule the stallholders, etc., would have paid their rent to Mainsail Ltd before setting up, probably months in advance, so the income from the event should have started rolling in well before any bills started to come in. wessex-andy
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10:07pm Sat 15 Sep 12

portland rebel says...

overall the olympics ran well and the weather wasnt to bad but i have just got to say it......told you so, when all the talk started about the number of visitors i said from the begining that their would be no more than an average summers day, and in fact apart from the 5,000 at the nothe there was what 3,000 on the beach site.
sailing is by definition not a spectator sport, and is a minority sport.
i would just like to thank our local council and councillors for wasting all our yes our money on their ego trips.
overall the olympics ran well and the weather wasnt to bad but i have just got to say it......told you so, when all the talk started about the number of visitors i said from the begining that their would be no more than an average summers day, and in fact apart from the 5,000 at the nothe there was what 3,000 on the beach site. sailing is by definition not a spectator sport, and is a minority sport. i would just like to thank our local council and councillors for wasting all our yes our money on their ego trips. portland rebel
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10:36pm Sat 15 Sep 12

Dylanfan says...

Nobody seems to have noticed that Weymouth features in a major television advertising campaign for an international corporation because of the Olympics. Let's stop the "I told you so" nonsense and encourage people to visit Weymouth, and Dorset, in the future by saying and showing the world what a great place it actually is. And - let's show some support for the people who have helped put Weymouth on the international map. Just an observation -I seem to recall it being said loudly that the Weymouth relief road would be a disaster and a waste of money. It isn't.
Nobody seems to have noticed that Weymouth features in a major television advertising campaign for an international corporation because of the Olympics. Let's stop the "I told you so" nonsense and encourage people to visit Weymouth, and Dorset, in the future by saying and showing the world what a great place it actually is. And - let's show some support for the people who have helped put Weymouth on the international map. Just an observation -I seem to recall it being said loudly that the Weymouth relief road would be a disaster and a waste of money. It isn't. Dylanfan
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2:59am Sun 16 Sep 12

Iona says...

It is not as simple as doom gloom or glory ...

Ran the Olympics effectively - success

Won many medals - success

Local business made lots of money - mixed experience

Experienced major disruption over the past couple of years - yes

Lasting infrastructure improvements - do you like the taffic lights in Weymouth, will the other stadia and centres earn back there cost - doubt it on the whole but we will see.

Put Weymouth more firmly on the tourism map - we will see

Bring in new non-tourism business to Weymouth - we will see

Just add more criteria...

The fact is that in many cases we do not yet know the benefit though we have seen most of the costs. Certainly the public purse is unlikely to show a profit in the next few years. A few well placed businesses and individuals will undoubtedly do brilliantly.

As far as getting it right or wrong, I'd say our council has been like a feather in the olympic breeze.
It is not as simple as doom gloom or glory ... Ran the Olympics effectively - success Won many medals - success Local business made lots of money - mixed experience Experienced major disruption over the past couple of years - yes Lasting infrastructure improvements - do you like the taffic lights in Weymouth, will the other stadia and centres earn back there cost - doubt it on the whole but we will see. Put Weymouth more firmly on the tourism map - we will see Bring in new non-tourism business to Weymouth - we will see Just add more criteria... The fact is that in many cases we do not yet know the benefit though we have seen most of the costs. Certainly the public purse is unlikely to show a profit in the next few years. A few well placed businesses and individuals will undoubtedly do brilliantly. As far as getting it right or wrong, I'd say our council has been like a feather in the olympic breeze. Iona
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8:18am Sun 16 Sep 12

Mo471 says...

I think Mainsail close a week to early as the crowds pour into Weymouth when the medals started to be presented. This was due to more TV coverage.
Just to add my holiday letting is full for next August already with lots of bookings coming from spin off of the Olympics. Well done Weymouth
I think Mainsail close a week to early as the crowds pour into Weymouth when the medals started to be presented. This was due to more TV coverage. Just to add my holiday letting is full for next August already with lots of bookings coming from spin off of the Olympics. Well done Weymouth Mo471
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9:07am Sun 16 Sep 12

Phaedrus says...

Hate to defend LOCOG on this but they had to plan for maximum visitors. However I'd bet their research was all desk-based no genuine survey work. As to WPBC, they were greedy, £97,000 outstanding, I hope they got some prepayment, but the figures just do not add up except on the most optimistic forecast.
Hate to defend LOCOG on this but they had to plan for maximum visitors. However I'd bet their research was all desk-based no genuine survey work. As to WPBC, they were greedy, £97,000 outstanding, I hope they got some prepayment, but the figures just do not add up except on the most optimistic forecast. Phaedrus
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11:50am Sun 16 Sep 12

ducatiwidow says...

In an effort to show willing and support the town, I went along to the festival site. i had read in the echo that the entry fee had been reduced to £1 for adults whilst children went free. We were told the same thing when we arrived and then we were charged for 3 of the children to get in because they were over 7 years old. Since when did over 7s get classed as adults I wonder? it seemed churlish to quibble over 3 quid, so we paid up. Weymouth / Dorset council staff were doing a sterling job entertaining the kids with lots of free craft activities, likewise the Royal Marines had a climbing wall that the kids could use for free. Everything else had to be paid for - the fair ground rides were naff and not remotely exciting for the older kids, the tribute bands were OK, but again not really what the kids wanted to see, and the food although nice was a hugely expensive way to feed a family. The stalls were overpriced expensive things aimed at the higher paid yachties and once again not much for the kids. if I had paid the original entry price of a tenner per adult (including any child over 7!) I would have felt seriously ripped off. On the other hand, the free sports site on the beach was fantastic and I only wish it could have run all summer as the children had so much fun trying all the different sports. We spent several very happy days there. I hope to see this opportunity for the children again soon
In an effort to show willing and support the town, I went along to the festival site. i had read in the echo that the entry fee had been reduced to £1 for adults whilst children went free. We were told the same thing when we arrived and then we were charged for 3 of the children to get in because they were over 7 years old. Since when did over 7s get classed as adults I wonder? it seemed churlish to quibble over 3 quid, so we paid up. Weymouth / Dorset council staff were doing a sterling job entertaining the kids with lots of free craft activities, likewise the Royal Marines had a climbing wall that the kids could use for free. Everything else had to be paid for - the fair ground rides were naff and not remotely exciting for the older kids, the tribute bands were OK, but again not really what the kids wanted to see, and the food although nice was a hugely expensive way to feed a family. The stalls were overpriced expensive things aimed at the higher paid yachties and once again not much for the kids. if I had paid the original entry price of a tenner per adult (including any child over 7!) I would have felt seriously ripped off. On the other hand, the free sports site on the beach was fantastic and I only wish it could have run all summer as the children had so much fun trying all the different sports. We spent several very happy days there. I hope to see this opportunity for the children again soon ducatiwidow
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12:08pm Sun 16 Sep 12

portlandboy says...

Simple fact is that ALL parties involved believed what they were told - just like they ALL wanted everyone else to do. But the majority of the public could foresee that things were not going to be as promised.
Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to have given the local community more credit and not treated us as backward bumpkins who had little idea what we were talking about.
Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to apologise to the community for their ignorance and lack of consideration towards us all.
Simple fact is that ALL parties involved believed what they were told - just like they ALL wanted everyone else to do. But the majority of the public could foresee that things were not going to be as promised. Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to have given the local community more credit and not treated us as backward bumpkins who had little idea what we were talking about. Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to apologise to the community for their ignorance and lack of consideration towards us all. portlandboy
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12:49pm Sun 16 Sep 12

gattens11 says...

Weymouth Portland ,looked wonderfull on my television in Manchester,i am sure there are future benifits which are not yet tangible. Sailing in my opinion, does not lend its self ,as a spectator sport ,may be why so few turned up.I enjoyed whatching the events .well done Weymouth Portland . As a visiting Grocle of 40years,see you next year.
Weymouth Portland ,looked wonderfull on my television in Manchester,i am sure there are future benifits which are not yet tangible. Sailing in my opinion, does not lend its self ,as a spectator sport ,may be why so few turned up.I enjoyed whatching the events .well done Weymouth Portland . As a visiting Grocle of 40years,see you next year. gattens11
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1:11pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Dylanfan says...

I don't get this argument. Weymouth got to host the Olympics! The sailing events got excellent coverage on TV and on every other form of media. Let's big up Weymouth for the sake of our young people. Think ahead!
I don't get this argument. Weymouth got to host the Olympics! The sailing events got excellent coverage on TV and on every other form of media. Let's big up Weymouth for the sake of our young people. Think ahead! Dylanfan
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2:35pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Fred Kite says...

Another financial fiasco by the unaccountable and unelected.
Another financial fiasco by the unaccountable and unelected. Fred Kite
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2:35pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Fred Kite says...

Another financial fiasco by the unaccountable and unelected.
Another financial fiasco by the unaccountable and unelected. Fred Kite
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4:50pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Phaedrus says...

Yes the Olympics went off really well, yes it was great that we hosted them and Weymouth and Portland looked really good. None of that is any guarantee of any benefit to most of our local businesses. Visit England is running good promotions in many countries but I beg to doubt that this will help us much, we are above all a domestic tourism destination and those who stayed away in 2012 will have to be won back. Are our county and borough tourism departments really aware of how important this is and are they actually doing anything about it? I suspect they are just doing the same as usual and assuming there will be an Olympic legacy.
Yes the Olympics went off really well, yes it was great that we hosted them and Weymouth and Portland looked really good. None of that is any guarantee of any benefit to most of our local businesses. Visit England is running good promotions in many countries but I beg to doubt that this will help us much, we are above all a domestic tourism destination and those who stayed away in 2012 will have to be won back. Are our county and borough tourism departments really aware of how important this is and are they actually doing anything about it? I suspect they are just doing the same as usual and assuming there will be an Olympic legacy. Phaedrus
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6:24pm Sun 16 Sep 12

portland rebel says...

portlandboy wrote:
Simple fact is that ALL parties involved believed what they were told - just like they ALL wanted everyone else to do. But the majority of the public could foresee that things were not going to be as promised.
Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to have given the local community more credit and not treated us as backward bumpkins who had little idea what we were talking about.
Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to apologise to the community for their ignorance and lack of consideration towards us all.
here here, but they wont because they are to arrogant for that.
[quote][p][bold]portlandboy[/bold] wrote: Simple fact is that ALL parties involved believed what they were told - just like they ALL wanted everyone else to do. But the majority of the public could foresee that things were not going to be as promised. Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to have given the local community more credit and not treated us as backward bumpkins who had little idea what we were talking about. Maybe LOCOG and the council ought to apologise to the community for their ignorance and lack of consideration towards us all.[/p][/quote]here here, but they wont because they are to arrogant for that. portland rebel
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7:48pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Leccy says...

Lets look at this in simple terms.

Traders= Weymouth/Portland Markets, no one pays to get in!

Tribute bands= can be seen in most local pubs, no one pays to get in!

Olympics= Chancers think they can mak a mint out of anyone who wants to come and visit!

Conclusion= In these time of hardship people are not stupid and won't be taken for fools, take in on the chin and admit you got it wrong Mainsail!!
Lets look at this in simple terms. Traders= Weymouth/Portland Markets, no one pays to get in! Tribute bands= can be seen in most local pubs, no one pays to get in! Olympics= Chancers think they can mak a mint out of anyone who wants to come and visit! Conclusion= In these time of hardship people are not stupid and won't be taken for fools, take in on the chin and admit you got it wrong Mainsail!! Leccy
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1:04am Mon 17 Sep 12

EtaoinShrdlu says...

If you want to get to the bottom of this fiasco follow the brown envelopes . . .
And the old saying is still true: "Dorset born and Dorset bred, strong in the arm and thick in the head." Too many experts and consultants and researchers as per usual, none of whom will ever admit any liability. Ah well, sit back now and wait for all the Olympic-related costs to pop up before the next rating review.
If you want to get to the bottom of this fiasco follow the brown envelopes . . . And the old saying is still true: "Dorset born and Dorset bred, strong in the arm and thick in the head." Too many experts and consultants and researchers as per usual, none of whom will ever admit any liability. Ah well, sit back now and wait for all the Olympic-related costs to pop up before the next rating review. EtaoinShrdlu
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9:14am Mon 17 Sep 12

goodoldecho says...

Leccy wrote:
Lets look at this in simple terms.

Traders= Weymouth/Portland Markets, no one pays to get in!

Tribute bands= can be seen in most local pubs, no one pays to get in!

Olympics= Chancers think they can mak a mint out of anyone who wants to come and visit!

Conclusion= In these time of hardship people are not stupid and won't be taken for fools, take in on the chin and admit you got it wrong Mainsail!!
Excellent point - did anyone stop and think that perhaps the festival just wasn't very good?
[quote][p][bold]Leccy[/bold] wrote: Lets look at this in simple terms. Traders= Weymouth/Portland Markets, no one pays to get in! Tribute bands= can be seen in most local pubs, no one pays to get in! Olympics= Chancers think they can mak a mint out of anyone who wants to come and visit! Conclusion= In these time of hardship people are not stupid and won't be taken for fools, take in on the chin and admit you got it wrong Mainsail!![/p][/quote]Excellent point - did anyone stop and think that perhaps the festival just wasn't very good? goodoldecho
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1:04pm Mon 17 Sep 12

tarka says...

Instead of Mainsail Ltd relying on the information from other organizations and sources perhaps they should have got off their backsides and conducted their own market research other companies do.

Am I missing something here? Mainsail Ltd state they were told to expect 50,000 people a day and of that they thought they could attract 10% (5,000 at £10 a head = £50,000 a day) they owe over £800,00 so if everything went as planned it would have taken 16 days just to cover their present level of dept and they folded after 7 days. There financial dept must be depriving a village of its idiot.

Also could it be that the word got around very quickly that it was rubbish and a rip off.
Instead of Mainsail Ltd relying on the information from other organizations and sources perhaps they should have got off their backsides and conducted their own market research other companies do. Am I missing something here? Mainsail Ltd state they were told to expect 50,000 people a day and of that they thought they could attract 10% (5,000 at £10 a head = £50,000 a day) they owe over £800,00 so if everything went as planned it would have taken 16 days just to cover their present level of dept and they folded after 7 days. There financial dept must be depriving a village of its idiot. Also could it be that the word got around very quickly that it was rubbish and a rip off. tarka
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2:03pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Weyexile says...

Dylanfan wrote:
Nobody seems to have noticed that Weymouth features in a major television advertising campaign for an international corporation because of the Olympics. Let's stop the "I told you so" nonsense and encourage people to visit Weymouth, and Dorset, in the future by saying and showing the world what a great place it actually is. And - let's show some support for the people who have helped put Weymouth on the international map. Just an observation -I seem to recall it being said loudly that the Weymouth relief road would be a disaster and a waste of money. It isn't.
I agree with the positive words from Dylanfan. See the last 6 weeks as potential, not another opportunity to spout more negative comments.
[quote][p][bold]Dylanfan[/bold] wrote: Nobody seems to have noticed that Weymouth features in a major television advertising campaign for an international corporation because of the Olympics. Let's stop the "I told you so" nonsense and encourage people to visit Weymouth, and Dorset, in the future by saying and showing the world what a great place it actually is. And - let's show some support for the people who have helped put Weymouth on the international map. Just an observation -I seem to recall it being said loudly that the Weymouth relief road would be a disaster and a waste of money. It isn't.[/p][/quote]I agree with the positive words from Dylanfan. See the last 6 weeks as potential, not another opportunity to spout more negative comments. Weyexile
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3:51pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Big Marv says...

One thing that seems to be missing from the report is how the Local bands all came together to play in the Pavillion after the Bayside festival closed.

Now although this was terrific fun for all the bands involved, the thorny issue of money comes up again.

All the bands that played were promised "Expenses" for playing the Pavillion, and from what I've heard from speaking to several of the bands that played, NONE of them recieved any form of remuneration for their time and talent, not even a free drink for the bands!
One thing that seems to be missing from the report is how the Local bands all came together to play in the Pavillion after the Bayside festival closed. Now although this was terrific fun for all the bands involved, the thorny issue of money comes up again. All the bands that played were promised "Expenses" for playing the Pavillion, and from what I've heard from speaking to several of the bands that played, NONE of them recieved any form of remuneration for their time and talent, not even a free drink for the bands! Big Marv
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4:15pm Mon 17 Sep 12

portlandboy says...

Big Marv wrote:
One thing that seems to be missing from the report is how the Local bands all came together to play in the Pavillion after the Bayside festival closed.

Now although this was terrific fun for all the bands involved, the thorny issue of money comes up again.

All the bands that played were promised "Expenses" for playing the Pavillion, and from what I've heard from speaking to several of the bands that played, NONE of them recieved any form of remuneration for their time and talent, not even a free drink for the bands!
If, as you state, 'expenses' were offered, that would simply be 14p per mile public travel allowance and any other 'out of pocket' costs such as damage to instruments etc. All of these expenses would need to be put on the official claim form, so that nobody could accuse the council of 'back-handers' (as if!!)
Payment for their time or talent would be a 'fee' or 'wage', neither of which were mentioned.
However, a free drink souldn't have been too much to offer. I know that plenty of local 'names' get them there anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Big Marv[/bold] wrote: One thing that seems to be missing from the report is how the Local bands all came together to play in the Pavillion after the Bayside festival closed. Now although this was terrific fun for all the bands involved, the thorny issue of money comes up again. All the bands that played were promised "Expenses" for playing the Pavillion, and from what I've heard from speaking to several of the bands that played, NONE of them recieved any form of remuneration for their time and talent, not even a free drink for the bands![/p][/quote]If, as you state, 'expenses' were offered, that would simply be 14p per mile public travel allowance and any other 'out of pocket' costs such as damage to instruments etc. All of these expenses would need to be put on the official claim form, so that nobody could accuse the council of 'back-handers' (as if!!) Payment for their time or talent would be a 'fee' or 'wage', neither of which were mentioned. However, a free drink souldn't have been too much to offer. I know that plenty of local 'names' get them there anyway. portlandboy
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5:29pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Big Marv says...

Expenses were most definitely offered, because I was there. Regardless of whatever rates, etc, it still stinks that none were paid.

If the bands were told up front, that this was a gig to help out the town and sorry we haven't got any money, then that's fine, but to be offered monies and then for it not to be paid or get any sort of feedback is just p**s poor.
Expenses were most definitely offered, because I was there. Regardless of whatever rates, etc, it still stinks that none were paid. If the bands were told up front, that this was a gig to help out the town and sorry we haven't got any money, then that's fine, but to be offered monies and then for it not to be paid or get any sort of feedback is just p**s poor. Big Marv
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6:46pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Desk24 says...

''Ill sit on ma erse watchin Oylmpics on TV cause to many folk just da ma heed in. A heard there chargin 7 quid for a burger, see you Jimmy, dae ya think im I'm a stupid plonker?
''Ill sit on ma erse watchin Oylmpics on TV cause to many folk just da ma heed in. A heard there chargin 7 quid for a burger, see you Jimmy, dae ya think im I'm a stupid plonker? Desk24
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8:04pm Mon 17 Sep 12

portlandboy says...

Big Marv wrote:
Expenses were most definitely offered, because I was there. Regardless of whatever rates, etc, it still stinks that none were paid.

If the bands were told up front, that this was a gig to help out the town and sorry we haven't got any money, then that's fine, but to be offered monies and then for it not to be paid or get any sort of feedback is just p**s poor.
My point is that expenses don't just appear from nowhere, those who were promised them should get a form and request them. How do the council know how much it cost each band to get to the Pavilion unless they are given a figure? Until they put it on the correct form, nothing will be paid - that's how it works.
WPBC only send random amounts of money in envelopes to certain people and although that involves fiddles, music doesn't come into it
[quote][p][bold]Big Marv[/bold] wrote: Expenses were most definitely offered, because I was there. Regardless of whatever rates, etc, it still stinks that none were paid. If the bands were told up front, that this was a gig to help out the town and sorry we haven't got any money, then that's fine, but to be offered monies and then for it not to be paid or get any sort of feedback is just p**s poor.[/p][/quote]My point is that expenses don't just appear from nowhere, those who were promised them should get a form and request them. How do the council know how much it cost each band to get to the Pavilion unless they are given a figure? Until they put it on the correct form, nothing will be paid - that's how it works. WPBC only send random amounts of money in envelopes to certain people and although that involves fiddles, music doesn't come into it portlandboy
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10:18pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Merrittpr says...

Not this old chestnut again, here are my words of wisdom....

I cannot believe that the council did not take money up front for the rental of the Bayside site!! Muppets, if they had they would not have to pursue the unpaid rent!! Anyone who rents a property puts down one months rent as a deposit so the landlord does not get fleeced over unpaid rent.

The festival site was naff, poor and overpriced attractions. A cheek to charge admission for sure.

I loved watching the sailing at the Nothe on the rocks, totally free and totally enjoyable sitting with mates in the sunshine watching unfold in front of my eyes.

Very poor that the bands that played in the Pavillion were not offered the very basics of free drinks seeing as they were helping out big time.

Finally, this is all history, it's never going to happen again and the roads are here to stay. I love the relief road I can get round the back of town beautifully and have another way back from Dorchester.

Finally, but for sure this time, the free events on the beach were brilliant with massive visitor numbers. Volleyball and sailing, kayaking, windsurfing etc all well organised and great fun. Than ks to whoever organised this. Perhaps you should have been a LOCOG advisor....
Not this old chestnut again, here are my words of wisdom.... I cannot believe that the council did not take money up front for the rental of the Bayside site!! Muppets, if they had they would not have to pursue the unpaid rent!! Anyone who rents a property puts down one months rent as a deposit so the landlord does not get fleeced over unpaid rent. The festival site was naff, poor and overpriced attractions. A cheek to charge admission for sure. I loved watching the sailing at the Nothe on the rocks, totally free and totally enjoyable sitting with mates in the sunshine watching unfold in front of my eyes. Very poor that the bands that played in the Pavillion were not offered the very basics of free drinks seeing as they were helping out big time. Finally, this is all history, it's never going to happen again and the roads are here to stay. I love the relief road I can get round the back of town beautifully and have another way back from Dorchester. Finally, but for sure this time, the free events on the beach were brilliant with massive visitor numbers. Volleyball and sailing, kayaking, windsurfing etc all well organised and great fun. Than ks to whoever organised this. Perhaps you should have been a LOCOG advisor.... Merrittpr
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10:20pm Mon 17 Sep 12

pd7 says...

A lot of people saw the event as a cash cow waiting to happen .

For me the PR was a disaster from local Dorset , they screwed up big style .

The legacy a total disaster of a roundabout at camford bottom .

It was a once in a lifetime event .... wasted and never to return .

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A lot of people saw the event as a cash cow waiting to happen . For me the PR was a disaster from local Dorset , they screwed up big style . The legacy a total disaster of a roundabout at camford bottom . It was a once in a lifetime event .... wasted and never to return . . pd7
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8:50am Tue 18 Sep 12

Atilla says...

goodoldecho wrote:
Leccy wrote:
Lets look at this in simple terms.

Traders= Weymouth/Portland Markets, no one pays to get in!

Tribute bands= can be seen in most local pubs, no one pays to get in!

Olympics= Chancers think they can mak a mint out of anyone who wants to come and visit!

Conclusion= In these time of hardship people are not stupid and won't be taken for fools, take in on the chin and admit you got it wrong Mainsail!!
Excellent point - did anyone stop and think that perhaps the festival just wasn't very good?
My wife and I attended the festival when the admission charge had been reduced to £1. What we got for our money was the Royal Marines band jazz quartet which was excellent, a collection of overpriced food and merchandise stalls and drank very expensive white wine served in a plastic glass. Had we paid any more I would have definately felt ripped off!
[quote][p][bold]goodoldecho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leccy[/bold] wrote: Lets look at this in simple terms. Traders= Weymouth/Portland Markets, no one pays to get in! Tribute bands= can be seen in most local pubs, no one pays to get in! Olympics= Chancers think they can mak a mint out of anyone who wants to come and visit! Conclusion= In these time of hardship people are not stupid and won't be taken for fools, take in on the chin and admit you got it wrong Mainsail!![/p][/quote]Excellent point - did anyone stop and think that perhaps the festival just wasn't very good?[/p][/quote]My wife and I attended the festival when the admission charge had been reduced to £1. What we got for our money was the Royal Marines band jazz quartet which was excellent, a collection of overpriced food and merchandise stalls and drank very expensive white wine served in a plastic glass. Had we paid any more I would have definately felt ripped off! Atilla
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12:27pm Tue 18 Sep 12

sundayexpat says...

The only people who are responsible for the failure of the Bayside festival are the organisers.
Regardless of how many visitors were predicted for the olympics, whether it was 100 or 100'000, if you are running any private enterprise it is your responsibility to get people through the door and no one elses.
Unfortunately Mainsail failed on a number of points.
1)Advertising - Where was it? If they wanted olympic visitors why didn't they advertise in london or the national press?
2) Acts: Local bands in Wey are great and certainly should have been involved but if you want a USP you need someone with a much higher pedigree than Chesney Hawks or a Micheal Buble tribute. Especially if you want out of town visitors to stay till 10 to see a headliner.
3)Cost: No ones going to spend £10 a day over the course of 2 weeks to see the same bands they get in the pub for free.
It's a real pity that this festival failed as I really think an annual music festival would bring alot to weymouth, especially if the organisers had the forsight to combine it with a performing arts/food festival.
It was stupid of the council not to get the rent up front but the failure of the festival is Mainsail's c**k up and no one elses.
The only people who are responsible for the failure of the Bayside festival are the organisers. Regardless of how many visitors were predicted for the olympics, whether it was 100 or 100'000, if you are running any private enterprise it is your responsibility to get people through the door and no one elses. Unfortunately Mainsail failed on a number of points. 1)Advertising - Where was it? If they wanted olympic visitors why didn't they advertise in london or the national press? 2) Acts: Local bands in Wey are great and certainly should have been involved but if you want a USP you need someone with a much higher pedigree than Chesney Hawks or a Micheal Buble tribute. Especially if you want out of town visitors to stay till 10 to see a headliner. 3)Cost: No ones going to spend £10 a day over the course of 2 weeks to see the same bands they get in the pub for free. It's a real pity that this festival failed as I really think an annual music festival would bring alot to weymouth, especially if the organisers had the forsight to combine it with a performing arts/food festival. It was stupid of the council not to get the rent up front but the failure of the festival is Mainsail's c**k up and no one elses. sundayexpat
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1:32pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Big Marv says...

Portlandboy, how many local pub cover bands do you know who actually indulge in paperwork and red tape?

The local bands that were arranged were all contacted at the 11th hour, were told what was happening, and that they would be paid for their services. If the council wanted a papertrail, they should have had a representative at the Pavillion to sort it out with each band as they came in to play, not just given out empty promises, which is the point I am making.
Portlandboy, how many local pub cover bands do you know who actually indulge in paperwork and red tape? The local bands that were arranged were all contacted at the 11th hour, were told what was happening, and that they would be paid for their services. If the council wanted a papertrail, they should have had a representative at the Pavillion to sort it out with each band as they came in to play, not just given out empty promises, which is the point I am making. Big Marv
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